Buff/Rework Gilgamesh's familiar and WE NEED VALENTINE (PASSION) VFAMILIAR

[runic inlet]

all jokes guys

[tribal cove]

this whole suggestion is js literaly a warzone of who thinks they right

[runic inlet]

[rustic valley]

Honestly Devs should do this for every limited unit
I need my 100rr

[tawny burrow]

And not be cornballs 24/7

[fallen mantle]

im just laughing hard

LOL

[wraith mesa]

having an ego is not part of your job btw

[topaz gate]

The secret is that nobody's in the right

[tribal cove]

i heard alucard vanguard familiar coming soon am i correct?

[tawny burrow]

Theyre paid to glaze

[fallen mantle]

i mean, it is kinda?

[stiff crystal]

no

lol

[tribal cove]

it was a joke .

[runic inlet]

are testers even paid?

[stiff crystal]

That was no joke

[tawny burrow]

Idk ask them

[tribal cove]

its the friends we made along da way

[swift hawk]

It’s always like that or at least they glaze to hopefully one day get a position for there glaze to then get money

[dim trench]

😭

@fallen mantle we know u glazing to get promoted twin 🤣

[tribal cove]

i think we can all agree on something

500 rrs for all and we forget abt all this drama right guys?

[karmic quail]

testers are paid just to leak out everything 👍

[fallen mantle]

no bro

[swift hawk]

Sure

[karmic quail]

vanguard evo for gil.

[modest prism]

Im in

[dim trench]

sorry

[karmic quail]

then i'll forget all about this

[swift hawk]

But we won’t get 500 rr

Bc the devs are all b

[tribal cove]

OOOO

[stiff crystal]

ofc we’re not

thats too much

[fallen mantle]

get back to g2h now

[tribal cove]

u right

1k rrs

[woeful basin]

200 rrs and this doesnt exists anymore

[dim trench]

[woeful basin]

the vf would be perfect

[karmic quail]

if they add a vanguard evo for gilgamesh and still make his familiar work on that vanguard i'll forget about this

make him OP for updates to come

[swift hawk]

Hell nah 300 bare minimum

[runic inlet]

just add a visual indicator for np stacks, make gilgamesh np attacks target the same enemies as him and make it so he can at least do his normal attacks while doing single target attacks im not asking for buffs here im asking for fixes and tweaks PLEASE

[stiff crystal]

they cant do that

[stray laurel]

Let me tell you all the hole story
first there is game poll war "gilgamesh/gogeta" then gilgamesh won after , 7 days game gave us the familiar
and we thought the familiar will be op but no , it's not good then players who wanted the familiar and the team who lost gogeta familiar for nothing are mad rn . 😭

[karmic quail]

yeah ik its a joke

[stiff crystal]

They’ll have to rerun him and that would ruin his “value”

[tight wind]

delete gilgamesh and make him a secret no one cares about him anyway

[tawny burrow]

Also replace that slow with some other status effect or just remove it entirely

[karmic quail]

atp just make an event to make him obtainable again but all the previous owners are compensated with 250 rrs n shiny gil

[tribal cove]

they both decent tbh

[tawny burrow]

What value bro nobody wants this dude💔

Do the devs even play their own game

[karmic quail]

then make the obtainable gil unable to be shiny

👍

[runic inlet]

tethered makes more sense and is barely seen on any units

[karmic quail]

gil with upgraded tethered 👀

[tribal cove]

gilga with insta kill hits

sound better

[runic inlet]

hes gonna be slow merchant for life like stark sorry bud ✌️

[tawny burrow]

One's with a vf other is not

[stiff crystal]

Gilg nerfing himself when he sees people

[tribal cove]

real

[karmic quail]

make him win the match on placement

[runic inlet]

gil nerfing himself when someone breathes on him

[stray laurel]

oh no

[swift hawk]

Looks like the testers have exited the chat well at least we know that they noticed the arguments here

[karmic quail]

he won't debuff himself infront of the ho*s (saber n ishtar)

[tawny burrow]

And one can just be placed anywhere with anyone and other needs no one to be near him to be "good"

[tribal cove]

i mean u can bypass the -dmg before hand placing gilga as last

[karmic quail]

oh wow

[tribal cove]

truly the battle of the forgotten units

3 sentences passive vanguard vs allergic to allies near him unit

[runic inlet]

o rlly?

[stiff crystal]

besides saber and ishtar ofc

bc why the fuck not

[tawny burrow]

30% slow🔥

[tribal cove]

man

[runic inlet]

kinda inconvenient since he has to be placed early to build his dmg and rng up but its better than nothing ig

[stiff crystal]

Be like gilg

[tribal cove]

yall arguin while i main my monarch escanoorrrr

except sand village

[karmic quail]

give saber vanguard familiar 👍

now they can make an OP fate familiar

[vale breach]

can we stop giving mythic units familars 😭

[stiff crystal]

saber vanguard evo

[karmic quail]

idk man the devs seem to like doing that

[tribal cove]

LOL

[modest prism]

Yes pls I want to see my salter in top 5

[tawny burrow]

He stops attacking everything after using enuma elish for that single target "nuke"🔥

[karmic quail]

mayhaps she'll get another version of her then that'll get to be the vanguard

[runic inlet]

that also doesn't even follow his targeting btw

[tawny burrow]

They put no effort into this vf

[tribal cove]

alr im done arguin with or what atp what is this suggestion abt even now we lost da plot imma go play minecraft

[karmic quail]

yeah even the names are lowk just lazy

[stiff crystal]

his “single nuke” is mostly meant for the bosses

[karmic quail]

NO 😭 WHYYYYY

[covert needle]

They defo just finished it the day before release hence no sneaks😭 💔

[runic inlet]

and yet it always targets the first enemy on the map, doesn't follow the targetting you set for gilgamesh himself and actively stops you from doing normal cone aoe attacks

its genuinely useless

it just makes him worse

[stiff crystal]

This been leaked ppl just thought it was fake

[covert needle]

Lol

[stiff crystal]

I thought it was to

honestly

[tawny burrow]

They conceptualized it an hour before it became obtainable

[covert needle]

🥀

[viral thicket]

[stray laurel]

you put this sticker every suggestion you join

[stiff crystal]

That’s the number 1 most overrrated emoji

[stray laurel]

ngl 💀

[stiff crystal]

[drifting wolf]

is better

[stray laurel]

is better

[tribal cove]

its his bat signal"

[shy tartan]

guys let vote to remove Gilgamesh familiar and suggest they add gogeta ssj4 familiar

[tribal cove]

this is crazy

we had a whole civil war abt that...

[stray laurel]

yes , ppl went crazy bec of that

[tribal cove]

i mean

i wanted ss4...

[wicked isle]

It was arguably like, the closest poll we've ever had

[wraith mesa]

yeah that poll is really a civil war between ssj4 and gilga user

[wicked isle]

It was a pretty big deal too

Only for us to get the king of slows and stuns

[tribal cove]

IMO FELT RIGHT TO GIVE THE VANGUARD THE VF OFC

[wicked isle]

Pls tho just give us a visible np gauge huhuhu

[stiff crystal]

poll was gogeta vs gilg

[stray laurel]

i mean gilgamesh users more than ssj4 users sure they will pick gilgamesh

[stiff crystal]

Now it’s gilg users vs the devs

💀

[wraith mesa]

yeah

[tribal cove]

exactly us ss4 voters js seeing yall fight the devs atp

[wraith mesa]

devs and some tester as we speak

[shy tartan]

King Of Bad Slow , even Crocodile is better

[stiff crystal]

oh nah

[tribal cove]

katakuri exists.

