Bring back difficult AV

[winter zephyr]

But those were massive like elphet portal

[shut vessel]

because this game aint slop like als

[winter zephyr]

And PvP the thing that should carry the update after the content was trash

[ornate tangle]

tbh length of the vanguard quest was good and all but

why are 3 of the 5 quests

literally the same thing

win dungeons

atp just merge them into 1 quest

[winter zephyr]

It became like als if they still making only easy updates

[vague valve]

vanguards are supposed to be the rarest units in game yet they take less than rift units to get, make it amke sense

make^

[ornate tangle]

rift units are time consuming

thats their only gimmick

they also take longer to get than vsjw

[vague valve]

any rift is harder than the new dungeon and the unit take way longer to get

make rift units the new vanguards

[vague valve]

defo not lmao

[ornate tangle]

they do

vsjw takes like 30 hrs

[sage river]

who

[ornate tangle]

if you cant get the rift units with %2 chance

you need an average of 12-15 rifts

[sage river]

did you just say rift units take longer to get than Jinwoo?

💀

[ornate tangle]

3 hrs each and it adds up

its more than vsjw

[ornate tangle]

they are

[sage river]

you gotta be trolling gang

[ornate tangle]

only on a time basis

[sage river]

they be letting anyone talk these days

[ornate tangle]

if you had to speedrun both of them

you would get vsjw first

[ornate tangle]

wdym?

[sage river]

they need an iq test before you can talk in suggestions fr

[ornate tangle]

ur blabbering abt nothing

tell me where im wrong

[sage river]

💔

[ornate tangle]

ye ur a dumbass

[rare bluff]

Both like the same if ur not getting rift mvp every time

Sung is like 26 hours or sum

[ornate tangle]

its literally impossible to get any rift unit before vsjw

[iron estuary]

yeah but rifts aremeantto be a thing you doon a timely basis😭 youdont sitin lobby every 3 hours and do it- you would dodifferent stuff in between those 3

[ornate tangle]

unless you get mvp/1 hour rift event

[ornate tangle]

thats my whole point

rifts whole point is that its time gated

[iron estuary]

holy spelling-

[ornate tangle]

you literally cannot speedrun it

unlike vsjw

[iron estuary]

yeah thats their point

you dont wait in lobby 3 hours for rift- you do other stuff like doing vsjw and rift at the same time

which you can do

[ornate tangle]

hes not talking about the effort needed though

hes talking about how fast you can get them

[iron estuary]

well thats stupid then

[ornate tangle]

obv vsjw requires 10x more effort

like no shit

[iron estuary]

because ofc rift in yotal would take more beause you are forced to do itevery 3 hours

💀

why are we arguing on ts

[ornate tangle]

but that mf above

wont get it

because hes mentally challenged

[hollow trench]

Gonna remake this post after I finish update

I would say they can't ignore us forever

But they still didn't remove handcuffs from Cid raid so I guess theres that

[scarlet willow]

no, leave it

it sucks

the new dungeon is perfect

[hollow trench]

👶 🍼

[vapid warren]

Pls no difficult av this game is too hard🥺🥺

[hollow trench]

AV is the dark souls of anime td

[vapid warren]

Hell nah av too easy to be close to being the dark souls of anime td

[hollow trench]

i thought we were being sarcastic gng🥀

[vapid warren]

Oh yeah i was i thought you were being serious tho

[glacial musk]

well, i thought dungeons and f2p vanguard quests were supposed to be hard but ig they aren't

[sage hamlet]

id say the only thing in this game meant to be hard is elemental confluence

besides tourneys

[tidal brook]

new vanguard feels like a secret

instead of a vanguard

[scarlet willow]

uhhh okay

[earnest nymph]

the grind does feel short

on par w mereolona

[tidal brook]

dare i say baiken's evo is harder

[sinful willow]

Elemental confluence is hard there’s your difficult content bro

[tidal brook]

barely anything bro

and its also not hard

[sinful willow]

The missions make it hard, try getting 2000 points in the blast or passion element

And it sucks that such a cool mount is locked behind getting 2000 points on all of them

[tidal brook]

forcibly making it so you have to go out of your way to make something hard instead of just having something thats difficult (when vanguards should be hard to obtain) is dumb

[tidal brook]

blast has cid and invincible+rohan

passion has lfelt

[sinful willow]

It’s still difficult, you have to pick a lot of hard modifiers for that 2k points, sure those units are good but how good are they when they get there ranged reduced by half or they get hit with energy drain the enemy’s spawn with like 66k HP and you start off with a basic amount of gold, it takes more then just a couple decent units

[tidal brook]

lemme c how hard this is

[sinful willow]

Lmk if I’m crazy or not

[tidal brook]

for some reason familiars stop working sometimes

when resetting

this is like

impossibly hard

[sinful willow]

Toldcha, the Event tokens are only locked behind 1200 points which is still kinda hard ngl but 2000 points is Lwk impossible

Having The mount truly will be a flex bc normal players are not beating 2000 points

[tidal brook]

yeah except its not hard

its just

almost impossible

fine line between hard content and literally almost impossible content

i was doing that on cosmic too

cant imagine passion

😭

[sinful willow]

Well not entirely impossible, I was able to beat the 2000 points on fire but that’s only bc I had monarch escanor, sadly there’s no eacanor with the passion or cosmic element

[frosty jolt]

W

[scarlet willow]

what do you even get out of that event?

