#Dear Devs… Regarding About Trading…
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And uh the pity?
Just don't roll on them
Is this a good or bad idea
sounds really easy to abuse, just keep trading to get monarch on your meta units
I thought this is fair
My question is the pity
With this system will it just reset or what?
Yh
wouldn’t this kinda just open up a loophole for trait transfer?
So if you tell me I can trade monarch rengoku for monarch kaguya I get monarch kaguya?
I feel like people would trade shitty exclusives with monarch for better units
…
this is horrible
See
Still horrible
this is a terrible idea
if you ever pull a monarch rare
trade your vanguard to an alt
trade the rare back for the epic
It would be kinda the same
traits should be completely not included in trading at all
Im sorry little jodio, but this is ad trading moment
Uh toji monarch for traitless Dante or something
Monarch haruka rin for Monarch dante, such a good trade
the unit should reset levels and trait after trading
??? I DONT WANT MY MONARCH ESCANOR GONE
Yeah
that is common sense
It's gone bro 
Simple solution, get more escanors
I have dupes of all vanguards except for diavolo
Dang i didnt think this through 😭
Instead of this reset traits just like would happen when stat transfering 
I feel like stats should stay
yeye
Stats yea but not traits
At least it brings a little of "value" for those meh exclusives
No
My godly okarun for your shiny diavolo w
when trading make it where traits get Removed
Real
Uh
okay
i rewrote it
how about it
dude just delete this suggestion already, bro is already on token😭 🙏
whats wrong with the token idea?
is bro gonna have shiny token next
just make it simple and easy remove the trait
what if you had monarch on that unit?
why would i even trade that unit then
No
cause you could get a better unit
Whats wrong with the monarch token? It cant be exploited and only be used on the same unit?
they can put it on a shiny
Did you even read my suggestion
lowkey just dont add trading
Okay after realizing my original plan could be exploited into trait transfering, here is a second solution.
When trading a unit away, you obtain a token of that exact trait (Only Mythic Traits) for that exact unit.
When you trade away Monarch Escanor, you obtain a Monarch Token for Escanor only. You can use it again on Escanor if you get him again.
Shinies do not apply.
Tokens cannot be traded nor deleted.
better unit on what? on value lmao, trading is either use value to trade for meta unit or meta to value
what about now ;-;
value ofc
I want a diavolo duh
legit its gonna be a split community 50% of the player base trading and the other half grinding
ok then u are doing value trades at that point, trait doesn't matter anyways
I do want to play the game occasionally to grind units
and monarchs are important to grind said units
ad is a good example on how shit trading is
AA trading was sorta balanced
trading sim
wait genuniely whats wrong with this v2 idea
Okay after realizing my original plan could be exploited into trait transfering, here is a second solution.
When trading a unit away, you obtain a token of that exact trait (Only Mythic Traits) for that exact unit.
When you trade away Monarch Escanor, you obtain a Monarch Token for Escanor only. You can use it again on Escanor if you get him again.
Shinies do not apply.
Tokens cannot be traded nor deleted.
Tbh it was mostly used bc of the terrible stat transfer
I see..
Whats wrong with that tho
also that doesnt make sense you could trade the non trait unit off
instead of the one with monarch
this suggestion is for people who only have one copy of said unit and has monarch on it
and wants to trade it off
if they want Escanor again they could trade it back and use the monarch token
the other side gets the escanor with monarch and you get a token to get monarch on another escanor?
NO???
THEY GET A TRAITLESS ESCANOR
BRO HOW SPECIFIC I GOTTA GET
I DIDNT THINK I NEED TO SPECIFY THAT?
you do
Okay after realizing my original plan could be exploited into trait transfering, here is a second solution.
When trading a unit away, you obtain a token of that exact trait (Only Mythic Traits) for that exact unit.
The Guy You Traded Escanor To GETS A TRAITLESS ESCANOR AND NO TOKENS
When you trade away Monarch Escanor, you obtain a Monarch Token for Escanor only. You can use it again on Escanor if you get him again.
Shinies do not apply.
Tokens cannot be traded nor deleted.
what about now
anyone else would have the exact question
fair?
yea
jeez
welp time to wait for people to read it
@south bone @high drum what about now ;-; surely there isnt anything wrong with this idea
its better but idk if this is needed
- The orignal idea I didnt account for the trait could be exploited.
