Stop doing dragon ball vanguards

[karmic void]

he gets slammed into a wall by broly in the first 5 seconds and then has to fuse with goku for help

[hexed ether]

make him an insanely cheap boss killer i guess

[karmic void]

that would lowkey be the only thing i can think of him having a use for

[hexed ether]

calling him a fraud but youre using iconic vegeta images

[distant stirrup]

broly was beating both goku and vegeta asses until they fused

[karmic void]

yeah peak new dungeon

[distant stirrup]

and even then if they didint beat him fast enough, he would have gotten stronger

[lusty dock]

Exactly what I’m saying and these people still think he should be the vanguard

[karmic void]

maybe they playing us all and broly is actually just the vanguard 🙏

[hexed ether]

it is vegeta

[karmic void]

you don’t know that i saw it in a dream it was broly

[hexed ether]

i can see the future

[dense summit]

why is cid so big

[hexed ether]

broly doesnt live to be a vanguard

[karmic void]

[fleet stream]

broly is vanguard worthy

[hexed ether]

vegeta is vanguard worthy

[placid flax]

what if we like

wait for them to give us more stuff

and then decide

[karmic void]

Unless it’s vegeta mui bs what could he possibly do 🙏

[hexed ether]

if im being honest, since they wanted to do a vegeta and broly scene, they shouldve just done the cool shot of him in super saiyan god instead

[distant stirrup]

you can compare bum ahh vegeta to this goat

[hexed ether]

broly is infact a bum

[fleet stream]

he prob transforms into ssg

i hope they do a lot w/ this vanguard

[karmic void]

but like who’s the bigger bum, vegeta or broly? 💔

[distant stirrup]

ssg still weaker than broly

[hexed ether]

broly

[karmic void]

same, maybe multi forms

transforms during match

[fleet stream]

and then fuse into gogeta 🥹

[karmic void]

trust

🙏

[hallow dagger]

btw when is this update

[karmic void]

i assume next week

[worn stratus]

gogeta helped revive the game and broly is hype

[hallow dagger]

sn

[karmic void]

since anniv is sep 14-15

[hallow dagger]

you right

[worn stratus]

what is the point of this suggestion as if we basically confirmed a Dio oh for the anniversary too

[karmic void]

he’s secret

[fleet stream]

is it rlly next week

[distant stirrup]

he wont be a vanguard

[worn stratus]

oh

still tho he's clearly going to be one of the big headliners

[karmic void]

if the map and stuff along with mechanics maybe, just gottta make quest etc

[vague vapor]

are we talking here because we have image perms

[distant stirrup]

nah, 2 weeks from now

trust

[karmic void]

so we getting anniversary and update 8.5 along with update 9.0

[distant stirrup]

nonono

[fleet stream]

bro they better give us 100 rr code for anni

[distant stirrup]

they already said aniversary uodt will come later

[karmic void]

Anniversary is update 9.0 and Valk or whoever said aniv is September 14-15

[distant stirrup]

yes

[karmic void]

on qna

[distant stirrup]

but they already said they won't drop that one on time

maybe it will come by the end of September

[karmic void]

💀 why even give a date

[distant stirrup]

maybe they'll drop some codes

[hallow dagger]

doesnt this just strengthen the idea of vegeta being the vanguard

[distant stirrup]

but the big stuff is coming on the 9.0

[karmic void]

What would codes do bro 🙏

[hallow dagger]

the sneak is about him

[karmic void]

yes

[distant stirrup]

he is talking about broly gng

[hallow dagger]

yes the whole sneak revolves around vegeta

[fleet stream]

it vegeta saying it tho

[distant stirrup]

ye, saying broly gets stronger every second they are fighting

[hallow dagger]

okay good just had t o make sure u were on the same page

[karmic void]

Vegeta fuses in Gogeta wrap it already bud 🙏

[distant stirrup]

broly surpasses ssg by just fighting for like 4 hours

[distant stirrup]

if we get gogeta then its alr

[karmic void]

I’m just hoping they release him without a nuke 💀

[distant stirrup]

but vegeta does not deserve being a vanguard

[karmic void]

we have 3 vanguards with nukes

[fleet stream]

if goku v frieza was 5 minutes that was not 4 hrs

[karmic void]

and one has 3 nukes 🙏

[distant stirrup]

ye, they failed fusion 2 times

so that's about 2 hours

[fleet stream]

fusion last for 30 min

[distant stirrup]

well, then 2 hours

which is a bigger feat

[fleet stream]

this guy named frieza lasted an hr+ against broly

😭

[karmic void]

Should’ve just made Gohan the vanguard 🫩✌️

Imagine having a vanguard that will place himself with the first unit you place 🙏

game will be in flames with rioters saying als power creep 💀

[marsh crater]

who the hell said big bang can be full aoe

💀

[karmic void]

isn’t ts cone / circle

[marsh crater]

circle at best

Only full aoe move vegeta can get is final explosion

[distant stirrup]

he wasn't even fighting him

[karmic void]

be fr

this ain’t even circle

this is LINE

[pulsar hemlock]

Everything can be a full if u put your mind into it

[marsh crater]

😭

is bro gonna blow himself up in it

[karmic void]

Vegeta blowing himself up is literally the only full aoe move 💀

[marsh crater]

actually im wrong

[karmic void]

Ez dub, every enemy to pass vegeta he bombs himself

[edgy herald]

he will jump,do big bang to the ground and the explosion will kill the enemies

[marsh crater]

he did shoot a big bang at the ground ONCE

it was against metal cooler

[edgy herald]

full aoe

[karmic void]

Ssj2 Vegetas big bang is literally a small laser

[marsh crater]

tho its vegeta

so no

he gets cone

[pulsar hemlock]

We can say that for every attack

[karmic void]

tho his ssj one

[pulsar hemlock]

Kamehameha to the ground

[karmic void]

is a bomb

[marsh crater]

Pray they don’t do this

[edgy herald]

vegeta better not fuse at the end

gogeta is a bun

[marsh crater]

what did gogeta do

[edgy herald]

nothing

also the 2 dbz vanguards being fusion is ehh

[karmic void]

nah this guy is circle fs it’s over

[karmic void]

vegita more than likely won’t be fusion

he’ll prob just transform during match

and focused as a boss killer

I don’t see what else he could really serve a purpose for

Except just being cheap + boss killer

Maybe not even monarch reliant

[marsh crater]

being ass

[karmic void]

since yk, f2p

[edgy herald]

my goat broly not being the vanguard is a scam

[marsh crater]

broly gonna get the choy treatment

a drop

[karmic void]

sjw isn’t monarch reliant so idk, vegeta will prob be best with monarch anyways

unless they make him a 4 placement vanguard

[marsh crater]

No I meant vegeta gets done dirty in thr anime

hopefully here

[hallow dagger]

l

[cedar spruce]

since they said in the dev qna its more complicated than broly or vegeta im assuming it will be a team up thing

[edgy herald]

broly will be better than vegeta

[karmic void]

no yeah vegeta in the anime is fodder 💀

[cedar spruce]

??

