alucard familiar when???

[supple basalt]

and he got no use no more

[delicate violet]

this guy doesnt know the strat 💔

[supple basalt]

idc about the strat anyways since he's no longer good for mvp

broly n unbound team solo him

[delicate violet]

jin mori over here being less than 120k to max out including clones

while also doing 600k+ dps

[supple basalt]

how r u getting 120k to max them?

[delicate violet]

he doesnt know 💔

[supple basalt]

is it the click upgrade bug affecting him too?

[delicate violet]

go look it up

hint: cost reduction

[supple basalt]

oh

nobody is using ymir?

[delicate violet]

not ymir

ymir isnt that good for him

although technically i could probably get him to ~110k to max out with her

but then i wouldnt have a spare slot for smth else

ill have to think about that

yea not really that worth

[rustic spindle]

doesn’t ymir buff jin clone 140% dmg

[delicate violet]

doesnt buff clones at all

they dont have his passive of being "all categories"

[rustic spindle]

by selling jin imean

[rustic spindle]

not directly

[delicate violet]

ehhhhh

u dont really want to sell jin imma be fully honest

not much merit in it

u get like maybe 10% more dps

but lose his 3rd passive entirely

the dmg reduction and boosting dmg against them one

[rustic spindle]

so what do you run him with

[delicate violet]

ill wait to see if the other dude can figure it out

then ill show

[rustic spindle]

i ussually just run him with gogeta ymir

[delicate violet]

ur missing out

[rustic spindle]

and smith

[delicate violet]

better, but honestly thats the unit i'll be removing next

[rustic spindle]

do you silly fairy or sum?

[delicate violet]

once a better buffer appears, smith is the first to go

[delicate violet]

only on farm

well actually smith is already interchangable with al

[rustic spindle]

is the buffer a universal buffer?

not categories spesific

[delicate violet]

one of them isnt, one of them sorta isnt, and one of them is

and im just excluding al/smith entirely

cuz they are just conditional

[rustic spindle]

hercule?

[delicate violet]

im not going to give any spoiley woilies until this guy comes back

actually ill just dm u the team

[rich schooner]

wtf is this

[quick escarp]

mno he doesnt

no

you say 198k dps with the right team

he doesnt do that alone

[delicate violet]

He might mean with a god birb

Aka a 50% DPS increase

[supple basalt]

He does

Not my fault you can’t do basic math

[rustic spindle]

haruka rin familiar when???

[quick escarp]

no he doesn't

[quick escarp]

he's js ragebaiting

you never have a non ragebaiting interaction with mushy

[supple basalt]

If you can’t do simple math, please don’t response to me.

[quick escarp]

"response" 💔😭

[steel hemlock]

Stop all

[burnt grail]

asked a tester friend if he'd ever get one and the answer was "he does something no other unit in the game does" and "hes a support"

so chances are he aint gonna get one for a while

[astral dagger]

Idk how the hell youre getting him to 600k

[delicate violet]

💔

[astral dagger]

He does around 178k dps by himself

[delicate violet]

let me go grab a screenshot of it rq

[astral dagger]

Is this stage buff tech

[violet halo]

the fact it have 58 stars is crazy

[delicate violet]

stage buffs arent consistent i dont think

so i dont use those in calcs

[astral dagger]

What are you using with him

[delicate violet]

rogita, aurin, al are the main 3

hercool is usually #4

then sprintwagon

[mystic flint]

no way they gonna show alucard some love

bro is unchangeable since release

[violet halo]

he got buffed

[delicate violet]

it also does depend on some familiars for some of the dps

[delicate violet]

only a mediocre birb tho

[mystic flint]

i agree with pure support tho

[astral dagger]

Yeah because hes been a top tier support since his inception, also they did increase his bleed duration.

[mystic flint]

the wounded is so goated

[violet halo]

he went from 2 to 8 seconds right

[astral dagger]

I dont think it was 2 but he did go to 8

[mystic flint]

yep

[worldly forge]

IM HUNGRY AS FUCK DUDE

Wrong channels

[delicate violet]

the only people who say alucard is bad are just people who look at the tier list's top dps and think "this must be my team"

[worldly forge]

Fuck this phone

[violet halo]

8 seconds is crazy

[mystic flint]

they basing always on dmg.

🗿

[quick escarp]

wym man

i don't see how he does that much

[astral dagger]

I can calc it for you if you want

But the av dps calculator site has it explained too, for the most part.

[quick escarp]

please do

i wanna not save my rerolls 😭💔

[astral dagger]

You should probably save nonetheless

[quick escarp]

Ikkk

it's just I hate saving

[astral dagger]

14 new units, who knows how good they are

[quick escarp]

I'm just pissed brooo

[violet halo]

saving is for noobs

always roll

[quick escarp]

my friend has 13 monarchs all below 600 rerolls

Ive reached pity 4 times

anyways show calc if you can't

[violet halo]

armin will get a vanguard evo where he is a dps

[quick escarp]

Why even roll on him 💔

Highkey underrated MVP stealer

[astral dagger]

With 3 ascensions and maxed spa passive, he gets to around 86.5k damage with a 5.4 second spa

[quick escarp]

yeah

[astral dagger]

Familiar gives him +275% damage, so times that by 3.75x

Then familiar makes him apply scorched, which 1.2xes his damage

[quick escarp]

ye

[astral dagger]

Familiar also gives him 30% overhead damage, since he already has 10%, its a 1.4/1.1 amp

[quick escarp]

What's overhead dmg

I'm confused

[astral dagger]

The thing you see above a unit

[quick escarp]

oh

yeah

[astral dagger]

For example vsjw getting 30% damage and 20% range when no summons are on field

[quick escarp]

yeahh

and then the guaranteed crit?

