Meta units should be locked behind hard content

[tawny sable]

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[silent crow]

holy ab plays thumbnail

[solar fjord]

😭 we all know escanor is the fraud

[silent crow]

hes not though

[night mica]

he can solo sand

just only gs he cant solo

[solar fjord]

Sandvilliage final boss

[silent crow]

he can solo sand village

[solid heron]

“Fraud”

[solar fjord]

Anyway upvote ts its not even about escanor

[silent crow]

issue was never unit obtainments (other than griffith, that was dumb), it was the fact that everything in this game can be soloed

traitless

its way too easy

[solar fjord]

I know another problem i didn't talk about is how the make us not ue our units for some reason!?!?

Like on summer event infintie

[silent crow]

what

[solar fjord]

the broly obtaiment quest and the summer event didn't even require you to use your own units

[silent crow]

yes they did what?

broly did

summer no

[solar fjord]

Broly did ->
u had to take friza and evolve him
could then afk it

[halcyon scroll]

you could say that about most any stage in the game

the Summer event mode was specifically designed as a way to showcase the new units to players, similar to trials, while giving them a way to earn the event currency to actually pull for said units if they didn't want to do portals

[night mica]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-rage-mad-angry-smash-gif-1998418158989463064

so can u just clarify

[halcyon scroll]

The problem with hard content is simple: nobody likes hard content

[night mica]

r u against this suggestion or no

[halcyon scroll]

It always gets complaints

[viscid pasture]

elemental confluence gets complaints and its not a hard game mode

[halcyon scroll]

Kinda? the solutions it offers are both tedious and don't really do much to solve the issue at hand

[halcyon scroll]

because it requires players to have an inventory and make actual teams

[night mica]

which is a dumb excuse u could say

[halcyon scroll]

Pushing for high score is genuinely fairly difficult, especially given the roster of some elements

[solid heron]

Ppl are going to complain about any game mode that requires you to pay attention

[halcyon scroll]

I mean, yes and no?

[night mica]

rerolls is only 1200 points per element

[halcyon scroll]

Considering a good chunk of the inventory check is limited units. Maybe not always the top, but for some elements

[night mica]

mount is just purely cosmetic people always complaining over something that clearly don't benefit them gameplay wise

for passion, and spark you don't even need 2k on them to get the mount

you can get 2400+ on three other elements,

[halcyon scroll]

Like holy has, uh... Saber. I guess ishtar and cha-in, but other than that, everything's limited.

[night mica]

holy got jin mori

reimu exist

one of them solo it ALONE with 2k points

[halcyon scroll]

My main point is that not wanting to make element teams is a dumb excuse, but the inventory checks sometimes relying on limited units is awful

[halcyon scroll]

youll notice neither of those two are available now

[night mica]

i generally cannot tell if av will never have a hard content when theyre always pushing insane units per update just to not use them to their full potential due to the lack of content in av

man new players really got ruin everything

[halcyon scroll]

It's just difficult to actually make hard content in a game like this, especially when players want to be able to play it casually

Traitless is the closest you can get to challenge, but nobody likes traitless

They spend time and/or money in rolling on units, if traitless content gets spammed as difficulty, it'll just make them upset

[night mica]

my only problem with this is that they keep pushing units that seem to be good when you pair it with other units for a example Gogeta is only op as fuck when you pair him with de units but the thing is, where are you going really use gogeta in?

[halcyon scroll]

Wherever you want to

[night mica]

when there are better options?

and don't rely on 4 slots?

[halcyon scroll]

Again

Whenever you want to

it might not be you specifically

nobody's forcing you to use the most meta team in every bit of content

Some people might just like pairing gogeta with ichigo, goku, and hercule

[night mica]

is it true this guy count as a fused unit?

[errant skiff]

dudes asking the important questions

[halcyon scroll]

atp i have no idea anymore

I can't tell if I've just been gaslit into a joke

[night mica]

you know goharry?

[halcyon scroll]

no

[twin ocean]

why is he lying?

[solar fjord]

And by doing that they made any preperations u made for the update meaningless

I don't have a problem with them doing that like sure but then where is the main content of the update? they used the raids to showcase the new units u say but then all of this update i didn't need a single old unit to complete it

as a new account level 1 i can just summon for friza and use kenny and friza to get broly

[twin ocean]

just not even true

[solar fjord]

It is true as long as u get kenny evolved

[halcyon scroll]

What

[solar fjord]

you could get broly in about 6 hours from start

[solar fjord]

I am saying there is no reason for you to get good units if they are not giving you an opprotunity to use it

[halcyon scroll]

???????