[hallow dagger]

if vegeta is the vanguard its just not

[edgy herald]

another duo unit

[marsh crater]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-vegeta-android-android18-dbz-gif-26077694

[karmic void]

gang is literally beaten by Broly for an hour and has to beg goku to save him by fusing

[edgy herald]

he just didn't want to fight

[karmic void]

Fraudgeta

[edgy herald]

he was acting

[marsh crater]

bro got ssj and didnt know how to act

[cedar spruce]

talking as if goku doesnt get his ass beat by broly too

[edgy herald]

ai generated images
vegeta actually killed her

[marsh crater]

his son got the getback

[karmic void]

At least Goku can properly hold himself on his own in 90% of his battles without needing to blow himself up

[marsh crater]

but vegetables is dead in his timeline

L vegeta

[edgy herald]

we got scammed with the dbz vegeta

[cedar spruce]

both of them have sacrificed themselves

[edgy herald]

why the fuck we didn't got a majin vegeta

[marsh crater]

because

buu

[karmic void]

Out of the 4-5 times both Goku and Vegeta died Vegeta got the worst

[marsh crater]

vegeta had his moments

[karmic void]

killed by frieza, buu, android and FRIEZA AGAIN

fondled by frieza twice gang

[marsh crater]

Ok with the last one

Frieza is a loser

[karmic void]

I mean he did nuke the earth

[hexed ether]

the last one he was full of... ego

[karmic void]

🙏

[marsh crater]

damn thinking abt it

super rlly doesn’t have any deaths in it

😭

[sour hornet]

Because its dumbed down version of z

[hexed ether]

besides the frieza fight yeah

[marsh crater]

thats Z

[edgy herald]

ermm what was the name of that bun who died instantly after ginyu took his body

[hexed ether]

im talking about RoF

thats super

[marsh crater]

yea thats Z

BOG and RoF is still Z

[sour hornet]

Bro what

[hexed ether]

RoF is part of super, it was called Z because prior to the series it was a movie

[marsh crater]

oh

💀

[sour hornet]

dont stain the name of z with supers slop

[hexed ether]

word

[marsh crater]

The manga is decent

[edgy herald]

god tier

[sour hornet]

Moro arc is just as bad as the others but only read up to that part

[marsh crater]

Goku black arc was one of the best in the manga

imo

future arc whatever

God form got the ss2 treatment

[jovial wolf]

acting like it aint true

[hexed ether]

brother ew

[marsh crater]

IT WAS not that bad bro

😭

[hexed ether]

it was AWFUL

ESPECIALLY IN THE ANIME

[sour hornet]

goku giving moro senzu bean is one of the worst character depictions of goku ever

[marsh crater]

He ended up trashing him again

[sour hornet]

You don’t know how much it contradicts literally of his actions in the buu arc and android saga

[marsh crater]

then moro pulled a frieza

[edgy herald]

adult gohan hater

we got another db update before a single one piece upd

[hexed ether]

adult gohan sucks

[marsh crater]

one piece gonna take longer to make

[edgy herald]

another hater

[marsh crater]

I don’t blame them

[hexed ether]

he doesnt do anything but he just jumps to the top

beast has still never been explained

[edgy herald]

trash talking the goat

💔

[hexed ether]

not the goat

nowhere close

[sour hornet]

Super has to have the laziest writing ever out of any dragon ball media atleast gt was a good idea bad execution

[edgy herald]

ok, we don't go THAT low

[marsh crater]

Super 17 arc

was genuinely ass

[hexed ether]

pretty sure piccolo died just because he wanted to aura farm

[sour hornet]

Again good idea bad execution

[hexed ether]

NO ONE CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17

[marsh crater]

then he got dog walked

[edgy herald]

mfs glazing ssj4 saying is stronger than mui goku were annoying

[hexed ether]

and it turns out ss4 is weaker than ssg lol

[marsh crater]

I think they’re talking abt

the heroes one

if they’re not

[sour hornet]

Gt actually gave us a reason why goku was dumbed down he literally was a kid

[marsh crater]

then

yea they’re dumb

[hexed ether]

only his body changed

[sour hornet]

No gt goku was also stupid 😭 dude tried to kill 17 by shooting his strongest beam at him AFTER being directly told he would just absorb it

Bro also just hopped into the most obvious trap ever and got stuck in hell and had to get piccolo to save him

God that arc was a mess

[marsh crater]

Piccolo had the dumbest death in all of history

in gt

[karmic void]

At least he didn’t get stuck as a frog like Ginyu 🙏

[marsh crater]

Ginyu will come back to life

[severe portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[hexed ether]

yes. all the suggestions today are ragebait

[lusty dock]

@hexed ether did

[long basalt]

patrick star drooling take

[lusty dock]

You have no idea how many people think big bang can be full aoe

[hexed ether]

we're talking about people who can destroy universes by the way

[long basalt]

patrick star drooling take

[hexed ether]

who can destroy planets with one finger

got it

[long basalt]

wait are you complaining about how they’re scaled ingame

no i can hear you out

[hexed ether]

clearly you never saw how it looked in the games or in the show

in vanguards it got done incredibly dirty lmao, it wasn't accurate at all

[long basalt]

so whats your complaint and the reason for your suggestion?

forgive me if I type slowly i’m on my phone rn

[hexed ether]

i didnt suggest or complain about anything, my point was its entirely possible for vegeta to be a full AOE unit

[long basalt]

what is this thread called

the post that you made, whats it called

#1315875683603447969

seems from the title that you’re complaining about them revisiting dragon ball

[hexed ether]

i was responding to something that was said here

[hexed ether]

im not

the op

?

