Vanguard Familiars should be canceled! (or reworked)

[rain osprey]

i think we should get only 2 per update

[wispy yew]

why u think i said they should cancel the vf for him

[rain osprey]

as filler content for middle/end of the update so that people can have a reason to play the game

[wispy yew]

i just don't think he deserve one

[jaunty ember]

Not even, the original plan stated by devs was 1 per x.0 update

[wispy yew]

never was confirmed

[deep viper]

Ngl the only vf that makes sense is for alucard and sukuna

[wispy yew]

idk where u heard this from

[rain osprey]

too little

[glad tinsel]

Why are we acting like a familiar didn’t save tengan whose 2/3 passive were to buff his damage

[deep viper]

Or old Vanguards units

[rain osprey]

we got plenty of cool units that need some purpose

[jaunty ember]

Said on stage if I recall, on stage notes but I might be wrong

[rain osprey]

but we cant just double evo them

for example, chae

no one wants another solo leveling update

but shes a cool unit you know

[jaunty ember]

Units will always eventually fall off, its how games like this work

We get new units in return, bringing old ones back here and there is cool but not needed

[rain osprey]

why shouldn't we revive them later on tho?

[jaunty ember]

Im not saying we shouldn't, 2nd evos are great and do that

Vfs are lazy and do it poorly

[rain osprey]

its not really laziness

is just that thet cant do it

[jaunty ember]

For some units I'd agree

[rain osprey]

i mean they can but it would pretty much "kill the game"

[jaunty ember]

There isnt always content to use to make a 2nd evo

Amd in those cases fine a vf would worm

But those cases are rare

[deep viper]

Vf Are killing the Game making every sec Unit broken

[jaunty ember]

Im not entirly agenst vfs simply the way they are being done now

Every unit who has or has planned a vf has 2nd evo potenti

Except for tengen

[wispy yew]

chill out bru

[jaunty ember]

And even then why are we giving a dmca risk a vf T-T

Anyways my free work shit is over

I must return to my crew and wrap up this shift

[wispy yew]

who? tengen?

he isnt dmca?

it's just his skin because it use jjk assets

[jaunty ember]

Hes a dmca risk

Demon slayer characters got hit with dmca

Just because tengen didnt dosnt mean he cant

[wispy yew]

what?

who is telling you this

[jaunty ember]

A bird in my ear

[wispy yew]

Okay, you don't gotta lie to get more attention for your suggestion.

[jaunty ember]

Wasnt nezuko hit with dmca?

[glad tinsel]

What

[wispy yew]

No

Again, it was her skin.

[jaunty ember]

Thats still the character is it not...

[wispy yew]

again, I told u they were using jjk assets, which is why it's removed.

pretty sure testers said ds is safe

@blissful wasp can u confirm for any of us?

[jaunty ember]

Im not well informed on the DS stuff cause I dont watch the show muhc but I swore I heard av or other games getting hit because of them

Which is why im saying he's a risk, if im wrong im wrong it dosnt really mean much to my suggestion

[glad tinsel]

^

Idk how you relate him being wrong about this to dismissing his suggestion

as a whole

[wispy yew]

It's not a good look if you need to lie to gather the developers' attention

Manipulating the community to get your suggestion approved?

[jaunty ember]

Im not lying about ds related content being hit eith dmca lol

It also has literally nothing to do with my suggestion

[glad tinsel]

Yeah mushy you’re him brodigy

You got one heck of a way of thinking

[sinful horizon]

Gogeta needs vf

[hasty arrow]

w

[hidden gust]

The main thing thing i hate is the way to obtain the familiar

5 or 10 days for just a familiar is crazy

[neat latch]

the problem w/ this tho is that it just doesn't respect the players time and is kind of redundant

why would you waste development time on a VFamiliar when that unit has clear potential for another evolution

obviously the evolution would be better than the pre-evo even with the VFamiliar

imagine grinding for let's say a obito VFamiliar only for an evolution for obito to come out months later which invalidates the VFamiliar since you can't use the familiar on the evolution

[jaunty ember]

Thank you, I've been trying to find a way to word this point

[neat latch]

personally i wouldn't be very happy

you

[wheat birch]

no akaza sucks ass

he needs a rework

[idle gull]

Your so Smart

Its so crazy to me that someone in this planet has a mind like yours

I dont know how someone achieves this type of iq

Also This suggestion sucks

The point of vf is
free Easy content the devs can make in like a day
Makes OLD units usable again
Gives us the option to get 100 rrls or the vf

[silver lantern]

What are we even saying

[idle gull]

omg dark mooik

big fan

[silver lantern]

Thanks

[stiff sedge]

i dont think vf are a bad concept or boring

nice to have them

[stray acorn]

don’t fight @silver lantern she’s my wife

[unreal ivy]

I can assure you not nearly as many people have a monarch tengen as you seem to think they do. But again, this is just the nature of how fast a new player can progress vs an old player, I really don't see the issue with new players needing to farm for something an older player already has because that's just how games work, newer players are always going to have to retread the steps older players took because again, that's how games work.

But even ignoring ALL that, why does it matter? Why is new players needing to farm for something older players unlocked forever ago a problem? Again if they weren't farming for VF's they'd just be farming for the new meta units that older players probably already rolled through banner an hour after the update dropped, it's practically the same situation

[jaunty ember]

wth is the keyholder role 🥀

this man has a key to some av pocket nuke

[jaunty ember]

I never said alot of people have monarch tengen, this was simply an observation from when gojo/sukuna got there VF's, a ton of people already had monarch on him or just really close to pitty for said units.

and yes for the 2nd time new players will always need to catch up and grind things old players already did, if I recall I did say this was only a minor issue/point I have with vfs to begin with (I think I said this to mushy I was at work so I dont remember)

what sucks is 2nd evos also run into that issue in a way, the difference though is just how often they come to the game.

[viral chasm]

yes no want asked for vanguard familiar btw

[narrow kite]

vanguard familiars are like busy work every upd

they are there to boost ccu

It made sense for sukuna and gojo but after that it's kinda not needed but it's an easy way to incorporate grinding

[unreal ivy]

I get its a minor point but with all due respect, it genuinely just doesn't make sense, which isn't exactly great when making an argument for VF's to be cancelled entirely or heavily reworked.

Imo it's way better to simply just make a few adjustments to how VF's are handled, for example I saw you make a point against VF's for limited units and how it's unfair because A) Newer people wouldn't have said unit and B) they can't do the missions to at least get some rr's out of it, but surely the fix here is simply an adjustment to how the missions work. Overall point being here that workarounds and tweaks are much better than arguments for removing them entirely, especially when VF's do much more good than bad

[jaunty ember]

With it being a minor point its going to be something easy for people to agree or disagre with and not worth me doubling down on because it really dosnt have much impact on the thread, its mainly just there to add a bit more impact, at the end of the day all units will fall off in due time this includes 2nd evos and Vf's

And I can agree to that because doing something is better then doing nothing, While id love to be the one trying to push the ideas for workarounds I find it much more important to draw the attention to the problem rather then trying to solve it first, and even then i do trust the devs in fixing the issues on there own. but they wont do that if they dont see the problem to begin with.