[astral dagger]

Then the familiar gives him guaranteed crits, and increases his crit damage by 30%, so thats a 1.55x damage multiplier

Finally he does 1.3x damage after hitting an enemy like thrice with his second passive

[quick escarp]

so he's rlly goo

good??

idk if ill use him

[astral dagger]

Hes pretty good, whether you use him or not just depends on whether you do tourneys/wl/inf

For a casual player i would recommend saving for 9.0

If you wanna run inf and tourneys you can try rolling

[lofty scaffold]

eeeeeeh

hes not that worth getting rn unless ur going for lb

hes amazing but isnt necessary

[astral dagger]

Yeah basically how id describe it

You dont really need much to beat most of the game as a casual player.

[quick escarp]

inf and ytourney

gotta get him then

[quick perch]

If tengen was able to get a familiar, alucard has a really big chance now ngl, a really easy unit to get, permanent and it got a vfamiliar with 275% more damage, alucard is more than likely to have one 🙏🏻

[astral dagger]

Hopefully not.

Crazy how we're comparing arguably the best support in the game with units that were last used 10 months ago

[scenic spindle]

your a dumbass bro

same with the person emoting

[astral dagger]

I dont wanna hear it from actual idiots whove never played an lb in their life and peaked at top 30 in tournament ngl

Didnt expect much from you anyways 💀

[sonic galleon]

the amount of mfs that did that calculation wrong is kinda crazy😭

[astral dagger]

Nah but lowkey im the dumbass here

[scenic spindle]

everything has been argued. sjw sukuna vegeta gojo tengen all units from early days being revived in some way, but alucard for you its too much. "best support in game!" hes not hes just a good support but as newer units get released he falls out of use. there are much better supports and broly with rupture on placement basically trumps him easily in stopping bleed. sukuna has his own bleed buff that helps guts who is an insane dps currently

[sonic galleon]

WE are the last generation

[scenic spindle]

deleted this shit in minutes but ig you wanna bring up the past

[astral dagger]

None of these "better supports" are a 1.2x damage multiplier, by the way.

[scenic spindle]

yes this was dumb of me

my mistake

now shutup

[sonic galleon]

doesnt only 2 units have wounded in the game rn

[scenic spindle]

no like 3

[scenic spindle]

goblin slayer lancer and broly

broly being the best rupture rn

[astral dagger]

Wounded??

[gleaming folio]

Thats ruptured not wounded

[astral dagger]

😭 ❓

[sonic galleon]

[gleaming folio]

Wounded is only on alucard and kisuke pretty sure

[steel hemlock]

kisuke and alucard

[sonic galleon]

yeah i thought so

[astral dagger]

Yeah and kisuke applies it once

Nah but gs is a better support trust me

[scenic spindle]

misread

[sonic galleon]

anyways being able to do 1.5x damage because of wounded and bubbled is very good

👍

[gleaming folio]

Just use smith with foo lmao

[scenic spindle]

still doesnt mean alucard doesnt deserve a familiar

[sonic galleon]

why not bring all 3 ✌️

w 1 dps

[gleaming folio]

Why bring support at all when u can bring 6 monarchs

Or 5 m and 1 farm

If needed

[scenic spindle]

good monarchs

[sonic galleon]

you dont have a better monarch then delta

[scenic spindle]

💀

[gleaming folio]

I was boutta send more

😭

[scenic spindle]

did u get kaguya

[sonic galleon]

how many monarchs do you have

[gleaming folio]

I left when kaguya got added

[scenic spindle]

she was in game for months

[gleaming folio]

Came back to av last week of her banner

[gleaming folio]

Yea

I was barely playing

Like once every week or smth

Wasnt even doing portals

Tbh i dont even need her

[gleaming folio]

I cant run her with broly anyway

[scenic spindle]

shes kinda op for farming but ig

[gleaming folio]

Cuz of domain overlap

[gleaming folio]

When anniversary gets added if i need ill use it

So far na

Idk if i should get escanor tho

[scenic spindle]

escanor is a must

[gleaming folio]

Im at 14k pity left

[scenic spindle]

easy to tinytask too

[scenic spindle]

get that shit

[gleaming folio]

Isnt he a 1 unit team

[jade socket]

Eh

[scenic spindle]

yea

he solos

cid

act 2 with monarch

[jade socket]

Doesn’t need one for now

[gleaming folio]

Why should I get him if i can place just a broly pop domain and thats it tho

[scenic spindle]

he an update 0 banner secret

[gleaming folio]

And he also kills shields

[jade socket]

He still has 100% uptime on bleed and the dmg buff thing

And he’s full aoe

And cheap

[scenic spindle]

broly can solo act 2?

didnt know

but escanor is good cuz hes free

[jade socket]

Yeah he can

[gleaming folio]

I havent tried but 100% he can

Wait lowkey lemme go try it rn

[scenic spindle]

escanor can clear it faster tho

lowkey didnt want him monarch

now im forced to learn how to use him and spin deadeye on mid units

[gleaming folio]

Hes litteraly yhwach

Get a lot of units with deadeye

And hercoal

[scenic spindle]

any unit?

