Bring back difficult AV

[hollow trench]

theres any prove or argument?

or your just saying stuff?

BTD5 is a hard and loved game

So is TDS

Or most TD outside of roblox for that matter

[primal patio]

Hard to make things difficult rn since escanor release

With solar alone he does like 400k dmg max

[hollow trench]

Big damage is countered by big health bar

is not that hard

[primal patio]

Then what is gonna happen to the other 99% of the units

[hollow trench]

powercreep? normal stuff in any atd game

[primal patio]

Anything else besides escanor is gonna be unusable then

[hollow trench]

Escanor is like top 6

theres so many other OP units in this game

Is a shame we cant use them

[ripe sand]

You glaze escanor too much

[lean lake]

Me when monarch ywaxh cooks everything

[distant rune]

we have got something worse called griffith

[lean lake]

Its only hard if ur not smart g

[primal patio]

What other unit does monarch lvls of dmg with only solar

[hollow trench]

as most things in life

[ripe sand]

Monarch level is debatable

[distant rune]

yessir lets increase enemies's health so 99.9% units that not dealing million dmg being unsuable and trash without monarch

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014396855741857795/1412830689694322758/bounce.gif

[hollow trench]

he needs 12 stacks to do that damage

[hollow trench]

just saying sh't

again

give me an actual argument

i'm waiting

[ripe sand]

We need to weed out the noobs

[sage hamlet]

i mean i dont see how av can be difficult besides mechanically difficult bc monarch exists

[hollow trench]

big damage is countered by big health

just scale enemies health to damage dealt

[sage hamlet]

super lame tho

[hollow trench]

keep enemies health at 1000 then

make every unit one shot them

[distant rune]

the problem is alr right there if a gamemode is considered hard even with monarch pride so whats the matter to use others

[hollow trench]

because is lame to increase health

[sage hamlet]

still lame

both lame

[distant rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236981587355107420/1299999036912304188/togif.gif

[ripe sand]

Better than goofy ah mechanics like damage decrease

Or range decrease

[sage hamlet]

how about making mechanics that arent goofy but make the game hard

[primal patio]

When they first dropped the Jojo raid that was kinda fun ngl

[hollow trench]

Then you utilize unit combos and synergies to beat the stage

just like in tournaments

[distant rune]

nah they have stopped making ts after that downfall

[ripe sand]

Tell the devs

[sage hamlet]

u tell them

im busy

[distant rune]

are you dumb in tournaments your untis literally getting buff

[hollow trench]

sure

i like that

[hollow trench]

you still utilize strategies

did you ever play tournaments in your life?

or even AV at this point?

can't tell

do you know what tournament is?

[distant rune]

well

im not jobless so ye

[ripe sand]

Traitless AV is so sweaty, u need perfect strat and placement

[hollow trench]

agree

not every content should be like that

tho

[hollow trench]

so you just placed buffed units and hope they win?

you don't wait the max amount of time to charge cid nuke

[distant rune]

so we are ignoring how tournaments are just pure rng

lol

[hollow trench]

if you say so bro

[distant rune]

cuz we all do the same shit

[hollow trench]

the brackets ig

[distant rune]

not even strategy

[hollow trench]

YOU, somebody had to make the strategy your using

[lean lake]

The issue with av is the only way its hard is either bs mechanics you can't do anyrhing about or not using monarch

[hollow trench]

i'm literaly in a disc server discussing about tournament strategies

[lean lake]

Anyways im at work, cant debate

[hollow trench]

the game is designed bad

I agree

[distant rune]

look how i bully them in traitless contents

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014396855741857795/1412830689694322758/bounce.gif

"how did you wipe my ants"

[primal patio]

Pvp is doodo

[hollow trench]

actual flex

gj

[distant rune]

well making enemies more tanky aint a good idea i dont want 99% of my units being unsuable

[primal patio]

Only ever did pvp for the baiken quest

[ripe sand]

I rather play tournaments than that goofy ah pvp

[hollow trench]

guilt the devs making units stronger

and not the game offering harder content

[scarlet willow]

the game being more casual friendly was still the best decision they ever made for this game

you cant argue against facts

[distant rune]

AGREE!!!

[crimson dome]

what server

i wish pvp had the defense mode as ranked

I agree though, as an endgame player who typically has nothing to do in the game

[vapid warren]

Yo let's bring back bosses like boo that regenerate 100k hp per tick

Gonna be very fun

[crimson dome]

as an endgame player who has like nothing to do in the game tho

I want harder more difficult content

so bad

like so bad

I want a reason to play this game beyond logging on for weekly / daily resets

[tidal brook]

wdym bring back they still ecisy

exist

and bleed/rupture exists

[vapid warren]

I mean im saying this with 4 broken tierlist monarchs

The game's probably gonna die agajn if they do more hard stuff like the cid raid or unreasonably hard stages

[tidal brook]

unreasonably hard stages like what

[vapid warren]

Guilty gear ex stage cid stage aot ex stage and constant annoying regen bosses in random stages

[tidal brook]

guilty gear ex stage and cid stage made sense 😥

regen bosses make sense for buu

[vapid warren]

True

[tidal brook]

wow i cant brute force killing a boss but i can easily counter it with bleef

[vapid warren]

Just use kaguya's nuke bro

Brutal🥀

[loud pasture]

btd6 says hi

[ripe sand]

Btd6 is goated

[sudden karma]

@last kindle

[lean lake]

Btd6 isnt hard

Only reason you should struggle in chimps is your either to new or dont have everything maxed

Even then just a little bit of thinking and you win

Love me some btd6 but its far from difficult

[mighty moon]

i think they should make EX stages harder, the one we got on berserk was barely considered a EX

no need to have difficult on everything like it was

but on specific stuff

[dreamy plinth]

Lowq want something like cid raid or sjw dungeon

[distant rune]

Cid raid is so tuff lets go

[dreamy plinth]

1800 runs is crazy 💔

[mighty moon]

loved cid raid before those handcuffs on solo

[mortal rock]

ngl i just want a mode where my monarchs r gonna be useful

they are only useful in wl lb which i am not doing

[mellow rain]

they cant

now days ppl just want simple stuff

[lean lake]

ive said it a few times but av just isnt made for hard conntent due to the way monarch works, the only real way to make "hard content" is either

1. you upscale everything, this is bad because then you either have a bunch monarchs, or you cant win. the best example for this is the guilty gear EX stage, and even with a bunch of monarchs (to my knowledge) you'd still need 1-2 people with simular teams.

