Starrk Unit (Rework)

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Starrk(Passive/Unit Rework)

In my opinion the passives do NOT match the unit, I feel as if those they looked at the 2 passives they made, realized it wasn’t that strong(or unique) , and then just made the final passive (slow) to make up for it. Even then the passives aren’t that special or creative, a follow up attack, and attacks that mark that makes other attacks crit. The only decently special one is the wolves and they aren’t that crazy. Here’s my opinion on how a starrk unit would be done ( I typed cero metralleta wrong pls don’t kill me)

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[shut depot]

I’m open to suggestions

Also the range increase is by 40% for cero matrelleta (cd of it is also 120 seconds)

[small apex]

this is a really good concept

but starrk even not being a main dps

he still does a lot for a support

icl

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Starrk isn’t made for support man

[small apex]

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They really should have done a support qsue

Character

Rather than starrk

Because they realized they can’t do another heavy dps

After Jin morai

[small apex]

yea

maybe starrk was the wrong character to put on wl rn

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They should have done legit

Unohana

Would have been GREAT

(That’s if they don’t do a bleach part 2 in the future yess more bleach yes)

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[hollow dagger]

Yes pls that fr tuff and good rework

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[fossil sundial]

I need bro to be usefull

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Also guys should I make him a little stronger? What do yall think

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[high rose]

No

Cuz I said so

[hardy fox]

soul

[empty pike]

ts tuff

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[twin rivet]

Ngl, I think harribel could perfectly be the current stark

And change the wolfs for sharks 🦈

[deep ivy]

you should put this in #1255566253683380348 instead, idk a lot of about bleach but ill say:

• passive 1 is cool, because stark is a lazy person, but its also sort of bad for gameplay, his damage has to be pretty low for most of it to justify a 1.5x increase to the base, and it sucks until you get to that upper limit (which is a while after placement)

• passive 2 is kinda lame? you could make him apply different statuses based on the mode he is, they dont rly do flat increases without a caveat to it (for example new gogeta's passive to swap units which is connected to his what would be boring crit dmg and crit chance passive)

• try and include something other than just he unlocks the abilities for passive 3 (thats still connected to the abilities)

• for the abilities lily wolf is pretty cool, cero is the main thing he does (atleast in that one gif ive seen), but the description you gave doesnt make a lot of sense for it, idk how long it lasts at a base without the duration increase, what wouldve been cooler is if it changed his pattern to line (since they look like lines, maybe im wrong about that), but they'd apply a new status or something

still good tho, promise im not complaining that much, he does need a small rework but they've already said they wont do it

if u want to be even considered by valk you have to do a couple of things (which ill post below)

this is what he considers when looking at suggestions

[glad quarry]

stage suggestions are for suggesting not for critiquing. if someone posts a suggestion in here then its probably meant as commentary/attack on the current stuff in game and how to improve upon it. thats not what a stage suggestion is

some mods will disagree with me on this but who tf cares what people younger and less intelligent than me think, right

[deep ivy]

no i know, im just tryina give my thoughts on it/how he could make it more appealing to valk

i still upvoted it its good he def needs a rework

but they already said he wouldnt get one

and yeah ig, they havent removed it yet so it should be ok

[glad quarry]

they locked mine before

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Revised Starrk

Casual fighter
Ideas:

1. What if we make it that units that buff dmg/spa/rng also boost starrks buildup of dmg? Like 1% buff for a 0.1% increase to casual fighters buildup?
2. What if kills increased the rate of starrk dmg buildup by %?
3. What if units placed nearby him also buff his dmg buildup by %?

Rapid Revolving Style
Ideas:

1. Right now it doesn’t do anything other than give a flat dps/dmg increase, What if we make it work like a swap unit? Like u can swap between the two styles kinda like cid between John smith. And to make sure people would use this it would give some extra passives/statuses or lock one of his abilities to one.
2. If that’s too much (which is probably is) maybe something like a status for let’s say rapid that he applies a status effect increases summon dmg and when he swaps to powerful he applies a cripple/slow that either makes the opponent take increased dmg or slow him down
   For this passive I feel like could be interchanged with another ones of starrks traits(like him not wanting to be lonely or him arguing with Lily) but I do want to keep this passive solely because it’s something that was important in starrks fight and is lowkey cool

Show Me Your Bankai
Ideas:

1. The reason I didn’t go more into depth into this passive is because I know how the devs are and if something is too complex or takes too much work than the chances they will ever add something similar to the original decreases by 70%.(not like this suggestion has any chance either way) I originally had this idea for the passive, since he’s smart after a stun he would remember it and next time the same stun happens again he would now get stunned for 50% of the duration and it would decrease by % each time until he’s completely immune or he would dodge the attack with it increasing each time.

