Buff/Rework Gilgamesh's familiar and WE NEED VALENTINE (PASSION) VFAMILIAR

[modest socket]

if u have him with monarch

just 1

[blissful ivy]

the point of familiars is to make them good?

[tawny mango]

story mode

[modest socket]

117k to max btw, and isnt good on placement

[modest socket]

worst part he doesnt work on legend stages and for story mode u rather use gohan dawg LOL

[lime sun]

which he is significantly better than his normal without it

[blissful ivy]

ok??? he still not good

[lime sun]

Why would they buff a limited units familiar

[lime sun]

ok and thats fine

not everything needs to be insanely good after getting smth new

[blissful ivy]

idk ask them their the ones that made the poll

[modest socket]

30% slow bro 💔 i cant

not even slow to bosses thats the worst part

[blissful ivy]

not even insanly good just viable

[modest socket]

like dude he doesnt even apply rupture or nun

[lime sun]

Bor what he is

[modest socket]

but hes not even good, u rather use any other unit than him, coyote starkk does his work and better

[blissful ivy]

he isnt

[lime sun]

then use him n stop complaining

[remote orbit]

Because it’s bad??? Tf??

[modest socket]

So thats why we want his familiar to be buffed LOL

[blissful ivy]

people are allowed to complain when somthing sucks

[lime sun]

r u slow

😭

[remote orbit]

Are you bro??

[lime sun]

feel like im talking to patrick from spongebob

[tawny mango]

glaze

[modest socket]

whats the point of wasting 5 days of peoples time if is going to be something that was no use in the game

literally not a single stage or nun that he can be used

[remote orbit]

“Why would they buff a limited units familiar” because it is bad bro

[lime sun]

if you need i can outline the word limited for you so you comprehend better, sorry if you're dyselxic ill take that into consideration next time

[blissful ivy]

what?

[remote orbit]

It doesn’t need to even be insanely op

[lime sun]

or maybe touch grass and accept the way things are

[lime sun]

not talking to you

[blissful ivy]

no?

[lime sun]

so you dont need to reply

[lime sun]

LMFAOO

[tall fiber]

kaguya and escanor are top 5 units but pop off

[blissful ivy]

this is a public convo i can reply to what i want to

[lime sun]

what am i actually talking to rn

[lime sun]

well im not talking to you

[modest socket]

yeah right limited shouldnt be op so nerf kaguya and escanor so we okay

[remote orbit]

Kaguya, escanor, stark, invincible, goblin slayer are all better and limited

[lime sun]

so dont reply to me acting all confused

[blissful ivy]

well i am talking to u

[lime sun]

comparing him to vanguards gng

[modest socket]

yeah someone please make this a suggestion so they nerf them

[remote orbit]

Wow I don’t remember goblin slayer vanguard

[blissful ivy]

and a bp unit

[lime sun]

use ur head

[remote orbit]

Or stark being a vanguard

[lime sun]

im talking about the vanguards you listed

[blissful ivy]

and a 2 month old wordline unit

[remote orbit]

Bruh what

[modest socket]

the bp unit does better work traitless vs monarch btw

[lime sun]

if its not a vanguard, then thats not what im talking abt

idk why ur acting brainless

actually mentally chopped

[remote orbit]

And the 3 other units are better so what’s your point??

[lime sun]

u play the game so yk what im talking abt

[remote orbit]

Bro this guy

[lime sun]

my point wasnt related to the other 3 units tho was it

lock in

[tawny mango]

😭

[blissful ivy]

this gotta be rage bait

[remote orbit]

Yea but those other 3 units are older than the vf and better

[modest socket]

this guy aint real bro no wonder he got flowers on their pfp ts pmo ragebait

[remote orbit]

You might be an idiot

[lime sun]

sry id rather not bait any rage x

[lime sun]

erm no they arent

[remote orbit]

Check the official tl bro

[modest socket]

so please valk if u see this nerf limited units because it would be unfair for people that dont have them

[tawny mango]

they r

[lime sun]

no they arent

not yall lying

[modest socket]

lead tester btw

[remote orbit]

This guy is actually stupid as shit

[lime sun]

exactly

tyy

[modest socket]

make it a suggestion asap

[remote orbit]

So this is ragebait

[modest socket]

they need to nerf all limited units

[lime sun]

Listen to that guy

[lime sun]

EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. GILGAMESH IS META

THANK YOU.

Likeee

[stiff crystal]

nerf yhwach

[lime sun]

Ty blueberry

[remote orbit]

Meta is the top meta tier

[blissful ivy]

below a 3 month old unit

[lime sun]

do not dare nerf the goat

[remote orbit]

They just do it to make you feel better

[lime sun]

no, meta is meta

top meta tier is upper meta

[blissful ivy]

not really

[lime sun]

do you have trouble reading?

[blissful ivy]

no one actually uses normal meta units

[lime sun]

i do

[blissful ivy]

unless they their only monarchs

[remote orbit]

Do you have a functioning brain??

[lime sun]

i enjoy using cid

[remote orbit]

For inf?

[modest socket]

well because cid is actually good dawg he should be in high meta imo

[lime sun]

for everything

[remote orbit]

Different tl for inf btw

[lime sun]

Idc

Im not chronically on the game STAT

[tall fiber]

worst thing ive ever heard

[tawny burrow]

LMAOOO

[lime sun]

idk whats funny

cz we both know ur sat behind that screen w a straight face

[timid drift]

Cid has really good placement damage and aoe

I like using him

[lime sun]

talking abt some lmao

[tawny burrow]

I did let out a chuckle though

So youre wrong

[lime sun]

exactly ty .

[lime sun]

bit sad isnt it

check that out for me x

[tawny burrow]

Whats sad

[lime sun]

omds

[tawny burrow]

Laughing is sad?

[lime sun]

nvm

[tawny burrow]

Thought people do that when theyre having fun

[lime sun]

its like ppl refuse using their brains

and thinking before they type or speak

anyways

delete this suggestion and lock this channel!!!