[tidal brook]

mount

[scarlet willow]

is that

it

[hallow folio]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-yap-gif-10461035499403017478

[tidal brook]

except the other elements

are genuinely

im not even lying

they might literally be impossible

and they have 50k

[fervent river]

We are talking about rewarding content take griffith for example he is one of the easiest units to get yet one of the strongest which makes actually no sense at all

[tidal brook]

and you HAVE to choose wormhole

[fervent river]

I am not saying that content should be as hard as like vjsw but shouldnt be this easy at the same time

[sinful willow]

You get 200 event coins to think which u can use on RR or other things

[scarlet willow]

griffith can now only be obtained by berserk ex with a 5% drop or 30 pity

meaning guts is harder to get as well

[fervent river]

And was obtainable for over a month by just waiting for an event that you can LITERALLY SKIP

[scarlet willow]

doesnt change that it was a limited opportunity

[scarlet willow]

i might grind these

i still need monarch broly

[tidal brook]

theyre not hard if u just do 1200 score

if u do 2k its lit impossible

[scarlet willow]

id win

[fervent river]

Even now you can literally afk farm it with units that have no good traits

So it is still really easy to get

[scarlet willow]

any secret can be afk farmed

so that point doesnt mean anything

[fervent river]

And all secrets are not as good as griffith

So we are back to my point that a unit this good shouldnt be this easy to obtain

[tidal brook]

griffith was the easiest unit to get and hes atleast 5th best unit

[scarlet willow]

so he can be afk farmed, hes easy to get, sounds like any other secret to me

gogeta is a 20% drop

[fervent river]

WHICH IS LITERALLY MY POINT OH MY

[grave bear]

Element mode is easy bro I already got 2000 on two of them

[tidal brook]

theres 0 way afk farming is easy to do for gogeta

[tidal brook]

try cosmic

and passion

[grave bear]

Cosmic and holy are the two I got 2000 on

so far

[tidal brook]

lemme see then

[grave bear]

Disable traits + wormhole + mind control is already 1500 points bro

[fervent river]

Did you even read the entire message or did you just stay stuck at the griffith part

[tidal brook]

yes by wave 5 you have like 2500 gold

[scarlet willow]

but youre complaining about his obtainment method when it now works the exact same as any other secret, but hes stronger. the thing is thats whats been happening to every secret since the start of av

[tidal brook]

and griff has like 300k just base

[earnest nymph]

it highkey is way harder

[grave bear]

farm till wave 7, having 3 units at upgrade 1 handles it

[earnest nymph]

gg ex you gotta actually try to solo

[tidal brook]

take a ss

[earnest nymph]

and 10 ranked wins

[scarlet willow]

its like complaining about gojo being too easy to get compared to igris despite how much better gojo was

its stupid

[grave bear]

bro I beat holy with Reimu and priestess

[scarlet willow]

thats just how powercreep works

[tidal brook]

take a ss

[grave bear]

An hour or two ago

[tidal brook]

of the score in the event

[fervent river]

Not really other secrets at their release werent as good as how griffith was on his release and i am not comparing them to each other i am comparing both metas

[grave bear]

The modifiers I used?

[earnest nymph]

js use ragna reimu and priestess

[grave bear]

let me log back on

[tidal brook]

no the event

shop

[grave bear]

Oh

[earnest nymph]

you get like 263 rerolls from this it's really good

[grave bear]

Ok one moment let me get out of this daily

So far @tidal brook

Ignore the 600 I tried doing a monarch solo run

[fervent river]

Atleast for gojo you had to wait 5 days to obtain him and plus this is just making a unit viable again and he isnt that crazy

[tidal brook]

ok bet lemme try what u did

[fervent river]

Btw i read rhat wrong i thought you meant the familiar update

[scarlet willow]

you didnt need to wait 5 days, what are you talking about?

[fervent river]

.

[scarlet willow]

o

[grave bear]

Disable traits + wormhole + champions + mind control is like 1700. I believe I used resilient and solidified which got me to 1900. And then I forgot what the last 100 was

[fervent river]

Yh but the difference between them wasnt that crazy

[grave bear]

chose no speed or health boosts

or blinded/energy drain

[chilly oar]

yo is it js me

[grave bear]

in summary, element gamemode easy asf. I can prob get it all done tomorrow

[fervent river]

Most units were decently hard to get you cant compare getting someone like vsjw to broly rn

[chilly oar]

is brocly ass?

[fervent river]

That is why it pissed me off bec the content the last 2 updates was so easy you can literally finish it in a few hours

[chilly oar]

BRO_LY

[fervent river]

No he is one of the best units rn

[chilly oar]

did they buff him?

[fervent river]

No

[scarlet willow]

thats a good thing

[chilly oar]

yeah he’s still ass

nvm

[scarlet willow]

they made insanely long grinds to make up for long update times

[chilly oar]

no it’s no brochacho

quick update = no more content

= less players

lock in

[scarlet willow]

making the dungeon longer to grind isnt adding more content, it makes it more annoying.

[fervent river]

As i said in my main message i am not saying that they should make updates that are insanely hard like vjsw i just want medium difficulty

[chilly oar]

smartest av player

i’m talking about more content

[scarlet willow]

youre correct

[chilly oar]

not how long the stage is

[chilly oar]

this is gonna be long..

[scarlet willow]

av had 120k ccu this morning

but sure

[chilly oar]

cause of the update

hello?

?

[grave bear]

Is this galactic bait

[chilly oar]

i might’ve js fell for it

[grave bear]

@tidal brook how’s the run going

[scarlet willow]

and the ccu usually stays the same for several days to even weeks, at most dropping by 20-30k. this has happened multiple times for the past few updates

[fervent river]

Like bleach,cid,summer they were in a decent level of hardness

[chilly oar]

does he know?

[grave bear]

I wonder what element gonna be most annoying to do

[scarlet willow]

do you know?