[idle gull]

Yes i Have the Key to Nuke everyones Monarchs

[wanton girder]

dont make him angry

[sour flax]

lwkey the blunt rotation for keeping all units relevant isn’t terrible of an idea but the process that u get the vf has to be different

idm the idea of old units getting a powerup but the way u get them should be unique to that respective unit

maybe they’ll further implement that later when there’s more vanguard familiars/js figure out the scenario as a whole

i think that vfs right now are pretty trash but has a pretty good potential w the games future

[ornate trout]

Vanguard familiars shouldnt be top meta, and only should apply to the hardest obtainments of the update. Not for limited units either. And especially not if they have a potential evolution.

I think that would be simple enough

just good enough to obtain new units if you havent played in a while. So like Sukuna should be able to beat up till 7.5, but not be better than update 8 units

[sour flax]

yes

they shouldn’t be sufficient enough as to the point a player only needs that unit with a vf to reach endgame

they js need to keep relevance

[wispy yew]

What?

What’s the point of grinding for the Vf if it won’t make the unit meta?

How are you guys going tell the developers to cancel vanguard familiars in general and proceed not to give out any other better solutions ?

[unreal ivy]

Disagree, I really don't see why making VF's for limited units is a bad thing

[sour flax]

it’s not our burden to provide a better solution, that’s what devs are for

[unreal ivy]

what

[wispy yew]

wtf are you saying

Okay

[sour flax]

why should they be meta? they don’t need to become the best of the best, they just need to be good units in all honesty; helping out old players who js returned

[unreal ivy]

The point of suggestions is for providing solutions to a problem 😭

[wispy yew]

Go cancel the vf after after promising two of them then giving the community a simple “fuck you”

[sour flax]

mb all then

[wispy yew]

Will that go well after you just wasted people rerolls?

[modest meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/man-chainsaw-chainsawman-csm-what-gif-523642207999463732

[sour flax]

i guess the solution is js changing the way of obtainment

[unreal ivy]

ehhh

[wispy yew]

Nope

[unreal ivy]

i mean maybe?

[wispy yew]

That’s not even the solution

[sour flax]

and not pumping them out like some sort of factory; with a more creative background behind iy

[wispy yew]

And they’ll probably make it worse

[sour flax]

well most ppl are claiming how they don’t like doing 30 minute odysseys every day becuz it’s so so boring

[unreal ivy]

personally idrc about the obtainment method, it could be a whole questline or the current method, in the end i dont think it makes an insane difference

[wispy yew]

Since they’re both limited you might as well make it only give out the fam alone no rerolls to balance it for players who didn’t get any of them

[sour flax]

i disagree with this, i think the devs could probably create a nice way to implement a questline per unit to get their vanguard familiars

[sour flax]

sorry what’s limited?

[modest meteor]

the familiars are meant to be easy to get & implement btw

thats why they're kinda just counterattacks + elemental buffs

doing an entire questline to get them like an ALS godly would defeat that simplicity the devs are trying to go for

[wispy yew]

Gilgamesh and gogeta

Gogeta will probably get one assuming they cancel one for Obito

Bexause his base passive is awful to begin with

[sour flax]

this is actually so sad 😭😭i got obito monarch the other day

[wispy yew]

Why would you spin on him?

[ornate trout]

Sukuna was literally the best unit ingame. (I think he still is, idk havent checkd the tierlist.) How does that make sense?

[wispy yew]

Do we not look at the passives before spinning?

[sour flax]

but also i mean that’s why im saying they should just have some sort of side quest line for the unit that pertains to background/content around the anime it’s from. like gilga could be 1000000 gold sacrificed for the familiar idk

[wispy yew]

I know but ur solution is just pissing the community off

[sour flax]

don’t vf add passives?

[ornate trout]

Oh im sure, but half this community is braindead tbf.

[sour flax]

i spun on him cuz he’s lwkey a tuff character and won the poll

[wispy yew]

You really think a vf can save his shitty base passives?

[ornate trout]

dont worry, he'll get an evo in like 17 years

[sour flax]

saved tengen 🤷‍♂️

[wispy yew]

Yeah because it’s actually useful

just lacking in dps

[unreal ivy]

I dont really get why people want vanguard familiars to seemingly be these big extravagant events, their purpose is to be filler content and imo they do it well. Are the missions the most interesting? no, but they're not bad either, they're just plain. I really dont think giving them entire questlines is THAT necessary

[wispy yew]

They should just stop giving them for a while after Gilgamesh, and gogeta got theirs

Cancelling the concept of Vf in general is not the way tbf

[unreal ivy]

yeah i can agree with that

[sour flax]

the game feels too simple and easy tbh, and it really seems like they’re just pumping it out for no reason no occasion.

like what’s the point of grinding new units if i can js wait for the vanguard familiar of an og unit i have cuz it’ll make him meta of some sorts

[unreal ivy]

imo i think at most they should do 1 VF per .5/.0 update

[wispy yew]

It’s meant to be easy

[sour flax]

yeah but it’s too easy.

[wispy yew]

The last time they tried to do hard content nearly killed the game

New players running everything as the usual

[sour flax]

ok pvp lwkey just sucked as a whole

[ornate trout]

Its way too easy. Like the broly questline took me less than 4 hours.

[sour flax]

and the game they chose to update from was pretty trash

[unreal ivy]

Because new units can still have really useful passives, or be the new best unit for a specific element category

[ornate trout]

Like dont make everything monarch based, but dont make it possible using one easy to obtain unit

[unreal ivy]

for example, smith is a really good support, are you just gonna not get him because of sukuna's VF?

[sour flax]

i’m probably not gonna get a unit like skull knight because of sukuna

smith is js an overall niche character

[ornate trout]

Well, smith is alot harder to use than sukuna

[unreal ivy]

Skull knight is one of the best new units to pair with him 💔

[sour flax]

mb all

[unreal ivy]

I mean, technically? but he's only harder in the sense that with smith you go through his forgeries whereas sukuna you just place down

he's not actually hard to use

[sour flax]

yeha u lwkey js place him

[ornate trout]

exactly. This is roblox. The average player aint gonna do READING

[unreal ivy]

Hang on sorry im lost here, what overarching point is this going for?

[ornate trout]

We're saying taht vanguard familiars shouldnt be meta defining units

Because then most people wont grind for the new units

[sour flax]

doesn’t this make sukuna “harder” of a unit?