[marsh crater]

wrong guy

[long basalt]

well op can answer me when they’re around i’m curious as to why they think that way

[hexed ether]

this mightve been a misunderstanding

[marsh crater]

I think his reason was because the player count would get low

(it wouldn’t)

[hexed ether]

nah he just didnt like it because they're revisiting units from a series theyve already done before

[long basalt]

after the success AV has been experiencing, i think it further allows them to be experimental or try something ballsy

[marsh crater]

lmao

[long basalt]

and a vanguard quest evo for a (once) beloved mythic sounds hype

so many people have him built/evo’d because he was such a good beginner unit

[hexed ether]

which is fair ig but i dont see the issue, theyve done it with solo leveling, they did two fate updates, and vegeta was a standalone unit from update 0, and the dragon ball units didnt actually get to shine that much

[long basalt]

so vegeta was a great choice of vanguard imo

[hexed ether]

yeah vegeta is just as deserving of a vangard as sung jin woo because of the history he had with the game

[marsh crater]

no sjw is the mascot, he needs 4 more evos

[marsh crater]

same guy

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-vegeta-android-android18-dbz-gif-26077694

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-z1-dbz-cooler-dragon-ball-z-gif-14993850

wrong one

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-cell-punch-hit-dragon-ball-z-gif-22362983

[silent sky]

The game died for completely different reasons then what you just listed 😭

[raven crane]

If they buff giselle. She would save av from these disgusting dragon ball updates frfr trust

[silent sky]

“Nobody asked for this” Vegeta has to be like the second most requested double evo 😂

[marsh crater]

ion

the saber glazers are making a comeback

[jovial wolf]

mhm

next quest vanguard after vegeta is saber

[marsh crater]

no

[silent sky]

Saber bots are rising up now but vegetas been requested since day one

[marsh crater]

we must stop the saber hype train

[jovial wolf]

for a few months man

[silent sky]

I’d quit the game

[jovial wolf]

good riddance

can't appreciate peak

[thick chasm]

anime adventures

[marsh crater]

This your last shot

of saber vanguard

PRAYING that it’s not

actually nvm we already getting one

[jovial wolf]

its either naruto or saber

ong

[marsh crater]

Rip saber vanguard

WE WON

[jovial wolf]

no bro no 9.5 we got this

[cedar spruce]

its naruto

[marsh crater]

its shirou vanguard

[jovial wolf]

shirou!?!?!

[marsh crater]

yea

the peak

vanguard worthy

[marsh crater]

pain arc

🙏

[bold nacelle]

NOFUCKYOUPERISHMYVEGITASUPERMONARCHWILLBEGOODAGAIN

[long basalt]

SO REAL

[marsh crater]

https://tenor.com/view/android18-db-hit-slap-vegeta-gif-11734299

[marsh crater]

I heard enough

Z broly getting a vanguard

[grizzled bramble]

vanguard vegeta should have the same mechanics as unevolved guts

its really fitting

[jolly grail]

are we jus typing shit

winter upd was when this game started to regain its players after fate

[green needle]

winter update legit revives the game gang 🥀

[hallow dagger]

someone a little sad

[bold nacelle]

me to bro

me to

[mental plank]

2 million takedowns 😭

[hallow dagger]

used him on release baresssssss

[grizzled bramble]

android 18 vanguard pls

[grizzled bramble]

hes not getting evolved

[sour hornet]

Super 17 vangaurd

[hallow dagger]

are we a fucking dumbass now

[bold nacelle]

he is

multiple things pointing to the double evo

[summer panther]

The fucking file is called "vegeta evo sneak" man

😭

[lusty dock]

so in your opinion vegeta is the better option as the vanguard over Broly?

[summer panther]

Im not the lead balancer

My opinion is invalid here

So is yours

[lusty dock]

why are you so desperate to see vegeta become one?

[summer panther]

Im not lol but all evidence points to it being a vegeta double evo

What i think about that isnt relevant

[grizzled bramble]

ragebait succeeded

you are an evil man

[hallow dagger]

im disappointed not angry

[grizzled bramble]

im notd mad im just disappointed

[calm acorn]

gogeta blue vanguard coming

[grizzled bramble]

nah

[calm acorn]

yes

that looks like a raid animation icl

the broly and vegeta thing

they gotta put gogeta blue somewhere 😭

if it's that dragon ball movie based update

[grizzled bramble]

yeah

but where is goku to fuse

[calm acorn]

I mean who do you see more likely

[grizzled bramble]

with vegeta

[calm acorn]

another nature vanguard

or a water vanguard

when water is one of the weakest elements

[grizzled bramble]

vegeta water?

[calm acorn]

gogeta

gogeta blue

[grizzled bramble]

he is NOt the vanguard bro 😂

its vegeta sadly

[calm acorn]

the model looks horrendous

[grizzled bramble]

yeah

[calm acorn]

why would vegeta himself be the vanguard lmfao

it's so boring

[grizzled bramble]

but he'll evo

[calm acorn]

brolys more likely to be the vanguard if anything

[grizzled bramble]

nah not rlly

[calm acorn]

Dragon ball was just a shit pick

[grizzled bramble]

he would just be like escanor

raw damage no usefulness

[grizzled bramble]

nah

[calm acorn]

we callin escanor useless now 😭💔

[grizzled bramble]

just not vegeta

[grizzled bramble]

nah im saying broly

[calm acorn]

gogeta blue is the vanguard

[grizzled bramble]

i worded tha tbad

[hallow dagger]

vegeta sneak
the video is literally called "vegeta_evo_sneak"
"oh yeah, it's broly"