2. you add really gimicky mechanics, this dosnt really make things hard just annoying asf and tedious, the best example of this would be the attack on titan ex stage, or the cid raid if you think counting to 4 is hard (most people do)

so its either 1. you lose unless you get lucky, or 2. you lose because, well fuck you the game said so

[mellow rain]

1 is literally the better one

cuz 2 is so shit sometimes

but 1 is boring

yea idk bruh

i dont mind hard content or annoying shit but other ppl just dont wana use their brains

causing them to quit

[lean lake]

exactly

I was about to say its silly av has probably the dumbest playerbase ive ever meet for a tower defense game

and thats because av has always just been "hehe hit hard = win"

outside of tourny players, and they smell funny so we dont talk about them

[mellow rain]

its actually crazy

[lean lake]

ong

[mellow rain]

pvp is rlly the only hard content

and ppl dont play thta either

and its so fun too

[lean lake]

if only pvp wasnt trash

[mellow rain]

sigh

[lean lake]

shit its hard because its so poorly made

[mellow rain]

if they just boost how fast the game are at the start

[lean lake]

av pvp gotta be the worse thing ive ever done bro

[loud pasture]

gl playing it from scratch without watching any YouTube tutorial
btw i dont remember the name of it because i dont play for years but there was a tournament type map there

[mortal rock]

its the opposite if u just take out the beginners which dont know how to play av or smt because av easily has like the 2nd smartest playerbase after tds

[loud pasture]

and that was hard

but yeah we need a 150m hp(does not stack) boss that regens, is immune to stun, regens, armor (not shield, but you can add that too) and teleports/dashes (like sukuna) with i frames🔥

[lean lake]

game teachs you how to play, its not that hard

[lean lake]

uh huh

same playerbase who couldnt figure out cids nuke

2nd smartest

[loud pasture]

nah

give them a break

[mortal rock]

thats why i said excluding the people who doesnt know how to play av

[lean lake]

no bro

[loud pasture]

it was broken

nah nah nah

that shit was not working on release

[lean lake]

so we exclude the dumb people, and then we are smart, fair argument

[glacial musk]

cid raid on release could skip numbers or straight up don't say any so...

[loud pasture]

i remember that i played it first minute and the codes wasnt matching cids text

[glacial musk]

that aswell

[lean lake]

even after that people still dont understand ts

you gotta do a whole explaination to stop a dude from pressing 3 before u press 2

[mortal rock]

yes

[lean lake]

proving my point G

regardless, its movie time, wings in the airfryer

[loud pasture]

check announcements arround this time

im not going crazy

ts was bugged

[lean lake]

type shit

[lean lake]

I never said It wasnt bugged, I was there when it dropped I dealt with it

but even NOW people struggle to understand counting to 4

av playerbase is NOT smart

[loud pasture]

i was a newbie at that time so i couldnt just guess it every time

i dont got aizens chair

so i was forced to use nimbus

if i recall

[lean lake]

if I had a dollar for everytime an av player just said something entirly unrelated to the argument

id be rich

[loud pasture]

uh

[lean lake]

read this really slow

[loud pasture]

nah i understood it i just decided to completely ignore the other part

😭

[lean lake]

proving my point g

[loud pasture]

i never said the av playbase is smart

🤷🏻‍♂️

[dense moat]

Dont tell me we back with this shit again
The devs are not gonna do it 😮‍💨

[lean lake]

ong

devs dont care about the 10 people who want a challenging td

[dreamy plinth]

Me too

[winged sparrow]

11 with me

[sudden karma]

@last kindle maintenance starts in 30 minutes

[loud pasture]

why we lying

[sudden karma]

no im annoying my friend he needs to finish wordlines

[loud pasture]

oh

as you should

missing i think 50 rerolls

is just pure stupidity

[hollow trench]

A lot of people are agreeing with AV needing hard content

I would say atleast half of the playarbase

[distant rune]

play wl and tournaments then

we dont want hard contents for casual gamemodes

that require thousand of attemp just for one unit

or a familiar

[hollow trench]

omg

play the 20 different casual modes

there are on the game

instead

is the same argument

every time

[distant rune]

solid argument

[loud pasture]

another solid argument:
Just get good bruh

[mellow rain]

It’s NOT half

[mellow rain]

The ppl that say av is too easy they simply want an hp scale up

Which is boring

[hollow trench]

thats the bare minimun yeah

hp scaling is something that AV alwas had

not sure why its a big deal now

make a 8 lane map with SPa, DMG, and range reduction

stun and regen

[loud pasture]

if i wasnt so unlucky on my alt i would already be on meta there 😭
i just need more 600 reroll for pity and yeah it's just that easy to get strong

[loud pasture]

no

8 is too much, especially with this

id say 6 without any change on your regular stats

since one play at each lane ik

[hollow trench]

make it 6 or 7 then

[loud pasture]

Noooooooo

i mean

i want it to be doable

dosent mean it needs to be soloable, just need to be able to beat it with a good group

[mellow rain]

not to the amount the av players want it

the hp scale that we have seen was the GG ex map

that shit was hell lol

[distant rune]

only 2 units were usuable anyways

"NUH UH IT SUPPOSED TO TEAMWORK"

teamwork my ass its literally 4 idiots with 4 decent monarch

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236981587355107420/1299999036912304188/togif.gif

[mellow rain]

they be having monarchs and still ass

like oh my 😭

[fossil minnow]

No point if the rewards suck

[distant rune]

this game is hella monarch reliant

[rare bluff]

rlly?

even if you have monarch you still need brain

[loud pasture]

and monarchs are easy to get

[distant rune]

anything bring diffuculty to players could kick 95% units out of meta

[fossil minnow]

I havent used a eth unit in so long 😭

Too expensive to be functional

[distant rune]

easy my ass its ez only after that downfall

[rare bluff]

not very easy but it easier than past

[distant rune]

i only have 7 monarchs and 6 are outdated

wait no

[rare bluff]

i haven't used an etheral unit bro

[distant rune]

2 usuable and 1 broken

[loud pasture]

who?

