Buff/Rework Gilgamesh's familiar and WE NEED VALENTINE (PASSION) VFAMILIAR

[remote orbit]

yea since they scammed out of time

[lofty dagger]

Oh yea

[flint crescent]

gilgamesh isnt considered by default unbound

[timid drift]

so gilg is just gonna be cast off as a shit unit oh my god😭😭

[lofty dagger]

The 2nd element thing

[topaz gate]

doesn't have unbound naturally

[karmic quail]

he ain't unbound by default

[chrome niche]

gilga doesnt have a natural unbound 💔

[modest prism]

Ruined the last hope I had

[lofty dagger]

Ok hes trash

[timid drift]

Gilgamesh of all characters

[astral willow]

If it’s not about trade value, and we’ve already established other limiteds won’t come back because they were event limited, as in you could only get them from an event and not some legend stage, why not bring him back

[tawny latch]

Whats the point in going for limited units if they will be powercrept and wont return to meta bc they cant recieve good vfamiliars.

[astral willow]

Considering he should never have been a limited.

[remote orbit]

yea

[astral willow]

And everyone who owns him, and the people who don’t own him, want him back

[remote orbit]

the OLD dev team did that

[tawny burrow]

And also the fact that a LOT of units rn are limited

[astral willow]

Which could pave the way for a double evo in the future

Why not do it

[hollow saffron]

how the hell it went from justice gilgamesh to asking for reruns

[topaz gate]

How is it established other limiteds won't come back?

If gilg comes back

[astral willow]

This is the easiest w

[timid drift]

cause gilg wasn’t an event unit

[topaz gate]

It's no longer established that "limited" truly means "limited".

[remote orbit]

bruh same guy who is hiding behind its limited when kaguya and escanor are both limited and top of broken

[timid drift]

ez

[astral willow]

They were event limited units, like plating, ragna, and Merlin, compared to a legend stage bum that took exactly an hour to get 2 of.

[tawny burrow]

So what

[ebon ridge]

honestly bringing toji and gilgamesh quests back aint gonna hurt anyone

[tawny burrow]

Devs are literally the only ones who care about that

[topaz gate]

Yes, and they released that way. Not being buffed long after people missed the unit. There's a VERY distinct difference.

[astral willow]

Nobody asking for a haruka rin rerun

She was battle pass limited

[timid drift]

oh noooo okarun and emilia might get rerun one day, WHO CARES😭

[astral willow]

Nobody asking for an okarun, ragna or Merlin rerun

They was event limited

[runic inlet]

it also defeats the point in bothering with these units since we know they're never going to get the same preferential treatment than non limiteds do. Genuinely why bother putting time and effort into a unit you know won't receive the same care and attention as an obtainable unit you can just go for any time

[remote orbit]

yea but you cant say hes meant to be bad when hes limited and other limited units are way better than him and way better than 99% of units

[astral willow]

Literally just bring back units that were never supposed to be exclusive to begin with

How is this bad

[wicked isle]

I see nothing wrong with bringing back "limited" units with an alternate method while also compensating pre-existing owners of the unit
AA did it wish Oshi years ago without any backlash whatsoever

[remote orbit]

yea as long as they compensate well i wouldnt mind at all

[wicked isle]

I especially dont think it matters much when the players themselves are the ones who want it to happen

[astral willow]

On top of this, if limiteds are never coming back no matter what, that confirms that a re zero update, dandadan update and others are never going to be added

Neither will double evolutions

Or special events

[wicked isle]

Like, a majority of the people here HAVE Gilgamesh, and we're totally fine with him losing the limited status and being obtained by other means

[remote orbit]

and thats just horrible

[astral willow]

Everyone with a brain and 3 seconds to think can see this is stupid

Just make him a secret

[tawny burrow]

I wouldnt see an issue with bringing back the limited units that arent part of any event like: gilga, diego, toji and theres probably more idk

[cursive mortar]

Seconded

[remote orbit]

and other games have rereleased limited units like AA, ALS and more

[tawny latch]

I don't think he's answering this, I mentioned the same thing.

[timid drift]

av tryna be different like always

[tight wind]

Fr

[timid drift]

😂

[astral willow]

You made the main antagonist of an entire series, that could bring future updates and double evos, an exclusive unit because of some idiotic trade value

And you made him garbage

What is the point of adding vanguard familiars to limtieds

[ebon ridge]

blame the old devs

[astral willow]

If they’re going to be garbage

[tawny latch]

"Trading will be added, but we won't make exclusives good!" Make it make sense other than "people don't want to trade."

[tawny burrow]

Trade value when theres not even trading in the game
Devs trying to decide trade value as if it isnt the players that are gonna be trading😂

[astral willow]

And if you say you want to save it for trading, nobody is trading for a garbage unit

[timid drift]

these new devs are doing the same thing by following what they did instead of doing what everyone wants

[hollow saffron]

it won't be happening if trading was already in game

[cursive mortar]

Yeah, trophy limited units are fine, but we've got over 100 now? It's ridiculous

[remote orbit]

i cant wait for the 5th death of av

[shy tartan]

value of exclusive unit when they are sucks and no use : 📉📉📉📉

[drifting wolf]

atp people will only trade for cosmetics

[remote orbit]

and then they realize for one month they have to listen to the community

and then after that month they go back to what they were doing

[astral willow]

Mid cosmetics aswell

[tawny latch]

The 5th death of AV followed by them listening to what the community wanted for its 5th revival, the cycle shall continue.