[chilly oar]

know what

[grave bear]

Maybe nature

Or curse

[scarlet willow]

what about bleach is difficult? rfit? that was made with 6 people in mind

[fervent river]

Aizen was difficult back then and yh rift bro as i said i am not saying i want a really hard difficulty i literally said DECENT LEVEL OF HARDNESS

like medium difficulty

[scarlet willow]

this dungeon nailed it

[fervent river]

For a vanguard unit

No

[scarlet willow]

for a vanguard unit

yes

they finally stopped with 70-80 hour grinds

its now less than 10

[chilly oar]

bro_ly is hot ass

[scarlet willow]

and thats awesome

[fervent river]

It isnt even a 4 hour grind for broly

[chilly oar]

bro doesn’t like to grind for his stuff

[scarlet willow]

i liked grinding for broly actually

[lusty falcon]

he aint wrong with those

but it was easy for a vanguard unit

[fiery bay]

broly

[chilly oar]

and broly is lwk ass

sooo

[fervent river]

My point is not making it like vjsw like 50 rounds of doing the same thing

[lusty falcon]

hes pretty decente with more unbound units

[scarlet willow]

dude just looks at the damage stats

[lusty falcon]

and his passives

[fervent river]

I mean like an actual quest that isnt boring and at the same time got some grind into it

[lusty falcon]

full aoe

[chilly oar]

what’s his max damage with unit buffs

[lusty falcon]

follow up attacks

[scarlet willow]

i dunno

i didnt check

[fervent river]

Almost 2 mil with monarch

[lusty falcon]

grinding broly was enjoyable

[chilly oar]

they buffed him?

[scarlet willow]

i used him in the dungeon to see his stats with monarch but theyre not fully consistent

[lusty falcon]

not like bum jin woo

[fervent river]

As i said no

It is about his multi attack and his multi crit damage

Not just the displayed damage number…

[lusty falcon]

read the passives

[chilly oar]

show them

[scarlet willow]

noob i got shiny broly

[chilly oar]

yk i can js tell mods to check logs

[fervent river]

Who said that…

[stone crescent]

deadeye better gangalang

[chilly oar]

thank you

[grave bear]

Where did Chucky go he should’ve been done with the stage

[fiery bay]

ur only using deadeye for tourney or inf 💔

[stone crescent]

im trolling dw

[lusty falcon]

and he got a ability that adds crit to himself and unbound units

[stone crescent]

im still getting atleast deadeye because ion wanna drop all them rrs on bro for monarch

[lusty falcon]

hes worthy the monarch ngl

[stone crescent]

lowkey him and dante would be a perfect duo in tournaments

[chilly oar]

deadeye

[lusty falcon]

he got a follow up with full aoe

[chilly oar]

good idea

[stone crescent]

i need monarch escanor still

[lusty falcon]

all his passives are unlocked from the start

[fervent river]

@scarlet willow so i just wanna end the discussion by saying my point is i am not asking for 70 hour long grind i got a life dw i am just asking for playable content if that makes sense like that is why i said i wanted the difficulty to be medium not too hard like vjsw but not a few hours so that we can actually have smth to do that is it.

[stone crescent]

monarch dante in 12 rrs was genuinely heartbreaking

[chilly oar]

and bros giving up on the argument

[fervent river]

Ig he is viable with broly

[chilly oar]

ez ggs no reee

[fervent river]

I am not

[lusty falcon]

✅ i wanna use my monarchs

[fervent river]

I am just stating my points

[stone crescent]

guys is 5 ruined mountains in a row lucky😭

[scarlet willow]

no

its supposed to happen every game at 5 dragon balls

[stone crescent]

aw man

[scarlet willow]

thats what a tester said

but its bugged

[grave bear]

The Strat for nature element I think I’ll use is just witch + Dizzy

[stone crescent]

how tf does the elemental thing work dawg

[grave bear]

It’s actually very easy

[stone crescent]

like can i only place that element?

[grave bear]

Ye

You can’t use VSJW btw

[chilly oar]

dumbass i took a picture of that

[stone crescent]

does it drop coins or smth?

[fervent river]

Ok and you are the one who started the entire beef

[chilly oar]

how

[stone crescent]

then the shop would be useless

[grave bear]

24 per stage if you get at least 1200 points

[tidal brook]

holy ass units

[stone crescent]

DAMN

[grave bear]

so 24 rerolls per element, 240 rrs total

if you get at least 1200 points for all

[chilly oar]

you didn’t have to say that

[stone crescent]

rr method

[grave bear]

It’s pretty fire

[stone crescent]

i can only choose one element at a time?

yeah frieza is unfair for dungeons

[grave bear]

There’s a menu that asks which element you wanna do first, and then you choose modifiers

[fervent river]

With your weird ahh replies to smth that isnt even related to you

[chilly oar]

you could’ve ignored me

[stone crescent]

i couldnt place anyone after picked a ton of them

[chilly oar]

you said the r word not my fault

[scarlet willow]

kaguya is the best unit in the game

[grave bear]

🤔

@tidal brook how did the run go

[tidal brook]

i was eating ima do it rn

[scarlet willow]

eww bums

[stone crescent]

the kaguya better be full godly

[fervent river]

Stating the facts that is all

[tidal brook]

all the vanguardds r full goddly

[fervent river]

How childish do you have to be dawg

[grave bear]

gl, imma do nature later

[stone crescent]

good

[chilly oar]

so your saying i’m the r word

is that it

w reaction

[stone crescent]

when frieza spawn near the end and the summon spawing in❤️‍🩹

[tidal brook]

what is soldifiedd

[fervent river]

I am just saying you are slow

[grave bear]

Lowkey forgot

[chilly oar]

did you not say the r word tho

[fervent river]

Could have rephrased the r word to that but i got ragebaited so yh

[chilly oar]

they have the logs

[fervent river]

.

[chilly oar]

maybe that is YOUR faulty

yes i said faulty

[grave bear]

Water I guess I could do Goku

[fervent river]

When did i say it is not that i used it instead of saying you are slow

[chilly oar]

why

[stone crescent]

imma try using kaguya in the elemental thing

[fervent river]

Cuz you were literally just assuming broly is bad bec of his base dmg

[chilly oar]

ok

so

what does that have to do with you

[fervent river]

You were literally replying to me

[fervent river]

And does me replying to the other had to do with you

[chilly oar]

doesn’t mean u have to call me the r word

bucko

[fervent river]

I could go with the same concept but i dont really get your point in that part cuz it is literally non existent

[fervent river]

And i literally said

[fervent river]

.