[loud pasture]

it is easy to

tho*

if you play the game

you can get 2-3+ in a month

[rare bluff]

i have 7 monarchs tho

so yea

[hexed forge]

Prime rengoku raid

[loud pasture]

i got around that too

[distant rune]

my last ethereal unit was vsjw anyways

[fossil minnow]

Ive got 7 but only 3 usable once thatll be powercrept soon enough

like mark

[rare bluff]

mark?

you mean invincible?

[distant rune]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-mark-omni-man-hugo-hugo-dance-gif-16156516806200771435

[rare bluff]

mine is saber

invincible is still good

[fossil minnow]

Im getting timed out for no reason

[rare bluff]

because you are saying the u word

its blacklisted for now

[distant rune]

i couldnt get white dess ethereal saber

ez MY ASS

[rare bluff]

Executor soon

[distant rune]

how could it be ez if i couldnt even get ethereal

[loud pasture]

idk why they banning the words

we could just say oopdate but it looks weird

[rare bluff]

it was my first time ever rerolling on an unit

[loud pasture]

nah

nah

[rare bluff]

i was a newbie back then

[loud pasture]

nha

why tf wouldn't you roll first on farms!!!!

[rare bluff]

i rolled on saber bro

[rare bluff]

it was my first time i got etheral on her

[distant rune]

those idiots spamming it too much like "WHEN IS @plucky escarp "

[loud pasture]

i mean saber was really good

[rare bluff]

it was back then like 4.5

[loud pasture]

do they know discord is only for people 13 and above

[rare bluff]

who cares

[distant rune]

i mean they could borrow their parent

https://tenor.com/view/cursed-ohio-meme-ayy-lmao-meme-kitty-gif-11740737186806017849

[rare bluff]

my first ever monarch was salter she carried me through everything

and i was carrying peoples with saber alter lol

[distant rune]

MY FIRST MONARCH WAS IGRIS AND THEY DECIDED TO MAKE HIM DIRTY

LETS GO

[rare bluff]

too bad

salter is still in sub meta

she is still decent

she deserves a vanguard familiar

[loud pasture]

dude

i got fucking

@plucky escarp baited

[distant rune]

atleast ur alter still decent she has immunity which is very useful

[rare bluff]

12 am is maintenance

[loud pasture]

imma say again because i think the message wont appear

4.5 was what @plucky escarp

[woven fable]

too much yap

[rare bluff]

sakura combo

[rare bluff]

you are giving a random person free xp lol

[loud pasture]

its fine, but 4.5 was the sjw @plucky escarp ?

if i reclal

recall

[rare bluff]

yes

[loud pasture]

right?

oh

saber wasnt so great there

but she was like sub meta i think

[woven fable]

ngl they should do another dhardandarn event but with a different vanguard instead of divalol

[loud pasture]

dhardandarn

[woven fable]

?

[distant rune]

ye he lietrally powercrept anything in meta tournament? he is top 1 wl? bro is top 1 inf? bro is top 1 boss rush? bro is top 1

[loud pasture]

allat just to get mogged by peakscanor

[loud pasture]

i actually went out of my way to make another igris

for this

i dont think ive ever used igris since i evoed sjw but he helped me a lot on the start

[rare bluff]

what a nice idea keep it urself

[loud pasture]

do we gain xp on this chat?

cuz ive been yapping for a good time and like

[rare bluff]

as long as you type you get xp

[loud pasture]

0 upgrades

[rare bluff]

uhh?

[ornate tangle]

no

[loud pasture]

im still elite lol

[ornate tangle]

suggestions dont give xp

[rare bluff]

bruuuh

[loud pasture]

yeah probably

[wary kernel]

Its true

30k + messages and im still stuck at lvl 30

[fossil minnow]

Whos idea was ts dawg

[rare bluff]

Booger

[crimson dome]

a real one just wants difficult endgame content

that’s it

I’m not saying make every game mode harder

but like give me hall of mirrors from Anime Defenders

Something

something new

and tweak odyssey a little bit

Make it a roguelite that I can do more than once a week and still get blessed with rewards that aren’t just familiar currencies

[vague valve]

hm idk how to really say this but to me av is becoming more of a game that only cares about getting the most players, all they do is drop up dates which can be easily done for new players which is honestly js extremely boring for players who want some actual challenging content instead of js a straight up afk fest.

[loud pasture]

ping @plucky escarp to say the word

[vague valve]

she fine w that>?

[wary kernel]

yeah

free mention farm

[loud pasture]

im 99% sure if she changed her mind recently

ill stop

[vague valve]

alr, making a suggestion abt @plucky escarp time so this will be helpful...

@up date

@up/date

okay

[rare bluff]

xd

This is funny bro

They put censor for that word?

lmao

So stupid

[rare bluff]

My boy bypasses the system

[vague valve]

was js testing cuz i was making a suggestion abt @pure charm schedule n shit

[rare bluff]

Lmao bro

Lol

[ornate tangle]

dumbasses that are saying its on next monday instead of thiis monday are so funny icl

[rare bluff]

Bro pinged someone for the word

[rare bluff]

Get ready buddy, u gonna get pinged hundreds of times for the word

Lmao

[mortal rock]

these @pure charm schedules are genuinely so horrible bro

[rare bluff]

xd

This @pure charm is amazing

[ornate tangle]

it doesnt exist

they said they were tryna do 2 weeks for .5 and 3 weeks for .0

cant keep up with what they promised us

[rare bluff]

Yea unfortunately

[mortal rock]

tbf i dont really care if it takes 2 or 3 weeks just release it on a friday or sunday and 4 weeks is a bit 2 much

[vague valve]

vote this shit up

[rare bluff]

LMAO

what a genius

[mortal rock]

already did

[vague valve]

heh guess u can call me that.