Cero Matrelleta
Elaboration:

The base lasts as long as on how much dmg you have built up, which means if it’s like a 40% dmg buff it lasts for 4 seconds, and what I mean by continuously non stop in sync is that you know how units even if they have 0 spa or 1 spa they still have to finish their attack to attack again? That’s completely removed and there’s no longer a break between attacks which means it doesn’t stop firing ceros until u reach ur dmg thing.

[deep ivy]

this is much better, just gotta shorten it so it’s easier to read

only issue is uh

they’re not gonna rework him

period

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I inowww Mann

they did him so bad

They just wanted to add hype unit

And when they found out they actually gotta know the source material they said fuck it let’s make his passives off of 3 second clips

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[verbal finch]

peak starrk isnt a support in the anime 🥀

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[deep ivy]

@shut depot

dont think theyre gonna give him a rework

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How is he upper meta

huh

he just went from meta support to upper mera

[deep ivy]

idk

he just is

[shut depot]

they have lost it

I’m genuinely thinking

Maybe with the familiar? The uhh green lady one?

but I tested it and it only reaches 90-100k dps (best familiar 50% crit dmg)

and since ur using the optimal familiar u also gotta consider the optimal famailirs for other units

[shut depot]

“Yeah i didn’t really bother actually watching the show and I would much rather focus on min maxxing ccu rather than put any effort into making a character that I haven’t watched somewhat unique or even interesting”

RAHHHHH

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[dense hamlet]

what the hell bro that is not what happened 😭

I hope they add an arrancar update to this

with ulq and vasto ichigo and allat

[hardy fox]

nelliel 🤤

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[slow latch]

ngl the new one is just a more boring version imo

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[small apex]

counting wolves too?

wait

what his monarch dps

with wolves + crit etc

his mechanic is kinda good tho

basically an offensive griffith demon

[hardy fox]

So would you say it's better for him to have monarch or eth/de

[small apex]

for progressive

ofc monarch

but if you use him as support

stick to solar/marks

amd you are fine

[hardy fox]

I feel obliged to get him monarch bc I love him

But I don't wanna repeat like

The same mistake as I did with my frieren where I spent a thousand rrs for it

but monarch stark 🤤🤤😛

[small apex]

idk how to feel abt starrk

i was pretty sure he would be a 3 placement meta dps

[shut depot]

They realized they couldn’t go another heavy dps right after Jin morai

Which is they’re fault since starrk is literally known for fighting 2 of the strongest captains

[hardy fox]

what happened to following the 7.5 powercreep

[verbal finch]

Starrk isn’t a support I dunno where they got that from

He’s the strongest espada for a reason

[hardy fox]

I heard the dev said stark was his second favourite bleach character in the qna..

Clearly not 💔 💔

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[timber coyote]

mine reaches 130k dps with a 40% cheelai familiar, here's the math

his main attack does 290k, divided by 6.4 (his spa) is 45k
the wolves do 290k each and there's 2, divided by 10 is 58k
his follow up attack does 174k, divide it by 6.4 is 27k

45k + 58k + 27k = 130k

[shut depot]

huh

Still isn’t upper meta tho

[timber coyote]

what are you actually talking about rn

if jin mori is still upper meta then starrk 100% is

[shut depot]

This is with a optimal familiar

Most of the units in upper meta that are below him

Do 100k dps normally

Give them a good bird and yeah

They leave starrk behind

[timber coyote]

all of them are listed as having birb including starrk tho

[shut depot]

yeah which is weird since he ISNT that good

Meta support

100%

Upper meta?

no

[timber coyote]

he really IS that good

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for slow yes

[timber coyote]

for the same price jin mori does 68k dps starrk does 130k

[shut depot]