[grizzled bramble]

says vegeta evo dont mean its vanguard evo 🕊️

[calm acorn]

yh

vegeta is just not a cool pick

unless it's ultra ego

or smthc

[grizzled bramble]

yeah thats stupid asf

[hallow dagger]

what? pyseph said this will be our second quest vanguard relating to the vegeta sneak

titled vegeta evo sneak

[calm acorn]

but the update looks based off that one movie

[hallow dagger]

so yes it does

[grizzled bramble]

no hes lying

[hallow dagger]

mean vegeta is the vanguard

[calm acorn]

we'll see soon anyways

[hallow dagger]

you said u ragebaited me but you really do believe broly is the vanguard

[grizzled bramble]

i mean why would ssjb vegeta be vanguard

[hallow dagger]

so no u really are a fucking dumbass

[grizzled bramble]

never said

[calm acorn]

they said in the stage vegeta is complicated

[hallow dagger]

but thats not ur decision

is it

[calm acorn]

so it's probably a fusion unit like vegito

[wise jackal]

Because he’s not technically the vanguard

[hallow dagger]

yes

[grizzled bramble]

but i watched movie

[wise jackal]

It’s Broly

[calm acorn]

so it's gonna be gogeta blue

[grizzled bramble]

so what else could it be

[hallow dagger]

this means nothing btw

[calm acorn]

another nature vanguard?

[hallow dagger]

snoobert is right

[grizzled bramble]

wdym

[calm acorn]

what could broly be

[wise jackal]

He can be blast

[lusty dock]

so why I don't see goku then

[grizzled bramble]

hes obviously gonna evo into ssjg or ssjb

[calm acorn]

another blast vanguard?

[lusty dock]

GOKU WASNT EVEN THERE

AT THAT PLACE LMAO

AND WHO FOUGHT BROLY MORE?

GOKU

[grizzled bramble]

i mean its only 1 sneak

[lusty dock]

IDK WHY THEY DOING VEGETA

[calm acorn]

y'all deeping it too much bro

[hallow dagger]

they said vegeta is complicated so just trust the av devs

[calm acorn]

it's gonna be gogeta blue or broly

[hallow dagger]

they cook lbr

[calm acorn]

everyone else seems so boring

[lusty dock]

NO BECAUSE WHY YOU ADDING VEGETA WITHOUT SSGB

SSJ VEGETA AS VANGUARD?

[hallow dagger]

broly is the dungeon secret but thats something you guys cant talk about

[calm acorn]

the vegeta model is the old one

including the old skin

[grizzled bramble]

dawg hes gonna get an evo

[lusty dock]

https://tenor.com/view/pissed-off-gif-2974351892638196543

[calm acorn]

if they make it a vanguard it'll be a better model prolly

[grizzled bramble]

i mean who else would it be

[hallow dagger]

didnt a developer say the next vanguard will be one from upd 0

[lusty dock]

okay let's be realistically

[grizzled bramble]

hopefully they make shiny better

[calm acorn]

ya

[lusty dock]

we already know they're only adding 3 units

cuz there were 3 important characters

[calm acorn]

when did they say this

[lusty dock]

so who can the third one be

[grizzled bramble]

that guy is barely a dev

[calm acorn]

worldlines is gonna come out

[lusty dock]

its a dbs movie bru

who is there to add

[grizzled bramble]

worldline

[lusty dock]

oh right i forget wl

[hallow dagger]

yet you think you know more than him

[calm acorn]

so worldlines unit

[wise jackal]

If Vegeta was the vanguard they wouldn’t have said it would be confusing if they explained it

[lusty dock]

yeah its probably wl

so still 3 units in total

[grizzled bramble]

i do 🙏

[hallow dagger]

so basically im arguing with a guy who thinks he knows more than a dev

[calm acorn]

broly is dungeon vegeta + goku will be the vanguard and we gon get frieza as worldlines

[hallow dagger]

yh this is useless

[grizzled bramble]

vegeta as vanguard is dumbass idea and when update comes out yall gonna be like "ohhhh i shouldve known

[lusty dock]

frieza as wl

[hallow dagger]

i cant with this brainless community

[calm acorn]

yh

[lusty dock]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

[grizzled bramble]

am i wrong 😂

[calm acorn]

should've js went to moro arc or whatever it's called

[hallow dagger]

again its not your decision

[calm acorn]

give us tui ultra ego and black frieza

[wise jackal]

Why would they wait an hour to show Broly if Vegeta was the highlight of the update

[hallow dagger]

because guess what

they showed the first one at the start

then extended it at the end

[wise jackal]

• broly’s animation was better

[calm acorn]

it looks like broly is coming to attack so it's probably the raid animation possibly

[pulsar hemlock]

Vegeta broly duo, vroly

[calm acorn]

like how cid and smith John has a swap

[lusty dock]

why would they show a raid boss in a sneak peak

[hallow dagger]

igris was sneaked more btw during vsjw

[lusty dock]

they didnt do that for vsjw

[calm acorn]

because raids didn't have animations back then

lmao

[grizzled bramble]

who decided that

[lusty dock]

it did?

sbr has one

and they SHOW him

her*

[calm acorn]

?

[lusty dock]

wait

this isnt ar aid

its dungeon

[pulsar hemlock]

Huh?

[calm acorn]

what

are you saying

[lusty dock]

why are you saying its raids

its dungeons

[calm acorn]

yh so new dungeon animation

[hallow dagger]

keep in mind we are arguing with people who think broly is the vanguard because quote on quote "his animation was cooler"

[lusty dock]

no

they didnt show one for vsjw

[calm acorn]

im sure they're gonna go all out w animations

[lusty dock]

and nobody cares about animations

we disable them

[calm acorn]

because vsjw had 3 seperate animations itself

[lusty dock]

why should vegeta be the vanguard?

he didnt do anything in the movie

[calm acorn]

and then the evo evolution

[pulsar hemlock]

Cid raid has an animation btw

[lusty dock]

he is also a fraud

[hallow dagger]

hes f2p and more known

[lusty dock]

we talking about the same guy who let cell became perfect cell

"he f2p"

[calm acorn]

it's gogeta blue

[lusty dock]

the developers can also add broly to banner

and say its f2p

[hallow dagger]

but everyone has vegeta

[jovial wolf]

Vegeta hate will not be tolerated

[lusty dock]

i dont see ssgb in #「💡」sneaks

does anyone here see ssgb?

[grizzled bramble]

not wrong tho, broly was like highlight of sneak

[calm acorn]

we didn't get the model

idiot

[lusty dock]

which model?

