Make Gilgamesh come back as an permanently obtainable Secret but keep the old ones as Exclusives

[dusk current]

no

[late minnow]

i said lmao ok

[raven hinge]

ive seen a lot

yes there are

[dusk current]

ur js simply refreshing ur infos

[raven hinge]

what is this AI propaganda

[dusk current]

thats how i see

[dusk current]

@raven hinge

[stone rivet]

What kind of risk

[pale tartan]

You said who feels a sense of accomplishment doing homework

[raven hinge]

the AI being wrong

[stone rivet]

Oh yeah of course

Ai is never ever 100% objectively correct

[honest fractal]

holy fuck the study’s longer than I thought

[stone rivet]

It's trained on mostly human data

[late minnow]

yeah and u go on a whole spiel about how people who care about doing homework "the legit way" are more successful

[dusk current]

yh if the human is wrong the ai is wrong aswell

[stone rivet]

Which also is not 100% correct

[frail marsh]

@raven hinge you still havent answered

[late minnow]

hot take but ai is the most human thing ever made

[raven hinge]

just read the past messages here

[pale tartan]

I just said the type of people who feels that way🥀

[dusk current]

it is

[stone rivet]

What does that mean

[honest fractal]

because I’d imagine that people who actually do homework with their time and brainpower will be more successful than those whom use ai to think and answer for them

[stone rivet]

What would be the least human thing made

[raven hinge]

we'd definitely make something like AI

[late minnow]

efficiency

[late minnow]

candles

[honest fractal]

are we deaduzz

[frail marsh]

obviously chatgpt like gives me 75% of my questions answered correctly and 25% accidental misinfo which is easily noticeable

[raven hinge]

lemons probably

[pale tartan]

And you responded acting like I was telling you to be some type of shut in

[stone rivet]

Lemons are not even human made

[honest fractal]

iirc they are

[raven hinge]

actually they are nvm

theyre a crossbreed

[honest fractal]

they were produced through hybridizing

[pale tartan]

Isnt it like evry fruit we eat

Oranges

[raven hinge]

yeah

[pale tartan]

bananas

[honest fractal]

pretty much

[raven hinge]

we just crossbreed until we like it

[dusk current]

imo u should feel accomplished that u learned how to do ur homework rather than finishing it

[stone rivet]

Dang I didn't know that

[honest fractal]

bananas used to be full of seeds but we selectively bred bananas into hardly ever producing them to get more of that yummy flesh

[late minnow]

i mean theyre made, trained, and literally just simulate human behavior

because they were made by us

[stone rivet]

Monoculture

[dusk current]

its literally in the name artificial intelligence

[stone rivet]

Probably one of the coolest discoveries of human kind

[honest fractal]

fruits are so sweet nowadays that they can be toxic to other animals whom used to use them as food sources

[stone rivet]

Despite its very bad adverse effects

[pale tartan]

Thats like saying you feel happy you know how to get monarch instead of getting monarch

[late minnow]

was chocolate made by humans

[stone rivet]

Oldest too

[dusk current]

yh cuz u can get more monarchs

[late minnow]

not really

theyre two different things

[stone rivet]

Yes and no

[dusk current]

and why u comparing luck with hard work ?

😭

[honest fractal]

yesnt

[late minnow]

i know

[honest fractal]

chocolate is made primarily from cocoa beans

[late minnow]

idiots

god

[pale tartan]

Reaching pity is hardwork

[late minnow]

i have grok next to me

i dont need ur opinions

[dusk current]

ok and ?

[stone rivet]

Who is grok

[dusk current]

u might be lucky 1 time

[frail marsh]

is it better than chat

[stone rivet]

[pale tartan]

The answer to your question

[late minnow]

i dont know

but grok sounds cooler

so

[honest fractal]

@grok is this true

[frail marsh]

chat is corny sometimes

[dusk current]

and isnt it better knowing how to get monarch than getting lucky 1 time or 2 ?

[late minnow]

what if instead of human trained ai it was ai trained humans ❓

[dusk current]

owner of facebook

😭

[late minnow]

im pretty sure a real person made this

[pale tartan]

Here let me rephrase it with no external factors like luck it would feel better to grind the trait rr for pity rather than just knowing the efficient way to grind rr without actually doing it

[frail marsh]

what am i seeing

3 hand

[frail marsh]

go back to football bro

[late minnow]

anyways anime vanguards gilgamesh!

[winged night]

💔

[dusk current]

💔

u missed my point but wtv

[floral moth]

all sybau and glaze goku

[frail marsh]

uhh

[late minnow]

gilgamesh

[floral moth]

This suggestion went off topic so much

😭

[late minnow]

wow

look at him

[dusk current]

such a cool unit

[late minnow]

what if

get this

he was a permanently obtainable secret

but keep the old ones as exclusives

[pale tartan]

Omg last time explaining you would feel happy knowing you applied the thing you learned to something important rather than just learning it

[late minnow]

id be more happy learning that i can do it than that i got the answer

because that means i can replicate it

is that wym?

[dusk current]

yh

its like asking if ur happy to learn rather than js mindlessly learn

😭

[frail marsh]

@grok what does this mean

[dusk current]

lemme ask chatgpt

[pale tartan]

Actually on the topic of this suggestion is buns just say your broke and couldn’t get gilga😹

[dusk current]

i mean can u rlly blame him since gilga was around the same time aa got released ?

nobody cared about av when aa rereleased

[late minnow]

i have him

😭

im crying

[pale tartan]

Even more of a fault for being a bandwagon

[late minnow]

bro i HAVE him

TWO

infact

[frail marsh]

[pale tartan]

Im not talking abt you im talking abt the op

[frail marsh]

i got 2 gilgas i still want the rerun broski

i mean

[dusk current]

tf u saying that

[frail marsh]

seperate unit

[dusk current]

we should all stick to grinding av

and not care what happens next ?