[wicked isle]

Like, when I read this
"Gains a NP Stack Amount, every time this unit attacks adds to the NP stack amount by 1
(Up to 30%)"
I immediately tried to find it

But its doesnt exist and thats lame fr

[stiff crystal]

They didn’t give it a counter

[hollow saffron]

crocodile stayed in the meta longer than the king of bums

[stiff crystal]

for some reason

[wicked isle]

Yeah its weird

And its something we'd definitely want to keep track of

Also, speaking of counters

[runic inlet]

at least the devs actually do something

[wicked isle]

Correct me if I'm wrong but we dont have one for swaps right

[stiff crystal]

no

[wicked isle]

Which is also odd

[stray laurel]

gilgamesh did solo this 🗣️

[stiff crystal]

well maxing vegeta does tell you how many swaps you have by his ability

[wraith mesa]

yes, they did a very bad job

[wicked isle]

Since that's something I'm sure everyone wants to keep track of for Cid and Vegito

[wicked isle]

Ah right, true

[stiff crystal]

For cid yea

[still lynx]

13 minutes ✌️😭

[stiff crystal]

he doesn’t have one

[runic inlet]

better than cosmetic roles

[civic yoke]

Gil sucks but half of that is just the stage ngl

[shy tartan]

Just ignore dmca , Escanor and guts with Monacrh
Gilgamesh with ETHEREAL beat GG rift .
Let neft Gilgamesh 🔥

[civic yoke]

Deadass takes so much longer than other 2 rifts

[stray laurel]

🔥

[tribal cove]

monarch escanor exists.

[stray laurel]

well i needed thier help for this 74mils boss-

[stiff crystal]

Nerf all unit that does slow

😡

[shy tartan]

nah

[topaz gate]

Weird part is that it was supposed to, I specifically remember them talking about adding it when we were first testing the familiar. No clue what happened to that though

[stray laurel]

NO , DON'T NEWSMAN WILL FOLLOW YOU EVEN IN YOUR DREAMS

[wicked isle]

Awh bummer

[hollow saffron]

when we were first testing the familiar

[wicked isle]

Well, hopefully they add it in later

[stiff crystal]

Make croc meta again

[wicked isle]

Cuz it'd be really nice to have

[hollow saffron]

nobody tested the familiar

[runic inlet]

do you know if gilgamesh not being able to perform normal attacks while hes doing his single target np attacks is intentional? Because it kinda just nerfs him after you use a nuke

[stiff crystal]

Where is the croc legendary

[tawny burrow]

Yesterday

[shy tartan]

When crocodile double evo

[hollow saffron]

no normal human will see the second passive and think it will benefit him

[tawny burrow]

30% slow🔥

[wicked isle]

The only thing good coming from the 2nd passive are the chain effects

Those are sick fr

[wraith mesa]

yeah, "testing"

[stray laurel]

guys we need familiar for kaguya 🗣️

[hollow saffron]

they tested it if it worked

[topaz gate]

I think it is, yeah. Tbh, isn't the nuke normally just used at the end of the map anyways, so you're just using it to nuke out the boss and have more dps than normal attacking anyways?

Personally, that's the only change I'd really make to the familiar though. I feel like locking him into the NP attacks is a little rough

[stiff crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/enuma-elish-fate-grand-order-fate-gif-21011855

[wraith mesa]

good insights there, that third passive is just straightup trash

[stray laurel]

we players need familiar for EVERY UNIT "Exept for jogo"

[wicked isle]

Yeahhhh agreed, I think a lot of people would be more accepting of the familiar if he could still attack

Plus it'd be sick visually fr

[tawny burrow]

Jogo is js goated like that

[hollow saffron]

people will accept the familiar if it wasn't so dogshit in general

[stiff crystal]

we need jogo familiar

+500 dmg

[runic inlet]

if they're insistent on not buffing the vf that's fine, but i think tweaking his np attacks is fair. I also think a reasonable change would be making it so the NP attacks follow the units targetting. Currently they always target the first enemy in range rather than the same enemy that gilgamesh is targetting

[stiff crystal]

and slows because why the fuck not

[shy tartan]

why jogo need a slow bruh

[stiff crystal]

same reason gilg needs one

[hollow saffron]

because the devs are lazy when making vf

[tame sphinx]

at placement my gilg has 5.1s spa which takes 153 seconds to max the NP stacks

at max she has 6.2s

[topaz gate]

Last I remember it was supposed to follow his targeting. People say now it targets first, others say it always targets strongest

[stiff crystal]

she

[hollow saffron]

she

[stiff crystal]

💀

[tame sphinx]

which takes 186s to max

[stray laurel]

me made a new server guys and testers are the owners
and Banner helpers Are the mods and question helpers are the admin
and bug hunter are the banner helper

[wicked isle]

Maybe he's too used to the Angelica skin

Cant blame him fr

[stiff crystal]

oh nah

[tame sphinx]

she

[vale breach]

goku familar when

[shy tartan]

Aizen familiar when

[tribal cove]

escanor familiar when??

[hollow saffron]

if gilgamesh got it shit, i can't imagine okarun or any ddd unit

[stray laurel]

fr he is trash

[topaz gate]

I genuinely believe gilg's in a fine spot nowadays for what the familiar was supposed to do. It could just use maybe a couple tweaks, but not that much of a buff

[vale breach]

escanor familar makes him do 1m dps

[tribal cove]

escanor is so bad he need his own vf

[shy tartan]

Weakest unit in als

[viral thicket]

I can’t tell if ur trolling

[stray laurel]

he is already doing 1.3mil dmg

[viral thicket]

Just like how you have bad takes

[wicked isle]

Waddup? :D

[vale breach]

dps

[viral thicket]

You just keep saying Gilgamesh is fine as he is right now but two other testers say otherwise

[stray laurel]

didn't see that

[tribal cove]

i can agree with u THIS ONE time gilga is decent

[robust heath]

huh

[shy tartan]

Okarun will have a follow up attack and slow !

[viral thicket]

Decent in what way?

[stiff crystal]

being ass

[viral thicket]

You can’t do much with a single target nuke

[topaz gate]

...Hold on

I'm watching that video

[hollow saffron]

fine spot when the fucking anni upd is coming is stupid

[topaz gate]

I need to go check something

[wicked isle]

I mean uhh, you replied to me when you sent that and idk what im supposed to look at

[safe bison]

125% --> 175% pls

[hollow saffron]

fine spot is when from useless to useless

[vale breach]

diavol familar makes him erase time and instantly send all the enemies to the end?!?!

[robust heath]

np stocks its attacks after nuke

[hollow saffron]

🤯

[tribal cove]

yea u right but like we acting like we do ex stages every 5 minutes

[stiff crystal]

king of meta tier

[last blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208121918855577700/1423194919115423825/2d418c0bb7d549f7a65cdf4b70f8ca6c.gif

[wraith mesa]

yes, that's what we want

[tame sphinx]

after using enumid elish, you have to wait 3 mins to max the stacks again

[tight wind]

Useless to below invencible

[vale breach]

why did tengen get a familar out of nowhere

[viral thicket]

@topaz gate oh yeah gilga has a weird bug with his nuke

[stray laurel]

we needa vanguard familiar for this goat

[safe bison]

And guts just so happens to be better then all of them

[topaz gate]

Normally you don't use enuma more than once though

[topaz gate]

outside of inf

[safe bison]

Did they already rework them

[shy tartan]

choso will get a slow

[wicked isle]

Mb if I wasnt clear but I'm aware of how the familiar works
I was just refering to how there isnt an indicator on how many stacks you have and all that stuff

[hollow saffron]

yea im leaking all of them

[shy tartan]

todo familiar when

[robust heath]

we need familiar on that goat

[hollow saffron]

the goat and you never used him

[vale breach]

av in 2030 will have every single mythic unit release with a vanguard familar doing a bajillion dps, sukuna gets like 10 more vanguard familars to keep up with the pwoercreep

[robust heath]

mb too, sorry

[stray laurel]

maybe he needs 1mil%+ dmg 💀

[hollow saffron]

fake killua fan

[safe bison]

We need sakura evo cause she already got a shiny

[wicked isle]

No worries

[viral thicket]

his NP stacks dont even swap enemys and its a single target so say he kills 1 person before the 30 seconds is up now hes stuck sitting there hitting nothing for the rest of the time

[stray laurel]

next we need familiar for this sigma

[hollow saffron]

that mf need a whole ass rework

[karmic quail]

yeah something like

Increase DMG by 200% instead of 125%

+25% CRIT RATE +10% CRIT DMG; Every attack that CRITs, perform Attack 3 at 80% DMG

Increase Enuma Elish ability DMG to 450%, nuke is reapplied every single time an enemy enters this unit's RNG but enemies that have been hit more than twice take 10% of the nuke's DMG instead.