People will just use him

To place him down

For slow

And that’s it

Starrk being a support will never ever make sense

Also 100k cost

don’t forget

[timber coyote]

he's not a support he just has a slow

[twin jungle]

that seems too low for jin

[timber coyote]

it's random but he's still a dps

[shut depot]

his slow is his defining trait

remove his slow and he’s

Nothing

[timber coyote]

jin mori does more when he's maxed out with all his clones

but if you only upgrade the main body which costs 100k

and upgrade starrk who also costs 100k

that's what it is

[twin jungle]

ok2 i understand

[shut depot]

don’t forget the clones do get cheaper

and tje

Cost to dps ratio

[timber coyote]

ytep but they still cost 200k

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Is exponential

[timber coyote]

in total

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worthy for 200k dps

[timber coyote]

keep in mind starrk's wolves hit anywhere on the screen in an AoE

for 58k dps alone

that's pretty insane

[shut depot]

starrks wolves aren’t map wide?

[timber coyote]

yes they are gang

[twin jungle]

without counting buff for jin. Starkk seems better dps wise

[timber coyote]

they hit the first unit even outside his range

if they're marked

[shut depot]

People would much rather use his slow

his slow is

Why did they make the slow so insane

[timber coyote]

[shut depot]

auditions

starrk SHOULDNT BE A SUPPORT

I wil DIE on this hill

[timber coyote]

i think the intended way to use him is

[shut depot]

He gets all his passives on placement

[twin jungle]

without monarch is starkk viable?

[timber coyote]

you line him up with the path and set him to last, he slows all the units in a line

[shut depot]

Support yes

[timber coyote]

and then the wolves kill leaks

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dps yeah good luck

[timber coyote]

you are genuinely coping

he's a great dps

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He costs 400k to max

without monarch

[twin jungle]

is the mark permanent?

[shut depot]

yes

[timber coyote]

yes it is

[shut depot]

I’m not talking about a starrk buff I’m talking about a redo

[timber coyote]

why are we bringing up no monarch stuff? that doesn't change how much a single placement does? 4 placements just means he has a higher damage cap

[twin jungle]

so after being marked the wolf will attack till the enemy die?

[shut depot]

4 olacements and a crit mechanic usually means it would be better to go for deadeye (like Dante)

But since he’s so

Expensive

[timber coyote]

yep from anywhere on the map

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U HAVE to go monarch

if u want to use him

[timber coyote]

i don't know why people keep saying this, you don't need deadeye

he has 100% crit rate

ethereal should be better

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Extra crit dmg

it’s 35% more

[timber coyote]

not enough

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Give him the green lady

[twin jungle]

chilli is good enough imo

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and he’s good if he wasn’t so expensive

[timber coyote]

he's not expensive bro

[timber coyote]

monarch effects units the same across the board if we're just talking about a single placement

if he's better than jin mori with monarch he's also better than him without it

[twin jungle]

can the wolf slow too?

[timber coyote]

no the only thing that slows is his follow up attack

[twin jungle]

cool

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hes 4 placement

[timber coyote]

he sure is

jin mori costs 600k in that case

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and so with his passive

[timber coyote]

what a bad unit huh

[shut depot]

it’s intended for u usually

To place him down

For his slow

[timber coyote]

just because you CAN spend that much on a unit doesn't mean you have to

[twin jungle]

wait isn’t jin 1 placement?

[shut depot]

100k for sum like 95k dps with no familiar isn’t good

[timber coyote]

idk i don't use him

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For UPPER meta

[timber coyote]

my point is if you want to say starrk isn't upper meta then you have to move like 8 units down

[timber coyote]

if you aren't using cheelai you're selling, she's so easy to get

[shut depot]

Guts and jin morai are much better if u actually WANT dps

Use starrk for slow

and that’s it

focus ur money on the units that are meant to dish out 200k dps

[timber coyote]

guts costs more to max out and does less dps

unless you're in berserker armor

which is limited

[shut depot]

yeah and most waves are 15 so he’s still insane for boss killing

he also has

[timber coyote]

i'm not saying starrk is the best unit of all time

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Full aoe

Bleed

[timber coyote]

i'm just saying

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Lots of dps

[timber coyote]

he definitely deserves upper meta

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And

Synergy

[timber coyote]

and it's still less than starrk

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he’s full AIE

aoe

[timber coyote]

starrk is half aoe

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Yeah half

[timber coyote]

nearly the same thing if you place him well

[shut depot]

Most gamemodes are 15/20 waves

U just use

The beserkee

And boom

Ur finished

[timber coyote]

if we're using this logic then let's move every unit except for sukuna out of upper meta

why use anyone else

[shut depot]

cause.. u have 6 slots?