[chilly oar]

proof it’s non existent

[fervent river]

Do we not know how to read or what

[chilly oar]

yet againt

that’s

[fervent river]

This is so childish

[chilly oar]

YOUR

FAULT

[chilly oar]

your still going bro

[fervent river]

Yh and i wont anymore you are like 9 tops

And if you arent then you are childish af

So please grow up or act the same if you are 9 idrc

Bye

[chilly oar]

and then he goes with the 9 year old allegations

easy victory

[fervent river]

Had to send it

Bye

[chilly oar]

w quitting

[tidal brook]

i did it!!

[tidal brook]

vegeta is the paly

for blast

i think

im doing it rn

i might lose on final boss

yeah

um

u also need cid

i think

for vogita to acc be good

[frosty jolt]

🙏

[tidal brook]

oh no sukuna..

[stone crescent]

FINALLY GOGETA

i can lowkey finish broly by today

[sinful willow]

Have u been able to do spark ? Currently stuck on it

[tidal brook]

nah

u basically need stark

ive been farming to get units for nature and passion

sucks u NEED rimuru for water

i dont have em

[sinful willow]

Great I love doing 50 stages of word lines at 3 AM 😭

And I can’t get past water either, even getting to just 1200 points for the RR is Lwk a challenge on some of the elements

[arctic karma]

Next update units evolve requirement must be this minimum for real

[agile gorge]

Feels like they actually kinda listened to this suggestion, elemental confluence feels like a good addition in terms of difficult gameplay though it’s still not perfect

[arctic karma]

Reward is too busted though

[agile gorge]

It’s just one time event coin rewards which are kinda easy to get as far as I’ve heard, the only thing that is really hard to get is the banner and mount which I’m fine with since they’re just cosmetics

[rare bluff]

what questions looks like for broly

I know 1st

Evo 3 units

yo bro

I got question

is grass green?

Fr bro

Frfr

[vague valve]

Av is not a td game?

[rare bluff]

Hey

That's the standard for atds nowadays

Everyone got used to It

[rare bluff]

its technically is but just anime characters and different style

If u want strategy

u shouldn't complain about grind difficulty

Like how long it takes

u should complain about how hard is stage really is

who put that emoji bro

am I not right?

Simple sense

Bro

Ragebait 0/10

[tough grotto]

Starrk yoruichi

Theres a vid out for 20k score

[vague valve]

So you have a base and you use units to defend that base but it's ain't a td

[inland halo]

pretty sure the og point was referencing the old td

which had nothing op like traits familiars n etc

this guy u replied to is lowkey jus a bum

😭 🥀

[rare bluff]

What is bro yapping about

[rare bluff]

Yea

[rare bluff]

Bro

[inland halo]

😝

[rare bluff]

Bro

3?

Bruh

[rare bluff]

also game is easy anyways

So makes sense

This suggestion is for difficult of the stages

But the guy complained about grind..

or am I wrong?

[hollow trench]

I don't like how easy those new units have been to get, but I agree that my suggestion wanst about grind

[keen garden]

yo why am i only getting 24 rerolls for 2000 points

[lean lake]

"why is the game giving me 240 free rrs"

[keen garden]

it should be 26 bro

[lean lake]

holy greed

[keen garden]

wym

im asking cause thats what ytbers say

[lean lake]

abplays said the end was here, ig thats true

cause youtube never wrong

[slender sequoia]

They wrong
Its 24 coins per element

[keen garden]

okay tyy

[reef jungle]

im so happy

lancer is finally never going to be used

❤️

[keen garden]

why

oh brolys passive

[inland halo]

vegito existed

[tidal brook]

hes not used for rupture bud

[inland halo]

then for what

[slender sequoia]

Vegito is like 60k for rupture

[lean lake]

for nothing, he sucks

[slender sequoia]

Broly is 3k

[lean lake]

av knows what its about, gogeta got baller units n vegito a stinky lamo buns waste of money

[vague valve]

24?

[vague valve]

@glacial musk

[inland halo]

i mean

gogeta ssj4 is caca now

i hit pity monarch on him for nada 🥀

[lean lake]

so did I

[tidal brook]

i love updates where theres 0 point for me to roll on any of the units

[inland halo]

monarch

[tidal brook]

units r trash

[inland halo]

?

r u deadass

[tidal brook]

yep

[glacial musk]

what

[inland halo]

ight bruh

i mean hey

[glacial musk]

he is right
my goat broly apply rupture

[inland halo]

if we read passives and understand them

you'd kno gogeta is the goat

[tidal brook]

broly not useful for anything but inf

[vague valve]

Bruh

[tidal brook]

and gogeta just bunz

[inland halo]

aaaand we're just oblivious

✌️

[glacial musk]

i can finally stop using the stupid teddy bear familiar

[keen garden]

how is he bunz

[inland halo]

dont bother

[glacial musk]

gogeta switch up is crazy

[tidal brook]

these units arent used for anything the avg player does

[glacial musk]

everyone was trash talking him

[lean lake]

man ion even care

I just be playin av

its a td game, ts easy regardless

just play the game 🥀

[vague valve]

Cornballs

[reef jungle]

He’s not bad

Oh yea is it possible to make domains end when the round is over

[vague valve]

no but i made a suggestion abt it a while ago

[ornate tangle]

monarch broly is doing 400k dps btw

and 104k to max

[arctic karma]

822k DPS , Yes in Wave 15 gamemode
If they want to make AV diffcult?

They will need to bring in Boss with Billions HP to even make it (slight) diffcult now 👏

[hollow trench]

yep, thats how TD scaling works

i don't get those people man

[ornate tangle]

with the whole team dedicated to him

[arctic karma]

I never said anything wrong, this is about this game's being way too easy now. They real need Billions HP Bosses.

[placid kindle]

12 ethereals on these 5 mofos with 0 monarch in inventory and 3k raw rrs.

im DEFINITELY doing something to my self.

me and ethereal have a love story

[livid eagle]

What’s ur team for that?