[tawny burrow]

Afk chamber vanguards

[drifting wolf]

true

[shy tartan]

shiny diego is good

[runic inlet]

i honestly have no idea what they were thinking making some of the most popular characters from their respective series be limited. All those units you just mentioned are so hype and have so much potential but got done dirty because aandrevious sucked at making passives, and now we know they're never gonna have a chance to be worth using again because "hurr durr muh limited unit cant breach submeta"

[remote orbit]

it always does

[hollow saffron]

i mean, for that they had give it a different shiny and no cosmetics

too much work for devs here

[cursive mortar]

Then don't even give it a shiny

Just re release the normal unit, lol

[remote orbit]

the devs are just lazy and dont want to fix what they cause

[ebon ridge]

trading will be added but units or skins arent gonna be used for trading instead its gonna be familiars with corruption 3 and max rolls 😂😂

[cursive mortar]

Any solution is better than this

[wicked isle]

They could just not give it a shiny yeah lol
Or even just make it a 1-1 copy, just with the secret rarity

[ebon ridge]

cant wait for our promised trading update

[remote orbit]

just change the current gilga to a secret and give those who had it before a limited version

[remote orbit]

coming in update 20

[hollow saffron]

they are taking way too much time in trading

[tawny burrow]

Or just a cosmetic/title
Literally anything

[hollow saffron]

for no reason

[remote orbit]

gonna take 2 more years, 8 deaths, 9 revivals and 14 different dev teams

[wicked isle]

Or alternatively as many other people mentioned, a cosmetic would be perfectly fine as a way to differentiate us

[ebon ridge]

yeah man i have so much unit space wasted by exclusive units waiting for trading😂 😂

[tawny burrow]

Trading in 15.0

[remote orbit]

i just sold them

[hollow saffron]

these devs are something with making stuff complicated for themselfs for no reason

[remote orbit]

trading is coming out never

[wicked isle]

We just dont want our boy or future VFs getting screwed because of a "limiteds should be bad" clause

[ebon ridge]

sacrificed to sjw and broly btw

[tawny burrow]

Theres more than enough to trade too

[remote orbit]

and most exclusives wont even have value

[cursive mortar]

Guys make me lead balancer, first thing I'll do is listen to what the people want and buff Gil vanguard to have MORE SLOW LET'S GOOOOOO

[ebon ridge]

and we will still have body suits for our unit models 🔥🔥

[remote orbit]

YEAA THATS WHAT WE ALL WANTED

[cursive mortar]

YEAH LET'S GET IT BOYS AND GIRLS

[remote orbit]

and then the games gonna go down for a year and say nothing

[ebon ridge]

follow ups with attack 2 or 3 and crits😂😂

[remote orbit]

wai

why does this sound familiart

i wonder

[timid drift]

who rlly cares about unit value unless they’re either

1 meta

Or 2 ultra rare, like als with only 20 shiny yutas

3 have a good design/shiny

[cursive mortar]

GILGA SLOW! GILGA SLOW! GILGA SLOW!

[wicked isle]

Also I dont know if we care enough but the "not the one to ask" tester unfollowed the thread

Think they got sick of us l o l

[remote orbit]

thank goodness

bro that guy was lwk braindead

[cursive mortar]

They've been arguing here for over 12 hours

[tawny burrow]

He js knows we're right

[remote orbit]

"unit is limited, it cant be good"

when kaguya, escanor and more exists

[tribal cove]

yall gon summon him back

[topaz gate]

[remote orbit]

bruh

[tribal cove]

w

[cursive mortar]

Give them a break

[wicked isle]

And they back

[tribal cove]

HE BaCKK

[runic inlet]

did somebody say slow?

[hollow saffron]

add trading bro ✌️

[wicked isle]

Who spilled the beans

[topaz gate]

Nah I just unfollowed it because I wanted to take a break from looking in here lmao

[cursive mortar]

YES!!!! GILGA SLOW SWEEP

[remote orbit]

2s stun btw

[wicked isle]

Fair fair

[topaz gate]

u did bro......

[cursive mortar]

#GILGASLOWSLEEP

[remote orbit]

i cant believe im actually playing als rn

[wicked isle]

As funny as this stuff is u should highkey take a break if you need to, we've all been here a long while kek

[remote orbit]

but atleast it will listen to community sometimes

[topaz gate]

Also, I just wanted to say, the solution of "just make gilg a secret instead of exclusive" does not solve the issue. It's literally the exact same problem as "just rerun the unit."

[runic inlet]

too op, nerf it 0.2 seconds

[wicked isle]

We're only human after alllll

[cursive mortar]

MORE SLOW

[tawny burrow]

Then rerun the unit

[tawny latch]

Now bro is just lying on main, boss studios only started listening after their game died.

[timid drift]

rerun the unit

[remote orbit]

ah yes the world ending attack does a 0.2 stun and heals the enemy

[timid drift]

everyone wants that lmao

even gilg owners

😭

[remote orbit]

atleast they did listen

[topaz gate]

I mean, I'm going to. At the end of the day, the familiar and unit likely aren't changing. It is what it is.

[remote orbit]

av bouta die again for the 100000th time

[tawny burrow]

Dumbass

[wicked isle]

I am curious as to why rerunning Gil or even just making him a permanently obtainable unit is a problem

[ebon ridge]

i swear i dont play als but didnt they also rerun yuta and no one complained?

[wicked isle]

I dont think any of us would object to that

[tawny latch]

Good, then I can get rerolls 🤑

[remote orbit]

they did

i think

[tribal cove]

yall do realize if one unit gets a rerun then everything will have to get one

[tawny burrow]

Because uhh limited uhh trade value uhh

[runic inlet]

and costs a lifestock

[hollow saffron]

because their trading system is so dogshit it didn't matter if yuta rerun or not

[remote orbit]

yea but we cant do that because trading will come out soon

soon is never btw

[tribal cove]

rs

[tawny burrow]

Everything thats not an event limited

[ebon ridge]

oh man im gonna crashout if okarun gets a rerun

[wicked isle]

Well, it's not a must
Many games have had situations like this and have been able to move on from em without any issues

[tawny burrow]

And thats fine

Shouldnt have been limited in the first place

[wicked isle]

Like, my main example is AA and Ai Hoshino/Idol

[remote orbit]

im gonna be so sad that my mimi comes back

[cursive mortar]

What if it gets a slow though

[remote orbit]

😭

[shy tartan]

Exclusive like ddd unit will have 0 value and haruka rin will have value = old vanguard

[tawny latch]

Can we just cancel trading and rerun units instead

[runic inlet]

perhaps a 20% slow this time?

[wicked isle]

Battlepass unit that everyone wanted to come back, she was added to the banner pool and the original owners had no issues with it

[tribal cove]

im ngl atp most i see them hurtin the most is only vanguard units a rerun

[remote orbit]

trading is and will be a dumb feature

[topaz gate]

lowkey, it's hella conspiracy theory, but I feel like they might not be allowed to or something as part of the old devs leaving. A contract like that sounds really fucking stupid, so I don't really believe in it that much, but it's a thought. Like a "you guys aren't allowed to change what we did with the units".

