The Great Noticing

[north ginkgo]

Brother the only units with more is smith juiced or Jin Mori with his clones sold

Yeah bro we all agree Ragnaw is meta right?

[grim grotto]

Sukuna guts escanor Jin mori and I forgot who else

[north ginkgo]

SUKUNA????

HELL NO BUDDY

[limpid bane]

ESCANOR????

[grim grotto]

I’ll send you the calculation if you want

[north ginkgo]

I mean sure I dunno how he gets over 200k

[smoky sage]

is it bad i have sukuna escanor and jin mori monarch 🐷✌️

[limpid bane]

sukuna is 100% more but escanor sure is shit aint

[north ginkgo]

Are we saying NO support?

[wintry hinge]

are u blind? i literally send a ss

[north ginkgo]

Or are we including support

[grim grotto]

as long as you’re playing difficult content with new enemies that can take 1 hour he does more

[wintry hinge]

bro cant read

[grim grotto]

He does I’ve personally tested it and others

[north ginkgo]

Aye bro what wave was that

I already did DPS calc's for units

[limpid bane]

yeah i dont believe ts but ig so

[grim grotto]

If you’d like we can go in vc and I can show you in screenshare

[wintry hinge]

sandbox

[limpid bane]

jin mori is a no

his dps is 200k at best

[grim grotto]

If you don’t believe me I can screenshare it to you and show you it live

[limpid bane]

nah but my goat gogeta getting top broken like he should

[civic halo]

doesn't he do like 800k dps blod

[grim grotto]

Depends on the boss but broly cannot maintain his peak dps indefinitely

[wintry hinge]

broly has no features besides dps, and not being the best at it aint helping, units like kaguya have a lot of features to compensate dps

[grim grotto]

No lol not alone

[limpid bane]

jin mori does not do 800k dps tf?

[civic halo]

fuck whoever lied to me bro

[north ginkgo]

Woah what

800k?

On Sukuna?

[limpid bane]

no unit cracks 800k

[limpid bane]

jin mori

[grim grotto]

With his group category buff he can do 30% extra

[north ginkgo]

Jin Mori does NOT get to 800k woah what

[grim grotto]

so yes he does outdps broly in most cases

except for broly on one single wave

Broly can outdps jin mori for 2 waves actually then he loses his domain

[limpid bane]

depends tho because broly honestly honestly is cheaper than him

[north ginkgo]

Jin Mori with all of his clones having Smith SPA Buff + Main Jin Mori having Gogeta 50% Crit Buff + Smith Master Work SPA

How do you make this 800k?

[grim grotto]

yeah that is true he’s just not a good dps though he’s just a unbound buffer

[limpid bane]

yall think i can solo crusaders raid act 5?😭

[grim grotto]

good sub dps for a buffer though really meta

[civic halo]

clones or sum dawg idk sum1 lied to my ahh

[north ginkgo]

Brother Broly NEVER out DPS's Jin Mori

[grim grotto]

It’s too bad broly gets stunned and doesn’t recover quick like mori

[limpid bane]

ikr

[grim grotto]

On 13/15 waves of his domain he can

[cyan pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1291141058650046547/1418368696136630414/image.png?ex=68cdde49&is=68cc8cc9&hm=9119b6e5cc8a75120243920c895162313c7f92d52744f18bd57a05e61cee75e3&

[grim grotto]

After 15th wave he loses his domain and can’t

[north ginkgo]

Ok look back at the SC I posted.

[grim grotto]

so broly can outdps Jin mori for w waves only

[eternal phoenix]

😭

[north ginkgo]

That's 1 Jin Mori clone at 125k DPS

[eternal phoenix]

they got zion too

[north ginkgo]

x3 is 375k

[grim grotto]

We are talking about no buffs

[north ginkgo]

Is Broly hitting 400k DPS?

Ohhh

Ok

I see

[grim grotto]

only category buff from jin mori because he usually has it

the 30% increase from first passive

[barren fjord]

Waiter waiter... 500 redesigns please!

[limpid bane]

honestly deadeye broly feels better than monarch but it really aint

[grim grotto]

Waiter why is my hyped unit meant to be a powerhouse a meta support who is a stun fraud

[eternal phoenix]

game is cooked🥹

[tender lintel]

💔 ppl coping deadeye is purely inf bro

[north ginkgo]

"hyped unit" bro its DBS Broly

You got plenty of DBS Broly content

[grim grotto]

?

[north ginkgo]

What

Do you l ike DBS Broly?

[civic halo]

what

[limpid bane]

imagine him and deadeye dante in a tournament my lord

[civic halo]

i was hyped for this

[north ginkgo]

Do you not play any official dragon ball games?

Literally of them have been spamming DBS Broly recently

[teal sluice]

broly propaganda is insane

[grim grotto]

I don’t

[north ginkgo]

Xenoverse is doing DBS Broly

[limpid bane]

legends has not

[north ginkgo]

Dokkan just did DBS Broly

[north ginkgo]

THANK GOD

[limpid bane]

legends hates broly i swear

[vale osprey]

What

[north ginkgo]

As it should i'm tired of that losers face

[grim grotto]

Lies

[north ginkgo]

I was screaming in VC when I saw Broly beat up Vegeta

[grim grotto]

Number 1 broly hater

[smoky sage]

which of my monarchs are good and which are just quick sell someone help me

[vale osprey]

Archer

[grim grotto]

?

