Just... Evolve Obito?

[midnight turtle]

same

[severe basin]

also i got saiko

another flex

damage so trash 🥹 ❤️‍🩹

[daring wing]

ts my only flex 🥹

[severe basin]

they should give ichigo bankai

[daring wing]

a double evo u mean?

[severe basin]

yes

[daring wing]

i mean

with monarch

for me he is so op

he does like

55k dps

or 60k

i wouldnt mind

a double evo

🤷‍♂️

[midnight turtle]

yeah ichigo was way to disappointing

he was supposed to be the unit with the most longevity cause of the passive

[daring wing]

not for me :P, i would take a double evo so

[severe basin]

devs speedrunning the next bleach update because yhwach falling out of meta 💔

[midnight turtle]

and then his whole spotlight got stolen by mori

[daring wing]

💔

ong so over glazed

[severe basin]

fr bro

[daring wing]

frieza is better 😭

does stark actually deserve upper meta? i heard he is so disappointing

[severe basin]

i dont have him so idk

[oblique saffron]

the hate against yhwach is the biggest thing this community could achieve

[midnight turtle]

he is extremely disappointing

[severe basin]

correct

[oblique saffron]

people dont got monarch yhwach and blame the unit for no reason

[midnight turtle]

he has crit every 2nd attack and when he attacks the first time he "marks" enemies

then sends wolves after them every 5 seconds while they're in his range

so it doesn't contribute to his dps most tims

and lastly and WORST OF ALL

he doesn't even use cero metralleta at max

[severe basin]

lmao he literally just pulls a megumi

[severe basin]

dissapointing

[daring wing]

wasnt this shit like his final attack in the show?

[midnight turtle]

strongest and coolest thing he ever used

[oblique saffron]

wolfs can get enemies outside of his range

[daring wing]

yo what i got handcuffed in solo in cid raid

[severe basin]

???

[daring wing]

ong

[midnight turtle]

still ahh wolves should've just been a followup

[daring wing]

wtf

😭

[severe basin]

Is the fit tuff

[daring wing]

im literally alone

[midnight turtle]

positively

[midnight turtle]

yeah this is stupid ngfl

[wise hamlet]

Up

Up

[sharp flicker]

how this keep getting bumped

[midnight turtle]

i type in something and delete it

then it bumps suggestion without cluttering

[alpine condor]

Can someone pin the original post at the top?

[midnight turtle]

sure, give me a moment

can't pin but i can link it

[sharp flicker]

#1419083138184904724 message

[midnight turtle]

or that works too ig

[sharp flicker]

wait are you on phone

Click the top right

[alpine condor]

Would be good to have it pinned though for anyone looking

[midnight turtle]

Only mods and stuff can do that

[alpine condor]

Ahh

[elder fulcrum]

fax familiar is lame ash

[midnight turtle]

word

[scarlet drum]

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[midnight turtle]

we want the evo

[scarlet drum]

ye i agree evo would be better and cooler hope they change it

[midnight turtle]

well

[midnight turtle]

bump

[midnight turtle]

bump

[edgy garden]

I would like a Secret evo better lowkey

He got some potential with that too anyways

[graceful raptor]

they are probably giving him an evo instead since they skipped him twice now

[midnight turtle]

Skipped him?

wdym

He won the poll

[graceful raptor]

they said whos the "next" vanguard familiar, but then they added tengen and now gilgamesh

[midnight turtle]

i'm PRAYINGGGG thats true man

the way things are going it doesn't look like it tho

[graceful raptor]

either that or they are ragebaiting

[midnight turtle]

watch them delay it for another 3 weeks and drop the familiar instead 😭

[graceful raptor]

they didnt give tengen a evo but since they skipped obito twice i have to think that they are giving him an evo instead

[midnight turtle]

fair enough, you think he's gonna evolve into juubidara or juubito?