Just use

Starrk for slow

End of discussion

[timber coyote]

bro ignored all my points and said end of discussion 😭

you have an anti starrk agenda that's fine ig bro

[shut depot]

bro he just isn’t good man

For upper mera

he’s insane as a support

But for dps? No

[timber coyote]

can you listen to me gang

he has his merits

[shut depot]

listen man no gamemodes hard enough for us to

Argue this much

unless ur talking about gg

(We don’t talk about that

[timber coyote]

yeah you're right

but he is objectively

comparable to others in upper meta

even if he isn't better

if we want to talk about frauds in upper meta yhwach is right there

[timber coyote]

industry plant ahh unit

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Fullbringer ❤️

[shut depot]

They keep releasing units

That keep buffing yhwach

let it go

[timber coyote]

yhwach is the cope pick for if you don't have any new monarchs

[shut depot]

freeza and Giselle like he’s been meta longer than saber

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He’s gonna last into cour 4 drops

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How does frieza buff him

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Cadets

[timber coyote]

12 placements

[modest ore]

Ahh

Yea i see

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he does

With Giselle abd

Freeze

150 range

150k dps without double attack

[timber coyote]

yeah idc he's bad

he's a support actually

he should be in meta support

[modest ore]

Hes cope unit

Still not shit but not upper meta imo

[shut depot]

yhwach glazers after all the units in uppera meta gets nerfed and he finally moves into a new tier called “cope”

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[wispy knoll]

This gonna make him worse

💔

[shut depot]

He does 66k dps with the Passives but his main focus is on his 2 actives

cero metrella is devesating

While lilys wolves is a easy summon like
Vsjw

granted I should
Have made lilys wolves a little stronger

[wispy knoll]

ggs

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but I can’t edit the image for
Some reason

[wispy knoll]

your cookjed

[shut depot]

dude

it’s okay

imma just mind my business

[wispy knoll]

Starkk splash dmg might be one of the best things

Your removing his biggest source of damage

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u literally have lilys wolve and cero metrella to cover that up

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[blazing garnet]

For the first passive make it 5% increase every wave to a max of 200%, and for the revolving style I think it should be a swap meter, not every 2 attacks but every like 10/12 or however long it takes to swap

After that I feel like he’s good

Although the wolves are kinda not needed

Maybe you could make it like a Yamamoto thing? Or a mix of gots and Yama, so every third or fifth unit he kills he spawns a wolf that does like 50/100% of his dmg

[lucid timber]

Starrk broken idk what yall on✌️

[blazing garnet]

Isn’t he like

Mid

Like beyond mid

Also why’s he a support

[shut depot]

u mean remove the ramp up and add the 5%?? thats horrible and make it so that u cannot use it any progressive modes

and also voids lilys wolves

and for the

swap thing

i DID have the same idea

but then i realized the devs are probably too busy/bothered to make it like that

so thats why i didnt include it

[blazing garnet]

It’s the same thing but instead of 2% per second it’s 5% per wave

In 15 wave modes he’d get a 25% dmg buff

Kinda like broly with his 5% crit increas per wave up to 95% yk

And the swap meter is sorta needed considering anything else is kinda worthless

[shut depot]

dude

thats NOT good

he would do smthg like

30k dps

40*

no wait

[blazing garnet]

I think giving him a 1.5 dmg buff in about 2/3 minutes is insane

[shut depot]

he wouldnt do that

[shut depot]

he goes from smthg like

20k dps

to 66k

thats NOT insane

most units nowadays

do 100k

normally

[blazing garnet]

This is on top of the other passives and stuff he has

We could also just increase his base dmg

[shut depot]

he does 88k dps with revolving

still not crazy

for sa

wordline

dont forget

jin morai

doing 150-200k

dps

[blazing garnet]

Idk

I feel like that would be more balanced

[shut depot]

no dude nobody would use him

he would be

worse

then he is now

[blazing garnet]

Ion think anyone uses him now gang

Is he even that bad fr?