[winged night]

i stayed with my goat av

at their worst

[frail marsh]

dandadan

[dusk current]

got 2 gilga's and a spare key

[frail marsh]

lol

[dusk current]

play that

[late minnow]

av still had a ton of flaws at the time

[pale tartan]

It is your own mistake not playing the game while he was out not anybody else’s why should they cater to your problem

[frail marsh]

i got 100 gilgas and an enkidu

[late minnow]

u cant deny that

[dusk current]

cuz everyone requests it

they knew they fucked up the update

so why would the playerbase suffer cuz of them ?

😭

[pale tartan]

???

[honest fractal]

how Gilgamesh owners deadass feel knowing their buns unit has no trading value due to being around for 5 whole updates and will remain as a buns unit forever but clearly we shouldn’t bring him back because “eughhhh b-but the trading value..! b-but the original owners of Gilgamesh b-but…” shits everywhere

[dusk current]

do u think it was a good update ?

[frail marsh]

exactly who cares about trading

[pale tartan]

He getting a vangaurd familiar cope😹😹

[dusk current]

ppl with godtier birbs

and 100 gilgamesh

[winged night]

literally nothing was wrong with the fate update

[frail marsh]

we'd rather have him made as a usable good unit

[frail marsh]

btw

[dusk current]

badly timed update

and mid update

[late minnow]

yeah birbs gonna be like

THE trading currency

[frail marsh]

is this counted as a godly birb

[late minnow]

nah the updt was lowkey mid

[frail marsh]

12.7 dmg 40.7critdmg 24.4 critchance but -20 range

[honest fractal]

because vanguard familiars are really unique concepts and should be implemented over just straight up reworking the unit in question

[winged night]

not their fault?

[dusk current]

base currency ngl

[honest fractal]

oh my god I hate vanguard familiars

[dusk current]

💀

100% their fault

[winged night]

did you want them to delay an already finished update for a week just because aa dropped?

[late minnow]

but if he gets a vangaurdd evo we'll be compensatedd with a cool skin

then our gilgameshes

will look

amazing

..

[dusk current]

yh

from a dev point its the best choice

[winged night]

you cannot ragebait me

[dusk current]

its not ragebait ur js too dumb to understand

[pale tartan]

Nah id rather gatekeep

[frail marsh]

i got a birb that's like 16.6 dmg 19.1critdmg 14.9critchance (and positive range but ion remember how much) is this godly

or what

[floral moth]

no

[late minnow]

our gilgameshes will look sick tho

if we got a skin

for og.

[frail marsh]

then what is a godly birb

[floral moth]

no give gilg 90000 dmg and inf range

for me only

[honest fractal]

out of all the exclusive units we choose to gatekeep Gilgamesh as if he won’t be worth a fifth of a reroll 💔

[dusk current]

decent

[dusk current]

is it corrupted ?

[frail marsh]

damn decent?

[pale tartan]

Yeah why not bring diavolo back to because everyone didn’t grind for him and evry other limited ever

[honest fractal]

same with Ishtar honestly

[frail marsh]

yes

[honest fractal]

can we bring Ishtar back too

[dusk current]

mid then

[frail marsh]

wait what

[winged night]

thats like expecting devs releasing a game in may 2026 to delay their game just because gta 6 comes out

[honest fractal]

we haven’t gotten a single banner limited unit since Ishtar btw

it was an arbitrary choice making her limited tbh

[dusk current]

they will eventually dw

[winged night]

(theyre not)

[dusk current]

thats literally the worst example u could give

[winged night]

its not

[dusk current]

they did it with limited familiars and evo items

real soon units

or u js too oblivious to tell

[honest fractal]

because comparing the game’s first ever vanguard whom was dropped during a time where the game was falling off so not many people have him to an exclusive unit who was easy to get dupes of and was around for 5 whole updates is a fair comparison when discussing the return of a limited unit

[dusk current]

both were limited units btw

limited isnt even a real thing

its js an illusion to make ppl grind the game

[floral moth]

What should I eat

[honest fractal]

I fucking hate limited units as concepts btw but that’s a story for another time

[glass kindle]

isnt he right?

why would you release a game during gta 6's weekend time knowing ur not getting players in nor profit coming in

[pale tartan]

Literally the same arguement your using for bringing back gilg but diavolo is a vangaurd

[dusk current]

its a tactic for ppl to grind the game

its the fear of missing out

[honest fractal]

diavolo was also a 0.005% drop without pity

I don’t see how it’s the same

Bringing back Diavolo would have much more impact than bringing back Gilgamesh

That’s kind of a bad thing

[floral moth]

Ngl

Do we really wanna gatekeep gilg out of all units

[dusk current]

both were advertised as limited units

by bringing either one it hurts the game

[glass kindle]

diavolo is not popular

and he's a random character

gilgamesh is well known by everyone

[dusk current]

i dont give a fuck ngl

[pale tartan]

The people walking around with 10 gogetas

[frail marsh]

what are you saying

[dusk current]

couldnt care less what the devs do

[frail marsh]

ragebait

[pale tartan]

Also was 🥭

[glass kindle]

so you think diavolo is more popular than Gilgamesh?

[honest fractal]

and one has much more value than the other

[dusk current]

bro who the fuck cares anyways

both are limited and should stay as that

[glass kindle]

im just using his logic

[frail marsh]

nevermind

[honest fractal]

if als can bring back limited units I don’t see why av can’t

[dusk current]

so u cant think for urself ?