[vale osprey]

Delete the rest

[grim grotto]

keep them all

[vale osprey]

✌️

[eternal phoenix]

all good except archer

[limpid bane]

all are good but archer is a inf unit tbh

blast support

[teal sluice]

dont sell any and they all good except archer

[grim grotto]

Nah he will get a vanguard familiar in fate update 29

[teal sluice]

archer only good for inf with marksman

[eternal phoenix]

yeah we never seeing update 29🥹

[north ginkgo]

Yeah obviously Archer is the best one here

[limpid bane]

no deadeye hes a crit unit

[teal sluice]

do u even do inf

[limpid bane]

he's literally crit based gng

[teal sluice]

hes only used for support

[limpid bane]

yes im ragebaiting

[teal sluice]

his domain is based on his range

his only use is domain

marksman is best for inf

[tender lintel]

powercreep

[limpid bane]

blast support so literally just cid but gogeta now ig

[tender lintel]

😭

[north ginkgo]

Acting like Broly's being used for infinite

[limpid bane]

ykw deadeye is the bedt trait ig

[teal sluice]

not just blast

[teal sluice]

hes not

[tender lintel]

avc

avx>

[limpid bane]

i use him since i have deadeye and he melts bosses

[grim grotto]

Is it bc of the a word?

[teal sluice]

mooik paying me

[grim grotto]

can I not say acc

Our

[smoky sage]

account

[teal sluice]

kid

[grim grotto]

Oust

[tender lintel]

The hidden dev is paying me his house

[teal sluice]

its plural kid

[tender lintel]

[grim grotto]

ohhh

[teal sluice]

ask kamui to inv me to av x

[north ginkgo]

Broly the bum not getting anywhere near top 12

[teal sluice]

im curious if its js for the tag

[tender lintel]

cant di

do

[vale osprey]

Where am I getting max of every essence for broly tho 😭

[tender lintel]

its exclusive

[vale osprey]

Finished the quest and I’m just stuck here

[teal sluice]

bug hunter only?

[tender lintel]

no

just

[vale osprey]

Started the update with 1mil gold and im at 300k left ✌️

[tender lintel]

exclusive

[teal sluice]

alr

[pure mulch]

i had to dismantle a lot of rainbows

[tender lintel]

its not evem good looking

💔

[vale osprey]

I did that for gogeta

I got nothing left 😭

[pure mulch]

rip

[vale osprey]

Forced to do half hourly essence challenge

[hallow stirrup]

Thats crazy

[summer sundial]

THEY GOT FRIREN 💔

[vernal onyx]

yes

and some others

[coral thunder]

Finally

Jeez

[gaunt hollow]

Buff Keyholder role

[smoky sage]

super bro...here....we...GO

[coral thunder]

Man

[eternal phoenix]

the remodels we're about to get🔥🔥

[coral thunder]

its tempting

to post something rn

but i know DAMN WELL that mod is gonna ban me

for hate speech or something

[smoky sage]

send it in dms then

[eternal phoenix]

could it be worth

[vernal onyx]

wtf is keyholder 😭

[coral thunder]

True...

[coral thunder]

idk man

Ion trust it

[gaunt hollow]

aura role

[coral thunder]

If shit gets leaked and he finds out it was me

im toast

[vernal onyx]

that explains a lot

[coral thunder]

Specially with that short temper of his

[smoky sage]

why would anything get leaked

we both are not that active here brotosome

[coral thunder]

True

[vernal onyx]

he just leaked it to me

[stray wasp]

ngl with the jjk units getting revamps can we just get vanguard sukuna or a yuji evo 🥺

[coral thunder]

I will have to mention that what i created was not meant to be taken as hate speech or rage. It is simply a mere idea that popped into my mind mid creation of description sheets for certain units.

[gray turtle]

yuji looks good but sukuna hair sucks 😭

[stray wasp]

they "technically" aren't the same characters

I like sukuna's design it's just the hair that throws me off

[coral thunder]

Such creations such as ;

[stray wasp]

starkk is underwhelming cuz he doesn't do enough to warrant him having low damage to cost efficiency

or just low dmg in general

A 50% slow for 20s is really strong but he still feels underhwelming

[coral thunder]

his low damage is justified

Since he always crits after 1 hit

And follows up after said crit

[stray wasp]

how much do crits do normally

[coral thunder]

So take his damage and double it before increasing it by 60%

[stray wasp]

without any famliars

[coral thunder]

oh wait no

[stray wasp]

+.5x?

[coral thunder]

Yeah i think it was that

[vernal onyx]

Actually

[coral thunder]

or 1.25x

[stray wasp]

isn't the followup half dmg

[vernal onyx]

We can get now vanguard jjk units holy peak

[stray wasp]

I mean it's still def higher than the dmg seems

[coral thunder]

60% damage

Thing is

[eternal phoenix]

is he better slow than weather report?

[coral thunder]

He spawns 2 wolfs that deal full damage

[stray wasp]

robably won't happen due to vnaguard familiars existing

[coral thunder]

to enemies

[coral thunder]

Yes

[stray wasp]

bugged rn iirc

[eternal phoenix]

damn

[stray wasp]

maybe im wrong I havent hopped on after getting starkk

[vernal onyx]

:(

[vernal onyx]

there is better slow than 50% for 30 seconds?

[slate kestrel]

[vernal onyx]

I mean, not the sukuna or gojo there are also other jjk units that can be vanguard

[slate kestrel]

why are we

saying starrk is good

[eternal phoenix]

seem so

[slate kestrel]

weather has the same %

[vernal onyx]

ah

[coral thunder]

Doesnt work on bosses

Also ion want to hear

The opinion of someone who doesnt even play the game

[tiny quest]

yuji vanguard

[slate kestrel]

So?

wait, did my message get deleted

[vernal onyx]

yes

I saw it getting deleted

[coral thunder]

Yeah go ahead and tell me one time you died by an enemy

And not a boss

[livid tiger]

What do these dam dice do

[eternal phoenix]

give corruption 3 or 4

[coral thunder]

Guarantees a C3/C4

on a familiar of choice

[torn bluff]

do you get to chose

[livid tiger]

Lame

[eternal phoenix]

they are cool but if it's something extremely rare doesn't seem too good

[torn bluff]

Between 3 and 4

[livid tiger]

How rare?

[vernal onyx]

rare

so stark can slow bosses?

[coral thunder]

Rare enough to tell people not to try and get it

[livid tiger]

Seems diabolically not that useful

[coral thunder]

Correct!