[calm acorn]

why is the vegeta model the old one?

[lusty dock]

how do you know its not finished?

[calm acorn]

why does it use the old skin?

[lusty dock]

why would they show ssj over ssb

[calm acorn]

talking js to talk bro

[grizzled bramble]

clearly they didnt show the evod form

[calm acorn]

idk im not a dev

[wise jackal]

His impact frame matches up with ssj btw

[hallow dagger]

so lets say a none one piece watcher watched zoros fights compared to luffy who do you think they would of thought the main character is

[calm acorn]

gg

[hallow dagger]

thats your logic

[lusty dock]

zoro

[hallow dagger]

yes

[lusty dock]

he's more seen in the show

[grizzled bramble]

completely different

[lusty dock]

than luffy

[hallow dagger]

and thats ur logi8c

[grizzled bramble]

😂

[hallow dagger]

its not

[lusty dock]

doesnt that mean ur wrong

because

vegeta wasnt seen in the movie?

[hallow dagger]

u think ones vanguard for cooler animation

[lusty dock]

it was just goku n broly

[hallow dagger]

does it matter about a movie or not

u guys are deeping it so much

[calm acorn]

the model and the animation and the face is so ass

[grizzled bramble]

not "cooler" just had more spotlight objectively

[pulsar hemlock]

Chat, i dont want to alarm yall but...

Paragus is the new vanguard

[lusty dock]

who on green earth would think vegeta would be the vanguard if broly is tweaking in the sneak peak red eyes and all

[pulsar hemlock]

Im sorry devs for leaking

[hallow dagger]

which again means nothing ibr

[lusty dock]

it does yes

[calm acorn]

i js want gogeta blue as the vanguard

[lusty dock]

out of every versions u couldve done majin

and u did dbs

[hallow dagger]

ur deeping it too much

[lusty dock]

the one arc he has no screen time in

[calm acorn]

im gonna get it regardless 💔😭

[hallow dagger]

they said hes gonna be complicated

[calm acorn]

doesn't matter what vanguard it is

a vanguard is a vanguard

[lusty dock]

you guys keep thinking its vegeta because of the name

but that doesnt confirm anything does it

[grizzled bramble]

maybe but trust me ur wrong, ssjb vegeta as a vanguard is like gear 4 luffy vanguard

if yk what im saying

[hallow dagger]

the dev saying its upd 0

and the title

prett ymuch sums it up

[lusty dock]

2 months old

[grizzled bramble]

bc its not his full potential

[lusty dock]

image

[hallow dagger]

ibsr

[lusty dock]

everything can change within the two months

[hallow dagger]

road maps arent a thing now

fairs

[lusty dock]

road maps are uh

not accurate

[hallow dagger]

thats why they said which one idunno

they have the planning

[lusty dock]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-broly-dragon-ball-super-broly-anime-fight-dragon-ball-super-gif-25778556

this is who we want to be the vanguard?

[grizzled bramble]

this the guy hes saying is vanguard

[hallow dagger]

again ur logic is vegeta is shit so hes not the vanguard

[lusty dock]

a guy being beaten by a untrained guy

[grizzled bramble]

guy who got whooped

[lusty dock]

nobody said vegeta is shit

hes just a fraud

he don't do shit

[hallow dagger]

so hes shit

[lusty dock]

being a fraud and not doing work don't mean he's shit?

[hallow dagger]

really does

[grizzled bramble]

how we gonna have escanor, kaguya, vsjw, then adding vegeta to vanguard list

thats disrespectful

[hallow dagger]

okay look

if vegeta is the vanguard

and everyone gets him fro mthe mailbox

will they gain new players

yes

thats what they want

they dont care about you

or US

[lusty dock]

mailbox has been confirmed to never be used ever again

why would they use mailbox

[grizzled bramble]

then why tf is it still in game 😂

[hallow dagger]

every new players gets vegeta for free

they are doing it for more attraction

mushy they know youre not gonna quit the game

[lusty dock]

well they stopped using it because two duplicated bugs happened through mailbox

[grizzled bramble]

i mean yeah that makes sense but doesnt prove hes vanguard

[lusty dock]

so by this logic vegetea will bring in more hype than broly?

[hallow dagger]

but its logical

[lusty dock]

[hallow dagger]

new players dont care about the hype

theyre new

[grizzled bramble]

i mean vegeta prob more well known

[hallow dagger]

yes

he is

[grizzled bramble]

oh i see

im ok with vegeta vanguard as long as his passive is same as unevolved guts

[lusty dock]

okay that's fair tbh

[grizzled bramble]

so he doesnt attack and useless

[hallow dagger]

they know veterans of av are not gonna quit and theyre jsut gonna gain more players by it

people who get monarchs stay loyal

[grizzled bramble]

yes

[hallow dagger]

customer loyalty and retention

[grizzled bramble]

vegeta better be stacked

and not 17 hour grind

[hallow dagger]

they said hes complicated we can trust them

they are the ebst at making passives

[wise jackal]

Vegeta is gonna get sacrificed like Igris

[lusty dock]

they don't care about loyal players

wtf you mean

[hallow dagger]

yh i know

but i msayng

you wont quit

because you dont like one vanguard

they know that

[wise jackal]

Complicated as in broly is the real vanguard

[hallow dagger]

icl ur ragebaiting no one

[wise jackal]

It’s not rage bait

[hallow dagger]

came out of nowhere to say the biggest tomfoolery

like please

[wise jackal]

The guy asked the dev how will the evo work and the dev said if we explained it you guys would be even more confused

[hallow dagger]

yh okay thanks

[wise jackal]

If the vanguard evo was just a basic evolution it wouldn’t be confusing

[grizzled bramble]

average dev bullshi

[hallow dagger]

we know this already

[lusty dock]

lets just wait

for the next sneak peak

because i know its broly

[grizzled bramble]

its broly bc he has aura

[pulsar hemlock]

Freezer

[grizzled bramble]

is there purple rarity frieza

its him then

bc hes update 0

or rare goku

then u get 5 saiyans in ur team with him

to make him ssjg

then do vanguard quest

then make him vanguard ssjb

he has kaioken and ui and shi

[nova spade]