[remote orbit]

i dont see why they wouldnt

[topaz gate]

yes, thank you

[remote orbit]

the only thing trading would be good for is vanguards

[hollow saffron]

hell no

[remote orbit]

i hope vanguards never come back

[timid drift]

old devs contract that left?!

[hollow saffron]

let me get old exclusive units

[timid drift]

THE FUCK

[hollow saffron]

fuck you

[tawny burrow]

Rerun everything BUT event units
Meaning dont rerun wl or seasonal event units

[remote orbit]

since vanguards actually have value compared to every other exclusive

[timid drift]

they don’t even work on the game what say do they have

[topaz gate]

That's why I said it's just a conspiracy theory

[tribal cove]

i js wanna remind EVRYONE rq all the devs that left moved to aa when it came back

[hollow saffron]

people who are against trading will be the first ones to abuse it

[runic inlet]

Give me slow
Give me crits
Give me follow ups or i retire

[topaz gate]

It's the only other explanation I can think of aside from the implications with trading

[shy tartan]

why slow

[wicked isle]

Yeah, I see what you mean. It does sound a bit far-fetched, but I get why you’d think about it. Stuff like that could happen behind the scenes, even if it’s not too likely

[cursive mortar]

The issue here is yes, gil getting a rerun would set a precedent for rerunning limited units but 1: why is that bad? And 2: gil is the only limited unit who has received a lifter, and one that barely makes him usable this patch. Who knows what 9.0 will bring

[tawny latch]

Now were on the same page, can we make a suggestion on cancelling trading and doing reruns instead, or updates where the units gets an evolution 😇

[ebon ridge]

gimme extra element too atp

[shy tartan]

ok nvm slow is everything

[runic inlet]

because 50% slow

[remote orbit]

yea i will go tell a little child that gilga is worth his diavolo

[dusty acorn]

My fav tester. When seiko familiar ?

[hollow saffron]

you asking way too much now

[cursive mortar]

SIXTY PERCENT

[topaz gate]

16.7

[cursive mortar]

CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER

[tawny latch]

??? are we talking about the game that robbed everyone and didnt update since

[versed fox]

trading so important cuz i need choy and rengoku

[hollow saffron]

trading is always blamed for no reason

[dusty acorn]

AHHHHHH

[topaz gate]

god i wish

[tawny burrow]

+20% damage and gets debuffed when placed near anything

[tribal cove]

yep

[shy tartan]

+50% dmg , + 5% Burn dmg

[topaz gate]

I wish trading was never a thing

[runic inlet]

70% take it or leave it

[dusty acorn]

Damn Sounds better than her actual passive

[remote orbit]

devs would never do that becuase they need limited value for trading and trading is needed for limited value or some bs like that

[cursive mortar]

CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER

[versed fox]

yo this idea actually fire tho?

[dusty acorn]

Crazy that she is a raid unit and cid is also a raid unit

[tawny burrow]

See now youre saying smt that makes sensr

Like

[wicked isle]

If only man

[tawny burrow]

Either just dont do trading

[hollow saffron]

the fuck you mean make sense

[topaz gate]

I've never liked it lmao

[dusty acorn]

Even valentine is a better raid unit

[hollow saffron]

💀

[tawny burrow]

Or shouldve already released it

[shy tartan]

limited raid unit 💔

[tawny burrow]

Why are they waiting for so long bro

[cursive mortar]

Trading is a horrific idea this late in the game

[dusty acorn]

I still would love actual reworks instead of vfamiliars

[dusty acorn]

Sadge

[modest prism]

🥭gonna ruin trading anyways

[topaz gate]

But just because I disagree with it doesn't mean I can't see some of the justification in some things

[shy tartan]

fr just REWORK FUNNY VALENTINE BRO 😭😭💔💔

[tawny burrow]

Already has

[cursive mortar]

I accepted it for the jjk chars cause of dmca but this is laziness now

[runic inlet]

+20% dmg, -15% spa VS 50% slow for 20 seconds

[hollow saffron]

trading is a good and needed system to keep a game alive

✅

[cursive mortar]

Hard disagree

We just need more slows

[tribal cove]

ive seen enough of the av community we went from wanting trading to EVERYONE SAYIN YEA NO TRADING YEA

[runic inlet]

guilds more important with less potential to ruin the game icl

[dusty acorn]

Trading is never bad tho

[ebon ridge]

system with a pity for everything 😂😂

[dusty acorn]

Unless you are yba

[cursive mortar]

Hard disagree

[dusty acorn]

And cause 3 massive dupes

[hollow saffron]

guild is more irrelevant

why people are excited to that shit

[cursive mortar]

We just need more slows

[shy tartan]

somehow i have 2 subaru

[astral willow]

And more follow ups

[runic inlet]

we know you wanna trade for shiny seikos and create a monopoly bud 🥀

[ebon ridge]

dont diss yba i still have my unduped 2020 white tusk skin

[topaz gate]

anyways I'm gonna unfollow again and take a break for the day. go eat some food and play something else to have fun

[cursive mortar]

More crits

[hollow saffron]

you guys genually think it won't be just a mega damage farm shit

[wicked isle]

Yeahhhh but its gonna be lane seeing "TRADING: X X X FOR X X X!" being spammed everywhere huehuehue

[dusty acorn]

Cant wait for a tester guild to be top 1 🗣🙏

[runic inlet]

teamwork makes the dreamwork 😄

[wicked isle]

Peace peace and eat well fr fr

[cursive mortar]

Guys, if we slow the tester guild, we can surpass them

[runic inlet]

have fun bud ✌️

[cursive mortar]

We just need to slow!!

[hollow saffron]

i remember that drama with top leadaboard being full of testers

[astral willow]

And crit!

And do follow-ups!

[dusty acorn]

I loved it and played it back then a lot. But those devs were SO ASS

[cursive mortar]

THAT SLOW!!

[astral willow]

AND CRIT!