[tawny burrow]

This guy js saying shit

[modest socket]

suggest the nerf to all limited bro

[remote orbit]

Bro you can’t blame us for you being a dumbass

[timid drift]

People are just expecting way too much for a unit that’s not obtainable

[blissful ivy]

it was an exageration obviously people use him he just not up to current standereds for limited waves

[lime sun]

go do that urself gng

i do not care

[remote orbit]

I just wish his nuke wasn’t single target

[lime sun]

did you mistype you as me? or

[timid drift]

cid is heavily used in tournaments and inf and he still has good progressive uses

[modest socket]

his nuke sucks even if it was full aoe btw

[tawny burrow]

1st grade ass comeback

[tall fiber]

no units should be getting nerfed

[remote orbit]

Ts not tuff

[tawny burrow]

[blissful ivy]

yea i added that already

[lime sun]

gng ..

[blissful ivy]

he isnt good for progressive tho

[lime sun]

what u just said is what ur tryna say rn

[remote orbit]

I mean atleast he has one then

[lime sun]

that was embarassing

[timid drift]

the half aoe at early upgrades is really nice

[tawny burrow]

Make your sentences make sense

[remote orbit]

For you yes

[tawny burrow]

Then talk to me

[lime sun]

use ur brain

and then it will make sense to you

[timid drift]

not half it’s like 80% aoe

[lime sun]

am i talking to a bot or what

simple english comprehension

let me break it down for you

[blissful ivy]

yea still doesnt make him good atleast by current standards

[lime sun]

What u just said was like making a 1st grade comeback yourself

[tawny burrow]

Ermm "did you mistype me as you"

[remote orbit]

Bro all you say is “are you dumb” to an actually good point

[lime sun]

Do you understand that?

[lime sun]

I didnt say that tho

[blissful ivy]

lol

[modest socket]

he lowkey is full aoe on placement and half aoe on 2 upgrade

[lime sun]

I said did you mistype you as me

[remote orbit]

Ty

[lime sun]

Wdym ty

[modest socket]

LMFAOFAOFOAOFA

oh hell nah

[timid drift]

Ts did nothing

Holy aura loss

[lime sun]

..

[modest socket]

nah leni u just lose ur aura

[lime sun]

What did i even do

Leni im debating

This is what suggestions are for!

[remote orbit]

Bro debating?

[lime sun]

Im RISING, BUMPING up this thread!

[modest socket]

what is bro debating

[tawny burrow]

What debate

[lime sun]

Omds shush

Stop replying to me

Beg

[tawny burrow]

Just saying words for the sake of it

[modest socket]

gilgamesh familiar deserve a buff, atleast make a pull so they make him obtainable again to buff him not like people like me have 20 of them on my inventory

[blissful ivy]

ur just calling people dumb

[lime sun]

js like u

[lime sun]

No im not

You're all really smart

Love you all

[tawny burrow]

Did you mistype me as u🤓

[tall fiber]

rerun him
make him a secret
buff familiar
give him a double evo vanguard later

[lime sun]

other way around broski

[blissful ivy]

2 min ago

[tawny burrow]

Dumb ahh boy

[modest socket]

!!!

[lime sun]

pls get it right if ur tryna copy what i was tryna say

[lime sun]

? Whos that

[tawny burrow]

Cant be bothered really

[lime sun]

BYEE WHY R U MAKING ALTS

PLSSSS

[tawny burrow]

You still get mad so the result is the same

[lime sun]

Blueberry milkshake

[timid drift]

alts for what

[lime sun]

To get the amazing monarch gilgamesh

We ALL want him

[timid drift]

bro a inf only unit😭😭

[upbeat bronze]

giselle familiar

[modest socket]

not even inf unit

[ashen cradle]

freeze for 60 seconds

💀

[modest socket]

balanced

[upbeat bronze]

freeze summons for 60s yeah..

[modest socket]

60 seconds

[upbeat bronze]

U ONLY FREEZE THE SUMMON

[ashen cradle]

so just yamamoto...

[modest socket]

60 seconds

[grave spindle]

truly a gilgamesh moment

[upbeat bronze]

except with any summon

[toxic igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/artisan-liga-gif-13227306609816579728

[upbeat bronze]

[modest socket]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[ashen cradle]

why would u want that

[upbeat bronze]

to stack summons up

[ashen cradle]

well i mean not like it matters

nvm

[upbeat bronze]

like uhhh

buu summons

[blissful ivy]

its only for 60s tho?

[upbeat bronze]

or sjw summons

[modest socket]

nah bro with isthar too LOLLLLLLLLLLLL

crying rn LOL

[upbeat bronze]

spawn them 60s before a boss spawns

[grave spindle]

[blissful ivy]

i guess but that would be annoying to time

[grave spindle]

game is too easy so i have to nerf myself

[lime sun]

Hi guys i sincerely apologise to anyone i was being mean to and i hope you acceppt my apology. You're all very nice smart individuals that will all do very good in life Especially you blueberry milkshake @blissful ivy

[tawny burrow]

LMAO

[grave spindle]

all that and he's still leaking asw

but he was able to solo the 70m hp boss

[toxic igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/artisan-liga-gif-13227306609816579728

[modest socket]

i mean with 2 buffers who couldnt

[timid drift]

I accept ur apology it’s ok

❤️

[grave spindle]

ishtar only buffs by 12% relax

it's more like 1.5 supports

[ocean sky]

you guys are wasting your time

[grave spindle]

ngl they should add an ishtar vanguard familiar 🥹

[ocean sky]

he’s not getting buffed

valk has said multiple times

[modest socket]

isthar vanguard familiar +20% dmg buff to all moon crimson units

im cooking

[tawny burrow]

Valk a whole ass bitch

[modest socket]

;LMFOFAOFAO

he saving av tho

such a greats ideas

[grave spindle]

+20% dmg to holy units, additional +20% if that unit is a crimson moon unit

(only gilgamesh)

[ocean sky]

w ref

[astral willow]

Yeah

Shit is way better than what we have

[grave spindle]

bro aint ichigo 🥀

yo who got valk pregnant 🥀

[tawny burrow]

0🔥

[modest socket]

mb

[astral willow]

Obviously

[modest socket]

tbh yeah i rather have nothing at all

[astral willow]

All this hype for a steaming pile of shit

[tawny burrow]

He cant attack anything other than the boss for 30 seconds after ability

[modest socket]

delete gilgamesh familiar and gave back the rerolls and monarch tokens

[toxic igloo]

i mean it makes him way too broken, numbers would definitely have to be tweaked

[tawny burrow]

Yea id rather just have my regular gilga

[grave spindle]

pvp, odyssey and inf lb 😎

[modest socket]

tbh yeah

[grave spindle]

the only game modes people don't play

[modest socket]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO

he is an odyssey monster, dont get me wrong.