[dusk current]

do u think als cares about anything but money ?

💔

[frail marsh]

seperate unit.....

[glass kindle]

stupid idiot don't come back

[honest fractal]

if they really cared about money then they’d never dream of bringing back a limited unit

[glass kindle]

a noncanon character is popular according to you

[frail marsh]

what the fuck do you want i literally said 1 thing wrong

[dusk current]

they make more money by bringing back units btw

[frail marsh]

diavolo is canon

[dusk current]

cuz of premium payouts

[frail marsh]

dummy

requiem isnt

[glass kindle]

we have kcr in game

and kcr is not canon

idiot

[frail marsh]

still diavolo is

[vast flume]

because als devs are stupid

[glass kindle]

and he's not popular than Gilgamesh

[honest fractal]

Nono they’re actually smart for that

[vast flume]

yea really smart

[honest fractal]

I fucking hate the ATD trading community

[pale tartan]

Als is a cash grab for little children av is a passion project🥺

[dusk current]

bro if they release limited units again=more premium payouts

thats literally how als operates

[frail marsh]

yes ok i thought otherwise but it seems hes more recognized there's literally no reason to respond "idiot"? cause i literally said nevermind myself

[dusk current]

😭

[honest fractal]

The one thing that ALS does right is actually bringing back and revitalizing older limited units

[dusk current]

why is av harder to grind then ?

[glass kindle]

bc they are willing to compensation the orginal owners can av do the same?

[vast flume]

als only rerun yuta because they didn't have anything to make the last jjk hyped

[dusk current]

and more expensive if its a passion project ?

[honest fractal]

Limited doesn’t have to mean “gone forever” btw

[pale tartan]

Because a good game is difficult you should be asking why als is so easy to grind

[vast flume]

limited means limited

simple as that

[honest fractal]

That’s what this whole suggestion is saying 😭

[vast flume]

[dusk current]

passion projects are smthing that are meant to be enjoyed not slaved away

💔

[frail marsh]

yeah that too but they could just make another gilgamesh seperate unit with like another model..

[glass kindle]

what are they supposed to give og?

it's not like gilga was rare

or anything

[vast flume]

just give gilgamesh a second evo without rerun
not like he is rare

[frail marsh]

worst thing ive ever seen on here

[glass kindle]

personally i think yall are dumb if you disagree

because he isnt rare

[dusk current]

yh as limited as limited familiars which r in a limited shop rn

so brainwashed

💔

[glass kindle]

those arent

limited

they will come back

[vast flume]

🥀

[pale tartan]

Avs way of keeping their playerbase so they are able to keep releasing high quality updates

[frail marsh]

he isnt rare but 2nd evos to limiteds is straight up stupid

[honest fractal]

the suggestion suggests an exclusive skin for his vanguard given to original owners of Gilgamesh

[frail marsh]

not even kidding

[dusk current]

they got advertised as limited

so i dont see ur point

[vast flume]

exclusive skin acting like it game is know for making good skins

will be dogshit

[glass kindle]

huh

since when?

[vast flume]

be real

[dusk current]

both r cash grabs lets be fr

[glass kindle]

can you show proof of this

who said they were supposed to be limited

because

I got proof to back up my claims saying they were not limited THE FIRST day

[dusk current]

could u still get the turbo familiar after the event ?

[glass kindle]

yes

[dusk current]

or the evo items ?

[glass kindle]

u can get it now

??

[dusk current]

yh where ?

[glass kindle]

you can get evo items now

[glass kindle]

yeah the event shop

[vast flume]

the exclusive skin will be the spring skin but with casual clothes

[honest fractal]

all of the actually good skins are bundle skins

[glass kindle]

idiot

[dusk current]

what event shop ?

summer

?

spring ?

[vast flume]

do i have to make you remember the aizen skin

shit is never releasing

[glass kindle]

spring

[glass kindle]

it is

releasing

do you need proof

were you perhaps

not listening in the stage?

[frail marsh]

no one getting it anyways he fell off meta

[honest fractal]

I feel like the devs would actually put effort into an exclusive skin to compensate owners if they bring back an exclusive unit

[glass kindle]

they gave out information on it

[dusk current]

then it got falsly promoted as limited then

cuz it was in a limited shop

[north gull]

hell naw he only for the og

[dusk current]

re added to another limited shop

[frail marsh]

(im an aizen shiny monarch owner btw)

[dusk current]

💔

[pale tartan]

No just als its a easy game that prioritizes quantity over quality av puts quality over quantity which isnt a cash grab

[north gull]

no gilga comeback

never

[vast flume]

first time seeing rubi say something intelligent

[glass kindle]

he's not even rare

[dusk current]

yh thats why 100 rrs cost 8k robux 💔

[glass kindle]

they should bring back gilga

[glass kindle]

he can bring in a lot of ccu

[north gull]

idc he stayin unob

[dusk current]

passion project btw 💔

[vast flume]

doesn't change the fact he was show as limited

you don't just scam people

like that

[dusk current]

they did with limited evo items in a limited event

[vast flume]

is as stupid like asking for bp units rerun

[dusk current]

and limited familiars

[north gull]

#makegilganeverobtainableagain

[honest fractal]

“only for the OG” ok bro have fun with ur 0.175 reroll worth “limited” units (because I KNOW you have way more than one Gilgamesh since he was so easy to obtain)

[frail marsh]

holy shi do yall understand that if they make a seperate gilgamesh unit with another model and leave the other gilgamesh like it is its okay

[north gull]

he stayin unob bohooo

[dusk current]

ppl did that anyways

💀

[pale tartan]

Yeah the game cant exist without funding 🥀 saying the game is cash grab because it tries to keep its development team alive isn’t fair

[winged night]

and on release there was a glitch with his quest that gave you two of him

[honest fractal]

what an intelligent counter-argument

[glass kindle]

it is okay

[floral moth]

why are we gatekeeping gilg out of all units

💔

[honest fractal]

actual dunderheads

[glass kindle]

we have dbz broly in gmame and we getting another broly

[north gull]

gilga never coming back

[glass kindle]

so if they can do that for broly why cant they do it for gigla?

