alucard familiar when???

[sonic galleon]

we should lowkey get a controllable unit that would be so much fun

[minor geyser]

St itches skin is tuff though so he gets a pass

[inland barn]

one day

[minor geyser]

There’s armin which is kinda fun to use but there’s not really any reason to use him outside of rifts

Yk what would be peak

Evangelion unit where u can transform into an eva

[proud stag]

Like a*td but not mid

[lofty scaffold]

that shiny is an investment

i promise

[rich schooner]

its jus sandbox

dw

[scenic spindle]

by like 1k but he is much cheaper too

[quick escarp]

is this not meant to be fixed @fossil shell

the ex in worldoinse?

wordllines?

worldlines

[magic yarrow]

go to his dms or something why you posting here 😭

[quick escarp]

no

[fossil shell]

Thats not the ex

Thats just act 3 with champs modifier

[quick escarp]

oh

thenks

[fossil obsidian]

terrible suggestion

[scenic spindle]

astdx update is decent

dunno why they took this long to add passives but whtver

[solemn lake]

I think that if he were given a familiar it should be one that expands his support capabilites: Inflict diseased (only one unobtainable unit applies it rn), maybe cleave too and gives alucard more range or less spa (only AV familiar reduces SPA rn)

[scenic spindle]

v

[scenic spindle]

h

[scenic spindle]

2 corruption ones in a row

I was like damn my luck bad

then I realized its that boosted event on rn

PLEASE corruption 3

got it

[scenic spindle]

would this be better for broly

range is so low for him on placement

[inland barn]

think my next suggestion is an alucard nerf 🥹

[ebon lava]

alucard needs a familiar

[light bridge]

fuck alucard

drop the diavolo familiar

( I dont have alucard)

[scenic spindle]

why are there genuinely people who would give up on 200 rrs tog et tengen familiar

like r u stupid

[scenic spindle]

400 rrs

[light bridge]

rrs aint that serious

[scenic spindle]

who else to rr on

lowkey might try gilg

since he getting a familiar

[light bridge]

cap

diavolos getting ti

it

confirmed btw

[untold bluff]

he's sukuna upscale

so I want him

[scenic spindle]

upscale?

how does he make sukuna better btw is it cuz burn

[untold bluff]

sukuna gets the flame element buff once he gets flame element

u don't even need to place him after

he just gets it once u reach the flame arrow upgrade

so sukuna has a 60% dmg buff effectively making him immune to energy drain and he gets to capitalize off scorch

and they buff each other since flame units give each other slight dmg buffs

it's def not his best setup but tengen + sukuna + kaguya is probably a demon trio

[scenic spindle]

that dumbass 1% is so dumb nobody using that shit

worse for monarch users

[untold bluff]

did u read anything else

[scenic spindle]

yeah I see it

valid

[untold bluff]

yea but I can see why ppl would want rrs over that

i am probably also going to just get the rrs and get tengen later

[scenic spindle]

maybe its cuz familiar units r good in tourneys rn

[untold bluff]

once his event is permanent

but I'll decide later since u still get 100 rrs if u decide to get the familiar and this game has blessed me with sub 400 monarchs usually

[plucky garnet]

gojo is god awful

sukuna is the best unit in the game

tengen sucks ass

[untold bluff]

gojo is an inf lb merchant

tengen is a sukuna support merchant

[light bridge]

he upscales sukuna twice

[untold bluff]

sukuna is a goat

[light bridge]

scorched + familiar passive

[untold bluff]

once sukuna falls off so will ltengen

[light bridge]

50% damage buff

[untold bluff]

gojo was meta for like a day until they dropped sukuna

[scenic spindle]

by you?

[light bridge]

also upscaleses kaguya by the same amount

[light bridge]

uhhh

[untold bluff]

true

[light bridge]

cya

[scenic spindle]

his range is so ass

[untold bluff]

oh NVM u can't apply scored and wounded at the same time

this unit sucks

[scenic spindle]

they needa add range to his kit some how

[light bridge]

[untold bluff]

I assume it's the same for cleave then

no cleave + wounded

which guts sukuna

[light bridge]

cleave and scorched aint the same

[untold bluff]

so idk if they are. a good pairing

[light bridge]

scorched buffs burn units

not burn damage

[untold bluff]

wdym

[light bridge]

oh sorry

scorched buffs

fire units

not the DOT

[untold bluff]

ohhhhh

that's nutty wtf

can u check for me if scorched and cleave stack

[light bridge]

cleave is only for bleed dot so it should

ion see reason for it not to

[untold bluff]

I just assumed cuz wounded doesn't stack

but that's prob cuz they don't want fire units getting a 40% dmg buff

off of 2 full aoes

[minor geyser]

cleave is so ass ngl

unless they add a unit with like 50% or more bleed dmg its useless

[untold bluff]

sukuna can't followup unless he applies cleave

[solemn lake]

They've added at least 4 different flame debuffs while bleed hasn't seen anything since the JJK update

Burn, Intense Burn, Frostburn, Purgatory Flames, Scorched, Black Flames (and most of them stack)

Bleed gets cleave and it doesn't even stack

Diseased, Wounded, Bubbled

[solemn lake]

My idea for the familiar should be to expand his support cappabilities (I'm not a balancer so the values could fluctuate):

· Third Eye/Mist Body: Gain 100% dodge chance & Staus Effect/Debuff immunity

· Soul Absorbtion: Whenever this unit kills an enemy, gains 0.5% dmg buff, alongside a 0.1% range buff, this buff resets once this unit attacks

· Familiar control: Every 10 takedowns this unit will spawn a ghoul equal to 75% of this unit's damage, this summon will apply Diseased & Rupture on impact with an enemy

[minor geyser]

ig the reason they give burn so much love is cause it's the worse dot so they have to add extra stuff to make it worth using, bleed at least cancels out regen but burn is just delayed damage

still wish cleave was better

a 30% bleed becomes a 36% bleed with cleave applied

so useless

[scenic spindle]

They should just make burn go through shields

Like do 25 percent of damage through burn on shielded enemies or sumn

I know this is dead now that escanor is out but it should’ve been in game

[fossil obsidian]

thought this was a terrible suggestion then i pulled alucard and got monarch on him in the same day, man i js wanted marksman