!!!

[vernal onyx]

I mean weatherman has bubbled and stark has boss slow both are good Id say and its up to you which one you use

[coral thunder]

Allat gatekeeping until someone gets it just for it to be familiar folly but slightly better

[stray wasp]

ehhhh who tho

[vernal onyx]

who what

[stray wasp]

like who would be a good vanguard evo from the update who is already ingame

yuji ig?

[vernal onyx]

ah

[stray wasp]

like he evos into a todo + yuji?

[vernal onyx]

yes I assume

I only watched anime didnt read manga

[stray wasp]

oh in that case spoilers nvm

[slate kestrel]

yes, he can

[vernal onyx]

I dont even know what todo yuji means so its fine

[slate kestrel]

but that shit doesn't really amtter

[stray wasp]

todo aoi with yuji was a swap character

[slate kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-yuji-itadori-yuji-itadori-gif-1288910168240150136

[stray wasp]

most fun 2s team comp in aba btw

Im a todo demon

[eternal phoenix]

yuta

[vernal onyx]

oh I mistaken yuji with yuta

[eternal phoenix]

he got a cool ass skillset

[slate kestrel]

for the record, It doesnt matter whenever if I do not play the game or not but starrk having the best slow doesnt justify him enough to actually use him. why would anybody use him over weather who provides better value? in term of stalling boss i'd rather just use kata since he can stun, slow, and teleport, while stark can't do two things kata can do. @coral thunder

[slate kestrel]

lol

yuta?

[stray wasp]

I said already ingame but yeah in the future yuta would be cool

[slate kestrel]

uhhh there are like

way better options

[eternal phoenix]

ohh

[stray wasp]

warm take is higuruma

[slate kestrel]

higuruma uh

there's not much to give him

[hidden tide]

to that i say
just make the familiars part of the evo requirement

[stray wasp]

I would say that too but with how the famliar is currently obtained that's at least a 10 day grind

[eternal phoenix]

megumi and grade three curse
and when he spawns he gets slammed like broly vanguard animation

[stray wasp]

assuming new players havent gotten is yet

[hidden tide]

then they rework how you get it when the evo drops

[stray wasp]

atp just make it the evo item ngl

[hidden tide]

true

[vernal onyx]

yes please

[hidden tide]

i also wonder if sukuna and gojo's new shinies will be manga styled

[stray wasp]

april fools unit alongside the critically acclaimed suggestion of a roku dark famliar

[slate kestrel]

it won't be

we barely saw sukuna wearing anythinga

gojo could be anything but def not sukuna

[rich robin]

that is NOT

sukuna

😠

[vernal onyx]

propably

[hidden tide]

and what does that have to do with being in a manga style?

[slate kestrel]

uh bro

[vernal onyx]

is bro serious

[slate kestrel]

i can't tell if ur slow

[coral thunder]

Primo ; it does. You were the same person saying ALOT of incorrect stuff about units just based on stats, ignoring passives completely
Dos ; 100% people WILL be bringing starrk over WR in tourny/infinite/stages where you STRUGGLE against bosses, which is 90% of the time in this game
Trio ; As good as katakuri is, its a 30% slow with a 2 second stun (Which is locked on his puddle) why would i use him when i can bring a 50% slow that'll give me much more value than a 2 second stun

[vernal onyx]

but he's right

[slate kestrel]

not for sukunaw

[vernal onyx]

wdym

[hidden tide]

buddy the other one was toji

[slate kestrel]

tell me what else has he worse apart from his robes, megumi's clothes?

[hidden tide]

not gojo

[slate kestrel]

toji is a homeless person

you could basically give him ANYTHING

[rich robin]

wait i dont get it

[vernal onyx]

what is bro talking about

[rich robin]

if they can simply just

redesign the character

[hidden tide]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOJO AND SUKUNA HERE

[rich robin]

why cant they jsut make a double evo for him

[slate kestrel]

he's asking if sukuna remodel could involve manga styles

[slate kestrel]

??

yeah

i'm talking about sukuna here

[vernal onyx]

yes manga artstyle

[coral thunder]

Oh yeah lets not forget katakuri's stun is 20 seconds after he attacks

Kinda random

💔

[slate kestrel]

before I say something lemme ask this

[stray wasp]

I wonder what gojo ends up looking like

[slate kestrel]

have you guys ever read jjk?

culling games arc etc

shinjuku?

[stray wasp]

they made sukuna look like the average ucla asian

[stray wasp]

dude it's been forever everytyhing past the final arc has been mush in my brain

[rich robin]

why cant they make a double evo for sukuna if they can just completely change him

[stray wasp]

too busy reading kagurapeakchi

[slate kestrel]

they can't do double evo either

[stray wasp]

they might just not rn

[hidden tide]

they havent said they cant

[slate kestrel]

idk what u mean by double evo

heian era or megumi version

[stray wasp]

they JUST buffed him so I doubti t

[vernal onyx]

But what does artstyle has to do anything with what he wears 💀 he can even wear hat but the anime and manga artstyle are different

[rich robin]

they did say they couldnt

but now they can just completely change him

[slate kestrel]

How are they supposed to do manga artstyle if he actually wore only two things in the manga?

[rich robin]

andd its ok?

[north ginkgo]

Why bother making a Evo around copyright OC stuff when you can spend 5 minutes making a EZA/Familiar that makes him just as good as he would be with said evo.

[stone surge]

This dmca situation is so annoying to whoever leaked ts. The devs can't even focus on fixing more bugs.

[north ginkgo]

That's so much dev work wasted when the average player prefers option 2

[rich robin]

the evo would make him last way lonegr

[vernal onyx]

You clearly dont know what the artstyle means

[rich robin]

the familiar was compensation for the fact they coulddnt

[north ginkgo]

If He evo'd and had the exact same stats as he did right now he'd be recieved well

[hidden tide]

they couldnt give him a double evo before because that was when he was still sukuna and they were under the impression they wouldnt get dmca'd as long as they didnt add anything new from jjk
now that they're being forced to turn him into their own design who says they cant give him a second evo

[slate kestrel]

explain it to me pls

they've given him everything

manga wise

the robes which is basically megumi's version..?