[graceful raptor]

no clue honestly also another reason why i think they are giving him an evo is because of his passives he pretty much dont have any just 30% burn and 12% less spa, rare and epic units have more🙏

[midnight turtle]

yeah his passives along with vegeta's were so disappointing on release 😭

but i think they're gonna evo him into juubidara

they REALLY, REALLY hate giving units actual evos instead of just transitioning them into other characters

[graceful raptor]

as long as he gets an evo i dont mind🙏

[midnight turtle]

real

[fading sphinx]

They can expand a lot

obito mainly used kamui in fights teleporting and making himself invulnerable

reflected attacks aswell

[midnight turtle]

yeah and vegeta had a lot too expand too 😭 dude evolved into broly

[fading sphinx]

ngl he should lose his burn though

obito didnt use a single fire jutsu in the war arc

[steel parcel]

he evolved into broly because it made more sense in the context of the game

[midnight turtle]

You suggesting that Broly made more sense for an evolution to Vegeta than Broly is pretentious
Completely ignoring the possibility of a Gogeta, Goku & Vegeta (Broly Movie), SSB & other forms

Also I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "The context of the game"

[sharp flicker]

what

[midnight turtle]

smartest av player

[sharp flicker]

Do you understand what he meant

[midnight turtle]

yes
he's ragebaiting

[steel parcel]

double evos are typically older out of meta units, vegeta was the best mythic on release, people rolled on vegeta

[steel parcel]

i mean that also takes 10x the effort for .5’s

[midnight turtle]

So how exactly does Vegeta -> Broly make more sense?

[sharp flicker]

Can’t wait for naruto to madara evo

[steel parcel]

because its a .5 and people wanted a double evo of an old unit not a completely new one they’d have to roll again on

[midnight turtle]

...? It'd be the same amount of content

[midnight turtle]

I'm saying Vegeta should've evolved into Gogeta, not Broly

[steel parcel]

and ur saying gogeta shouldve been the vanguard?

maybe

[midnight turtle]

Yes

[steel parcel]

well that also has to do with gogeta already being a vanguard

[midnight turtle]

this

[midnight turtle]

Doesn't matter, they're 2 separate units

He's in the game now regardless of his rarity anyway

[steel parcel]

it does matter lol

people would’ve been even more mad if there were two gogeta vanguards 😭

[midnight turtle]

For what reason?

[steel parcel]

continuously making content on 1 anime

[midnight turtle]

...?

[steel parcel]

especially for something as trivial as a double evo where they dont happen often

[midnight turtle]

That would apply to the Broly update in general

[midnight turtle]

Wrong usage of trivial

[steel parcel]

yeah

[sharp flicker]

solo leveling

[steel parcel]

but still

[midnight turtle]

"But still" what

[steel parcel]

my point still stands lol

[midnight turtle]

You don't have a point

[steel parcel]

double evos dont happen often and people wouldn’t like having to see just another version of a vanguard we already have in the game

[midnight turtle]

If you want to get technical about it DBS Gogeta and GT Gogeta aren't the same character and wouldn't apply to that anyway
Gogeta is still in the game regardless, he'd make more sense as an evolution for Vegeta

[steel parcel]

doesnt matter if theyre different or not theyre still under the same name

[midnight turtle]

I fail to see how thats an issue? They are 2 separate characters

[steel parcel]

IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEYRE DIFFERENT WHEN THERES ALREADY ANOTHER VANGUARD VERSION OF THEM IN THE GAME

THATS 100% WHY THEY MADE GOGETA THE RAID SECRET

[glossy thorn]

chill unc

take your pills

[sharp flicker]

NO WE NEED MORE GOGETA VANGUARD

[midnight turtle]

The rarity doesn't matter? Vanguard rarity is given to units who are double evos or seasonal banner highlights. Theres nothing else attached to it

[steel parcel]

the rarity doesnt matter??

people like vanguards because theyre typically the best units in the game and they dont come often

[midnight turtle]

Well good for them, because that's not what they're based off of

[steel parcel]

thats what theyre based off of

theyre not just limited secrets anymore

[midnight turtle]

they're based off of "best units in the game and don't come often"

alright man

because griffith, yhwach, tengen, sk, gogeta, starrk, guts, mori and goblin slayer don't exist

[steel parcel]

yes and most of the vanguards are better than most of them😭

[midnight turtle]

