Buff/Rework Gilgamesh's familiar and WE NEED VALENTINE (PASSION) VFAMILIAR

[red niche]

So are vanguards😭😭😭 these are our testers?

[fluid agate]

only gave a star because i need the boxing match to happen ✌️✌️

[glass igloo]

he made 6.5, 7.5 and 8 tho

[dim trench]

maybe gilga is on the next poll again

[unique bay]

Made a lot more worse than good

[wispy cliff]

sub familiar

[astral willow]

Another mid familiar

[hollow saffron]

Valk was the one who suggested GG update

[ruby carbon]

Y'all just complaining about everything 😭😭

[hollow saffron]

✌️

[ruby carbon]

atleast he got vfamiliar be happy

[dim lintel]

yes bro fire him

[stiff crystal]

maybe gilg is on the rerun poll

and only him

[ruby carbon]

My yamamoto is kinda homeless

[dense maple]

make gilga familiar corruptable and we are talking

[lofty dagger]

He is kinda kit kated

[toxic igloo]

seems like this is his official response

fair enough ig

[ruby carbon]

yo chill

[dim lintel]

what was his idea

[ruby carbon]

He still the strongest tho

[covert jackal]

he is stronger than gilgamesh, so if his familiar was also buns he would still be better than gilgamesh with familiar

[ruby carbon]

[hollow saffron]

he sucks as dps,boss killer,support and cosmetic unit

[wispy cliff]

stop hating on him he has a point with if he buffed a limited unit to upper meta he wouldnt really be a good dev my suggestion is at least a 175% damage buff

[brazen lily]

ts the guy who choose guilty gear for upd 6 😭

[topaz gate]

And? Vanguards were marketed as units that were supposed to be meta defining at least when they release, or at the very least at the top of meta

[ruby carbon]

nah

[toxic igloo]

pretty sure they all pick that

[hollow saffron]

so the limited vanguards can be

[ruby carbon]

I can see the execute passive be use in inf

[hollow saffron]

goblin slayer cam be

but no

[cold ledge]

all bro has to do is make a poll that says "buff gils familiar in return he reruns" problem solved oh wait his egos too big

[hollow saffron]

gilgamesh is way too much

[paper lodge]

literally nobody is defending this familiar its so embarrassing

[toxic igloo]

he alr said they wont be buffing him

[dim lintel]

yes pls

[faint swift]

he can save the game again if one of his ideas was.... idk.... fate update part 3....?

[dense maple]

can't he just accept he fumbled the familiar bruh

[ruby carbon]

the 3 vanguard before gilga was atleast broken tier

[wispy cliff]

tbf gilgamesh was like easiest exclusive to get whereas vanguards have the most tedious obtainment

[pale ginkgo]

i love av devs

[glass igloo]

he finna cook again with 9.0 i just know it

[toxic igloo]

if he adds jalter EVERYTHING is forgiven btw

[hollow saffron]

GG update almost killed the game
idk about that take bro

[ruby carbon]

well who tf cares it's Gilgamesh 🤣🤣🤣

[dim lintel]

• makes gilgamesh boss killer
  goblin slayer is boss killer
• give gilgamesh slow
  stark has slow

[ruby carbon]

Should have voted gogeta

[wispy cliff]

• hes giving us doom slayer were eating good

[ruby carbon]

🗣️

[topaz gate]

Yeah. And they're vanguards. Last I checked, gilg wasn't

[cold ledge]

lowkey the last opinion I have is the devs opinions when they say they wont do something. When the community begs enough they fumble

look at shiny transfer

[stiff crystal]

im scared

[toxic igloo]

the majority of the poll people who voted for him

[ruby carbon]

ah i see

So it wasn't a vfam?

[faint swift]

add mordred and the ccu will quadruple

[ruby carbon]

wow

how

[wispy cliff]

no possible way he can screw him up

[red niche]

The point of vanguard familiars are to be brought to vanguard levels, and the current level of vanguards show be baseline broken, not game breaking but usable consistenly, GILGAMESH IS BARELY USABLE...that 125% barely dos nothing considering his other passive that nerfs him by 30% luck what bro

[brazen lily]

Doom slayer passive leak:
Inflict slow for 40%

[dense storm]

45k votes for a decent support is kinda crazy 😔

[dim lintel]

follow up attacks
inflicts slow
maybe inflicts some stun

[cold ledge]

make a poll bro the community should have a say more so than devs ego wed all much prefer a rerun

[wispy cliff]

makes curse units do 999999% less damage

[paper lodge]

they dont care about the og people now

[paper lodge]

they want that huge flow of ccu

[ruby carbon]

If y'all voted gogeta he could have been better

🤣🤣

[paper lodge]

[remote orbit]

fr it needs a buff

[dense storm]

I voted for my goat

[covert jackal]

fr

[hollow saffron]

i mean

[faint swift]

ogs rise up 🙋‍♂️

[ruby carbon]

It's a no brainer man

He's already a vanguard

[toxic igloo]

no he wouldnt of since hes also a limited, they're making all of the limited familiars the same level of gilg's (probably)

[lofty dagger]

Pweeny?

[ruby carbon]

It means more buff to him

🤣🤣🤣

[lofty dagger]

Yeah same

[astral willow]

Doom slayer passive leek
-slows 50% every 10 seconds
-attacks 2 every time he slows

[wispy cliff]

he wouldve been doing 800k-900k ngl

[stiff crystal]

stuns

[robust heath]

10 minutes for cid 2 act by solo gilga 🔥
its shit.

[covert jackal]

prob he would be more usable than gilg

💀

[astral willow]

My fault I forgot to make him unique

[ruby carbon]

Nah atleast he got the vanguard dmg baseline of 300k+

[dense maple]

boss killer they said

[astral willow]

Doom slayer will also stun and repulse guys

[faint swift]

ZAMN! HES SHINY!

[hasty pivot]

this is what happens when u agenda posted, could've been gogeta in this situation

[hollow saffron]

gogeta vf if it was made by valk:
increase the chance of missing the attack and make the slow 50% every 3 seconds

[brazen lily]

Game saving passive

[ruby carbon]

So if familiar that's like 400+ with new passives

[astral willow]

Matter of fact doom slayer will be too meta support

[topaz gate]

who said the point of vanguard familiars were to bring the units to vanguard levels? They're just called vanguard rarity because they're unique to a single unit

[toxic igloo]

im goin back to making my eminence p2 suggestion

[astral willow]

Since yk

That’s what doom is about

Supporting.