[toxic igloo]

plus i like making units better (vfs suck)

[hollow saffron]

holy ego

he was the one behind aot and gg

[lime sun]

thank youu, love you

[soft jetty]

lowkey fire valk

[modest socket]

yeah he was also the one to nerf lfelt 30 times in a row the same update

[astral willow]

Not even. Makes him perfectly balanced. He buffs 2 very outdated units, the nuke issue is fixed and it has synergies with passives

[soft jetty]

WE should make a suggestion about firing valk

[hollow saffron]

av savior fr

[drifting wolf]

mf fucked up tournament last 6 hours and doesn't even reset

[ocean sky]

gilgamesh held back by his execute

he would be better

[toxic igloo]

yeah the concept is fine its just numbers that need to be tweaked

[astral willow]

Quite literally the perfect familiar and it’s better than sukunas in terms of logic as to why he does other things

[modest socket]

he is the av savior gave him a role.

[toxic igloo]

like saber does 90k dps

[runic inlet]

i mean hes 100x better than aandrevious ever was but thats a pretty low bar

[astral willow]

Not rlly tho

[tawny burrow]

Execute at 10% too op!!!

[grave spindle]

how do i post gifs in suggestions without it getting deleted 🥹

[stiff crystal]

LOL

[astral willow]

Only on Excalibur

She does 20k dps normally

[toxic igloo]

still a lot for a unit he'd give a secondary buff too, but ig

[astral willow]

She only does 90k dps constant in inf

[modest socket]

VALK SAVE ME

[astral willow]

And that’s only if I’ll save up 2m yen and just spam her down

Capitalist unit

[toxic igloo]

i mean theyre not gonna change it atp 😔

[tawny burrow]

From poop to shit

[astral willow]

A yes the gg and aot updates, gg which brought PvP that we all agree doesn’t exist, and a shitty ex stage

[modest socket]

hes lowkey the same as aandrevious LOL

[astral willow]

And aot that everyone also agrees is shit and almost killed the game

Yes

Saving av guys

[runic inlet]

i would say the passives are a lot more interesting now but lately....

[astral willow]

😭

[tawny burrow]

I always forget pvp exists

[astral willow]

Yeah bc it’s ass

Don’t nobody like that shit

[grave spindle]

honestly i don't think these devs even watch anime

[astral willow]

Devs themselves prolly forgot it existed

[next hearth]

please y’all go to sleep

[tawny burrow]

Yeah its an improvement but its hard not to improve from that

[grave spindle]

"starrk is my second favourite bleach character"

[tall fiber]

vanguard familiars are ruining the games economy and meta

[grave spindle]

proceeds to make starrk a support

[astral willow]

Violated my boy

[grave spindle]

support/low cost efficient mid dps unit

[runic inlet]

nah that's too disrespectful ngl. Aandrevious passives were like "+15 dmg -5% spa" type shit

[astral willow]

Ah yes the non existent economy

[tall fiber]

i meant rerolls

[modest socket]

30% slow on non bosses

[tall fiber]

not unit value or anything

[astral willow]

There are 4 rare units in the game gang. Rengoku/subaru/haruka and diavolo

That’s it

[tall fiber]

but resources like shards and rerolls

[astral willow]

Everything else was duped and everyone has

[tawny burrow]

I LOVE 30% slow

[astral willow]

Esdeath aswell I guess

[tall fiber]

again thats not what i was saying

vanguard familiars have nothing to do with unit value

[modest socket]

just npcs non bosses too LOL

[tawny burrow]

Especially when its for 20 seconds

[astral willow]

Nah bros aura so bad he stuns them for 2 seconds

The familiars shitty stench actually gets them to stop

😭

[modest socket]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[tawny burrow]

Subaru is rare?

[runic inlet]

the humble 30% slow for 20 seconds VS the despicable +20% dmg -10% spa

[modest socket]

yeah

[astral willow]

Yeah Subaru and esdeath

[tawny burrow]

Wtf

[astral willow]

Haruka and diavolo

[modest socket]

almost no one played that worldliness

[astral willow]

And uh

Who else

[tawny burrow]

Oh

Ic

[astral willow]

Nah that’s abt it

[tawny burrow]

I got 2 subaru

[astral willow]

Me too

I’m chilling

Doesn’t matter tho

[modest socket]

frieren lowkey so bad i didnt get her

[astral willow]

Cuz trading ain’t ever fucking releasing

[tawny burrow]

I should evolve my esdeath

[astral willow]

Understandable

[runic inlet]

diavolo passives were the peak of aandrevious' resume

[tawny burrow]

Uhh 500 gems from genos or smth

[astral willow]

Only reason I did this wl was bc I wanted rrs

And since I did 40 I might as well do the 50 to get my goat starkk, the 50% slow support

[runic inlet]

starrk propaganda needs to be stopped, he cant even stun bosses for 2 seconds

[astral willow]

Mfs keep telling me he’s meta

“He does high dmg with deadeye guys!”

[modest socket]

gilgamesh meta wordline btw

[grave spindle]

he's better with ethereal imo

[astral willow]

Starkk and Gilgamesh are deadass weather report upscales bro

[runic inlet]

everyone said he was ass til they put him in upper meta on the tl then they just became a hivemind and switched up

[tawny burrow]

Meta yet cant stun bosses for 2s
Yeah right😂

[astral willow]

Ain’t nobody rolling on mid

[grave spindle]

fr

[astral willow]

Nah straight up

I’ve yet to see his fucking wolves

[tall fiber]

escanor: 💀

[grave spindle]

his wolves were broken but they're fixed now

[astral willow]

They said that last time

[modest socket]

sometimes i go away and he gets stunned so i just place falcon and go away with it

[tawny burrow]

Why does bro have a monarch weather report

[astral willow]

Also doesn’t matter he’s literally a weather report upscale

[astral willow]

Cuz he’s insane

Better than Gil and starkk

😭

[runic inlet]

Give me crits
Give me slows
Give me followups or I retire 🥀

[tawny burrow]

Wdym

[astral willow]

You forgot the stuns bro

[tawny burrow]

Idk anything about the new units

So

Do tell pls

[viral thicket]

130k to max for nuke

[modest socket]

nah gilg stun carrying him

[viral thicket]

worst units to use for wl

[modest socket]

116k

[viral thicket]

gs doign a 30m nuke for only 59k yen!!