[frail marsh]

EXACTLY

[glass kindle]

you can just create another model

[frail marsh]

WHAT IM SAYING

[dusk current]

passion projects are not focused so much on money

8k robux for 100 rrs

how brainwashed can u be ?

[north gull]

i truly wish nobody gets gilga anymore

[vast flume]

not like they will have the chance

[honest fractal]

I bet you look like the pot of greed

[north gull]

there i no chance

[north gull]

make gilga never comeback

[frail marsh]

i just got 2 birbs back to back holy shit

[winged night]

least greediest vanguardian

[dusk current]

even better make gilga double evo but keep him gatekept for the ppl who got him

[vast flume]

good for you

[pale tartan]

if rr costed a decent amount it would literally be pay 2 win the high price is trying to discourage you from buying it🥀

[north gull]

ong

[north gull]

they should give him a familiar and only for the og owners

[honest fractal]

if you look like the Yugioh pot of greed, you certainly ain’t sigma

[dusk current]

p2w in a pve game

r u deadass ?

[vast flume]

rubi is now stupid

[winged night]

L ragebait

[boreal hazel]

.

[vast flume]

🥀

[honest fractal]

because vanguard familiars are always really creative and definitely not lazy

[west root]

bait used to be believable

[dusk current]

yh 1000% dmg increase

u js win the stage by placing him down

or even better make him all the units combined

[pale tartan]

Yes ??? Why should i grind for hours like everyone when i could use my moms credit card and get monarch on every meta unit

[dusk current]

1000000 passives

[north gull]

no more gilga

never

ever

[honest fractal]

guys

[north gull]

he stayin where he is rn

[honest fractal]

I’ve solved it

rubi is BAITING!

[dusk current]

thats not p2w thats literally paying to skip content

not giving u an advantage

😭

[floral moth]

add obtained all units in av for 10k robux

[dusk current]

too cheap for a passion project

[pale tartan]

Yeah having the optimal trait on every unit isn’t a advantage

[north gull]

i would agree with adding gilga but only in a 100k robux bundle

[dusk current]

100k seems fine

[north gull]

the only solution

[dusk current]

advantage over who ?

the npcs who walk down on a path?

[honest fractal]

A singular Gilgamesh as a unit I guarantee you is with $3 max bro

Let’s not lie

[pale tartan]

The other people playing the game🧐

[north gull]

yk what

make gilga never return

[dusk current]

idk if ur dense on purpose

but its a pve game

not pvp

[dusk current]

u fight npcs not players

💔

[glass kindle]

how does that make the game p2w?

there r like no more gamemodes that rely on monarch now

[loud nimbus]

what are u really winning

[dusk current]

dont bother hes dense on purpose

[dusk current]

i mean pvp

but traitless

[glass kindle]

hm

[dusk current]

so yh

[winged night]

you can beat gg ex traitless now btw

[glass kindle]

monarch suck ass for pvp t

[north gull]

might aswell delete this post cuz gilga should never come back

[winged night]

we know he will

trust

[dusk current]

plus its not p2w if it isnt even pvp based

[north gull]

no he aint

he was LIMITED

[honest fractal]

you must think you’re real funny.

[pale tartan]

Mvp tourney worldlines lb inf lb literally everything competitive in the game

[winged night]

if you knew how to read youd know that the suggestion isnt asking that to be taken away

we keep the exclusive version but a secret version gets added

[glass kindle]

you don't use monarchs in inf lb

nice try

[north gull]

i know yall want a other version im well aware but thats too much to ask for

[glass kindle]

mvp? just find leechs?

[dusk current]

literally toruney players r using ethereal and deadeyes

inf aswell

[north gull]

he is staying where he is

[glass kindle]

wl? there is a traitless mode

[north gull]

ratless?

[glass kindle]

traitless I men

[winged night]

we got super broly after he had an exclusive dbz version

[north gull]

still no gilga tho

cuz he aint coming back homeboy

[pale tartan]

Yeah the couple of specific units that are better with those two also rare traits

[dusk current]

most units r better with ethereal 💔

and deadeye

[dusk current]

so like u comparing a 400 pity to a 1.5k pity

[pale tartan]

Go on the wiki and look at the optimal trait list only one thats wrong is goblin slayer

[dusk current]

sick

[pale tartan]

And dante

[honest fractal]

Go on the wiki and look at the traits tab in the unlimited money section

Those are the optimal traits for inf

[north gull]

no gilga btw

[honest fractal]

I’m onto you.

[loud nimbus]

dang monarch is that bad on byeken??

[north gull]

well youre not onto a new gilga tho

[dusk current]

yh u better off multi placement

[honest fractal]

WHY CANT I POST GIFS IN THIS FUCKING CHANNEL

[north gull]

youre not like me

[dusk current]

depends on the gamemode

[loud nimbus]

i see

[pale tartan]

Look at the Meta units🥀

[dusk current]

sure gimme a sec

[winged night]

no gif perms? 🥺

[north gull]

no gilga

thats it

[dusk current]

those meta units r 1 placement units

designed with only monarch in mind

[loud nimbus]

IF YOU RESPECT US OGS ✊ 🥺 DO. NOT. GET. GILGAMESH 🥰 ⭐

[honest fractal]

@full spade

[pale tartan]

Guts ywach maybe leo and goku and slime

[loud nimbus]

who decided that

[loud nimbus]

is this for inf?