[dim lintel]

gogeta familiar leaked
30% slow
follow up attack
uhh stun

[pale ginkgo]

instead of cattering to the already built community they seem to want the type of players als had, one bad update and they are gone

[drifting wolf]

should've known earlier
look how well the new players are getting treated with login and stuff

[astral willow]

Just like starkk and Gilgamesh

[viral thicket]

No it was valk

[wispy cliff]

gogeta with 1.15x dmg buff (passive 1, 3 times) does the same amount of damage as gilga so with 1.5x buff he probably would be dealing 2x more than gilga had he been given a vf

[astral willow]

They did lots of support shit in their respective verses

[lofty dagger]

When doom slayer supports demons by giving them 40dmg buff

[viral thicket]

His excuse on the current situation is bullshit

[drifting wolf]

don't forget the 15% damage boost🔥🔥🔥

[astral willow]

We all remember that one time Gilgamesh and stark slowed their enemies right

[ruby carbon]

Imean icl this is just balance for gil cuz he's limited not everyone can get him and if ever they make the fam broken ppl would complain

[upbeat bronze]

what did he say

[paper lodge]

we off av

[viral thicket]

You don’t want make Gilgamesh meta but you’re completely fine making bp units and vanguards op

[dim lintel]

🔥

[viral thicket]

Dumb ahh excuse

[wispy cliff]

makes guts demon spawns have 5000000000 kajillion hp (doom slayer spent a quadrillion years on hell and hates demons with his life)

[hasty pivot]

🔥

[dim lintel]

can we uhh fire valk

[sick river]

i fucking HATE VFAMILIARS 🗣️ ‼️ 🔥

[paper lodge]

i smell another downfall 😂

[hollow saffron]

gogeta familiar will increase his chance of missing the attack and make his slow stronger

[robust heath]

boss killer they said

[brazen lily]

Cant wait for his next game saving idea (Follow-up attacks, slow, and stun maybe repluse now for a twist)

[violet haven]

fr i’m so over ts

[dim lintel]

no way bruh

[faint swift]

obito vfamiliar idea: replace burn with 20% slow and remove his multi hits but give him a 30% slow follow up with a 1 minute cooldown

[dim lintel]

its so over

[violet haven]

like actually fuck the vanguard familiars atp just focus on actual content

[stiff crystal]

Doom slayer will buff akaza by 900 since he's a demon and we're not following logic

[covert jackal]

forgot the +150% dmg

[dim lintel]

holy shit u cooked

[faint swift]

🗣️ 🔥 ‼️

[topaz gate]

yeah, because I'm sure that's a good testing ground

[wispy cliff]

had to put smith as well

[sick river]

jfc i just need to make my suggestion post abt vfamiliars already 💔 gonna have to put all my complaints about them in a whole google doc just so that i don't go over the discord character limit

i should get started on it tonight

[dim lintel]

i mean if gilg is a boss killer u would expect him to kill cid pretty fast

[sick river]

i've had very negative opinions on them since the gojo familiar 😭

[hollow saffron]

oh yea, using the unit in the stage where the big deal is the FUCKING BOSS is not a good idea

[ruby carbon]

Give invincible a vfam

My goat

[brazen lily]

tester btw 😭

[faint swift]

mention me in it when its done i wanna read it

[wispy cliff]

watch them say "he debuffs every holy unit in range by 99.999999999% because he fought a god twice in doom eternal"

[hollow saffron]

if he fucking sucks as a boss killer then the fuck he is good at

[sick river]

bet 🙏

[viral thicket]

You told us he’s a boss killer

[topaz gate]

Not when it's reliant on a 3 minute CD nuke that he has to actually build stacks through

[hollow saffron]

as a fucking 2 seconds stun unit?

[viral thicket]

Deadass all you do is create excuses

Holy fuck

[young bone]

Whats the point of slow when you can just use Griffith 😭

[wispy cliff]

20% slow

[olive bone]

why ppl are mad? you really guys want him to be top 1 unit cuz yall have monarch on him 😭 🙏

[topaz gate]

Boss killer for progressive style content where you use the nuke at the end of the stage anyways

[viral thicket]

Where do you want use him in then

[bright sphinx]

instead of glazing the devs because they gave u that role as a tester admit that they butchered a highly anticipated unit and that they need to atleast buff or rework him

[topaz gate]

[iron dagger]

soooooo

[viral thicket]

So much for a boss killer

[iron dagger]

is gilga good or what

[violet haven]

so he’s not a good boss killer then?

[hollow saffron]

goblin slayer destroy him

[viral thicket]

No he’s the worst unit

[iron dagger]

🥹

[faint swift]

MID WHERES THE SLOW :SOB:

[stiff crystal]

I think any unit can do that

[tall fiber]

no

[severe torrent]

Gigamid

[hollow saffron]

EVERYONE FUCKING MOGS GILGA

[young bone]

We dont except escanor base damage but hes useless for the main thing hes made for

[sick river]

vfamiliars are actually so fucking problematic for the game oh my godd

[drifting wolf]

yes best in game

[paper lodge]

"boss killer" clears cid raid in 10 minutes

embarrassing buff

[young bone]

Escanor does it in like 7 right?

[sick river]

the communities just eat that shit up tho bc at least they're getting rerolls right guys?

[hollow saffron]

4 mins

[tight wind]

love to see

[iron dagger]

als parasite took over av

[viral thicket]

This is all he has to say

[upbeat bronze]

so he's gonna beat the hard bosses like high wl god statue?

[hollow saffron]

4 FUCKING MINUTES

[topaz gate]

They really don't. He's fine where he is and there is no good reason to buff an unobtainable unit, especially as much as people were expecting.

[viral thicket]

No because this is a shitty excuse he’s giving us

[dim lintel]

smartest valk decision

[hollow saffron]

valk is going to save av with another gg update

[violet haven]

valk or aandrevious

[dim lintel]

yo can we have aandre back

[young bone]

Atleast give the guy follow ups hes literally a walking machine gun

[brazen lily]

Shouldve justed asked if ppl were fine with a re-run this could had all been avoided

[dim lintel]

atleast he will have "everytime gilgamesh attacks, buff damage by 5%"

[covert jackal]

I think I'm spending this 100 coins into rr gng

[cold ledge]

ME WHEN KAGUYA ONE SHOTS EVERY CURRENT PROGRESSIVE STAGE WITH 2 CLICKS

[astral willow]

Never add familiars for unob units if you’re going to make them have no speciality to begin with

[tall fiber]

theyre going to make gilgamesh dogshit but add 14 units to the broken meta

[bright sphinx]

you really do glaze and speak like the devs. If you are going to make a vguard familiar that OP for others why do you bucther such a iconic unqiue, giving a slow to a unit thats meant to deal massive damage

[dim lintel]

"everytime gilgamesh does a attack, lower spa by 100%"

[wispy cliff]

wait yall how about this since he voted doom slayer hed have an obvious bias and make him op so how about we keep him because hes gunna make doom slayer have 1 billion damage

[topaz gate]

If people are mad because they rolled on Gilg after his VF got announced, that's entirely on them for getting impatient and rolling before they knew what the familiar did to decide whether they wanted to go for it or not. VFs are generally made for the people that already invested in the units to make them usably good again.

[astral willow]

Why the fuck does Gilgamesh slow, stun and do boss killing but excel at none of them

[brazen lily]

ALSO couldve ATLEAST done something with his dmg losing passive 🤞

[wispy cliff]

jack of all trades master of none ahh 🥀

[iron dagger]

smartest av decision after starrks 50% slow

[young bone]

Why even add slow Griffith is the best for it anyway

[violet haven]

complete ass pull passives

[iron dagger]

😭

[olive bone]

stand proud gilga, you're strong

[viral thicket]

20% slow

[molten dock]

no, people are mad because the familiar sucks

[astral willow]

Nah deadass

[viral thicket]

In this fucking economy

[stiff crystal]

you're better off using subaru

[pale ginkgo]

always blame the players

[molten dock]

it is not that hard to get

[faint swift]

the devs appeal to the people who eat ts up because if they dont the ccu gonna drop by like 75% sadly 💔

[wispy cliff]

starrks 50% slow is bullshit

[astral willow]

Mf slows, stuns and boss kills but is shit at all 3

[dim lintel]

maybe i should stick to gojo

[wispy cliff]

#1 espada acting as a support

[tight wind]

It's Gilgamesh, they're hoping for something higher up

[iron dagger]

both is bullshit 😭

[tame sphinx]

GILGAMESH IS ONLY GOOD FOR THE NUKE WHICH BUILDS UP IN ROUGHLY 123 SECONDS SINCE PLACEMENT AND CONTINUOUSLY ATTACKING

[viral thicket]

Gilga is not even used for anything at least tengen is fucking good

[tame sphinx]

Thats the conclusion

[topaz gate]

It's an unobtainable unit. They're hoping too much.