[gleaming folio]

U can also use jin mori with him

He counts as fused unit

Im pretty sure

[gleaming folio]

I think so yeah he just needs crit dmg

Lemme send u a clip

[scenic spindle]

k\

[jade socket]

No

Only vegito and ichigo

Are worth to deadeye

[scenic spindle]

these my deadeyes

[scenic spindle]

ic

[jade socket]

Honestly

If he was still immune to debuffs

He would’ve been a good unit

To invest int

Into

[scenic spindle]

they shouldve let him have it tbh

my only gripe with the unit is that he deadass has no active skill

bro is pure

[jade socket]

He’s jin mori but better

Since he’s actually immune to status effects

[scenic spindle]

if I clear this thingy will I get the 200 rrs again

[jade socket]

No

[scenic spindle]

Was halfway there with the evos thank God I don’t gotta waste my essences

[delicate violet]

its such a tedious quest for no reason

same with the returning/new player rewards

helps new/returning players but does nothing/hurts players who stuck with the game

[scenic spindle]

playing many updates and doing my best to evo every new unit I only evoed like 60 lol

it was doable but it still sucked

this is the monarch method

nvm

am I really gonna hit pity for guts bro

[quick perch]

You only did 40 💔, did you end up getting it?

Like before pity

[scenic spindle]

Saving rn

[quick perch]

Ah, For?

[scenic spindle]

Guts has a lot of flaws but he my favourite unit in game so I’m conflicted

[scenic spindle]

Dio oh

[quick perch]

Ngl, i should do that too

[zealous depot]

were all these rr from bundle or actual saving

[scenic spindle]

3-4 weeks of saving

If I saved rrs from the start of update I’d have like 2.3k rn

[zealous depot]

wow i wanna be like u 🥺

but as soon as i get 200 i just spend

cause that could be a monarch

[scenic spindle]

Only hit pity once and that was kaguya

[zealous depot]

yeah i remember when u hit pity for kaguya

made me feel better for hitting pity on broly

[scenic spindle]

Was so traumatized by it I put a goal to never grind for pity again

[limpid cape]

Pretty sure the game just hates me

I have 3 monarchs and 2 of them were from pity

The other was 800 deep

[gloomy junco]

quick side info

alucard is not in need for a buff/familiar

just saying cuz yall dont see a billion dps

💔

[woeful gull]

Guys

Let’s make a meta unit

Even more meta

[gloomy junco]

fr

[scenic spindle]

he does less than cha in and choso

bro shutup

[scenic spindle]

and hes three placement

and costs like 100k

and is as rare as a vanguard

[gloomy junco]

yk the fact that u compare a support to a dps is wild shit

top 2 support for a reason btw

[scenic spindle]

so hes only meta cuz hes support

he was a sub dps for a while

I wont deny it

[gloomy junco]

still top 2

[scenic spindle]

but why argue he doesnt need one

when everyone else

[worldly forge]

Been build for a support yeh not around dps

[scenic spindle]

from upd 0 has one

[worldly forge]

To be usable again

That's why

[scenic spindle]

sjw is now vsjw sukuna and gojo got familiars

[worldly forge]

😭

[solemn moat]

gojo is update 1

and igris obito cha-in naruto don't even got familiars

[worldly forge]

Literally been said before so that they can be usable in this meta

[scenic spindle]

whatever they are close

[gloomy junco]

its not like they finna forget alucards ass everybody will get one eventually

yall are just arguing with the air

[scenic spindle]

you are doing that

you deadass have no arguement against this shit

[gloomy junco]

what i am trying to say he doesnt need ine right NOW

[solemn moat]

i'll absolutely take a alucard familiar make him rupture

[gloomy junco]

maybe in like 2-3 updates

around that

[worldly forge]

6-7 updates

Man FUCK my humor

Anyways since he's still a support meta means usable he doesn't need one for now

[scenic spindle]

no way

message really got deleted

whatever

[scenic spindle]

sukuna was revived with a familiar and took his role. hes a way better early aoe and a better support in damage and shit

all the rules are broken either way with upd 0 units getting second evos and this whole familiar buff system. this shouldnt even be argued its only a matter of time

yall also over estimate how used alucard is, currently. like who is using him in modes bro

game is easy as shit to be getting a 20% damage buff for ur unit in a specific patch that alucard is at

I say this as an alucard lover btw

I once argued back when he didnt have 100% uptime on bleed that alucard deserves to have more uptime on bleed like choso did. do you know what the community said back to me? "wow make the op support even more op" "if you make alucard better than choso that makes choso useless" "hes good as he is buddy" shit like that is why I hate this dumbass community yall dont want to see shit change.

im done yapping gn

[scenic spindle]

its fine take ur time

[astral dagger]

"I dont use alucard in my bounties bruh hes ass. Wdym hes used in most tourneys, inf lb, and a lot of wl floors? That's irrelevant, we all know the stages that matter most are story stages that upd 1 units can clear!"

[scenic spindle]

Holy strawman

Didn’t say he’s bad

Just meant he’s niche to those modes which most people don’t play

Your right in a way

[rich schooner]

Supports are good in gamemodes where they matter??

Who would have guessed

[proper granite]

PLEASE

[ebon lava]

alucards purpose wasnt to be just a support

his passive just gives so much value, but his dps is garbage

[ebon lava]

he was one of the top dps in the game when it dropped

[rich schooner]

He was top dps for a single update

It's clear his goal in the long run was support

[kindred nacelle]

Alucard is a support he doesn’t need a familiar

[ebon lava]

"because a unit that was a top dps got powercrept, it obviously means they were only a support"

is broly designed to be a support long term according to this logic because he has rupture?

[kindred nacelle]

Plus his debuff is hella good

[ebon lava]

he needs one, bad

[kindred nacelle]

Doesn’t

[rich schooner]

Broly is also prolly gonna be meta for more than a single upd 😭

Also broly will prolly be meta for a long time just because of the 100% crit he gives

[kindred nacelle]

In Terms of DPS alucard fell off at the jjk update

[ebon lava]

so, again, according to you, he's designed to only be a support just because his dps will be powercrept by the next vanguard.