[rich robin]

but im talking abt why they ddidnt do it in the first place if they couldve just changed the entire unit

[stray wasp]

I think they SHOULD give him a double evo just not anytime soon

[slate kestrel]

they also can't give him arms either

[rich robin]

me too

[slate kestrel]

since that's just making it too obvious

[stray wasp]

let his famliar marinate for a bit and come back to jjk way later down the line

gojo and sukuna are already insanely meta

[vernal onyx]

the way he's drawn, like cartoonish or jojo style or even pixar style, thats the artstyle

[stray wasp]

also the surprise reveal of his famliar was what got me back into av

[rich robin]

what if they just remove the familiar and give 100 rerolls/pheonix shards as a reward

then add the double evo

[stray wasp]

or just give the "red key" evo equivalent of the sukuna evo

where u still gotta do the other stuff

it still saves you the time needed for grinding

[rich robin]

wait i hadd a better idea

[vernal onyx]

they just will do other vanguard unit not the gojo sukuna

[rich robin]

you have to sacrifice the familiar

[crude dawn]

[slate kestrel]

in tounrey you can't use starrk if they just add immunity card so not really valid
infinite is just nukes so I don't think it really matters a lot

[stray wasp]

again anything that would require the familiar in it's current state is a bad idea

[slate kestrel]

even if you do bring starrk I don't think you will be able to

[rich robin]

it makes sense cuz u have to eat it anyways

[stray wasp]

that's 10 days of grinding for 1 ingredient

[slate kestrel]

starrk might lag the fuck out of the game with his wolves constantly popping up every 10s

[rich robin]

literally everyone has it

[slate kestrel]

especially with his 4 placement

[coral thunder]

???
No way you used both arguments

[stray wasp]

think abt hte future

[coral thunder]

that apply to literally any support

Also just saying

[stray wasp]

what are we doing

[rich robin]

yeah they warned people it'd be way more annoying

[coral thunder]

it tells you never tried to be on inf LB

[slate kestrel]

support?

what do you defines as a support

[coral thunder]

The meta is cid+alot of slow/stuns

[stray wasp]

yeah and they also didn't expect to even get copyrighted this hard

[coral thunder]

The goal is to chain high switch cid nukes

for as long as possible

[slate kestrel]

lol

[coral thunder]

Reason why starrk will 100% be used

[slate kestrel]

and no rumbling is in here?

[coral thunder]

to stall bosses

[rich robin]

does this copyright

like

[slate kestrel]

rumbling was used in previous season

[coral thunder]

Its garbage

[rich robin]

mean they can do jjk again

[coral thunder]

Straight up useless except tourny

[slate kestrel]

so why was it used

[rich robin]

since they can completely change the units

[slate kestrel]

previous season

[stray wasp]

not confirmed but it's possible

[rich robin]

like if we go the ad route

[slate kestrel]

wtv you won the argument saying i don't do lb runs when ur not in the av comp server either

[coral thunder]

[stray wasp]

av comp server

im crine

[coral thunder]

Yeah like hell your in there!

[slate kestrel]

it's the only comp server,

developers are also in it,

[rich robin]

bro

are we fucking serious

TODU IS THE EXACT SAME

😭

TODO**

[hidden tide]

who even uses todo

[rich robin]

todo looks like a monk

[hidden tide]

also why are they just making EVERYONE SHIRTLESS

not that its a problem i just find it funny

[stone surge]

They were clothed b4.

[rich robin]

because

[keen iron]

gojo next

[rich robin]

they wear

[keen iron]

cant wait

[rich robin]

like no other clothes

[stray wasp]

can they give todo a cosmetic finally?

his effect looked so sick but u can't equip it

[stone surge]

SHIRTLESS GOJO 🤤🤤🤤🤤

[limpid bane]

LIVING IN THE REAL WORLDDDDD

[young compass]

They just took the tachyon and haru from the game rn

[keen iron]

not shiny ':rose

[rich robin]

if they promise

i mean

[limpid bane]

give me shiny hunter then

[keen iron]

im broke

[slate kestrel]

wl players does

[rich robin]

if its genuinely possible that double evos for jjk units can come out as long as they look incredibly different

[slate kestrel]

i don't do wl but he's important

just for the comp gamemodes

[rich robin]

i dont think people will care

[limpid bane]

exactly

[rich robin]

even if he looks like idk

[keen iron]

its possible that with the remodels the units themself can be changed

[rich robin]

even if he looks stupid

[keen iron]

so sukuna could get buffed without familiar or vanguard evo 🤤

[stray wasp]

I just wanna see what gojo looks like

[eternal phoenix]

couldn't av just collaborate with the people who strikes like astd?

[vernal onyx]

money

[slate kestrel]

why would they do that?

they would need to buy the rights to the IP

they ask for 50%

[keen iron]

to not remodel / have dmca

[slate kestrel]

which isnt worth it

[keen iron]

yeah

money

[slate kestrel]

buddy

okay

[eternal phoenix]

holy shit

[slate kestrel]

this community mad stupid ngl

[vernal onyx]

its a lot of money

[keen iron]

i had you

[slate kestrel]

you want av to pay

70%

[rich robin]

i think they ask for profit from the entire game

[stone surge]

I doubt we gonna get Jjk update bcz of strict dmca. The familiars concept worked so they gonna add something like that to buff old but relevant units