[dusk current]

yh

[dusk current]

yhwach best unit in the game by the wiki

[loud nimbus]

oh that makes sense

[dusk current]

pure bs

[pale tartan]

Barely ever using rimuru and goku in current tourny

[dusk current]

devs

[north gull]

kaguya monarch is the best unit

iin history

[winged night]

kaguya >

[dusk current]

both r not meta

[honest fractal]

Can we all agree that we should bring back Ishtar

[pale tartan]

So just vsjw and ywach

[dusk current]

u can js erase yhwach out

so vsjw which is the best unit in the game

not monarch reliant

[honest fractal]

Only limited mythic unit in the entire game & we haven’t had a limited mythic since

[loud nimbus]

no

[dusk current]

no cuz i like limited units

and limited everything

[honest fractal]

All limited units have been secret, exclusive, or vanguard

[winged night]

she was genuinely limited for no reason

[dusk current]

and ?

[winged night]

she wasnt even exclusive

[honest fractal]

Ishtar limited was an arbitrary choice

We’re talking about Gilgamesh having no value

[dusk current]

even more of a reason to keep her limited

it was their choice

[honest fractal]

Ishtar doesn’t have a fucking ounce of value

[dusk current]

nothing does

cuz trading doesnt even exist

[honest fractal]

Bro was on banner for 5 updates

[dusk current]

stop bring values cuz u feel like it

[honest fractal]

And then somehow went on banner for about an hour in I think the dragon ball update

When she was already meant to be gone

😭

[dusk current]

HOW DID U MISS HER THEN ?

[honest fractal]

I didn’t

I just want her to be good

[pale tartan]

Vsjw and best in the same sentence🥶🥶

[loud nimbus]

bcuz newgen newgen blah blah newgen this newgen that

[honest fractal]

We can make her good by bringing her back from the dead

I am anything but a newgen

[winged night]

fate upscale!

[honest fractal]

I’ve played AV from d1

[dusk current]

srry ik how to use summons and i dont rely on dps alone 💔

[loud nimbus]

this was tuff and IS tuff

[pale tartan]

I have him monarch

[dusk current]

same

[honest fractal]

Big number damage is the only thing that matters to the average AV player

We should know this by now

[dusk current]

i got monarch kaguya aswell and i barely have to use her

[pale tartan]

Me to

[dusk current]

braindead individuals

oh i cant read ik my unit deals boom dmg

hehe

[loud nimbus]

@pale tartan i see you manually play a lot 🤔

[pale tartan]

Yeah

[loud nimbus]

i wanna manually farm like you

how do you do it

king

🥺

[frail marsh]

escanor>vsjw

[dusk current]

shields r ur biggest enemies

also

[pale tartan]

I 🥭 cid raid👻👻 and trait rr since im a deadeye merchant

[loud nimbus]

is this ragebait or real 🤔

[dusk current]

summons with 10m hp

💔

[frail marsh]

upg 13

[frail marsh]

30s walk

[dusk current]

when tf r u gon use escanor without burning units

[loud nimbus]

how much shiny cids do u have

[frail marsh]

wave 2

[pale tartan]

0

[dusk current]

so stored up dmg means nothing 💔

[frail marsh]

also

if u dont burn

and use sokora n reimu

[loud nimbus]

💔

[frail marsh]

you have shield breakers and spa reduced

and still can get escanor maxed

[dusk current]

ofc u can but not as efficient as js placing him down and walking away from ur pc

[frail marsh]

uhh what logic is this

[dusk current]

the logic is why bother ?

[frail marsh]

kaguya is defined better because she "shines" when using teams and vsjw sometimes requires active managing

[pale tartan]

1 of each vangaurd 6 monarchs 2 of which i got without 🥭 rarest shiny is the exclusives🥀 from spring banner

[floral moth]

guys look

[dusk current]

so u js described versatility

[loud nimbus]

5 monarchs no 🥭 5 monarchs yes 🥭 ❤️

i love salmon

[dusk current]

thats why they're better on the tierlist

[loud nimbus]

this....is.....so....tuff....

[dusk current]

no monarch

[floral moth]

trading this

[dusk current]

ill give u a gilgamesh for it

[frail marsh]

i just described that they are defined better when actively managing them so why shouldnt escanor be better when actively managing his team too

[dusk current]

cuz his whole gimmick is not actively managing him or his team

[loud nimbus]

67 reorlls for it

[pale tartan]

Regular dante for it

[frail marsh]

lmao

[dusk current]

thats literally why 😭

[frail marsh]

sorry but thats just stupid

yes he is meant to be braindead place and forget but thats not all he is lol

[dusk current]

his cleanse sucks his hits suck

only his dmg is good

😭

[frail marsh]

if a unit is defined better when managing them then escanor can be dedined better what is normally done with every unit in the game? (managing)

[honest fractal]

I can’t fucking believe they made space Ishtar a skin instead of an evo

It’s genuinely so over

[frail marsh]

dude

[honest fractal]

Ishtar will forever remain buns

[frail marsh]

escanor cleanses on burn

and stuns dont matter with him

[dusk current]

and if escanor 1 shots them ?

where the cleanse go ?

