u think baleog better than lasvoss
#vanguard familiars need to change
stoic elm
just accept ur goat isnt top1
stoic elm
guy with balrog copes about not having lasvoss
i dont want that bum
takes way too much investment
honest vortex
as expected
honest vortex
In 2 days be ready.
im not 1v1ing u on monday kid
turbid ravine
when we're talking about peak
Didnt know pokemon Alpha sapphire and Omega ruby were spelled like that
turbid ravine
im not 1v1ing u on monday kid
Noob
stoic elm
Didnt know pokemon Alpha sapphire and Omega ruby were spelled like that
bakugan better anyways
turbid ravine
Admit ur defeat alr
turbid ravine
bakugan better anyways
😂😂😂😂😂
stoic elm
stop getting automodded like a bum
stoic elm
why are we LYING
honest vortex
U're nto smrta
turbid ravine
U're nto smrta
Son
cold ridge
actual truth nuke
all the hard content they implemented fell flat because they paired it with annoying debuffs that invalidated half the meta units in the game or added smthn interactive that required your full attention (cid raid)
cold ridge
all the hard content they implemented fell flat because they paired it with anno...
the sjw dungeon is the perfect example of hard content done right
it never annoyed me
it's still decently challenging to this day if ur doing it solo
rifts are good too
i also think that
midnight brook
when ppl started complaining about gg ex
cold ridge
the guilty gear EX stage was pretty good but
cold ridge
the guilty gear EX stage was pretty good but
for some reason they decided to hate baiken to that stage in particular
midnight brook
yea and the player count died
sullen vapor
you could of soloed it w 1 unit and like 2 supports btw
midnight brook
so they had to make all content easy
cold ridge
disagree
cold ridge
they were well made too
but the community is braindead
midnight brook
diavolo users
cold ridge
and if the devs add anything but shonen slop
midnight brook
play pvp
hollow bone
guilty gear update had really solid units
cold ridge
the community wi be unhappy
midnight brook
He’s not even wrong
hollow bone
they were all solid on release
We also judge units on how well they aged.
cold ridge
either way i do still think that they're the most well-made units in the game in terms of aesthetic
guilty gear's a great game
it's just that the ATD community just like
static storm
Only byeken is usable rn, because of her support the other ones fell off
yoo what 😭
cold ridge
i think the update overall was pretty ass
static storm
i've never seen anyone use byeken since upd 7
cold ridge
since pvp was meant to be the main focus
static storm
unless it had monarch
static storm
i mean for support utility, she's a one of a kind
cold ridge
exactly
static storm
other than that
i've never seen her used
almost always because there's no game modes in which you need support apart from comp ones 
cold ridge
almost always because there's no game modes in which you need support apart from...
no point in using support units if the game's so braindead easy that you don't need to rely on them
they'll do this if the ccu drops below 10k again like it did after the AOT update
it's deadass just a cycle
AV devs get complacent
static storm
game does bad --> apologise and request community feedback --> game does well --> devs stop listening
well it's not that they stop listening
they listen and then they say no
shiny transfer is a prime example
static storm
no reasonable justification, just a straight up no and middle finger
static storm
don't get me started on hypocrisy
cold ridge
they just disregard a shitton of community until their ccu is taking a blow
static storm
how are they criticising the community's literacy
when they make grammatical mistakes frequently
cold ridge
i have screenshots on my pc of
static storm
like come on, capital letters for non proper nouns in the middle of a sentence 
static storm
is he the one who said he saved the game
cold ridge
smthn about "heh let the community complain, i've saved this game with my ideas more times than i can count!"
he did 🥀
cold ridge
hi miso beef
cold ridge
the worst part is that the debuffs wouldn't be an issue if reliable support units were in abundance but for some reason they're like hardly put out
they've improved on this in recent times
w/ witch and such
but it's still a bit of a problem
dawn violet
we are NEVER getting hrad content
until their revenue drops and then maybe we will
cold ridge
people hated cid raid because of the fact that you HAD to pay full attention to it
not that it was hard
grizzled frigate
There has to be a middle ground for casual and hard content…
cold ridge
not that it was hard
if they added like a counter to show the numbers that cid stated, it'd be a lot more bearable imo
cold ridge
There has to be a middle ground for casual and hard content…
AV just hasn't found that middle ground
they gave up before they could
dawn violet
There has to be a middle ground for casual and hard content…
they think that adding any new hard content at all is going to make players mad since they'll be "forced to do it"
its why they dont add higher diff levels
static storm
also
paper laurel
static storm
they made traits way WAY easier to get
static storm
if they did another gg ex level difficulty game mode
cold ridge
the perfect example of a difficult stage
icy lodge
I already know someone is gonna be like
Av players before events: "We want more rrls, there's no rrls, monarch is hard to get"
Av players after events: "There's too many rrls, monarch is ez, we want less slop"
grizzled frigate
X.5 gotta be dedicated to harder content or smth
Im as casual as a player can get and this is lowkey getting to boring 
static storm
instead they decided it's a good idea to trivialise trait obtainment without making them necessary
dawn violet
X.5 gotta be dedicated to harder content or smth
Im as casual as a player can g...