[scenic spindle]

i got monarch on him in 20 pulls

hes good now with monarch but if you got copies you can use those for support

[untold bluff]

same thing happened to me

he's still decent with monarch tho

now that his bleed is basically rupture

[fossil obsidian]

Ye ig

[thick badger]

there'd be real point ngl

[scenic spindle]

He

[scenic spindle]

lol

[scenic spindle]

g

[scenic spindle]

H

[ebon lava]

this video is so true btw

old astd was way better

things that could definitely be improved upon

then astd:x sends us back to square one

[scenic spindle]

Hell no

The thing about the video is that he says that old astd is nostalgic not good

Dunno how you missed that disclaimer

He says they could bring back old systems from astd to improve the game like improved farms and better coop

[scenic spindle]

corruption 3 please

monarch vegito going for deadeye.

give him a familiar

[untold bluff]

same here man

[untold bluff]

gilg looks insane man

autoexecute on boss enemies is gonna be insane

nvm fake ss

[scenic spindle]

damn

[untold bluff]

unlike the tengen familiar we prob have to wait for the gilg familiar

[scenic spindle]

wth

[untold bluff]

astolfo

[scenic spindle]

so bored im doing old maps that gave me trauma

map took me 10 mins now its 5

[sudden hamlet]

ngl

how did some of yall have trauma with sbr

[scenic spindle]

sturdy

[sudden hamlet]

when just a scholar julius can no dif

[scenic spindle]

and the crazy stuns

[sudden hamlet]

hmm

[thick badger]

THATS FAKE DONT BELIEVE IT I MADE IT

[simple fossil]

familiar should add repluse + slow + buffs every unit by 25%

[scenic spindle]

even if it rolls bad I'll still accept it

[scenic spindle]

h

[scenic spindle]

h

[scenic spindle]

Type soul server is cooked

[haughty phoenix]

No alucard familiar because i don't have him even after 2million gems

[zealous depot]

No it was better

Sukuna 7 star + gojo 7 star

Those who knows

[scenic spindle]

nostalgia doesnt mean better

you even make a remark thats just nostalgia

those who knows

[zealous depot]

It had more content , they could have added more to it

There could have been real lb system

And the dungeon gm

[scenic spindle]

ofc it had more content its been out longer

[zealous depot]

Yes thats why it could have been better

[woeful gull]

Please

Please

Blacklist this man

Why do you want a meta support to be meta even more

[thick badger]

they dont think hes meta which is weird

🥀

[woeful gull]

Welcome to the smartest Roblox community

They probably voted for dio oh

[thick badger]

i like tried to make one but it was so hard

hes super good and i didnt want to overtune him

[haughty phoenix]

most people don't look at his support capabilities and only look at dps which is dumb as hell

[woeful gull]

Ima spread this on TikTok calling it a data-mind so it can create hype and I get easy views

[haughty phoenix]

this is very balanced i like 👍

[thick badger]

please no

[scenic spindle]

is old as shit and deserves one. this doesnt mean anything btw old units like vegeta and sjw have been given new life with vangaurd evolutions not to mention update 1 units like gojo and sukuna getting familiars and coming back into new meta for dps and support

theres no rules anymore to unit buffs

so why do yall hate alucard

[thick badger]

yeah but vegeta was super super bad

[scenic spindle]

150% damage increase is too low

[thick badger]

they're only giving vfs to bad units

you realize that right

go look at both the polls

[scenic spindle]

he soloed the game btw

like

[thick badger]

are we really saying ssj vegeta was good in update 8.0

[scenic spindle]

he was on top of meta they even give him out for free to new players

[thick badger]

nobody said that

hes already really good

just because he doesnt deal dmg doesnt mean anything

hes still the #2 support unit

[scenic spindle]

number 2 support

[thick badger]

yeah go look on the tl

[scenic spindle]

with units like griffith and the smith

[fossil obsidian]

i want alucard to have a familiar but theres no way in keeping that balanced

[scenic spindle]

shutup you capper

[thick badger]

smith is under him

go look at the tl if you dont believe me 💔

[fossil obsidian]

alucard makes units do 20 percent more dmg, if a unit does 200k with a 2x dmg buff alucard makes them do 240k but if it was a normal 20% buff it would be 220k\

[scenic spindle]

also the 150% you gave him is so small wtf

they gave sukuna a 250% buff but an update 0 unit you give like half of that

[fossil obsidian]

bc alucards a rlly good support so making him a busted dps isnt balanced

[scenic spindle]

with units like kaguya you'd think people wouldnt say shit like this

the game has expanded

units are busted

[fossil obsidian]

kaguyas better for shorter waves not longer waves

[scenic spindle]

anything u can imagine on alucard wouldnt break the game btw

[fossil obsidian]

listen man alucards an infinite unit and if you dont do infinite then boohoo

[scenic spindle]

im talking about the units concept and mechanics

like what can alucard get that would surpass what we've seen from any vangaurd

[thick badger]

because hes a support, not a dps

thats why hes timeless

[scenic spindle]

150% is like 20k dps with monarch 💀

[fossil obsidian]

ty

[fossil obsidian]

looking at the dps on a support unit

ur bright

[scenic spindle]

hes a support that cost 100k btw

[thick badger]

you think he wouldnt be #2 on the tl for supports but he is

💔

alucard is really good

because hes a good support

if you really wanted more proof just look at their polls, do you see alucard on any of them

either hes not going to get one or they already have something planned for halloween

im not trying to put you down or anything, you just gotta look a little harder at what they're posting and they're logic for past vanguard familiars

tengen gojo and sukuna were all off of the tl

[scenic spindle]

why would I ask for an alucard familiar and have them still keep him at support status

[woeful gull]

You type to fast

[thick badger]

because thats what makes him timeless

if he was a dps merchant then he'd fall off

[fossil obsidian]

and he provides one of the best buffs

[scenic spindle]

cuz they arent supports like alucard duh

[scenic spindle]

okay?