[cursive mortar]

Dude we should apply for the dev team, we're cooking

[slender kernel]

10k fucking messages not even been a day and we got 10k msgs from ppl arguing about a lego game 😭

[astral willow]

Ikr

[runic inlet]

"it's fair bro they have the same stuff as you guys, it's not like we know ins and outs of the game and how every core mechanic works bro"

[dusty acorn]

Lf overpay. "Not offering" "lemme ask my friend"

[cursive mortar]

You and me bro. You and me

[ebon ridge]

omd the skin update ruined everything even though i had rarest skin at that time 💔😭

[astral willow]

You and me twin, let’s make dio oh slow, stun, crit AND DO FOLLOW-UPS

[cursive mortar]

Guys get me and John to be lead testers. SLOWS FOR ALL!!!!

[wicked isle]

Yeahhh, not looking forward to it. Genuinely feels like all trading does is bring bad company to the game

[hollow saffron]

Trading pure choy
lf: used diavolo, not looking for anything else

[dusty acorn]

Wouldnt even be suprising if the same shi happens with guilds. But lets see, guilds aint even out yet, so I cant cope

[runic inlet]

cant wait for trading to come out so I can craft a long convoluted trading shop message to spam in the trading channel and get like 40 dms with "tell me offer"

[faint swift]

the av trading scene is dead the moment someone makes a "trading value list"

[remote orbit]

trading haruka rin for 7 diavolos

[cursive mortar]

Wait no I like kamu1. LEAD BALANCER, LET'S GET THOSE SLOWS ROLLING

[runic inlet]

lf offer

[dusty acorn]

"Flodding isnt allowed" (banned)

[runic inlet]

lf offer

[modest prism]

1 coin for 7 monarch

[cursive mortar]

If overpay

[wicked isle]

And people have already been making bot accounts since the spring event too, it's gonna be a bot-pocalypse

[runic inlet]

lf 50% slows

[remote orbit]

just like anime defenders

[cursive mortar]

Can we slow the bots?

[wicked isle]

Maybe if they buff Gil's slow

k e k

[runic inlet]

we need a full map slow ability asap

[dusty acorn]

Tbf lets see how ass the tl is gonna be. I would love if the devs could tell us how many copies some specific units have

[runic inlet]

30% for 20 seconds pls

[ebon ridge]

what if we all do a monopoly with shiny ddd units and make them the same value as diavolo

[cursive mortar]

He can follow up with a bottle only slow attack

[dusty acorn]

"MB I already found a better trade"

[modest prism]

Thats little too high😔 25% slow with follow up attack every Tuesday when wether is rainy

[cursive mortar]

Crit?

[dusty acorn]

"Sends in the diavolo nty videos"

[modest prism]

-50% but it will do a little dance before attacking

[cursive mortar]

Good

I think if we just bump Gil's slow to 70% everyone will be happy

[runic inlet]

trading from quetzalcoatl to shiny diavolo (Part 30)

[faint swift]

a cc needs to become the watashi ruby of av trading and manipulate the values of the ddd units

[modest prism]

Noob to pro with only trading(100% real insane luck) MUST WATCH

[cursive mortar]

Guys can we keep the topic relevant? Talk about monopolising Gilgamesh please

Let us players give him the respect none of the devs ever have

[runic inlet]

gilgamesh gonna be up there with shiny diavolo and shiny seiko because he does 30% slow for 20 seconds on normal enemies ngl

[cursive mortar]

#GILGAMESHSLOWSWEEP

[modest prism]

Take over the av🗣🗣

[dusty acorn]

Bro I just realised

[cursive mortar]

THEY GONNA NEED ICHIGA TO SAVE THEIR SOCIETY ONCE WE'RE THROUGH

[dusty acorn]

They gonna Touch seikos cosmetic or?

[modest prism]

Someone hack into av and give gilga 75% slow🙏🏻🙏🏻

[wicked isle]

Ykw

[cursive mortar]

Y'all if i had the people or experience I'd make the most definitive td game

[wicked isle]

100% slow

[cursive mortar]

On roblox

Completely f2p

[runic inlet]

yea its gonna be neon green with red sparkles flying off it 50 different directions

[wicked isle]

Just perma freeze em

[cursive mortar]

Everyone has slow

[shy tartan]

100% slow

[cursive mortar]

Gilgamesh gets respect on his name

[dusty acorn]

Let that be her shiny

[faint swift]

awtd already exists bro ✌️

[cursive mortar]

Better than awtd

[runic inlet]

in anime vanguards, every unit does 30% slow for 20 seconds

[cursive mortar]

(I'd put slows on all my units)

[wicked isle]

LOL

The fuckin NK girl

[runic inlet]

[modest prism]

I dont even want to do clear 25 stages after seeing passive

Im tired boss

[runic inlet]

spare yourself the misery

[cursive mortar]

Rerolls

[dusty acorn]

Play league of legends instead

[tawny burrow]

Rrs

[dusty acorn]

[wicked isle]

Nah

Pokemon Unite

For true suffering

[modest prism]

I have been doing same shit for past 2 weeks no more

[faint swift]

do your av chores or suffer in hell

[drifting wolf]

it CANNOT be worse than lol with chat on

[runic inlet]

do your av chores or get slowed by 30% for 20 seconds

[dusty acorn]

I endured the dan da dan update. I can rest for 8171817 Updates

[modest prism]

Av need to improve late game 😔

[wicked isle]

Def not worse in terms of community and the chat but uhh

[faint swift]

does it apply to bosses? 👀

[tawny burrow]

No they get a 2s stun

[wicked isle]

The matchmaking will make you want to pull your hair out, dip your toes in hot oil, then use tweezers to pull out all your nails

[runic inlet]

no you will receive a 2 second stun instead 💔

[wicked isle]

Cuz Pokemon Unite players dont know how to play the game and that is a fact

[faint swift]

ima have to go with the slow then 🔥

[dusty acorn]

Try jungle in league of legends

[wicked isle]

I play both LOL and PU

[drifting wolf]

gotta be maso to play it

[wicked isle]

And PU is still the worse experience for me by far

At least in LOL a majority of the players you match with will know the fundemenetals AT LEAST

[drifting wolf]

league actually is fine if u play only casually like arena and aram

[wicked isle]

In PU, expect little timmy 1, 2, 3, and 4 as your teammates

[drifting wolf]

sr is cancer

[wicked isle]

While being matched against a trio and duo queue combined

[stiff crystal]

pokemon unite downfall happened when they added glaceon

[remote field]

We ogs get shit

[neat widget]

Literally no reason for me to use gilgamesh

and he does not even target cid in his raid

holy buns

[stiff crystal]

set him to strongest

[karmic quail]

yeah then after that they can give gilgamesh a GOOD familiar!

