#The Sukuna Situation
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lelouch
if my goat archer got a double evo I’ll allow it
Yes
Lelouch either gonna be peak or ass
If they make him a summon who can convert enemies and after certain time pass he come out in the mech
Peak
He gonna make enemies walk back into the place they came from
And make the mech do a ult but after the ult he can’t use mech again
eh i retract my statement, sukuna after familiar is top 7-15 maybe, not top 5-7 
Sukuna with familiar is rlly good
based on what
? so his worse then gojo? that can be possible
Can’t believe im calling sukuna good
Bring Ishtar back
No cause facts
yeah around 70k dps, his follow up only works the first time an enemy is cleaved so not realistic to double his dps but i’m also not sure if his 30% buffs himself either but yeah it’s better dps than gojo but gojo at least has time stop but they bother suffer from 1 hits and no debuff immunity
bring akaza in the meta🥀
the water tournaments
70k dps not including dot fyi
I got monarch on mine and he still kinda lacking with godly stats
why arent we including dot
and they bothh have stun immunity
gojo has full immunity
dot from fire is 20k, dot from bleed is like 17k after cleave
he doesnt its just stun
cosmic
where was this confirmed
btw
Is that with cleave buff
yes
we need: db Daima, shangri la, spy x family, csm, hells paradise, sakamoto, mashle, kaiju 8, undead unluck
Familiar
sukuna is just dps
I was joking 
i mean ig but its not really reliable since its got a 30 cd
and also 1 hit if shields
cleave isnt bleed
if shields sukuna can’t apply cleave
it is tho
hence why yhwach is even better
so he also can’t take care of shields
Buffs bleed
cleave turns sukunas 30% bleed into like 36% bleed i think
ok but he himself still doesnt apply bleed at upgrade 9 and beyond is what im getting at
cause it’s 30% + 20%
just mentioning recent animes
which honestly idc about
wouldnt attack 2 do that
6% buff woopie
Technically familiar makes him do attack 2
So
He puts bleed
i was wondering that, but ive seen no testers confirm that
Again
yeah but attack 2 is only applied if there are new enemies he can hit
we asked the tester
i dont think he even knows
💀
🦣
true
Y is it really good?
I been said this like 3 times once ppl get they hands on it they will be like wait this ain’t bad
who knows
they still gonna call it ass
the only problem is people rn are assuming he will be doing triple his dps cause 200% + follow ups but follow ups will only happen once per first time cleave on an enemy
somehow ppl did the opposite with gojo
if sukuna buffs himself then yes
Ohhh
anyway
its not like theres rlly a limited supply
Is his 2nd attack come or aoe ?
Cone
he just will do tripple his dps cuz +200% dmg
aoe
iykyk
full aoe
okarun upscale 
Bro he’s gonna reapply bleed in a aoe plus burn
yeah tho they assuming it’s 140k dps it’s only like 70k
same guy that nerfs himself
And make them weak to bleed
the wordings are too ambiguous to assume that the fua will apply bleed
sukunas dps rn is like 23k-26k
he would be to op if the didint
(coping)
well unless its the boss of a 15 wave mode he kinda does always do his follow ups
It says he follows up with attack to which is his bleed form so let’s assume that’s how it works they will have mutiple dots on them and weakness to 1 of em
we have so much ddd content left
Add a support that makes them take more burn dmg
you literally said "let's assume" 😭
isnt this just judar
that's ambiguity
yeah or unless enemies appear that have more hp than his dmg since his attack is 1 hit and cone, but there’s nothing besides inf rn that makes it a problem honestly
you wouldnt be assuming that were true if the wording made it clear
as long as new enemies are spawning he can keep hitting new enemies to fire off the follow ups
even if you have him target last half of his attacks will be full aoe
^
a 900k dmg nuke
whats the cd on it again
180s
^
it’s also not global 
its not?
its global cd
kaguya is only mapwide nuke
nerf sukuna he should never be good
bro did we not just hear the tester say kaguya is the only global range nuke
I’m talking about the domain
he is a fraud no matter which media he is in 🔥
sukuna nuke desc doesnt explicitly say in range, but its heavily implied
can’t use that either
unless you mean her nuke
it says there’s an active domain already
Oh I thought you said nuke couldn’t be used read that wrong mb
map wide nukes are way too op
true
only reason kaguya got it is cuz she constantly tps across the map
😭
Good thing it’s only on vanguard
but its blobkuna
Yall remember when kaguya nuke was local
acting like sukuna is that op 
with familiar his nuke is a pretty big chunk of dmg
a 900k dmg full map nuke can’t hurt 🙏
ye but still 3 min cd
They could just change it to world cutting slash and make that global
other mapwide nuke is 1 time use
900k-1.2mil
you are realistically using it only once per match
if it's 20 waves maybe 2 or 3
those are really op op
8
wtv u wanna call it
right before fuga he gets domain
he gets the 40% dmg and status immunity at upgrade 9 too
any idea how much it is to get the domain?