[thick badger]

they were off of the tl, also gojo was

[fossil obsidian]

so the 100k is worth it

[thick badger]

gojo's main point was his timestop

💔

[fossil obsidian]

alucard does a true 20% buff, what other unit does a true buff and is full aoe with crazy rng

[scenic spindle]

he does 11k dps with monarch 100k cost you thinks its good? why wouldnt you want a dps increase

[scenic spindle]

griffith does 40%

[fossil obsidian]

because hes not a fucking dps unit man

[scenic spindle]

yeah no shit

[fossil obsidian]

40% isnt true though

[scenic spindle]

wym true

[fossil obsidian]

[scenic spindle]

doesnt griffith also go through like

he allows u to bypass sturdy or sum shit

[fossil obsidian]

no idiot

20% more dmg applying to the current dmg rather than base dmg

his buff is the only one that isnt based off of base dmg

a true buff

[scenic spindle]

look at how you move the fucking goalpost

lol

[fossil obsidian]

?

[scenic spindle]

I showed u a bigger number but u instantly blocked it

[fossil obsidian]

yea bc ur argument was invalid

[scenic spindle]

yeah ok

[fossil obsidian]

griffith doesnt do a true buff

alucard does

huge difference

listen man you dont even know what a true buff is

[scenic spindle]

yeah he does this also

so its like 60%

[fossil obsidian]

thats assuming they have dmg reduction

lol

[scenic spindle]

yeah

bro you just did it again

another goal post move

[fossil obsidian]

disprove your point?

yea i did

[scenic spindle]

I show you that griffith gives more damage buff and a removes 20% DAMAGE reduction but ur still clinging to alucards 20% plain damage buff

ur a clown

[fossil obsidian]

pea brain

only way to describe you

[thick badger]

goku i dont think your understanding gng

hes not gonna get a familiar because hes the 2nd best support

how are you arguing against the tl made by all of the testers + on their official website

[scenic spindle]

hes an update zero vangaurd rarity secret he deserves one so help me god

[thick badger]

he deserves one how tho, hes the 2nd best in the support category

[fossil obsidian]

hes not out of meta so hes not getting one

simple as that

[thick badger]

hes not out of meta

[scenic spindle]

straight to insults cuz ur a mosquito with no wings

[thick badger]

you insulted him first

💔

[scenic spindle]

we need to say meta support when we say that okay

[fossil obsidian]

straight to insults as if i didnt js dissprove your points and then you insult me

[scenic spindle]

when

[fossil obsidian]

.

[thick badger]

. not a hard insult but neither is what he said

doesnt matter really

[scenic spindle]

lol

okay

[thick badger]

meta still includes supports btw

like what

"meta" support but hes not meta

that doesnt make sense

[fossil obsidian]

its not my fault u didnt understand what a true buff is

[scenic spindle]

see

another goalpost shift

"you hurt my feelings by insulting me first" * shows him insulting first * "bruh idc its not my fault you dont understand what a true buff is"

[fossil obsidian]

it wasnt rlly an insult tbf

[scenic spindle]

another one

we are now changing the meaning of an insult

[fossil obsidian]

mf your calling me making a point or countering your point a goalpost shift or wtv ur sayin

[scenic spindle]

but this guy was butt hurt at being called a clown

[fossil obsidian]

im not..?

[fossil obsidian]

how 😭😭😭😭

genuinely how

[scenic spindle]

you pinged me with a .

[fossil obsidian]

atp ur ragebaiting

[fossil obsidian]

bc u asked when u insulted me

so i showed u

[scenic spindle]

first**

anyways

[fossil obsidian]

caroline isnt an insulty

insult

but wtv u say

[scenic spindle]

15k with full buffs

[fossil obsidian]

oh my, a meta support isnt a meta dps

whatever will we do

[scenic spindle]

hes an update zero unit I dont expect to keep up with dps

which is why i say he needs a familiar

[fossil obsidian]

he centered to be a timeless unit and not rely on dps

[scenic spindle]

to make his premium cost of being vangaurd rarity worth more

[fossil obsidian]

i mean tbf hes required in infinite runs

[scenic spindle]

wow infinite

so fun

[fossil obsidian]

ur playing a td game expecting true fun

thats ur first issue

[fossil obsidian]

i mean am i wrong

td games r js dopamine from gambling and big numbers

[scenic spindle]

look at the situation rn

this whole convo doesnt matter

[fossil obsidian]

welp either way alucard being a meta support means him getting a familiar to make him a meta dps wont happen

[scenic spindle]

the devs are looking to give us content for the month long wait for update 9 everyone is getting voted on rn even old and limited units

[fossil obsidian]

theres no other unit in the game that does a 20% buff that isnt based on base dmg

[scenic spindle]

griffith 40%

[fossil obsidian]

based on base dmg

[scenic spindle]

that means nothing

still 40% in range

for free

griffith is free btw

[fossil obsidian]

...?

how does it mean nothjing

[scenic spindle]

free max upgrade

he has cc

[fossil obsidian]

it litteraly provides so much value to units like escanor, broly, any self buff

escanor tends to have around a +300% dmg buff making alucard 20% true buff into a 80% buff or so

[scenic spindle]

huh

[fossil obsidian]

omfl is it so hard to understand how it works

[woeful gull]

@scenic spindle explain why u think alu deserves a familiar before gogeta or dia

[fossil obsidian]

escanor has a 3x buff making it a 400% total buff

20% to the 400%

is 80%

[scenic spindle]

ok

[fossil obsidian]

so the 20% is really a 80%

[scenic spindle]

He's vangaurd rarity without being a vangaurd.

He's expensive 100k, his damage is shit for that and is outdamage by cha-in and choso which are much cheaper.

Units from update 0 like vegeta and vsjw have gotten vangaurd evolutions bringing back into meta greatly, not to mention upd .5 and 1 units like tengen gojo sukuna gettings familiars that have dropped them into broken tier.(so there should be no reason people are against a familiar).

He's for some reason very protected. The community is against him receiving anything new, do you remember that recently he got higher bleed sustain? Before that I remember talking to people about how alucard handles bleeding units worse than choso and they told me increasing his bleeding sustain would break the game.

He's the goat and my first monarch for a while so I've used him and understand him well I want better but I've moved on with more monarchs I've obtained.

[woeful gull]

[scenic spindle]

bro was never gonna read it

fuck you

[fossil obsidian]

hes not a vanguard bc when he was in the game vanguards didnt existed, hes outdamaged by basic units because he was meant to be a timeless support not a timeless dps, monarch is outdated on him go get marksman buddy

[scenic spindle]

okay so do you think 40 is higher than 20. so by that logic 400% INTO 40 is like 160% no?