[fading silo]

When was av hard?

[vague valve]

ig when they didnt hand out 1k free rrs every @pure charm

[pure charm]

un vote this shit

[fading silo]

they made the game f2p :0

why would they do such a thing

they made getting monarch from actually playing the game instead of getting lucky or spending your life savings

[vague valve]

the game was already plenty f2p tho?

they started giving out much more rrs while not releasing any sort of hard content

an end game player has nothing to even farm

[tough nimbus]

Majority cried that the game was too hard, and I mean 85% of people cried about it

I liked it when it was hard, now there isn't anything to do tbh

So bored that I'm acc doing pvp

[vague valve]

other games exist.

[mortal rock]

yet none of them compare to av

[vague valve]

in what way? i switched to anime card clash (card rng game) and so far i have way more fun playing it than any time i played av 😭

[mortal rock]

different opinion

[vague valve]

...?

[full magnet]

For the GX GG stage u just need a full team with vsjw

Not that hard

[scarlet willow]

easiest vanguard obtainment

fuck difficult av this is peak

[vague valve]

Corny asf

[scarlet willow]

me or the thread?

[vague valve]

enjoy doing nothing not eeven half a day after the upd 🤣

[scarlet willow]

anime vanguards isnt the only game i play so why would i gaf

[vague valve]

so explain to me what did u enjoy about waiting 3 weeks js to get to play the upd for less than half a day?

[scarlet willow]

they make grinds tediously long to make up for their update times, now that they dont do that, the game is less tedious and fun to play

its a good thing that getting broly takes less than 10 hours

the ccu keeps going up gang

[vague valve]

fun?

lol

u got to play it for less than 12hrs

and now there's nothing to do agains

again*

"fun"

[scarlet willow]

and its fun and not tedious

[vague valve]

how is it fun waiting 3 weeks for less than 12hrs worth of content

still waiting for u to explain to me

[eager wolf]

Because no good can last forever...

[wary kernel]

just touch grass bro

😭

asking for absurd grinds so you can quench your thirst for atd games is wild work

[vague valve]

tell me the fun abt waiting 3 weeks for less than 12hrs than u can js afk...?

i js hopped on n did 1 dungeon n hopped off cuz its js straight up boring asf

[thick mulch]

Yea, game start look like als (dmg simulator) just use monarch kaguya/escanor and u can solo 99% content

[wary kernel]

if you really don't have anything else to do in the game then its really just a matter of either going into the comp scene or just taking a break

[vague valve]

lol i made a afk thingy using kaguya for world lines on my phone

[vague valve]

havent hopped on the game in 3 weeks but that still doesnt answer my question. How's it fun to wait 3 weeks for less than 12hrs of content that u can js afk.

the game became a worse dmg sim than als

[thick mulch]

New dungeon so easy i just place kaguya and go afk. Sjw grind was hard and long but u get best unit in game that why people think broly bad because he easy to get if u lucky u can get him in 4 hour grind

[wary kernel]

i find casual grinds fun, atleast from a player who doesint activly afk the game and is busy with school. Fun how? its satisfying getting the units and rolling traits on it without having to spend 30+ hours grinding

[vague valve]

closed my suggestion 1 day after i posted it 💀

[wary kernel]

as simple as that

[vague valve]

they making polls when 90% of their community got some loose screws

making polls for 13yos

[vague valve]

not like ur gonna afk for the next few weeks to get monarch on em otherwise u cant use em 💀

[wary kernel]

i litteraly haveint afked the game since 6.0

most patches last me a week and a half to finish

[vague valve]

words never prove anything to me 🤷‍♂️

[thick mulch]

They don't like talking about that. Last time game semi-die because it take to long and no enough content. Now they add event for trait so people can normally grind

[wary kernel]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[vague valve]

became a trait rring sim atp

[sage hamlet]

if the grind was any longer u would just be bored playing the game for a longer amount of time

[vague valve]

sjw event=

not event

[sage hamlet]

what

[vague valve]

but like upd

[vague valve]

pretty sure it was their biggest update and had the longest grind ever.

[sage hamlet]

the grind wasnt fun tho imo

js grindy

[vague valve]

do u expect to get the best unit within hours?

[sage hamlet]

i dont really care about getting the best unit atp

[arctic karma]

Yeah make Dio OH these requirements at least
It's too easy

[sage hamlet]

u can beat everything with like the top 15 units

[vague valve]

as a new player u can literally js go and get freiza then pick that 1 mod that makes him have monarch and 0 cost to upg

then ez vanguard brolly

in like 6hrs

great game design

[sage hamlet]

even if that wasnt the case would it be any more fun

u would still do the same stage for 6+ hours

[vague valve]

idk what fun ur talking about, i played av for strategy in the beginning but now its a monarch shit hole

[sage hamlet]

if u played for strategy why are u complaining abt the grind

[vague valve]

dont even need to lift a finger anymore

js afk

and afk

[sage hamlet]

u can make the game harder for ur self

js the player’s decision

[marsh root]

go play tds then

[vague valve]

...?

[marsh root]

av never gonna be difficult with monarch and traits go play btd6 or tds

[vague valve]

how does upd time relate to difficulty

[sage hamlet]

i was talking about u complaining abt the grind

[scarlet willow]

if they didnt that would just be fucking insane

they both take well over 60-70 (shut up) hours to obtain

[sage hamlet]

67 😅

[vague valve]

you want me to be happy about waiting 3weeks for less than 12hrs of content that i can js afk while im at school or while im asleep?

