Rework Gogeta's passives/abilities

[torpid hamlet]

I think his passives personally make 0 sense. Him being a support/crit unit and his passives as a whole have 0 correlation to source material. I am not asking for a buff I think dps wise he is great for his cost it's just unlike broly (who has a good support ability for ALL unbound units and unbounds having some of the best units rn and him being crit based makes sense with his whole getting stronger with more rage thing) him being mainly support and crit makes no sense for him. It seems more like you guys made him support because everyone was asking for a gogeta ssj4 buff and vegito buff and wasted the most hype unit this update trying to fix both but ultimately failing. It also seems like his whole passives were made with the mindset that he will be a support and be crit based (idk if that was a theme for this upd or what) instead of actually making him closer to source material with his passives. I mean you guys didn't even do anything unique or cool with Stardust Breaker like giving him a passive that is unlocked once he gets Stardust Breaker that gives him damage reduction negation or it hits through shields or something, just gave him an animation for it, and gave him dodge instead of counter (no ITS FUTILE! 💔🥀). Also the way his passives work he is either a useless support for anyone except himself or jin mori or he is a selfish unit who needs a whole setup to be meta. His setup (unlike Yhwach's) also feels more like a loophole for power from his passives because of how niche and restrictive it is with requiring specific traits to work. I wanted a unit who I could use with my other units in my team but for him to be good you NEED that setup and if he were to not be a support and had better more unique passives that made him standalone he could have been useable for like 90% of players in their teams aswell. Please do the GOAT of DB some justice and just rework his passives to be inline with the character. Ty

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[torpid hamlet]

Bump

[elfin swan]

hes not just a support

[torpid hamlet]

Be honest, did you even read it...

[elfin swan]

yeah i did

his passives are good

[torpid hamlet]

Then you must have read the part where I said he is a selfish unit not just a support

[elfin swan]

some of the coolest passives

[torpid hamlet]

how

what part of them are in any way cool

[elfin swan]

you have to build a team around him and understand how he works

[torpid hamlet]

Him having a cancer team setup is not cool

[elfin swan]

highest potential dps and very good support

[torpid hamlet]

very good support to who? Jin mori?

[elfin swan]

ssj4 and mori

[torpid hamlet]

ssj4 dose not need 50% crit change he needs immunity

[elfin swan]

25% cost reduction and 50% crit dmg

[broken scarab]

He’s fine

[torpid hamlet]

this unit was NOT salution to his problems

[broken scarab]

Just needs a counter ability or sum like that

[elfin swan]

thats why he is in the poll lol

[torpid hamlet]

He is not he is nothing close to cool he is just good

[elfin swan]

gogeta is one of the most fun units to use rn

[torpid hamlet]

exatcly then why waste most of his passives to making him a support for 2 units that such a bad design choice

[elfin swan]

he isnt just a support

[torpid hamlet]

just straight up copying salvations words holy he isnt

[elfin swan]

what?

[torpid hamlet]

if he had better cooler passives he would have been more fun and would have been used more in like 90% of team setups

rather than being unsuable in most

He is a good unit im not saying hes bad

[crimson skiff]

wasted the most hype unit this update

[torpid hamlet]

I just wished he had unique passives that made HIM standout

[elfin swan]

he literally does

???

[torpid hamlet]

I mean they did...who is using him

[crimson skiff]

broly was more hyped than gogeta

[elfin swan]

everyone who is smart enough to see how good he is

[torpid hamlet]

everyone expected gogeta to be the vanguard, I would say they were both equally as hype

[torpid hamlet]

mf im not saying hes bad most ppl CANT use him in their setup because of how greedy his setup is

[elfin swan]

he has like 90k+ dps without a setup

[torpid hamlet]

unique as in cool flashy not crit crit crit

[crimson skiff]

blue gogeta doesn't have anything unique to go for him so they did what they could

[torpid hamlet]

??

Stardust breaker,Ultimate Kamehameha, counter what are we on about

[torpid hamlet]

he could have literally had a dimention break ability of his own but nope make him a support/crit unit...