[fossil obsidian]

the 40% isnt a true buff

alucards 20% is a true buff

[pine parcel]

👍

[scenic spindle]

what the hell is true buff

[fossil obsidian]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THIS MAN WHAT A TRUE BUFF IS BC HE CANT UNDERSTAND BASIC FUCKING TERMS

[pine parcel]

please buff alucard to do a gazillion damage on top of his free 20% damage buff + bleed

[thick badger]

I mean yeah, his damage is bad, but he’s not supposed to be a damage dealer or a monarch reliant unit

he’s a support, and he’s very good at supporting/being his niche, so much so he’s the #2 unit

are their supports + damage amplifiers better than him? Sure, I’d say Griffith gives more, and that Newsman is better, but they fulfill different niches (Griffith can’t apply bleed, Newsman can’t either, Alucard’s +20% dmg is much more consistent, you don’t need to replace units or wait to place them for Alucard unlike Griffith)

[pine parcel]

pleaseee

[fossil obsidian]

INSTEAD OF BUFFING THE BASE FUCKING DAMAGE OF A UNIT IT BUFFS IT OVERALL

HOW MUCH MORE DO I HAVE TO SAY IT

HIS BUFF ISNT BASED OFF BASE DMG

[scenic spindle]

one hes three placement so hes good with monarch

[fossil obsidian]

ITS BASED OFF OF THE UNITS DMG

[scenic spindle]

huh

[fossil obsidian]

marksman is better bc hes a support so he needs more rng

[pine parcel]

support unit with monarch

[fossil obsidian]

hes not a dps so monarch isnt good on him

[pine parcel]

[scenic spindle]

hes still good with it especially since he got higher sustain now

[pine parcel]

alucard has been meta for too long

can we nerf him

[woeful gull]

Ok
Alucard is he used for anything
Sjw was he used for anything
Vegeta was he used for anything
Gogeta is he used for anything
Cha in is she use being used
Tengen was he being used
Answer this

[scenic spindle]

plus monarch alucard carried me in tournaments

[sick rivet]

alu best trait mon

and guts is de cus inf crit damage dps

[pine parcel]

[thick badger]

he’s not good with monarch since monarch is purely dps based, he’s a support as we’ve been saying

[fossil obsidian]

lowkkkkk

buff haruka 🔥🔥

[scenic spindle]

you've been saying he's meta but you never add meta support to it.

[fossil obsidian]

meta support is still meta

believe it or not

[scenic spindle]

I used him for dps sue me I got monarch on him in 20 rolls

[woeful gull]

Why should a unit in meta be buffed

Answer

At least

[scenic spindle]

meta support*

[fossil obsidian]

well hes no longer a unit used for dps

[woeful gull]

Why should a meta support be buffed

[thick badger]

I’ve called him a meta support a lot man

[thick badger]

.

[thick badger]

.

[scenic spindle]

he's vangaurd rarity. and hes the only banner secret

okay?

[thick badger]

[scenic spindle]

and he cost 100k to max

[fossil obsidian]

hes still meta support

[thick badger]

do I need to continue

[woeful gull]

Why should he get a familiar before gogeta

Omg

My phone

[scenic spindle]

when did I say that

I said he deserves one too

[thick badger]

you didn’t answer his question tho, why should the second best support unit get a familiar when he’s already in the meta

[fossil obsidian]

hes asking you to give him good undisputable points on why alucard should get one before gogeta

[scenic spindle]

bro there are people who've played since release and dont have him. im not having this convo

[thick badger]

it doesn’t matter if he’s rare, the 0.0005% rigged dice item only guarantees c3/4

[thick badger]

you didn’t answer my question either

[woeful gull]

So if he’s dps is mid why are you maxing him out

[fossil obsidian]

ur point being?

[woeful gull]

He’s a cheap full aoe support

[scenic spindle]

for his full aoe at max range

[fossil obsidian]

he gets full aoe before max

[woeful gull]

U don’t need max range

????

[fossil obsidian]

did u ever fucking use alucard

[woeful gull]

He also gets full aoe

Upgrade 3

So

[scenic spindle]

max range you bug

[fossil obsidian]

js use marksman with a good birb range

dumbass

[scenic spindle]

your so stupid it hurts

[woeful gull]

If he’s a cheap full aoe with great range with bleed and wounded why should he be buffed

[fossil obsidian]

how

no tell me how

marksman with a good birb range is reliable enough to not need to max him out

your dumbass cant even understand the concept of a true buff

[scenic spindle]

this isnt a real arguement

idc about the trait

[woeful gull]

Answer my question

[fossil obsidian]

how..?

[scenic spindle]

he still deserves a familiar

[fossil obsidian]

yes make a meta support unit a meta dps and a meta support 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[haughty phoenix]

i dont have him so don't give him familiar

[scenic spindle]

sjw got a vangaurd evolution. 3 units from .5 and 1 got a familiar that but them in broken tier. so theres that idc anymore

[fossil obsidian]

sjw became unuseable and deserved it and so did every other unit that got a vanguard or vf

alucard is still useable

[scenic spindle]

even gilgamesh bro he got an insane dps on release hes getting a familiar

[scenic spindle]

your just making excuses now

[scenic spindle]

cuz hes a support....

[fossil obsidian]

..? how

[fossil obsidian]

see your gettin it

[woeful gull]

Sjw was not viable
Vegeta was not viable
Tengen was not viable
Gojo was mid
Sukuna was not viable
Gilga was not viable
Notice how no one used these units

But alucard still is being used to this day in almost everything

[fossil obsidian]

"making excuses" when i js said the truth

[scenic spindle]

they were all dpses if they had something good that allowed them to stay relevant in support they'd be in it

[scenic spindle]

okay explain gogeta in talks to get a familiar

[fossil obsidian]

well they didnt have anything to keep them relevant or good, unlike alucard

[fossil obsidian]

gogeta fell out of meta and is unviable, hes very mediocre now and relies on kaguya (an unobt unit) to remain decent.