[hollow saffron]

they ruined my goat

[drifting wolf]

lfelt vfamiliar🤑

[hollow saffron]

for no fucking reason

[stray laurel]

[vale breach]

are crits really crits if they are 100%

[topaz gate]

Okay, for a second, I thought his NP attacks were doing 2 hits instead of 3, nvm, it seems fine

[runic inlet]

nvm it does follow his targeting, i was wrong on that one

[wraith mesa]

125 is kinda balanced, the slow and stun was unnecessary and the NP is trash

[shy tartan]

that kinda op ngl , just buff the dmg and remove the slow , the NP passive is decent

[viral thicket]

but if the unit he was trying to hit die in the progress then he's stunned for 30 seconds

[karmic quail]

maybe give NP passive an aoe but make it smol

[karmic quail]

yeah

[safe bison]

Wait how is salter better then gilgamesh

💀

[shy tartan]

yea

[wicked isle]

I think giving it the same range as attack 1 would be fine and make the nuke also good for clearing

Even more so than it already is I mean

[karmic quail]

ooo sureeee

[hollow saffron]

gogeta is still better than gilgamesh with vf

[karmic quail]

this seems better for clearing

Increase Enuma Elish ability DMG to 450%, nuke is reapplied every single time an enemy enters this unit's RNG but enemies that have been hit more than twice take 10% of the nuke's DMG instead.

but again it seems prettay OP

[safe bison]

Gilgamesh has status effect immunity and a nuke

[topaz gate]

That's insanely OP what

[shy tartan]

make no point when we vote for Gilgamesh and somehow gogeta still better than Gilgamesh with vf

[shy tartan]

nah that to op

[hollow saffron]

and gogeta can teleport everywhere and somehow a better slow

[remote orbit]

i feel like 150 would be more balanced but thats just because i want him to be on on par with the others

[woeful basin]

can i get an ichigo familiar 🥺

[topaz gate]

"Activate nuke every time an enemy walks in range, and if they surive, they take 10% every time another enemy walks in range"

[safe bison]

Not even close to Cid nuke but okay

[stray laurel]

we so close to beat the general chat 🗣️

[shy tartan]

175-180%

[karmic quail]

uhh uhh uh spirit dispenser was his familiar 👍

[karmic quail]

this one is wayyy more OP

[topaz gate]

You're right, it'd be way more insane than cid nuke in anything outside of inf

[safe bison]

Wait I read it wrong that more broken then cid

[woeful basin]

tbh tho gogeta and ichigo is kinda cool

[delicate gorge]

i know but its tuff

[runic inlet]

i think his dps is a little disappointing for a unit that takes 11 whole waves to reach its maximum dps and loses a good chunk of damage if you even sneeze in his direction. Considering event banner units like quetzalcoatl reach over 100k dps while doing regular full aoe damage, i expected gilgamesh to just barely be in the 100k max dps threshold if they weren't gonna make him op.

[karmic quail]

yeah

[remote orbit]

i mean that would make him pretty broken but i feel like its needed, as long as they remove the second half of his first passive where he loses damage for enemies in range

[karmic quail]

even the leaks are better than the actual passives

[shy tartan]

Just wait they add a unit that can heal life stock and ichigo , invincible will meta again

oh wait invincible is already meta

[runic inlet]

bro forgetting the goat SAKURA

[delicate gorge]

i think more of the problem was the excuse they gave about not wanting to gatekeep people cause of limited units

[remote orbit]

dude if they just rerun gilga and inturn people get a better familiar i would gladly do that

[tawny latch]

Please just focus on the serious suggestions, idk what these guys are cooking by "activates nuke on every enemy lol".

[hollow saffron]

sakura and salter back to the top

[topaz heath]

they set the bar too high with the hype + the release of units like sukuna and broly

[remote orbit]

invinicible is legit better than gilga

[hollow saffron]

serious suggestions get ignored because is too much work for them bro

[shy tartan]

yea 😔

[hollow saffron]

well they say so

[wicked isle]

This is just me but I'd at least like for Gil to be at the top of his own series

[runic inlet]

also idk about you but tengen randomly coming out of nowhere and being sukuna level made it feel even worse when gil turned out to be just mid

[topaz gate]

Those units will also be permanently obtainable for any player

[remote orbit]

i mean if they make his nuke not single target i feel like that fixes most of the issues, especially when he self stuns if the enemy is dead

[hollow saffron]

who tf is spamming the 6

[wraith mesa]

that's the thing, because he is GILGAMESH

[tawny latch]

Any reason that Tengen was given a Vanguard Familiar when he lost the poll he was in?

[topaz heath]

its more about they releasing too many op units then gilgamesh being bad

[delicate gorge]

yea tengen is under sjw in tl

[safe bison]

Rinse

[topaz gate]

Because we voted on it

[hollow saffron]

who is we

✌️

[tawny latch]

yeah^^

[runic inlet]

tl is cope

[topaz heath]

compared to the contents we have currently Gilgamesh is great, but compared to other units we have gilgamesh is mediocre at best

[tawny latch]

The testers? Who is we?

[hollow saffron]

gilgamesh would have been meta in release

[remote orbit]

ah yes, the unit that lost his poll has a better familiar than gilga, who won his poll

[topaz gate]

Tester team voted on tengen, it's really just that simple

[safe bison]

Could've given it to blossom

Smh

[delicate gorge]

nah tl good but the excuses they give for units being that high is cope

[runic inlet]

also came out of nowhere and had no hype around him

[wicked isle]

I guess its just a problem of the current unit pool already be so saturated that it's hard to find a reason to use Gil over any other unit avaliable atm

[topaz gate]

Tengen's also fully obtainable.

[remote orbit]

yea i feel like thats a great way to put, yes he can do the content but that doesnt make him good

[remote orbit]

darn testers

[delicate gorge]

could have been buu but really tengen?

[ruby carbon]

If y'all just voted gogeta...