Name one vanguard that isn't a seasonal highlight or a double evo

[steel parcel]

how is this a good point at all

they can be limited but focused on being some of the best units in the game 😭

[midnight turtle]

They've only given vanguard rarity to those who fulfill that criteria

[steel parcel]

wow so you could say that theyre rare and good

[midnight turtle]

Let me explain this better

[sharp flicker]

rare and ass unlike my king diavolo

[midnight turtle]

They fit these criteria, which often times falls into the idea that they're "rare and good"

[steel parcel]

yes because they dont happen often and theyre good 😹

[midnight turtle]

you might be the densest av suggestor since mushy

[steel parcel]

diavalo was originally a trade chip then they dropped that mindset instantly after seeing people not bother to grind him

[midnight turtle]

i'm not going to explain any further

[steel parcel]

top 10 meta is 4/10 vanguards 3/10 secrets 2 mythics 1 exclusive btw its obvious theyve leaned into vanguards being the top meta instead of trade chips

[glossy thorn]

you already a fool since the start so don't worry

[midnight turtle]

i hate you

[midnight turtle]

who tryna hop on Mustard Survival [67]

man this is heat

no way

roblox has some FIRE games bro

ts fire

[tribal robin]

i’m actually more disappointed that my vegeta isn’t present in his own evolution

[random crypt]

that's something i was just thinking about lmao

[tribal robin]

yeah, because it feels like a whole new unit rather than a second evolution (which should add to the character like vsjw and igris)

[fallen junco]

fairs

but it's not that bad imo

[random crypt]

eh it's not a huge deal just weird

[midnight turtle]

bad but bearable ig

[flat tide]

Bump

[tribal robin]

"we already have a gogeta vanguard" literally who gives a shit? we still got a gogeta in this update anyway

if the positions were switched, where we had vanguard gogeta, who the hell would be going "why couldnt it have been vegeta evolving into broly!!! wtf dude"

[scarlet drum]

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[tribal robin]

and i dont understand how the mental gymnastics for that were "oh lets make vegeta evolve into broly"

they literally made a vanguard gogeta possible

they had ssb goku and vegeta, even ssg
had gogeta base to ssb

they have the polls first

wouldnt be a duplicate

theres multiple things that would separate the two

i suppose the two gogetas we have right now are duplicates just becase they have the same name

💀

?

no correlation

dio over heaven will be a secret and if they ever plan to do a fully dedicated jojo update the regular dio will most likely be a secret as well

and no one will care

dio over heaven isnt "regular dio"

completely different iteration of the character from a video game with completely different abilities

the same goes for ss4 and ssb gogeta

not the same dude

at all

we have diego not dio

same abilities yes but not the same character

[small ruin]

their not varients😭

whole different ppl

[tribal robin]

ss4 is a completely different iteration made by toei and has no influence from toriyama
ssb is the canon iteration made by toriyama

ss4 has big bang kamehameha
ssb has soul punisher and multiple different techniques

vanguards has like 5 goku and vegetas 😭

super saiyan vegeta
ss3 goku & ss2 vegeta
vegito
gogeta ss4
dbs broly gogeta

yeah its way different because theres a shit ton of goku and vegetas

still doesnt make sense

vegeta evolution
turns into broly
has gogeta in the game anyway

mind you youre saying that it makes "More sense" meaning it was a better decision to have gogeta not be a vanguard and thats the disagreement i have, because this was a very odd way of solving a nonexistent issue

[molten sun]

i hate the gg update all over my body vro they put effort on to that thing so much just to be flopped after that incident they lowkey js making shiny lazy work af and some maps are recycled showing they have some favoritism on their works

[tribal robin]

not one that i can think of. "people whining" isn't an actual issue because people whine about anything. people would still grind for the character

[molten sun]

IT WAS BAD

[tribal robin]

my MAIN issue with their decision is that they make vegeta double evolve into broly

when gogeta just makes more sense

they couldve had their first f2p vanguard that wasnt a double evolution

makes complete sense

[molten sun]

then shitload of bugs and not some of ppl liked it cuz ppl want actual anime update