[woeful gull]

Notice how alucard is a support and is not a dps

[haughty phoenix]

untill i obtain alocard no vanguard for him untill then

[scenic spindle]

sukuna also got higher bleed sustain so he was being used with alucard hes even better rn with his familiar than alucard and cheaper full aoe

[woeful gull]

Gogeta is trash because he cost to much and has a shitty cone

[fossil obsidian]

dudeeee i want shiny cid so bad

[woeful gull]

You had 0 reason to pick sukuna over alucard

[fossil obsidian]

once again comparing ALUCARD (A SUPPORT UNIT) in terms of dps 😔😔

[scenic spindle]

never said anything dps related

[woeful gull]

@scenic spindle please let me know why u think a meta support should get a fam to make it even more meta

[fossil obsidian]

well you have to be bc ur saying sukunas better than alucard but sukunas only a better dps, alucards a better buffer by miles

[scenic spindle]

meta as in? oh meta support okay good. he's vangaurd rarity he's expensive and theres more varied support I wont deny alucard is good as a support but that doesnt mean anything. everyone rn is getting familiars this doesnt matter at all

[fossil obsidian]

evry1 whos getting a familiar is getting one bc they fell off and become unviable

alucards still viable

[scenic spindle]

unviable in damage yes?

why are we comparing dpses to a support smh

[fossil obsidian]

unviable in their main use

[fossil obsidian]

because its what you want to do lol

[sonic galleon]

i could name like 30 units that deserve a vfs before alucard even gets into the picture

[fossil obsidian]

rengoku deserves one more

hell even fuckin haruka deserves one more

igris deserves one

[haughty phoenix]

just grind for birbs the world will give you shiny cid instead

[sonic galleon]

i dont like the idea of limiteds getting vfs but sure

[fossil obsidian]

im grindin for shiny cid and birbs

[haughty phoenix]

but bruh alocard lowkey is not gonna get an vanguard familiar

[scenic spindle]

alucard was the og vangaurd basically. hes just not limited now why dont you make a suggestion for those 30 instead of talking here

[haughty phoenix]

he does NOT need one

[fossil obsidian]

i dont want him to bc i got rid of my rengoku to vsjw but he still deserves one

[scenic spindle]

rengoku was ass on release

lol

[fossil obsidian]

exactly

he deserves one

[scenic spindle]

hell no

bro think about it too

[fossil obsidian]

he never was viable and he deserves one to make up for how dissapointing he was

[sonic galleon]

because vfs are quite a bad idea- i dont really like their concept but thats whole other discussion- i am saying that theirs units that arent even meta that deserve it more- alucard is still META that doesnt change from support nor dps

[woeful gull]

So he’s a support that cost about 10k to get full aoe with 33 range so there is no point to max him out. He applies wounded making units do 20% more damage and he applies bleed

If he gets a familiar there will be a support that is full aoe does good damage and applies bleed and wounded and has summons

Do you think this is balanced

[fossil obsidian]

boutros whatchu think abt a haruka buff 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[woeful gull]

Fire

40% dmg buff and 20% range buff

[fossil obsidian]

fr

[woeful gull]

And farms money

[fossil obsidian]

she deserves it

[fossil obsidian]

and does 2m dps

on placement

[woeful gull]

Sounds fair

[scenic spindle]

16k full aoe. and what the fuck are you talking about balanced bro theres a unit; and Idk if you know this, theres a unit in game that burns your whole team and you can place him for free and solo the game! he even auto upgrades

[fossil obsidian]

would probaly be more balanced than alucard getting a familiar

[scenic spindle]

theres so much shit rn idk why yall would clutch your pearls over this

[woeful gull]

Wow he burns your team and his main point is to be a dos

[fossil obsidian]

alucards an infinite unit designed to be timeless for COMP, so if ur not comp then whine and cry all u want

[woeful gull]

Alucard was made to be a support

[sonic galleon]

tbh i would agree w a alucard buff if wounded wasnt such a scarce effect- but that isnt the case a free 20 percent damage boost is pretty insane

[scenic spindle]

bleed dont even matter anymore we have broly a upgrade 0 rupture unit

[woeful gull]

Why should a support do damage

[woeful gull]

Why should a support do damage

[fossil obsidian]

boutros bless me with salter luck

[woeful gull]

Fun no

[fossil obsidian]

man fuck you

[woeful gull]

Trash ass unit

[scenic spindle]

because hes vangaurd rarity and costs more than other units that do more damage than him. this is my last answer ask this question again im blocking bro

[fossil obsidian]

js want her for the fate thing

[woeful gull]

He’s a support vanguard no need for to do dmg and he also cost 14k for full aoe

✌️

[scenic spindle]

vangaurds have expanded the games concepts of crazy units how would a alucard vf do anything you havent see.

[scenic spindle]

you didnt read shit bro

[sonic galleon]

his not vanguard rarity- what makes a unit vanguard are its obtainment method such as broly and sjw or limited time banner like kaguya and escanor- alucard is a secret because his permanent and doesnt have a evolution quest

[fossil obsidian]

a unit that 20% true buff while only being 100k to max with insane dps plus bleed full aoe with summons

[fossil obsidian]

ntm will get upscaled by broly

sounds balanced?

[astral coyote]

lets not lie and say alucard has good dps

[fossil obsidian]

never said he did

im saying thats what he wants

thats what would break the game

im explaining how an alucard vf would be busted

[scenic spindle]

he's even rarer than a banner vangaurd 0.004 or sum instead of 0.005

[astral coyote]

hes still t1 supp ngl

he hasnt fallen off

[fossil obsidian]

nobody said he wasnt rarer but hes permanent

[woeful gull]

He’s like a top 3 support unit so he’s rarity match’s his usage

If he does get a familiar it would be buffing his wounded or buffing his damage

There is no need for this game to have a support that has wounded and does damage as there is no support that supports and does damage

[scenic spindle]

is wounded that crazy of a buff

feel like im missing something

[astral coyote]

bro its like you crit again

[woeful gull]

Free perma 20% dmg

[fossil obsidian]

you are

[woeful gull]

For the cost of 14k

[astral coyote]

wounded is basically 100% crit rate with base crit dmg

[woeful gull]

Yes

Ty floof

[fossil obsidian]

if a unit has 2x dmg then a 20% buff will only make the unit do 10% more of its current shown dmg stat, but the true buff makes it 40%

[scenic spindle]

huh

[sonic galleon]

if you are gonna ignore everything i say theirs no point in arguing😭

[woeful gull]

Crit dmg is 20%

[fossil obsidian]

way better than i was explaining it tbh

[astral coyote]

hes the og broky but he doesnt need domain and it works on everyone

and it lasts forever

[scenic spindle]

okay 20% damage buff so what? its good but like idk

[fossil obsidian]

the 20% isnt base dmg

[astral coyote]

so if its not allat y people be tripping over broly domain buff

[fossil obsidian]

thats whats sets him apart

[astral coyote]

he is literally broly domain buff

but forever

[scenic spindle]

I even brought up griffith and @fossil obsidian said its not true buff whatever that means

[astral coyote]

and for all units

bros never gonna be comp

oh brother

[fossil obsidian]

bc griffith isnt a true buff

floof does griff true buff?