[elfin swan]

gogetas passives are very well designed
having more units that need team building is very healthy for this game

rather than bringing the top 4 units with monarch and farms

[torpid hamlet]

I wouldn't have minded the team building if it wasnt so niche

[vivid totem]

just wait for more fused unit ig

[elfin swan]

he doesnt really need more

[crimson skiff]

zamasu and ermmm who else

[torpid hamlet]

Fair but gogeta is my fav and with his shiny being super gogeta from fusion reborn we aint getting no gogetas ever again which pains me tbh

[elfin swan]

it would be a buff though

[torpid hamlet]

kefla

[torpid hamlet]

the units need deadeye for them to be a buff

[elfin swan]

thank you for telling me

[vivid totem]

i think they planning on adding fused character outside of db

[torpid hamlet]

if they are better with monarch no ones getting deadeye on em...

[vivid totem]

just my theory tho

[torpid hamlet]

Yea thats what I mean they made gogeta greedy for him to be good now and a crutch support for future fusions, thats why I want a rework of his passives

[elfin swan]

how is he a crutch

[torpid hamlet]

Yall only care about him being good I care about him being cool thats the problem

[vivid totem]

i don’t think for the lifespan of this game they have never had a full rework

[elfin swan]

and he is cool, you just arent satisfied

[vivid totem]

sadly we stuck with this

[torpid hamlet]

what part of him entire kit is "cool" its not even close to his source matierial

[torpid hamlet]

true

[torpid hamlet]

yea this feels more like cope...

[elfin swan]

that with a team build around him he can do 500% crits

[vivid totem]

wdym?

[elfin swan]

or smth like that

[torpid hamlet]

again you care about him being good= cool I care about his passives making him cool like abilities or unique passives that are inline with gogeta from the movie

[vivid totem]

at most maybe we could get a vfamiliar

[elfin swan]

yeah that is cool

[torpid hamlet]

yea but that aint happening for a while sigh

[elfin swan]

what other unit does that

hes unique

and usable

[torpid hamlet]

does what?

yhwach has a team setup that makes him good his is just less aids, thats why people concider it more when ranking him

[torpid hamlet]

His setups damage comes directly from other fusions deadeye trait, which makes him worse off as less people are gonna be having those units

if he had passives that made his damage or even crit come from HIS passives that would have made him better, but I am not even talking about that I am talking about an overhall in his passives that eliminates the need for a setup so he can be useable in other team.

[torpid hamlet]

Having a setup dosnt make him unique. They could have given him a domain of his own, that could have even been hell for the shiny. That would have made him unique. Even unique passives that could be inline with the character shown in the movies. Not a 50% crutch support for a useless category of units and 50% single setup unit that will get boring in no time.

[sonic spire]

gogeta when you actually have the option to build a team to funnel crit damage into him, or just use him as an actual bit of really strong support for a niche category that really needs it:

[torpid hamlet]

Av devs when people ask for a gogeta ssj4 familiar and they waste the best fusion on trying to help him and fusions but it ends not being enough and now his support side is only good for himself:

[sonic spire]

[torpid hamlet]

[sonic spire]

I don't get how it's not enough

50% crit chance and 25% cost reduction is an insane buff

[torpid hamlet]

true like are people dumb?

[sonic spire]

I mean, I still voted for gilg

I have a monarch gogeta, but he's in a good spot for now, he's not really in need of a familiar just yet

[torpid hamlet]

gogeta maybe needs the cost re but not the crit he just needs immunity tbh, and vegito is only good for support rn a support buffing a support is welll..