- I have a monarch Escanor and I plan on trading him off for a shiny diavolo (Dont criticize I will add duh)
But eventually I will trade for Escanor again with other stuff and I want to have my monarch back on him
no dude traits should stay absolutely divided from trading no matter if it comes with the unit or gives you a token
whats wrong with keeping the monarch you grinded for on the unit you had?
also it is divided from trading
or just dont trade the unit with monarch
^
I only have one escanor sadly
so essentially you want this added for your own personal benefit
i mean it benefits all people who only have a single copy of escanor?
because overall the idea of traits being included in trading is just a terrible idea no matter how you put it
did you reread the suggestion? Traits arent included in trading
If the token is only for the unit traded, then it seems unnecessary idk (just dont trade monarch)
you don't have to trade away your only escanor
Idk if you done trading before but sometimes there are rlly good trades that u have to take,
and that trade sometime requires you to trade off the unit that has a monarch on it
also whats wrong with the token idea? The other trader doesnt get the token, only you, and the token can only be used on the same unit that you originally had it on and cannot be used on shiny
and if you have monarch on a unit included in the trade it's not a good trade for you thats just how it should be
so jus shiny trait transfer but with the trading addon
Did the original poster even though of this before publishing it?
Im confused whats wrong with the token idea

I said shinies cant be used
i even bolded it...
the person who have multiple copies of the unit:
no
you trade monarch escanor
player a trades monarch escanor to player b
whats wrong with that idea? The token can only be used once and why trade the monarch unit when you could trade the traitless unit
player b now can use monarch token on shiny ecanor
this just feels like extra work for the devs
player A trades Monarch escanor to player B
Player A gets monarch token for only escanor and cannot be used on any other unit and not shinies
thats what I meant
losing your trait in a trade is just how it should be it keeps it fair for everyone if you have to miss a good trade because of that then it's unfortunate

Every trading games delete traits or something similar to it, why shoudl av keep it
then whats the point of it

cause eventually if you want the unit back again you dont need to spend rrs to obtain a monarch u originally had on the unit
Why are you trading ur monarch escarole then
think before trading ig
will apply to every unit that you already have a good trait
You could get multiple copies
"Idk if you done trading before but sometimes there are rlly good trades that u have to take,
and that trade sometime requires you to trade off the unit that has a monarch on it"
traits should just be completely voided in anything to do with trading, the only thing that should remain is stats and familiars will probably be individually tradable anyways
your loss
Then do the trade?
Think of the profit
Either take it or leave it
yeah but think about the rrs you spent
your loss 2
also srsly whats wrong with the idea since it cant be exploited?
And think of the profit
tldr the reason for the suggestion is you might come across a good trade for your vanguard that you absolutely have to do but you dont wanna lose your trait
Worth the sacrifice
i just think it's pointless
then trade for rrs simple
I mean
Token can only be used once, cant be used on shiny, only on the unit u had monarch on,
i dont see any issues with that
it's just pointless 😭 if you want to prepare for trading then start farming for a 2nd escanor or something
So how would the game register
then if i use the token, trade again... i just get the token back
I have an esdeath and you can literally only have one copy ofit unless tournament
^
Yeah
and still can use the unit
not to mention anyone with 2 escanors would be able to flip it infinitely without losing the trait so they have NOTHING to lose at all
thats just pointless
Just get another escanor and get another monarch 
Always the dumbass trying to make things a lot more complicated
I just figured people with only one copy of a unit with monarch would like to keep said monarch on the unit when they get it back
because esdeath is a lb reward not a banner unit
it's supposed to be limited to dupes for only those who grinded to the top 32 or higher
They were never prepared for trading if all they have to trade is just a monarch escanor
you focused on one side meanwhile the other side will benefit by it even more and even exploit on their favour
How could this be exploited tho, the token cant be used on other units
By exploiting it on rare units?
Repeat
And there’s a chance you’ll find bugs within it
yeah thats true
could lead to dupes
but wdym on rare units?
right, lets say you trade off monarch diavolo to a monarch escanor. You get a traitless escanor. You got bored and traded escanor off to diavolo again. You have a monarch diavolo now
you say the trade is so good to the point you feel forced to trade your only monarch escanor.
you could simple flip that big trade for a escanor with adds and you will end with a monarch escanor and adds
you only wins and not lose anything
Who is doing that?
cause you use to own a monarch diavolo
Bm type shit
I said hypotheticaly
??? how is that blackmarket
yeah but the chances of finding that good trade is hard, and by then the guy already find someone else to trade
And how does your system help with that?
hard to find again? yea
but hard to flip it? no
Btw i said that scenario as a hypothetical scenario dont question if its an L or W trade
It’s your fault for not being prepared
if the trade is so good to the point you had to sacrifice a monarch unit then you would be able to find easily what you offer but with adds
i mean considering a monarch requires 1.5k rrs, thats if ur unlucky
@teal trout so whats wrong with this?