[astral coyote]

no hes an additive

[wild robin]

yes bro

goku f tier

[woeful gull]

It’s a free perma 20%
It’s like giving a unit 100% rate
Since crit dmg is 20%

[astral coyote]

he multiplicative buffs himself

[wild robin]

suggestions user

[fossil obsidian]

EXACTLY

[astral coyote]

on slowed enemies

[woeful gull]

He’s a support
That buffs your main dps

[astral coyote]

bro goku

[scenic spindle]

148 stars but okay

[astral coyote]

this is what alucard does

let me show you

[wild robin]

bros mad he’s in f tier

gg

[astral coyote]

10000 * 1.5

thats with a 50% dmg buff

you add alucard

10000 * 1.5 * 1.2

if you add crit

10000 * 1.5 * 1.2 * 1.25

[scenic spindle]

its your own bum ass tier so I dont think I care

[wild robin]

it’s like a common sense thing tho that most ppl want

[woeful gull]

🥹 the goat

[wild robin]

this isn’t some crazy novel suggestion

[astral coyote]

if alucard was a 20% dmg buff like ur thinking

[wild robin]

oh no he’s a widdle mad

[astral coyote]

it would be 10000 * 1.7

which is not the same as 10000 * 1.5 * 1.2

[fossil obsidian]

lets say a unit does 10 dmg, you buff it by 40% with griffith
the unit now does 14 dmg, you add 20% buff from anything that isnt alucard, its 16, but alucards true 20% makes it add 20% of 14 instead of the base dmg of 10 making it do around 16.8

[astral coyote]

wtf r u saying

[scenic spindle]

this shit just turned into a group glazing thing

whatever

I won

gbye

[astral coyote]

bro ur just dumb

[wild robin]

blud won

[astral coyote]

we need to ban all stupid people ever

[fossil obsidian]

lowk delete alucard from the game 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

and make haruka the best unit

and eviscerate escanor

[scenic spindle]

what

[fossil obsidian]

what abt what i said is confusing?

[sonic galleon]

[scenic spindle]

bro

[fossil obsidian]

exactly

enemies take 20% more dmg

[scenic spindle]

yes

[fossil obsidian]

instead of str8 up buffing the unit

[wild robin]

what’s the issue

[fossil obsidian]

it debuffs the enemies

[wild robin]

that’s a very good dmg buff

[scenic spindle]

ok

[fossil obsidian]

yo feh, your smart, was my explanation wrong?

[wild robin]

idk

[astral coyote]

shit explanation

[fossil obsidian]

but was it wrong?

[scenic spindle]

it makes no sense

[astral coyote]

shit explanation

[fossil obsidian]

but was it wrong tho

[astral coyote]

its bad bc its a shit explanation

[scenic spindle]

you said he gave 80% now ur saying he gives 68% dmg buff

[astral coyote]

just show the math problem bro

just show the equatioj

[fossil obsidian]

he cant understand matht ho

math tho

[astral coyote]

ur explanation was so shit

[wild robin]

bro learn how to read

pls

[scenic spindle]

you legit said i dont know when he asked you if his explanation is okay

[thick badger]

stars don’t mean a lot ngl

[scenic spindle]

yes they do

[celest fossil]

stars mean nothing lol

[wild robin]

i don’t feel like explaining basic math

go to school

[thick badger]

for like getting a suggestion added?

or

[celest fossil]

my suggestion that didnt hit spotlight got added

[scenic spindle]

if it was 148 X emojis you wouldnt say this

[scenic spindle]

for community support mostly

[wild robin]

goku gotta be the smartest

[wild robin]

doesn’t mean it’s getting added

in fact it might be the opposite

[woeful gull]

What do u want from a alucard vf?

[thick badger]

this hit 604

[wild robin]

since the community is filled with speds

[scenic spindle]

we have at least a month till upd 9 its getting added at some point

[wild robin]

bro

a month💀

can’t be serious

[scenic spindle]

yes bro

[astral coyote]

goku this is why alucard is good
1000000 * 1.5 * 1.2 * 1.25 = 2250000 (with alucard)

1000000 * 1.7 * 1.2 * 1.25 = 2125000 (with 20% dmg buffer instead)

alucard's number is bigger by 125k

[fossil obsidian]

With griffith:
10(1.4)=14
With a unit that buffs by 20% and griffith
10(1.4+0.2)=16
With alucard and griffith
10(1.4)(1.2)=16.8

[astral coyote]

this is very simple to understand

[scenic spindle]

you dont see the dmca shit as affect dev time?

[astral coyote]

alucard number bigger

goku this is why alucard is good
1000000 * 1.5 * 1.2 * 1.25 = 2250000 (with alucard)

1000000 * 1.7 * 1.2 * 1.25 = 2125000 (with 20% dmg buffer instead)

alucard's number is bigger by 125k

big number

[woeful gull]

I don’t think he can understand simple math

[astral coyote]

you understand now?

[fossil obsidian]

is this better floof?

[astral coyote]

the number is bigger?

the number is bigger

[wild robin]

they rolling out the remodels slowly so no not too much

[astral coyote]

so alucard is better than a normal buffer. because the number is bigger

[wild robin]

also modeling isn’t what take share longest dev time

[astral coyote]

bigger number = better

[scenic spindle]

this makes no sense how is 20% now 28%

[astral coyote]

you get it?

[wild robin]

it’s scripting usually

[coarse fractal]

please respect borutos

[woeful gull]

[fossil obsidian]

look at the equation

please

[woeful gull]

[coarse fractal]

you don’t understand what power keyholder has..

[scenic spindle]

they said they had to change 2 units in anni update

[woeful gull]

[fossil obsidian]

alucard multiplies instead of adds like every other buff

[coarse fractal]

he will ban us all

[wild robin]

no bro

12

[scenic spindle]

explain it

[wild robin]

😭

[astral coyote]

[wild robin]

ur better off asking chatgpt

no troll

[astral coyote]

alucard multiplies buffers bro

other buffers only add to each other

[woeful gull]

There’s Notting to expain😭

[astral coyote]

multiplying is better than adding

[woeful gull]

Bro ask ChatGPT atp

[coarse fractal]

fr?