[sick river]

VFamiliars are unironically THE gateway into slop content

[iron dagger]

atleast gilgamesh has more material to use then starrk though

[viral thicket]

How does gilga end up being worse than tengen

[astral willow]

Mf one of the ONLY units to have the excite function and instead of adding on to that they made him a shitty version of everything in the fuckign game

[viral thicket]

No he don’t

[astral willow]

He does shit nuke dmg

[viral thicket]

Are you trolling miso

[astral willow]

Does shit slow

[viral thicket]

You don’t play the game

[astral willow]

Does shit stun

And does shit dps

[molten dock]

not like 50% of the game roster is made of unob characters lol

[bright sphinx]

its a 95% buff to his dmg, tengen got double that btw and the main thing hes supposed to be used for is massive damage dealing when he is only fealing such damage in very few cases such as infinite in high waves

[cold ledge]

no people are mad you idiots think we care about balance on a non competitive game 99.5% of people dont play LB or tournaments they aint got the resources to when its easy enough to just disable the familiar in those modes

God forbid we got a vote on it rerunning to avoid this huh?

[stiff crystal]

miso is aying

rework him

[viral thicket]

Please miso respectfully don’t say something related to
Gameplay if you don’t play av

[robust heath]

freak with 3 wives vs demigod (+- around tier, one from random guy used kaguya)

[sick river]

or we could just rerun limited units such as gilgamesh who were done dirty who have little to no value.

[tame sphinx]

Melted turbo crab with 45m hp meanwhile gilg with 3.42m in enuma elish alone

[toxic igloo]

he meant more material to pull passives from gng

not usefulness

[sick river]

like it's update 8.5 and we don't have trading yet

[iron dagger]

im referring to reference material that can be used to create a kit.passive you nincompoop

[warm wharf]

Fr, they didn't even made a new icon for the familiar its the fucking same from the evo item.

[dim lintel]

yup yup seems fair

[sick river]

why are we adding so many limited units

[viral thicket]

For trading?

[pale ginkgo]

trading didnt even drop yet its always making its presence with making the game more and more miserable

[astral willow]

Like bro what the fuck is this

[viral thicket]

What kind of question is that

[timber sonnet]

Mushy proving again hes 1970

[topaz gate]

VFs are literally made to work in traitless modes, including comp 😭

[wispy cliff]

y they doing sm

[timber sonnet]

Can’t read for shit

[sick river]

trading's a pipe dream let's not lie

[faint swift]

i doubt any of these limited units are gonna have any value at all

[astral willow]

And he’s still bad in those traitless modes bc Gilgamesh costs and arm and a fucking leg to max out

He’s ass bro

[covert jackal]

so people who actually played back then and invested in him gets a mid familiar? alr understandable

[topaz gate]

Trading systems were a mistake.

[bright sphinx]

theyre made to make using a unit fun and viable again, not trash and useless

[modern cloud]

same for sukuna tbh

[warm wharf]

If the trade drops the game will die ngl

[iron dagger]

save us avx

[viral thicket]

Not true bru

Jealous people

[cold ledge]

that why odyssey locks me out? No one cares bro NO one cares genuinely again make a poll rn guaranteed 95% of this community is slapping rerun for a buff

[paper lodge]

we on ac

[viral thicket]

You know what’s funny? Gilgamesh isn’t used for anything

[faint swift]

BUT....! who tryna slide me space ishtar skin when trading drops ?👀

[sick river]

gilga, ishtar, toji, choi were all arbitrarily made limited units just to boost the "trading economy" (we don't even have trading yet)

[cold ledge]

gil has no value

[warm wharf]

idk but has a chance, the game almost died some times already

[bright sphinx]

just like sukuna before the vf buff, look at him now

[cold ledge]

the only tower IN this game that has value is diavolo and shiny vanguards

[viral thicket]

You can’t use him for lb runs because cid nuke everything so what’s reason do I have to use Gilgamesh ?

[cold ledge]

no ones gonna cry gil gets reran

[viral thicket]

Why would I use him for progressive when there’s are better options?

[timber sonnet]

Aura

[warm wharf]

And shiny WL.

[sick river]

yeah bro let's just make all these super cool characters limited units in the first couple updates of the game and then leave them to rot with no chance for any cool buff or evolution

[robust heath]

ok he better than escanor cuz he can BREAK TH ESHIELDS WOOOW

[sick river]

robbed of vanguard gilga evolution because he's limited

[dim lintel]

holy shit that wwas so much aura mushy

ur the goat bro

[timber sonnet]

Holy glaze

[sick river]

robbed of spishtar being an actual unit because for some reason she was??? a skin???

[viral thicket]

u can use Escanor on sand

[timber sonnet]

Mushy doesnt even play the game

[viral thicket]

just place him on wave 2

[dim lintel]

not glaze?

if its true its not glaze bub

[sick river]

not to mention that ishtar was the ONLY banner limited unit ever added to the game

[timber sonnet]

That is glaze

[woeful basin]

the cope for this familiar is lowkey crazy

[sick river]

she was made limited

for quite literally no reason

[robust heath]

it was sarcasm

[timber sonnet]

What he said was not aura

[woeful basin]

its like u expect gilgamesh to have high dps when he has some insane passives

[stiff crystal]

robbed gilg and ishtar for being limited

[sick river]

my discontent for limited units and vfamiliars is overwhelming

[woeful basin]

hello?

[faint swift]

i lowkey think giselle got more value than like half the units mentioned 😭

[woeful basin]

do we not read?

his 1st passive is bunz

[brazen lily]

Same guy who choose GG and designed the passives for AOT units btw
and they let him cook some more

[woeful basin]

but thats that

[hasty pivot]

monarch guts still clears this guy im so sad

[iron dagger]

so when are we removing these vfamliars and replacing them with a better system

[cold ledge]

omg he kills enemies below 10% hp (kaguya does double his dmg and one shots them)

[sick river]

guilty gear units are some of the highest quality units in the game let's not lie

[paper lodge]

the leak was so ass we all thought it was fake 😭

[sick river]

their whole animation style fucks hard

[hollow saffron]

crazy passive
when jin mori not only ignores dmg reduction but he also deal more damage based on it

[timber sonnet]

When valk leaves the balance team

[topaz gate]

GG units being genuinely cool
AoT units being literally tournament dominating since they released

[timber sonnet]

Or when the boss buys av

[sick river]

the only reason guilty gear was shat on js because it's relatively niche

[lilac path]

Bump

[astral willow]

Escanor does it faster.