Think of the whales
cause honestly i only see like one side of this
🐳
Think of the orcas
I would think people would like this if they didnt grind an extra copy to use for trading
?
uh mushy
Also how is it pointless. It saves you from spending RRs on that unit
I don’t think he could find a valid argument against it ;-;
Hypothetical situation you trade Unit A with monarch for Unit B. You now have a traitless Unit B and a monarch token for unit A only and cannot be used on its shiny version.
If you get bored of unit B just trade it off for unit A again.
Saves you the trouble
And you can play the game
I used Escanor and Diavolo as an example cause Diavolo is trash and Escanor is good
Was good till I read no shinies like what
… that’s basically trait transferring to a shiny
Which should be added anyway so why does it matter lol
Devs said no to it in dev talk?
Er stage talk
So far the only reasons I heard was it’s a waste of time as a criticism
Which I don’t think so cause it saves you the trouble of spending RRs on the unit again
exactly
thats the entire point
You originally had monarch on the unit, and you traded the unit away, so if you trade it back again you get monarch on it cause you had a token for it
why remove the trait if we get token, just let it trade with the unit
Does it rlly exploit anything?
that would be the case if the trade is a fair one but your example is about if the trade is a big W for you
lets say you trade your worthless Unit A for valuable Unit B
you will get the monarch token for unit A and the Unit B
considering Unit b value is 2x/3x times of Unit A
you would be able to get your unit A again and with a add
which ends with you getting your unit back and with extra adds that you will able to trade for a better value
Cause someone can trade a monarch Rengoku for a monarch Kaguya
their loss
with that you will end with what you started but with better tradeable units
there wasn't any risk of trading
You don’t get the monarch token for unit B tho
that is the issue
That’s the point of trading tho? You trade for better stuff, downgrade it and then trade it again for even more
ik but your example you mention on your suggestion is if the trade is too good for you which means for traders value
So… you said we should just let traits be transferred along with the unit?
and you want us to have the downgraded stuff back on our og trait
Cause I thought people hated that idea
i dont have opinion about trading, can be with, can be without
let me think about it, im a lil slow today
Uh… nobody is rushing you
let me think
50/50
trading focus on risk and gaining
with your suggestion, the risk of trading would be lose
ooh
Where were you mushy I was waiting for your feedback
bump
are u dumb?
What’s wrong with the idea just say it
lets hear it out!
I’m tryna make it as balance as possible without the chance of traits being exploited

using diavolo is a bad example because realistically, there's only two ways this trade could go.
option 1, the diavolo user is going to take this massive L trade because he has a pending trade to the point it's a huge w if he finds an escanor right away without needing to spam in the channels for as long as he needs to fine while convincing the guy he has the pending trade with to hold onto the offer while he looks for a escanor right away and he can only do that if he sacrifices a diavolo because thats the quicker way
option 2, the diavolo user has a duped diavolo and is giving it for free becasue he knows his account is on the ban list for the upcoming ban wave)
im not really against it, but it will just create more problems/potential bugs for the game
Well yeah bugs would be inevitable but if there was no bugs would this be balanced is my questioning
fym duped diavolo 😭
you said trading a monarch escanor will give a monarch token which u can re monarch a new escanor for free with that token....
how u gonna talk abt trading like this not gonna harm the fuck out of vangaurds yk how many ppl can M and get vangaurds for free now sicne there's pity?
i don't know, not a single trading game when dupe was never invented in
even bf had one and it used to be the most popular one
aa had one
so did ad and als
this shit is not balance wtf
av will eventually have a dupe
Mushy. Listen carefully. I’m saying in a hypothetical situation where the trade is FAIR, EVEN THO IT ISNT, but if the trade is fair
thats so boring tho
that does tha teven mean
well the trade will never be fair , you are comparing the #1 highest demand unit to a unit who probably isnt even on the top 3 highest demand
like be for real
escanor only takes 4d to get
trading is fun bc of risks
low level players can get him too
safe trading is not the way
I don’t get it. If you have an extra copy of Escanor why would you trade a monarch Escanor then when you could trade a traitless Escanor. In the end you only have one monarch Escanor
U LITERALLY GETTING BACK A MONARCH BY GETTING VALUE U LOSING NO VALUE
HOW TF IS THAT FAIR
THATS A BUFF
I KNOW. I KNOW MUSHY, I’M SAYING IN A FANTASY WORLD WHERE THIS TRADE IS FAIR,
The other guy doesn’t get the monarch tho?
why do u want it to be fair tho
THE FACT THAT YOU CAN TRADE THE MONARCH ONE TO MONARCH ANOTHER DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE
ts lowk good
thats not the point gang
Uh. In the end you still have a monarch Escanor.