[loud nimbus]

plz accept

[frail marsh]

oh so we forgot that enemies keep spawning

right

[dusk current]

does it rlly matters if escanor 1 shots them anyways ?

[frail marsh]

cmon dude you can do better than this

[frail marsh]

he cleanses on burn that means if enemies keep spawning he'll never be actually debuffed...

[pale tartan]

Griffith clears both of them anyway if the devs fixed his zod passive

[dusk current]

burn procs if the enemy doesnt get 1 shotted

which escanor mostly does

[frail marsh]

and yes even if he is debuffed he just oneshots

[dusk current]

stun

dmg and range lower

[frail marsh]

doesnt matter with him

[loud nimbus]

ladies ladies stop fighting over me

[dusk current]

when vsjw is immune to everything right off the bat

[frail marsh]

hes antileak

[honest fractal]

Who would win

[dusk current]

only with his ultimate

[honest fractal]

Monarch escanor or a 20 shield enemy

[frail marsh]

also ultimate exists

[honest fractal]

I think we know the answer

[dusk current]

final upgrade 💔

[frail marsh]

no lol

by default

[pale tartan]

This is why vangaurd familiars are better than reworks

[dusk current]

oh right i forgot enemies take 100% dmg if they leave his range

sadly only shielded enemies do

[honest fractal]

Not fucking true

[frail marsh]

dude in my whole experience ive never had problems with him except for some stages and some acts. even if he gets debuffed or stunned he still clears

[dusk current]

so still shit cleanse

[honest fractal]

I’ll die on this hill

[dusk current]

watched my friends escanor not being able to attack cuz of stuns

😭

[pale tartan]

Devs will not dedicate a rework to units like ishtar but we can vote for a familiar

[frail marsh]

my god bro

[floral moth]

STOP FIGHTING

[frail marsh]

you're far gone

[floral moth]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[loud nimbus]

escanor vs boxers in dandadan map

[pale tartan]

instead of wasting upd time on a niche limited unit

[frail marsh]

he still antileaks in stun

[honest fractal]

Vanguard familiars with how they’ve been implemented are the most unoriginal, boring ways to bring past units back into meta

[floral moth]

AV IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HEALTHY COMMUNITY

[frail marsh]

and he doesnt have to attack unless its a boss

[loud nimbus]

they are going to be like als soon

[frail marsh]

which he always has ultimate when theres a boss

sooo

[loud nimbus]

unit from a year ago becomes best again

lol

[frail marsh]

this whole argument is pointless

just use him

[loud nimbus]

be friends...

[frail marsh]

and see for yourself

[dusk current]

by that logic vsjw is anti leak aswell

[honest fractal]

Id like vanguard familiars if there was more depth to them beyond surface-level passives that took 5 minutes to think up & a damage boost

Id like vanguard familiars if there was more depth to them beyond surface-level passives that took 5 minutes to think up & a damage boost

[dusk current]

cuz 10m hp tank in the back

[honest fractal]

W mobile

anyways

[frail marsh]

i mean thats his whole purpose while escanor's isnt

[dusk current]

brutal 💔

[pale tartan]

Faster and efficient would you rather have the update delayed longer or have 2 reworks a year instead of a quick fix

[dusk current]

and with that logic kaguya is anti leak aswell

since she follows enemies

[frail marsh]

dude

[dusk current]

u cant defend escanor when u know his only good thing is his dmg

[frail marsh]

im not saying they arent

i was stating

[honest fractal]

But the devs have stated iirc that they’re putting minimal effort into vanguard familiars which imo makes them not up to the quality standard of the rest of AV

[frail marsh]

why stun didnt matter

[dusk current]

ah yes and when the boss arrives escanor will be busy with a line of enemies

instead of focusing the boss

[honest fractal]

Id rather have the update delayed if we’re implementing things to bring older units back into the meta in a unique and fun way

I’ve never given a single shit about how long updates take as long as the updates themselves are good

[dusk current]

no i need slop

[pale tartan]

We will just have to see as more gets released

[dusk current]

i need every single unit vanguard with 2 passives

[honest fractal]

I also know that the average ATD player doesn’t have that kind of attention span nor patience

[dusk current]

copy pasted passives

[honest fractal]

Waiter waiter! Another vanguard unit with a nuke please!

[dusk current]

and 10t dmg with 2 spa

fucking 10 nukes

[frail marsh]

ultimate...

[dusk current]

worst nuke within the vanguard roster

[frail marsh]

4.5m dmg same as kaguya in blast

[dusk current]

kaguya deals 7m

sjw 6m

[loud nimbus]

wait

6-7mil? 😂

[winged night]

fuck off

[dusk current]

fuck u

[loud nimbus]

stop being mean to me

[pale tartan]

Yeah but thats just you you cant represent the entire community from a devs perspective its so much better because they dont have to worry about people argueing over which one gets a rework and update schedule being delayed which leads to the game to lose players

[winged night]

no

[honest fractal]

AV devs if they considered the fact that not every vanguard unit needs a nuke

[loud nimbus]

i am trying to have a positive enviroment and make friends on discord!

[winged night]

we arent 12

[frail marsh]

and if enemies have 10m+hp and kaguya deals half escanor's dps but does abit more with the nuke she still gets dusted by escanor

[steel yew]

Connections*

[honest fractal]

Can we get more unique abilities beyond “big damage”

[dusk current]

kaguya has mini map wide nukes

every 20 seconds

[loud nimbus]

stop being mean

[dusk current]

or even less

[frail marsh]

100k dmg is considered a nuke?

max like 200-300

cmon r we serious

[dusk current]

when is kaguya ever gon reach 200k dmg

[honest fractal]

Imo AV would have had more ccu on update release if they decided to just rework or give gojo an evo instead of a vanguard familiar but whatever

[dusk current]

350k nukes every 20 seconds is bad or what ?