[rich robin]

not the jjk units themself

since they cant really determine that

[stray wasp]

a remodel costs them maybe 1-3 hundred bucks depending on the modeller

[slate kestrel]

and that's PER company

[stray wasp]

or they lost a bunch of their profit from contractual obligations

[slate kestrel]

assuming they were to buy rights

[vernal onyx]

yea agent played 7 waves and left the game 😭

[rich robin]

it would be cool to see sukuna double evo

instead of just his vanguard familiar

[stray wasp]

gojo model looks cool

[rich robin]

i know im greedy i just want it

[hidden tide]

dang gojo design looks rad

[stray wasp]

yeah no complaints

the fact this also opens up the possibility of new jjk units is huge too

[eternal phoenix]

heian evo would be so fire

[stone surge]

This is a straight set up scheme

[rich robin]

does anyone else not like sukuna

[slate kestrel]

i don't like the hair

imo

[rich robin]

me too

[eternal phoenix]

todo redesign lowkey doesn't even look one

[vernal onyx]

I like remodel more than the og

[hidden tide]

how do they even know who the agent was

[stone surge]

Ngl They should make the hair fade red

[rich robin]

i wish they mad it black

[vernal onyx]

Idk I assume that thhe dmca they got it was said

[worldly monolith]

katakuri slows by 50% lol, also there isnt a slow lockout now meaning slow could be applied endlessly after it ends. You’d wanna choose a 50% slow w/stuns than starrk who also takes up summons cap from vsjw (the boss killer)

[hidden tide]

like "our agent (insert username here) has discovered unauthorized use of our copyright in your game, remove it now."?

[rich robin]

i mean

[coral thunder]

Starrk summons dont spawn on the path and arent considered summons

[rich robin]

i dont think this is confirmed yet

[vernal onyx]

yes

[coral thunder]

But go ahead and say whatever

Also look at that stat again

[stray wasp]

3 seconds compared to 20

[coral thunder]

And go look at katakuri's SPA rq

[worldly monolith]

yes it is, any summons counts toward the summons cap

[stone surge]

The agent playing favorites ahh. Do it with other games

[coral thunder]

Even with blitz your going in to 9 seconds

[worldly monolith]

there isn’t slow lockout, it could be applied immediately after it ends

[coral thunder]

6 seconds of NO SLOW!!!

[rich robin]

its because av is the most profitable

[coral thunder]

Your funny

[stone surge]

Yeah ik since av sells update bundles where the game profits the most

[worldly monolith]

mochi spot lol, it constantly applies slow

[hidden tide]

screw sukuna evo wheres my gojo evo that design is sick

[stray wasp]

true

[stray wasp]

ngl

[coral thunder]

Oh wow my boss has to be in this specific position for 20 seconds

to be good

[rich robin]

i think toji is still the worst

[hidden tide]

are the dev qnas recorded usually?

[coral thunder]

Also his stun is 2 seconds

theres far better out there

[eternal phoenix]

nope there are notes tho

[stray wasp]

4 placement

[hidden tide]

i wonder what the next design will be

also i find it peculiar that nezuko was the only demon slayer character that got copyrighted

[rich robin]

katakuri is three

[stray wasp]

werent we talking abt starkk?

[rich robin]

well hes talking about katakuri in that

[stray wasp]

yea toji genuinely looks like any other eboy OC you can find

the others look cool tho

[rich robin]

wait what even is he arguing about

[worldly monolith]

Katakuri, I decided to stay quiet because the dude doesn’t seems to have ever used katakuri

[rich robin]

the mocchi pool is basically permanent

on him

[keen iron]

its nto the worst

[rich robin]

the boss will perm be 50% slowed

[keen iron]

head needs a rework tho

[rich robin]

and he gets stunned

[stray wasp]

it's the head and the fact he doesn't have worn

[stray wasp]

it's him or todo

[keen iron]

todo is way too similiar

[limpid bane]

@north ginkgo

[rich robin]

todo still looks like himself

toji doesnt

[stray wasp]

well todo is also irrelevant ingame

I wish he was more usable

[hidden tide]

yeah todo has me a little worried
he seems TOO similar

[north ginkgo]

See bro just had to learn to respect him and he let you have him

[rich robin]

he stays in the slow idk what hes arguing about

[limpid bane]

gogeta was already the goat he just made his point better

[stray wasp]

vegito the better fusion tho

[worldly monolith]

yeah idk what he talking about either katakuri attacks at like 7 spa with ethereal and the maximized spa decrease. He also follows up too

[stray wasp]

vb vanguard when

[limpid bane]

gogeta drip better

[limpid bane]

after ssj4 gogeta vanguard evo

[stray wasp]

vegito is cooler tho

[limpid bane]

cockier*

[rich robin]

when did frieza do this wtf

[stray wasp]

buu was planned and he had no way of knowing Abt the time limit being shorter

he was stomping both of them

[north ginkgo]

👁️

[rich robin]

did they forget about choso

[stray wasp]

PLEASE I GOT MONARCH ON HIM FOR NOTHING

Goku monarch I spent like 700 rrs which is the 2nd most I've spent

I hit pity for vergil just for him to get powercrept

[rich robin]

its easy to see what units will be powercrept

[stray wasp]

yea but vergil

also followup was a new concept back then

doing 120k dmg to an enemy multiple times cuz they got stunned was a new high in the game

the only units that had followups were ywach and gogeta iirc

[rich robin]

when did gogeta have followups

[stray wasp]

clone

he did double his visible dmg unless the clone feinted

[limpid bane]

broly monarch can do 3 attack in a row yeah i think we doubted him too much

[stray wasp]

I didn't

even if he didn't do much dmg an 100% crit boost to GUTS AND KAGUYA is insane

but he also does insane dmg

[limpid bane]

not kaguya

[stray wasp]

I swear i saw a vid where the active worked

[worldly monolith]

I’ve been saying bro was goated (391k dps right here)

[stray wasp]

av players really didn't read

the first attack alone is guaranteed to hit for 1.6mil

[worldly monolith]

also he only attacks twice idk where u get the third from

[limpid bane]

its really 600k and check the third and second passive

[worldly monolith]

he follows up when he crits, and he also follows up when he doesn’t crit. Where does he get the third follow up

[limpid bane]

he can crit from the non crit you know that right?