You get to see the units in action yourself

See how good they are

See that they’re worth pulling for

[solar fjord]

yeah we got the new unit showcase mechanic for that

[halcyon scroll]

And not have to wait for some rushed half ass showcase video that barely understands the unit

[solar fjord]

you don't need a whole raid for it

[halcyon scroll]

Are you saying the trials are bad too?

[solar fjord]

I am saying that there is NO reason to make raids that easy

[halcyon scroll]

What are you talking about

Like genuinely

[spare granite]

Dungeon

?

[solar fjord]

I'm talking about how they made the new dungeon content too easy

[halcyon scroll]

How is the summer LTM making “any preparations you made for the update meaningless”

Like I’m still hung up on how little sense that makes

[spare granite]

Ccu goes up which is a good thing

🥹

[halcyon scroll]

People like chill grinds. They didn’t want a VSJW 2.0

[void mauve]

i absolutely agree, making a vanguard obtainable without effort is horrible + no point in grinding to end game if u have a free vanguard

[solar fjord]

Yeahhhhhhh sure but it won't last for long if they won't release any hard content would it?

[twin ocean]

if you want frieza and evolve frieza you actually need to play the game, you also need to evolve vegito, and if you wanna do that youll need to beat like 5 story stages and legend stages

[solar fjord]

i genuinely see no reason to obtain the new units

like my kaguya can do it all anyway

[spare granite]

Power of casual players

[solar fjord]

They power crept units sure

but not power creeping stage level?!?!

wtf

[warm olive]

https://tenor.com/view/frederica-bernkastel-umineko-umineko-when-they-cry-fumo-bernkastel-gif-594188211286339079

[halcyon scroll]

For collection purposes? To have the units in your inventory so you can say you finished the update?

[warm olive]

i feel like some difficult content would be good now considering the rr + powerscaling creep with units

[thick shoal]

Who is making these

[spare granite]

Just go do Worldlines Lb or Inf Lb man

[warm olive]

gg did so bad since sjw and yhwach were our best units atp

that stage is free now

[solar fjord]

😭 what? i think most players are not collectors

[solar fjord]

Both are really not that rewarding for the time u put in

[void mauve]

thats not how it works gng

[halcyon scroll]

Stages were getting harder, it just took a while for them to keep up with unit power level, but by the time it did, players complained that unit power creep was too slow, so now units are way too far ahead again

[twin ocean]

if they werent no one would have a reason to be playing the game

[halcyon scroll]

I don’t mean collectors in that way

[void mauve]

so theres no purpose of getting broly?

[solar fjord]

It does tho if my kaguya can do it all what reason do i have to obtain the new units?

[halcyon scroll]

But just playing the game to get the new units. To have them and to complete content

[twin ocean]

the most popular videos about anime vanguards is about obtaining and making the newest units as strong as possible (monarch usually), and people wanna follow that route

[halcyon scroll]

If you just get kaguya and then stop playing altogether and don’t bother getting new units, what’s even the point of playing with that mindset?

[solar fjord]

There is no reasont to get him correct,
what im saying is that you could just use units from earlier updates and that would be enough to solo all casual content in the game

[thick shoal]

Intense heat

[twin ocean]

"there is no reason to get him"

ok..

[solar fjord]

so it makes sense to make units do big numbers but it doesn't make sense to scale the stages with it now?

[twin ocean]

i suppose theres no reason to get any units at all

like what are we talking about here?

[halcyon scroll]

Stages just scale slower

Content and units are also all balanced around blitz level

[void mauve]

isn't that content?

[halcyon scroll]

With one stage exception that was a mistake

[solar fjord]

So on update 10 we'll have units doing 3m dps and bosses will have 10m hp and the gap will just close with time?

[void mauve]

'oh i already have powerful units i dont need anything else'

[solar fjord]

Okay so u got broly now what

where are u going to use him

[halcyon scroll]

You’re making some wild assumptions of a statement just to blow things out of proportion

[void mauve]

tournament inf rift

now tell me 'oh tournaments suck'

[halcyon scroll]

Why would you have even bothered getting Kaguya? There were plenty of other meta units you could’ve had, there was no reason to get her

[solar fjord]

Mosts players are not trying to play competetive thats why things like ex stage were good for the game

[void mauve]

'who plays them'

[twin ocean]

anywhere i want since hes better then the units i had before

[void mauve]

dont pla ythe game atp

[solar fjord]