[livid eagle]

We still a long way from billion hp bosses. And there are better ways to increase the difficulty without increasing the hp scaling a lot

[marsh root]

3k rrs but you decided to spread it all out instead of aiming for 1 monarch

[peak tide]

dont say that

[marsh ravine]

i got like 6 monarchs in 1500 rrs

[eager wolf]

Spark trial without stark

[placid kindle]

included pre-pity

[placid kindle]

my time is NOT coming

[tender narwhal]

pity was always in game 💀

[sinful willow]

Since general Is locked ima ask in here, does anyone know what the map change is the new raid means ? I got it twice and nothing was different

[scarlet willow]

its a visual change, it doesnt mean anything

but its also glitched, its supposed to happen at 5 dragon balls

[marsh root]

pity was always in game and 3k was stil enough for old pity 💔 just focus on 1 unit instead of rolling and spreading out your pity bruh

[scarlet willow]

pity wasnt known during the beginning of the games life span, even if you saved up for half of this games life span, you wouldnt have enough for pity. the meta has also changed so much during that time that it was hard to invest into one unit.

most people dumped their rerolls into several units as more updates came around and the meta kept shifting

including me

[rare bluff]

holy

bro fr

[scarlet willow]

i doubt its genuine

they just show the stats, not the team or anything else

[rare bluff]

fr

[marsh root]

team is vegito gogeta blue ehrcules and sm1 else i forgot

[marsh root]

i think weather report

[rare bluff]

Oh

Now I saw

is it Salvation video?

He has exact same team

[arctic karma]

You need 2 farms due to the cost requirement,
But the 800k DPS is enough to solo anything

[placid kindle]

ur pmo rn

[worldly orchid]

This

Its way more fun

And realistic to get units

For especially mobile players

They tried to make units unique and not monarch reliant in aot update and look how that ended

Broly is broken with a 250k dps with monarch just because he's not impossible to get unless you have a pc for 🥭 doesn't mean he's bad

[loud pasture]

yeah

youre a mobile player

100%

[worldly orchid]

Quite the opposite

I use informaals

What av should do is make ex stages and stuff which they already are so thats a tick

[loud pasture]

🐟 is free btw

[worldly orchid]

Giving stupid reactions when I prove him wrong

[worldly orchid]

Im not broke btw

I got that premium too

Dw

[scarlet willow]

so what? 💀

[worldly orchid]

He wants grinds to be 50 hours long

[scarlet willow]

"wahhhh mobile players can actually play the game wahhhh"

[loud pasture]

another mobile?

[scarlet willow]

i use a laptop

[loud pasture]

kinda better

[scarlet willow]

again, so what if i was mobile

is there an issue with that

?

[loud pasture]

yeah

its literally unplayable

[scarlet willow]

no shit, thats why these new updates are good

they make mobile actually playable

[loud pasture]

???

[scarlet willow]

no more 70 hour bullshit grind for a vanguard

and thats not at the hands of rng

[loud pasture]

you do realised

realise

im not talking about the automatic tools (idk the emote is censuring)

its just hard to play by itself

screen is small, you gotta tap, negative qol etc etc

[worldly orchid]

Bro

[worldly orchid]

Thats not the point

[loud pasture]

yeah

it is

phone sucks because of that

[worldly orchid]

People complain about phone because they can't use 🥭

These updates are playable without 🥭

[loud pasture]

🥭 just makes your life easier tho 🤷‍♂️

[worldly orchid]

So they are good

[loud pasture]

you had 2+ months to get kaguya

[scarlet willow]

80 hour grind btw

[loud pasture]

and you can actually 🥭 escanor if you want but its not that needed

[loud pasture]

60+ days btw

[worldly orchid]

Yeah but you dont need it for a vanguard grind like vsjw

Please use ur brain

[loud pasture]

actually

[scarlet willow]

yeah no ones spending one hour a day for 2 and a half months for one character

[loud pasture]

im manually farming (on a computer) vsjw mode rn

[scarlet willow]

this is why portal updates suck major dogshit

its 🥭 central

[loud pasture]

if youre a lazy mobile player with terrible luck just get someone 🥭 ing and leech 🤷‍♂️

[scarlet willow]

💀

again, this is why they are shit

the new berserk update and dungeon feel rewarding for their active play

meanwhile for portals you gotta leech and 🥭 to get the character

[loud pasture]

berserk was fun to be honest

i just didnt like the amount of strong units

ALL of the berserk units were extremely meta

that includes sukuna and gojo

[hollow trench]

what active play did berseker upd had?

real question

just beating pisz easy stages with Escanor?

with by far the easiest EX stage released yet

if that considered "active" than I might as well be 🥭 it anyway

[scarlet willow]

i meant the update was far more rewarding than others. you can get everything in the update in only a few hours. it doesn't need to be 🥭'd

and thats a good thing

[lusty falcon]

u deadass gotta stop these bum ass opinions

[scarlet willow]

its the truth

?

you people are genuinely odd if you think its better for the game if every update has to be 🥭'd

[limpid gust]

i agree

not stupid 0.75 grindy av but the av where the stages were hard

gg ex stage was fun

[sage hamlet]

tbf it doesnt make it any more fun

js makes it less painful or smth

[ornate tangle]

broly grind would be so mch better

if 3 of the 5 quests werent the same shit

still better than vsjw grind though

[scarlet willow]

cant relate

i dont have fun when i got the unit from 🥭

i have fun when i actually worked for broly

[sage hamlet]

i meant something taking less time doesnt make it any more fun

[scarlet willow]

70 hour portal slop grind vs 6-7 hours for broly

[sage hamlet]

both unfun

[scarlet willow]

shut up

[ornate tangle]

ur asking for it

[scarlet willow]

then i dont know why youre playing atd

[glacial musk]

you did it on purpose

[sage hamlet]

hope

[ornate tangle]

frr

[scarlet willow]

thats genuinely how long it takes

[sage hamlet]

n i like collecting units cs theyre cool

[glacial musk]

wait, it is not a gif

[ornate tangle]

whole questline could be done in like 3-4 hrs

if everything went perfectly

[sage hamlet]

im waiting for evo event to come

so i can evo a lot of todo n the guy who gives armor from berserk

[ornate tangle]

just evo griff

[glacial musk]

portal slop on top

[ornate tangle]

i got like 45 of him

[glacial musk]

✌️

[sage hamlet]

i only have 1 griffith 🫩

[ornate tangle]

bro these youtubers making ''getting and showcasing broly'' videos genuinely pmo so bad

[vapid warren]

If they bring back difficult av we aren't gonna be getting 400 to 500 rrs every week tho

[ornate tangle]

ive seen like 100 of those slop videos

yet no one does a showcase that actually shows what the unit is capable of doing

[limpid gust]

nagblox excused sometimes

[glacial musk]

mr rhino moment

that mf pmo

[scarlet willow]

why is he lying?