[kindred nacelle]

He is the only unit with a 20% debuff

Kisuke also has a debuff but it’s weaker

[rich schooner]

No? He is at the moment the highest dps i don't think the next vanguard will out dps him by that much

[kindred nacelle]

I don’t see how he wasn’t supposed to be kept as a support

[rich schooner]

But yes in a few months from now

When he does get power crept his main use will be the 100% crit

Like how vsjw is now only used for summons

[kindred nacelle]

Didn’t they also say that they’ll never touch Alucard or that alucard will never be replaced ?

[rich schooner]

Alucard won't get replaced

[kindred nacelle]

I fail to see this guys point

Alucard is already good

[rich schooner]

Mhm

[ebon lava]

yes. ill remind you once more, you are saying that alucard was designed to be a support because he got powercrept in one update (which isnt even true), but broly will eventually be powercrept and his value will come from his unbound unit buff and rupture. these two were both designed as damaging units who support, but their support gives them much more longevity.

[kindred nacelle]

HE IS THE ONLY UNIT WITH A 20% WEAKENED DEBUFF HOW DO YOU FAIL TO NOTICE THIS

[rich schooner]

Kisuke also has that

[kindred nacelle]

HE IS MEANT TO BE A SUPPORT FOR THE LONG RUN

[rich schooner]

Alucard just does it wayy better

[kindred nacelle]

His is 5%

[ebon lava]

alucard is still half of what he is supposed to be. he needs a damage buff

[kindred nacelle]

He doesn’t

Why should a support unit deal tons of damage ?

[rich schooner]

Yes?

[kindred nacelle]

You do realise his damage was boosted so he doesn’t die in 1 update which did work

He died in 2 updates

[ebon lava]

this is like asking

"why gojo do bunch of damage?"
"why baiken do bunch of damage?"
"why kaguya do bunch of damage?"
"why tengen do bunch of damage?"
"why starrk do bunch of damage?"

[kindred nacelle]

Gojo isn’t a support now is he?

[ebon lava]

gojo and alucard are similar in the sense that theyre dps units also giving support

[rich schooner]

Kaguya and gojo are built like a support dps hybrid

[ebon lava]

thats how alucard functioned.

thats my point

[kindred nacelle]

Similar in what fucking way? Gojo had the highest dmg for like 3 updates

He remained in meta in 3 updates*

[rich schooner]

If alucard was meant to be a dps unit his full aoe dmg and spa would have been higher

[kindred nacelle]

Plus it’s not like Gojo does something special that only he does

[ebon lava]

he had relative dps to igris but go off

[ebon lava]

why are you asking that when i just said

???

anime vanguardians try to read challenge (goes wrong)

[rich schooner]

That's because they were the only release secrets?

Quite literally the only non meta unit on release was naruto

I swear Goku black was better than naruto

Might I add alucard also got powercrept easier than igris did

[ebon lava]

now youre just making every excuse possible

igris is a dps unit

and yet alucard and igris were about on par

[rich schooner]

Since igris's passives were more dps focussed and alucards are more support focused

[ebon lava]

does that not imply he is supposed to be damage and support

[rich schooner]

I swear that was only after igris got nerfed

[rich schooner]

If he was why are has passives more support focused?

Wounded and bleed are clearly meant to be support

[ebon lava]

gotta be ragebait atp

[rich schooner]

And the main use of the last passive is to lower his spa for more attacks

[rich schooner]

[rich schooner]

How is that ragebait

just wanted to see alus dps compared to igris rq

13,418 this is alucard

16,320

this is igris

alus counts bleed

no ability

[inland barn]

why does alu need dps 😭

[rich schooner]

this is tripple godly mon stats btw

[ebon lava]

because its god awful

[rich schooner]

he dosent

[inland barn]

he's a support unit

who gives wounded and bleed

[ebon lava]

omfg

[ebon lava]

he is a dps and support

[gloomy junco]

alu does not need a familiar in this moment

[ebon lava]

his main ability is also centered around dps

[inland barn]

dont think so

[ebon lava]

and thats useless

[keen path]

Spa

[ebon lava]

they do damage, they buff his dps

[keen path]

That’s more applying for the wounded

[keen path]

Which was only good at release

[gloomy junco]

yall just want to see 150k dps on alucard right thats what yall want

[ebon lava]

thats the problem lmfao

[keen path]

He’s built for long term support

[inland barn]

his ability mostly buffs his spa as well 😭

so wounded is applied more

[keen path]

Yea

[gloomy junco]

watch him have no other argument

[ebon lava]

too bad that theres literally no reason to ever max him out 🤔

its almost like.. he needs a familiar...

[inland barn]

yeah like most supports

???

[gloomy junco]

lets give top 2 meta a familiar

for the fun of it

fuck it

[keen path]

Legit for the more addition of support buffs

[inland barn]

1 weather report familiar please!

[keen path]

To keep the secret in banner actually worth it they have to be support

[gloomy junco]

weather report dmg so mid he need familiar💔

[keen path]

And not get constant buffs

[gloomy junco]

every dev gonna disagree with yall sayin he need a familar

every single one

[inland barn]

uhm weather reports Passive allows him burn so its obvious he was meant to be a dps

and he fell off

[rich schooner]

idk man andre might agree

[gloomy junco]

💔

[rich schooner]

dpmo rubin

[rich schooner]

he might be yo..

[rich schooner]

since burn does literally nothing other than dmg

[inland barn]

so was there any other arguement other than i want my support unit to do tons of dmg as well?