[ornate trout]

and will just wait to farm oddysey for their old vanguard familiar units

[unreal ivy]

oh

[ornate trout]

yk what i mean, dont try to be annoying abt it

[sour flax]

wait i’m lwkey just confused on how u were connecting it mb

[ornate trout]

i was saying that most roblox players are too braindead to attempt to use a support unit

and will see big dmg no. and be happy

[unreal ivy]

I mean, again yes and no

Like i see the point of on a surface view your average AVian refusing to go for new stuff because they arent bothered enough to actually see the potential in new units passives. However, thats from their pov specifically, whereas the reality still has a ton of room for new units despite VF's being part of the meta

[ornate trout]

And if we make vfs meta defining

[ornate trout]

Yeah, its not meaningless to grind for a new unit

[sour flax]

i mean lwkey the balancing for vfs hasn’t even been terrible, only truly meta one is sukuna

[ornate trout]

Sukuna is the best unit in the game

[unreal ivy]

People who completely overlook newer units and focus only on VF's are objectively going to fall behind in any competitive mode, its more of a grey area point ig because its technically right on either side

[ornate trout]

i mean, majority of av players arent gonna play competitively

And itll affect player retention too

once more and more ppl find out the oddysey spam

[unreal ivy]

Ig? but if we're ignoring the competitive scene i feel like what is and isnt allowed to be meta starts to lose its stance too.

[ornate trout]

fair.

tbh, my biggest dislike is that its lazy ashit

its literally just recycled content

[unreal ivy]

fair, but imo i dont think its going to be as bad as what the current view is once updates are back on track

[modest meteor]

its gonna stay like that for a while

[ornate trout]

im telling you one of these days theres gonna be a bug where the next vanguard familiarquest is gonna use the old unit

by accident

cus they copypasted it

[sour flax]

ok but like i think they’ve done a relatively fair job with the other familiars, and so u can’t use one broken vf to judge the concept as a whole

[unreal ivy]

They're a bit oversaturated currently but once the usual schedule is back i can see them falling back down in frequency to just being the ocassional filler, which i think works just fine given their purpose

[ornate trout]

well, its only three so far, so we still gotta wait till they get more common

Idk abt gojo and tengen, cus I dont have the familiar/dont use them

[sour flax]

gojo was good but not super good and tengen is js a better alucard support lacking dps

[unreal ivy]

Tengen's familiar makes him a really good dps but his buffs are probably where he'll shine

+30% fire and blast damage is huge

[ornate trout]

dang

thats crazy

[wispy yew]

185k dps in full aoe is lacking dps?

[sour flax]

if only they kept broly as a blast unit

[modest meteor]

no idea why its fire and blast 🥀

just do 1

[unreal ivy]

another upscale for my glorious king escanor (and kaguya ig)

[wispy yew]

Two is better

[ornate trout]

sjw should get a vanguard familiar cus i have monarch on him

oh and if its on limited units

[sour flax]

😕mb all

[modest meteor]

far more unbalanced

[unreal ivy]

Yeah i would have probably just kept it to blast

[ornate trout]

GIVE TOJI VF CUS I HAVE MONARCH ON HIM

[unreal ivy]

or at the least lowered the buff

[ornate trout]

make him deal 500000% dmg

and bypass healthbars

like bypassing infinity

and buff unknown by 500%

[sour flax]

lwkey should be passion

[unreal ivy]

Toji familiar replaces him with the worm

[ornate trout]

cus gojo didnt know him

[wispy yew]

It doesn’t matter anyways kaguya don’t get buffed by tengen

[modest meteor]

he wasnt on the limited poll 🥀

[wispy yew]

For some reason tengen don’t give kaguya fire element

[modest meteor]

hes not a passion unit tho is he? i thought he was blast base

[barren jewel]

Dragonball legends mentioned.

[wispy yew]

So realistic it’s just fire units he buffing in general

[unreal ivy]

💔

[sour flax]

devs do anything to not give kaguya more upscales

[modest meteor]

VFs are fine if they do cha

[sour flax]

yeah but like if he was gonna do another element i would think it to be passion instead of fire

[wispy yew]

No, she’s annoying asf

[ornate trout]

VFs are fine if they do VSJW

[wispy yew]

And she can’t bring hype

[ornate trout]

VSJW is super hype

just saying

[modest meteor]

wait until she buffs vsjw

lmao

[neat latch]

????

[serene token]

vsjw evo

[modest meteor]

also how is she annoying what

[sour flax]

😭

[barren jewel]

Another?

[ornate trout]

give vsjw a new evo alled super vanguard

[modest meteor]

if they dont make the cha familiar buff vsjw in some way, im gonna be so dissapointed 🥀

[ornate trout]

which makes him top 1 AGAIN

[barren jewel]

Secret vanguard

[modest meteor]

or the opposite

probably the opposite since thats what happened in the manwha

[ornate trout]

or you could even call him... an anime vanguard

[serene token]

she buffs mythic sjw instead

[ornate trout]

🔥

[barren jewel]

[wispy yew]

Anime

[modest meteor]

💔

[wispy yew]

She’s with sjw because he’s the strongest hunter?

[sour flax]

manhwa

[wispy yew]

What a joke

[modest meteor]

how is she annoying

"anime"

[wispy yew]

Could’ve been ANYONE ELSE BUT SJW

[modest meteor]

thats not even what shes with him for tho

[ornate trout]

give Aizen a vf

[modest meteor]

she has a genetic disorder that makes everyone else smell like shit 🥀

[wispy yew]

would’ve been better if she went with the first anime girl we saw in eps 1

[sour flax]

ong she was into him when he was weak

[wispy yew]

at least she’s honest

the b tier healer

[ornate trout]

give aizezn a vf which makes it so the enemies cant reach the base cus its an illusion

[modest meteor]

that b tier healer wouldve died btw

if they married

[sour flax]

she should’ve js turned into a shadow

[fervent ginkgo]

mushy might just be the free engagment farm

[junior finch]

the thing i hate about those familiars is that once those units get powercrept again what will they do then add an another familiar?

[serene token]

yes

[wispy yew]

Yes.

[neat latch]

doesn't respect the players time at all

[junior finch]

well thats pretty stupid imo

[neat latch]

VFamiliars in general don't respect the player's time

[wispy yew]

Better than this shitty suggestion

Cancel the concept of VF and proceed to not give anything in return?

[rain osprey]

someone said something smart here

or just the same thing?

[neat latch]

i could go on about how you're just wrong but i'm not sure i should because you're mushy and wouldn't get it anyway

[idle gull]

is that the fruad

[idle gull]

its 25 Minutes

[neat latch]

for five days straight and on top of that is boring every time (odyssey is dogshit)

it is unironically slop content

[wispy yew]

So you’re the type of developer to give a simple “fuck you” message to the community after promising multiple vanguard familiars?