[astral willow]

Weather report slows more than Gil and longer than starkk, has 4 placements like starkk, does more dps than monarch Gilgamesh, and applies a buble that buffs your units attack by 30%

[modest socket]

u got ur info wrong!

[tawny burrow]

More dps than gilga??

LMAO

[astral willow]

Yes

4placement

More dps than gilga

[tawny burrow]

Good shit av

🔥

[modest socket]

aactually yeah weather report has more dps than gilgamesh LOL

[astral willow]

Even if he has slightly less (let’s say 50k) he still buffs your units AND applies burn 😭

[runic inlet]

did someone say 30%

[tawny burrow]

He buffs units?

[modest socket]

30% or something like that because of bubble ffect

[astral willow]

Yeah he applies a bubble that gets reapplied every attack and every cloud tick that buffs the next attack that hits the enemy by 30%

[modest socket]

bubble effect is inf because of his passives so yeah pretty much

[astral willow]

😭

[drifting wolf]

don't worry when summer banner goes away we getting a better weather report because limited units can't be good and we must please new players

[astral willow]

Can’t wait for dio oh to slow

[delicate gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423104758285340724/1423313300112015512/caption.gif

[astral willow]

Or for doom slayer to stun and do a follow up slow

[modest socket]

hes lowkey tuff

[tawny burrow]

@valk take notes

[delicate gorge]

no

[runic inlet]

by 25% for 15 seconds

[astral willow]

For 30 seconds.

[astral willow]

Wild work

[runic inlet]

he can only do single target attacks for 30 seconds ts not tuff

luckily he can slow by 30% for 20 seconds so its fine

[astral willow]

Midgamesh
Gilgashit
King of frauds
Lord of stench
Weather report upscale

What they did to my boy is a Greek tragedy

[runic inlet]

Starrk called, he wants his slow back

[neat widget]

Literally since without buffs gogeta does like 64k dps

[modest socket]

starkk called he wants 2 seconds stun

[neat widget]

and with kaguya's domain its double that

[tawny burrow]

almost 11k messages in here

cold

[modest socket]

those who know

[neat widget]

and that damge is with no units around it and full passive

[runic inlet]

11k messages yet you guys have no idea how many times i've saved av with ideas

[neat widget]

so sad

[modest socket]

lowkey griffith sucks gilgamesh is better

[astral willow]

Bros on that cope

[modest socket]

nvm he just died to griffith passives slow did nothing

[runic inlet]

griffith can't slow by 30% for 20 seconds so i dont really care for him

[modest socket]

yeah he bad bro

he only slows for 10 seconds like is good

[tawny burrow]

the real question is

[tall fiber]

griffiths infinitely better

[tawny burrow]

can he stun bosses for 2s?

[tall fiber]

kaguya negs both tho

[modest socket]

why r u rage baiting dude

[tall fiber]

im not

[modest socket]

can you kaguya stun 2 sec bosses?

thats what i think so

[tall fiber]

she has freeze

basically same thing

[modest socket]

but can she stun 2 seconds

[runic inlet]

saw someone say stark is better cause he slows by 50% for 20 seconds, do they even know gilgamesh can stun bosses for 2 seconds?

[astral willow]

Worst part is they ain’t ever gonna rework this shit

[tawny burrow]

why would they

[astral willow]

Atleast the familiar gon be here forever

[tawny burrow]

30% slow for 20s is meta

[astral willow]

Free 220 rerolls

[runic inlet]

i cant even be bothered to do 25 odysseys a day for some rrs anymore icl

[astral willow]

I feel bad for all who spent them coins on bro

😭

[runic inlet]

im not touching this game til they drop some sneaks or a trailer for upd 9 at least

[astral willow]

They got bamboozled

Done got scammed

[tawny burrow]

220 monarchs

[runic inlet]

nah i feel well compensated considering i can now slow enemies by 30% for 20 seconds

[astral willow]

😭

Don’t forget the 2 second boss stun bro

Fucks wrong w you

[runic inlet]

mb

[astral willow]

How could you forget the most important, broken and consequential passive of them all

[runic inlet]

that 30% slow for 20 seconds is just so amazing i forgot

[astral willow]

Crocodile upscale 😭

[runic inlet]

its like that alone makes him so op you don't even have to mention any of his other passives or abilities to know hes top 1

[astral willow]

Ikr

[modest socket]

worst part is that the original passives dont work with the news because he shouldnt be a support LOL

im dead

[tawny burrow]

valk just put some shit there to fill space

[runic inlet]

gilgamesh when he's designed to be used as a solo unit but can't defend solo after you use his nuke because he's single target

[tawny burrow]

not a SINGLE thought went into the creation of this vf

[modest socket]

valk didnt really think for be playing bordelands 4 icl

upd 3.5 ahh passives

[runic inlet]

nah 30% slow for 20 seconds is the peak of creativity and human ingenuity

[tawny burrow]

youre forgetting something

[runic inlet]

2 SECOND BOSS STUN!

holy peak

[tawny burrow]

YES PLEASE

[polar dagger]

Holy peak

[paper lodge]

gilgamesh defender cant be fr

[tawny burrow]

no 30% slow

mid😂

[astral willow]

No 2 second stun?

So ass

[runic inlet]

i've seen this guy in every comment section for videos about gils familiar

[modest socket]

LLOLLLLLLLLL

he really likes that 2s stun and 30% slow for 20 seconds

i mean 20 seconds of slow is pretty impressive icl

[tawny burrow]

who doesnt

its meta

[runic inlet]

surprise surprise every yt vid for gilgamesh i've watched is just glaze

[formal slate]

They said that vanguards would stay top meta and yet people still choose gilgamesh instead of gogeta

[runic inlet]

always glazing him without even mentioning his 30% slow for 20 seconds, no braincells at all

[tawny burrow]

dont forget the 2s boss stun

[paper lodge]

aint nobody with gilgamesh is defending this shitty familiar 😂

[modest socket]

they dont even say that he has 2s stun

[tawny burrow]

it fucking SUCKS

[astral willow]

Ngl ion even bother getting vanguard familiars for units ion got monarch on/care abt

[tawny burrow]

like yk how easy it would be to make him a good unit with this vf

[astral willow]

I was genuinely hyped for this and it was so ass

[tawny burrow]

without making him top meta

[modest socket]

nah bro wdym

[astral willow]

Owos familiar literally does that

[tawny burrow]

slow doesnt last for long enough

[latent aurora]

Why can not slow boss but stun???