miso
no more hard content gng
cold ridge
i deadass just place my monarch escanor and kick my feet up on my desk bc i don't have to do anything else
it's so mind numbing
grizzled frigate
no more hard content gng
Not when the ccu dips to 10k or less 🤤
dawn violet
Not when the ccu dips to 10k or less 🤤
icy lodge
its cus they're stubborn and wanna keep double evos gatekept
dawn violet
then they just release 1000 rr event so people are forced to play
paper laurel
X.5 gotta be dedicated to harder content or smth
Im as casual as a player can g...
u can solo everything with sub meta monarch
cold ridge
its cus they're stubborn and wanna keep double evos gatekept
and because they're desperate for CCU
paper laurel
yes
static storm
u can solo everything with sub meta monarch
u can prolly solo everything traitless if im being fr
cold ridge
they'd rather spend 5 minutes thinking up a slop vfamiliar than putting the effort into making a double evo or even just making the VFamiliar passives an ounce more creative
icy lodge
u can solo everything with sub meta monarch
You dont even need monarch, units have gotten so busted that a non monarch team can clear endgame
cold ridge
You dont even need monarch, units have gotten so busted that a non monarch team ...
i liked the power creep when the summer update came out but over time it's actually so fucking insane
icy lodge
You dont even need monarch, units have gotten so busted that a non monarch team ...
and for the record "Hard doesnt mean annoying" (looking at you cid stage)
static storm
lwk they could replace the worldlines unit every other x.5 with a double evo item to make a secret evolution for an already existing unit
cold ridge
how did we go from units no traits doing max like 110k to double that in a single update
static storm
ykwim
dawn violet
oh yeah bray im remaking that one familiar suggestion i did
icy lodge
how did we go from units no traits doing max like 110k to double that in a singl...
and whats worse, there's gonna be more updates like this
we're gonna reach a point where
vsjw
isnt meta
hollow bone
oh yeah bray im remaking that one familiar suggestion i did
G4!!! RAHHHHH!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
icy lodge
not like rn he aint carried by summons and element
dawn violet
vsjw
i find it really silly that OBITO and TENGEN are better than vanguard sung jin woo
🥀
static storm
oh yeah bray im remaking that one familiar suggestion i did
you might as well watermark the entire thing tbh
dawn violet
you might as well watermark the entire thing tbh
im forced to watermark it like that
mods get
mad 🥀
icy lodge
i find it really silly that OBITO and TENGEN are better than vanguard sung jin w...
I find it silly that the only argument ppl had for ssj4 is gone because of obito
paper laurel
You dont even need monarch, units have gotten so busted that a non monarch team ...
yeah the only hard stuff is tournament basically
static storm
ah
paper laurel
and even that isn't hard because rumbling
static storm
i've never seen a mod inside suggestions
i think the only time i saw a mod get involved in suggestions
was some plagiarism drama?
paper laurel
free rerolls and cool skins so I don't complain
static storm
i cant remember
hollow bone
i find it really silly that OBITO and TENGEN are better than vanguard sung jin w...