[rich schooner]

ig

if alucard did get a fam

[gloomy junco]

i want a 200k dps alucard pls

[inland barn]

what i dont like

[rich schooner]

his main passives would NEED a nerf

[ebon lava]

alucard needs a damage buff

[inland barn]

is weather report giving more bonus dmg

[gloomy junco]

low rank moment

[inland barn]

why does a support unit need a dmg buff 😭

[rich schooner]

you were active here on release yea?

[inland barn]

he's here to stop regen and boost dmg

[ebon lava]

you are below me

[inland barn]

i was active here pre release

🥹

[rich schooner]

m

was anyone using alu as main dps?

[gloomy junco]

still doesnt change the fact that alu needs a familiar

[inland barn]

???

[ebon lava]

to make his damage viable, have useful summons, actually have a reason to max him out

[gloomy junco]

doesnt need one

lol

im slow mb

[inland barn]

his summons decrease his spa

which allows his to apply wounded and bleed more often

[ebon lava]

and you never have a reason to spend 100k on him

[inland barn]

making his support aspects viable

[ebon lava]

never

literally never

[inland barn]

yeah like every support?

[gloomy junco]

💔💔💔💔

[inland barn]

how many times have you maxed weather report 😭

[ebon lava]

hes a damage and support ive went through this several times here

[inland barn]

he's not dmg and support

[gloomy junco]

he is not a dps

[rich schooner]

a couple for tourni

[inland barn]

he's just support

[ebon lava]

and it makes no sense to have his main ability be useless

[inland barn]

tourney doesnt count man

[inland barn]

its not

[rich schooner]

oh then never

[inland barn]

if your not gonna acknowledge what im saying theres no point

[ebon lava]

useless ability and cant ever use his full potential and yet he doesnt need a familiar? tell me how that makes sense

[inland barn]

you can just yell at the wall twin

[gloomy junco]

like other supports

[ebon lava]

you never acknowledged what i said but sure

[ebon lava]

supports dont have useless abilities

[inland barn]

i did multiple times i said he doesnt need dps since he's a support and his passive is built around decreasing spa rather than increasing dmg

built around decrease spa to allow his support abilities to be procced more

[ebon lava]

cant even take advantage of his bleed anymore when the top dps has rupture

[gusty sierra]

Honestly the wounded passive and early full aoe bleed is what has him in meta support still

[inland barn]

and yet alucard is still meta since he is the only character that can apply wounded

[ebon lava]

he is a damage and support, but since is dps is garbage hes only been seen as a support for nearly a year. thats why he needs a familiar lmfao

[gloomy junco]

top support btw

[inland barn]

but he ISNT

DAMAGE AND SUPPORT HE'S JUST SUPPORT

[ebon lava]

weather report is easier and better to use most of the time

[astral dagger]

Why does a unit need to be a top tier dps and support are you like fucking stupid

[ebon lava]

kaguya:

[gloomy junco]

thats why hes above alucard

[gusty sierra]

Honestly the perfect opportunity to make a familiar that doesn’t buff the damage to the roof and actually does something unique….or just leave him be he’s gonna be viable regardless

[gloomy junco]

thats not an argument

[keen path]

Doesn’t his first passive do literal damage and no one uses that cause he’s a support

[ebon lava]

weather report isnt a dps, alucard was

[gusty sierra]

Limited Vanguard to a secret that will always be obtainable

[inland barn]

his passives are built EXCLUSIVELY around SUPPORT with 1 exception of getting a little more dmg per summon that dies

[ebon lava]

was a top dps

damage and support

not hard to understand

[inland barn]

in upd 0?

because tengen crushed his ass dps wise

[ebon lava]

THATS MY POINT

[inland barn]

same with every other unit

[keen path]

DPS no one used him for ts

[ebon lava]

his dps is so ass that hes only seen as a support

[inland barn]

so he should've been buffed upd 1?

[keen path]

Igris was legit there

[gloomy junco]

cuz he is one

[keen path]

He was for his full cheap aoe

Which is why u consider it a dps

[ebon lava]

alucard and igris had about the same dps

"support!!!"

"Hes a support only!!"

[keen path]

Igris was damage passives tho?

Boss damage addition

Sjw buff

[ebon lava]

alucard had damage and support passives you idiot

?????

cant be deadass

[keen path]

You name one damage passive and think that’s the whole kit

[ebon lava]

bleed does damage wounded makes enemies take extra damage

[inland barn]

alocard vrs igris

[ebon lava]

thats damage and support passives

[inland barn]

your actually lying without knowing shit

1/3rd

of the dps of igris

[keen path]

no bleed has always been for regen enemies and never used much for that

[inland barn]

btw

[keen path]

That is just not it

[inland barn]

"similar dps" 😭

wwd

[lofty scaffold]

AGHHHHHH

😭😭😭😭😭

[gloomy junco]

he dipped?

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah no wonder this suggestion was made

[inland barn]

hellloooo

[keen path]

This suggestion is not going to happen

[worldly forge]

Combine with

Dps

[gloomy junco]

yo chat he dipped

[worldly forge]

And wound!

[inland barn]

anything to say about this being a complete lie 😭

[worldly forge]

That equals!

[sonic galleon]

yeah exactly- thats why we need to focus on more important matters like- akaza vanguard

[keen path]

Spit yo shit

[inland barn]

@proud stag the people are with you man 🥹

[keen path]

Prof needs this

[worldly forge]

Akaza immune to stun for 4 minutes

[inland barn]

would like to point out that that igris dps is missing like 60% of the total dmg

[sonic galleon]

ew familiar? NO

[inland barn]

from his own passives

[worldly forge]

Whoever made his passive

[sonic galleon]

i want a vanguard evo for him

[worldly forge]

It was lowk dumb

[lofty scaffold]

Dont let them know

Just let them continue praying for about 20 updates

Before he might actually need something

[keen path]

Mind you Igris got NERFED

[inland barn]

mfs have the audacity to look someone in the eye and say these 2 units have a similar dps

[keen path]

Making his DPS even less

[inland barn]

🥹

but alucard was always a dps

[lofty scaffold]

Is ts igris dps with sjw buff too?