[tawny burrow]

30% slow for 50s pls!!

[astral willow]

It fixes the issue of enuma elish doing insane amounts of dmg aswell

[modest socket]

rupture. good nuke and making so he doesnt lose damage with passive would make him usuabble

[runic inlet]

gogeta would have got like a 40% dmg buff and nothing else with how they did gil. I'm glad they didn't add him now actually

[tawny burrow]

not even

just

[paper lodge]

they acting like anniversary wont powercreep the fuck out of gilgamesh 😂

[modest socket]

no like ong with just that he would be way better

[paper lodge]

are we sure hes still gonna be meta next update

[astral willow]

Mfs acting like anniversary won’t power creep all their current monarchs

[modest socket]

yeah will they have 2 second stun on bosses?

[astral willow]

Gonna drop 14 units

[modest socket]

thats what i thought

[formal slate]

No hé would have been much better hé is the vanguard with the worst passives currently

[desert void]

How do i upvote?

[runic inlet]

every unit will apply 30% slow for 20 seconds because they're limited

[astral willow]

Atleast 4 of them gonna be top meta

[tawny burrow]

make the familiar:
-cancel the damage reduction on passive 1
-buff the slow or make it something else entirely
-LET HIM BE ABLE TO ATTACK DURING THAT 30S PERIOD AFTER ENUMA ELISH

[astral willow]

Star reaction

[tawny burrow]

on bro

[runic inlet]

it should be tether rather than slow honestly, slow is so boring and overdone and honestly makes no sense for gilgamesh to have. We only have like 1 unit that does tether rn i think

[tawny burrow]

what does tether do

[polar dagger]

What I don’t get is why people think just because he’s exclusive he shouldn’t be that good

[paper lodge]

dio oh is gonna be the best unit in the game 😂 wait but hes also limited

[polar dagger]

They made Gilgamesh have a niche buff while giving every other vf multiple uses

[tawny burrow]

but hes uhh hype!!! hes getting a broken vf

[runic inlet]

he's limited so his timestop ability will actually just be a mapwide 30% slow for 20 seconds

[modest socket]

wait gilgamesh already got powercreeped

no way guys.

[stiff crystal]

DIO OH WILL STUN FOR 9 SECS WITH 900% SLOW

[modest socket]

no way

[astral willow]

LOOOL

[tawny burrow]

what does tether do

[astral willow]

Who’s this cuz ain’t no way

[paper lodge]

slow and stun yeah gilgamesh is buns

[runic inlet]

stops enemies from leaving your range for a certain amount of time

[modest socket]

same element too no way priestess is way better than gilgamesh roll monarch on her

[polar dagger]

Sukuna is viable in nearly EVERY gamemode, gojo is viable due to his automatic void + purple, tengen buffs fire which is very much needed, and sukuna also buffs curse

[tawny burrow]

oh damn thats pretty cool actually

[runic inlet]

only baiken has it rn

i think

[polar dagger]

Yeah only her

[desert void]

For anyone here that disagrees : either just make gilga obatainable again (nobody gives a damn since trading ain't coming out) and make his familiar actually good. Also there is no actual reason sukuna is so strong compared to other familiars I would actually be fine with gilga familiar if they nerf sukuna.

[tawny burrow]

gilga is limited so he cant be good btw

[polar dagger]

That’s horrible logic

[runic inlet]

gilga is limited so he does 30% slow for 20 seconds dw

[tawny burrow]

valk's logic

[polar dagger]

Weather report is limited does he need to be good?

[paper lodge]

making his familiar op is actually good for trading cuz more people would want to trade for him

[tawny burrow]

true

[paper lodge]

what these devs be thinking

[formal slate]

Solution would be for gilgamesh voters to vote for gogeta

[runic inlet]

kaguya and escanor are limited, I've heard enough. Give them 30% slow for 20 seconds/

[astral willow]

I hope they keep this same logic for obito and make him absolute shit

[modest socket]

valk be thinking.

[blazing venture]

Weather is good though

[polar dagger]

Oh but not everyone has gogeta so he gets 30% slow and 1 second stun per attack

[ebon ridge]

why we still speculating about trading like they finna add that shit😂😂

[desert void]

Why not just make him obtainable again they did it with toji at valentines

[tawny burrow]

but hes obtainable!!!!

[modest socket]

dont forget about the stun.

[paper lodge]

obito skin is limited tho

[runic inlet]

[tawny burrow]

400%+ dmg buff and 7 followups on every attack

[modest socket]

priestess buff when? she does the same as gilgamesh

[formal slate]

Womp just wait for trading

[tawny burrow]

wait ur right

[polar dagger]

Exactly and he’s limited so I’m not getting the logic of making unob units bad due to how long they will be here

[tawny burrow]

mb

[runic inlet]

3000% slow for 200 seconds

[polar dagger]

Too bad he’s gets a 30% slow on his vf and you will like it

[tawny burrow]

rengoku vanguard familiar when

[modest socket]

too bad priestess is limited so people missing on her 2 s stun and slow at the same time.

[modest socket]

burn himself to dead would be fire

[ebon ridge]

followups and crits

[formal slate]

No cause vanguards will stay top meta after their buffs

[runic inlet]

starrk, gilgamesh and weather report, all limited units. All doing 30-50% slow for 20-30 seconds... I'm noticing a pattern here...