[tribal robin]

vegeta turning into broly doesnt make any contextual or logical sense

nothings stopping them from changing their mind

theyve done that several times

[fading sphinx]

having 2 vanguard gogetas doesn’t make sense either 😭

broly was just the easier option to do

[tribal robin]

then i asked, "why couldnt broly be the first vanguard quest unit thats not a double evolution"

gg was poop

[fading sphinx]

because since it was vegeta people with monarch in him already would he inclined to play the updat

Same thing with sjw

[tribal robin]

vsjw isnt really fair to bring up in this convo because of how different he is from the situation, plus this games loves solo leveling

[fading sphinx]

vegeta was an insane unit in early av im sure people used alot of rerolls on him and sjw

[fading sphinx]

how is it not fair

they’re in the same situation

both amazing units on release that got a vanguard evo

[tribal robin]

my issue with broly is that he doesnt feel like an evolution, but a new unit entirely.

are we deadass

[fading sphinx]

fr

we have like

4 or 5 solo leveling units

😭

have you SEEN the dragonball or fate category

🥀

[fading sphinx]

cause he is

[tribal robin]

release is centered around solo leveling
essences come from solo leveling
monarch's icon is igris's helmet
first boss rush is igris
first double evo vanguard is sjw

[fading sphinx]

they literally just wanted to let people’s monarch not go to waste

[tribal robin]

they love solo leveling

[fading sphinx]

im 1000% sure they have data of how many people have monarch vegeta

[tribal robin]

yes

igris helmet is also on every single fucking loading screen

monarch is from solo leveling

[fading sphinx]

Why bro yapping bout ui inspiration

[fading sphinx]

Okay but tbf Naruto units were shit

[fading sphinx]

so no one rlly cared abt them

😭

[tribal robin]

solo leveling units were clearly favored

sjw was the only mythic with an ability

igris with the only secret besides alucard

[fading sphinx]

release was revolved around solo leveling so obviously

[tribal robin]

content wise but solo leveling had the most impact on the game

💀

i dont think you read what i said right there

[fading sphinx]

bros basing the games content of ui inspiration and loading screens

☠️☠️

[tribal robin]

i just said "they love solo leveling" not "they favor it more than anything else" or "its their favorite franchise"

[molten sun]

still it flopped so hard cuz they came up with the game content idea poll on their own and ppl js vote on what mostly they know but the truth is not a lot of players are active in discord they js playing the anime td game normally and want actual anime content so a lot of ppl didn’t know what the shit even abt

[tribal robin]

literally just proving my point further

💔

manwha*

and av was originally planning to be manwha centered

[fading sphinx]

ong

[tribal robin]

gg sucked

just the truth

"good content" you mean pvp?

[fading sphinx]

gg update itself wasnt bad no body just gaf

[tribal robin]

uh

[fading sphinx]

bad things abt gg were probably ex stage and pvp

besides that the models were all high quality and good amount of content

[tribal robin]

the content: play pvp

and pvp was basically broken

😭

yet 6.0 is worse in every way

you dont need to afk

for any of the units

thats why the update is peak

well

for 8.0 specifically i mean

8.0 is peak

[fading sphinx]

uh

[tribal robin]

7.5 is butt because i hate seasonal events

[fading sphinx]

so is every other .0 update

[tribal robin]

but the events tab is peak

[small ruin]

if slop is what brings them money then- why wouldent they keep on doing it😭 your legit asking them to not make money-

[fading sphinx]

8.0 was good

ye

le point

they want new people to start the game

[tribal robin]

no beating a stage 100 times for the main secret
all units could be obtained in 3-4 or so hours
units were good
shit ton of rerolls

literally cant get better than this

[fading sphinx]

since the last few updates were such low player count and difficult they definitely wanted new people to join with an easier time

same

i come back for events

and that’s it

[tribal robin]

them making the update longer doesnt give the game more content, it just makes the grind more tedious. when they dont make the grind tedious, the update is actually amazing and doesnt feel like a slog to play.