[marsh root]

acting like if av was difficult you couldn’t 🥭 it

[sage hamlet]

if thats not what u want then what do u want

what do u want out of av in terms of content

[vague valve]

i mean i was never really able to afk farm in aa so yeah?

a vanguard shouldnt take less than 4hrs to obtain

shouldnt be difficult to understand that

[marsh root]

cause they made batshit crazy gamemodes not suitable for solo f2p players

[vague valve]

content that i can play for more than a day and not only for a couple hrs after waiting nearly a month?

[scarlet willow]

do you want a 24 hour grind thats tedious?

like i dont understand

[sage hamlet]

so u want a tedious grind?

[scarlet willow]

i get the wait is insane but idk whats wrong with 10 hours of content

[marsh root]

its not okay he can just afk grind it

[sage hamlet]

play odyssey

[scarlet willow]

thats his fault

he doesnt have to lmfao

[vague valve]

what gamemodes? u cna solo anything in aa except raids using some basic strategy, raids can be easily solod after buying the tomes shit

[scarlet willow]

monarch modifier and frieza makes this already so easy

[vague valve]

yet was still the best performing upd 💀

[scarlet willow]

the ant king quest was the very very annoying part

[scarlet willow]

it had 120k ccu?

[marsh root]

sjw and solo leveling was trending???

[scarlet willow]

yea thats the main factor

[vague valve]

more pretty sure

[sage hamlet]

ant king quest is so stupid

[scarlet willow]

i got to skip it 🤑

[sage hamlet]

😡

[vague valve]

av and good updates in the same sentence

[scarlet willow]

9.0 is gonna reach 150k ccu

i know it will

[marsh root]

bro wants some rpg expansion for a good update

[vague valve]

quite obvsly? look at how much shit they giving to new players and returning players lmao

escanor= free monarch

brolly= free monarch

then free rrs

meant free vanguard^

[livid eagle]

Escanor was still like 70 hours

[sage hamlet]

js accept that ur the minority n devs wont do things the minority wants

[scarlet willow]

theyve been cooking what are you talking about

[sage hamlet]

av is js a game u play for a couple days when it updates

[scarlet willow]

aot and gg were bad, summer was eh but had very good additions

but berserk and this one

is pure peak

best updates in avs history

[livid eagle]

That’s just a problem cuz of the update schedule not cuz of the updates themselves

[scarlet willow]

loud minority

120k ccu

[vague valve]

becuae they took like 6hrs each to complete?

[sage hamlet]

[scarlet willow]

because they appealed to casuals

[marsh root]

120k ccu as u mentioned

[scarlet willow]

thats one of the reasons, yes

[sage hamlet]

both

[vague valve]

lmao u guys bringing ccu now but wouldnt when we were talking abt vsjw upd?

the longest grind and hardest?

[sage hamlet]

hardest?

[scarlet willow]

vsjw was also a good update?

[vague valve]

and expecting that crazy votes in suggestions is beyond insane

[scarlet willow]

the grind couldve been shorter but the gamemode was good and fun, the unit was good

[vague valve]

good and fun?

okay

[scarlet willow]

yeah?

[vague valve]

you lost the plot

[scarlet willow]

you did a long time ago

[livid eagle]

It was fun?

[marsh root]

hardest is insane ngl

[scarlet willow]

"if the update isnt portal slop its ass"

thats you

youre seriously complaining about a 10 hour grind being "too short"

^

[vague valve]

in what way

[scarlet willow]

i also liked it because it actually could be beaten with solo leveling units

you dont need anything else

[livid eagle]

I enjoyed playing it ?

[vague valve]

but how's it fun

[livid eagle]

Bro idk I just had fun I don’t need a reason😭😭

[vague valve]

what else was harder since then?

[livid eagle]

The grind was enjoyable

[dry jungle]

complain when stuff to hard also complaing when stuff to easy

crazy

[scarlet willow]

engaging, its the perfect difficulty, and its more unique than most stages

[earnest nymph]

this update was so easy too

[marsh root]

ex stages

[vague valve]

monarch kaguya=

monarch vsjw=

[marsh root]

oooo tufff you need monarch

so smart

genius boy

[vague valve]

engaging 😭 swear everyone was js afk the entire time 💀

the only engaging gamemode in the entire game was cid raid

nothing else

[marsh root]

could beat solo leveling raid with cha hae in with blitz or marksman and a good unit 😭😭😂

[scarlet willow]

whos everyone?

[scarlet willow]

thats why its perfect

no bullshit mechanics

you could use old ass units

i missed cha-in and igris

i didnt get to use em for long

[marsh root]

dudes a genius for saying monarch kaguya & monarch vsjw

[scarlet willow]

because when i got igris i already had tengen

[dry jungle]

someone delete this

[vague valve]

cha in but had to be focused all the time to not pick debuffs for 50 runs each taking 20mins

fun 🔥

[marsh root]

you need a monarch to beat it 😱😱

[marsh root]

tedious but not hard

[livid eagle]

Hard content shouldn’t need monarch to be beat?

[vague valve]

what lmao?

[marsh root]

hes saying that ant raid is harder than ex stages cause you need monarch kaguya to beat it

[earnest nymph]

acting like monarchs hard to get 💔

[upper gorge]

bro what is this post lol browski wants av at 5k players again

[livid eagle]

Oh mb

[scarlet willow]

LOL

[livid eagle]

They were back then

[earnest nymph]

ioh back then

yeah

[marsh root]

acting like ant raid is the hardest raid💔

[earnest nymph]

true

[vague valve]

okay whats harder defending 4 paths or 1 paths?