[inland barn]

yeah i added it after the first ss

[lofty scaffold]

I see

40k dps is disgusting high

[ebon lava]

got it..

[lofty scaffold]

Esp back then

[rich schooner]

holy shit that dps is so close!

[inland barn]

similar dps and he's not even reaching 1/3rd of vegeta

[rich schooner]

how did u calc alus dps?

[ebon lava]

idek where this is from

[inland barn]

let me see how much

[inland barn]

the dps calculator from the anime vanguard wiki

[lofty scaffold]

Its ok tho

Theres people out there asking for vsjw vfamiliar

We cant get too greedy out here

[sonic galleon]

yeah fr he should just get another evo

[rich schooner]

i think we need a broly fam

[ebon lava]

what am i looking at?

[inland barn]

Igris's stats

[rich schooner]

igris on the right shady boy

[inland barn]

is this your igris vrs your alucard

how did you get these numbers 🥹

[rich schooner]

thats sandbox im guessing

[rich schooner]

thats what alu does

lemme load up sandbox

[inland barn]

im talking about igris

idk how this guy GAINED 1.1 spa

[rich schooner]

oh lemme get igris rq too

[ebon lava]

no, im in sandbox. level 60, monarch, 20% dmg, -10% spa and rng (Z+ stats)

[lofty scaffold]

Ts tuff

[rich schooner]

i gave him ascensions

wait

[inland barn]

yeah idk whats up with the site having the wrong spa

[ebon lava]

igris and alucard are about the same (i didnt even includes alucards third passive which is 35% dmg buff)

alucard also has his bleed and wounded but thats not part of his dps

[rich schooner]

no ascensions

[inland barn]

lets not get ahead of ourselves

[ebon lava]

fym "no ascensions"

[inland barn]

we're forgetting igris is a duo unit

[ebon lava]

secrets cant get them

[rich schooner]

you can give secrets ascenisons in sandbox

i did that in the first ss

alu w ascensions

alu without

[inland barn]

so we're looking at around

half the dps of igris (a stage secret) on upd 0

same upd

[rich schooner]

alu dosent have ability btw

[inland barn]

oh use that then

[rich schooner]

imma use it once

since thats what u realistically can get

[lofty scaffold]

Errr

2nd ss is with element buff btw

But he was fs a top dps back in the good old days

[rich schooner]

@inland barn w ability

[inland barn]

i mean alucard wasnt a BAD dps in upd 0

but you could very clearly tell even back then

he was mostly there for his support abilities

[lofty scaffold]

He just was never a dps

[rich schooner]

wait he deadass just gained a ascension

lmao

[velvet sandal]

Guys can we also give Alucard outfit as a cosmetic too without having to pick unit

Alucard need a whole refresh aa Alucard is still so much cooler 💔

[inland barn]

igris with passives vrs alucard with passives

[lofty scaffold]

Who gaf abt that fraud game

[violet halo]

the same alucard that was dogshit without unique and couldn't hit air enemies?

LOL

[velvet sandal]

Still cooler

[violet halo]

he did the exact same shit

bro what

[inland barn]

there is no way to realistically claim that alucard was ever meant to be mainly used for his dps capabilities when his dps wasnt even close to standard on upd 0

[ebon lava]

how is yours 20k?

[rich schooner]

sjw

[ebon lava]

im also using sjw

[inland barn]

better stats maybe idk

[ebon lava]

🙄

[rich schooner]

boss in range?

[ebon lava]

i said damage and support

[inland barn]

you dont have the max multiplier

[velvet sandal]

Oh yeah I just remember I think it was another td but I just can’t remember

[ebon lava]

not one or the other, both

[inland barn]

but he wasnt doing good dmg at all

he was doing less than a mythic at the time

[ebon lava]

just lying

literally just lying

[inland barn]

alr lets look at other units

since we can see

he isnt close to igris

but thats the best unit from the upd

[inland barn]

so maybe alucard was just worse than igris but better than everyone else

[rich schooner]

not even best trait btw

😭

[inland barn]

🥹

[ebon lava]

vegetas the goat

his max upgrade lowkey butt tho, aoe stinks 😔

[rich schooner]

obito

[inland barn]

did you get his -12% spa?

[rich schooner]

sjw

[ebon lava]

if other units have more damage its to make up for them having a small aoe while alucard has full aoe

[inland barn]

dont forget scaling summons

[rich schooner]

no passives for any of these guys

[inland barn]

ah

[rich schooner]

excepts vegetas -20

[inland barn]

so alucard almost comes close to the dps of a unit who's main abilitiy is summoning

but he's a top dps of upd 0 btw

[ebon lava]

he is infact a top dps

[rich schooner]

we are looking at dps

not aoe

[inland barn]

so

who is he better than

dps wise

none of the other top dps's?

[rich schooner]

with her worst trait by far btw

[inland barn]

check her passives again?