[frail marsh]

didnt you just say the dot from dimensions are considered nukes

[frail marsh]

very

very dog shit actually

[dusk current]

fire and sand

or fire and ice

[frail marsh]

cause escanor's every second dot does more in ultimate

[dusk current]

oh per 2 dimensions

[dusk current]

oh right i forgot to include fire

which is about 25-35%

spammable nukes btw

[honest fractal]

Yes I know that they can’t touch jjk units themselves due to BTS issues

[pale tartan]

Also in the stage they said going back into the asset creation would break the game which could add to longer maintenance time and more bugs on update

[honest fractal]

Point still stands though

[frail marsh]

they are like a minor fraction of the hp of bosses now

[dusk current]

ur a victim to big dps bruh

[dusk current]

plus support within that nuke

[frail marsh]

if escanor can kill bosses faster support doesnt matter

[dusk current]

can he solo ex stages ?

[frail marsh]

again, this is pointless

[dusk current]

no

[frail marsh]

yes he can

[dusk current]

what ex stage ?

im curious

[honest fractal]

Vanguard familiars and the poll to bring a unit back to meta felt like a very last-minute thing. With better planning, I don’t think there would be too much of an impact on update release if they had just reworked gojo or given him an evo

[dusk current]

legal issues

[honest fractal]

I know

[frail marsh]

aot

[dusk current]

they made familiars cuz jjk characters cant be evoed

[honest fractal]

I know

[dusk current]

too much regen

plus shields aswell

💔

[frail marsh]

and berserk

[pale tartan]

Idk man they can take 2 weeks for 3 units

[frail marsh]

he literally can its just harder and anyways nobody grind for aot units

[dusk current]

barely

[frail marsh]

no lol

berserk is like

the easiest shit ever

[steel yew]

Im nobody

[frail marsh]

i just place and forget

[dusk current]

can he solo guilty gear ex ?

[frail marsh]

byeken is submeta iirc

[dusk current]

hardest stage in the game

[honest fractal]

That doesn’t mean that they couldn’t have put more effort into the vanguard familiars beyond the primary hook of “big damage increase” and boring passives that definitely didn’t take really any time at all to think up

[pale tartan]

Yeah with quetz hibana and weather🥶🥶

[frail marsh]

okay? can kaguya ?

[dusk current]

yh

map wide mini nukes that bypasses the armour gimmick

[frail marsh]

send me the video

[dusk current]

lets be real

[pale tartan]

One use?

[dusk current]

domains are not 1 use

u can cycle ice and fire to bypass armours

since its dot and not dmg

[frail marsh]

and anyways its an insignificant stage

by that i mean not needed

[unborn robin]

hardest stage is high wordlline traitless

[dusk current]

best stage to limit test units

[unborn robin]

theres no difficulty in this game unless u run traitless wl

[pale tartan]

No way domain is soloing the bosses 🤔 is this real

[unborn robin]

best stage to test units is high wl

[frail marsh]

do you mean what not needed means?

[dusk current]

what stage we talking bout ?

[frail marsh]

something ehich isnt needed to farm

unlike cid

[loud nimbus]

Hello guys!! Lets all be friends!!

[frail marsh]

are we going to talk about that

[unborn robin]

any of the high ones are much harder than gg ex

[frail marsh]

the 4:30m escanor does?

huh?

[west root]

sybau young blood

[dusk current]

cid isnt even hard

[frail marsh]

completely solo?

[frail marsh]

what

[loud nimbus]

Oi Oi Oi i will take over artist role and remove yours

cuz my art is better than urs

[frail marsh]

still its a gamemode which is widely farmed and significant

[pale tartan]

Spring portal with holy revitilize and regen modifier clears

[frail marsh]

things like that

or rifts

[honest fractal]

So what, a maybe… 3-4 day delay if they had decided to rework or give an older unit an evo to bring them back into meta? Not bad imo, especially since at the time the poll was made, they hadn’t announced when they were gonna drop the update

[dusk current]

significant for birb

hard

fuck no

[west root]

its not hard to get artist role man 😭 pre sure hundreds of people have it

[unborn robin]

? its still easier

[loud nimbus]

stop being mean to me kind sir

[surreal abyss]

it's extremely time consuming without esca

[pale tartan]

Without bleed

[loud nimbus]

i will be the bigger person and step away from this

[honest fractal]

They could have spent a little more time making that vanguard familiar into all it could be, but chose not to.

[unborn robin]

random shit to make it harder cool

[dusk current]

its time consuming with or without esca anyways

[frail marsh]

dude if a unit can solo widely farmed and needed stages easier than other units thats already a feat, soloing stages which are "the hardest" may sound good on paper but if they arent needed then thats a worthless feat

[dusk current]

do u think they will make another stage like cid again ?

no

[honest fractal]

I hope so tbh

I like strategy

I like actual engagement

[dusk current]

plus devs alr gave us a middle finger with vanguard familiars

[surreal abyss]

escanor solo in 5 mins

[pale tartan]

If something is impossible without a certain type of unit its harder

[surreal abyss]

i want to see u clear faster without him

[dusk current]

yh bro gl getting a decent birb

[frail marsh]

and anyways, escanor currently (completely based off my experience w him) is better than kaguya.
kaguya may be better when actual teams matter more.
right now escanor solos every significant stage, not needing other units at all.