[earnest nymph]

it literally isnt 💔

steel ball is harder

[scarlet willow]

igris and cha-in:

[marsh root]

talk to @vague valve about that then

[upper gorge]

prob 4

[scarlet willow]

the modifier that buffs you by 250% the more paths there are:

[vague valve]

the bp freeze unit was able to solo act 4 so what are you on 😭

i remember using the bp freeze unit to afk farm act 4 for diego

[earnest nymph]

chain and sjw can solo ant raid?

you need that specific unit

my gogeta monarch

couldnt dps the act 4-5

[vague valve]

and make sure not to pick debuffs while spending 3x the time 👍

[scarlet willow]

huh 💀

[earnest nymph]

its still not the hardest

js more tedious

[earnest nymph]

deadass

try it

[scarlet willow]

sounds like ur buns 💔

[earnest nymph]

😭

[vague valve]

we js lying now? a 500k dmg unit couldnt beat act 4

[earnest nymph]

yeah

[marsh root]

exactly

[vague valve]

alright ill try it rn

[marsh root]

whats hard about that

[vague valve]

what u gon give me if i can do it

[earnest nymph]

yeah use just gogeta

no supports

nothing

lmfao

[eager wolf]

Mfs forget that gilgamesh could solo it

That 5s nuke

[vague valve]

but gogeta couldnt

[vague valve]

no farms?

[marsh root]

fraudulent bum bro fell out of meta immediately 😂😂

[earnest nymph]

no i used farms

[marsh root]

temu gilgamesh

[vague valve]

alright then what am i getting if i beat it?

[earnest nymph]

nothing buddy

[vague valve]

"gogeta cant solo act 4 of sbr"

[earnest nymph]

try it then

💔

[vague valve]

go on and spread fake info and get my monarch gogeta buffed

[earnest nymph]

maybe its cause i was magroing it

and i coudlnt win

not sure

but you sure as hell cant afk it with gogeta

[vague valve]

i afked the raid with a bp unit on my phone

stop making up bs

[earnest nymph]

yeah gogeta cant

place gogeta at the start

max upgrade

but dont tp

[vague valve]

gogeta cant solo it but a bp unit can

[earnest nymph]

yup

[vague valve]

wdym "start"

[earnest nymph]

start of them ap

[vague valve]

this guy is a fucking genius yo

arguing with av glazers makes you nothing but a fool

[scarlet willow]

av glazers???

what are we glazing

[earnest nymph]

leave him bro he seems stupid

[scarlet willow]

hes calling me a glazer for saying the new dungeon is good 💀

[earnest nymph]

calling me a glazer for saying gogeta can't solo steel ball 💔

[marsh root]

yo he might use the other gogeta

[earnest nymph]

im oab the red one

[vague valve]

"No tp"

[scarlet willow]

what are you talking about bro

[earnest nymph]

gogeta no tp can't beat steel ball 💔

[vague valve]

^

[earnest nymph]

gogeta no tp can beat ant raid

you need nature/water units to beat steel ball

you can nearly use any unit that's meta to beat ant raid

[vague valve]

like you cant for any other content in the game 😭

"you can use meta units to beat content in the game"

[sage river]

current av is so shit bro

theres legit no content

any unit above 50k dps solos like everything

whats the point of new units having 200k+ dps if enemies have like no modifiers now and 200k hp 💔

we havent gotten a better familiar in like 4-5 months bro

[loud pasture]

dang

[loud pasture]

this is so true

av is taking a good path for the devs but a terrible path for loyal players

[vague valve]

these fucks cant comprehend that

i genuinely dont fucking understand what they find so fun about av now

ur getting everything handed to u

whats the point of even playing anymore

u dont have to grind for shit

ima js wait for upd 9 and if its dog shit then thats me done with av

[rare bluff]

The problem is they making op ass units then they not making the stages any harder to counter that

[vagrant loom]

Current av balancing is shit now ever since they added escanor

But it is a good thing personally, I enjoy the easy gamemodes

[placid elk]

Birb tryna pull a ywach

[vague valve]

they're making the game horrible js to get more new players

[scarlet willow]

hows the game horrible

genuinely what was bad about last update

[loud pasture]

last=this one or 8.0

?

[scarlet willow]

8.0

i cant think of anything bad about last one

[vague valve]

the fact we waited weeks to finish it in less than 3hrs.

[loud pasture]

sukuna

[scarlet willow]

what difference does it make

[scarlet willow]

?

[vague valve]

yo dont diss my first monarch

but yeah sukuna

upd 1 unit

= best unit

w balancing

🔥

[scarlet willow]

he got a vanguard familiar to make up for him not getting a vanguard evo

thats why hes so strong

[loud pasture]

did it really had to make him top 1 damage dealer of the game tho?

[vague valve]

30mins for 5 days= becoming the best unit in game

i was the first guy to make a suggestion abt giving sukuna smth when they made the poll cuz gojo was obvs gonna win

[scarlet willow]

vanguards are op, so hes op

[vague valve]

never expected him to become strongest unit lmao

[vague valve]

🤔

[shut vessel]

ur like saying turn av to an AA copy without the model change

[loud pasture]

unit about to become 1 year old soon bud 😭

[scarlet willow]

i dont think u listened

he was going to get a vanguard evolution

but they couldnt make it

so he got that familiar

to scale him to the vanguard he was supposed to be

[vague valve]

wanting to use strategy in a strategy game means copying aa? sure lol

so they dropped 2 vanguards?

gojo n sukuna?

[shut vessel]

remember gg upd,and aot upd, i think it was the lowest when they used ur idea of thinking

[vague valve]

in 1 upd

[scarlet willow]

yeah its peak

[vague valve]

6.0= cuz of the like 1 day maintenance and pvp

7.0= units were shit, no point grinding for em

the stages werent dififcult

[loud pasture]

tbh

[scarlet willow]

💀

[tranquil ridge]

The higher difficulty = more monarch reliant = less players

[loud pasture]

nowsdays you getting monarchs like they are nothing

[shut vessel]

u need monarch kaguya to even get a chance to get eren are you delusional or sum?