55.5k
what
😭
wrong body and arc
pretty sure they cant add new attacks
like from unlocking the nuke to being maxed it more than doubles sukuna dmg
but would still be insane if mapwide
cuz that counts as new content
and also makes it so gimicks like warhammer ittan just dont exist
and also thats extra work for the devs which means slower updates
js hoping next vanguard doesnt have another nuke
yeah this too
tybw soon
goku’s knocking
still so much fresh content to touch on
double evos can wait
goku getting quad evos
akaza knocking
ima make sure they glaze goku
Sukuna but he gains mahoraga in yuji’s body
in a world where copyright didnt exist🥀
only problem i have is that the tourney will end before you can get the sukuna familiar
nuh uh
next tournament is sukuna buff
trust
you get sukuna fam day before tourney ends
😭
Idk if I calculated right but with all buffs he gets from himself and familir and no monarch he does 343k
I think I did the math wrong idk
from the domain?
oh yeah you can get it like 19 hours before it ends
apparently kazi said the same thing, something along the lines of not being sure why they didnt want them spreading the reason
more like 23 hours and 30 minutes before but yea
Domain plus familir buffs
its because sukuna would break the game
hes too good
yea that sounds about right
sure man sure
I’ll add monarch now and that’s if he has godly dmg
sad we not getting a yuji evo
anyway goku vanguard next right
1,029,240 with all buffs and monarch and godly dmg
did someone say 50k swaps for the quest
LOL
Allows for a Cid Vanguard atleast
how is it only 1M if no monarch is 300k
😭
we’re good
dont do this
itadori with all his buffs
But like Cid though

cid vanguard
Like "I am atomic"
I have no clue I did x3.0 for monarch
💀
Unless that was the wrong number to use
imagine he could copy any unit active passive
It has a nice ring to it doesn't it
"Cid Vanguard"
Oh got you lemme redo the math
maybe
so does saber vanguard but look at it now
id prefer something more interesting
gyro vanguard >
imagine if he coppied the dot of a random unit in range
oh HELL no
is that fire
as for ideas i have none
i could see this
choi upscale
!!
Saber vanguard 🤮
i can see it haunt my nightmares in the dumbass tournaments where yuta was meta
fuck als
We need yuta
yuta so cool man
mostly yuji
Gilg vanguard all the way
but yuta too
but theres also just so many other amazing jjk characters
that couldve been amazing units
he gotta be obtained again first
we need sjw ultimate vanguard evo
I sold my Gilg Monarch
I didn’t add the 40% that’s why I was off
why
Haha!
He had max godly stats
lets hope 8.5 is cool
we should add this
to keep vsjw meta
forever
btw
fate part 5🔥
and the quest isnt lame (if it is a quest)
8,5 is worldliness right?
ye
yes
So Yugi
Yugioh
every .5 is wl, every .0 is free 1k rrs for kamui
i wouldnt mind one or two
Do yall think k the anniversary update will have a vanguard
no
Does sukuna remain mid yet again 
Good support maybe
Don't know about that one
I don’t have monarch sukuna should I still get the thing or just get rerolls
Won't the units be freely available?
yes
unlikely
like almost 0% chance
update 9.5 is vanguard
U can calc his dps right now no?
trust me
I mean they have spoken about making a mascot character for the game
Just x3 it
its 0 for being ass
theres a ss somewhere
im too lazy to find it
The extra hit is a one time thing
And it would be weird if the mascot of anime VANGUARDS wasn’t a vanguard
one time per new enemy in his aoe
its every new enemy
no?
yeah see
well one time per attack if theres a new enemy in his aoe each attack
what type of monster did yall make
which isnt even hard to do
the bigger issue is having him not one shot
Whos the mascot of AV
ty top
a dps demon who doesnt do shit against wave 15 bosses🔥
shirou
ok but being fr
excellent
where are witch and king gifs
the mascot is clearly sjw
Ight last number I got is 1,372,320 his bleed from this would be 411,696 before cleave buff burn would be the same after cleave it would be 823,392
i dmed sk to salt
Its pretty hard to do
and witch is already uploaded
ong
new enemies isnt
how does cleave double the bleed dmg
give me
also if thats for his domain, his domain doesnt do bleed
make it do bleed to balance him out more
Hitting new enemies consistently when your aoe isnt great os
When you add x the percent you have to use decimal for
Form
His domain doesn't bleed😡
Attack 2 will from what I’m assuming
Ruru you cant calc for shit stick to lb runs 😡
whats his ending aoe
isnt it cone?