[surreal abyss]

have 2 with 19 percent with all positive stats not corrupted yet

[dusk current]

u need at least 5

so get back to grinding

[surreal abyss]

i am

[honest fractal]

Can escanor solo the AOT EX stage by himself?

[loud nimbus]

how do u farm pheonix shards fast

[dusk current]

events

[loud nimbus]

should i just buy pheonix shards instead of rr with sukuna thing

[dusk current]

odyssey

[surreal abyss]

i don't

LOL

[frail marsh]

insignificant and yes he can but its hard

[honest fractal]

Reminder that levy boss has 20 shield

[surreal abyss]

i emptied raid shop

[loud nimbus]

u are so lucky

[surreal abyss]

and odyssey with x2

[surreal abyss]

not really

odyssey suck balls if u dc

[frail marsh]

odyssey needs to have 2x speed imo

[steel yew]

Levi appears in the ex?

[dusk current]

yh

[loud nimbus]

prob champions

[frail marsh]

30mins for 4 shards is crazy

[surreal abyss]

i am fine with x2 rewards

what odyssey need is a save wtf

[frail marsh]

yes but 2x rewards stays for 2-3 days

[surreal abyss]

why would i get nothing just because i dc after 3 hours

[honest fractal]

I think so

[frail marsh]

im talking about permanently making it faster

[surreal abyss]

i mean making x2 permanent

[dusk current]

or js increase the rewards by 2x

its the same thing

[frail marsh]

oh that would be good i think

[steel yew]

Like i only remember
Eren (titan form and human)
Then the nuclears and finally the hammer giant

[frail marsh]

honestly i would like 2x speed more

[dusk current]

the egg and levi

[surreal abyss]

odyssey is lowkey funny with the modifiers and stuff but it's just not worth

[dusk current]

devs said they wont add 2x

[surreal abyss]

the rewards suck

[dusk current]

no matter the context

[frail marsh]

well then 2x rewards it is

[steel yew]

The egg is the hammer giant

[dusk current]

is it ?

i js kaguya nuke and win

[steel yew]

U need to kill the egg so the hammer giant dies too

[loud nimbus]

there is eren, 3 colossal, and hammer giant

no levi

[frail marsh]

chicken egg

[surreal abyss]

i hate aot maps

especially crystal chapel

i hated every second of grinding for ymir

[dusk current]

oh no smthing hard

no way !

[surreal abyss]

it's not even hard

[dusk current]

bro i js hate grinding in general

[frail marsh]

they were just annoying

[dusk current]

why wouldnt they js give out the units already evoed

[surreal abyss]

skill issue

[dusk current]

no but fr tell me why they shouldnt give shit already evolved

like vanguards

[surreal abyss]

ask pyseph

[frail marsh]

evolved and vanguards in the same sentence

[dusk current]

theres literally no point for evolutions

i grinded for a character

[dusk current]

i shouldnt grind to evo to use that character

[dusk current]

can u evo a vanguard ?

[frail marsh]

✅

[dusk current]

except vsjw

we dont talk bout him

[frail marsh]

✅

[dusk current]

plus every vanguard unit has a bracket with sum

meaning its alr evoed

[frail marsh]

❌

[dusk current]

so why should i grind for a unit js to grind more to evo him ?

[dusk current]

@frail marsh

[surreal abyss]

just remove takedowns requirement

🫩

[dusk current]

remove the evo part

its pointless

[surreal abyss]

it's not

[dusk current]

why it isnt ?

[surreal abyss]

why would they hand to you a unit already at their best without even doing anything

[dusk current]

cuz i grinded for it enough

why would i need to grind more if i alr got it ?

[surreal abyss]

🫩

[frail marsh]

[pale tartan]

make a new gilga for vangaurd❌ rerun gilga✅

[frail marsh]

fr

[frail marsh]

i agree on that honestly

[frail marsh]

❌

[dusk current]

someone made a suggestion alr

and nobody agreed

[pale tartan]

sarcasm

[frail marsh]

nobody being me

[surreal abyss]

they missing out

[frail marsh]

❌

[dusk current]

were u on that suggestion ?

[frail marsh]

no lol

[dusk current]

im still callling bs the evolve part all together

[surreal abyss]

it's fair

[dusk current]

its literally made to waste time

not serve any purpose

[surreal abyss]

exactly

they want u to play lol

[pale tartan]

takedowns is so annoying

[dusk current]

so why shouldnt they js remove it ?

will anyone complain or get mad ?

[surreal abyss]

why wouldn't they just give you 1500 traits doing nothing?

people wouldn't complain

[dusk current]

rrs are different

[loud nimbus]

i would complain

[surreal abyss]

they want you to play and that's it

[dusk current]

u grind for smthing new

[pale tartan]

not the we are getting to many trait rr guy

[surreal abyss]

most clowned suggestion I've seen

[dusk current]

funny no game has the evolve mechanic

[surreal abyss]

???

have u played other tds

[dusk current]

tell me a game outside roblox that has it

[pale tartan]

tds fell off

after they reran my gladiator I quit

[surreal abyss]

because roblox pay u when there are players online in ur game

🫩

[loud nimbus]

one piece treasure cruise 😎

[surreal abyss]

i meant on Roblox haven't really tried any other td outside

[dusk current]

100 players

[loud nimbus]

does that matter good sir

[dusk current]

closest thing to an actual td is arx

[loud nimbus]

and actually it has 105

[dusk current]

where u actually send units to defend the base

[loud nimbus]

not 100

[pale tartan]

more than aa

[surreal abyss]

battle cats victim

[dusk current]

yh it shows how bad the evolve mechanic is

[dusk current]

does battle cats have an evolve mechanic ?