[fading sphinx]

and im happy w that

[tribal robin]

i do wish they worked on more endgame content and not just familiar grind slop. but besides that, the updates themselves are great

[fading sphinx]

when that happened people complained

[tribal robin]

i dont know how youre so clingy to this game that you need a whole week to grind on something

find more games to play

theres no reason for us to treat av like a 9-5

[fading sphinx]

fr

hop on for a few mins a day and get 40 rerolls and go abt ur day

if u want content that takes a week to complete go play crusaders

[tribal robin]

its literally why i hate seasonal events, you have to treat it like a 9-5 or you get it by afk. i hate both of those options.

so 8.0 and 8.5 are absolutely perfect because you can get the updates done in a day or two. this is a tower defense game we're talking about, it should be casual and simple so that it can be fun

[fading sphinx]

no u don’t brah

u got like 4 months

to get the unit

😭😭

yea especially with pity it’s so much easier now

[tribal robin]

im still not doing afk (because i want to actually PLAY the fucking game) and playing the events or portals is so unnecessarily long and boring

[fading sphinx]

then skip the unit

[tribal robin]

no

[fading sphinx]

if u don’t wanna go through the grind

😭

[tribal robin]

theyre limited and i want them because no other units are better

[fading sphinx]

I don’t wanna go through the grind

so I afk

[tribal robin]

and thats why seasonal events suck ass

[fading sphinx]

not rlly

its just a free op unit

ppl like it

[tribal robin]

i want the next seasonal event vanguard to take less than 10 hours like broly

[fading sphinx]

game is fried then

[tribal robin]

the game is PEAK then actually

[fading sphinx]

we need a mix of grind that takes a while and doesn’t at the same time

some updates should take a while to complete and others shouldn’t

[tribal robin]

and thats called padding out playertime for more premium payouts not actually making fun and engaging content

[fading sphinx]

when they made fun engaging content people hated it

[tribal robin]

8.0 and 8.5 were engaging

[tribal robin]

like what? vsjw dungeon?

[fading sphinx]

cid raid and aot ex

[tribal robin]

aot ex sucks

[fading sphinx]

no it doesn’t

[tribal robin]

eren sucks

[fading sphinx]

u can complete it traitless or you can bypass it with the last update vanguard

[fading sphinx]

we talking abt the stage

not the unit

[tribal robin]

and thats the best part

[fading sphinx]

😭

[tribal robin]

you play ex for the unit

and the unit is ass

so its not even worth playing

the aot ex also sucks because its forced

[fading sphinx]

in talking abt the stage

not the unit

the stage balance was fine

[tribal robin]

would you rather play act 3 150 times for 2 erens? or 20 ex stages

thats part of the reason why the aot ex sucks, its literally forced

[fading sphinx]

bro acting like aot ex stage was like guilty gear

😭

[tribal robin]

pretty similar to it

couldnt solo it unless you had monarchs

[fading sphinx]

u could do it traitless

🥀

[tribal robin]

you couldnt on release

[fading sphinx]

u could

[tribal robin]

hard to say if you can even do it traitless right now

[fading sphinx]

they were easy

[tribal robin]

the crystal is such bullshit

[fading sphinx]

that’s abt it

ye it sucks cuase we’re gonna get slower updates aswell

especially with remodel

they can’t do that

they did

ppl just cried

hopefully they do

[tribal robin]

8.0 had:

easiest secrets to obtain
not a mandatory ex and it was actually reasonably scaled unlike the other two ex's
good units
rewarding
trials are a good addition

8.5 had:

easiest vanguard to obtain
good units
good events
dungeon isnt a slog like the last one
my only complaint is that i had no essences after i was done with the update

[fading sphinx]

since monarch is easily obtainable now

ex stage was easy if u had esconar

that’s abt it

same thing as kaguya aot ex with kaguya btw..

[tribal robin]

like escanor?

how is that not reasonably scaled

should they have scaled the ex stage to a vanguard?

[fading sphinx]

Why

He sucks

[tribal robin]

"wahhhh i beat a stage with only my top 3 unit thats scaled to be a vanguard"

are you deadass complaining about that?