[north ginkgo]

Aye man what wave is this

👁️

[worldly monolith]

his crits are guaranteed both original attack and his follow up

[worldly monolith]

maximized domain buff (15 waves after his ability)

[rich robin]

he makes 2 of the top 4 units useless

[stray wasp]

broly + cid must be insane for infs

[north ginkgo]

:(

[limpid bane]

yeah the non crit follow up can follow up if he crits

[wise maple]

Gamefam owns a bit ofastd so astd took down av trust

[stray wasp]

but he's guaranteed to crit?

[worldly monolith]

you said he attacks three times lmao

[limpid bane]

yeah thats 3 attacks dawg😭

[stray wasp]

it doesn't diminish like dante

[limpid bane]

i said he CAN attack 3 times

as in he has the ability to

[worldly monolith]

do you mean the follow up crit triggered not critting and resulting in his third follow up

that doesn’t work

[north ginkgo]

am i missing something

[rich robin]

broly

[stray wasp]

it's inherently less dmg tho cuz no crit overlap multiplier

[north ginkgo]

How does he NOT crit

[rich robin]

is the worst character

to bring

for infinites

[north ginkgo]

YO

YO

DONT CRASH OUT AGAIN LOL

[rich robin]

objectively

[north ginkgo]

THIS IS THE 5TH TIME

[wise maple]

How dies broly not crit and crut at the same to do 3 attacks lol

[limpid bane]

the not critting can follow up in to the critting one bro

[rich robin]

im tired of this broly glaze

also does reimu work even if shes burned

or do you gotta place her down

[worldly monolith]

well I haven’t tried that out but it won’t be useful since he will get 100% crit rate in the end

[limpid bane]

i seen it happen in game during a dungeon

he did max upg attack then non crit attack then crit attack

[stray wasp]

I think it's better to have 4x dmg with a single followup instead of 3 followups

[wise maple]

Broly a gogeta victim anyways who cares

[stray wasp]

yrue

true

[rich robin]

broly's an escanor victim

[stray wasp]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

[limpid bane]

no just no

[stray wasp]

what does gogeta do actually

[limpid bane]

crit demon

[wise maple]

Alot of crit ALOT

[rich robin]

escanor out dps's broly btw

[limpid bane]

i mean outside of av

thats what we meant by broly is a gogeta victim

[rich robin]

ohh

[wise maple]

Broly does like 600k dps

[rich robin]

ok

[limpid bane]

literally

[rich robin]

ill find the ss

[eternal phoenix]

monarch or deadeye?

[stray wasp]

doesn't he lose crit dmg due to passives

[limpid bane]

thats if by some way he doesnt crit

[wise maple]

Monarch

[eternal phoenix]

[limpid bane]

no he GAINS crit dmg

[stray wasp]

oh it's both

[wise maple]

Deadeyes only 1k dps better then monarch

[stray wasp]

he attacks and gains crit dmg

and he loses on placement

[vernal onyx]

deadeye broly is better tho

[limpid bane]

if you max it out properly it gets up to 4x crit

[wise maple]

Ikr that 1k dps is so much better

Game changer

[slate kestrel]

gogeta has more dps than broly

[north ginkgo]

WHAT

[stray wasp]

1k more dps for like way more money

[wise maple]

Ik

[slate kestrel]

u mean 6x

[worldly monolith]

he doesn’t get high critical damage if you don’t maximize his crit rate dude 😭 activating his ability will guarantee him to crit after 6 waves, and any crit rate above 100% will be converted to crit damage

[limpid bane]

shi he can get 10x atp

[vernal onyx]

I just cope no monarch broly 😔

[limpid bane]

good point

[rich robin]

so

[north ginkgo]

NAH WAIT

SOMEONE TELL ME

HOW BROLY GETS 600K DPS

RIGHT NOW

WHO SPREAD THIS LIE

[limpid bane]

maximizing his crit rate with monarch

[wise maple]

He could get 7.55 crit dmg but the devs maxed the crit dmg gogeta can take from 1 unit is 0.5 max

[rich robin]

broly makes 2 top 4 units useless
is useless in any stage thats 15 (aka most of the game)
useless in infs

[wise maple]

Watch mr reapers vid

[north ginkgo]

Ok so he gets TRIPPLEEEEEEEEEEEE His DPS by not having Monarch

Nah bro

[limpid bane]

no he gets more with monarch

[north ginkgo]

Its cuse it'd bug the hell out

[rich robin]

btw u need monarch on him 😭

[north ginkgo]

SO WHAT BROLY SECRETLY HAS

700K DPS

WITH MONARCH

????

[limpid bane]

ehhhh not need but needed to mximixe his dps

[eternal swan]

this is cool and all but let's make the jjk units female

[north ginkgo]

WHAT

[north ginkgo]

W Mans but moving on

[rich robin]

u need monarch

[wise maple]

You can max his dps in 15 waves game modes btw

[eternal swan]

@limpid bane just imagine a female jogo

[vernal onyx]

💀 bro get out here

[rich robin]

do tell

[eternal swan]

imagine that.

[limpid bane]

no deadeye could work too but wouldnt be as effective

[north ginkgo]

You lost me

[rich robin]

it would be terrible

[wise maple]

Place at wave 1 and do ability

[eternal phoenix]

female jogo🤤🤤🤤

[worldly monolith]

yo who the fuck calculates dps like that it’s more range and passive based

[uncut depot]

I am gonna miss my Gojo

[wise maple]

Max dps by wave 15

[eternal swan]

you were never with me to begin with.