Vanguard rarity is basically useless when you have banner mythics competing with them
dawn violet
i've never seen a mod inside suggestions
mainly they get mad at me since 2 of the things ive made have been leaked all over tt as the real thing
like prince & prodigy broly passives
and
grizzled frigate
i've never seen a mod inside suggestions
Mushy was spreading his suggestion passives to gen
And some people thought it was real
static storm
oh 😭
paper laurel
i think the only time i saw a mod get involved in suggestions
they actually check suggestions pretty often
icy lodge
yeah the only hard stuff is tournament basically
Bro have you seen this tournament? Blinded + energy drain + strong + both regen and revitalize with unbound banned (most anti regen units), water banned (alladin the best cleanser banned) and some other random bs banned with BOO buffed, like its genuinely so cooked 😭
grizzled frigate
Deaduzz on insta and reddit seeing owo passives as “leaks”
dawn violet
Mushy was spreading his suggestion passives to gen <:tsinsanevro:140223598787847...
the incident (i saw one with 100k)
cold ridge
oh yeah bray im remaking that one familiar suggestion i did
society if the AV devs put more than 3 picoseconds of effort into designing VFaniliars:
static storm
they actually check suggestions pretty often
mods or devs?
dawn violet
society if the AV devs put more than 3 picoseconds of effort into designing VFan...
i mean theyre not even hard to make
grizzled frigate
mods or devs?
Both
paper laurel
Bro have you seen this tournament? Blinded + energy drain + strong + both regen ...
guess what new strat we using
dawn violet
like
grizzled frigate
Mostly valk
dawn violet
idk
cold ridge
i mean theyre not even hard to make
they aren't
static storm
devs i alr know see the suggestions
paper laurel
mods or devs?
nvm devs
only time i saw a mod was when someone pinged bc he was getting flamed
icy lodge
guess what new strat we using
Its SK, rumbling and sukuna
static storm
mods i've never seen interact
cold ridge
which is why it's especially baffling that every official vfamiliar has fallen flat in the creativity department
grizzled frigate
I know dirwid check suggestion every so often
grizzled frigate
He was like in most of my fate subs
paper laurel
Its SK, rumbling and sukuna
actually kenny instead of sukuna but yes another rumbling
icy lodge
actually kenny instead of sukuna but yes another rumbling
Sukuna was the only bleed that came to mind 😭
grizzled frigate
vanguard familiar for medea is next
Unfortunately she is NEVER winning a poll
icy lodge
that isnt unbound
grizzled frigate
Wasn’t rider on the last poll
hollow bone
actually kenny instead of sukuna but yes another rumbling
Xopt used sukuna
dawn violet
Unfortunately she is NEVER winning a poll
cid boss when he sees a wild medea fly at him with rule breaker
icy lodge
is he still in the upper meta?
ofc he is 😭
static storm
surprised he hasn't been nerfed
static storm
haven't been playing for a while
cold ridge
is this fr
hollow bone
is he still in the upper meta?
He is like top 2
icy lodge
surprised he hasn't been nerfed
if a unit gets nerfed i genuinely think ppl are gonna riot and dox the devs 😭
static storm
after what they did with gilgamesh i dont think any more fate characters will win a poll
hollow bone
after what they did with gilgamesh i dont think any more fate characters will wi...
Saber would win
icy lodge
after what they did with gilgamesh i dont think any more fate characters will wi...
Saber and salter have a decent chance
static storm
true
dawn violet
after what they did with gilgamesh i dont think any more fate characters will wi...
saber has a chance
sullen vapor
i mean most questions are either stupid or just repetitive😭 they have pretty much answered every questions everytime they do a stage
static storm
but if gogeta's in te same poll
dawn violet
not a familiar
hollow bone
Vanguard double evo Saber 👍
static storm
i would guess it would be pretty close
cold ridge
idk what it is with developers for anything generally having such huge egos
it's lowk so annoying
icy lodge
i hope they just make a full evo for saber
Just make a fate part 3, stop gatekeeping double evo and give all the fate units double evos
cold ridge
ppl think they're hot shit for being part of making anything moderately successful
hollow bone
Saber would probably beat gogeta
😭
dawn violet
Just make a fate part 3, stop gatekeeping double evo and give all the fate units...
give us a full FGO update
🤔
hollow bone
Saber would probably beat gogeta
We don't want a saber vf
cold ridge
Just make a fate part 3, stop gatekeeping double evo and give all the fate units...
mfs act like fate part 3 is really such a stretch when it isn't
static storm
let me check if i have saber
icy lodge
Saber would probably beat gogeta
she will only win because people dont want gogeta4 to get buthcered like gilg
grizzled frigate
We don't want a saber vf
Well neither do i but at some point its probably gonna happen
paper laurel
Xopt used sukuna
kenny is cheaper to spam
static storm
i regret unshinying my shiny archer icl
icy lodge
mfs act like fate part 3 is really such a stretch when it isn't
like, we're getting a fate unit for the anniversary, we got a fate unit for summer its not even funny 😭
hollow bone
Well neither do i but at some point its probably gonna happen
Nuh uh, double evo
dawn violet
We don't want a saber vf
cold ridge
we've had 1.5 fate updates and the .5 honestly should have just been part of the .0 fate update just like how the sukuna boss rush should've been part of the initial jjk update
cold ridge
we've had 1.5 fate updates and the .5 honestly should have just been part of the...
why does this mean we can't get another fate update
dawn violet
there is NOT that many fate characters
icy lodge
we've had 1.5 fate updates and the .5 honestly should have just been part of the...