[shut vessel]

that's what im saying

[loud pasture]

its not like they cant make something fun because of noobs who dont play the game 🤷‍♂️

[vague valve]

its not hard to intruduce traitless to stages with more rewards

[loud pasture]

traitless is ass because it removes golden

[shut vessel]

just do like peryfc choose weak units in hard stages to get ''strategy experience''

[loud pasture]

so you want me to build terrible units to have a little fun in the game?

[tranquil ridge]

And they can’t mk many traitless gamemodes the whole game revolves around ‘monarch’
Ppl wudnt spend money if monarchs/traits werent needed

[shut vessel]

yeah they won't change the whole game mechanic for ur rusty ass

[scarlet willow]

berserk ex:

[tranquil ridge]

And they can’t mk many traitless gamemodes the whole game revolves around ‘monarch’
Ppl wudnt spend money if monarchs/traits werent needed
^^^

[loud pasture]

the mechanic being just extremely easy modes and extremely strong units?

[shut vessel]

isn't this what u wanted

[tranquil ridge]

One stage out of 100 ig its one step

[shut vessel]

u people cried about monarch being too strong

[loud pasture]

no, i want fairly strong units with extremely strong modes

[loud pasture]

whos u

[shut vessel]

i mean you the community

[vague valve]

traits and traitless duh?

[shut vessel]

most of the community like it this way

[tranquil ridge]

Jst thinking in devs perspective most of their income comes from traits

[shut vessel]

they won't remove this formula for 0.1% of the community

[vague valve]

so? u still need monarchs to afk?

[shut vessel]

bundles*

[tranquil ridge]

A fraction yh tournament
Boss rush some events one legend stage out of the dozens of trait enabled ones

[vague valve]

oh can we talk about how much bs they've been doing with bundles?

[loud pasture]

till all the noobs realise they are extremely strong (even tho they wont even try to build their characters slightly) and the game dry out

[vague valve]

they gives units the worst shinies possible

[tranquil ridge]

With mostly traits yh 💔

[vague valve]

then give them skins from bundles

[shut vessel]

the game is sitting around 120k ccu players i don't think they gonna die out anysoon

[vague valve]

mori should've gotten that shiny model and not make it a bundle exclusive

how tf u make the skin look 100x better than the shiny

[loud pasture]

yeah because noobs are just starting to get strong now

[vague valve]

basically killing the shiny unit value

[tranquil ridge]

Nah its jst way easier with them but they downplayed monarch in recent upds

[shut vessel]

only good argument u made so far

[vague valve]

[shut vessel]

then it should be easy for u two dummy

[loud pasture]

thats the thing

i dont want it to be easy

[tranquil ridge]

So u buy it and give them money💔

[loud pasture]

thats no fun

[vague valve]

talking abt good arguments while ur crying here asking for more and more easy gamemodes 😭

[vapid warren]

I don't want difficult av no no🥺

[shut vessel]

it's only easy for p2w,f2p on the other hand,you have to grind ur shit to get ur shit to play with it

[tranquil ridge]

👶😭

[vapid warren]

I want to be able to get every vanguard in just 3 hours no no🥺🥺😭

[shut vessel]

i just don't want another byeken situation,making the game hard is fine by me,but for 99% of the community it's not

[loud pasture]

can i get a screenshot of your deck rq

[tranquil ridge]

Dw its gna stay ez forever

[vapid warren]

Im being sarcastic

[tranquil ridge]

Nah

[shut vessel]

f2p btw

[vapid warren]

Keep deadeye on broly or go for monarch

[scarlet willow]

im gonna get monarch broly guys watch

[reef jungle]

you’re missing one

[keen hill]

mon every mode except inf, lb and tourneys

[shut vessel]

i don't even got vip,to make sure im full f2p

[loud pasture]

i dont get your point 🤷‍♂️

[vapid warren]

Oh ty

[scarlet willow]

😔

[loud pasture]

you just said f2ps struggle

[shut vessel]

u said u wanted ss?

[loud pasture]

when you got 14 mon

[shut vessel]

sooner or later

[shut vessel]

most of my monarchs are under 100rrs

[vague valve]

pvp?

[keen hill]

i hope they make atleast dio oh hard to get

[reef jungle]

they’re not

[vapid warren]

Don't make me blush🥺

[reef jungle]

lol

[shut vessel]

i mean the ex stage u need 4 ppl at that time to even get a chance to beat it and most of the pvp are lvl 12,30

[keen hill]

sucks

[reef jungle]

I do hope hes a quest tho

[keen hill]

i like they are trying to welcome new players but new units aren't even satisfying to get

[reef jungle]

I can’t even pull gogeta ass

fuck drop rates

😭

[vapid warren]

They really be filtering anything now tho

[reef jungle]

Dio quest prob gonna be something like

[loud pasture]

DO NOT TYPE THE C WORD IN THIS PHOTO GUYS DONT

[vague valve]

leave, didnt even have to win and the stage wasnt allat if u js organized a team and used strategy which av players lack greatly

[reef jungle]

Obtain all anniversary units or some shit

[keen hill]

and most of them are op and there's no gamemode where you can use them because everything too easy

[vague valve]

deadass bro

[shut vessel]

that bug was only for pvp

[loud pasture]

new players already got it too easy

[vague valve]

mhm which was the only annoying part

[reef jungle]

Don’t they get vegeta and kenny

now

or smth

[keen hill]

yeah wtf like 240 rrs just by logging in

[loud pasture]

besides release where you could get arguably the best unit in the game with a luffy and a lot of time

[shut vessel]

ex stage hello???

[loud pasture]

this is the easiest time ever

[keen hill]

i really hope they do make something for endgame players

[vague valve]

they're doing way to o fucking much for new players, hundreds of rrs, basically free vanguards and free meta units

[shut vessel]

so most of the commuinity doesn't cry about the game being '''too monarch reliant''

[keen hill]

exactly

[loud pasture]

then just get a monarch 🤷‍♂️

[vague valve]

i mean you chose to ignore my first reply so that on you?