[remote orbit]

im not complaining tho

[ruby carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/mock-dbgt-laugh-gogeta-ss4-gif-12351860

[remote orbit]

i have monarch tengon

[wicked isle]

He's not weak, just that everyone else is crazy strong type of stuff

[ruby carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025493832357388339/1423130209636450456/attachment.gif

[hollow saffron]

increased chance to miss the attack and apply a better slow

[delicate gorge]

gogeta would have been mid too

[remote orbit]

in turn that makes him weak

[ruby carbon]

Right

[topaz heath]

specially the fact that he gets like 0 passives when not alone 🤢

[ruby carbon]

No

[glass bolt]

Caus the meta is changing obviously

[wicked isle]

...Yeahhhhh

[tight wind]

His passives already sound better, anything he gets will be better than Gilgamesh

[delicate gorge]

yes

[topaz gate]

Problem with gogeta is that he's just barely on the cusp of needing a familiar

[topaz heath]

1 of his passives is an active ability and the other one gets half destroyed by having a team

[ruby carbon]

He already has good dmg as a vanguard just he's first passive is mid

[topaz gate]

tbh I still don't think he needs one

[runic inlet]

upper meta feels somewhat inflated for the sake of advertising newer units sometimes ngl

[topaz gate]

That's why I voted for gilg

[glass bolt]

Dawg he costs 180k+

[remote orbit]

its just a horrible way to make a unit that is this bad

[wicked isle]

People talk smack about Gogeta a bit too much, he's def still in a good enough spot for what he does

[shy tartan]

idk why they make a poll about a vanguard will have a vf ? Like what 😭💔

[glass bolt]

Ain’t no body maxxing him over 2-3 units

[remote orbit]

if all other units are strong and he is mediocre, doesnt that just mean he is weak

[wicked isle]

At least thats what my friend that has a monarch Gogeta says

[topaz heath]

hes like a failed version of escanor 😂😂😂

[remote orbit]

yea he still out dps gilga

[hollow saffron]

not like that matters
considering you guys will make sure the familiars are dogshit so the unit doesn't gatekeep content for others

[ruby carbon]

No immunity or dodge aswell + maxxing out the buffs takes too long

[hollow saffron]

[topaz heath]

their kits are extremely similar

[ruby carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404544332995887145/1421275801323573378/togif.gif

[remote orbit]

escanor is what gilga wishes he could be

[glass bolt]

Yep the immunity is important in this meta

[tawny latch]

His cost compared to his damage is insanely low compared to other units. And thats pretty much what the game is about since we don't have any harder content in the game.

[wicked isle]

Hey man, I get how you're feeling but they're just the testers

Take that stuff to the devs chief

[topaz gate]

If only there was a unit that was recently released that gives him a quarter of his price discount and, like, say, maybe 50% crit chance too considering the unit is just a raw DPS stick with nothing else. That'd be a really good support to help him out nowadays

[topaz heath]

monarch reliant mostly used solo with a strong nuke

[ruby carbon]

Imean if vfam gives him a dodge it's good and rework the first passive

[glass bolt]

And there’s no better farms

[runic inlet]

gilgamesh still being designed as basically a solo unit and not even approaching the 100k dps threshold is criminal icl

[hollow saffron]

no

[glass bolt]

I’d take a -50% cost on Gogeta familiar lmao

[topaz gate]

Go get gogeta, then

[runic inlet]

also the fact his familiar just makes his nuke nerf him currently

[topaz gate]

there's your cost reduction

[shy tartan]

King of nothing

[remote orbit]

his nuke is jsut so bad since its single target

[glass bolt]

Jin mori the better version of gogeta

[delicate gorge]

gatekeeped by a banner with no pity👍

[hollow saffron]

king of simps

[lofty dagger]

Go get a gogeta

[astral willow]

Not only this but he’s just bad bro. His first passive debuffs him, his first familiar passive is bad, his second familiar passive is bad and the third one makes his nuke worse😭

[lofty dagger]

Spunds funny

[glass bolt]

Lmao

[topaz heath]

gogeta as gogeta ssjb

[ruby carbon]

He's been there for 6 months💀💀

[glass bolt]

Gogeta job

[delicate gorge]

was

[topaz gate]

gogeta (super)

[remote orbit]

yea its just so dumb

[delicate gorge]

makes more sense

[topaz gate]

yknow, the one in the new dungeon

[topaz heath]

No Pity

[astral willow]

Gilgamesh was there for about the same time and was easier to get

[hollow saffron]

the one with 20 % drop chance

[ruby carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025493832357388339/1423130209636450456/attachment.gif

[stray laurel]

the unit is the best without the familiar

[astral willow]

Literally no excuse to make a vanguard familiar this bad

[topaz heath]

• everyone was weaker before winter

[wicked isle]

Pfft

[delicate gorge]

someone probably spend 5mil and didnt get him since it had no pity

[astral willow]

Unironically he’s worse than he was on release

And this is sad

[topaz heath]

both are weak 😂😂😂

[hollow saffron]

and they will continue

[remote orbit]

i feel like if they just made his nuke not single target it would be like 30x better

[hollow saffron]

okarun vf will reduce his spa by 15% and nothing else

[shy tartan]

kinda disappointing

[runic inlet]

the main problem is that you cant even do normal aoe attacks while you're doing those single target nuke attacks, which is terrible for a unit with passives that encourage you to use him alone. He basically becomes unable to defend for 30 seconds after you use his nuke

[still lynx]

[astral willow]

Okarun vf will increase his spa and, you guess it, HE WILL APPLY A 50% SLOW

[shy tartan]

he will get a follow up attack and slow bc he is so fast that make everything around slower

[astral willow]

because that’s what we want as a community

[topaz heath]

them two combined are still worse then any of the meta units

[delicate gorge]

this the guy you wanted a familiar for btw already really good only thing holding him back is his cost

[runic inlet]

50% slow? you called?

[wicked isle]

HW celebrating

[astral willow]

Give more powerhouses like Gilgamesh and starkk slow

[shy tartan]

and also a good unit for some The flash variant

[astral willow]

Bc that’s obviously what they do

[stray laurel]

gilgameh is better since he have the nuke

[tawny latch]

So with the cost reduction he would be 135k, which is still more expensive than better units.
I think that the problem with Vanguard Gogeta is that he was designed for pure damage but can no longer perform the dps he needs to for a Vanguard rarity unit, on top of it you need to use his ability manually every 20 seconds. When we have Kaguya who can teleport and do map wide debuffs automatically.

[ruby carbon]

Cost, no immunity, first passive takes too long to build

[runic inlet]

give every dps unit a 30-50% slow because big attack = slow your movements bro

[delicate gorge]

good that he has no immunity deserved

[topaz heath]

kaguya is like 3 months old gogeta is like 10

[astral willow]

Omg bro

What about the follow-ups

We NEEED follow ups

Cmon bro

[remote orbit]

yea thats why its just so dumb that his NUKE is a single target

[topaz gate]

Yet gogeta's teleport is still infinitely better than kaguya's

[remote orbit]

like this is meant to be a nuke

[astral willow]

Without the follow ups they’ll think we’re just lazy

[runic inlet]

think of the crits bro

[shy tartan]

gojo have a follow up but why not Gilgamesh 😭💔

[runic inlet]

give me crits or i retire

[remote orbit]

i kinda just wish the devs would listen to the community more

[ruby carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809806310395871242/1421670679178383420/togif.gif

[tawny latch]

One thing I don't get.
Why is exclusive units getting bad Vanguard familiars if trading is supposed to be coming to the game? Is there a chance the Vanguard Familiars would be buffed by then?

[astral willow]

What’s listening?

[runic inlet]

why is gilgamesh not doing crit based follow ups to proc his slow? literally unusable get this shit out of my inventory bro

[astral willow]

Ion think that’s in their vocabulary big man

[astral willow]

Ikr

[ruby carbon]

Trading in upd 20😭

[night hornet]

Not as if the number of units is increasing yk

[hollow saffron]

that is what im saying

[astral willow]

But guys he’s meta guys

He does slow and stun

[stray laurel]

BRO I JUST WAS DOING WEEKLY AND LOOK WHAT I GOT XD

[astral willow]

Remember that one time he did slow and stun to his enemies

[remote orbit]

yea that part doesnt make sense, if trading is confirmed coming to the game, why would the vf be bad if they are limited?

[astral willow]

And when enuma was a single target

[hollow saffron]

should have waited for trading to release

[astral willow]

Yall remember that

[hollow saffron]

and then add the fucking familiar

[ruby carbon]

Got 2 portal back to back

[hollow saffron]

ofc a better one but still

[tawny latch]

But you need to sit there and use it every 20 seconds, and no mode in the game requires you to even do that. I think a lot of the issues are due to the lack of harder content, not your fault though, if we ever got hard content people will probably just riot again.