[ornate tangle]

fuck mr rhino

i always hated him

back in the aa days

[glacial musk]

everyone hate him

[ornate tangle]

dude was contributing to nothing

[limpid gust]

i need valk to start posting again his videos were so informative

[ornate tangle]

saying everything is broken

when they are mid

[scarlet willow]

they all do the same shit

[limpid gust]

same with toadboigaming

[ornate tangle]

toad too

and sebby

[sage hamlet]

he was top 2 aa yt

[scarlet willow]

nagblox is my goat

[limpid gust]

HELL no

[ornate tangle]

top 1 on making slop videos

[sage hamlet]

went to him for showcases most of trhe time

[scarlet willow]

because he actually talks about the state of the game

he adds something to it

everyone else acts like a robot

[limpid gust]

valk was the goat of atd youtube before he was full time av dev

[ornate tangle]

this new ferr0r

guy

is tryna become the new shrine

and i like it

[earnest nymph]

goate

di like him

[glacial musk]

hop off pery

[earnest nymph]

AND SALVATION

bro salvation is so good

[ornate tangle]

yeah

salvation and ferr0r

[scarlet willow]

oh hes also good

[earnest nymph]

i love his videos

[limpid gust]

pery the most entertaining rn

[ornate tangle]

are the only 2 im watching rn

[earnest nymph]

so well explained

[ornate tangle]

and a little bit of nag

oh yeah

and lapismudkip too

that mf sucks too

we all hate lapismudkip

[glacial musk]

nag victim

[ornate tangle]

and noahhhhh and noahhbamboahh

[glacial musk]

the only good roblox yt

a day without a nag video is like hell

[limpid gust]

i hate how nag farms the most niche atd whenever the main games are contentless

[ornate tangle]

how are people even getting entertained seeing those slop youtubers getting monarch then not even showcasing the unit

i dont get it

[scarlet willow]

oh my god bruh

i just looked up anime vanguards on yt

and its just the same video

[limpid gust]

pery doesnt even play the game😭😭✌️✌️

[scarlet willow]

but by different people

[ornate tangle]

''MIGHT BE MY LUCKIEST UPDATE YET....''

pack it up bro

[limpid gust]

whatever pays the rent bro

[ornate tangle]

me when i make a inf lb video with every unit in my team being mid for inf and i call it a day after not even getting top 200 on the leaderboard then somehow call it content

[glacial musk]

he liked anime power defense and awtd

[limpid gust]

ay bruh awtd excused its so good

[ornate tangle]

cheez is also good

and xopt

[marsh root]

people still watch roblox youtubers? 😭😭

[glacial musk]

nag bro

[ornate tangle]

''Getting The NEW Vanguard Broly in Anime Vanguards!''

bro

[marsh root]

why is it so entertaining to watch people grind av for you guys 😭😭

[glacial musk]

nag is different

[ornate tangle]

HOW did sebby get 47k views in a vanguard video

[limpid gust]

for me i use it as background noise

[glacial musk]

i watch him since 7ds grand cross

[ornate tangle]

getting the unit afte r3 days

[glacial musk]

he is fun

[marsh root]

doesnt make sense to me i only watch av videos if its a guide

[ornate tangle]

why are people watch it

and i just remembreed

Sym

[glacial musk]

the comments he do mid grind

[ornate tangle]

makes good videos but hes inconsistent

bcz hes not that popular

[glacial musk]

the others are just time to get the unit

and stay silent for hours

[marsh root]

get an audiobook its 10x more productive than watching av youtubers grind and spend money for monarch

[glacial musk]

or do annoying as shit voices

[ornate tangle]

why are people even watching people grind for units

like its not accessible for them

dont even get me started on noob 2 pro videos

[marsh root]

ngl i used to this for aa cause i was feining for the unique escanor

[ornate tangle]

youtubers milking the same grind content slop after theyve done everything in the game

[ornate tangle]

literally the only valid reason

was for aa

when %99 couldnt get any uniques

and watched people with it instead

[glacial musk]

using update x team vs hardest inf mode

[ornate tangle]

im praying on noahh and noahbamboahs downfall

[fiery bay]

so mean

[glacial musk]

who are these

😭

[ornate tangle]

one of them is making inf lb content

[marsh root]

those astd slop videos truly changed the content of ATDs 😭

[ornate tangle]

using the wrong units

for it

LMFAO

and hes shamelessly uploading the attempts that he didnt even reach the bottom of the leaderboard on

and the other one is the sole reason why devs understood the concept of shiny transfer

[glacial musk]

nag latest arx video being called I WASTED 60+ Hours grinding arx update was so real

[ornate tangle]

misunderstood*

[glacial musk]

other yt would glaze arx

[ornate tangle]

arx is ass

its not even a td

watch brandon abandon that shit too when the ccu plummets to 10k

[scarlet willow]

they do???

[glacial musk]

is the battle cats for idiots

[scarlet willow]

its actual slop

grow a garden level slop

[ornate tangle]

funny how brandon tried to revive afs

yet failed miserably

his downfall

has already begun

he will go bankrupt

[glacial musk]

afs

?