[idle gull]

Its 25 mins for 5 days
If u dont have the time for that you should not play tower defenses

[neat latch]

i would change the way vfamiliars work

for starters, i'd put more effort into them 💀

they're lazy

id also probably just lock them behind unit achievement completion

we need more of those anyway

[junior finch]

the only thing i hate about the vfamiliars is how we are wasting 100 rrs or phoenix shards everytime we get them rn

[wispy yew]

I don’t see the problem

You’re not forced to get the familiar

[neat latch]

you are if the unit is top 1 meta like sukuna is

you'd be actively holding yourself back by not getting them

[junior finch]

inf lb meta rn so i need to get it to run this season

[wispy yew]

Or run with a different squad that don’t require Sukuna?

You have counters to that

[neat latch]

let me rephrase

you don't have to get vfamiliars for units

[junior finch]

im talking about tengen

[neat latch]

but you'd be actively holding yourself back

from not obtaining them

sukuna is extremely good

this is like telling people not to shoot for the best content in the game

just because they don't have to

and can use alternatives

💀

[junior finch]

• u cannot replace him for anyone (hiei causes lag so theres no other unit to replace tengen rn)

[wispy yew]

Well they could because those units you’re talking about are completely over kill

Why bother get new units if old units can solo everything fine?

The game plans to not add hard content for a while so you’re not missing out on much.

[junior finch]

ever heard of leaderboards, tournaments??

[wispy yew]

Tournaments is just rumbling spam

Just like how current one is rumbling

[junior finch]

due to the recent change theres gonna be less rumbling tournaments

what about wl lb

u need sukuna griffith goblin slayer

[wispy yew]

Nobody does that game mode

[junior finch]

and many more

[wispy yew]

80h for 30x rerolls haha

[junior finch]

i see why ppl are clowning on u now💔

[wispy yew]

Why would anybody do wl lb

Not worth doing when it take most 70h of ur time for only 30x rerolls

when inf lb is 100 rerolls for 2h of ur time

[unreal ivy]

half an hour max for 5 days in return for a unit that's going to be in the meta for probably the next 2-3 months, that's actually pretty good

[neat latch]

i was mainly referring to the screenshot where the devs said a unit can get more than one vfamiliar

THAT doesn't respect the player's time especially

[unreal ivy]

ehhh

I mean i can see where your coming from, but i don't think it'll be that bad

[neat latch]

grinds for vfamiliar that's meant to bring a unit back to meta

[unreal ivy]

as in the sense i dont think we'll see a VF for sukuna again for probably a year

[neat latch]

months later another vfamiliar drops for the same unit

old vfamiliar invalidated

[wispy yew]

Which is a good thing

[neat latch]

it just seems like a cycle if something like this happens

[wispy yew]

It can boost ccu up

[neat latch]

never ending cycle

just rework or buff the original vfamiliar if need be

[unreal ivy]

I would 100% agree if we were seeing a new VF for a repeated unit every like 7 months

but i don't personally see that being the case, i think at the earliest their frequency is going to line up with new season/content releases from that ip, like for example i doubt we'll see more sukuna content until either (at the earliest) the meguna event gets animated or the final arc begins to release

[narrow kite]

sukuna was not a fraud

[narrow kite]

odyssey is such a well thought out and fun gfamemode

this has to be like a record

[blissful wasp]

Chance shrine moment

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-ror2-shrine-risk-of-rain2-beetle-risk-of-rain2-gif-24787157

[narrow kite]

finaly

I had to go to the next stage 😭

[night fractal]

2nd and 4th are fact, but for the 3rd, maybe they will do ( for exemple with gilgamesh ) playing 25 games not with gilgamesh but with fate unit, with that new player can get rrs ( that's still unfair but lower than give anything to them )

[wispy yew]

I don’t know why y’all hating on me for that statement when it’s true lol

Looking at previous season and seeing players at floor 430+ tells u it already

[open cradle]

i have nothing of importance to add but i see agnes tachyon so this is automatically peak

[rain osprey]

me when i see someone having FUN PLAYING AV

[narrow kite]

wl needs tweaks tho

imo u should be able to get previous WL unit portals if u place high but that is probably never happening

[pastel jewel]

You aint wrong

But still fuck everyone who does lb🗣

[jaunty ember]

well, like I said something is better then nothing

[narrow kite]

now we just wait for the stat drop to decide if they're sub meta or top 5

[jaunty ember]

yea

it really only matters if the familiar adds a passive

since gilgameshs arnt great

[narrow kite]

gojo was meta for like a day until sukuna came along

deserved tho he was the worst release ever

[jaunty ember]

still the same shitty obtainment method 🥀

[glad tinsel]

💔

[narrow kite]

now we just wait for the final one

[hidden gust]

💔

[narrow kite]

I think they will release a G4 one too unless sukuna got special treatment

[glad tinsel]

Av has fallen

[narrow kite]

sukuna probably just got special treatment cuz he was supposed to get a double Evo tho

[hidden gust]

Now we gotta ts for 5 days straight just for some familiar. Amazing

[jaunty ember]

ong 🥀

I hate ts

[narrow kite]

and he ends up being top 1 and new players can't compete

[jaunty ember]

just let me do the grind on my night off so I can play the damn game

like EVERY OTHER event

[narrow kite]

he ends up being meta inf meta tourney and meta wl

[glad tinsel]

thanks you anime vanguard developers for adding such fun and engaging content to the game

[hidden gust]

Yeah💔

[narrow kite]

I could care less Abt the unit familiar being easier to grind post event if it's engaging and fun

[hidden gust]

Maybe they'll change the method at some point❤️‍🩹

[narrow kite]

like yeah I'm upset I lost 100 rrs but it would be healthier for the game

[glad tinsel]

Put me through the depths of hell bro

I rather do that then do this bullshit for days

[narrow kite]

add like a zenkai rush system

please

the first time als had a decent system was ex boosts

[hidden gust]

I just got server hopped

[narrow kite]

what happened

[hidden gust]

Probably fixed some bug

[night fractal]

HEEE I PREDICTED IT YEAAAHHH

[glad tinsel]

I lowkey hate als

But it felt less like slop then av rn

well idk about the game rn but when gligamesh first dropped it was less sloppy then current av

[narrow kite]

als was def more slop

[jaunty bobcat]

Way more slop

[narrow kite]

I would afk a stage overnight and get 1k rrs

with minimal effort

and ichigo is literally unpowercreepable

his dmg scales off enemy hp

[glad tinsel]

You right my fault

Save AV..