[remote field]

Ts op dude why isn't she meta

[craggy merlin]

Whole kitchen in flames just give Escanor his familiar already ✌🏽😭

[tawny burrow]

what about 300% more damage and 20% range

[craggy merlin]

Insane

[paper lodge]

gogeta getting 25% dmg buff if he ever won

[astral willow]

All weather report upscales

[stiff crystal]

NERF ALL LIMITED

[tawny burrow]

ne cause valk likes dragon ball

hes getting 200% damage and 3 followups on all of his attacks

[polar dagger]

Misunderstand that but he still gets lil bro’ed by secrets and that won’t change most likely

[tawny burrow]

also gets a nuke

and crits ofc

[modest socket]

ong he does LOL

[remote field]

Let's Nerf all limited units oogm

[modest socket]

thats why dont make youtubers devs or balancers bro

biased ahh guys

[ebon ridge]

lets keep doing this

[runic inlet]

weather report when he realises he cant stun bosses for 2 seconds

[ebon ridge]

😂 😂

[formal slate]

I said top meta so who cares if a random ahh secret is better if hes gonna be usefull again for every gamemode

[modest socket]

the strongest dev of today valk vs the strongests dev of history aandrevious

[ebon ridge]

i love it when games die cause of the youtubers being the balancers

[modest socket]

the fight will be Vanguard

[formal slate]

?

[polar dagger]

You will get the 30% slow and you will like it.

[astral willow]

Don’t forget the 2 second stuns and the follow ups

Let’s be creative here

[tawny burrow]

wait valk was originally a youtuber

?

[runic inlet]

aandrevious unfortunately didn't save the game many times with his ideas so im afraid valk will slow him by 30% for 20 seconds and one shot him

[modest socket]

yeah dawg

[polar dagger]

Mb

[tawny burrow]

LMAOOO

[modest socket]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

[tawny burrow]

THIS DEV TEAM IS SO FUCKING BRAINDEAD LMAOO

[ebon ridge]

deepwoken..🫩🫩

[desert void]

yeah valk is a youtuber

[runic inlet]

wasnt valk an awtd tuber

[desert void]

yeah

[formal slate]

Deepwoken is done each update made the game more laggy and thats not good for a perma death game

[desert void]

anyhow just powercreep everything since they update like half a decade

[astral willow]

They aded too many fucking leg weapons

[desert void]

so powercreep aint that bad like THEBOSS games

[astral willow]

Shit is supposed to be rare and there are like 100 of them

[formal slate]

Layer 3 is gonna be ohio when it comes out

[ebon ridge]

powercreep aint bad

[modest socket]

they should hire valk to put slow on the weapons

[astral willow]

And stun

[timid drift]

why is he crashing out

if he spent money before the familar was even out then it’s his fault☠️

[ebon ridge]

the games scaling is just shit 50k dps is like all you need to do some content

[desert void]

everyone enjoys powecreep anyway

who doesnt like new strong units

thats what happened with berserk

[modest socket]

the problem there is no difficult content LOL

[tawny burrow]

when do yall think av damage will get into the billions

[formal slate]

Somebody needs to make a suggestion for his vanguard familiar to get a vanguard evolution

[modest socket]

ex stages are not going to be athing anymore too

[astral willow]

Yeah evolve the familiar and not the unit

[runic inlet]

Domain Expansion: +20% dmg -15% spa
Domain Expansion: 30% slow for 20 seconds

[astral willow]

😭

[modest socket]

LOL

[desert void]

also vanguard familiar is like free player retention get them to grind daily for horendous buffs to old units

[remote field]

Mind u gojo has nothing to do with Infinity

[tall fiber]

even ALS did that better 💔

[remote field]

ALS gojo is more gojo than ts

[stiff crystal]

It does bro!!!! he gains dmg because of his infinity power +20 dmg

[runic inlet]

nah clearly you dont remember when gojo made a binding vow to gain +20% dmg and -10% spa

[stiff crystal]

MOST important part of sukuna vs gojo

[remote field]

Yh bro, u know the thing that slows down incoming attacks yh Ts gives u 20% extra dmg

[runic inlet]

gojo would have been COOKED if he didnt make that binding vow early on

[runic inlet]

i saw that

who patrick reacted me

[stiff crystal]

nerf gilg

he does 30% slow

[runic inlet]

i will slow you by 30% for 20 seconds

show yourself

[paper lodge]

crocodile slows for 50%

[runic inlet]

😡

[paper lodge]

gil is washed

[ebon ridge]

how als outdoing av 🫩🫩

[remote field]

Broken tier

[stiff crystal]

Croc is one of the longest unit to be on top

[runic inlet]

dont make me whip out the 2 second stun

[stiff crystal]

croc is the one unit that needs the true vanguard...

[runic inlet]

best be praying you ain't a boss enemy or i'll hit u w that 2 second stun 🥶

[remote field]

Cuz AV got massive ego

[paper lodge]

brandon would have buff the familiar

[ocean sky]

i’m still gonna monarch gilgamesh

for collection

[runic inlet]

i've heard enough, sell av to brandon theboss

[runic inlet]

the goat of sbr raid has arrived 💯

[polar dagger]

Exactly how als got on top of av with the summer upd

Without that we proably wouldn’t have gotten escanor so easily or the events tab

[remote field]

If AV did not have competition I swr this would have just been another aa

[polar dagger]

Kinda sad Als is in a rough spot rn

Always love when games have a rivalry

[runic inlet]

we still would have had bundles that give 50 rrs

[polar dagger]

Like pbb and ppm

[remote field]

Vanguard familiars are just slop content

[remote field]

I don't even got money to buy the current bundles

[remote field]

Bcz they are getting desperate and AV is catering to the new players

[runic inlet]

i could i just dont really feel like it, if upd 9 trailer looks good maybe i'll think about it cause im dry on rrs rn and i cba to play the game at all to get more

[polar dagger]

Yeah they could come back but the community isn’t making it any easier

[remote field]

Hola me that Jin Mori bundle chief and my life is lwk urs

[remote field]

Yh people are glazing av

Rightfully so

But if it goes to Thier head they gonna mess up again

[noble spire]

a

[toxic igloo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1255541150144532571/1423146374341595287/image.png?ex=68dfe898&is=68de9718&hm=daead3acaca7b247a56511ce64dbe5cb6d60ad70056185cf711ab4be301259c5&

like this?