I just realized smt
static storm
we've had 1.5 fate updates and the .5 honestly should have just been part of the...
pretty sure they released it separately due to time constraints
icy lodge
my first monarch was a fate unit 😭
hollow bone
there is NOT that many fate characters
icy lodge
just give us fate part 2.5
cold ridge
there is NOT that many fate characters
we have more dragon ball content than fate content
dawn violet
and how many fate characters in total there are
static storm
the time constraints being the community begging the devs to just drop the update
icy lodge
we have more dragon ball content than fate content
and its all ass other then brolly and gogeta blue
static storm
which category/anime has the most characters in av
grizzled frigate
which category/anime has the most characters in av
Probably db
static storm
dam
static storm
excluding transformations
grizzled frigate
Still think its db
icy lodge
excluding transformations <:Sob4k:1366752039912214558>
it aint a transformation
static storm
oh
icy lodge
game counts it as a seperate unit
static storm
dragon ball getting a little too much glaze
static storm
drop a jjk part 2 and part 3 update 🥹
static storm
with a triple evo sukuna
grizzled frigate
with a triple evo sukuna
Oh heck no
icy lodge
we can get buttloads of DB content and it's fine
honestly the second ever vanguard quest being a db unit was a gut punch to ssj4 owners
static storm
yes 🥹
hollow bone
honestly the second ever vanguard quest being a db unit was a gut punch to ssj4 ...
?
This upd buffed G4
midnight brook
honestly the second ever vanguard quest being a db unit was a gut punch to ssj4 ...
how
icy lodge
?
they didnt buff ssj4, brolly a dbz vanguard, and they released gogeta blue, the same unit canonically who is BETTER then ssj4 gogeta
cold ridge
drop a jjk part 2 and part 3 update 🥹
sukuna evolving into either meguna/heian sukuna (diverging evo paths so that they're both viable) 🔥
midnight brook
sukuna evolving into either meguna/heian sukuna (diverging evo paths so that the...
no
static storm
nah just make heian sukuna a transformation of meguna
cold ridge
i don't think we should get a sukuna evo any time soon
midnight brook
meguna is vanguard
static storm
obviously make higurama called DMCA lawyer
hollow bone
they didnt buff ssj4, brolly a dbz vanguard, and they released gogeta blue, the ...
G4 and G Blue well on a team together and g blue buffs g4
icy lodge
i don't think we should get a sukuna evo any time soon
i dont think sukuna should get touched.
midnight brook
and heian era is a transformation
cold ridge
i don't think we should get a sukuna evo any time soon
this is the issue with vanguard familiars
static storm
and be like nvm we aint dmca striking av
paper laurel
i don't think we should get a sukuna evo any time soon
he staying broken atleast 3 versions
icy lodge
G4 and G Blue well on a team together and g blue buffs g4
yea and Gogeta blue does way better withought gogeta 4
midnight brook
make heian era and give him a vanguard familiar
cold ridge
vanguard familiars present the opportunity for the devs to make units mega forever since the same unit can get multiple vanguard familiars and on top of that, units getting vfamiliars doesn't gate them from getting evos in the future
it just sucks
static storm
also didn't they say they would increase the numbers on vfs once that unit and its vf drops out of meta
instead of increasing the numbers on the unit itself
has that even happened
cold ridge
what's the point of grinding new updates when you can just wait for ur dusty, old ass units to get a vfamiliar in the future
midnight brook
instead of increasing the numbers on the unit itself
diavolo
cold ridge
also didn't they say they would increase the numbers on vfs once that unit and i...
they'd just drop a new vfamiliar if there was demand for it
midnight brook
no it was always 2
icy lodge
if it was once 1 placement, what is the point of making him 2 placements? monarch is still his best trait and he is too expensive
it makes sense for it to have been 2 on release
midnight brook
He cost a lot
static storm
and that
gritty socket
if it was once 1 placement, what is the point of making him 2 placements? monarc...