[jaunty ember]

also pretty sure you can get 200 rrs per event not 100

but I might be wrong, havnt been able to keep up with these events due to my job

[wispy yew]

300 assuming u dont pick the fam

200 if u do

[narrow kite]

I was considering the familiar but I didn't know u could get 200 without

[jaunty ember]

yea you can just keep buying them

[karmic grove]

Bump

[jaunty ember]

I do hope people understand that av will fall into the same issue als had if they keep VF pace up

if im understanding right people stopped playing als because powercreep wasnt real and it spoonfeed rrs

we have gotten 4 about to be 5 VFs in less then a month

[narrow kite]

als died cuz the content was repetitive after a point

[jaunty ember]

1200rrs, damn near pitty

[narrow kite]

after I get maybe 2 godlies it gets insanely boring

[jaunty ember]

and for a td game thats because you have everything you need at all times

[narrow kite]

no like the new content didn't offer anything new

it was just reskinned dungeons or survivial

[jaunty ember]

yes because you already had everything you needed

[narrow kite]

yea but again the game got boring late game cuz the loop never changed

that's what is happening to av too

all ppl who have a meta team do is play 25 stages a day and leave

[jaunty ember]

td games loops dont change, the base/core of the game is something so simple it cant just be modified without changing the game entirly, this has always been an issue for td games

[narrow kite]

maybe turn on their smalltask

[jaunty ember]

the grind comes from you having to keep up with the scaling that comes with updates and the new stages

something you wont have to do if av starts buffing every damn unit and spoon feeding u rrs

[narrow kite]

yea but there don't anything rewarding between the 5 days of u grinding for the familiar and getting it

there isn't alternatives to grind

its just that and there isn't any other relatable similar thing to grind for

[jaunty ember]

200rrs+familiar is ur reward T-T

[narrow kite]

again it's boring

25 stages is a lot of time doing the exact same thing

[jaunty ember]

thats to do with the content, I agree 25 missions a day is ass

[narrow kite]

also that

time gating

I should be allowed to grind up to the familiar in the first day if I spend enough time

[jaunty ember]

ong 🥀 I can only play for resonable time for 1-2 days a week

[narrow kite]

compared to other content that takes days to grind due to the scale of the quest

the casual player will happily spend multiple days grinding for broly or WL units even tho u could do it in a day

[jaunty ember]

I think thats fine, if its a quest that saves progress and its different things idm

because im not getting on every day to do the same 25 missions

[narrow kite]

I think the main problem is time gating

[jaunty ember]

you feel the progress in doing a questline like with Vsjw or broly, you dont feel progress counting to 25

right

[wispy yew]

acting like you would do anything better than them

[narrow kite]

id rather they make an exchange shop for familiars

[narrow kite]

I'm not a game dev

but it's clearly a lazy way to go Abt this

[dry geyser]

20 mins btw ☠️

[jaunty ember]

dosnt really change anything

20-25 minutes of starring at wall isnt enjoyable

[prisma heart]

change the obtainment and add a unique attack or ability to the unit and we cool

[jaunty ember]

get on to do the same thing everyday for 20-25 minutes or you lose 40rrs

[dry geyser]

yeah

im at 6k rerolls

not complaining

[jaunty ember]

this is so much fun

[modest meteor]

ive stopped even doing this, why would i grind for VFs (on units i dont really like, besides sukuna my king ❤️‍🩹 ) or rerolls when my monarchs are going to solo the next few updates, based on how they've been scaling things

[jaunty ember]

I sure do I enjoy doing the same 4 steps for 20minutes straight

[dry geyser]

Not supposed to be

[prisma heart]

gilgamesh never did 20 minutes of odyssey to get ea

[jaunty ember]

so

playing the game isnt meant to be fun?

[dry geyser]

it’s repetitive content

ofc it’s not supposed to be fun

that’s why they give so many rewards

[jaunty ember]

I see

[dry geyser]

also u don’t need to even do it manually

just use sal mon and do chall + bounty overnight

[jaunty ember]

av players 🥀

[prisma heart]

aight man

[jaunty ember]

nothing without a 🥭

[dry geyser]

ur playing av

without a 🥭

[jaunty ember]

for the most part yea

[dry geyser]

that is like going to war without a gun

[jaunty ember]

well thing about war is others bring guns, not that hard to pick one up of the ground

[smoky elm]

the obtain method should be way better

[dry geyser]

they should switch it up

[jaunty ember]

but yea ig we have it here

[smoky elm]

and i 🥭

[jaunty ember]

playing the game isnt meant to be fun and like always "just 🥭 it"

sure hope nobody here is a console player

or maybe a mobile player

[dry geyser]

dude

[jaunty ember]

sure hope nobody use mac or linux

[dry geyser]

these events literally closed the gap between pc and console/mobile players

😭

[jaunty ember]

that would suck

[jaunty ember]

they deffintly dont

they help

[dry geyser]

yes they did

[jaunty ember]

but no they dont close that gap

if yu've ignored the familiar from these events you get 300rrs from them, acording to mushy

thats alot, but compaired to the average 🥭 user

[dry geyser]

we had 2 and 1 decadance

• elemental

[jaunty ember]

let me remind you, who also will get these rrs

[dry geyser]

evo quest

trials

shenron

[jaunty ember]

yea everyone gets them

not just mobile/console players

so they dont close the gap

because everyone benefits

[hidden gust]

Imagine having to use a 🥭 just to get familiars💔

[dry geyser]

u don’t get the point

[jaunty ember]

they give mobile/console players some extra omph

but that dosnt close the gap

[dry geyser]

before it was 3 rerolls a day for mobile players

[jaunty ember]

if anything

it made the gap bigger

because now 🥭 users get more

and people who cant play daily or often on mobile/console lose more for not being on

[dry geyser]

now it’s like 25 to 40

[jaunty ember]

for now, while the events up

[dry geyser]

are u slow

[jaunty ember]

but guess what, the 🥭 users, also get the extra 25-40

[dry geyser]

updates literally happened as event ended

[dry geyser]

no they don’t

☠️

[jaunty ember]

so the rrs shop is only on console/mobile?

[dry geyser]

max ur getting is 30 a day on weekdays and 40 on weekends extra

[jaunty ember]

so ur saying the rrs from the events arnt obtainable on pc?