[astral coyote]

genuinely you learn this in like 2nd grade

[fossil obsidian]

floof please tell me this time it wasnt me

[astral coyote]

av math is not hard its literally just multiplying

[woeful gull]

Your stupidness is to stupid for this game

[fossil obsidian]

i did the equation'

[astral coyote]

nah its not

bros dumb

[scenic spindle]

where does 28% come from

[astral coyote]

bro

[fossil obsidian]

With griffith:
10(1.4)=14
With a unit that buffs by 20% and griffith
10(1.4+0.2)=16
With alucard and griffith
10(1.4)(1.2)=16.8

[astral coyote]

alucard multiplies the buff

thats why its 28

[fossil obsidian]

the 0.2 is additive, the 1.2 is alucards buff bc its mutliplicitive

[wild robin]

lowkey a good explanation

[coarse fractal]

level of debate going on rn

[astral coyote]

holy brainless

[woeful gull]

Buff is getting multiplied

[astral coyote]

i see a career for this guy in the field of dumpster diving

[wild robin]

goku alt

[astral coyote]

a bright career

[wild robin]

[fossil obsidian]

think of it as alucard makes every buff 20% better

[woeful gull]

I see him in the streets begging for money

[fossil obsidian]

i dont know how other way ur thick skull can handle it

[woeful gull]

✌️

[fossil obsidian]

i cant simplify it more

alucard makes every buff 20% better

[coarse fractal]

what are they even arguing about

[astral coyote]

bro will not be able to count his pennies he is that bad at math

[coarse fractal]

he doesn’t understand alucard wounded?

[scenic spindle]

ic okay I get it now

[fossil obsidian]

YES

HE GETS IT

[coarse fractal]

bruh

[astral coyote]

w multiplication

boy id hate to be this guys teacher in school

[woeful gull]

[astral coyote]

think id quit

[woeful gull]

Alright, here’s the super simple version for a 2nd grader:

Imagine you have 1,000,000 candies 🍬
• If you use Alucard’s boost, you end up with 2,250,000 candies.
• If you use the other boost instead, you only get 2,125,000 candies.

That means Alucard gives you 125,000 MORE candies than the other boost.

So, Alucard is better because he gives you the bigger pile of candy 🎉

[fossil obsidian]

i thought all hope was lost

[woeful gull]

This help?

[astral coyote]

the more candies!

the more!

the bigger!

[woeful gull]

[astral coyote]

125.. thousand

MORE CANDIES?!?!

[fossil obsidian]

[woeful gull]

[coarse fractal]

how this related to a familiar tho.

[fossil obsidian]

I WANT CANDIES

[astral coyote]

wow. thats a lot of candies.

[woeful gull]

[astral coyote]

wow alucard is such a good guy thanks for giving me more candies

[scenic spindle]

idk

[astral coyote]

alucard strong enough

[fossil obsidian]

he didnt understand the difference between multiplicitive and additive so we had to explain it for half an hour and he still didnt understand so we simplified it down even more

[scenic spindle]

arguments always change up

[astral coyote]

he dont need one yet

its literally the same argument

ur saying hes too weak

we are saying hes not

ur not comprehending why we think hes strong

[woeful gull]

There is no need for a meta support to be buffed it’s just that simple

[astral coyote]

so we jsut showed you why

[scenic spindle]

strength as in support yes. strength as in strength nah

[astral coyote]

oh okay so like all the supports are bad and not worth using

got it

[woeful gull]

Yeah because he was made to be a support

[astral coyote]

thanks

let me know when you t12 anything

without a support

[coarse fractal]

they just be making people bro

[fossil obsidian]

a unit that makes every buff 20% better does not need to be a meta dps

[fossil obsidian]

fr gng

[scenic spindle]

he was sub dps for a while and dominated tourneys in damage

[astral coyote]

yeah he dont need to return to that level

[woeful gull]

[fossil obsidian]

hes made to be a timeless support not a timeless dps

[sonic galleon]

yes because a meta support also needs to be a dps support meta😭

[woeful gull]

[scenic spindle]

fell into the support role as he had cheap full aoe

[woeful gull]

[scenic spindle]

spam that shit bro your winning

[astral coyote]

guys.. lets give sukuna wounded!!!

[violet halo]

why u guys talking with the person who couldn't beat a rift with monarch vsjw

[coarse fractal]

in what update 0-1💔

[woeful gull]

This is because his dps got power creeped because his a support

[astral coyote]

guys i think we need to make sukuna apply bubbled on placement.

thats what hes saying.

[coarse fractal]

valk shaking in fear rn

[astral coyote]

he wants alucard back to that level of strength

[woeful gull]

And there 3 good full aoe units

[coarse fractal]

gonna steal his job

[astral coyote]

sukuna with bubbled with 14k yen.

sounds good.

[coarse fractal]

guys i have a unbound unit

let’s make it full aoe

and bleed!

[woeful gull]

Alucard tengen and that sjw unit

[sonic galleon]

no- he fell because wounded is such a scare effect- is wounded wasnt so rare to see in units then yeah myabe alucard should get a buff but that isnt the case

[coarse fractal]

that’s never been done before right

[scenic spindle]

show me ur monarchs again I wanna confirm something

[fossil obsidian]

the reason him being a good dps on release was balanced was bc there werent any buff units aside from haruka making it fair for him to be a good dps while making him make every buff better by 20%, now with there being a bunch of insane buff units alucards ability to make all buffs 20% better is more than enough so he doesnt need good dps

[woeful gull]

Don’t do it floof

[astral coyote]

i see why he wants a fam

[woeful gull]

[fossil obsidian]

so much fucking fodder

holy sht

so much fodder

[coarse fractal]

L flex but aight

[scenic spindle]

like 2 maybe

[astral coyote]

guys lets guess why he wants an alucard fam so he can be top dps

[fossil obsidian]

i see 4 maybe 5 good units

[astral coyote]

🤔

[violet halo]

you said that rifts were impossible without monarchs and when people show you proof of that not being the case you ignored them

[woeful gull]

U gonna ask for a rem vf next?