[karmic quail]

NP stack attack apparently doesn't follow priority 🥀

[runic inlet]

it does i was wrong

[karmic quail]

bru

[runic inlet]

still locks you out of doing aoe attacks which means you cant defend while they're active lol

[lofty dagger]

Funny bc goku does slow

[modest prism]

Are there any actual chances of his familiar being buffed

[lofty dagger]

Prob not

[runic inlet]

why would they

he can slow by 30% for 20 seconds

[stiff crystal]

no

[modest prism]

Feedback ---> improvement, I learned it somewhere idk

[modest prism]

Gosh I will love to slow

[dull badger]

yall wasted a vfam by voting on gilga

[lofty dagger]

Could have been on pweeny 💔

[dull badger]

would also be shit

anyone but not an exclusive unit

[astral willow]

Elite ball reference

[tawny burrow]

If kazi escapes the basement

[stiff crystal]

-6 dmg

[modest prism]

I will never understand whats the problem with exclusive like 2 vanguards are literally quest new gen can use them 🥀

[astral willow]

Bc trading bro

Gilgamesh and his value of 0

Trust

[tawny burrow]

✅

[astral willow]

Btw go buff the familiar we should increase the slow to 50%

😭

[tawny burrow]

TRUE

[astral willow]

That way he’ll be a slightly better weather report upscale

Starkk and Gilgamesh are deadass weather report upscale bro

[tawny burrow]

Lowk tho that actually would make him better cause

[astral willow]

Shit is a tragedy

[tawny burrow]

Yeah

[modest prism]

Worrying about shit that dont even exist but probably wont fix 🥭 ruining trading

[tawny burrow]

It already has ruined it

[dull badger]

either way the av community would still be mad if it would be shit or op

[tawny burrow]

Nothing has value except a few units

[astral willow]

Nobody would be mad if he was upper meta bro

[modest prism]

I dont think anybody complain if he was atleast gojo level

[astral willow]

Wouldn’t be the best but would be good for like 2 uodates

All we asking for ehre

[astral willow]

Here

[runic inlet]

those who know

[tawny burrow]

Not even gojo level just

Make him good

[dull badger]

people would still complain im 100% sure

[wicked isle]

Especially since there'd be multiple, stronger, currently obtainable units that the newbies could use that would be better than Gil regardless

[modest prism]

Whoever making these gifs need more appreciation

[runic inlet]

its me ngl

im losing my mind

[modest prism]

What will even they complain about🙏🏻

[modest prism]

Aw need a hug my king or gilga buff

[runic inlet]

what pitying for monarch on gilgamid does to a mf

[dull badger]

not doing a rerun for gilga

[modest prism]

I got monarch on him yesterday ✌🏻

[woeful basin]

they would

[astral willow]

Feel bad for you mfs

[stiff crystal]

the fucking gilg owners want a rerun too

😭

[astral willow]

They fr bamboozled the entire community by making all previous vf good as shit

[modest prism]

Why would anyone want him if he is not even top of the list

[woeful basin]

everyones gonna complain abt unob exclusives getting buffs

[astral willow]

And then releasing this steaming pile of shit

[woeful basin]

w bait

[modest prism]

Literally every player just straight up ask top 5 units and start grinding for them

[astral willow]

200 stars in the spam of 20 hours

Nothing will change

Actually that’s a lie

We’re gonna gove him a follow up

That applies slow.

[woeful basin]

do u play td games to only get the strongest units

[runic inlet]

maybe a guaranteed critical hit too

[woeful basin]

then close the game till upd IF it releases a good new unit

[karmic quail]

even that would make him better

[astral willow]

Deadass what I did during the aot one

Shit wasn’t even worth grinding

[woeful basin]

thats difftho

aot is so tedious

the entire upd was just tedious

[astral willow]

Worst part is I like what they did w the units

[karmic quail]

aot i just grinded for the 2hu units then i grinded rrs

[astral willow]

It was unique and all

But there was nothing hard abt it

[karmic quail]

just tedious

[astral willow]

And the map path designs are shit

Why can’t we have something like underground church

[timid drift]

not a single reroll was spent during aot update for me ☠️

[astral willow]

Everything is a straight line with 1 loop

It’s so ass

Same w hill of swords

What is this shitass pathing

[karmic quail]

i rolled on arcueid 😭 (i love arcueid so i got her shiny monarch full MAX godly)

[astral willow]

I’ve yet to get a single aot unit

I’ll prolly grind for them tho since I got nun else to do and midgamesh is mid

[timid drift]

this is glaze bro

[modest prism]

I must be blind but I dont see anything else in the game

[karmic quail]

i got kenny then just never got the others

welp i did get the others

[astral willow]

Deadass never bothering to get that familie

[karmic quail]

but not on that update

got a random ass shiny eren

[astral willow]

Ima js get the free trait rrs

[karmic quail]

he looks homeless vro

[upbeat bronze]

dw the saber familiar will be OP!!!

[karmic quail]

la passione

[astral willow]

Where’s the slow.

[karmic quail]

this would so fire

imma try suggesting my own one

[astral willow]

Nah this familiar ass

[upbeat bronze]

mb i forgot her 30% slow

[astral willow]

Where the slow

And the crit

Cmon bro

[woeful basin]

erm

that makes exaclibur a lil too frequent

[karmic quail]

On placement inflicts Slow (30%)

[woeful basin]

💔

[karmic quail]

yes

WE are spamming ekusukalibar

[astral willow]

Gilgashits stench aura makes everything recoil in disgust and slows them by 30%

[karmic quail]

💀

[upbeat bronze]

thats the point

excalibur spam familir

[astral willow]

The poor bosses being bigger in size have to take more of it in so they get stunned instead

[woeful basin]

thenthe dmg is too high no?