Just say you hate dragon ball because for you it boring anime and doesn't want them to added and thinking it will kill the game 🥀

[bold nacelle]

didnt think about that

might be a boss rush

[bold nacelle]

would make sense lowk

[bold nacelle]

mythic bulma farm

[pulsar hemlock]

🤖

[bold nacelle]

i swear to god

if they make him bad with monarch

[lusty dock]

Assuming they add broly + vegeta along with Goku and then there’s wl
Unit

Could be 5 if they
Plan on adding bulls

[bold nacelle]

forgot about the worldlines unit

shit i forgot about worldlines

im on floor 43

[bold nacelle]

i meannn i havent seen heaps of db stuff but he has enough raw power to back it up

kinda like freiza

he didnt train

[bold nacelle]

NO NO NO NO NO

[bold nacelle]

wait

what if

the double evo is for the exclusive browly

so it becomes the most gatekept double evo ever

[lusty dock]

That’s dbz broly

Which has nothing to do with dbs version

[bold nacelle]

yeah

still

apparently loads of the devs dont even watch anime

sounds like something they would do

add trading this update as well and watch his value go through the roof

[severe gale]

You rlly crying abt a Broly FUCKING VANGUARD!!!

You know much ppl love Broly and how many times he has been completely shitty in every td game

Let av cook then u can say wtv you want abt the update

Let’s us have our Broly

[bold nacelle]

yeah, but vegitas more known

will prolly get more players

im not biased at all btw

completely neutral

[severe gale]

maybe yea but that movie that so hyped cuz of Broly

[severe gale]

And my boi got robbed

[bold nacelle]

he will still likely be very good

100% a secret

[severe gale]

The only cool version of vegita is ultra ego

That would be a very very cool looking vanguard

[bold nacelle]

yh

[amber sparrow]

majin vegeta

[severe gale]

meh

[carmine widget]

Bro, you literally did NOT play the AV and don’t know what you’re talking about, it was SSJ4 Gogeta who literally helped save the game, what killed it were the consecutive bad updates with Dandandan, Jojo, and the return of AA.

[vapid thunder]

Trust me I played it, even with the horrible winter update. I’m level 130 and got 3 gogetas I definitely played it. But the update were still boring. In that period of time the only things I did were put on the maco when I slept and had to work then when I came home I summoned and left to play a other game. There were so close to no content, the only thing that kept me going were the thought of gogetas trading value

[vapid thunder]

It was a chore not something you do for fun I despise that update and the other 0 content dragon ball update that just added a story mode

And yes it def killed the game, it contributed almost just as much as dandadan

[carmine widget]

You’re imposing a very personal view on the update, and you even admit you played a lot because of Gogeta’s trade value. If you played, then you know AV had around 6k average player base, and after the Winter Event it went back to having 25–35k average players consistently, until it skyrocketed with the Bleach update in 4.0. It might have been boring for you, sure, but it definitely did NOT kill the game—in fact, it helped keep it alive. Plus, we can’t even compare the Winter one with this, since it’ll be a craftable Vanguard.

Look, the discussion isn’t about whether it was good or not, fun or not, but about your claim that SSJ4 Gogeta killed the game—which is completely false. It was actually the period of updates from 3.0 to 4.0 that brought AV back as the best tower defense, while the consecutive BAD updates from AA dragged it down.

[vapid thunder]

it never got above 30k, it were max 20k at release

then went below 20k after a week or so

[vapid thunder]

and now you're just putting words in my mouth, I said the update where gogeta appeared was bad, I see a pattern when ever they add a dragonball like update it won't be good.

[raven crane]

Why are you all yapping?

[vapid thunder]

I never said specific units killed it, it's the updates

[raven crane]

U all need giselle to save you all

[carmine widget]

but the winter update was NOT a dragon ball update

it's a WINTER UPDATE with a dragon ball VANGUARD

[vapid thunder]

wow I couldn't notice that without my glasses

why are you stating the obvious?

[carmine widget]

and the game did get 30k on the first day, and let's say it didn't get that, it stayed at 20k at most, it's still great since it was averaging 6k daily

just say straight out that you don't like the DB anime, it's easier than arguing in circles against facts

[muted ferry]

why is this not deleted yet

😭

[vapid thunder]

so far you haven't done anything but lying but you can try telling the truth for once and argue properly

[carmine widget]

first spike is gogeta

Can you explain to me how he helped kill the game?

[vapid thunder]

this was max players reached btw

and it slowly went down up until next upd

[carmine widget]

which is completely normal

[vapid thunder]

I see you egtting fact checked here

they never had 30k

from that upd

which proves my point

you're lying

[carmine widget]

Okay, I may have been wrong about the maximum number of players on the first day, but that doesn't discredit my argument in literally any way.

[vapid thunder]

if you wanna argue come up with some real evidence

[carmine widget]

Didn't get 30k? Okay.

Gogeta helped kill the game? That's still not true, and you know it.

[vapid thunder]

I mean if you look at the graph even dandadan had more players on release im pretty sure

[carmine widget]

What was the update period that brought AV back to the meta?

[vapid thunder]

bleach

[carmine widget]

says me

[carmine widget]

no

[vapid thunder]

and sjw

[carmine widget]

bleach did indeed bring the game back, but before that he regained a certain player base in 3.0 and 3.5

before the winter update the game literally had 6k players

[vapid thunder]

he? you talking about someone now?

[carmine widget]

this is not the bleach update scenario

[vapid thunder]

perhaps, but they also took an abnormally long time to release the update which lead to player depletion because of no content for more than a month

[carmine widget]

bro, talking to you is like talking to a wall, you just believe what you say

you don't even believe that gogeta helped kill the update, he just hates the anime, and that's okay, not everyone needs to like DB, but it's a hype anime and pleases more players than most others

[vapid thunder]

I got absoloutely nothing against dragon ball, I got something against making dragon ball updates on av. They are really bad at it apparently because when als made their dragon ball update it was peak. Probably one of the best godly updates, while av on the other hand is almost gaining nothing from them

I just don't want the game to go in its dying stage again

[carmine widget]

but the game has only had 1 DB update until today

only one

If I had had two, and this was the third, I would agree with you

This update probably resembles the game's 4.5, where a character from the release received an evolve and had a phase for the anime

[vapid thunder]

and the thing you're talking about talking to a wall is just wrong, I come up with valid arguments and when you can't counter them you start using that line that I'm being ignorant and so on so fourth but in reality you just don't have an answer because I'm right about it.