[eternal swan]

this guy gets it

[rich robin]

wow theoretical dps vs actually testing it 😭

[north ginkgo]

Nah bro Female Gojo is free eats i'd love to see my friend suffer running him

[rich robin]

"bro why would i test it ingame when i can just see if it works in my equation"

im crine

😭

[worldly monolith]

takes damage when they leave escanor’s range btw

[slate kestrel]

1m dps

[eternal swan]

hear me out

make the jjk units female = people will actually want them even if they're not meta

[north ginkgo]

Aight 1m dps a stretch lets calm down with the bait

[stray wasp]

with awfully cropped text lol

[limpid bane]

his dps is 1k less than monarch dawg

[north ginkgo]

Getting Dokkan DEF Calc ptsd

[worldly monolith]

that’s dir, not dps

[north ginkgo]

Ok
But

[wise maple]

I still wonder of all the ppl mods are blacklisting from suggestions your surviving

[north ginkgo]

How does Broly get 700k

or 600k dps

Like how the hell

[limpid bane]

dokkans claculation hurts

[north ginkgo]

Nobody has shown me him doing that yet

[limpid bane]

hella crit rate and crit damage

[rich robin]

yeah and he costs 300k

[north ginkgo]

I just had my eyes buldge out of my skull when I saw

"yeah bro broly gets 600k dps"

LIKE WHAAAAAAAT

[limpid bane]

that doesnt matter because one would work in a 15 wave mode

[eternal swan]

no he's capped at like

[north ginkgo]

Is the crit damage in the room with us

[eternal swan]

250k

[north ginkgo]

YEAH

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT

[wise maple]

?

[eternal swan]

broly doesn't do more than 280k dps

[wise maple]

How

[eternal swan]

around that

[rich robin]

name 1 thing broly is good at that another unit isnt better at

[rich robin]

name 1 thing broly is good at that another unit isnt better at

[north ginkgo]

@wise maple AYE BUDDY

YOU SAID HE HAD 600K DPS

[slate kestrel]

you can watch the video

[north ginkgo]

SHOW ME THE PROOF

[worldly monolith]

Rupture

[north ginkgo]

I GOTTA SEE THIS

[limpid bane]

yeah hell no

[eternal swan]

?

he has less dps than sukuna

it's just a fact

are you guys stupid or ragebaiting

[stray wasp]

true

[vernal onyx]

burn slow rupture and reflect

[slate kestrel]

he does

[wise maple]

500k x 3.8 cryt dmg x 2

[limpid bane]

he has bleed with a bleed enhancing ability dawg fym

[slate kestrel]

but realistically it's less tbh

[worldly monolith]

broly has full aoe follow up

[vernal onyx]

you have now idea how crits and followups work do you

[slate kestrel]

nobody cares about full aoe

[north ginkgo]

Acting like normal regen enemies ever are a problem

[limpid bane]

vegito is lowkey useless

[slate kestrel]

usually u only need a dps for the boss

[worldly monolith]

full aoe rupture gang

[north ginkgo]

LOL TRUE

[eternal swan]

272k dps

[north ginkgo]

No bro he was my rupture for the AoT stage when I had Gogeta solo it

[limpid bane]

took away the immunity

[north ginkgo]

Vegito is king

👑

[vernal onyx]

yes add them both

[north ginkgo]

I this Broly's max possible DPS

WIthout support

[slate kestrel]

YES GOGETA IS MID

[north ginkgo]

"5.28 crit damage" yeah I know who you are

[stoic valley]

wow this is massive!

[north ginkgo]

Get that max birb off him

[limpid bane]

hes definitely getting number 1 broken tier

[north ginkgo]

lol

LOL

LOL

[coral thunder]

hol on

whats that i hear

an... aoe..?

[wise maple]

Pretty nice (398,536 dps):
(721,490 * (3.58+1.06)) / 8.4

[coral thunder]

That needs a full team?

RAGNA ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!

[slate kestrel]

full team?

uhhh

i though you play the game?

[coral thunder]

Requires a full team of deadeye units

Do you even read passives gng

[slate kestrel]

for someone who does his research well, you're so wrong on that

come back when you've done research

[north ginkgo]

BUT ITS NOT 600K

WHERES THE 600K DPS REY

[wise maple]

Round it up

[limpid bane]

no he doesnt bro tf?

[rich robin]

the video says you need deadeye on all of them

[north ginkgo]

LOL

[wise maple]

Its close bro

[slate kestrel]

u do realize if it was a full team it wouldn't be 5.28x only, right?

it'd be 2x that amount

[coral thunder]

"Takes half their crit"

[north ginkgo]

Yup because the AV Wiki makers are completely logical

[coral thunder]

Like brotato chips

[coral thunder]

Can we like actually realize what you just said

[wise maple]

My life will be beautiful when Mushy gets black listed from suggestions

[slate kestrel]

av members so dumb

they don't do research

they just assume shit

[limpid bane]

thats the wrong unit bro we talking about broly

[slate kestrel]

lol

[rich robin]

398k dps and makes 2 of the top 4 units useless btw

[coral thunder]

Hes literally talking about gogeta rn

[spice dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066803014180020404/1221011085575065640/e00e2d95-4990-4868-94f1-81e4dbf3902e.gif

[limpid bane]

please read that says fused units bro

[north ginkgo]

Wait wth

This

[coral thunder]

Was responded

[limpid bane]

you responded to a picture of broly

[north ginkgo]

@wise maple Delete this right now buddy

[coral thunder]

about this

[coral thunder]

I did not

[north ginkgo]

I see that griffith support in the background

YOU CANT USE GRIFFITH AND BROLY

ON THE SAME TEAM

[wise maple]

Its visual bug

[limpid bane]

he asked a full team for broly numbskull

[north ginkgo]

LOL

[wise maple]

Visual bug

[slate kestrel]

u can

just use griffith before hand?

get him to light form and then yk

[north ginkgo]

Yeah man i'll use both their domains by wave 15 in the Guilty gear EX stage

[limpid bane]

remove griffiths summons those shits are useless

[rich robin]

that wastes 9 rounds

[slate kestrel]

just get light form first

?/

[slate kestrel]

not 9 rounds

it's only 3

you can get light form in just two waves only

[vernal onyx]

griffin is must have in every team and you need to use him in every mode on wave 1 every time

[wise maple]

You need full 15 rounds for broly max passive

[limpid bane]

if you defend

[slate kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adsZ8EuIjq0

[wise maple]

U need to use ability first rounc

[slate kestrel]

he did it with both units

[north ginkgo]

What i'm saying is the only way to use Griffith + Broly would cause Broly's DPS to be Infinite only. Since it'd take more than 20w aves

[slate kestrel]

why cant u do the same?