[astral willow]

Would literally make her top 1 dps in inf

[karmic quail]

excalibur dmg decreases to +50%

[woeful basin]

atleast bump it down to like 200%

[karmic quail]

there

fixed

[astral willow]

Considering you can save 2 mil yen and just spam and replace her

[viral reef]

I think that's the point

[karmic quail]

her current is 900% 😭

[upbeat bronze]

the numbers are just random

[karmic quail]

current excalibur is 900% total

[upbeat bronze]

they obv wont do 250%

for a familiar as strong as that

[astral willow]

You right bro

[karmic quail]

i ABSOLUTELY love my saber

she carried me for so long

[astral willow]

Saber getting a MASSIVE 50% dmg buff

[dim lintel]

Yess

[astral willow]

And the MANDATORY 30% slow

[dim lintel]

buff gilgamesh vf and add saber vf

[astral willow]

And you can’t forget the follow-ups

[dim lintel]

my two monarchs 🥹

[astral willow]

That apply stun

[karmic quail]

they should make

excalibur deal

slow (900%)

instead of the current 900% dmg

[astral willow]

Ur so right

Cuz that’s unique bro

[karmic quail]

and change her dmg to slow

[karmic quail]

yeahh

gilgamesh buff: "deals no dmg but inflicts slow instead"

👍

[astral willow]

Btw should I roll on Igris or save for upd 9

[karmic quail]

roll on jon

[astral willow]

I was excited for doom slayer

[karmic quail]

[astral willow]

But knowing this valk bum he’s gonna slow.

[karmic quail]

yeah

[astral willow]

And I was excited for dio oh

[karmic quail]

dio oh is going to

SLOW

[astral willow]

But again, knowing this valk bum he’s gonna slow AND stun

So idek anymore

[dim lintel]

i mean

technically

he could do that

[astral willow]

Guess I’ll just save and if they mid I’ll spin on Griffith

Still don’t have an Escanor btw

Shit gotta be studied

[dim lintel]

lock in bruh

[karmic quail]

watch griffith get a buff

that makes him inflict MORE slow

[soft jetty]

this way too broken

[astral willow]

I’m 8k away in js lazy

[woeful basin]

hollow knight unit!!!

slows with silk for 40%

dps total of 20k on a good day

[dim lintel]

can we let kazi do fate familiarsd

[woeful basin]

ts is peak

[dim lintel]

like pls

[woeful basin]

no

[dim lintel]

yes bro

itll be so good

[woeful basin]

no

[dim lintel]

[hollow saffron]

kazi was the one who give gilga the slow and stun

[dim lintel]

Yes thats good

[astral willow]

Cap

[astral willow]

Valk js be saying shit to deflect

[dim lintel]

valk needs to go back to awtd

[astral willow]

Either way idc who did it

Revert it and rework the familiar

Make it owos version

[dim lintel]

Yes bro

[astral willow]

Shit is 100x better than whatever we got

[dim lintel]

owo is so goated

[astral willow]

Actually play into his passives

[dim lintel]

he said he got a monarch in general

so i got hope and rolled monarch on cid in 6 rr

[astral willow]

Nice

Nah I’m chilling with my monarchs

I got a good team with good synergies rn

Was gonna roll on broly but he’s mid

[dim lintel]

Hes not mid

[astral willow]

Got him deadeye as well so idc

[neat widget]

yeah best unit in the game is mid

[dim lintel]

whats all ur monarchs

[astral willow]

Guts does his dps and his ability only lasts 15 waves

[dim lintel]

💀

[neat widget]

does not

mine does 339k dps

at peak

[astral willow]

He stays in peak for like 3 waves gang.

[dim lintel]

500k dmg 3x crit dmg full aoe 😲

[astral willow]

Normal he does like 200k which is what guts does

[dim lintel]

• rupture

[astral willow]

For 3 waves.

Then it resets down

[dim lintel]

u might be coping about not having broly

Monarch

[astral willow]

He’s not bad by any means

I js don’t think he’s allat

And my team has better synergies

[neat widget]

then when its over he does 178k dps

still more than guts

[astral willow]

Guts does that tho

And repulse and bleed

[neat widget]

no

alr gang argue with a wall

[astral willow]

He does abt 120/150k if you max out stacks and passives he does about 170k and if you pair him with sukunas cleave it does more

This js true gang

[neat widget]

the only downside to that is if ur doing infinite

[astral willow]

How much does broly monarch do crit dmg wise

Without ability

[neat widget]

if ur doing any other stage broly is so much better

[neat widget]

178k dps

[dim lintel]

how much does broly do without his main ability/damage source

[astral willow]

Why would I use anyone other than kaguya in anything that isn’t inf

[dim lintel]

omg..

[astral willow]

Yeah bc it lasts 15 waves bro

How much is he doing naturally after that

[neat widget]

which is the whole game

[dim lintel]

ur not using him in inf nor anything else

for rifts u use it on wave 6

[astral willow]

15 waves is not the whole game

[dim lintel]

john do u play wl lb

[astral willow]

I use my team in inf bro

Obviously he’s meh for inf

[dim lintel]

let me see ur team

[astral willow]

That’s my whole point

In anything else why would I use anyone other than kaguya

[neat widget]

bro basing of how good a unit is on infinite lol

[astral willow]

Nah too tedious but I imagine he’s great in that

[neat widget]

alr gang

[astral willow]

Well yeah it’s the hardest game mode

[dim lintel]

Nah griffith best griffith is king

i love griffith…

[astral willow]

Super vegeta clears 90% of the stages alone bro

By your logic he’s the best unit in the game

Obviously he’s good in worldlines

[neat widget]

smh

keep saying bs

[dim lintel]

best av update

[astral willow]

Someone’s pressed their only monarch isn’t allat

[neat widget]

only?

this dummy

i have monarch guts

thats why i can say that

[astral willow]

Vsjw/guts/gojo/sukuna/kaguya and i switch between mori/broly or weather report

[neat widget]

literally evergame mode i use the 2 broly does more damage

even if i upgrade guts first

[astral willow]

Still figuring out which one to use for slot 6 ngl

[dim lintel]

why vsjw

Oh wait

monarch roght

[astral willow]

Cuz he’s the best inf unit

[dim lintel]

or deadeye

[astral willow]

Best unit in general since I can just spam the bear

[astral willow]

Depends what I’m feeling

I got both

[fallen lance]

Guys I don’t think they gonna buff or rework it…

[neat widget]

Bro mad cuz he only got deadeye on him

[neat widget]

they should

[neat widget]

i dint wait 5 days for him to be mid

[fallen lance]