[wicked isle]

Booooo it should've been me

[topaz heath]

happened to me with boo portals, but unfortunately i was using escanor and didnt realise the phase had shields....😭😭😭

[wicked isle]

dies

[ruby carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404544332995887145/1421275801323573378/togif.gif

[astral willow]

Ngl I’m spending the tokens on rrs

This familiar so butt

[shy tartan]

yea same

[runic inlet]

30% slow

bro

think of the 30% slow

[topaz gate]

Because the familiars are only intended to bring them up to being usable again, but you can't really do that for limited familiars, even with trading coming. Because not everyone is going to actually be able or even willing to get into trading to get the unit in the future. It's still a unit that would be gatekept behind a limited quantity in trading, and making that unit insanely good with a sudden buff is just really unfair for the players that can't get it for whatever reason.

[astral willow]

Genuinely a butchering

[stray laurel]

😭

[runic inlet]

AND THE 2 SECOND STUN

[astral willow]

Then what’s the point of adding a familiar if you’re not going to make him usable

.

Genuinely what’s the point

[stray laurel]

i got 2 anyways 😭

[tawny latch]

He is useable, but no the best unit in the game.

[astral willow]

If you say the point of a familiar is to make a unit usable again, and buff their stats to the current meta but that it can’t be done for limiteds

[topaz gate]

They did.

[topaz heath]

but the thing is

[hollow saffron]

to use it as a excuse to add another event shop

[topaz heath]

why would someone use Gilgamesh

[astral willow]

Why add one to limited hnits

[wicked isle]

I need that shiny man huehuehue

[topaz gate]

He just doesn't compare to the top of meta

[astral willow]

He’s quite literally not usable.

[stray laurel]

"man "

[remote orbit]

thats what ive been saying it makes no sense

[stray laurel]

...

[astral willow]

He gets outshined in everything

[remote orbit]

the devs are not cooking this time

[topaz heath]

hes not really usable unless you came back to the game a week ago and did 0 progression besides the 25 stages

[astral willow]

You’re better off bringing weather report

[topaz gate]

Because that's what the community's been begging for, despite it being a terrible idea.

[runic inlet]

his familiar destroys his whole playstyle as of right now unless they decide to fix or tweak it, hes unusable imo

[astral willow]

Who does everything he does but better

[topaz heath]

you will NOT use Gilgamesh at all

in your whole life

[ruby carbon]

😅😅

[astral willow]

You clearly don’t listen to the community so why bother.

[wicked isle]

I think I'm on your side but uhh, you said something contradictory
"Because the familiars are only intended to bring them up to being usable again, but you can't really do that for limited familiars"

[stray laurel]

pls be shiny

[topaz heath]

????

[astral willow]

Your whole point is a contradiction

[remote orbit]

yea but when they said they wanted it back they wanted him back AND to be good

[topaz heath]

wrong person to say that

this guy is one of the only testers that actually do something

lollll

[astral willow]

If it’s meant to be usable but you can’t make them usable because he’s limited but the community wanted it so you added it anyways and now the community wants it to be buffed

[hollow saffron]

every suggestion from it community somehow is twisted and transformed into shit when the dev team add it to the game

[astral willow]

So why not listen to the community

Your argument makes no sense.

[tawny latch]

If the intention of the familiars are for the units to be useable again, maybe Sukuna and Tengens familiar was just too strong? I think the problem is that it was worth chasing Monarch Sukuna, Tengen (And arguably Gojo) but its not really worth chasing Gilgamesh?

[astral willow]

Or maybe yk.

[topaz heath]

blame the devs, not him 🤷🏻‍♂️

[wicked isle]

I'm not calling Elphelt a man l o l
I was refering to as "man"

[remote orbit]

bro hes been arguing in here that the gilga familiar is good and doesnt even hear us out on why its bad

[astral willow]

Make a decent familiar that actually has synergies with his passives.

Like how is a community made familiar better than a dev made one

[topaz heath]

eh

[topaz gate]

If you've been playing and have better units built up, yeah, you probably won't spend more resources on him outside of a "I feel like using (x) unit this time". But for players who might've been away from the game for a while, invested into the unit when they were around, it's a good familiar to get to bring the unit closer to a more modern level, which was the whole point of VFs in the first place.

[topaz heath]

its not bad just no one will ever use him

[runic inlet]

not trying to be rude but it would have been better off just completely ghosting the community rather than hyping them up and then releasing something mid and, lets be honest, lazy

[topaz heath]

its like a 6

[stray laurel]

@robust heath , Can you rename this channel to general 2

[remote orbit]

ts is not modern level

[topaz heath]

but why would you use a 6 when you have 9-10s right there in your hand

[runic inlet]

all this has really served to do is make the same people who were begging for limited vfs upset at their treatment

[hollow saffron]

nothing is better than the shit we got

ngl

[astral willow]

My brother in christ, weather report does more dps than him traitless.

And he’s easier to get.

[remote orbit]

dude fr

[robust heath]

xd

[topaz gate]

I don't know what they were really expecting to get for an unobtainable unit with a %hp execute

[hollow saffron]

saying that when we have summer event and these players will most likely farm for escanor because unlike gilgabum, he is good

[remote orbit]

10% execute, by that time the thing is already dead bro

[night hornet]

In infinite that’s a different story

[brazen ivy]

"sukuna gojo and tengen were all goated, surely the 3rd will be good! they didnt say anything about it maybe being weaker, so it must mean it will be goated aswell then"

[astral willow]

Deadass with these new meta units at 10% they die anyways

[hollow saffron]

the real deal are the bosses
not the normal enemies

[runic inlet]

and waiting til after people already bought the familiar to make the announcement that limited vfamiliars wont be on the same level as other vfamiliars was honestly just terrible execution

[tawny latch]

I agree with you.
But should the same not have applied to the other Vanguard familiars, I know that they are obtainable? But buffing them to the point where they are stronger than recently released meta units is kinda crazy no?

[lofty dagger]

You created a monster, nice

[tight wind]

Escanor is just that guy not like the king of frauds

[remote orbit]

better units for infinite so why would you bring him there?

[wicked isle]

Pretty much this, it's also what I thought huehuehue ^

[hollow saffron]

so the criteria to make a vf worth buying is if the unit is permanent

[remote orbit]

yea thats how everyone expected it to be like

[stray laurel]

sukuna is still top 1 🗣️

[astral willow]

You either release broken vf or you don’t gang

[hollow saffron]

and not if the unit need it the most

great idea

[astral willow]

Can’t make 3 vf that shoots each unit to top 15 in the game then expect people to be happy with the most butchered pile of garbage

[brazen ivy]

its fine hes not broken
its not find hes not useable

[timid drift]

give valentine a vf

[runic inlet]

im sure some people thought that way but i didnt want him to be sukuna level, but again, Quetzalcoatl puts up a better performance than him

[topaz gate]

I would genuinely hope that a familiar for an unobtainable unit would NEVER be as good as any of those three units, though. Like in any game. This isn't just me trying to justify it, that's a legitimate thing I would've hoped for as a player.

[astral willow]

Literally gets the same dps as his rival in the polls.

[stray laurel]

fr he is secret .

[astral willow]

What’s the point of this

[runic inlet]

yeah it's called setting a precedent?

[hollow saffron]

as a player and everyone here is a player and want something else

✌️

[timid drift]

but gilg was limited😭

[tawny latch]

I guess its just a communication problem, if they had told the community ahead of time that Gilgamesh familiar wouldn't be as strong because he was limited, people would not have chased monarch.

My guess is that you guys knew and that's why this is the only familiar that did not get sneaked ahead of time.

[astral willow]

He’s neither broken nor usable bro. Hes a bad support, bad dps and has a bad nuke

[timid drift]

they don’t want old limited units back in top meta which is fair

😭

[remote orbit]

it makes no sense when you set the standard and everyone hypes it up expecting the same, but then when you actually release it it doesnt evne hit the bottom

[tight wind]

You want a mythic unit from update 0 to be on par with escanor or broly?