[dry geyser]

not the point

im saying u don’t need to 🥭

[jaunty ember]

I mean it is the point

ur saying mobile/console is catching up

[dry geyser]

im saying before it was WAY worse than it is right now

[jaunty ember]

if everyone gets more, that dosnt mean the people with less catching up

let me explain this the best way I can for you

if a mobile/console player has 1 rr, and th event gives everyone 5 rrs, they have 6 rrs

[dry geyser]

dude before rerolls for mobile players were nonexistent

[jaunty ember]

now

if a pc player has 7 rrs, and the event gives everyone 5 rrs

[dry geyser]

tweaking about everyone getting an extra 20 a day easily

[jaunty ember]

how many rrs does the pc player have

can you do 7+5

ill assume not

[dry geyser]

you’re genuinely slow LOL

[jaunty ember]

so

the pc player now has 12 rrs

the gap before was

1 to 7

the gap now is 6 to 12

[dry geyser]

yes

[jaunty ember]

the gap is still the same ammount

[dry geyser]

SIX

[jaunty ember]

the gap, has not been closed

everyone got more, the gap stays the same

[dry geyser]

it has

before u NEEDED to 🥭

now it’s not a necessity

[jaunty ember]

you are right, that dosnt change the situation any

[dry geyser]

will pc players get more for leaving their pc on for 12 hours a day?

ofc

[stiff sedge]

vf are no bad thing

[jaunty ember]

they are

[stiff sedge]

i dont think so

[dry geyser]

they’re fine they just need to slow down with them

[jaunty ember]

thats okay

[jaunty ember]

I think they are bad, but, I agree

if they stay, they need to slow down

[dry geyser]

makes people wanna play the game

they’re definitely staying

[jaunty ember]

makes people think they need to play the game

I dont want to do ts

[dry geyser]

then don’t?

[jaunty ember]

doing the same thing for 20 minutes is not fun

[dry geyser]

then don’t?

[stiff sedge]

well thats bad yk cuz the amount of GOOD units we get and the AMOUNT of rrs that are obainable is bad

like

[dry geyser]

no one is forcing you

[sacred trout]

anything for the trait rrs dawg

[jaunty ember]

and fall behind? lose 1200 free rrs?

[stiff sedge]

you cant publish vf back to back

[dry geyser]

then stop complaining

[jaunty ember]

thats like telling a pc playing not to 🥭

[dry geyser]

ur getting 1200 FREE rrs

[jaunty ember]

just because i need to eat shit to not starve dosnt mean I enjoy eating shit

Im going to complain about having to eat shit

[sacred trout]

and u only needa play 30 minutes a day

[dry geyser]

bros comparing eating shit to doing a stage for 20 mins a day

☠️

[jaunty ember]

make a counter argument < say random things

av players

[dry geyser]

not even like the grind is hard anyway

[stiff sedge]

but the mission you gotta do are serious bullshit

they are so lazy

[jaunty ember]

i not once said doing 25 stages is hard

I dont even think used the word hard in this thread until now

[dry geyser]

then stop complaining

ur getting free rerolls

[jaunty ember]

so again

just because the shit im eating is soft, dosnt make eating it enjoyable

[stiff sedge]

the missions are ass

[terse gyro]

100% agree with this prolly the only thing i read everything

[dry geyser]

then don’t do them

😭

[stiff sedge]

they gotta put more fun way

[jaunty ember]

tell that to mobile player that needs the rrs to keep up

[dry geyser]

I don’t think there is a more fun way dude😭

[jaunty ember]

the ones you claim are "closing the gap"

[wispy yew]

mobile players can use ahk too

[stiff sedge]

there is gng you just gotta make it happen but they wont

[jaunty ember]

yea if u got fucking super phone, mine would explode 🥀

[fluid moss]

they couldve made a quest for the vfs yk

[dry geyser]

then they shouldn’t complain about 0 monarchs

[jaunty ember]

av players 🥀

people like you make ants look smart

[dry geyser]

u just want free shit for doing no work

😭

[jaunty ember]

so 25 stages isnt "work" and im getting free shit

my entire point is that this is bad because of the free shit (and other issues)

[dry geyser]

ur complaining about 20 mins out of ur day for something that wasn’t available before

[jaunty ember]

thank you for telling you havnt read any of this thread

and ur just here to get attention

[dry geyser]

yep

[jaunty ember]

some of the people here have like a genuine super power when it comes to being a dumbass

ts needs to be studied

[dry geyser]

not that deep

do the stages if u want rerolls

don’t do them if u don’t like it

[fluid moss]

tbf atd players arent known to be smart

[jaunty ember]

running av player command 1

lost argument, deploy = "its not that deep 🤓 "

[fluid moss]

they enjoy that 20 rerolls a day so they wont complain lmao

[jaunty ember]

20 rrs a day keeps the av players brain away

[dry geyser]

this is so funny

[jaunty ember]

free stuff? it cant be bad!

[dry geyser]

bro has a job and worrying about av rerolls

[jaunty ember]

yea, funny word

job

[dry geyser]

priorities bro priorities

[jaunty ember]

wow, its almost like I enjoy playing the game on my off day 🤔 its like a hobby of sorts

[dry geyser]

these events are just made to create fomo

[jaunty ember]

who woulda guessed on the nights im not at work, I do other things

av players and there lack of understand of employment is amazing

my english did not work there

[austere steeple]

why not just do the 25 odessay stages when on break- thats what i do irl imo

[jaunty ember]

but im not gonna fix it, dumb and dumber probably read it properly

[jaunty ember]

cant

phone dosnt run av very well and on lunch im normally eating

ya know, lunch

[dry geyser]

bros phone some buns

[jaunty ember]

bros brain some buns

[dry geyser]

same guy complaining about free rrs 💔

[hidden gust]

Is the gilgamesh event bugged

[jaunty ember]

at this point just say you want my attention

[dry geyser]

u complaining to complain

[austere steeple]

no its not but the event tracker is bugged

[hidden gust]

Yeah that's what i meant

[dry geyser]

completions count but theyre just bugged ingame?

[neat latch]

this type of defense/counter-argument has always been annoying

[austere steeple]

no the tracker just says 0/10 and doesnt go up- the completions count tho

[neat latch]

"well i'd like to see YOU do better! hmph!"

[jaunty ember]

deadass just need my attention dont u

av players run command 2

Ignore all points, talk bullshit, ragebait

[wispy yew]

don't trash talk the devs if u can't

these developers are professional for a reason

[dry geyser]

its counting for tengen though? is it just gilgamesh

[winter wren]

professional in breaking rifts

[jaunty ember]

they are not professionals 🥀

[austere steeple]

yep

[slim briar]

its 1 hour rifts for a week

[neat latch]

i genuinely believe that it wouldn't be that hard for me to make a whole concept for better vfamiliars

[slim briar]

and youre gonna call my idea bad still

[neat latch]

or anyone, for that matter

vfamiliars are very surface level

[slim briar]

and yes, i was lurking

[winter wren]

ik but still funny how something always cause rifts to break

[jaunty ember]

also just because say, I cant do a backflip dosnt mean if i see dude do a backflip wrong, that I dont understand it was wrong

[winter wren]

you asked for hourly rifts and higher rewards

[jaunty ember]

like I know if I went to a backflip, id eat shit and cry

but if see someone else do it, im gonna go "hey man, u didnt do that right"