[iron dagger]

idk valk has done some good and some bad

[dim lintel]

i think the community disagrees

[iron dagger]

would say more good then bad tho

[cold ledge]

literally do NOT speak on AOT units being tournament meta because thats whats currently RUINING that mode

[astral willow]

Because if and game design

[sick river]

the point about AOT units being for tourney is a double negative btw

[covert jackal]

give another unit a 20m nuke and see if they domiate tournaments too

[astral willow]

They are tournament dominating and NOBODY LIKES IT

[sick river]

no one likes rumbling tournaments

bc that's all every tournament is p much

[astral willow]

horrible way to defend it

[bright sphinx]

Bro stop glazing and js admit valk messed up and instead of enraging the community he should compensate and give us a buff

[topaz gate]

But I thought the units were bad?

[hollow saffron]

GG update that come with a lot of game breaking bugs, with one of the worst gamemodes ever made, with a dogshit quest unit
the aot update that have a unit that is better unevo than evo, the fucking unit that is better alone that being used with his team
that kind of updates uh?

[cold ledge]

literally all they gotta do is shed the ego and ask the community if they want reruns

[astral willow]

Every other tournament is a rumbling spam mess that requires zero skill, same reason yall had to change how the tournament debuffs work 3 separate times

[tight wind]

for 90% they are bad

[stiff crystal]

all this and y'all didn't bother fixing the one problem with him

[cold ledge]

no ones gonna fucking say no

[brazen lily]

Dont matter how cool or good they are in tourney, point is those upds were considered extremly bad. AOT didnt even raise player count

[viral thicket]

This is trash please shut up lol

Broly destroy everything

[timber sonnet]

Most brain dead take Ive ever seen in my lifetime

[viral thicket]

There’s no game mode where excite is useful in

[paper lodge]

this poll is useless bro they aint buffing it we gilgamesh owners lost

[sacred ember]

does this mean rogita will also be trash?

[bright sphinx]

fr thjey may be the most popular gmae rn but that can change very easily

[viral thicket]

Exeecute*

[astral willow]

Shit killed player count bro

[topaz gate]

PvP was shit, I pretend it does not exist
GG itself and the units weren't though. The only part of the update I didn't like was the EX stage.

[paper lodge]

[stiff crystal]

Dude why the hell does gilg even slow

[tight wind]

gogeta will save us

[lofty dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/887047827388235828/1413654896363700224/togif.gif

[hollow saffron]

because everyone totally liked the GG update to the point they loved it that they had to leave the game for some reason

[stiff crystal]

how does that fit him

[astral willow]

So the update was ass

[faint swift]

i like guilty gear

[astral willow]

Is what you’re saying

[timber sonnet]

Fr

[dark nimbus]

the bad shouldnt overshadow the good. gilga is ass bc trading but the only unit with value is diavolo so js do a gilga rerun 🥹

[astral willow]

😭 😭 😭

[topaz gate]

The gamemode of the update was

[sick river]

me too it's a fire game w/ great characters

[lofty dagger]

I like lucy from guilty gear too

[timber sonnet]

I left the game because I wanted to save the gg ex stage for the next year

[paper lodge]

are we sure gilga even worth 5 rrs

[topaz gate]

The units were good, well designed both visually and in kit

[timber sonnet]

Fuck trading bro

[astral willow]

If the only good thing about an update are the 9 units, 9 of which nobody uses anymore, then the update was by definition ass

[stiff crystal]

guilty gear isn't a bad game

[timber sonnet]

Idk why they want to add it

[stiff crystal]

its rlly fun actually

[sick river]

people just don't like that gg stuff was added for a whole update because it's relatively niche

[astral willow]

PvP is ass

[pale ginkgo]

AoT units made tournaments boring and predictable
GG units are very cool but more on the note of the models/vfx/animations being all high quality

[astral willow]

The ex stage was ass

[hollow saffron]

everything was shit, the units, the new gamemodes and the game itself was shit because for some fucking reason you guys broke tournaments and wordlines

[timber sonnet]

Exclusives and limited are terrible for the game

[sick river]

truth nuke

[astral willow]

The obtainment for baiken was ass

So 90% of the update was ass

[arctic blaze]

500 players vs 1 valk boxing match fair imo

[cold ledge]

yeah man I loved when lfelt dropped and you guys did 0 testing then a week later got nerfed to the ground after people spent on her I really enjoyed that

[sick river]

we're on update 8.5 and we still don't have trading btw

[astral willow]

But you’re here glazing the 9 units instead

[hollow saffron]

you ain't telling me that pvp was a good idea

[timber sonnet]

It’s basically impossible for people to get her now

[faint swift]

lucy such a good dlc character they put her in an anime 🔥

[hollow saffron]

and that was from valk

[timber sonnet]

No one plays PvP

[sick river]

why are we still making limited units when it's clear that trading is a ways away

[iron dagger]

one day right

[rapid pecan]

yeah its not but no one below the age of 16 knows what gg is😭

[dark nimbus]

i think its a lazy concept added to keep players grinding

[hollow saffron]

same person who say he saved av

[cold ledge]

"she was still meta tho!"

[hollow saffron]

WHEN HE ALMOST KILLED IT TWICE

[brazen lily]

AOT legit ruined tournaments deadass cant even say they did a good thing for them

[stiff crystal]

ngl nether I do have 1 question

[stiff crystal]

why does gilg slow

like im serious

[red niche]

1. Thats a dumb reason they could of used ANY other rarity
2. He said the reason for not being too op is because limited, atp dont do a familiar unless your doing a rerun atp
3. The familiar itself has HORRIBLE synergy with Gigglemeth himself

[pale ginkgo]

fr

[toxic igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414538130299687084/1417809636098179072/caption.gif

its coming back

[astral willow]

AOT update was also ass with an abysmal grind. So sad that a beloved anime got done so dirty, then the units they released ruined tournaments forever because it requires zero skill to play them due to the rumbling

[tame sphinx]

They wanted us to play gilgamesh like in this scene where he was the last one to attack, like how we nuke the boss in the last wave lmfao

[viral thicket]

20% slow on Gilgamesh

[bold solar]

Gil's chains of heaven are meant to completely stop his enemy's movement. Slow is funny

[tame sphinx]

Slow incantation

[hollow saffron]

zeke is better alone than with eren and ymir

[stiff crystal]

it stuns

[hollow saffron]

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE

[stiff crystal]

it doesn't slow

😭

[hollow saffron]

THE ACKERMANS ARE BETTER UNEVO THAN EVO

[tame sphinx]

30% slow 🤡

[hollow saffron]

VALK DIDN'T COOK SHIT

[stiff crystal]

The move he uses doesn't slow

[topaz gate]

fuck if i know

[astral willow]

LOL

[topaz gate]

i dont make kits

[iron dagger]

he slows because uh

his aura

so strong

[bright sphinx]

he slows because valk is butchering the game

[arctic blaze]

Valk just making the chars mid if he they aren't his "niche" genre or doesn't like them

[faint swift]

kings of ifs

[hollow saffron]

he slows because the enemy smell the dogshit familiar he have and feel bad for him

[young bone]

He slows to give himself extra time to job hes called the king of jobbers for a reason

[topaz gate]

something something chains stun, then the enemy breaks the chains but is slowed by the effort idk

[timber sonnet]

Hes going to make dio oh shit on purpose 100%

[astral willow]

Deadass

[timber sonnet]

I have no faith in him at all

[faint swift]

b- but if he wasn't arrogant....!