Let’s say you have 3 Escanor, one of them is a Monarch.
You could trade off the traitless Escanor and no tokens are given.
Or for some reason you could choose to trade monarch Escanor. You get refunded a monarch token for Escanor only and use it on another copy of your Escanor
What’s wrong with that?
In the end you still have an Escanor.
So….

Well?
so basically you still have one monarch?
Yeah
yk ur harming the value of that vangaurd right?
How…? Traits and vanguards are two different things
I genuinely don’t know how am I harming vanguard value…
you keep the monarch
thats the issue
Yeah. But you could’ve just traded the traitless Escanor
I mean if you for some reason chose to trade the monarch Escanor it’s still the same thing
then why didnt you do it in the world where you have 3 escanors
You still have a monarch Escanor if you have an extra copy
Don’t ask me Unstable chose to trade the monarch Escanor instead of traitless
In the end you still have the trait you grinded for
Also how am I harming the value of vanguard. I genuinely don’t know…
what is this
cuz ur able to have no downfall for a trade like that say u have a monarch escanor you trading that monarch to get the monarch token and u go for another one get another one to make it monarch and u can deadass keep going trying to get another one and another one and another one
you arent trading traits
only the units
what is this suggestion
im confused
confuddled
THATS IT
You didn’t even read it then.
Unit you had monarch on. If you trade it away you get a token monarch for the unit only.
basically, no drawbacks
dude
In the end you still only have one monarch Escanor tho?
The token is one time use
why are u traading ur monarchs away...
no no read it
Cause sometimes there is a trade offer too good to ignore
Also you keep your monarch as a token
For that unit only
did u say that in the suggestion?
then why would u lose trait on stat transfer
…
so use the unit you get to trade your old unit back with adds
so you want it to be even better for the vanguard player 😭😭😭😭
WHY DO I NEED TO SPECIFY THE TOKEN IS ONE USE????
if is a good trade there won't be a issue finding it
BRO
look
I HAD TO SPECIFY THE TOKEN IS ONE USE????
if u roll monarch on a character
ARE WE KIDDING
love spamming ts huh?
is token one time use
and then you trade again, and you get the token back
in the end you still have one single monarch
I think this bad idea becuz idk if token one time use so op monarch so trade so bad idea
but the trade will be too good
Is it one time use tho
what does this mean
yea u didnt
which you should lose
make the token one single global use
cuz your suggestion is making it seems u have a monarch always
idk 3 diavolos for 1 diavolo and kaguya
i will be the first one to use
one use yeh
horrid trade for the 3 diavolo player
but anyways
no shit
I know I didnt. I ddint think I need to specify that cause obv thats stupid spamming the token
but he keeps monarch!
you ARENT trading
yes but the person will do it if he gets profit
the 3 diavlo user
loooook.
there are only two reasons why people will take massive L trades
there will be NO monarch tokens
- they know they'll make profit from it
i changed it. I added the description token is one use
u need to say that if your tradign abt trading cuz am not saying your stupid but this suggestions channel got alot of stupid ppl
no bro no
YES
Jeez I didnt know thats what bothered you
you are NOT trading ur monarchs away.
thats what i was talking abt
mb mb...?
#1407964656663920701
u good
Bats, do you have any monarch units?
i want to use ur stuff as an example
why
just name me one of them thats limited
u might wana remake the suggestion cuz u already started off
bad
by not saying that one thing
erm sorry to burst ur bubble
goated monarch lineup
🤑
its fine its fine. LISTEN CAREFULL IN A HYPOTEHTICAL WORLD WHERE VSJW IS TRADABLE
OKAY?
I KNOW ITS NOT TRADABLE
JUST PRETEND ITS TRADABLE
oh okay thats fair
deadeye hercules destroy monarch hercules

my original idea was rlly bad
yea he/she gotta remake the suggestion
i didnt realize my original idea could lead to exploting traits
I dont wanna spam this suggestion
do yall think I should remake it
hmm
yep