[dry geyser]

complaining to complain

this guy bruh

[jaunty ember]

just say you need me atp

ill marry u if u really want

[dry geyser]

talkin bout backflips

[winter wren]

suggestions moment

[jaunty ember]

ong

bros on av player command 2

[neat latch]

i made an impeccable gif but i don't think i can send it in this chat

i can only send gifs in stage suggestions for some reason

[winter wren]

download it

and send it

[winter wren]

so when is the marriage

[dry geyser]

av players vs not complaining about free shit

[jaunty ember]

dunno

[jaunty ember]

av players vs common sense and reading

just say you didnt graduate its okay

I wont make fun of u

[narrow kite]

I'm getting tengen as well purely cuz he buffs sukuna

[jaunty ember]

Type shit

[dry geyser]

Ye

the point

[slim briar]

slop disguised as peak

[dry geyser]

they said it was supposed to be lazy content

[winter wren]

i will like 10 please

[slim briar]

and thats kinda an issue tbh

[winter wren]

the lazy guy is against the lazy content

[slim briar]

they just want that easy ass playertime for premium payouts

[winter wren]

[austere steeple]

the whole concept of the VFs is stright from og astd- w the orbs

[dry geyser]

enough rerolls will make me look the other way

[neat latch]

this is a problem when AV has built up a reputation of having a clearly higher quality standard than other ATDs

[slim briar]

and thats also an issue

6 months ago i would kill for rerolls now i have 5 monarchs

[jaunty ember]

hey man

stop preaching my points

stealing my thunder!

[neat latch]

brother i've been a vfamiliar hater d1

[jaunty ember]

nu uh

now we ops

[dry geyser]

some slop content is okay espesically considering how high quality av is

[neat latch]

the vast majority of ur points were secretly mine before this post was even made

[jaunty ember]

I thought u was my #1 supporter

[neat latch]

🚬

[jaunty ember]

:0

[austere steeple]

5 is lowk pathetic

[winter wren]

vf are good because i want rerolls to roll on support units

[fervent ginkgo]

they were everyones points smh

[neat latch]

mine

[slim briar]

4 in 2 months

[jaunty ember]

miso :)

[winter wren]

miso the bum

[fervent ginkgo]

W engagement bait

[austere steeple]

my alt account that i made on 8.0 has 6 rn

[fervent ginkgo]

what did i do bruh

[jaunty ember]

ong

[neat latch]

real asf

[slim briar]

rlly just proving my point how the slop is getting a bit too crazy

[winter wren]

i hate everything @slate vault like

[jaunty ember]

@fervent ginkgo did u ever make the familiar ui thing

[dry geyser]

av playesr when the game rewards you for consistantly playing:

[neat latch]

my one and only monarch up until events were added was an igris monarch that i got in 20 rr when the game released

[fervent ginkgo]

working on a stage suggestion

[winter wren]

av players when av

[fervent ginkgo]

tryna finish it tonight

[dry geyser]

bring back 7.0 difficulty

that was fun

[jaunty ember]

stinky

[fervent ginkgo]

🥹

sorry

[neat latch]

now i have kaguya, guts, jin mori, leo monarched

[winter wren]

leo

who tf is leo

[neat latch]

leo was a whiff

[dry geyser]

random

[neat latch]

i did not mean to get monarch on her

[neat latch]

summer secret unit

black clover fire girl

[winter wren]

oh

[slim briar]

shenron wish is a good example of that, not the familiar events

[hidden gust]

Do yall think the devs would make a different way of obtaining the familiars

[dry geyser]

it was genuinely well balanced

u could do the stage if u had kaguya monarch from the last update

if u didnt u had to take extra steps

[slim briar]

"the stage was well balanced"
"you needed the best character in the game during that time thats a 0.005% drop with the 0.1% trait"

we CANT be serious twin

[dry geyser]

yes

no u didnt need her

u could do it without

[hidden gust]

Is getting kaguya monarch really that hard for some of yall🥺

[dry geyser]

that was the bonus for grinding 6.5

u could clear the next update easily

[winter wren]

the summer event is the only one i monarch everyone

[slim briar]

you mean the event you could grind 100 hours for and not have kaguya because she had no pity?

[dry geyser]

yeah

u got rewarded for grinding it

[dry geyser]

hey man i dropped 6.5m for my first kaguya

[slim briar]

yea im done here

[winter wren]

mf you had the unit

[dry geyser]

🤷‍♂️

[slim briar]

professional ragebait

[hidden gust]

Not even a million and i have 2 kaguyas🥺

[dry geyser]

its was fine balanced

[winter wren]

balanced enough to make sure players lose their minds

[dry geyser]

cause ppl are brainrotted by als easy content

[winter wren]

i deadass fucking hate the crystal titan

[dry geyser]

ppl were clearing the stage traitless and u only had to do it 10 times

[winter wren]

10? wasn't it 15

[dry geyser]

no

10

[winter wren]

so im schizo and did 5 extra ones for no reason

😭

[dry geyser]

maybe on drop

when i played it was 10

but ye

the difficulty in aot was fine

[white osprey]

That event quest is an options. Same as bounty. If u want it, u can grind. If not, then its fine. U dont have to play everyday. But if u want free rr, then dev give u this option.

[jaunty ember]

It gets to a point to where "its optional" becomes do it or start falling behind at a rapid rate, I dont worry about bounties because thats just 10 rrs and thats fine

but with the now 4 VF familiar events thats 1200 rerolls total

[leaden girder]

how is that unfair

ion see how its unfair

[idle gull]

Guys is the reqs for tester being blind and have no limbs

[leaden girder]

the way old players r being treated is worse than new players rn btw

[jaunty ember]

🤨 what are you on?

getting 1 free mid tier unit is not compairable to having an unobtainable unit with a VF

[leaden girder]

200 rerolls from being new, events being incredibly easy, no more hard content, and theyve obviously started appealing to new players

😭

name 1 thing theyve done for old players besides returning rewards and vanguard familiars

[leaden girder]

can barely even count returning rewards considering it takes 3 weeks

[jaunty ember]

200rrs and a mid tier unit is still not comparable to a unobtainable VF

"no more hard content" goes for everyone, not just new players, a majority of av playerbase prefers the easier content, this is why they've kept it

[leaden girder]

200rrs and a mid tier unit are 100% comparable to a single unobtainable vf

😭

[jaunty ember]

yea bro, ur on something 🥀

[leaden girder]

ur acting like appealing to new players is a one time thing

they will be doing this

for the rest of the game's life

because it works

[jaunty ember]

its amazing how that also has nothing to do with my entire thread about VFs

[leaden girder]

u said "new players are being treated unfairly because of vfs"

[jaunty ember]

They are

[leaden girder]

theyre not

1 vf is not changing the entire game's meta

this was very obviously a one off thing because theyre limited

[jaunty ember]

Having to go out of you're way to grind/trait/stat an old unit thats out of meta for a VF or rerolls is not something thats going to be enjoyable for a new player who dosnt have those resources coming in steadly, not to mention the fact they would be putting resources into a bad unit compaired to a meta one with the thoughts it would be good, av playerbase is dumb and tend to jump the gun on rolling on a unit whenever its mentioned they are getting any form of evo/vf/buff

[slim briar]

sukuna: 💀

[leaden girder]

limited**

[jaunty ember]

sukuna isnt limited

[leaden girder]

wow so older players are rewarded with having their old units be good again while new players are able to do EXACTLY what the older player can?