[astral willow]

Considering it doesn’t even target what you have him set to target

[runic inlet]

im not arguing gilgamesh should have been on the level of sukuna, but that guys argument is just terrible

[astral willow]

And he doesn’t attack during it

😭

[topaz gate]

Tengen's familiar didn't get sneaked either, didn't it?

[tawny latch]

They clearly dont have a problem with that, look at Tengen Sukuna and Gojo

[brazen ivy]

i mean you can say this as u have direct contact with valk but for 99% of ppl they see no difference

so why would they expect different

[tepid flint]

Valentine solos rift🔥

[remote orbit]

yea but his familiar is just so bad, like it nerfs his nuke

[wicked isle]

It was shown earlier

[timid drift]

Got data mined

[hollow saffron]

if you don't want that shit then don't create vf for them then

[brazen ivy]

we set the precedent, broke it, and then found it funny when ppl got mad

[topaz gate]

I'm not saying this as someone who has direct contact with Valk, that's irrelevant to my point

[timid drift]

I think he is just made for inf for execute no?

[hollow saffron]

instead of making people waste their rerolls and resources

[stray laurel]

not a shiny but she is shining herself already

[robust heath]

we need passion vfamiliar guys

[runic inlet]

NOBODY IS ASKING FOR GILGAMESH TO BE TOP 1, STOP WITH THE LOGICAL FALLACIES. WE JUST WANT HIM TO BE AT LEAST BETTER THAN QUETZALCOATL

[astral willow]

He’s useless

[remote orbit]

yea but his nuke use to actually be a nuk that hit multiple things, not just a laser that can only hit one

[stray laurel]

i swear i voted for valentine bro.

[remote orbit]

bro even better than cid

[shy tartan]

At least better than gogeta ssj4

[timid drift]

I think it’s fine then for execute ig

[wicked isle]

You're a hero, I'm glad you're a tester

[remote orbit]

cid a update 5.5 unit is better than him

[tawny latch]

Its always easy to say what should have been done, but all of this was due to lack of communication.

[runic inlet]

cid has a very specific niche that i dont think they could make gil outperform him on

[remote orbit]

it hits only one thing and then self stuns afterwards if the thing died

[shy tartan]

like bro win the poll and still weaker than who lose the poll

[robust heath]

Buff/Rework Gilgamesh's familiar and WE NEED VALENTINE (PASSION) VFAMILIAR

[topaz gate]

If I had absolutely no contact whatsoever and was just a normal player, I would legitimately expect and hope that gilg's familiar wasn't on the level of any of the other three vfamiliars. Because suddenly giving stuff to unobtainable units is not an enjoyable experience.

[timid drift]

does his base attack execute?

[remote orbit]

not just for infinite, cid is just a better unit overall imo

[jaunty juniper]

if they really plan to make limited units familiars to be less good then other just don´t make them for limited units

[topaz gate]

Yes

[hollow saffron]

yea lol

[remote orbit]

i think it does but its at 10% hp and by then the thing its about to execute would die anyways

[astral willow]

Exactly my point

[timid drift]

aye then it’s fair bruh

[hollow saffron]

no point of creating something if it going to be shit

[stray laurel]

add and General two 😭

[hollow saffron]

i mean it takes no effort for them

but still is stupid

[brazen ivy]

i wasnt saying he should be on their level btw, i was saying we set the precedent of them being really good, so at a minimum ppl are gonna expect it to be at least useable (he is not)

[rustic valley]

Type shit

[brazen ivy]

shit

[lofty dagger]

Type soul

[timid drift]

It makes a diff in inf bc they have like hundreds of millions od hp and executing at 10% makes a decent difference probably

[hollow saffron]

you never die to normal enemies
only against bosses

[astral willow]

Yeah on like wave 400

[remote orbit]

but why would you bring him to infinite if there is better options

[runic inlet]

oh i misunderstood what you said before, mb 💔

[astral willow]

And there are better options even then

[timid drift]

they done turned him into a inf only unit😭

[lofty dagger]

WAIT, i know where u can!!!!

PVP!!!!!

[ebon ridge]

wasnt this already before the vfamilliar

[astral willow]

They turned him into a nothing unit

He has no niche

[lime sun]

How does Gilgamesh have stacks buy no way to count them

[astral willow]

He excels at nothing

[timid drift]

like who

[astral willow]

Has all these passives just to be bad with all of them

[tepid flint]

Could atleast make his NP dmg higher than goblin slayer

[topaz gate]

I still think saying he isn't useable is disingenuous. He's about as much as the other units in meta tier alongside him, which is perfectly fine.

[astral willow]

Doesn’t have a good nuke, doesn’t have a good slow, doesn’t have a good stun, doesn’t deal good dmg

[tawny latch]

Agreed, but lots of players unfortunately can't think that far ahead.
You are right- and people are over reacting, Gilgamesh familiar is good. Personally I just think the other familiars were too strong, so now people are expecting every old unit that gets a VF to reach Sukuna levels.

[astral willow]

He’s quite literally garbage

[robust heath]

remind me, will there be vfamiliars on the units that lost, but are in the top 2 in poll?

[rustic valley]

Gogeta wouldn't have let us down✌️✌️✌️

[remote orbit]

cid, vsjw, broly, kaguya, hell ill take escanor over gilga

[topaz gate]

Nothing's for certain

[astral willow]

Weather report does more dps, slow and buffs himself and your other units by 30% dmg with a cloud that reapplies it on tick

[runic inlet]

he already was, and you might be better off just not using the familiar in inf mode since his nuke forces him into being single target for 30 seconds. Unless you just dont bother using his nuke

[timid drift]

I don’t think u should take esconar over gilg for inf💀

[remote orbit]

can we just give gilga a second evo so we dont need to use this buns ahh familiar

[brazen ivy]

you have to invest 120k for a mediocre nuke and horrible mob dps, idk what is useable about that

[wicked isle]

Thats an overexaggeration and I disagree, we were never expecting him to be at Sukuna's level, but rather at the bare minimum Gojo's

[topaz gate]

Sukuna was just kinda a spontaneous decision anyways

[remote orbit]

i would just because his passives are so buns, like he makes himself lose 30% damage

[topaz gate]

What's usable about most of the other meta tier units?

[remote orbit]

atleast escanor nuke hits everything

[timid drift]

u use him for execute

that’s it

[hollow saffron]

execute

[topaz gate]

Or even submeta

[remote orbit]

even then its like alright

[astral willow]

His execute is useless.

[lime sun]

How does Gilgamesh have stacks buy no way to count them

[timid drift]

I think that’s the point

[astral willow]

Just bring someone that does more dps and you’d have the same result

[timid drift]

he not supposed to be top meta bc he’s limited

[remote orbit]

lazy bum ahh devs

[topaz gate]

If we're just basing "useability" like this, the TL might as well not have a category beyond "upper meta" and "support"

[astral willow]

We wanted a familiar that synergized with the passives he had

[hollow saffron]

same reason why swaps doesn't have it
lazyness

[astral willow]

Not some mid “give him slow, stun and a single target nuke”

Pure lazyness

[remote orbit]

im not asking for that tho im asking for him to just not single target nuke,

i feel like the devs were just really lazy for this vf

[stray laurel]

made in heaven .