Because at the time we needed kaguya to complete some of the harder content

[void mauve]

the whole point of a td game is completing the content for each update

[halcyon scroll]

Units generally scale faster than stages, especially with traits involved

[halcyon scroll]

Also that’s just not true at all lmfao

[twin ocean]

ex stages were not good for the game

[warm olive]

when animes that are enjoyable start to get added i feel like that'll increase lmao

[solar fjord]

guily gear last ex stage

[warm olive]

not a lot of people want to grind for db units 🥀

[halcyon scroll]

You didn’t need kaguya

[warm olive]

netherrr

[solar fjord]

So lets make 6 hours worth of content for the update after 3 and a half weeks

[void mauve]

kaguya sucks in sjw raid

[halcyon scroll]

Also GG’s EX was the only stage in the game balanced around multiplayer and having monarchs, which was very clearly a mistake of a test

[halcyon scroll]

Yo

[warm olive]

i have been LOCKED in stage suggestions

[halcyon scroll]

LOL

[void mauve]

thats tuff

[warm olive]

ts making me lose it tho

[void mauve]

i'd rather wait for weeks and get quality instead of a thousand bug with shi quality

[twin ocean]

all peak right there

[halcyon scroll]

Did you happen to catch h the odyssey rework draft I was talking about in suggestions earlier

[warm olive]

i saw you talking about it but i didnt see the finished rework no

didnt they say they're not touching odyssey

[twin ocean]

yes, lets go back to the 30 hour dungeon grind

(which isnt adding new content its just making the grind more tedious)

[solar fjord]

Oh so we are not reading the main message of the suggesion now

[void mauve]

ts is so funny

[twin ocean]

butt suggestions today once again 😔

[halcyon scroll]

I can DM you the link if you want

[warm olive]

sure

(ip grabber)

[analog pendant]

this is what most ppl complain abt when they mean hard content
mainly cause they don’t have all the meta monarchs n stuff
its because their team comps r trash
not rly because the content is extremely difficult with mechanics/scaling

[twin ocean]

i hate to break it to you but its been said several times av is not going back to "hard content"

[halcyon scroll]

I know they don't really have plans to touch it because there's more important stuff rn

[viscid pasture]

The mistake was locking content behind it (byeken), had the bottle been a drop for ls 3 i think there wouldnt have been that much backlash for it

[analog pendant]

sadly we can’t have nice things

[analog pendant]

true

👍

[halcyon scroll]

Byeken wouldn't have been nearly as bad if the balance approach was a bit more lenient. And not reliant on pvp wins.

[analog pendant]

just lower it

[halcyon scroll]

If it was just playing PvP and wins accelerated the process, that would've been like 5 times more fine

[analog pendant]

ye

but making ppl do 10 wins so egregious

such a waste of time

[halcyon scroll]

Yeah

[analog pendant]

that has to be done MANUALLY

so sad

[verbal fulcrum]

These suggestions are always so funny to me

"Yeah just fix every unit and balance them so we can have good power scaling"

[halcyon scroll]

Byeken as a whole is just a culmination of really poor decisions to get a unit

[twin ocean]

extremely hard to balance a game that features a literal cheat to progressive modes (monarch)

[verbal fulcrum]

Legit but

[thick shoal]

No one should be forced to play pvp

[verbal fulcrum]

Its the hard content these people want

But clearly not hard enough if they dont have her in their inv evod

🤷‍♂️

[thick shoal]

Whoever made that gotta be either sleepy, couldn't think straight, or thought it was a good idea not knowing the consequences first

[verbal fulcrum]

Just go train in btd

😭

[noble mason]

we need more

make dio oh need 20’pvp wins

[twin ocean]

or all 3

[solar fjord]

i said that from now on they should lock new meta units behind hard content and scale the update stages with the new units but i guess we making up words now
anyway ima leave yall with that because it doesn't seem like anyone is trying to actually read what i wrote

[verbal fulcrum]

Have a training arc for roblox tower defense pvp

[thick shoal]

And second of all LITERALLY FORGOT THE PVP TOURNAMENT SHIT DUDE😭

[verbal fulcrum]

Idk why pvp was ever added

[thick shoal]

WE NEED THAT ROBUX

[verbal fulcrum]

It feels so wrong

[thick shoal]

100K? GIVE ME THAT

[verbal fulcrum]

Wanna know something funny

[rose orchid]

that shit was a lie

[thick shoal]

But no they just Ghosted the community

[verbal fulcrum]

If getting the new unit is obscure

People dont wanna do it

If people dont wanna do it

Ccu goes down

What is goal of game?