[muted ferry]

what your forgetting here is that it’s a free vangaurd

it’s immune to flopping

[vapid thunder]

every vanguard has been free

[muted ferry]

false

[last geyser]

102 patricks

[muted ferry]

you have to gamble for past vangaurd

[vapid thunder]

I certainly do hope it goes like sjw vanguard but with the history of this game and dragon ball I got doubts

[muted ferry]

vsjw is free and gaurenteed

[carmine widget]

What are you right about? Your initial statement is that Dragon Ball Vanguard killed the game once, this is false

[last geyser]

Ye hope u get kaguya after upd 8.5

[muted ferry]

old av devs didn’t listen

[vapid thunder]

read the messages broski

[muted ferry]

they are forced to listen after aot upd

this upd gon be good rest assured

they don’t wanna drop players again

[vapid thunder]

I already got kaguya and monarch on her

[last geyser]

How about diavolo

My goat diavolo is finally useful to be used as a argument against this guy

[muted ferry]

i got shafted on diavlo and gogeta

[vapid thunder]

ye but there's pity you can literally just get a free vanguard by sitting in afk chamber

[last geyser]

Thats shameful

[muted ferry]

i hate gambling in this game

[muted ferry]

yea but before vangaurd pity all you could do was pray

[vapid thunder]

how so?

[last geyser]

The point is that pity is only available when the event is still on

How the fuck do newbies conpete with old players when you keep gatekeeping vanguards

[muted ferry]

yea and they don’t stay

[vapid thunder]

it what makes td games fun tbh, it's the excitement of getting a monarch or a rare unit, that's how I see it at least

[last geyser]

And say they are all free?

[muted ferry]

vsjw is available forever

[last geyser]

No they are fucking not free

[muted ferry]

this upd is immune to flopping

[last geyser]

"all vanguards have been free"

[vapid thunder]

ofc? they want to keep more ccu by making vanguards limited, but they will always get surpassed by the next vanguard almost all the times, so it's not completely necessary to get the old vanguards because they will get useless after some time, plus they are adding trading

[vapid thunder]

indeed they have, I haven't paid a single penny for any vanguards

[muted ferry]

ccu dropped cuz they kept doing portal updates

[vapid thunder]

nor the traits on them

[last geyser]

Did i mention they will buff old vanguards that are outdated?

[muted ferry]

that are boring asl

[vapid thunder]

you're right about that and it's also very boring to do the same again and again

[vapid thunder]

no they won't they stated that in the stage

they will however add familiars

[last geyser]

Thats a buff

[vapid thunder]

but that means they won't be able to use other familiars for further buffs

which means the newest will always be the best

[muted ferry]

that’s how gacha games work

[vapid thunder]

exactly

[muted ferry]

i think the devs have a brain to at least know what to not do for the upd

[vapid thunder]

I sure hope they have learned from their past mistakes

then I will be all for this update

as long as they make a good update

[muted ferry]

after aot they got it engraved in their brain 😭

hot garbage ah upd

[meager owl]

how this game felt like after dropping 2 vanguard units of the same anime

when theres like 8974187941987 animes out there

[vapid thunder]

bro I hate the boss rush they should nerf it fr, I was even excited about the aot update but it just ended up being almost as bad as dandadan

[meager owl]

boss rush is so easy bro what u on about

[vapid thunder]

that's also basically my whole thought proces just like als adding another godly jojos character

I was kinda mad abt that too

[meager owl]

mm

[vapid thunder]

the aot one? maybe I don't understand the mechanics then

[meager owl]

ok that one is tough you need the right units

[vapid thunder]

when I played it it took 20 mins because I apparently had to spam neuclear titans at base to defend against the boss

[meager owl]

id recommend using full aoe units like guts

and use zeke/eren for the nuke aswell

[vapid thunder]

hm I don't got him evolved yet, I'm poor on gems because apparently my pity banner unit never gives me the one in the middle

[meager owl]

guts yhwach zeke eren is a good team

could replace yhwach with gojo for dps

[vapid thunder]

I got yhwach, but I don't have the others evolved so I can't use them yet

[meager owl]

guts is ez as hell to evo

[vapid thunder]

dropped the game when the update about that game came out. So I haven't really caught up with the aot units

[vapid thunder]

I know but I'm poor on gems

[marble snow]

The GG update killed the game not the dbz update

[vapid thunder]

and don't want to grind them

[meager owl]

do bounties

[vapid thunder]

I'm too lazy to grind gems rn idk why. All im doing in the game is just playing the 25 games in odyssey then I'm out again after a couple minutes

I don't got the same commitment as I earlier had

hopefully this dragon ball update will be good

[azure stump]

U gonna say the same with naruto?🤔🤔

[gusty quest]

why is he lying???

dudes just be typing shit dude

[meager owl]

im one of the few people that got gogeta

[gusty quest]

never even got gogeta

but im telling you

IT NEVER killed the game

it did the opposite

[marble snow]

Like fr it was the GG update and the follow up from the aot update killing the game

[vapid thunder]

same with naruto? If they added another vanguard naruto character right after this one then yes.

they should give more for other animes

instead of milking off of the same

[gusty quest]

yeh i dont blame it since GG doesnt have the biggest fanbase but its a cool game

[meager owl]

the frick is gg

[gusty quest]

aot was executed terribly

[marble snow]

It’s just to niche sadly

[gusty quest]

Guilty Gear

[meager owl]

oh

[azure stump]

They added Kaguya rn because there is gonna be another naruto vanguard, Madara 😇

[meager owl]

yeah that killed the game

[gusty quest]

i was surprised they putted more work on GG they even have animated eyes is crazy work

[marble snow]

What element is gogeta? Because I think they want to make a vanguard for every element first

[azure stump]

Blast

[vapid thunder]

okay maybe killing the game is a strong word, it affected the game kind of negatively either that or it didn't help the game at all just kept it at stalemate, most of it was because it took more than one month for the update to release after the update

[marble snow]

Maybe broly is gonna be spark?