[brazen ivy]

red = dps
yellow = specialist
orange = yhwach

[astral willow]

Unironically better than Gil

[ebon ridge]

yhwach a combination of red and yellow? thats my goat

[topaz gate]

I said meta for a reason, though. The tier that gilg is in

[remote orbit]

and 5 of them are limited

[timid drift]

nobody is using that😭

[runic inlet]

is this ordered? because i genuinely feel like gil is less usable than quet in his current state

[topaz gate]

My point wasn’t about upper meta in TL because that’s all people ever care about

[timid drift]

nobody is using a unit in that tierlist

😭😭

[remote orbit]

when people hear meta, they assume you mean the strongest

[lime sun]

How does Gilgamesh have stacks buy no way to count them

[wispy cliff]

Make a green one for dps and support

[remote orbit]

because the devs rushed his familiar

[stray laurel]

Can i ask why freza is not in broken units? his summons are insane

[wicked isle]

It is ordered yeah

[tight wind]

Its a td game ofc

[timid drift]

He’s too expensive

[stray laurel]

how?

[ebon ridge]

yhwach support💔

[timid drift]

He costs like 120k+ to max himself + a ton for his soldiers

[topaz gate]

Don’t ask me lmao
It was supposed to happen iirc, I have no idea why it didn’t

[runic inlet]

💔

[astral willow]

Rework his familiar

This shit is ass

[wispy cliff]

They cost money to max out and ima have to keep it a gurt but any broken tier unit soloes him

[tepid flint]

He has no usage pre access to nuke has to stack up stats he is pretty much worse than everyone on his tier

[robust heath]

i will ask abt that shit

[remote orbit]

i think the devs forgot, like how they forgot his nuke is meant to be a nuke

[astral willow]

Rework it or just delete it honestly

[brazen ivy]

then why make something we know ppl wont care about

[topaz gate]

Not everyone is going to.

Some people see the unit as good now, some actually see usability in it

[remote orbit]

who is this some bro

[topaz gate]

That’s all it really needed tbh

[hollow saffron]

some people see the unit as good now

[tight wind]

The 5%

[remote orbit]

is the some like the bottom 1% or something???

[wispy cliff]

Should’ve made the unit obtainable and then give him is vanguard familiar tbf

[robust heath]

@hollow saffron check pls 😭

[remote orbit]

is the some people who havent played since update 2.0 and dont kow what a good unit is yet?

[ebon ridge]

yeah nobody gaf about unit trading unless its some shiny vanguard

[astral willow]

Don’t nobody see this man as good or usable

[remote orbit]

like who is this some

[astral willow]

He gets out damaged and out supported by weather report

[timid drift]

gilgamesh shoulda never been exclusive to begin with 🤦‍♂️

[hollow saffron]

there is like 10 suggestions asking for buffs for the familiar

[astral willow]

He’s a weather report upscale

[still lynx]

theres 0 use cases for him though

[hollow saffron]

nobody say is good

[runic inlet]

this wouldnt be as big of a problem if it wasn't released during a time where the state of the game was in a grey zone as well. Currently the game is kinda dry and we have no info on when update 9 is dropping nor the state of the dmca remodels. Releasing something so "overbalanced" and rushed feeling when there's literally nothing else for players to focus on was a bad move

[hollow saffron]

✌️

[still lynx]

like when am i ever going to use gilgamesh

[remote orbit]

fr he shouldve just been made a secret

[astral willow]

What is usable about him being a weather report upscale

[tight wind]

Fr its the most hype unit from fate to be a exclusive

[wicked isle]

Ur awesome and ur music taste is great

[remote orbit]

i hope they rerun him and drop his 2nd evo

[lofty dagger]

This vf is more for those ppl that invested on gilga when he was on his prime and are coming back
I dont thinks theres a lot of people like that but oh well

[tepid flint]

Upd 3 winter portals to counter holy element enemies🔥

[runic inlet]

Gilgamid, King of Nothing, after his fight with Quetzalcoatl

[brazen ivy]

do you have mon gil

[still lynx]

in upd 3 he was still meta ✌️

[brazen ivy]

please be honest

when will u use it

[timid drift]

Make niche characters exclusive ❌
Make the most popular character in the show limited and exclusive ✅

[remote orbit]

then why build hype around him without saying its gonna be worse than others

[lofty dagger]

Solar

[brazen ivy]

balright

[tepid flint]

Full godly monarch

[astral willow]

And bad

[tepid flint]

[still lynx]

im 1k down on gilga btw

[brazen ivy]

Will you use it ever

[topaz gate]

When are you ever going to use quetz? Or invincible? Or Leo? Or Vergil? When you could just use better units than ones in his same tier?

[tepid flint]

No

[astral willow]

Obviously not

[stray laurel]

this is a joke right? PLS TELL ME HE IS TROLLING US

[tight wind]

Damn sorry for you

[ebon ridge]

i dont think they’ll be invested having to do 25 stages for him each day

[remote orbit]

dont forget to make the most popular unit dog shit as well

[tepid flint]

I would have gone for 100 rrs if i knew it was real

[lofty dagger]

No, we ARE rerrolling on shiro ren

[timid drift]

why did u pre roll ur a tester

😭😭

[stray laurel]

[remote orbit]

thats the point, i wont

[hollow saffron]

only quetz have a extra use as a fire unit buffer

[astral willow]

Js rework the familiar and make him synergize with his passives bro

Deadass just take the one made by owo and replace it

Better in every way shape and form

[remote orbit]

and vergil is a way older unit and it doesnt make sense to compare a vf that came out this week to a unit that came out months ago

[lofty dagger]

Weird to see that he isnt buffing saber or smth

[tepid flint]

Funny how mark is used in infs and wl, leo has quite crazy placement dmg and cheap full aoe, vergil while barely used mainly cuz how he got fucked up by not following up on cc lockouts like he used to

[hollow saffron]

also how is that a excuse

[stray laurel]

ig we have chance?

[remote orbit]

owo made a way better familiar

[brazen ivy]

the point is when they came out they could be used, this is a tl from after summer
we didnt make the units mid straight away, they all were good on release
gil went from unusable due to being old to mid

[topaz gate]

Wasn’t gilg still used in inf for execute anyways too?

[astral willow]

No.

[brazen ivy]

yes he was

[runic inlet]

i'd rather use quetz over gil cause she buffs my fire units at least

[still lynx]

maybe in season 4

[astral willow]

You don’t die to normal enemies in inf

[delicate gorge]

nah was bad and still is

[tepid flint]

He was used last season cuz he was bugged and just deleted everyone with baiken

[astral willow]

You die to the bosses when they reach over like 300/400m hp

[tight wind]

The ishtar and saber passive on him was so stupid

[remote orbit]

maybe when he came out

[tepid flint]

Last szn gilga>gilga with familiar

[remote orbit]

but even then i doubt it

[astral willow]

Only time he was ever used was on his release, 1 update after and when a bug happens

[runic inlet]

the only viability gil has rn are stuns and slow which are just unrelated slop padding to his kit, and he's just overall an inferior slower

[astral willow]

They unironically made him worse than he was on his release

[tawny burrow]

Slow?

[astral willow]

Back then he was top 5 units even with his debuff

[tawny burrow]

Stun maybe

[tawny burrow]

But the slow?

[astral willow]

Now they have him a vanguard familiar and he’s not even top 20

Shit he barely top 30

[runic inlet]

30% slow bro

[lime sun]

Why are we even giving him slow

[tawny burrow]

Shit was just put there to fill space cause valk didnt want to give him anything good

[last blaze]

atleast he is better than diavolo rn

[topaz gate]

I still just genuinely think people are being way too overly critical of the situation

[astral willow]

Gave my man a vanguard familiar just for him to be horrible

[brazen ivy]

the funny part is

gil still gonna be ran with birb in inf

[astral willow]

Not even 😭 😭 😭

[brazen ivy]

[runic inlet]

diavolo? what's that?