High ccu

[thick shoal]

Until like what 2-3 podcast later someone finally asked about it

[verbal fulcrum]

🤔

[analog pendant]

can’t wait until he has a long ahh grind and is a needed support for all modes

gna be fun

[rose orchid]

always check sandbox

[analog pendant]

and then his shirt is gna be worth millions

[halcyon scroll]

I don't mind being forced to interact with the new mode of the update

[rose orchid]

✌️

[thick shoal]

And they delayed it because they saw it was ass too and needs some fixes

[analog pendant]

so ima need to grind the shiny

[halcyon scroll]

But when it's forced to play in a specific way

and get wins

that's when forcing the mode sucks

[analog pendant]

and it takes LONG

[verbal fulcrum]

Dio oh is such a pathetic unit in tds its so funny

[rose orchid]

issue is that the new gamemode is something nobody want in a td

[analog pendant]

nuh uh

[thick shoal]

It wouldn't be as bad if it was just "Play" rather than "Win"

😭

[verbal fulcrum]

Always a number 1 timeless support

[thick shoal]

But no man

[analog pendant]

what does pathetic even mean in this context

[analog pendant]

ong

or just win 1

[rose orchid]

like deadass, anything other than pvp would have been better

[analog pendant]

then another quest to play 10

[verbal fulcrum]

Never seen a dps dio oh be successful

Bro my wifi is on 0 bars holy hell

[analog pendant]

would have been fire

[analog pendant]

cause if all a unit has is dps its boring and gets powercrept

if it fills a niche it stays

[odd dock]

this is kinda not new player friendly idk it makes sense cuz ur already established but there needs to be good units that r meta and easy to get idk

[verbal fulcrum]

Pvp in a td game will forever pmo

Atp give me a sword and let me 1v1 other people to steal their yen midd game

Ts would be tuff

[odd dock]

i agree with hard content tho

[halcyon scroll]

That's literally what I said lmao

[rose orchid]

yea

who tf ask for pvp in a td

more in one like it game

is impossible to work

[halcyon scroll]

Thing is a lot of people do want PvP in a td for some reason

I remember seeing it all the time in royale

[rose orchid]

i never saw any of these people

only one

[twin ocean]

this argument only works for griffith, and we had very bad examples of when they did actually do this (for baiken you need an inventory full of the latest characters for 10 wins, and then for eren you needed monarchs). so they scaled down a LOT to help out newer players, because helping casual players heavily increases ccu.

but vsjw and broly handled this pretty well. for vsjw you can beat the dungeon with the three solo leveling units fully evolved, for broly you need to evolve super saiyan 3 goku and frieza and then gogeta. then, on top of all those evolutions, you need to sacrifice 20+ mythic units. all of these are very time consuming

[solar fjord]

When i first returned to the game i had to go through getting a few banner units first and then slowly scaling up my team to be able to obtain vsjw and cid and it was fun

[analog pendant]

i liked it cause of bloons but like how do you do that here also yk

[solar fjord]

idk what's the problem with not getting the top meta units

[analog pendant]

cause not everyone has the same units

[verbal fulcrum]

Yeah but then people are actually gonna be able to complain for alucard vf due to him being 3rd best supp on a tl

[solar fjord]

the first minute u play

[rose orchid]

in btd it work because of how the game work

it game is a whole different shit

[analog pendant]

no since they fill diff niches

one is bleed wounded

the other prob time stop

[verbal fulcrum]

You think they care? LOL

Its like i tried to explain this before

But its only how high they rank

[twin rock]

We're AV players, we can't strategize and actually think ✌️

[odd dock]

yes cuz those units were good. also you say its fun cuz you were in early game. we are in end game rn all there is to do is collect units

[twin ocean]

the game never required strategy or actually thinking

[solar fjord]

Sure so now that we all agree that they helped newer players and we are all at the stage we got broly now (which is top 5 units)
and we all got griffith now (another top 5 unit)
and we got sukuna gojo and tengen
we should start scaling content with the latest units

[rigid tusk]

I like hard content, what i don't like is something that is boring, like VSJW quest, killing 50 berus isn't hard that is boring

😭

[rose orchid]

new players already have it easy
a little of challenge won't kill them

[twin ocean]

the only way your suggestion will happen is if they started scaling content to monarchs, which they wont, because thats stupid

[solar fjord]

Ok so we agree

[rose orchid]

scaling content around monarch vanguards ✌️

[verbal fulcrum]

Yup

[solar fjord]

Yes but we have infinite content which is as rewarding as eating mud and we don't have any hard stages

[formal kettle]

Depends on the arc bc he fused with Kami

[rose orchid]

because these devs can't balance shit well

[twin ocean]

"as rewarding as eating mud" gang.. WE ARE GETTING 200 REROLLS FOR FREE NOW

[verbal fulcrum]

Uh

[twin ocean]

you can get 100k gems or 200 rerolls just for playing the game bro

[solar fjord]

From infinite mode?