[vernal onyx]

enemies aint getting to base that early

[limpid bane]

he cant be placed wave one every gamemode t you on

[slate kestrel]

you can't get broly's peak dps if the gamemode only has 15 waves

[wise maple]

Is it max dps broly?

[limpid bane]

against the summons

[slate kestrel]

so what does it matter

[slate kestrel]

impossible to get maxp dps broly

[north ginkgo]

Because in any wave 20+ gamemode Broly is unrunnable

?

[slate kestrel]

you can only get it if you place him on wave 0

[vernal onyx]

bro his demons are easy to defend 💀

[stone surge]

He's drippy. This goes im hard

[slate kestrel]

then don't place a unit till you have light form out

[limpid bane]

if you have a full aoe unit

[slate kestrel]

it's not hard

ur just lazy

[north ginkgo]

Hey man there's a bit of a difference in this DPS VS the DPS above

[vernal onyx]

Wave 2 ok my bad I meant wave 2

[slate kestrel]

griffith can defend on his own

[vernal onyx]

Sukuna

[wise maple]

[limpid bane]

you aint getting hs full aoe that quick im telling you this

[vernal onyx]

fym you get like plenty of waves for easy farming while griffin is getting set up

[slate kestrel]

axtronzeji is just rage baiting

[vernal onyx]

I see

[slate kestrel]

in the video the guy managed to defend early defense using griffith only

and he placed broly right after he got light form

[limpid bane]

i dont believe he got light in 3 waves

[vernal onyx]

like why would you place your units during eclipse and get them eaten / less damage buff 😭

[north ginkgo]

Broly in the "GG EX Stage" run caps out at 3.6 Crit DMG where as the "290k dps" Broly has 4.6 Crit damage

[wise maple]

Mushy your the master ragebater ive never seen you not get angry in a suggestions and you've proven it yourself you dont read "long" suggestions

[vernal onyx]

you get light mode before they get to your base

[slate kestrel]

no he didnt but YOU can

[north ginkgo]

That's a huge gap in Crit DMG and DPS

[slate kestrel]

if you want to

[slate kestrel]

what am I capping about

[stone surge]

Guys is SHINY Broly worth it. I'm on edge for evoing him. I have the Pelt

[slate kestrel]

i don't think i'm lying about anything here

ur just slow

that's all

you can get griffith light form in 3 waves if you use a rare unit

[wise maple]

How is this mf not blacklisted

[vernal onyx]

Sometimes mushy isnt right about stuff but sometimes he's right like right now

[slate kestrel]

"how is this mf not blacklisted"

[north ginkgo]

Hm?

I can get Griffith's fp out by wave 3?

[slate kestrel]

proceed to say i'm lying but doesnt want say which part

[rich robin]

he uses a bug or griffith is based on seconds

[slate kestrel]

yeah

[slate kestrel]

seconds

[rich robin]

and waves

[slate kestrel]

100 seconds

[north ginkgo]

How the hell does a rare unit speed up the dark eclipse

[slate kestrel]

but you can LOWER that

[vernal onyx]

waves

[limpid bane]

buff cheelai familiar its buns trust

[north ginkgo]

How

[slate kestrel]

place a rare unit

infront of the demon

[north ginkgo]

That auto ends it?

[slate kestrel]

no

it lowers the duration of how long till get it

[north ginkgo]

By how much

If i'm doing it in 3 waves that means you're saying I can place enough to lower the time by 1 / 2 waves per base / dark eclipse

Also i'd have to afford the Rare unit with Wave 1 money

[slate kestrel]

he cost 1k to place down

[north ginkgo]

Which most cost a little over 300 to place

[north ginkgo]

And he can't attack

So if I place griffith and NO farms

[slate kestrel]

u do realize

[north ginkgo]

I can place, what. 2 rares?

[slate kestrel]

u can place him on wave two right

sell wave 1 speedwagon

and boom

pop ability rq

[north ginkgo]

But then I dont get him out in 3 waves

[slate kestrel]

wait

[north ginkgo]

Cuse I started on wave 2

[slate kestrel]

wave 1 bc inf yen income

[slate kestrel]

dont you get you inf yen income in ex stage?

so YES

you can get it out by wave 3

[north ginkgo]

NO WHAT

[slate kestrel]

okay even if you don't you still can place griffith wave 2

[north ginkgo]

You start with 3K yen per wave in EX stages

1k for griffith

2k for farms (or 2k for all the rare units)

[slate kestrel]

okay wait

stop stop

dude

ur going off topic

[north ginkgo]

WHAT

[slate kestrel]

i don't see the issue ngl

[wise maple]

[north ginkgo]

LOOL

[slate kestrel]

we're talking about how fast can u get griffith to his dark form, and light form right

so why would you place his famr units

n rares

when you can just focus on spamming rare units

[north ginkgo]

thats

WHAT I JUST SAID

[wise maple]

[slate kestrel]

no

u said

u want to DO BOTH

[north ginkgo]

"OR 2K FOR ALL THE RARE UNITS"

READ THE WORD OR

[slate kestrel]

which makes no sense

[slate kestrel]

??

[wise maple]

We cannot be deadass

[slate kestrel]

all rare units has different placement costs

are you this slow

LOOL

[slate kestrel]

so it'd be less than 2k

[north ginkgo]

OH MY GOD

LOL

[slate kestrel]

and you havent even tried how much it would realistically cost