[keen hill]

broly is like 20 times easier than vsjw

[shut vessel]

i got 14 so im good

[reef jungle]

90

[keen hill]

[reef jungle]

the only problem I’m having is gogeta not dropping for me

fuck this

6k coins

[keen hill]

you need only frieza i think

[shut vessel]

when they make it easy you people cry,when they make it hard the whole community cries

[reef jungle]

I’m using only him

😭

this game just hates me ig

[keen hill]

yes but the past few updates were all easy

we need a balance

[vague valve]

evo or unevo?

[reef jungle]

evo

[vague valve]

oh wait

[keen hill]

unevo works too

[vague valve]

btw it wont count if ur using the modifire that gives him monarch and free upgs

[shut vessel]

tell me if you're a dev what u gonna do leave 90% of the community or leave 10%?

[winter zephyr]

It does

[shut vessel]

it does

[vague valve]

it doesnt

[reef jungle]

i thought they fixed that

[vague valve]

there's literally a bug

[winter zephyr]

They fixed it

[shut vessel]

they fixed it

[vague valve]

u have 6k coins and u think its fixed?

[reef jungle]

you right

[loud pasture]

dobig mentality

[winter zephyr]

I got mine with only frieza and that modifier

[shut vessel]

how u copy me and i copy u at the same time

[winter zephyr]

😳

[loud pasture]

im lowkey doing this rn 😭

[shut vessel]

dobig is only hungry for money,while anime vanguards is giving u the chance to get monarch without spending a dime

and you're crying about that

[reef jungle]

when will we have grow a vanguard

[shut vessel]

if u want a hard av go play AA it's much harder and it suits ur likings

[reef jungle]

[loud pasture]

buddy

you gotta love monarchs

[keen hill]

so this guy just want all updates to be easy and shit

[loud pasture]

thats all you talk about holy

[shut vessel]

ofc i do who doesn't 1+1 ahh question

[winter zephyr]

Are u sure u are only using frieza before the modifier 🤔 after i remove other units i got it after 2 tries

[loud pasture]

i got NOTHING against giving monarchs for free

but i want the content to be hard

[shut vessel]

then don't get a monarch?

[loud pasture]

oh and a little stop with secrets being better then vanguards

[keen hill]

could be even traitless so they don't complain about p2w

[loud pasture]

oh yeah either youre ragebaiting or just

[keen hill]

i grind units and all new stuff is either easy or they give u units

like summer inf

[shut vessel]

you're questions are dumb,what'd you expect?

[reef jungle]

yes

[loud pasture]

barely

barely caught me

in this ragebait

[reef jungle]

only frieza

[shut vessel]

im not even trying to ragebait you

[winter zephyr]

Luck issue

[shut vessel]

im just spitting facts

when the game went out of their way to make it hard

it died

[reef jungle]

more like bullshit issue

[shut vessel]

it reached the bottom

[winter zephyr]

🥺

[shut vessel]

when they made the content easy enough for new-returning players- the game is peaking in players

[loud pasture]

stop trying

[keen hill]

does that mean everything has to be new player friendly then

[loud pasture]

btw ragebaiting is mutable

[shut vessel]

ur just dumb i swear

[shut vessel]

the game is gaining money

[keen hill]

there needs to be a balance

[shut vessel]

if i was them, i would continue on that road till i milk it dry

[keen hill]

indeed but we are talking about how to make the game better why are u talking about gain

[shut vessel]

you want the game hard,yet ur still weak to call yourself strong

[keen hill]

u corny as hell😭

[shut vessel]

u dumb as hell

[keen hill]

you want the game hard,yet ur still weak to call yourself strong

[winter zephyr]

A bunch of easy updates make the game die because u take it as repetitive, even if they add new mechanics, it become a simulator 😱

[keen hill]

this guy doesn't understand because he's riding devs

[shut vessel]

do you want another byeken/aot situation

[reef jungle]

wait ppl found aot hard

[vague valve]

it already is a simulator

rng sim

[shut vessel]

werent u compalining a few updates ago about monarchs being too hard to get?

[vague valve]

trait rr sim

rring^

[shut vessel]

it has always been like that,it has never changed

[vague valve]

apparently 😭

[winter zephyr]

The game die at that moments because no one ask for aot and gg update for PvP , aot was bad too cuz anti-monarch units, people usually play this game for things like monarch that makes the game easier

[shut vessel]

plus who said this game gonna keep making shit easy every update

[shut vessel]

gg updated died cuz byeken was too hard to get elphelt was monarch reliant and the update was overall a buggy hard mess

and you could solo the whole aot upd with jst monarch kaguya

[vague valve]

literally the past 3 updates when they strarted handing out like 1k free rrs every upd w little to no grinding 💀

[shut vessel]

so it was also monarch reliant

[winter zephyr]

It don’t look like that if the stages are hard, if u beat everything easy at the first moment of update every single update make looks more a simulator imo, like anime ranger or als

[shut vessel]

money?,everyone likes money,im not a p2w myself,but the way i see it,that it makes the bundles worth to buy

[vague valve]

buggy hard mess while dropping unplayable gamemode and making the only grindable stage only doable with 4 ppl

[winter zephyr]

The quest vanguard should’ve harder, dont u think? What is gonna be harder, a random raid update?

[vague valve]

okay genuinely who tf is talking about fucking bundles now

[vague valve]

a new player can summon for freiza and get the newest vanguard 😭

[keen hill]

we were talking about the game being easy and this mf joins talking about sum keeping 10% of players

[shut vessel]

sjw is still better than broly (imo),i agree broly should've been harder and more stronger to get,but we just do so little that they won't even notice.

[winter zephyr]

The game die for all bugs, PvP (something that is anti-Towerdefense mode and no one ask for)not because it was hard

[shut vessel]

every game have bugs atp

[winter zephyr]

Fr