[torpid hamlet]

50/50 yea

[sonic spire]

the crit helps a lot

Immunity is eh

[torpid hamlet]

same I need more nukeslop 💯💯

[torpid hamlet]

his damage is fine

[torpid hamlet]

thats what people want atleast

cuz its what he lacks

[cedar marsh]

everyone knows gilgamesh is the one who deserves it most 🥱

no glaze

i would NEVER glaze gigglemesh

[torpid hamlet]

I dont even have him💔🥀

[cedar marsh]

too bad so sad

stay mad

🥶

[torpid hamlet]

bro voted gigla on 3 different accounts 💔

[torpid hamlet]

I am mad cuz of gogeta

my beloved reduced to a team set up 😭🥀

[cedar marsh]

ye and stay that way

[torpid hamlet]

😔

[cedar marsh]

i've been rooting for vanguard gilgamesh since day 1

[torpid hamlet]

imma go vote gogeta on 12 different accounts

[cedar marsh]

i am the revolution

for every account you vote gogeta, ill use 1000

[torpid hamlet]

all part of aizens plan or some shit huh

[cedar marsh]

fr

[torpid hamlet]

chill they gon do both watch

[cedar marsh]

true

[sonic spire]

Good

[torpid hamlet]

I hate av devs but they might cook with both

[sonic spire]

I'm tired of immunity passives

[torpid hamlet]

you like suffering? 🥀

[sonic spire]

Yes

[torpid hamlet]

makes sense that you spend all day on suggestions then

[sonic spire]

ofc

[winged steppe]

gogeta is already very good

[torpid hamlet]

Passive wise or dmg wise?

[winged steppe]

damage wise

[torpid hamlet]

Then I agree, he is very good

My take is on his passives, I just wish he had different passives so he wouldn't be a setup-type unit. Also that his passives were more intuned with gogetas abilities from the movie rather than crit/support based

[torpid hamlet]

Alot of people right now think it's ok for gogeta to be set up unit mainly because the game is so easy atm that one hyper buffed unit can clear anything but they fail to realise if the game got harder gogeta will be used less and less as people would prioritise better units over support for gogeta to clear these stages solo. That's why a setup unit is bad in theory because you want to build a team around stages and for it to work with your other units rather than around 1 unit, even if that's how the unit should run. Sadly this game will never make stages harder and ppl will keep building setups for 1 unit and think that that's at all a good way a unit should be 💔🥀

[torpid hamlet]

Gogeta only has dps and low cost going for him, if we replace his setups with better units he becomes pointless to use. Nerfing his setup dmg and instead reworking his passives to work with other meta units will only aid him to being more future proof.

[broken scarab]

Ts not getting passed brochacho

[torpid hamlet]

Yea imma just give up atp brotato, my goat got gutted it is what it is

[main ocean]

"Gogeta" and "Best fusion" in the same sentence

Let me think rq

[torpid hamlet]

Goatgeta 0 loose streak vs fraudgito 0 win streak 🥱🥱

[lofty birch]

big numbers are fun

gogetas has the biggest numbers

[torpid hamlet]

sure man, sure

[lofty birch]

is that not why people use guts and escanor

[torpid hamlet]

definitely

[lofty birch]

i like seeing gogeta do 4m damage or whatever

[torpid hamlet]

dps yea mhm

[lofty birch]

plus the reason hes a crit unit is because of dokkan

so really blame dokkan for it

[lofty birch]

i didnt say dps

obviously gogeta cant do 4m dps

[torpid hamlet]

right

[lofty birch]

thanks for agreeing

[torpid hamlet]

np, have a nice day

[main ocean]

Did you even watch gt

[torpid hamlet]

I wasn't calling gt gogeta my goat 😭 plus its not even canon

[main ocean]

Still counts as a loss though 😢

Basically basically defusing = the character lost

Geez did u even watch ur own show

[main ocean]

Still the same character btw😪

[torpid hamlet]

Holy cope its not canon 💔

[torpid hamlet]

nah ssj4 gogeta is totally different

[main ocean]

Still the same character just accept it man not everybody wins😪

[main ocean]

Next level of cope

[torpid hamlet]

yea especially ur defusing fraud vegito lmao

[main ocean]

Did you even watch the show he was never a fraud LMAO😭

Geez let me remind you a statement that is actually popular

"He won I lost"-buuhan

And second if we're counting anime and manga vegito was trashing zamasu

Fraud has lost its meaning

Only defused because the potaras cannot handle my goat❤️

[torpid hamlet]

holy essay

Sure imma give you the win against buu cuz it went according to his plan, but gogeta has still never lost in canon so womp womp I win cope harder kid

[torpid hamlet]

my goat can actually do the job before defusing 🥀💔💔

[main ocean]

If we use the logic "finishing the job" as a win then gogeta didn't too because he let broly get away right?