[tawny burrow]

sure

[rigid ledge]

no

how about u make one on rudeus

[tawny burrow]

its not getting changed anyways so

[tender flare]

we need to rralize gogeta’s wouldve prob been as bad

we wasted a vfam by wanting an exclusive unit

[viral thicket]

Ngl you need to rework this

[toxic pulsar]

remove holy element buff and its good

[viral thicket]

This is just not good either

[toxic pulsar]

yo bro

its way better than current one

[blissful ivy]

He is a vanguard tho so I doubt it and he already had decent damage so it couldn’t have been that bad

[toxic pulsar]

more dmg + follow ups + removes his downside

[blissful ivy]

He would be super op tho

[viral thicket]

But it’s not enough but true anything better than current ccu

[tender flare]

they said their mindset was to not make them close to op

he wouldn’t be broken

[blissful ivy]

He doesn’t need to be broken . Gilgamesh was just bad tho

[tender flare]

gilgamesh isnt bad its a heavy improvement from what he was

gogeta’s buff would probably be even more miniscule

[blissful ivy]

Yea it’s an improvement but he still isn’t good

[blissful ivy]

Even 50% damage boost would be good

[tender flare]

he fills a niche

[blissful ivy]

Not really

[tawny burrow]

improvement sure

[blissful ivy]

There are better nukers

[tawny burrow]

heavy, no

[hollow saffron]

which niche mf

[tender flare]

hes one of the best boss killers

[blissful ivy]

No he isn’t

[tender flare]

450k dps for 30s btw

[blissful ivy]

Broly does that without a nuke

[tender flare]

and his nuke

[blissful ivy]

And goblin slayer does 20mil without a familiar

[hollow saffron]

the nuke that makes him useless for 30 seconds if the target dies early?

[blissful ivy]

Single target too

[covert needle]

Zeke💔

Bro doin 5 mil dps

[hollow saffron]

unevo aizen meta

🔥

[covert needle]

Real

[tender flare]

anyways gogeta wouldnt have been any better

[blissful ivy]

He would have tho

[tender flare]

he’d prob be in the same spot gilgamesh is rn

[tawny burrow]

hes in a better spot than current gilga tho

[blissful ivy]

Vanguard’s would probably be exceptions

[tender flare]

hes the best non limited holy unit in the game

[blissful ivy]

He is limited?

[hollow saffron]

non limited

bro what

[tender flare]

wait

ONG

[blissful ivy]

Do you know what ur talking about

[tender flare]

LOL

i forgot

his familiar is so ass i forgot he was limited

[blissful ivy]

😭

[tawny burrow]

if he wasnt limited his familiar would be good

[hollow saffron]

the switch up is crazy

[blissful ivy]

Oop I’m dumb

[tender flare]

his familiars ass i just think that he deserves his place

it makes sense why hes there

any limited unit that went unobtainable 6 months ago shouldnt randomly become one of the best units in the game

[tawny burrow]

no one asked for best

but hes not even usable

[tender flare]

name things hes not usable in

[tawny burrow]

he doesnt do anything even remotely good

ok well

[tender flare]

lmao

[tawny burrow]

he does do some things good

[hollow saffron]

barely usable unit that will die next update

[tender flare]

exactly

[blissful ivy]

U can use any unit in anything

[tawny burrow]

but there are just way too many better options

[tender flare]

practically every unit is usable

[blissful ivy]

That’s not a gotcha

[tender flare]

ur confusing usable with optinal

optimal**

[hollow saffron]

goblin slayer can beat gg ex stage with other units full traitless

[blissful ivy]

He doesn’t need to be optimal just viable

[tender flare]

gilgamesh wasn’t usable before his fam now he is

[modest socket]

name 1 thiing gilgamesh is good at

[hollow saffron]

goblin slayer is a nuclear bomb and gilgabum is a coughing baby

[tawny burrow]

30% slow for 20s

[tender flare]

name 1 thing gilgamesh cant do this making him unusable

that isnt some bs point

[modest socket]

when using nuke cant attack bosses, losing dmg when using at support being at support itself with the familiar

doing less dmg than newsman

[hollow saffron]

name 1 utility you will use gilgamesh after getting his vf

[peak solar]

he does less dmg than weather report?

[modest socket]

yeah

[peak solar]

thats crazy

[hollow saffron]

4 placements

[modest socket]

also costs 120k to max, and high spa with lame hitbox somehow

he cant solo rift with just supports btw

being monarch too

[tender flare]

bosses are usually at the end of waves and if they arent its not like escanor where you cant use other units. thats like saying goblin slayer’s bad cuz he cant kill hordes

[blissful ivy]

Goblin slayer is good at nuking tho

[modest socket]

yk enuma elish targets whoever it wants so the single attack can be done at an npc since u cant control it right

[blissful ivy]

He does like double his nuke

[modest socket]

so like 10 of his stacks might be done to npcs

[tender flare]

goblin slayers also a new unit

[blissful ivy]

Ok?

His familiar is new

[modest socket]

also gilgamesh nuke cooldown is actually higher if u want the stacks to be 30 XD

[tawny burrow]

enuma elish itself attacks everyone but the thing after it is single target

[tawny burrow]

and it locks him out of attacking too

he HAS to attack that single target

[modest socket]

the thing is that it doesnt kill npcs of the rift that have way more dmg than his nuke LOL

[tender flare]

his familiar is new but him being unobtainable for 5 months is what caused his familiar to be shit

[blissful ivy]

Then they should just rerun him idk why they didn’t

[peak solar]

gilga shouldnt really even have been an exclusive

[modest socket]

then they should make him a secret? rerun him

[hollow saffron]

goblin slayer can kill hordes with his line attack that also apply rupture

[peak solar]

same with the other raid units

[tawny burrow]

"would ruin his specialness in being limited🤓 "

[modest socket]

gilgamesh is literally the strongest of his verse LOL

[tawny burrow]

shirou victim or smth

[modest socket]

and saber is outdps him with excalibur

[blissful ivy]

That’s not even a good excuse too cuz u could get a skin for trade value😭

[tender flare]

they just wanted it like that i guess

[hollow saffron]

gilgamesh is a bum

he is only good in stealing illya heart

[peak solar]

blame aandrevious 😠

[wicked isle]

...

[tender flare]

it was confirmed to be kazi that made the decision to make gilgamesh exclusive

[tawny burrow]

andre and valk fighting for the worst designer title

[peak solar]

i cant blame kazi even if its their fault

for they will give us enkidu

[tender flare]

why are you lying

[tender flare]

valk isnt that bad of a balancer

[tawny burrow]

many far better ones in the community than him

[modest socket]

he is indeed he was literally a youtuber before, and he justs glazes dbz character because is his favorite anime.