[stiff crystal]

they can't make him shit

ppl gonna rage

[tight wind]

admit that they just don't know what to give

[timber sonnet]

They’ll find a way

They always do

[topaz gate]

What other rarity? Exclusive, Secret, and Mythic are already all taken up. Vanguard rarity familiars are a tier completely separate from every other familiar

[stiff crystal]

if dio oh is shit, #「💬」general will literally become HELL

[covert jackal]

wouldn't be the first time

[young bone]

If only

[astral willow]

Guys dio over heaven got leaked

• 50% slow
• 1 second stun
• nerfs all units and himself by 50% if in the presence of another unit
• does 10k dps

[covert jackal]

unique

[hollow saffron]

gilgamesh with the priest walks in

[arctic blaze]

These devs hate us just look at pyseph

[faint swift]

bring back rare rarity with the first ever rare double evo

[hollow saffron]

😭

[topaz gate]

Also, the poll was made saying the unit wouldn't be getting a rerun. Because trading is such a wonderful system and people get all pissy the moment you mention rerunning a limited unit

[bold solar]

Those chains are meant for gods. Nobody should be breaking them tbh. But who cares about lore atp

[brazen lily]

inflicts slow for 50% then foloow up with a stun top tier right there

[young bone]

Yorokobe this shit is ass guys

[timber sonnet]

They should just scrap trading

[bold solar]

Idk abt wonderful

Theres a reason awtd is a better made game

[timber sonnet]

And just give compensation for people who have limited units

[hollow saffron]

they fucking add trading before the idea of limited units vf

[timber sonnet]

And start rerunning them

[stiff crystal]

even aba manage to get that right

😭

[hollow saffron]

IS THAT HARD TO USE YOUR BRAINS

[paper lodge]

this js made gilgamesh value worse good job devs

[timber sonnet]

Yes

[astral willow]

Nah bro trust call

Valk

He knows

[topaz gate]

It's way too late for that unfortunately

[timber sonnet]

Av devs and players cant think at all

[hollow saffron]

THE SOLUTION IS RIGHT THERE

[astral willow]

I can’t wait for doom slayer to slow enemies 50%

[timber sonnet]

It’s never too late

[paper lodge]

players can devs cant

[timber sonnet]

No

[hollow saffron]

BUT NO, RELEASE IT AND USE THE SHITTY EXCUSE OF IS LIMITED

[iron dagger]

only AVX can save us from trading

[timber sonnet]

It’s both

[arctic blaze]

Only if these devs didnt make 70% of unit limited for some reason

[timber sonnet]

Mushy exists

And 1970

[topaz gate]

Wonderful (sarcastic)
was that better

[brazen lily]

then do a follow up attack that crits

[stiff crystal]

I can def see doom slayer having the griffith passive where he gains more dmg, if he kills demons

or summons them idk

[timber sonnet]

Which are the same people

[astral willow]

Yeah, and I can see him slowing and stunning too

[timber sonnet]

Yes

[astral willow]

And using attack 2

[tender flare]

they ran out fo passive ideas

[stiff crystal]

he's not gonna stun, he's gonna crit THEN STUN

[astral willow]

AND DOING A BIG 10K DPS

mega support doom slayer bro

[stiff crystal]

doom slayer is unbound support

[astral willow]

U right nah fault

[sick river]

i heart wasting awesome characters such as gilgamesh early on in the game's lifespan, making him limited for the sole purpose of boosting trading value (trading hasn't been dropped in any update since the game's release)

[faint swift]

add mega evolution

[sick river]

this is so smart guys

[stiff crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

this guy will buff unbound by 50

[timber sonnet]

Fr

[red niche]

I give u the vanguard familiar stuff,, but my point still stands, Gigglemeth went from being unusable to BARELY usable, hes BARELY meta and they could of done his familiar more uniquely if not to make him brainlesslt op, as the community was hyped for him to be lackluster

[astral willow]

I forgot abt the crit, does attack 2, but attack 2 stuns, but after a stun they are slowed

[timber sonnet]

They should make a game mode that no one plays and never fix it too

[astral willow]

Meta support doom slyer guys

[timber sonnet]

I think that’ll be smart

[stiff crystal]

oh nah

[sick river]

let's just leave all limited units to rot so they just stay dogshit even if they're cool characters whom deserve better than a shitty vfamiliar

[faint swift]

buff slows by 50*

[robust heath]

doom slayer is unbound support buffing akaza cuz we dont think abt logic

[young bone]

Fate/Hollow True Ending

[robust heath]

Tengen vs Demigod-Gilgamesh?

[hollow saffron]

watch the new update add a character that completely make gilgamesh even more irrelevant

[lofty dagger]

I see him tping everywhere bc he jumps to enemies

[paper lodge]

4 out of 6 gilgamesh passives are literally useless

[astral willow]

Akaza? Nah bro have him buffing cha in

[toxic igloo]

dio oh will slow by 60% dw

[astral willow]

King of heroes guys trust

[faint swift]

shirou victim ❤️

[timber sonnet]

Next update is going to powercreep everything

[arctic blaze]

Dio oh might just shit since i saw someone say valk hates dio oh

[stiff crystal]

30%

[lofty dagger]

King of horses

[astral willow]

Woah woah buddy that’s way too much

He’s slowing by 50%

[tawny burrow]

and broly and everyone else
5m dps🔥

[bold solar]

All aoko victims

[misty dragon]

i like how he loses damage when i place non-fate units near him

[stiff crystal]

and he's gonna get hated on if he does

[robust heath]

tengen buffs akaza cuz he demon slayer

[stiff crystal]

i dont like dio oh, but if they make him ass it's over

[toxic igloo]

67

[hasty pivot]

its balanced cuz they will make his timestop worse than diego

[timber sonnet]

Valk hates anything popular

[robust heath]

[faint swift]

dont worry bro it wont apply to bosses!

[bold solar]

The devs only care about pleasing their fans if theyre a mainstream battle shonen like jjk or jojos

They hate everything else

[hollow saffron]

valk making sure gilgamesh is dogshit so he can make doom slayer busted as hell

[timber sonnet]

That’s why hes trying to kill av so it become niche

[sick river]

i love hype and aura slop

[sick river]

js add blue lock to AV

[tawny burrow]

why even is valk on the team

[sick river]

[stiff crystal]

also im ngl

[timber sonnet]

Idk

[stiff crystal]

im rlly not gonna use gilg with his familiar

[toxic igloo]

bout that 🥀

[timber sonnet]

They couldn’t think of anyone else

[lofty dagger]

Uhh, whats the context from this

[hollow saffron]

valk cooked updates like uhh

[faint swift]

the community gonna lose their minds when a good amount of the anni units turn out to not be anime characters

[topaz gate]

Barely usable is all he really needed tbh. Better than being unusable for a unit people invested a lot into when he was available, and better than being top of meta when players can't even get him anymore.

[hollow saffron]

GG update

[young bone]

He got jumped

[tender flare]

hes the balancer

[paper lodge]

valk didnt cook nothing

[bold solar]

??? Ok come on hes better with it than without

[iron dagger]

when s3 drops i know fs they making them skins 😭

[viral thicket]

Theres just no point in using him if you have GS monarch though. GS doesnt get debuffed, applies rupture, his nukes do 400% of his dmg, multiple use in quick succession
Gil only does his once, 100 second cd and gets debuffed when around other units. His slow is basically nonexistent since it lasts for 2 seconds

[toxic igloo]

is gogeta gonna get the same treatment

[stiff crystal]

I'm not using him at all

😭

[stiff crystal]

im using esdeath

[tawny burrow]

a dogshit balancer

[lofty dagger]

By a bug?