[shut depot]

so

[blazing garnet]

I know he’s like mid at best but

[shut depot]

this might

be a little crazy

[blazing garnet]

This mf is NOT upper meta

Above Jin mori????

[shut depot]

his slow

i still do not know

how hes up there

he does like

all combined

108k dps?

[blazing garnet]

Jin mori was debated being better than Escanor

And honestly speaking he is

Considering passives and shit

How the fuck is the Ming or Gogeta above him

Gogeta needs a whole team to be good and well the king is fair tbh

[lucid timber]

Jin mori is NOT better than escanor

Shit was never a debate 😭💔

Y’all just don’t understand starkk

He broken 😭✌️

[long ridge]

Rework after the unit came out a week ago??

[shut depot]

read the text i said before the images

[lucid timber]

All his passives are very strong

You just ain’t understand the unit ✌️

And they fit starkk 😤

[shut depot]

hes mainly used for support

100k cost is crazy

and u get all the passives

on placement

also 4 placement

without the slow he does like

108k dps with monarch and the BEST BEST familar

that is NOT upper meta

[clear garnet]

Does wolves hit all marked enemys or just the ones in the front?

[shut depot]

the wolves have a small circle aoe

and it hits

any

marked enemy

every 10 seconds

[clear garnet]

So there spawns two pair of wolves only at the one enemy that is near the base

[shut depot]

im not sure on how the wolvesd work

i think its like

2 wolves

[clear garnet]

Me too dont have him yet

[shut depot]

for ech

enemy

so

[clear garnet]

That would be insane then

[shut depot]

10 enemies 20 wolves? but can the wolves

do thje wolves

have a aoe?

cause

i have see npeople say it

[clear garnet]

All his showcases are rushed

[shut depot]

but im not sure

yup

we need that

one guy back

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BOMOP

[chilly atlas]

They do but doesn’t matter

It’s the size of Vergil’s follow up attack

[shut depot]

oh

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[chilly atlas]

I think it’s fine anyways

Could’ve been worse

Like single target

[lucid timber]

This false twin

Ain’t accounting for wolf ✌️✌️✌️

And monarch isn’t optimal for DPS purposes

[shut depot]

nobody

is maxxing out

4

400k

100k*

cost units

[lucid timber]

Sure buster brown

Whatever floats your cope ✌️

[timid quarry]

So his wolves explode with full dmg

[chilly atlas]

Yeah and they crit always

They also got inf range

[timid quarry]

So infinite dmg if u use zeke aizen and byken

[hexed gale]

I think it’s not a matter of “the unit is buns” but more so that it kinda sucks the way they went with the unit

Imagine if cid did good damage and his atomic was just a all map buff

[shut depot]

they release dioh

and its

a 5

placement

support

that applies

rapture

[hexed gale]

Nah too op

Make it buff bleed

[shut depot]

give it 60% slow for 67 seconds

[clear garnet]

Dont forget they cost 100k+ each

[hexed gale]

Nah better yet make dio do regular burn, and eth is his best trait while also giving him abysmal raw damage so people could factcheck newbies because they don’t “read passives” (he’s still buns)

[shut depot]

make dio ohs reality overwrite apply 99% slow on placement

and make his ts buff unit dmg by 40%

[hexed gale]

Don’t even make the timestop stop time just make it reduce his spa

[clear garnet]

10k placement cost

[shut depot]

js make it so hes worse with monarch

[shut depot]

B

[shut depot]

b

[shut depot]

b

[shut depot]

b

[shut depot]

b

[shut depot]

b

[shut depot]

b

[shut depot]

B

[shut depot]

B

[shut depot]

b

[shut depot]

B

[shut depot]

B

[left aspen]

Man give it up

They talked abt it in stage

It aint happening 😭

[lucid timber]

We acting like starkk ain’t really good 😭✌️

[modest ore]

b

b

b

b

[verbal finch]

b