[ebon lava]

aoe matters a lot lol

[rich schooner]

boss killers

[inland barn]

yeah except his was mainly focused...

on applying his STATUS CONDITION

TO HELP OTHER UNITS DEAL MORE DPS

[rich schooner]

it does but by no means is sjw or obitos aoe bad

[inland barn]

BECAUSE HE IS A SUPPORT

[ebon lava]

damage and support 🥹

[rich schooner]

he wasnt even the best summoner on release 🥹

[inland barn]

mind you they didnt scale like the actual good summoner

on release

so

[ebon lava]

if he got a familiar they would actually be good 🥹

[inland barn]

except they were never meant to be some heavy hitting tanks

they were always made a way to get a little dmg in and but BUFF HIS SPA

[rich schooner]

only existed for the sweet sweet spa decrease

[inland barn]

SO HE WOULD

[rich schooner]

🥹

[inland barn]

APPLY HIS DEBUFFS

[ebon lava]

they buff spa and damage

but go off

[inland barn]

the only part of his kit that deals a good amount of dmg

[astral dagger]

People see units that were last used 10 months ago get familiars and ask for one of the most used units to get 1

😂

[inland barn]

is EQUAL to A SINGULAR HIT

[rich schooner]

NARUTO DIFFING ALU

[inland barn]

FROM IGRIS

[rich schooner]

😭

LMAO

[inland barn]

ALMO

[rich schooner]

no passives btw

😭

he still gets 36% dmg

[astral dagger]

Vanguard evo soon on your soul

[gloomy junco]

fr

he finna go vanguard

[rich schooner]

im gone

[gloomy junco]

watch

[inland barn]

okay i lied

[astral dagger]

Nah nah its gonna happen trust in the process

[gloomy junco]

trust

[ebon lava]

❓

[rich schooner]

max stacked passives 🥹

[inland barn]

alucard's 3 minute cooldown "dps ability" is equal to 1.3x the dmg of a singular igris hit

they set a very clear line on what a dps unit looks like

and alucard does NOT meet that quota

[gloomy junco]

tldr: alucard gets no familiar

[inland barn]

heres him without 5 minutes of waiting for passives

[ebon lava]

none of you even considered that alucards doing an extra 40% of his dmg because of bleed and wounded 🤔

[rich schooner]

❓

[ebon lava]

bros coping

[inland barn]

HIGHLIGHTING HIS SUPPORT ASPECTS?

[ebon lava]

i said hes a damage and support

not one or the other

i never said he leaned more into damage or support

i said hes both

[inland barn]

BUT HE DOESNT HAVE THE DMG TO MATCH THE WORST MYTHIC IN GAME

[gloomy junco]

no

[ebon lava]

because he undeniably was

[inland barn]

NARUTO IS THE WORST MYTHIC OAT

[rich schooner]

hes getting out dpsed by naruto 🥹

[gloomy junco]

he ragebaiting

[inland barn]

AND HE OUTDPS'S ALUCARD

[ebon lava]

full aoe:

[inland barn]

dir.

its common sense 🥹

[ebon lava]

are we deadass

[inland barn]

that range is not included

in damage per second

[ebon lava]

naruto is still dogshit idk why he was brought into the convo

alucards damage is way better

[inland barn]

because the worst unit

oat

out dps's

your dps unit

[ebon lava]

why is naruto ass

his dps or aoe?

i think its his aoe

[ebon lava]

and his passives are worthless

[inland barn]

dps was the worst on update 0

but i guess even that has its limits

[ebon lava]

if hes consistently attacking its 14k, which is worse than alucards dps

youre literally rambling

[inland barn]

so you wanna look at the dps counter for me rq

[ebon lava]

i already looked ingame

alucard had 13.5k (not counting bleed or wounded or summons) naruto had 14k

[inland barn]

heres MAXED alucard

waiting 6 minutes

to get this btw

after reaching max upgrade

[ebon lava]

his familiar could help with that 🙂

[inland barn]

making his ability cd shorter?

[rich schooner]

hear me out place him so he cant attack let passive stack then upg

also

of all units

naruto needs a a fam most

[rich schooner]

dudes ASSS

[inland barn]

and still out dps's the "dps unit"

[rich schooner]

lol

[ebon lava]

damage and support

full aoe

[inland barn]

so like

he has less damage

[ebon lava]

he needs an evo

[inland barn]

ALL units

do damage

even the supports

we dont call weather report

a dmg and support unit

because he does damage

[ebon lava]

full aoe units typically has less damage than others to balance it out

[ebon lava]

not true

[inland barn]

so lets go back

to the igris

the other full aoe

[ebon lava]

weather report does like 100k meanwhile escanor does 1.5m every attack no shit no ones considering him a dps and support

[inland barn]

are these 2 units similar in dps to you

[ebon lava]

now we look at starrk

[ebon lava]

thats a dps and support unit

[inland barn]

exactly a unit who RIVALS the best of the dps units and still provides a support thats needed

[ebon lava]

pretty close, yeah

[inland barn]

now we're just lying

gg

[rich schooner]

he does 180k?

wolves do alot of dmg tho

[ebon lava]

nearly 14k dps without even adding in bleed + wounded yeah its pretty close lmfao

[inland barn]

wayyyy more

[inland barn]

again we're highlight his dps aspect not his support aspects

[rich schooner]

im talkin mon

[inland barn]

since you think his dps is what needs the buff

[ebon lava]

❓ those are his dps aspects

[rich schooner]

do you know why??

[ebon lava]

wounded is a dps support

bleed is a dps support

[rich schooner]

BECAUSE OF THIS

[ebon lava]

nah.. fr?

[rich schooner]

this is why stark has good dps

[ebon lava]

why are you showing this

[inland barn]

woah dps passives 🥹

vrs support based passives

[rich schooner]

because alus dps passives is TERRIBLE

[ebon lava]

damage and support based passives

bleed does damage

wounded makes enemies take more damage

his dps is going up with summons

[rich schooner]

how many summons can we use in a game?

[inland barn]

you dont wanna calculate the dps of the summons

[ebon lava]

0 because theres no value in maxing him out anymore.