Diavolo has just kinda been weirdly designed
icy lodge
Diavolo has just kinda been weirdly designed
cant the same argument be made for gogeta 4?
gritty socket
cant the same argument be made for gogeta 4?
I guess but then at that point they were trying to make vanguards more useable
cold ridge
every unit update 3.0 and before that was designed weirdly
because they all had andre passives
icy lodge
because they all had andre passives
andre passives?
cold ridge
andre passives?
the old balancer i think
gritty socket
diavolo was designed mainly to be a collectible unit based off Andre’s statements
gritty socket
the old balancer i think
Yea
icy lodge
the old balancer i think
thats rly funny considering i got a friend named andre who's banned from here due to a mod abusing his power lol
midnight brook
a mod abused his powers
icy lodge
a mod abused his powers
yea, mod got banned within a day of my friend getting his ban lol and when my friend andre asked him why he got banned he said mod abuse
static storm
Diavolo has just kinda been weirdly designed
at the time of his release, vanguards were meant to be a unit for "bragging rights" and not meta defining
buuut that changed
icy lodge
at the time of his release, vanguards were meant to be a unit for "bragging righ...
that lasted
gritty socket
at the time of his release, vanguards were meant to be a unit for "bragging righ...
André did not cook with the idea lmao
static storm
especially after pity was introduced
static storm
André did not cook with the idea lmao
wouldnt be surprised if aandrevious ws the one who came up with that concept
he came up with a lot of bad ideas
gritty socket
wouldnt be surprised if aandrevious ws the one who came up with that concept
Pretty sure he was
static storm
in 2024 i had an argument with him
gritty socket
From what I remember back in nov
static storm
about how passives should jsut be a "x% buff"
especially mythic gojo's "20% dmg buff -10% spa buff"
because at the time i thought they should be more unique and used to give characters more life and lore accuracy
if the game still had aandrevious style passives i doubt ccu would scrape 10k
hollow bone
Who is that
cold ridge
bro was just typing in here earlier criticizing the devs and he catches a stray
hollow bone
Ah
wanton grotto
bro was just typing in here earlier criticizing the devs and he catches a stray
i dont think it was a stray. just water for fire
cold ridge
Who is that
he replied to pyseph talking about how the community didn't hate difficulty, they hated annoying mechanics which the devs often paired with difficult content and instead of learning from that, they dropped difficult content all together
and also dropped smthn about how shitty vfamiliars we're
and he kind of called out the devs in that post in particular
and he got fuckinf banned for it 💀
hollow bone
Lol
wanton grotto
and also dropped smthn about how shitty vfamiliars we're
deserved then ngl
hollow bone
deserved then ngl
cold ridge
all he did was harshly criticize how the devs have handled difficult content & vfamiliars
paper laurel
all he did was harshly criticize how the devs have handled difficult content & v...
nah that was not worth a ban icl
cold ridge
it seemed like he just criticized without being toxic
i'm p sure at one point he called pyseph slow or something or maybe just the devs in general slow
paper laurel
i'm p sure at one point he called pyseph slow or something or maybe just the dev...
😭
cold ridge
either way it's not like he was directing that shit at a dev to their fucking face
hell
i'm pretty sure i've said comparable things before
and i'm fine and dandy
paper laurel
what dev points do to a person
cold ridge
so are other people
paper laurel
💔
cold ridge
at least it ain't a perma ban 🥀
brave parcel
actually kenny instead of sukuna but yes another rumbling
Boiiiii
Who said we using Kenny
Draedonnnnn
Chilll
stoic elm
Xopt do you like pineapples
Alright dont respond then fuck you🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕
brave parcel
Xopt do you like pineapples
I do
strange crater
dawn violet
didnt they alr say they wont be changed
stiff lichen
are you guys gonna still scale content as traitless even though most people have multiple monarchs currently?
strange crater
theyre not gonna scale the game to monarchs or vanguards
halcyon idol
theyre not gonna scale the game to monarchs or vanguards
games almost als atp i dont see a reason to start scaling to deadeye atleast
reaching als level of rrs and grow a garden level difficulty
honest fog
cant u add more stuff like elemental confluence
its pretty hard and fun
but this time make it actually possible to get 2k on all elements (cough cough passion)
cus passion became impossible ever since the fix to get 2k
cold ridge
not impossible