[fading sphinx]

So u used a unit from update 1.1?

u couldn’t

Wat

Beserk ex stage boss has like 1m health and its traitless

[tribal robin]

just straight up lying LOOOL

[fading sphinx]

mb

that’s just false tho

[tribal robin]

youre lying because its just not possible

at all

[fading sphinx]

u can’t say probably to something blatantly false

🥀

U could not do to with sukuna either

☠️

dude we talking about when the update dropped

didn’t sukuna familar drop like

near the end

of the update

[tribal robin]

and sukuna is a top 3 unit and is scaled to a vanguard

no shit hes gonna beat it

so i dont know why youre complaining about that

[fading sphinx]

no

definitely not

[tribal robin]

yeah, no shit they would scale it to TRAITLESS

in the TRAITLESS mode

fucking idiot

[fading sphinx]

so is every other unit

[tribal robin]

he is....?

[fading sphinx]

🥹

[tribal robin]

"why are you saying broly is top 3 like hes good without a trait?"

YEAH?????

[fading sphinx]

Ok but broly is very good without a trait

[tribal robin]

thats my point

sukuna is also very good without a trait

[fading sphinx]

he is bro

just place him in the back with full aoe

[tribal robin]

i remember this guy called me a brick wall

[fading sphinx]

so why did u use him

if he’s bad for the stage

use a traitless merchant like rimuru

[tribal robin]

escanor dog walks the stage

[fading sphinx]

gg

[tribal robin]

why tf would you use rimuru

[fading sphinx]

traitless merchant

[tribal robin]

anyways the berserk ex is good

[fading sphinx]

cause esconar exists

which is fair

cause he’s easy af

not a soul is doing that besides you

[tribal robin]

i really doubt that

yeah youre not gonna be able to charge that shit for 3 minutes

[fading sphinx]

what’s the difference

if u can do it and struggle

why would u

unless u have get some sort of pleasure from struggling

but hey if that’s u then fair

it really isn’t

[tribal robin]

but youre assuming he does

when he doesnt

ok go test it

fine then i will

lazy bum

[fading sphinx]

his base damage is pretty shit iirc

[tribal robin]

ill use this team

blawg..

couldnt even get past first boss @steel parcel and youre talking about some "spirit bomb solos!"

i didnt

did you not know that each stage of griffith spawns throughout the stage?

yeah you cant beat it with goku

[midnight turtle]

b

[hybrid light]

giving obito a familar is evil

[midnight turtle]

seeing as how they're delaying giving him one im praying he's getting an evo

[sharp flicker]

so who was it this time

[midnight turtle]

wdym

[midnight turtle]

B

[midnight turtle]

bump

[midnight turtle]

1 more to 400

[tribal robin]

400 stars

[cosmic bridge]

What is this suggestion about?

[tribal robin]

obito shouldn't get a familiar because he has an opportunity for a second evolution

[cosmic bridge]

They said units with famialiar will still get a second evolution

Also the recent poll made this impossible no?

[tribal robin]

thats a statement said after the suggestion was made

[cosmic bridge]

The creator of this gotta change the title 😭

[tribal robin]

not rlly cause an evolution is much more preferable than a familiar

[midnight turtle]

No, I still stand by my point

Giving units with evo potential a familiar:
Takes away opportunities for units who actually need it
Is just inherently pointless if they're going to get evolved later
Ruins the purpose of them being to buff units without a 2nd evo
is lazy ash just drop the evo at a later date

[cosmic bridge]

I would be better if you suggest some sort of concept for the devs to go off on

It’s gonna be a while for óbito to get his evo assuming the next few updates won’t be Naruto

[midnight turtle]

By concept do you mean designing a juubito kit? Thats their job. They don't even take the passives from stuff in #1255566253683380348

[midnight turtle]

Have patience, its not like theres 0 content that entire time

[tribal robin]

i cant think of a single time where they actually take ideas from that channel 😭

as of late the only recently suggested things that are getting added or have gotten added is shiny transfer and unit familiars

[midnight turtle]

jin mori ig 😭

[cosmic bridge]

Mhm

Put something there so the dev will notice it

[midnight turtle]

?????????????????????

[cosmic bridge]

Uh

What do you not understand?

I think @crimson stone has a template you can use

Even if it’s ass

Put something

[crimson stone]

what

[tribal robin]

theres no limit to stupidity

[cosmic bridge]