[verbal fulcrum]

Elemental conflugence

[twin ocean]

no, events

[verbal fulcrum]

However u spell it

Go get rhe mount in that

Hard nuff

[solar fjord]

yeah but i could clear all of those events without broly

[rose orchid]

the 3 ex stages are proof of how they can't do hard content well

[solar fjord]

i don't need him

no reason to get him

[twin ocean]

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY ARENT GONNA SCALE THE GAME TO VANGUARDS

[rose orchid]

the gg ex stage

[twin ocean]

cant believe i have to even say that

[solar fjord]

So don't release venguards

[verbal fulcrum]

??

[solar fjord]

they made units that are extremely overpowered

[verbal fulcrum]

Ai is getting too frequent in todays society...

[solar fjord]

then didn't make the game scale around them

[verbal fulcrum]

I got a tip for you

Dont use any vanguards

Or any new units

Only units from like update 6

[rose orchid]

use monarch todo

[verbal fulcrum]

No monarchs included

Thatll be fun no?

[solar fjord]

Oh so now i shouldn't play new content 😭 ?

[rose orchid]

67k damage is meta

[verbal fulcrum]

Wdym cuz

They keeping the balancing good no?

By good i mean it not being up to date with vanguards

If thats such an issue use old units

[solar fjord]

What is so hard with getting mythicals from banner -> evolving -> using evolved units to obtain secret/venguard meta units -> going to complete new content -> getting units from that content and then using it to clear the next content ->etc

"No lets make all units be able to clear the game"

makes sense!

[verbal fulcrum]

Its like im talking to a wall

[twin ocean]

do you know how stupid it would be if i complained about the game not being hard enough when this is what my inventory looks like

[verbal fulcrum]

😮‍💨

I give a very viable and easy solution

Which is also optional

But lets ignore that and blame the game for giving me the strongest units which can do their job

[rose orchid]

not a single shiny

[thick shoal]

Kazuma kazuma!

[verbal fulcrum]

Ay cuz

You aint got broly monarch

[twin ocean]

im gonna have shiny monarch broly, im at 900 pity

[verbal fulcrum]

Gl with them new stages

✌️

[rose orchid]

wha

[umbral plover]

I'm not doing 10 stages of anything like gg ex stage everagain

[thick shoal]

Still mad I accidentally sold my shiny armin

Mobile vanguards is not for the weak

[rose orchid]

😭

[verbal fulcrum]

It was just a tedious stage

[rose orchid]

next vanguard will be 50 ex stages

[verbal fulcrum]

All there was to it

Tbh i wanna see another gg ex stage again

[rose orchid]

hell no

[verbal fulcrum]

Only clearable if you have 6 people with the top 4 meta monarchs and meta supports

[rose orchid]

being forced to only use monarch vsjw was annoying

[verbal fulcrum]

Ts is tuff

[verbal fulcrum]

🫠

Deadeye stocks permanently go down

[umbral plover]

Game 10m cc if familliar pity

[rose orchid]

i remember mfs complaining over the fact that i didn't monarch my supports

[verbal fulcrum]

My traits are so buns rn av aint treating me right 🤒

[verbal fulcrum]

Im telligg you

The game getting more players is nice

But it only brings more dumb people

[verbal fulcrum]

Theyre used to having to get double unique on everything

[twin ocean]

i got 1450/1500 on escanor before pulling monarch 💔

[verbal fulcrum]

Day in a life

My gogeta surpassed pity

I was on yhe verge of hitting 2.5k pity but then they lowered it

So i got it immediatelt in that upd

Then kaguya was pity

But i get emilia monarch in 5

[warm olive]

the squad

[verbal fulcrum]

💤

[warm olive]

yoru will be there once she releases 🥀

[verbal fulcrum]

Yoru?