[tawny burrow]

and jjk

[hollow saffron]

valk is the one behind a unit that is better unevo

[modest socket]

lets not talk about how GG and aot updates were balanced by him btw

[tawny burrow]

who would that be

[tender flare]

aot, sorta pvp, and gilgamesh familiar (i dont think it was a bad design)

[modest socket]

do u play pvp?

[tender flare]

yes

[hollow saffron]

valk when you ask him about the ackermans: 👀

[modest socket]

tspmo this guy gotta be rage baiting

[tender flare]

i do

[modest socket]

awful unit btw

[tender flare]

i play for pvp coins and cuz i have fun

[modest socket]

lets not talk about how none of the aot units were best with monarch LOL

[hollow saffron]

it guy is a weirdo

pvp and fun

[modest socket]

only zeke LOLLL

[tender flare]

pvp would be fine if they fixed queues and thats not an issue of the balancer

[modest socket]

getting the best trait in the game is bad on these units

[hollow saffron]

zeke is better alone than with eren and ymir

[peak solar]

pvp takes way too long

[modest socket]

dude queues are empty no one play that, u literally can only ban 6 characters then use the rest monarch wdym XDD

[blissful ivy]

That wouldn’t be a problem if they were actually good

[tender flare]

you can end it by the 2nd boss easily

[tawny burrow]

i dont think monarch being mandatory on everything is good design

[tender flare]

just ban their bleeds

[hollow saffron]

the ackermans have the worst unit design ever

[tawny burrow]

what does he do

[tender flare]

queues arent empty lmao

[modest socket]

ichialk

[tender flare]

i get into a match every 30sec-1min

[peak solar]

save the av society

[hollow saffron]

aot update was so good people leave the game

[modest socket]

aot update almost kill the game i didnt even touch that update LOL

[runic inlet]

they couldn't handle the peak that is the tournament units update

[modest socket]

i havent done a single legend stage of that map

[paper lodge]

give us gogeta familiar now

[peak solar]

akaza familiar

[tender flare]

people who complained about aot being hard aren’t very smart

[tawny burrow]

+2% damage take it or leave it

[modest socket]

20% more dmg

[tender flare]

aot killed the game cuz the updt was just bunz

[runic inlet]

I felt somebody say 30 in my bones... I have arrived to slow you by 30% for 20 seconds

[peak solar]

2 seconds..

all i need is 2 seconds..

[tawny burrow]

cha hae in vf when

[modest socket]

unless is a boss...

he be destroying bosses in less than 3 seconds.

[runic inlet]

dont even make me stun you for 2 seconds lil bro

[modest socket]

bosses finna walk out his range by the time the nuke starts btw

[peak solar]

it is pretty fun watching gilg spam attack 1 tho

on the other hand

[tawny burrow]

true

[peak solar]

the single target is killing me

[runic inlet]

I DIO OH will be a secret unit and I will slow enemies by 30% for 20 seconds

[modest socket]

funny part is i think dio oh is not even a vanguard

[tawny burrow]

what will you do to bosses though

[tender flare]

bro yes

it looks sick

[runic inlet]

Stun them for 2 seconds perhaps

[tawny burrow]

FIRE

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[runic inlet]

im okay with the single target i just hate the fact he gets animation locked and cant do aoe attacks for 30 seconds making you vulnerable to leaks

[tawny burrow]

like deadass

just let him attack other shit while the nuke is going

and itll be fine

[runic inlet]

he's just so inconvenient to use for a unit that excels in nothing

except slowing enemies by 30% for 20 seconds of course

[tawny burrow]

and the other game breaking feature

2s stun on bosses

[runic inlet]

[modest socket]

making support an solo unit is so wild bro

[tawny burrow]

dps unit getting support shit

like why

[runic inlet]

solo unit that gets locked into single target after using his ability and therefore needs assistance clearing enemies btw ✌️

[tawny burrow]

and not even damage buff support

its just

cc

bad cc

[runic inlet]

stun kinda makes sense cause chains of heaven or whatever but i cant help but laugh that him and stark are doing these 20 second slows

[modest socket]

crazy to think ur better off using gilgamesh without familiar just so he cant clear waves because nuke stuns him

[tawny burrow]

stun just makes sense to keep bosses in range for longer

[tender flare]

this a lil overexaggeration

[tawny burrow]

and its just a thing that affects bosses cause hes a boss killer and all that

like the stun is fine

but the slow?

[modest socket]

im fr, do an "hard" stage and try using his nuke so the other npcs go away like is nothing

[tender flare]

you can just

wait

for the boss to be the onyl enemy left

and then nuke him

[runic inlet]

in lb runs you probably are better off using him without familiar since hes used just for executing. If you wanna use his full aoe nuke to execute a large group of enemies then hes just gonna be nerfed with the familiar since he gets forced into single target right after and wont be able to hit more enemies and perform more executes

[tender flare]

his execute works on attack 1

it was tested

well

sorry wrong wording

its intended to work it may be bugged rn tho

tester said i dont rmb who

[tawny burrow]

blame aandre

[runic inlet]

i know his execute works on normal attacks, im saying that since with his vf he gets forced into single target for 30 secs after using his nuke you can make the argument that hes less effective at executing with his vf than without

[tender flare]

ohh i c

[runic inlet]

it's not really a huge difference since it's not like you NEED to use his nuke, but the idea that there's even an argument for a unit being better without its vanguard familiar than with is kinda insane

[remote field]

Yo how

[tender flare]

i mean

theres 0 argument

like if you just dont use his nuke i can see a world where he just does more damage without nukes on his familiar than with nukes without it

[covert needle]

Aizen aura passive thts how

[runic inlet]

im talking about in inf lbs where his dmg is irrelevant regardless and hes only used for execute passive

which in that scenario all you want out of gil is to be hitting as many enemies as possible as often as possible

but i dont rlly play lbs so idk

[tender flare]

yeah

and in that case

hmm

actually

yeah

his 30% slow does impede other ccs

[toxic igloo]

the only thing that id change would be removing the holy buff, idk why i even added it

[fierce pier]

this getting the toe

[dusty acorn]

Care very loud

[craggy merlin]

Ppl wanan buff a unit that already got a buff😭