It looks like a roach

[bold solar]

Didnt need top of meta, just at the bottom. That way he doesnt ruin balance of tourneys

[tender flare]

i mean this is his one failure

hes eben a decent balancer

[bold solar]

Or buffed units should be banned from tourneys for 3 months

[topaz gate]

Probably. Doesn't really need a VF rn anyways with gogeta super being out, he doesn't deserve a poll spot rn.

[young bone]

Thats Archer Heracles read Fate/Strange Fake great manga

[iron dagger]

aot, pvp, energy drain, blinded, starrk

[toxic igloo]

@viral thicket told u gng

[tender flare]

he just made gilgamesh a little meta instead of mid tier meta

[hollow saffron]

the aot units are dogshit

[stiff crystal]

So was he just on there for bait

[stiff crystal]

😭

[hollow saffron]

the ackermans are better unevo

[tender flare]

yeah aot was bunz

[hollow saffron]

how the fuck is that possible

[young bone]

Ain't no god damn way

[tender flare]

e drain and blinded r fine

[topaz gate]

He was 40%????????????

[tender flare]

pvp is eh

[astral willow]

Bro was meta on his release

[arctic blaze]

Making units dogshit just cause he doesn't like them is the most egotistical thing a balancer can do💔

[red niche]

1. Literally all VF made to broken AND besides gojo who was meta support were lit worse then Gigglemeth
2. They could of easily brought him back fkr the duration of the event or make you buy him in shop just so that if u dont have him og you cant get the familiar right away

[stiff crystal]

LMAO

[iron dagger]

the pre nerfed versions WERE not fine

[tender flare]

when did e drain get nerfed

[iron dagger]

only took the community whining for a month or so for it to get nerfed

[tawny burrow]

but lets give sukuna a full aoe followup and + a billion damage😁

[iron dagger]

around when aot released iirc

[young bone]

40% is so useful what the hell

[dim lintel]

real

[signal hatch]

Did my goat dirty

[iron dagger]

it used to be 100%

[lofty dagger]

Oh man, i gotta read a lot of fate

[iron dagger]

attack drain

[faint swift]

i heard that the manga is still going? also where can I read strange fake idk if i can wait till the anime returns in january

[signal hatch]

😢

[tender flare]

literally just use nature or spark or vsjw

[red niche]

Valk is a bias slop who should stay on YouTube and I stand on 10 toes

[tender flare]

😭

[timber sonnet]

[misty dragon]

i think giving limited units vanguard familiars is just a bad choice to begin with ngl

[timber sonnet]

Valk is getting so much hate now

[topaz gate]

the only one that's broken is sukuna. The others were just alright, same as gilgs.
again, it's not just as simple as bringing him back, because that STILL pisses off a large portion of the community

[tender flare]

people just complain to complain cuz they dont want to counter the easily counterable thing and not adapt to the stages to fix their problem

[red niche]

"Whats up guy Valk here" stay thier😭

[signal hatch]

Just read the novel since manga has hella delays

[timber sonnet]

Who cares

Just do it anyway

[iron dagger]

yes cuz hardlockout is really nice fs

[tight wind]

gilgamesh is goblin slayer victim

[topaz gate]

Yeah, that's the whole point of the poll. That's what this was designed to show

[bold solar]

Anyways we still getting Subaru vanguard rerun right

[astral willow]

But if you’re gonna do it, do it right and don’t make it mid slop where he’s a bad support and a bad dps all in one 😭 😭

[timber sonnet]

They didn’t care for the community’s opinion for other shit

Why care now

[iron dagger]

and the rosters for the respective elements wereint very large

[tender flare]

bro if you used the units that were designed to complete the stage

[hasty pivot]

shed the ego and make a poll

[tender flare]

maybe

[young bone]

Nasu is really slow with it but it's quality over quantity and honestly you can just search for Fate/strange fake manga and youll find it on some pirate website

[red niche]

Broken as in broken tier, tester don't even know thier own game...OUR testers btw

[tender flare]

just maybe you wouldnt have an issue

[stiff crystal]

This why diavolo should've won

[signal hatch]

Give me Subaru familiar

[dim trench]

Yea man

[stiff crystal]

do u rlly want that

[topaz gate]

I said broken as in broken tier

[tender flare]

tengen is not broken dawg

[bold solar]

Will save my life

[red niche]

All VF units btw

[hasty pivot]

but atleast he's on a good spot now

[sick river]

i love deciding vfamiliars through polls that are objectively biased bc people js vote for units they have monarch on rather than units who were done dirty by the devs or actually deserve to come back to the meta like archer, sbr units, & cha 💔

[bold solar]

Galaxy just left AWTD team which i think means no more Subaru evo coming for isekai event. This is a tragedy

[timber sonnet]

Gilg is going to be made a new tier on the tierlist

[tender flare]

tl is buns they never fixed the broken category

[timber sonnet]

dogshit

[stiff crystal]

you better give them ides if they do one then

[topaz gate]

sukuna was the only one to be genuinely broken tier. The rest of them are just upper meta, fairly solid units

[red niche]

AND GUESS WHAT TIER ITS IN, you wouldn't believe it

[misty dragon]

no fun allowed ig

[stiff crystal]

ideas*

[paper lodge]

WHERE IS GILGAMESH😡😡

[red niche]

Thats my point

[bold solar]

Yeah i mean it would just be a set of abilities or passives, one for each if route

[paper lodge]

i think everyone is pissed that they made gilgamesh vf ass

[stiff crystal]

I don't think they read re:zero

[astral willow]

Gilgamesh was done dirty by the devs tho

[timid drift]

he means bringing back characters who have already left into meta🥀

[bold solar]

Thats why i have no faith

[astral willow]

So was all of sbr

[young bone]

I still cant believe Valk bent us over like that for gilgamesh execution 40% was like how he was in fate extra ccc with a 10% extra boost

[bold solar]

[timber sonnet]

Maybe

[tender flare]

his slow stacks but thats a bug so atleast a bug is saving him rn

[tawny burrow]

or do an inbetween and make him good but not as good as current vanguard units

this is just ass

[astral willow]

Gilgamesh literally has a passive that debuffs him in the presence of others

[red niche]

Welp I come out victorious in a argument yet again

[astral willow]

Antisocial unit

[timid drift]

only broken limited unit we probably have is kaguya 😭

Can’t rlly think of any others

[bold solar]

We had 1 rezero reader (the owner) who was useless in making subaru good, and then they left the team

[young bone]

And honestly why is he getting debuffed

[paper lodge]

LOLL old devs + new devs cant even do gilgamesh justice

[timber sonnet]

He’s such a bum he can’t hang around other people

[misty dragon]

whoever thought of that needs to be gone

[young bone]

He should be debuffing other units in HIS presence

[tawny burrow]

nendou for av or something

[lofty dagger]

Except with his baddies ig

[misty dragon]

thats the most dogshit passive ive ever seen

[astral willow]

Escanor.

[dim lintel]

if i was the one who decides vf stats..............

they should hire me

[red niche]

The 125% buff lit gets nerfed from himself, the familiar has HORRBLE synergy with his own familiar lmao

[tender flare]

yall should keep the slow stacking bug tho

that might make him good

[faint swift]

b- but his ego....!

[timid drift]

He’s not limited rn, you can still obtain him very easily aswell

[astral willow]

Nah like deadass whoever made this familiar has to get fored

[astral willow]

R u slow?