[ornate tangle]

anime final strike

it had potential but

they had the wrong ideas

[marsh root]

also anime saga 💔

[glacial musk]

wasn't that shit als 2.0

[ornate tangle]

anime saga doesnt even have 1k players does it

[glacial musk]

afs

[marsh root]

if he buys aa that shit getting lower players bro

[worldly orchid]

So icl

You just repeatsd why we said what we said

💀

[scarlet willow]

bro just did it to eliminate the als ripoff

[marsh root]

he killed it more💔

[worldly orchid]

Exactly

[glacial musk]

i remember when people glazed that game

like crazy

[ornate tangle]

game had 100k ccu

when it first came out

then people realized the game is actually ass

[glacial musk]

didn't the game had reused assets like okarun

[marsh root]

true and the evolution system was so ass

[ornate tangle]

crazy how dungeon quest came out in 2018 and its a better game of that genre

than anime saga

prime dungeon quest needs to be studied

[glacial musk]

dungeon quest the goat

i remember using the first map legendary weapon as a mage weapon when it was supposed to be melee

[loud pasture]

we dont watch it

we just listen to it

like a background music

[worldly orchid]

It was so goated

Fell off due to lack of updates

[fervent thistle]

We had hard content in 5.0 and still had the top CCU of its time.

It's mostly because the 2 updates with hard content (Guilty Gear, AoT) had units that weren't worth the grind, and weren't really that hype of updates compared to 5.0's Dragon Ball.

If you made the quest to obtain VSJW doing the Guilty Gear EX stages, the only people complaining would be childish, since doing the hardest content ingame for the best character ingame is entirely normal for these kinds of games

[tidal brook]

"hard" in 5.0

was literally one of the easier updates this game had

[fervent thistle]

For people that considered AoT hard because of regen they'd consider Buu hard for regen.

[tidal brook]

still doesnt mean it was hard

all the units were super easy to evo

[fervent thistle]

I'm saying the buu stages, not the units.

[tidal brook]

the update

itself

was easy

and the buu stages werent hard

[fervent thistle]

I mean wouldn't that apply to Guilty Gear as well? Everything besides Byken was a complete joke to evo.

AoT also was easy, eren didn't need the EX stage to evo.

So by that logic AV never had hard content.

[tidal brook]

did 5.0 have a monumentally hard ex stage at the time?

all the stages were cleared by just bringing a bleed unit

[fervent thistle]

For its time, yes.

It forced bleed against regen rather than it not being a issue.

[tidal brook]

nothing else

[fervent thistle]

Not actually hard

[tidal brook]

was not hard at its time

the devs literally admitted the upd was easy

😭

[fervent thistle]

I'm saying in comparison to what we had at the time for most normal players.

Like i'm being honest if you struggled to beat guilty gear with 4 people then you don't know what you're doing in the game. Same with The AoT stage. As both stages are intended for you to use a team.

Players complained about not being able to just place 1 unit and win, which the buu stage countered. There was no good DPS Bleed unit so you had to actually bring 1 other unit.

Yeah it's very easy but it was different than prior stages.

The update was very easy, but so were the other updates if you did them as intended.

I just find the concept of "We had bad CCU during 6.0 and 7.0, therefore content now must be easy" and leaving it at that.

There's more factors than endgame content that went into AV dying, and also coming back into center stage. And dismissing all of those factors and blaming it on the content is dissapointing.

[hollow trench]

very few units had ways to deal with ED and Regen wans't something so common, so a lot of people needed to grind for good bleed Like Alucard to be able to beat the legends stages

I don't think the UPD was hard, but it definitely was harder than most updates this game had

[fervent thistle]

Well also there wasn't even a EX stage back then, it was just the default legend stage.

[tidal brook]

thats just a lie

i can name

so many more

updates that were harder

[tidal brook]

u had to just bring choso or lancer

[hollow trench]

go ahead

[fervent thistle]

4.5 was incredibly easy. Ant dungeon could be beaten by release units due to the boost.

4.0 was incredibly easy. The Rift wasn't even difficult if you had a team for it (It's a rift every few hours if you tried soloing it and whined that's your faullt)

3.5 was a boss rush, it was easy.

3.0 was portals, it had no hard content.

Everything prior was release level content, irrelevant/easy..

[tidal brook]

4.5 5.5 6.0 7.0 1.75

[fervent thistle]

Was buu easy? Of course.

But the fact Buu could fully regenerate all of his HP in under 5 - 6 seconds made him harder than bosses before that had nothing else to go for.

[fervent thistle]

4.5?????

[tidal brook]

yes 4.5

[fervent thistle]

Who the hell was struggling in ant dungeon

[tidal brook]

people who didnt have release units

[fervent thistle]

So new players who were trying to beat Ant Dungeon, the stage that let you obtain Vanguard Sun Jin Woo. The best unit in the games history and the longest reign.

Wow.

I wonder why they couldn't beat it.

[tidal brook]

the units that were probably stat transferred from and reset

😭

[hollow trench]

have to disagree with everything here except 6.0 and maybe 4.5

[fervent thistle]

Like can a new player running only mythic vogita and nobara beat the Buu stage?

[fair fjord]

they got broly too bro

[fervent thistle]

Nah there's no way

[placid elk]

It’s 104k to max so for the cost effectiveness he’s not too bad

[fair fjord]

yeah lol he just was behind sukuna it was a funny ss

[placid elk]

The only issue is I can’t use him in rift because of the stuns

[fervent thistle]

Never opened up the game so fast I got baited

[tidal brook]

cid raid is the harddest thing we've had in this game 7.0 is just a worse buu stage sbr raid was hard solo

[placid elk]

ur lying

[fervent thistle]

SBR Raid was also just buggy on release.

[tidal brook]

julias was ur most viable unit for sbr btw

[fervent thistle]

@tidal brook I assume you're on the same page that difficult content should come back, you just think 5.0 isn't the best example of it?

[tidal brook]

yes

5.0 had one of the easiest units to evo

[hollow trench]

Cid raid is literally just a DPS check

[fervent thistle]

I think stages being harder is more important than unit evos.