They made a poll so

[astral willow]

I got 1.6k rrs I could get monarch easily

I js don’t think he’s allat gang

[neat widget]

ur loss then

[astral willow]

He’s not that great for inf bc his only buff lasts for 15 waves and everything else I got kaguya

[dim lintel]

Yeah diego better

[neat widget]

getting monarch on him was a w decision for me

[astral willow]

Realistically what’s the point

[dim lintel]

fr

[astral willow]

Good for you

I got kaguya

She does what he does for all the waves but better

[neat widget]

cool

[astral willow]

Although for wl he is goated

[neat widget]

alr bud

[dim lintel]

i wouldnt say better but i did not have to hit pity on kaguya

so i will not say she is bad

had to hit pity on broly

[neat widget]

kaguya goated but broly better

u dont even have both of them monarch and u think u can talk on it

[astral willow]

This guy gotta be smooth brained

[neat widget]

says the person that said broly is mid

[astral willow]

I have kaguya monarch and I can get broly monarch whenever I want

Your argument for broly being the best is that he clears 15 wave modes easily

[neat widget]

get him monarch then u can talk

[astral willow]

Which is a fair argument until you realize every unit in the game

Clears 15 we’ve modes

[neat widget]

15 waves 20 waves 30 waves

[astral willow]

Easily.

[neat widget]

broly is better

[astral willow]

Kaguya does it too

[neat widget]

ok she is still not better

[astral willow]

Why do I need broly monarch

[neat widget]

u dont need him monarch

[astral willow]

Ok sure but he’s bad in inf and she isn’t

Whole point is that

[neat widget]

dont trash on him when u dont have him monarch

[neat widget]

ok thats not what ur saying

[astral willow]

Not trashing on him he just isn’t allat

You’re pressed bc I said a unit isn’t allat

😭

[neat widget]

ur saying she is a better unit in general bc of inf

[neat widget]

im not pressed jit

ur just saying dumb shit

[remote field]

Al's Gilgamesh is more Gilgamesh than ts

[neat widget]

and i am correcting you on ur dumb shit

[last blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208121918855577700/1423194919115423825/2d418c0bb7d549f7a65cdf4b70f8ca6c.gif

[neat widget]

very

[woeful basin]

er

we doknow that hes the best unit itg right

or am i just getting ragebaited by slow people

[stiff crystal]

what

[astral willow]

My metric for best unit is being able to perform is every game mode at a good level

He js doesn’t do that for inf

[woeful basin]

so

[topaz heath]

update

[woeful basin]

one singular mode

makes him mid?

[topaz heath]

its not blacklisted

alr

[astral willow]

Not mid js not the best in my opinion

I still think vsjw is the overall best unit in the game

Atleast his monarch version

Since he can perform at a high level in every single game mode

Compared to broly that’s good in raids/etc but realistically mid in inf

[woeful basin]

also broly does perform good in inf

[astral willow]

Ion think this is that hard of a thing to understand

[wise heart]

With deadeye kinda

But normally u bring nukes

[astral willow]

He does good dmg but there are other units with the same/similar dmg amounts that have better synergies

This is just true

Basic example of this would be Escanor

[tight wind]

There is no update or sneak

[astral willow]

Who does similar/higher dmg and synergies with kaguya who does similar dmg to broly

[blissful ivy]

Sukuna

[woeful basin]

kaguya does not do similar dmg to broly

[astral willow]

Sukuna aswell

[astral willow]

Doesn’t she deal like 125k dps at peak

And considering I know how to play her I can keep her at that easily

[woeful basin]

at peak do we mean

sukuna tengen?

and water and blast

[astral willow]

Nah js her peak in general

[woeful basin]

err#

from my memory

like 700k or something

[astral willow]

She does like 500k without any elements at peak dmg every like 6 seconds

540k more like

That’s without any elemnts

Considering i bring a sukuna and a weather report usually

She does like 600/700k which is similar to broly while also buffing those units

Not even including buffs from weather report and others

[woeful basin]

broly does like 700k per atk cause of follow up to a pretty good aoe

[astral willow]

Like broly is good bet he’s not the best in the game imo

Still goes to vsjw imo

[woeful basin]

vsjw just feels outdated to me

[blissful ivy]

U mean in infinite?

[woeful basin]

his scaling summons are good but thats the only thing

[astral willow]

In general

Monarch vsjw can js spam bear

[blissful ivy]

That’s just completely wrong😭

[tawny burrow]

Lowk
Removing the damage reduct for units in his range,
Allowing him to attack while the single target nuke is going,
And buffing the slow to 50% would save gilga

[astral willow]

How is this wrong

Js bear spam

Ima go now bye bye

[tawny burrow]

He wouldnt be broken but he'd be back in the meta

[woeful basin]

the only units id accept over broly is like

sukuna

maybe a gogeta glaze team

[modest socket]

gogeta glaze team be like 600-700k dps (super not ssj4)

[woeful basin]

higher

[modest socket]

nah because of farm sadly

it might be higher with high chilli familiar with corruption 3 maybe

[woeful basin]

yeah

and just get a deadeye vanguard gogeta

[modest socket]

but corruption is an scam and i hate them

[woeful basin]

🗣️

[fallen lance]

True

[last blaze]

my goat

[jaunty juniper]

better slow than gilgamesh lol

[paper lodge]

alligater solos gilgamesh

[jaunty juniper]

easy

alligator vanguard soon

[runic inlet]

this is the only team im using now for everything

[neat widget]

dookie team

[runic inlet]

[woeful basin]

whos the 3rd one

what

[runic inlet]

saber

[violet haven]

saber tourney skin

[civic yoke]

Holy 10k

[warm sky]

hi

[civic yoke]

Hello

[sick cypress]

Finally a Tester that doesn't blindly glaze AV?

[winter mantle]

close this channel

[stiff crystal]

no

keep the memes going

[viral reef]

just realized how insane ragna would've been if gilg buffed holy units

[weak knot]

cid familiar when?

[topaz heath]

black spirit is pretty much a vanguard familiar without being a vanguard familiar lol

i mean hes pretty ass without it

[runic inlet]

newgen vanguards

[weak knot]

cid familiar when?