[astral coyote]

no lets get one of those i have rem

🤣

[violet halo]

and you lose with monarch vsjw

[fossil obsidian]

7-8

[scenic spindle]

lowkey shes kinda goated wouldnt mind

[coarse fractal]

i got a decent bit of fodder monarchs and i’m better then him

[violet halo]

and you made a whole ass suggestion asking for a nerf in rifts

[woeful gull]

[scenic spindle]

not my fault units age

[coarse fractal]

no sukuna or griffith

[scenic spindle]

plus I got top meta so im good

[coarse fractal]

pack it up

[astral coyote]

rifts are so easy you literally just place weather report and literally any unit 😭

[fossil obsidian]

you have fucking monarch medea

[astral coyote]

HEY

[woeful gull]

😭

[astral coyote]

DONT DISS MEDEA

[fossil obsidian]

mb mb

[woeful gull]

No way

[scenic spindle]

took me 4 rolls didnt try

[astral coyote]

SHES TOP 1 PVP UNIT

[scenic spindle]

if u see bad monarch they were free

[violet halo]

oh i miss that one

[fossil obsidian]

theres no fucking way

[coarse fractal]

[woeful gull]

She’s meta in inf 🤫

Ifykyk

[astral coyote]

facts my shiny medea is a star

[celest fossil]

allat and no griffith sukuna or yhwach

[coarse fractal]

what level are you in anime vanguards perchance.

[scenic spindle]

yhwach is dookie

[woeful gull]

Like

6

7

[scenic spindle]

sukuna is meh dont need

griffith is a 9 wave unit

[astral coyote]

bro get monarch sukuna thats the alucard vfam ur looking for

[scenic spindle]

he's dookie

[astral coyote]

im telling u right now

[coarse fractal]

top tier rage bait

[coarse fractal]

???

[astral coyote]

sukuna is literally the alu vfam u want

[coarse fractal]

you can pop him at wave 6

wdym

[scenic spindle]

I just dont need him

I'd use him for support only

[woeful gull]

No bro sukuna isn’t from hellsing Mann

[coarse fractal]

there’s a reason you suck at the game and at math

[astral coyote]

can we get alucard from castlevania

[coarse fractal]

please disabled your discord account

[woeful gull]

Fire shiny

[coarse fractal]

and pick up tutoring

[fossil obsidian]

floof im tryna get t12 lb, i have marksman al but idk what unit i should go for to get on t12 lb

[fossil obsidian]

what unit should i get for t12 infinite

[woeful gull]

It makes no sense

But

Fire shiny

[astral coyote]

ethereal cid

[scenic spindle]

I suck at the game cuz I dont want to get a flawed unit I know I wont use monarch?

[celest fossil]

eth cid eth tengen

[woeful gull]

Eth or blitz cid

[fossil obsidian]

alright, anything else?

[coarse fractal]

yeah

[astral coyote]

tengen, but wait until after gilg vfam drops bc tengen lowk might be replaced already

[coarse fractal]

you suck at the game because your missing a solid half of the meta

[astral coyote]

if gilg is better then go gilg

[woeful gull]

No

[celest fossil]

u suck at the game because u think he is flawed and u wont use him despite him being top 3

[fossil obsidian]

gilga vfam is dropped

[scenic spindle]

kaguya is good enough

escanor is good enough

[astral coyote]

we dont know if its better

[fossil obsidian]

from what ive seen hes a boss killer

[astral coyote]

he might be..

[fossil obsidian]

i saw sumn but could be fake

[astral coyote]

meta for 5 days

[fossil obsidian]

if i evo 10 units i can wish for it

[wild robin]

oh so we acc can’t do math

gg

[astral coyote]

😭

[celest fossil]

all the leaks are fake

[woeful gull]

Gilig isn’t gonna be used floof he’s aoes are trash his final aoe is acute

[scenic spindle]

show me ur monarchs rq

[fossil obsidian]

oh alright

[coarse fractal]

hold up

[thick badger]

https://tenor.com/view/yhwach-bleach-anime-tybw-turn-away-gif-27093611

[astral coyote]

execute with better dmg is fire

[celest fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[astral coyote]

also he will be for some maps

some maps the boss is the only problem really

[scenic spindle]

hes flawed yes. and the domain thing being a clash is another reason. dont get me wrong hes good but having to setup him up 2 times is kinda ass to me idk

[astral coyote]

they never get past the cone most of the time

[woeful gull]

I doubt it

[astral coyote]

with broly

[astral coyote]

i ran a map with that exact problem

[celest fossil]

3 times

[astral coyote]

i know at least one map gilg will be pretty good on

[woeful gull]

Gl twin

[astral coyote]

2 probably

the 2 i ran

i think he'll be used over tengen

[fossil obsidian]

im currently tryna get monarch griffith

[coarse fractal]

a have a few stinkers

[celest fossil]

calm down bro we dont even know what he does

[scenic spindle]

basically the same shit

[coarse fractal]

but i got most the main stuff

[scenic spindle]

lol

[fossil obsidian]

fire asf

[astral coyote]

if ur tryna run tourney or wl hes worth it otherwise he wont

[sonic galleon]

alligator

[astral coyote]

yeah thats why im saying to wait

[sonic galleon]

thats so cold

[astral coyote]

i think if he got a tengen level buff though

he would be over tengen

[violet halo]

bro he was meta for so long

[fossil obsidian]

will not be getting him then, thanks for the heads up

[coarse fractal]

you don’t have griffith and sukuna

[violet halo]

😭

[coarse fractal]

literally like

2 t3 units

wdym

[scenic spindle]

yeah cuz I dont want them monarch

[astral coyote]

yeah if u tryna do cas content theres no point hes too annoying to setup

[coarse fractal]

unironically one of my most used

[astral coyote]

where is your shiny monarch armin

[fossil obsidian]

katakuri and starrk exist man

[woeful gull]

🤫

[coarse fractal]

he’s cheap.

to place

[celest fossil]

shiny sukuna monarch will be mine tmrw after i spin 800k for him

[fossil obsidian]

shi u right

[sonic galleon]

he was pretty much the only reliable source of slow for a very long time

[fossil obsidian]

ik

[astral coyote]

so wealthy

[woeful gull]

Good luck twin

[astral coyote]

what a wealthy guy

[scenic spindle]

ts old wheres ur new shit