[warm olive]

https://tenor.com/view/yoru-chainsaw-man-gif-11166319643124256707

[rose orchid]

ewwww monarch jin mori

[verbal fulcrum]

Oh chainsawman

[warm olive]

i rolled on him when he was still good (i regret it everyday 🥀 )

[verbal fulcrum]

Is jin mori buns now

Did i miss something

[rose orchid]

idk

i just hate him

[verbal fulcrum]

Heard

Hes kinda boring

All dmg output

Even tho jin mori is such a cool unit

I mean in als they have him inflicting every effect at once

[elder gazelle]

its dumb to make the new player method the best method

portals shouldve been buffed and the new player method was a little slower than it is now or as fast

[halcyon scroll]

Who said it was the new player method?

It was literally just an alternate method

[noble mason]

when trading comes out can someone pls give me a fairy

[elder gazelle]

basically is

its the easier of the two

ur bullshitting if ur saying it wasnt intended for new players

[halcyon scroll]

I mean, it wasn't

Seasonal events as a whole are intended for new players

They're the perfect times to get into the game

the event was just testing out an idea for trial showcasing units for players, and the summer LTM was a good way of doing it while giving players the resources they need for the event

[elder gazelle]

still doesnt disprove my point

the easier method should not be the better method

[halcyon scroll]

Eh, it's better depending on how you look at it

[elder gazelle]

yes the easier method that makes the harder method pointless

but hey thats the av mindset

high powercreep low difficulty

high reward low difficulty

they cant scale updates at all

[halcyon scroll]

Portals were pointless?

[twin ocean]

which is absolute cinema

6 hours for broly is the greatest thing ever

[brave oasis]

Lets go

Does this mean diavolo and broly are the strongest units?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193773743793786890/1353585748288213124/attachment.gif

My mahito gona powercreep all current meta

[elder gazelle]

yes theres almost 0 point

in them

portal unit was available easily from quests when the upd first dropped

[halcyon scroll]

Well, yeah. You still had to do portals, you had to do the LTM. Portals were way better for farming gift boxes

So unless you were manually farming LTM with peak efficiency, portals probably had the edge

Yes, you could trade sunshine for boxes, but you got more boxes just doing portals, especially with MVP

[elder gazelle]

no point farming giftboxes

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sure, if you say so

[elder gazelle]

name 1 reason

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Strange Cat is literally the easiest reason

[elder gazelle]

strange cat that can be gotten from summer events

amazing point

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????

It’s literally only in the summer gift boxes

Which are MUCH easier to farm from portals

[elder gazelle]

which you can get easily from the ltm

😭

still 0 point losing out on summer currency when you can just get the same reward from the ltm

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Not nearly as easily

[elder gazelle]

100% nearly as easily

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If you were farming gift boxes for the familiar

There’s literally no reason to grind the LTM over portals

Because the only way you get it from the LTM is a 10% drop you trade in at the shop

As opposed to a what, 35? 45% drop? That’s affected by MVP?

[elder gazelle]

summer ham is ass anyways + the avg is like 10 for 8 hours of afking in ltm

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Oh right

[elder gazelle]

so on avg u get a summer ham every 8 hours

😭

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Strange cat was spring, I got them mixed up, my b

[elder gazelle]

so theres still 0 point in grinding portals

cuz the familiar is shit

[halcyon scroll]

Nevermind yeah, hams ass

But even still

If you’re manually playing and could get MVP, gift boxes generally still gave you enough currency to make up for all the time you’d miss in LTM unless you were actively watching it and resetting right as soon as you could every single time

[elder gazelle]

nope

not true

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Because chances are, you’re alt tabbing or just not paying attention to LTM if you’re manually doing it because of how boring it would’ve been

Automating it, on the other hand, yeah it was more efficient for raw currency

[elder gazelle]

manually doing it

was still less efficient

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But portals were still a lot more chill and straightforward with a lot less worry about being inefficient with time

Both modes had their upsides

[elder gazelle]

portals has 0

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Whatever floats your boat bro

[elder gazelle]

worse currency grind manually and automatic and a shit familiar 😭

[halcyon scroll]

Maybe for YOU specifically, LTM was more efficient and better to manually farm

For a lot of players, portals were a lot more chill and straightforward to just casually grind

[elder gazelle]

a lot

LOL

ok

[elder gazelle]

a lot of av players are also bots

😭

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I know I sure as shit didn’t grind LTM beyond the Leo quest

[elder gazelle]

ur own dumb fault then

[halcyon scroll]

Because I just didn’t enjoy the loop of LTM and preferred the simple approach of portals where I could place my units, occasionally tab in to upgrade, and then just select another portal when I tabbed in after the stage was over?

Sorry for having preferences in how I game, I’ll be sure to ask you what the most optimal way to play is next time