[vapid thunder]

you think so? He is weaker than her

[meager owl]

they should add a silksong update

[vapid thunder]

blast as far as I remember

[gusty quest]

i mean what did u expect from it?

[marble snow]

Next battle pass we get hollow knight chars haha

[vapid thunder]

maybe expected the game to get at least get 40% of their old playerbase back

[azure stump]

Atd dont works if the character is weaker or strongest AT ALL, we gonna see it if Broly or Vegeta is the vanguard too

[gusty quest]

i mean they kinda did? it hit like 50K-60K its still good for a playerbase like that

[marble snow]

I think it’s a invincible unit like vegeta vs broly

[azure stump]

Wouldve cool

[vapid thunder]

you're right about that, now I'm taking perspective from als, usually the godlies are the strongest in their verse or the most most popular either of those two. Idk with vanguards tho because I haven't watched jojos and I'm also unsure who the strongest is in db

[vapid thunder]

we talking about gogeta update right?

[azure stump]

If it wouldve for strongest of their verse. Goku and ichigo wouldnt be godlies too

[vapid thunder]

here's statistics about the players in that upd period, it barely reached half of what you're saying bro

[gusty quest]

🤦 mb i was talking about the dbz one

[vapid thunder]

it's alr gang

[vapid thunder]

I don't think we have a bleach godly I might just be remembering incorrectly. But isn't zeno or freeza stronger than goku im not familiar with the anime so correct me if I'm wrong

[marble snow]

Ichigo is a bleach godly and Zeno can destroy everything , freeza is atm stronger than Goku yes

[vapid thunder]

oh my bad, I was thinking of anime vanguards not als there lol

[marble snow]

Ahh, I am for real here I would have preferred a vanguard ichigo evo or saber evo

[vapid thunder]

ngl now I'm biased I want a saber alter evo because I got monarch on her😭

[marble snow]

Haha

Atp I thing saber and saber alter get a boring familiar

[vapid thunder]

maybe, or they are just going to ignore the characters

lowkey diavalo deserves a buff because he is such an underdog compared to the other vanguards

[marble snow]

I mean I like that the familiars give basically a free monarch

For people without monarch a really cool thing

[azure stump]

Goku was the respective godly from his update ToP, the one who bring characters like Black Frieza, Beerus and Whis, they are stronger then him, but dont making MUI goku aa the godly wouldve a bad idea.
Ichigo was the one from TYWB, Ywach or Aizen could’ve fit better if it was for strongest

[vapid thunder]

Ye that’s nice

[azure stump]

And Madara is something like goku, they added Kaguya rn to make Madara the vanguard from war ninja update

[vapid thunder]

I would love to see a aizen godly, but they gotta give other animes a chance as well, I’m actually surprised naruto haven’t gotten one yet

[azure stump]

Baryon Naruto is gonna be the next godly

[vapid thunder]

Might be, or they just gonna do boruto update and make godlies of the alien guys or something😭

[vapid thunder]

Fr?

[azure stump]

Yes

[vapid thunder]

That’s peak

[azure stump]

I don’t think so, boruto would bring a baryon naruto vanguard probably

And a lot people wanted Madara before kaguya

[vapid thunder]

Oh ye probably

Idk why but I would love to see a naruto/sasuke in one unit

That would be a crazy godly

[azure stump]

They wasted war ninja arc so bad

Or u mean boruto ones

Adults

[vapid thunder]

fr, I was hoping madara would be godly at that time but the update just ended up being an event

[vapid thunder]

ye

[marble snow]

The ones fighting momoshiki and fuse susanoo and kurama would be peak

[vapid thunder]

Yes that one

[azure stump]

I’d rather the ones who fight jiren, the fused susanoo with kurama is soo good

[vapid thunder]

wait the new sneak for als, isn't that demon slayer or something?

[azure stump]

Yes, after demon slayer there will be naruto

[vapid thunder]

alright, wasn't godly updates every 4 updates, has there only been 3 since the last godly?

[azure stump]

I think so, but he say in a podcast naruto will be the next godly

[vapid thunder]

Nice I'm guessing he will get a life drain passive if it's baryon mode

[nova spade]

Dude not playing any real gacha anime game, they even added pity reward for their hard work grinding.

Are you trying to said that it will be fun if pity doesn't exist in Roblox anime tower defense?

[vapid thunder]

are you lost?

I never said that

I said gambling makes td fun

not that there isn't a pity

[bold nacelle]

I mean the grind was the first ever portal grind, so while it was boring it was brand new content, and a huge jump from 0.75

not to mention assuming this update has a new dungeon, it should do similarly to vsjw

since its the same structure

[placid flax]

I better not see 50 boss kills

That was so stupid

[vapid thunder]

It is a vanguard Unit you shouldn’t expect it to be a Walk in the park

[marble snow]

What if it’s a noob friendly vanguard added to the vegeta quest at the start?

[jovial wolf]

I doubt it

Valk said it would be another grindy vanguard

[marble snow]

Ah I see

[dense summit]

why would that make sense

[marble snow]

Never said it would make sense, just thought would be nice for newer players

[placid flax]

Hard and ridiculously annoying are not the same

[vapid thunder]

It is just hard, it can’t be annoying unless you’re mentally unstable

[vapid thunder]

If it’s a meta Unit it has to be hard to obtain but if it’s just as good as an unevolved mythic then I have no problem of it being easy to get

[grizzled bramble]

hopefully

first vanguard who dont need monarch

[finite lintel]

123 caroline reactions is crazy bro

brutal

cruel

[finite lintel]

thank god

so new players which have 10 levels cant get it

i love this

i hate all newbies

specifically that bacon which has 30 levels n has shiny kaguya

[bold nacelle]

but is still good w it like vsjw

bc i got monarch vegita supet

[modern tulip]

Ur a newbie bro ik u are 😭

[molten latch]

Pls sybau, I asked for a dragonball vanguard

[modern tulip]

Gogeta not even a vanguard he’s just a trophy

[finite lintel]

200levels played since release

[modern tulip]

Noob called it

[grizzled bramble]

under 250 is noob

[modern tulip]

Deadass I’m 400

[finite lintel]

not a flex