Oh no now don't count dbz fusion reborn because it isn't "canon" right?

[torpid hamlet]

then vegito didnt either because he didnt kill buu

zamasu literally dose not count as finishing the job lmao

[main ocean]

Because he didn't know he would defuse? Old Kai only mentioned if they fuse they would be like that forever ofc he didn't worry about the time limit😭

[main ocean]

When did I even say he did? I said he was trashing him lmao

So basically both had 0-0 wins

[torpid hamlet]

gogeta didnt know broly would get tped away he was about to end him

[main ocean]

So? He still let him get away

[torpid hamlet]

the cope is crazyyyyyyyyyyyy wow

[main ocean]

Since we're using the logic "finishing the job"

When he didn't

He let him get away

[torpid hamlet]

cuz the job was finished, broly had no evil in him

[main ocean]

And that's crazy he could've instant transmission but he didn't 🤯

[main ocean]

he didn't but yet he was trying to kill him?

[torpid hamlet]

cuz his purpose of fusing was done, broly wasnt a threat anymore...omg vegito fans have the wildest cope in existance

[torpid hamlet]

cuz he was still in rage mode, unlike ur tomfoolery fraud fusion gogeta takes it serious

[main ocean]

And yet he was still attacking him?? Even after that "soul punisher" if he knew then why did still go on and on??

[torpid hamlet]

I just said why...

[main ocean]

Or is ur "goat" a literal psychopath

[torpid hamlet]

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[main ocean]

He wasn't that guy was TRYING to survive 😭

But that still doesn't change the fact he still let him get away

[torpid hamlet]

Cuz his job was finished...

same how vegito didnt kill buu when he could have is because he wanted to save everyone trapped inside of him and let himself get fused so he can get them out. afterwards whatever happed happend his job for fusing was over same as gogeta once broly wanst a threat which was AFTER he was getting tped away he let him escape cuz his job was over, meaning he won the fight lol

keep coping tho brotato

[main ocean]

It wasn't his goal was to fucking eradicate him that guy wanted him GONE with that Kamehameha but he failed he could've chased btw

So summarizing again if vegito is a fraud for not winning/finishing his fights then so is gogeta. Also for not winning/finishing fights.

[torpid hamlet]

its funny ur calling him a psychopath when he literally let him get away because he neutralized the threat. when he was charging his beam broly was still a threat so he had to. Ofc he wanted him gone at no point did broly have any intention to back down and unlike ur "goat" who has no care for defusing gogeta had to make the most of his time and charged one last attack to put down broly, because if he didn't broly would skyrocket past gogeta powerlevel and become an even bigger threat.

"So summarizing again if vegito is a fraud for not winning/finishing his fights then so is gogeta. Also for not winning/finishing fights." If thats where you want to take this then sure both gogeta and vegito never won but vegito has 2 Ls while gogeta only has "1" so my goat still wins 🥱

[main ocean]

Where did the "No care defusing" come from? Did you actually read the series or not?

[main ocean]

Yeh because took them a while to make him actually canon is kinda crazy for a hype character😪

[torpid hamlet]

Gogeta technically came out before vegito ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[main ocean]

Yep and yet just one of them is canon which is super😪

Both a appeared twice in the series

Anyways back to the topic about "not caring about the time limit thing"

[torpid hamlet]

dont know why they didnt make him story canon only waited for him to be movie canon cuz hes that hype smh

[torpid hamlet]

thats just how he is

[main ocean]

If they made fusion reborn canon Vegeta basically gets erased😭

Glad that shit was NOT canon

[torpid hamlet]

true

that shit was sad tho

goated movie

you know what man I am done fighting. How about both of them are the goat?

I kinda like both

[main ocean]

Perhaps

Though he wasn't wasting his time limit

He was really trying his hardest to get absorbed it took an hour to finally make him

2nd- zamasu yeh the potaras couldn't handle it's powers