[stiff crystal]

This is THE BEST passive idea i've seen

[bold canopy]

gogeta and diavolo both fell off, if gilg familiar was this bad hate to have seen a gogeta familiar but then they’d probably say “b-but its a vanguard” instead

[tawny burrow]

valk when it comes to balancing🔥 (he gives the units he likes broken stats and makes the others have shit stats)

[paper lodge]

YES AND ISHSTAR IS LIMITED TOO

[astral willow]

By that logic you could have gotten gogeta and kaguya for like 2/3 months as well

[hasty pivot]

escanor soon to be 🤞

[tender flare]

gogeta would not be any better

[timber sonnet]

We love to see Av balancers not give a shit about the unit

[astral willow]

Quite literally limited units

[forest quail]

old dev team had 0 imagination bro

[astral willow]

Btw Ishtar is also a limited

[timber sonnet]

Why was she even limited

[stiff crystal]

trading

lol

[timber sonnet]

Makes no sense

[timid drift]

you can play the game and obtain esconar right now, im taking about units who have already left

[stiff crystal]

that and they felt like it

[robust heath]

k with vfx its maybe not bad

[red niche]

Notice how not a single person besides Valk glazer disagree with me

[astral willow]

And Escanor will leave and be top of meta

[timber sonnet]

All of these dogshit decisions are because of trading

[astral willow]

Therefor he’s limited

[pale ginkgo]

regular banner limited btw

[timid drift]

Better go get the easiest vanguard before he leaves then

[hasty pivot]

madoka magica type shit unit

[astral willow]

Gng idc abt the vfx i can barely run them without he game turning into a slideshow

I want him to be usable

[timid drift]

he is usable

[timber sonnet]

[tender flare]

hes a fine balancer

[timber sonnet]

Who even plays with vfx on

[tender flare]

i'd say

[timber sonnet]

That looks sick

[young bone]

He should get more attack but a chance to randomly attack allies

[timber sonnet]

Who is that

[faint swift]

does he not have indicator for how many stacks he has?

[red niche]

Fine dont mean good

[tender flare]

ishtar lb skin

[pale ginkgo]

ishtar vanguard rarity skin

[cursive mortar]

As if you could see that past the Sukuna fire arrows and follow ups, Escanor's literal sun, everything Rimuru does etc

[timid drift]

gilgamesh shouldn’t have been anywhere near top meta after falling off for MONTHS

[stiff crystal]

space ishtar

[robust heath]

its bundle

[timber sonnet]

They locked a cool as skin

[fluid agate]

the only vanguard skin in the entire game 💔

[timber sonnet]

Behind lb and a limited unit

[astral willow]

He’s not usable tho. He sucks af everything he does. He’s a worse support than weather report and a worse dps than Vergil and a worse Nuke than the weakest nuke in the game, which need I remind you, IS HIS.

[red niche]

The Gigglemeth familiar HARDLY works with Gigglemeth as a familiar because of his og passoves

Hes barely usable

[robust heath]

ik

[astral willow]

He went from worst nuke in the game to worst nuke in the game

[forest quail]

av devs made a limited vangaurd skin for a limited unit

yes ofc

[stiff crystal]

that's why I said the familiar should've fixed his SHITTY first passive

[forest quail]

makes sense

[red niche]

Went from. Not unable--> Barely usable

[timber sonnet]

They’ll just blame it on the old devs like always

[forest quail]

av devs when anything goes wrong

[timber sonnet]

Every bad decision is the old devs fault

[faint swift]

pretty sure its a vanguard rarity skin aswell 😭

[young bone]

250% attack with a chance to attack allies in his range

Follow up with Gate of Babylon after every attack

Np passive js fine I guess

[tawny burrow]

and wont fix it too

[timber sonnet]

Aot and GG update was the old devs fault

[timid drift]

he does like 20m nuke dmg that is one of the best

[paper lodge]

bro this wouldn't have happened if trading already exist

[timid drift]

🔥

[tight wind]

single target

[young bone]

Or is valk just didnt bend us over

[paper lodge]

limited my ass

[astral willow]

Does not do 20m, and it’s a single target nuke

[timid drift]

oh yes bro ur nuking 50 enemies with 5 hp

[pale ginkgo]

not really a nuke it only hits a single enemy

[timber sonnet]

Valk is an old dev in disguise

[astral willow]

Vsjw does allat full map

[forest quail]

but single target nuke

[red niche]

NP lit carries the familiar...BUT HAVING ONLY 1 GOOD PASSIVE IN A VANGUARD....KEYWORD VANGUARD FAMILIAR IS CRAZY

[paper lodge]

valk is andres alt

[astral willow]

Kaguya does allat full map

[timid drift]

use it on a boss bro😭

[tawny burrow]

more like a snipe

[timber sonnet]

Fr

[timid drift]

nukes r meant for bosses

[lofty dagger]

Goated in secret???

[red niche]

And its only every 120 secs soooooo

[timid drift]

cause kaguya is insane

[cursive mortar]

The concern with this that I have is that Vanguard Familiars are supposed to be the lifter for the unit for the foreseeable future. Gilgamesh will go from barely usable to unusable again due to powercreep by next update, any niche use he has will be gone or he'll be that massively outshone. Then what? His VF gets a VF?

[timid drift]

lol

[faint swift]

do yall think birbs will REALLY have that big of value in trading?

[tawny burrow]

his base passives are mostly ass too

[stiff crystal]

yes

[young bone]

I like my design for it he should absolutely have follow up attacks

[robust heath]

its not limited

[forest quail]

monarch kaguya escanor and vsjw are 10x better he’s not even worth a slot

[timid drift]

ur comparing a 1/20,000 unit to a limited unit u could get in 20 mins lmfao

[red niche]

Exactly Valk did Gigglemeth dirty

[astral willow]

Why would I use his on a boss and not just use vsjws on everyone

Or kaguays on everyone

[stiff crystal]

valk said vanguard familiars can get another familiar

lol

[timid drift]

Why would you?!

[astral willow]

Or use Jin mori who does more dmg in 30 seconds than Gilgamesh’s nuke

[cursive mortar]

!?!?!?!?!??!?! ok I'm on board now get rid of this guy

[lofty dagger]

If theres no other same lvl familiar, yea

[brazen lily]

"Its not fair to the ppl who didnt get it" (yall still had til upd 4-4.5 tho)
Couldve been a reward for the players who stuck with av during its lowest point

[timid drift]

He’s usable

Not top meta

[red niche]

Gigglemeth is the ONE unit in AV to have follow ups, follow ups that cycle would be cool

[astral willow]

Or use guts that does more dmg in 30 seconds than gilga nukes

[timid drift]

Ur comparing gilg to top meta characters

lol

[red niche]

Hes barely meta

Hes barely usable

[paper lodge]

gilgamesh is unusable

[red niche]

Be so fr

[timid drift]

Still usable

[astral willow]

Bc he’s mid

[tight wind]

He is Gilgamesh just reading that name generates hype, they just made him dirty

[astral willow]

He doesn’t excell at anything

[red niche]

Barely

[stiff crystal]

also I'm not lying

[young bone]

Exactly look at this

[timid drift]

what did u expect bro he’s a limited unit

[astral willow]

Every unit in the game excels at something

[timid drift]

they aren’t gonna make him op

[cursive mortar]

What the actual...