[inland barn]

833 dps increase from the summons

[ebon lava]

im playing spider-man

[rich schooner]

exactly because HES A SUPPORT

[minor geyser]

Can we just close this suggestion, alucard doesn’t need a familiar

[inland barn]

his main dps ability

gives him a 833 dps increase

[rich schooner]

do you know why his best trait is marksman/ethereal

BECAUSE MORE WOUNDED

[ebon lava]

okay, lets actually make this more of a meaningful discussion, even if hes just a support unit, why cant he also be doing good damage on par with newer units today?

[inland barn]

comparative

[inland barn]

why would they change the core mechanics of a unit simply to make it also a dps unit

again

[rich schooner]

why would a really good support want to do really good dps?

[inland barn]

alucard is not in need of a buff at all

[minor geyser]

Because he’s already a mainstay in a lot of teams, not every unit has to be doing dps.

[ebon lava]

tengen was a dps now hes a support and dps

[inland barn]

and if he were to recieve one

it would be to his support abilities

[ebon lava]

to give more value to him as a whole, rather than a unit you just set at upgrade 4

[inland barn]

LIKE EVERY SUPPORT

IN THE GAME

[ebon lava]

okay, and why cant he do more?

[rich schooner]

then what would be the reason to run anything else

[minor geyser]

??? Bro do you know how economy works in this game at all

[rich schooner]

if alu alr does support and dmg

WHY WOULD YOU USE ANYTHING ELSE

[inland barn]

so

[minor geyser]

You’re never gonna be maxing all your units outside of inf, having a unit that only needs to be put to upgrade 4 is really good

[inland barn]

this doesnt seem like you have an issue

with current alucard

you just want him to be the best unit in game

[minor geyser]

Alucard been meta since release, he does NOT need a buff

[rich schooner]

alu atm is a bleeding unit that also has wounded

[ebon lava]

alucard is a banner secret, who is of the same value as vanguards and is a year old now. meta characters can be ran by themselves, but alucard can't.

[inland barn]

the only

[rich schooner]

kisuke

[inland barn]

yes a year old permanent unit

who is widely owned

can be still be used

[minor geyser]

He’s not anywhere near the same value as the banner vangaurds lmao, he’s a permanent unit

[inland barn]

as the intended role

18 updates later

thats an INSANE lifespan for a unit

[rich schooner]

escanor cant solo high hp bleed bosses

if alu got this

he would be able to

alu could prolly solo gg ex

if he had good dmg

[inland barn]

now alucard did just lose a major part of his use like EVERY OTHER bleed unit

due to broly

that doesnt mean we need to buff every bleed unit does it

[minor geyser]

This is like saying we should buff the witch because she only does nullify and not enough dps

[ebon lava]

what high hp bleed bosses are we talking about?

[minor geyser]

Not every unit has to be a one man army that solos the game

[inland barn]

boo for example

[rich schooner]

idk the bosses in gg ex?

[minor geyser]

That would genuinely just be boring slop

[ebon lava]

gets one shotted

[inland barn]

we're not talking about story

most units can beat story mode

[ebon lava]

escanor just cant be used there period, costs too much and theres shields

[rich schooner]

exactly

[ebon lava]

"we're not talking about story"

talking about story boss

[rich schooner]

this would give alu viability everyhere

[rich schooner]

have we heard of wl tournament or inf?

[inland barn]

you know

bosses appear outside

of story too right

[minor geyser]

Alucard is an amazing generalist unit that can go in almost any team and i personally use him for all my 🥭 pointless suggestion

[rich schooner]

🥭 user

can we ban??

[proud stag]

🥹

[minor geyser]

self inflicted torture enjoyer 💔

[proud stag]

I need this man

[vagrant tundra]

rq why tf did the votes change if it’s closed

[minor geyser]

bugged

[sonic galleon]

this guy knows ball

[rich schooner]

its bugged

[ebon lava]

ew mid

[inland barn]

this is the same as saying that theres no use to have units immune to dmg reduction because thats a story enemy passive

[vagrant tundra]

making gogeta look bad 🥀

even if he lost

[ebon lava]

i have no idea what youre rambling about

[vagrant tundra]

shouldn’t be like this

[inland barn]

wasnt that close anyways 🥹

[minor geyser]

Can we just give every outdated unit a vanguard familiar that makes them do 1 gigatrillion dps so i don’t have to actually make teams or use my brain even though there’s no content hard enough to require so many dps units pls guys pls ❤️‍🩹

[inland barn]

the method...

[vagrant tundra]

dont forget the stupid ahh lockdown

[rich schooner]

can we make haruka a dps unit

she buffs dmg

thats a dps passive no?

[inland barn]

🥹

[rich schooner]

also shes full aoe

[minor geyser]

Can we give speedwagon a vanguard familiar too because like, he makes money and you use that money to upgrade dps units

Just shortening the process yk?

[rich schooner]

rss

[inland barn]

lwk wouldnt mind ts

[rustic spindle]

haruka should get a vanguard familiar frfr

[minor geyser]

I don’t really wanna waste time upgrading money units, i think my money unit should just be doing 400k dps by itself 🙂

[inland barn]

basically got a vanguard familiar with silly fairy

[proud stag]

Where's the takadora one lowk

[minor geyser]

Honestly just give the player a vanguard familiar so i can shoot lasers at every enemy on the map at the beginning of the match ❤️‍🩹

[inland barn]

honestly with silly fairy added speedwagon solos taka,,,

[proud stag]

So trueee

[minor geyser]

My 7% silly fairy foderises takamid

[inland barn]

21% cost reduction on a farm...

so peak