[weak knot]

fr

[hollow saffron]

give him a vf that give black spirit buff with extra buffs

[weak knot]

game mostly cares abt sucking up to new players that will probs leave in 1 or 2 upds rather than focusing on the loyal playerbase

[topaz heath]

honestly, this + 2x swaps + damage percentage when is perfect when he gets powercrept into terrible

hes good rn

well not top meta but good

[weak knot]

honestly

hes very niche

his john smith version is only good in cid raids

and his shadow version is only good in inf

[hollow saffron]

i wonder considering is 2 units in one the vf will have exclusive buff for one form

[topaz heath]

hes a good boss killer

but like

kaguya exists

[hollow saffron]

like john smith can stun bosses for 3 seconds and cid do a mini nuke every certain attacks

[topaz heath]

she one shots like every boss besides like rifts

[topaz heath]

fuck john smith

[weak knot]

pretty much any nuke one shots bosses

[hollow saffron]

hop off john smith

[topaz heath]

his only role is do his 6x nuke and swap

[terse ginkgo]

Best nuke in the game by the way

[topaz heath]

useless bum

[topaz heath]

well technically

his nuke is better in inf

butttttt

[terse ginkgo]

Still not better than John Smith

If we’re talking infinite

[topaz heath]

yeah but like

[runic inlet]

newgen glaze simulator

[topaz heath]

kaguyas nuke is better in every single other mode

[weak knot]

fr

[terse ginkgo]

Sometimes I still bring Smith for tournaments

[topaz heath]

because of cid

[hollow saffron]

mf still use him after 50 years

[weak knot]

if you see hes ass then why dont you agree he needs a vf

not js black spirit

[tall fiber]

they make 200 reroll rewards for returning players and new players but not ones who have been sticking to the game

[topaz heath]

hes not ass

[terse ginkgo]

He doesn’t really need a familiar

[topaz heath]

john smith is ass

[weak knot]

welp when they go back to 6k players theyll start sucking up to the remaining ones

[topaz heath]

cid isnt ass

[weak knot]

only good thing abt cid is his full aoe

without smith hes mid

[topaz heath]

all map nuke

[weak knot]

50% dmg

[topaz heath]

uh

you know it stacks right

[weak knot]

yk he needs smith for that right?

[topaz heath]

yeahhh

[weak knot]

so then how is smith ass

[topaz heath]

but thats the only thing smith is useful

[weak knot]

then only thing they need to do to make cid good

is buff both of their dmg

[topaz heath]

smith is literally nuke swap nuke swap

[weak knot]

and make smiths dmg stack not reset

[topaz heath]

cid is like the main guy

[weak knot]

after swapping

[topaz heath]

if it goes down after 40s

sure

balanced

[runic inlet]

game is dying when these dmca free model updates start coming anyway cause newgens are braindead and will just jump to a new game when they see it's not 1:1 🥀

[drifting wolf]

i wish

[weak knot]

no

theres no reason for it to go down

[drifting wolf]

i lowkey prefer when game is dying because atleast they start listening to the remaining players

[topaz heath]

40% every 30s

lasts 30s

mean

[weak knot]

i think we are on abt 2 different things

[topaz heath]

mbdy

[weak knot]

i meant his passive

not his 40% dmg mb

[topaz heath]

oh

you mean

yeah

[runic inlet]

ngl im getting dio oh and if the rest of the content in upd 9 is mid im taking a long break from av

[topaz heath]

ill take a long break regardless of how good it is

[weak knot]

fr

[topaz heath]

ill be having tests in 3 weeks

so yeah

[weak knot]

glgl

[topaz heath]

sorry av, no time

LOL

[weak knot]

only thing that saves av

is a good odyssey rework

co op

saves

etc

good rewords

or bring back paragon

with rr

[runic inlet]

i've been burnt out since upd 8.5 released and i was already thinking about taking a break during upd 8

[topaz heath]

ive been asking for coop for so fucking long

current co op is terrible

you dont need to co op at all

and its just usually for mvp rewards

[weak knot]

fr

[runic inlet]

mvp slop

bring 2 alts or fuck everyone else in your game over simulator

[topaz heath]

[sick cypress]

Time to play actual games, so you can detox

[topaz heath]

ghost of yotei right here boys

[remote orbit]

im still mad they did gilga this bad bro

[remote orbit]

yea and it really sucks

[lime sun]

No

Doesnt need a buff

Its good as it is, just cause it got a vanguard familiar doesnt mean it has to be in the upper meta / surpass most units instantly

[astral willow]

This has been debated during the whole thread gang

We are not restarting this

Read.

[robust heath]

[astral willow]

Gilgagoat turned into gilgashit

[lime sun]

idc

im allowed to speak on the thread

therefore i will

if you dont wanna speak, then dont, simple solution to your problems

it would be best that way anyways

[toxic igloo]

who’s gonna tell him

[tawny burrow]

Mfs making shit up and saying that it shouldnt happen

Like NO ONE said he needs to be upper meta and surpass everyone

But hes not in ANY meta

[astral willow]

Deadass should js rework it and make it yours

100 times better than the shit we got

[remote field]

Ngl dude we apply for something u got the imagination and talent to make stuff that people would actually like

[lime sun]

um yea he is?

[stiff crystal]

lol

[remote field]

What meta

[modest socket]

what meta meta for having the worst familiar atm

wdym meta dawg

[lime sun]

on the tier list

where else

hes not even bad he has like a 13mil nuke

u cant expect every vanguard familiar to be tantamount to sukunas or whatever

theyre not the same

[modest socket]

single target, that takes more than the ability itself cooldown to charge

what mode ur using gilgamesh

[lime sun]

i dont even have him

well i do on my alt but sitll

[toxic igloo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1255541150144532571/1423146374341595287/image.png?ex=68dfe898&is=68de9718&hm=daead3acaca7b247a56511ce64dbe5cb6d60ad70056185cf711ab4be301259c5&

this?

[modest socket]

he sucks LOL

[lime sun]

ok? whats ur point

if hes bad let him be bad

js say ur greedy

[modest socket]

why u saying he meta tho

[lime sun]

cuz hes on the meta list maybe

[modest socket]

i cant even say what i want to say because i can get banned

[lime sun]

exactly

[modest socket]

name an activity that ur going to bring him