[toxic igloo]

125% dmg

[signal hatch]

Should've used this part of his attacks half aoe

[red niche]

Hes a secret unit with a new coat of pait

[astral willow]

Now they can be outdated but they excel at something

[stiff crystal]

slows by 30%

[mental wing]

that doesn't mean he should be shit like what??

[bold canopy]

2 second stun

[arctic blaze]

Looks single target enough

[timid drift]

No it does

[red niche]

Reduce that by 30% byw remember the base units passives

[young bone]

Yall wanna know something else

[pale ginkgo]

blame the old devs and the players and call it a day

[astral willow]

Instead you give a familiar, something that is supposed to buff a unit into the meta, to a limited unit, and make it not only mid, but not even synergies with the unit

[faint swift]

lets waste time and make familiars for units who already got familars!!!

[timid drift]

Bringing a old limited character back to top meta is terrible

[young bone]

His np glasses a desert

[astral willow]

Who thought the was a good odea

[tawny burrow]

not top meta but at least make him good

[stiff crystal]

yea lowkey

[timid drift]

Gilgamesh passive is literally meant to be used alone HOW are u gonna synergize with that

[cursive mortar]

if they were scared of giving him a good VF for rerunning him, give him a new rerun version with the stats and passives he has on his current VF, and then give his secret an actually good VF

[timid drift]

He’s good

[toxic igloo]

single grain of sand?

[astral willow]

Single target to me gang

[stiff crystal]

only 1 thing syncs with gilg's passives

lol

well 2

[astral willow]

THEN REWORK HIS PASSIVE USING THE FAMILIAR

[timid drift]

if u got monarch on him before the update u got a new unit that does 70k Dps lmao

[paper lodge]

6 passives and cant even make gilgamesh usable

[timid drift]

they’ve never done that

[mental wing]

72k dps when he has to be isolated and 10 mil single target nuke

[tawny burrow]

70k alone

[tight wind]

congratulations gilgamesh for having the worst familiar vanguard

[astral willow]

COULD HABE DONE LITERALLY ANYTHING INSTEAD OF MAKING HIM MID AT EVERYTHING

[timid drift]

ye that’s good

[tawny burrow]

do you only use 1 unit in a stage?

no

[stiff crystal]

he still get's fucked by his horrible ass first passive WHICH DIDN'T get any help on it

[timid drift]

not too meta

[paper lodge]

vegito been doing 90k dps since 5.0 man 😭

[faint swift]

WE ALL running ishtar and saber in update 8.5 🔥

[stiff crystal]

like they could've at least made it where it goes from -30 to like -10

[mental wing]

thats dogshit, W bait tho gang

[stiff crystal]

or some shit

[astral willow]

They’ve also never done vanguard familiars

[stiff crystal]

idk

[timid drift]

cause he the goat

[sick river]

reducing spishtar to a fucking skin for the valentines event was diabolical

she was done dirty

[tawny burrow]

qhar js saying shit

valk's alt bro

[sick river]

couldve been a whole evolution or separate unit

[timid drift]

y’all just dumb

[bold canopy]

genius

[paper lodge]

qhar is saying bs

[restive pewter]

wrap it up

[timid drift]

wanting a limited character to be top meta ahain 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[tight wind]

gilgamesh is a goblin slayer victim

[astral willow]

Bro has no arguments against my points so he resorts to calling us dumb

Actual goblin

[forest quail]

don’t matter

[bright sphinx]

js say ur a newgen who doesnt have gilg its fine bro

[timid drift]

yes bro a unit that came out 8 months later is better, SHOCKING

[bold canopy]

bro says this like not even diavalo has more use than him

[remote orbit]

Lwk someone needs to do something about this

[bold canopy]

even conquest

[forest quail]

that’s like saying vangaurds should be ass cuz their limited

[tawny burrow]

and he keeps saying "top meta" like anyone even mentioned it
mf js arguing with his own delusions

[remote orbit]

REF DO SOMETHING

REFF

[stiff crystal]

put gilg in great tier

[bold canopy]

put gilg in support

[astral willow]

“Nobody has ever done that” acting like we been had vanguard familiars since day one too

[timid drift]

gilgamesh took 30 mins to get limited vanguards are 1/20,000

[astral willow]

Also eve literally has passives like those of Igris changed before

[remote orbit]

Not even great put gilga in the aight tier

[timid drift]

see the difference?!

[astral willow]

For no good reason

This time it would be a good reason

[tight wind]

its fucking gilgamesh bro

[bright sphinx]

silence fool. You dont have gilg you cannot speak amonngst the elders here

[hasty pivot]

G tier

[forest quail]

give og players a reward

[timid drift]

av players when a easy limited unit isn’t too meta: 😢😢😢😢

[hasty pivot]

new tier

[tawny burrow]

they can take even less to get though so whats your point

[modern cloud]

tbh removing gilg vf is probably the best solution at this point

[timid drift]

ur reward was ur unit got buffed be happy

[forest quail]

griffith? guts?

[bright sphinx]

gng ur a newgen shut up

[viral thicket]

Vote yes or no

[astral willow]

Real

[remote orbit]

Ever heard of a lucky person?

[forest quail]

he did not get buffed

[signal hatch]

Give the message link

[timid drift]

he got buffed

[forest quail]

tengen better this his sorry ah vf

[timid drift]

quit crying

[young bone]

How much does his nuke do with a max passive

[timid drift]

cause he’s not limited

[young bone]

15mil?

[bright sphinx]

where is this

[restive pewter]

left me on read after ts

[forest quail]

don’t matter

[signal hatch]

Fuck ass devs

[cursive mortar]

Honestly, yes, cause that way I could get the 100rrs instead without my need to collect everything ASAP nagging me

[tawny burrow]

qhar is just ragebaiting

[timid drift]

they’re doing this to teach you dumbasses lessons 😭

[signal hatch]

😢

[faint swift]

i mean him losing the familiar wouldnt even change that much ngl

[sick river]

"would you rather have a pile of stinky dogshit or nun"

ill take the nothing please!

[bright sphinx]

yo @viral thicket where do I find these texts what chat

[tall fiber]

gilgamesh is an equivalent to a secret unit and yet hes weaker than frieza

[forest quail]

lol

[dense storm]

Is that on another server?

[faint swift]

wet fart or nothing

[bold canopy]

bros point:

[forest quail]

lol

[tight wind]

The lesson is not to have expectations for a unit that many like

[timid drift]

he’s limited btw

[tawny burrow]

the humble afk chamber:

[forest quail]

they made gilg gear boy level

😭

[timid drift]

try limited

[restive pewter]

real

[tall fiber]

kaguya is a top 3 unit and shes not obtainable btw

[faint swift]

gilgamesh was limited for like 5 months

[red niche]

Worst passive designer of today(Valk) vs Worst passive designer in History(Aande)

[timid drift]

1/20,000 unit btw

[modern cloud]

comparing a unit from a couple upd ago to the current one

[restive pewter]

id say shes still top 1 ngl

[remote orbit]

Bro I’d rather them not even have limited unit vanguards then ts

[tawny burrow]

w speed

[hollow saffron]

weather report is limited

[tall fiber]

gilgamesh familiar is more recent than kaguya.

[timber sonnet]

Their both the same person

[hollow saffron]

starkk is limited

[stiff crystal]

they had the idea and fucking burnt it

😭

[cursive mortar]

So we're doing the tried and true strategy of "make limited units worthless after 2 months, and just have them be trophies"... that went so well for AA