[jaunty ember]

they dont even become that good, not even compairable to the current new units rolling in, this is also right before whats going to most likely be the biggest power scaling update av has seen

what are you even talking about 🥀

[leaden girder]

bro this is so unfair because the newer player has to grind

i cant believe this

[jaunty ember]

vfs are straight slop content yall are eating up simply because it gives you free rrs, ts does nothing good for the game 🥀

[leaden girder]

the newer player has to grind for something!?!?!?

god

cant handle this

[jaunty ember]

this would be the 4th maybe 5th time ive said to say "no shit new players have to grind" however adding more they need to do to catch up isnt fun, filler content is not good for anything

av discordians truly need to be studied

[leaden girder]

filler content is not good for anything 😭

almost all .5 updates have just been filler content

[jaunty ember]

you can read, good job

[leaden girder]

they literally admitted to .5s being for qol and filler for .0 updates

😭

[fossil agate]

where’s mushy bro

🥹

[jaunty ember]

🥀 im sorry broski but compairing new rifts / and detailed content is not compairable to

"do this 25 times"

its like im talking to someone who has never played anything other then roblox 🥀

[neat latch]

hard agree

[dry geyser]

fr

game wasn’t brainrot easy

[jaunty ember]

Idm diff content, as long as its done in a more unique way then "bs mechanic heheha"

[neat latch]

it's even brainrot easier due to how generous they're getting w/ handing out rr as i p much just said in the other thread regarding VFamiliars

[dry geyser]

only one who became mediocre is gojo

sukuna and tengen are nuts

[leaden girder]

sukunas the only good familiar

[dry geyser]

so is tengen?

☠️

[jaunty ember]

ive yet to get any of them / see any real content on them so I wouldnt know

[leaden girder]

if ur under top 5 ur useless

[dry geyser]

uhm no?

[leaden girder]

uhm yes

[jaunty ember]

thread dosnt really have much to do with how good they get, its more just about how its happening and how it will afffect the game ya know.

[leaden girder]

why are u gonna purposefully use a shittier unit

😭

[dry geyser]

Tengen gives kaguya a damn near 50% dps boost

[neat latch]

bait..?

[dry geyser]

as well as sukuna buffs her too

[jaunty ember]

🤨

50% dmg on the best unit in the game?

yes please?

[leaden girder]

purposefully using shittier units for no reason 😭

[dry geyser]

ye

they’re not tho?

[leaden girder]

better dmg farms btw

[dry geyser]

they all buff eachother

[jaunty ember]

me when support!

yea chuckybird is one of those guys

"hehe dmg number big"

bet he thinks esc is the best unit

[dry geyser]

Tengen deals like 190k dps on his own with full aoe

WHILE buffing other units

🥀

[opal elbow]

I used to be a buffer myself

[jaunty ember]

atomic stinks again

cooked

[leaden girder]

LOL what else do u do in this game besides rifts everything is a damage check besides infs \

[opal elbow]

What

[dry geyser]

nothing cause ts game going down the als route

[neat latch]

guy who only cares about damage:

[jaunty ember]

which is bad 🙏

[dry geyser]

if av dies I think atd games in general are gonna fall of

not many better options

[jaunty ember]

(this is why im calling vfs bad btw)

[leaden girder]

cuz every in this game is lit a dmg checker 😭 if there was hard content maybe kaguya would have a case for being good

[neat latch]

guy who minmaxxes in a roblox anime tower defense:

[jaunty ember]

(its the start of a downfall)

[dry geyser]

minmaxing is fun

[slim briar]

unless they have consistently bad updates again theres no way its dying

[neat latch]

kaguya is quite literally the most versatile unit in the game in every mode

[leaden girder]

rifts - mvp farms

dungeons - dmg checks

what else do u have in this game

[dry geyser]

how are dungeons damage checks

[leaden girder]

nada buddy

[opal elbow]

Pvp

[opal elbow]

Get this greeny out of here bro

[leaden girder]

how are they not

this is a less of an issue abt vfs and more an issue about the game's difficulty

[prisma hamlet]

gogeta familiar better win the poll next time ngl

[dry geyser]

u can’t have difficulty without harming damn near everyone

especially with monarch

[leaden girder]

if u have no difficulty it makes the game stale and bland

esp since most of av's updates are finished in a few days

😭

[slim briar]

soooo is every atd stale and bland?

because theyre all braindead easy

[dry geyser]

I think the game currently is scaled for people to have 1 monarch

[leaden girder]

its not

almost everything can be done traitless

❓

[leaden girder]

av prides itself on it's originality and uniqueness

[dry geyser]

when it’s not people complain though

😭

there’s literally no way to make both sides happy

[slim briar]

doesnt answer my question

[leaden girder]

yes

basically

thats why av should be different so it doesnt just become another slop atd

[slim briar]

why are you playing atd then

[jaunty ember]

"originality and uniqueness" me when 25 missions

[dry geyser]

devs like ccu so that’s never happening

[slim briar]

infact why play roblox at all

[fervent ginkgo]

the vfamliars are the slop that you hate so much

[leaden girder]

my friend plays it and i have nothing else to play on rblx

[jaunty ember]

"so it dosnt become slop" me when 25 missions

[dry geyser]

vfams not even bad they just spamming it too much 💔💔

[fervent ginkgo]

yes its content but its still slop

Als did weekly update but it was still slop

[dry geyser]

just like meter units

😭😭

[fervent ginkgo]

that is one of the reasons

[leaden girder]

vfamiliars are fine the slop is how easy everything is

[jaunty ember]

id be fine with vfs if we had stopped on gojo/sukuna 🙏

[dry geyser]

maybe

ONE per update

[slim briar]

yet somehow overtime their updates have become even sloppier

[dry geyser]

not fucking

3

😭

[slim briar]

each one more than the last

[fervent ginkgo]

the formula on how they are made is also slop bro

[jaunty ember]

this

[jaunty ember]

*4 about to be 5

we are about to be able to make a full team of vf units before ani update

all in less then 3 weeks