One is time hard and makes you use your head a bit.

The other is just time wasting.

[tidal brook]

thats literally everything bud

[fervent thistle]

It was hard in the sense of it being annoying due to the string mechanic.

It's not actually / ever was hard.

It was just, really annoying.

[tidal brook]

was the hardest thing we've had

[fervent thistle]

For the time? Sure I can see that.

Also didn't help that Vegito was bugged when the update dropped which was one of the units everyone was running LOL

[hollow trench]

the only thing that is hard about Cid is raid is trying to get good timings

[tidal brook]

who was running vegito

[fervent thistle]

Towers on act 2 were hard if you weren't in VC

[fervent thistle]

ME BRO

ME AND MY COPING ASS

[hollow trench]

I started with 14m on act 2 now i'm down to 3:58

[fervent thistle]

I got monarch on Vegito and was like "Yup i'm so happy"

Found out what sun jin woo did and frowned

[tidal brook]

why is broly no2

[fervent thistle]

Broly being worse than Sun Jin Woo is hilarious

[hollow trench]

✌️ he got buffed this upd atleast

[fervent thistle]

BARELY BRO

THEY MADE HIM A DEADEYE MERCHANT

I had to go roll on a second goku to get deadeye

[tidal brook]

why is broly no2

[fervent thistle]

You saying like in general ingame or something else

[tidal brook]

on the tl

why is he no2

[fervent thistle]

Oh hell no let me see this

What is bro doing here.

[hollow trench]

I saw people saying he did 400k DPS with Mr satan

[fervent thistle]

Yeah but on Wave 19+

You know how this suggestion is about hard content

And the only 2 stages are Wave 15.

Yeah

If we ever got a new EX stage Broly's not getting put on the team

[hollow trench]

this has become more of general than anything atp

[fervent thistle]

Well no it's still on topic see bro

I mentioned Broly in hard content

[tidal brook]

he also makes it so the two other units in top 4

are useless

[fervent thistle]

👍

[fervent thistle]

Domains clashing gives me PTSD to Dokkan battle

[tidal brook]

the fact he makes kaguya and griff is useless makes him useless

[fervent thistle]

Like I get its because of VFX

But it's just so restrictive.

[tidal brook]

he doesnt have aplace

anywhere

[fervent thistle]

Also why the hell is he unbound.

[tidal brook]

he sucks for 15 waves

sucks for rifts

sucks for inf

[fervent thistle]

He's green.
He has a green border and trait.

"unbound"

[tidal brook]

what the fuck is he good at

[fervent thistle]

Not even good at being a cool unit they made him replace my goat Vegeta

[tidal brook]

hes genuinely useless

[dapper aurora]

bring back the av where devs cared about comp

[fervent thistle]

Their afraid of the CCU dropping

Or atleast that's what they said.

[tidal brook]

he makes the two other units in top 4 useless
you cant bring him anywhere

top 2 for what

😭

[fervent thistle]

You know its weird that the Devs blame the hard content as the reason the game died, yet all of the updates that began dropping CCU were all unhype releases and medicore if not just outright bad units.

They even made an announcement admitting their balancing was wrong, yet they still blame the hard content?

I don't see the harm in dropping a new difficult stage and then making a poll asking if it's good or not.

I gurantee you the CCU isn't going to drop if the units of the update are just as good as 8.0's.

[scarlet willow]

difficulty is obviously not the main cause but it was another factor about them most people didnt like

[fervent thistle]

Well the content was only difficult in the first place because the units coming out weren't good enough to compete in it.

Imagine if Cid was designed to be used in the Guilty Gear EX stage coming the next update, that way it'd encourage players who are returning for guilty gear / pvp to go and grind cid (Which isn't hard) and then use him agaisnt the EX stage.

Then vice versa, Byken beign good against the AoT stage.

It leads into players having a clear progression and how to get good at the game / obtain units.

Instead, everyone just complained. Ignored the EX stages and grinded for Jin Woo, then got off of the game.

[tidal brook]

the difficulty itself is only an issue because its not warranted

[fervent thistle]

Yeah.

Guilty Gear / AoT were so hard yet didn't reward anything better than what came before, making it feel more like a bragging rights win than a actual grind/cool unit obtainment

[hollow trench]

you're actually having some character development

just having a few more days in this thread and you might start agreeing with me

[scarlet willow]

thats what i always thought

❓

[scarlet willow]

not happening

ill again repeat that av is at its best state its ever been in terms of content and characters

[hollow trench]

still agreeing with my talking point

[tidal brook]

what threat does adding hard content specifically made for endgame players bring

[hollow trench]

but increasing some stages difficulty wouldn't change the quality of the update, right?

[fervent thistle]

What's good content going o nright now?

[scarlet willow]

they just did with the elemental trials.

[hollow trench]

as you yourself said that difficuly wanst a factor

[tidal brook]

theyre not really hard

[fervent thistle]

Single player only and is a step in the right direction.

[tidal brook]

theyre also not well designed

[hollow trench]

unless you're stacked with monarchs and good units it ins't easy at all

[fervent thistle]

Also their only hard when you remove traits. Which is a lazy way of making hard content

[tidal brook]

monarchs dont matter

[fervent thistle]

"We don't feel like balancing around the units people spent time and money on. Just remove it"

[tidal brook]

u have to pick traitless in almost all of em

[fervent thistle]

^

[stone crescent]

i calculated my deadeye broly's dps to 164,200

holy fried

[plush prairie]

ur not thinking of the bigger picture

[plush prairie]

it's not supposed to be hard

blame this community anyways

This game will never see hard content since there are more new players or casual players to the point you also need to balance for them and they will of course complain if they're doing a mode they cannot solo or cant do

it's the only reason why av's CCU has always been at a steady of 90k100k players daily because of this f2p shit, and it's working well for them so far for the past 3 updates

[loud pasture]

wrong

monarch lancer could solo it