[astral willow]

Diavolo unironically better

[runic inlet]

[last blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/colixart-hahaha-lol-thats-so-gif-18358692180034999134

[delicate gorge]

😭 he really is that bad

[timid drift]

Probably because it’s gilgamesh and he’s a fan favorite character who got done dirty

[runic inlet]

diavolo has a unique niche at least tbh

[astral willow]

Yeah cuz birb is better than the garbage we got

[rustic valley]

Where's haruka rin VF

[tawny burrow]

Hyped ass unit gets a vf and it barely improves him

[tepid flint]

He has no usage u see goblin skayer on tierlist and he has 1 usage not gamebreaking or anything gilga has 0

[tawny burrow]

A VANGUARD familiar

[astral willow]

About the same dps except his ability does something

Compared to this sad excuse for a nuke

[tepid flint]

Yh range over this shit any day

[tawny burrow]

And this VANGUARD familiar doesnt even make him better than gogeta

[hollow saffron]

-hyped unit
-ends getting a dogshit familiar
-not even top 20
-not even good on his niche
-anni update is coming

[topaz gate]

Well yeah, the familiar doesn't do anything for the one use case he has in inf. It just makes him better to use in other content now than he was otherwise

[tawny burrow]

Which was a while ago

[delicate gorge]

no would have only been a little complaining but after that bad of a excuse that they gave in polls its understandble

[tight wind]

I think its because its gilgamesh i dont think it should be below the gojo

[runic inlet]

birb is better cause you can still use his nuke without being forced into a 30 second single target aoe mode. genuinely better without a familiar in inf lb than with his vf

[still lynx]

he cant attack during np stacks which means he cant do his entire purpose which is to utilize execute

[hollow saffron]

gilgamesh will go from barely ussable to useless again when anni update release

[astral willow]

Deadass

[delicate gorge]

ye

[topaz gate]

Gojo's permanently obtainable. Gilg isn't.

[brazen ivy]

imma be real i feel like im beatin a dead horse its chill tho at the endof the day he is not useable and wont get buffed so its chill

[astral willow]

The dancing cat that’s buffs crit chance by 15% is better than this garbage

[tepid flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407095517565030483/1423105294552006709/togif.gif

My boi valentine better get top 1 when the time comes

[timid drift]

just make him obtainable gang no one gonna complain 🤦‍♂️😭

🙏

[remote orbit]

imo hes not even any better in inf than before, since they both have execute at the same time

[remote orbit]

FR BRUH

[lofty dagger]

If he is not better than jin mori...

[runic inlet]

the whole point of gil in inf is execute and the vf just makes him less capable of hitting multiple enemies which = less executes

[delicate gorge]

if we get a skin for people who had him i wouldnt complain

[remote orbit]

stop hiding behind the "oh its limited, we cant make it good"

[timid drift]

Crusaders literally did this

No one was complaining

[remote orbit]

but the devs wont do that

they are too lazy too

[delicate gorge]

kaguya top 5 btw

[timid drift]

They were just happy to use their favorite character who is meta

[remote orbit]

ik and thats the dumbest part about it

[astral willow]

Almost like that’s what we wanted this whole time, and it’s the point of vf

Omg

Who woulda thought

[topaz gate]

That's literally one of the most important reasons why

[wicked isle]

Do you think the devs will at least consider tweaking it a bit like allowing him to attack while firing noble phantasms and adding a gauge that shows how many stacks he has or will they really not touch on it anymore

[delicate gorge]

like 2 out of the top 5 in tl is bassicly just limited since escanor is gonna disappear too

[topaz gate]

They can't just rerun him

[astral willow]

But no guys we have to keep the value for when trading comes

[remote orbit]

yea but its litterally one of the dumbest reasons why

[timid drift]

then don’t make him limited

[topaz gate]

How is it dumb

[astral willow]

Acting like people don’t have 2/3 of him

[timid drift]

yes they can

[remote orbit]

KAGUYA is limited

[tawny burrow]

Says who

[astral willow]

What value

[ebon ridge]

they acting like gilgameshs trading value is above f tier 💔💔

[tawny burrow]

[brazen ivy]

most likely not

[remote orbit]

ESCANOR is limited

[topaz gate]

Tell that to the team that made that the case and left

[runic inlet]

i dont really like the idea of reruns but if we're going back to the old ideology of av with overbalancing stuff for dumb reasons then honestly just rerun him atp

[wicked isle]

That stinks but thanks for the answer, I wont get my hopes up

[hollow saffron]

we are talking about the same devs who can't even do the aizen skin

[remote orbit]

its in E tier for excrutiatingly bad

[ebon ridge]

hes gonna hae the same value as the vegeta winter skin💔

[astral willow]

Since the team is gone you could just, yk, make him a secret

[tawny burrow]

Blame everything on old devs and dont fix any of the issues✅ ✅ ✅

[astral willow]

Since nobody would complain

[hollow saffron]

we will end like tds waiting years for the skin

[astral willow]

Because th team is gone.

[tight wind]

Its 4 mounth?

[timid drift]

bro he had 0 trading value then, he has 0 now, he isnt gonna have value, just get permission from gilg owners and do a rerun

[topaz gate]

They rerun gilg, and suddenly every unit that's "limited" is no longer truly limited. Any unit could just become "limited until we decide to rerun them for whatever reason"

[drifting wolf]

why not tho if he's worth nothing and was duped too
just compensate the original owners and I don't think anyone will complain

[topaz gate]

It's not about gilg's value

[astral willow]

Literally all these issues are easily fixable if you just use the brain god gave you and think for longer than a second

[timid drift]

yes they can if gilg owners who are gonna trade decide to not want him to be limited

[tribal cove]

we might as well rerun divalo right guys?

[astral willow]

He never shoulda been exclusive to begin with

[timid drift]

devs aren’t trading units

players are

[tawny burrow]

But that would make the community happy and we cant have that in av

[astral willow]

Everyone has 2/3 of him since he was dupe don release AND you could get the key after they removed him

[topaz gate]

It's not up to the gilg owners because rerunning him affects more than just gilg

[runic inlet]

everything is the old dev teams fault or it's some convenient error caused by roblox that somehow effected no other games btw

[astral willow]

What does it affect.

[timid drift]

yes bro it makes everyone happy, what a terrible thing isn’t it?

[delicate gorge]

so they can make a tengen familiar which is like a update 0.1 unit or something op but the second they make a unit thats more than 3 updates after him its too much

[astral willow]

Please explain

[topaz gate]

Every unit with the limited tag.

[astral willow]

H o w .

[hollow saffron]

guys, if they do reruns then people will start asking for reruns for everyone

[astral willow]

Nobody asking for event limited units like ragna or even okarun to come back twin

[topaz gate]

If gilg gets a rerun, who's to say any other unit can't suddenly just get a rerun out of nowhere?

[astral willow]

We asking for a unit that never shoulda have been limited

[faint swift]

90% of the limited units are worth paper clips and pocket lint

[hollow saffron]

yea

[astral willow]

To get a rerun

Because you got him

[tawny burrow]

And whats the big issue with that

[ebon ridge]

shit already happens anyways

[astral willow]

Form a legend stage.

[remote orbit]

yea yea it says that other units can be rerun but this is different because everyone wants gilga to be rerun, even the gilga owners, he has no trade value anyways

[topaz gate]

It sets a precedent that it could happen with any limited unit

[flint crescent]

the dupe wasnt even considered that big of a deal if you were planning to farm him. The dupe was when you completed the quest you get 2 instead of just one. BUt if u try to grind another, u wont get another gilgamesh until the second one you already own was evo

[topaz gate]

Defeating the point of them being limited.

[flint crescent]

also yeah you can get the key, not the unit again

[remote orbit]

gilga has about 0 trade value

[astral willow]

If you don’t wanna rerun him then make him usable again

[remote orbit]

his trade value is worth nothing

[topaz gate]

It's not about gilg's trade value

[hollow saffron]

i will feel scammed if someone give me one for free

[lofty dagger]

Just pair gilga with broly and u good

[topaz gate]

What is so hard to grasp about that

[topaz gate]

broly cant buff gilg