Make him inflict bleed+burn
cone
how wide
Like 50 degree cone
Doesn't be lose bleed for burn?
thats not hard man
Not that good yo
😭
ye
or js set him to last
yes
and he keeps doing full aoe
as he hits new enemies
or js get griffith/guts demons
I’m thinking cause he’s doing a previous attack he gets bleed back for that
80 degree cone btw
Thats prolly the way then or smth
Maybe he should be able to tp anywhere on the map
only issue is he might one shot and not apply cleave
too unbalance
it still applies it
We need the familiar to see
This is t limited tho right
its like escanor and his burn
no
Cause I might just get rerolls
the debuff
But if that dmg I calculated is right sukuna bout to be meta for a bit
gojo will still outlast sukuna anyways 💔
It’s been a debuff
20% more bleed dmg
so new
Uh
BRO
its just dogshit
like purgatory flames
I was there for update 0
average vanguard cid wanter
alr bro
he was upd 1.1
They weren’t in the trenches with us
rengoku had a chance to be meta again, just for hibana to exist
💔
i sure do love a 30% buff to the 30% of my units dmg
aka a 4% overall dmg buff
But like the finger grind was a pain back then
Bro they did rengoku like the movie did
That part
Who is also outclassed by dark mage
he came out with boss rush
so uh just do boss rush
gojo was the pain to evo not sukuna
hebana is better with escanor than judar
Bro sukuna and dark mage together
hibana*
sukuna will be the #2 second bet boss killer
if he has no cd
right
Ohhh😭
its over
Wow I might as well be newgen
💀
How did I forget that
easier to use + buffs dmg from fire units + reapplies burn
judar u have to fill up his meter and allat
MATTER FACT PUT A FAMILIAR IN FOR BUU WANNA TALK ABOUT SOMEONE THEY DID REAL DIRTY WAS KID BUU
i still remember sukuna boss rush coming out cuz i had to make a guide to help the noobs beat it
sukuna got a nuke too
not bad then
😭
isnt cleave like 3s
perm no?
good
Yea but I don’t feel like doing spring portals
😭
it's probably no cd as long he just constantly hitting enemies in hisr ange only
ehhhh idk
basically just sukuna does double dps if theres constantly new enemies coming into his range
Can you blame me
a bit
Ok buddy
So what about
what was up with their weird let’s make swap units I get they wanted their cid to be different but swap is just trash
Guts Familiar?
better than gojo
Arc is outclassed now
yeah ik
Escanor familiar update 11?
tanjiro swap where he becomes akaza
when wasnt arc outclassed
Nose is more then enough for guts
swap aint that bad
its cool
True
this is why we clash right here✌️
Not for goku
what
900 swaps
13
need to wait for vfx to finish
Why is everyone asking for a Goku Vanguard
iirc
so u can swap
Give it upp
thats a huge nerf imo
bro i hate how they do a concept for 2 updates then never mention it ever again
Bro make it 7
well goku is just
Or 10
power crept now
Make the goku vanguard require 900 swaps btw
fr its so annoying it should be akaza
😭
I’ll be fine with 10
oh that
yea inf runners ruin it for everyone once again🥀
We don't need more DBZ 😡
wouldnt the follow up trigger cleave, which triggers another follow up? 😭
That's nothing
cleave lasts forever
Matter fact where my kaguya title
and it says when cleave si first appliedd
it is cause it has to be the max spirit bomb
Gyro and Johnny familiars
wl players single handedly got kaguya nerfed
🦣
if new enemies keep walking in
Fair fair
Just kamui
yea but who outside of wl is even kaguya nuking on placement
Nobody else wanted that shit
lol
me when her nuke was local

They prob won't add familiars to unob units right
I wanna get monkey king but I hate worldlines
true it wasnt a big change icl
Realistically who is the next evo vanguard
yea yea i get it we forgot to make her nuke 1 time use when she dropped
So like strictly old banned units and
They not hard just annoying
just get escanor
CSM
I’m going to assume ichigo
honestly
Madara
Man I’m a mobile player right now my pc power source died on me so I can’t afk
vanguard evolves should be older units like release units- like obito
at what point does av have no more passives to do for units
never
obito deserves to be in the trash
theres enough to the point where we can just reuse stuff
It’s not its anniversary
or just make simpler ones
For bleach upd they should have did 2 part soul reapers first then Quincy
can we get more effects
special passives like choi
can we add the menos mount
Says who
valk in gen 2
choi’s passives so cool
Nel mount
who even applied frostburn again
n o
Karem 🐐
karem the lag maker
And uh
Banner
Kaguya and the fire force guy
frost burn so…
Ew
😭
No
No
Fall
He would prob get a familiar tho
make him do 10x damage
Add wonder of u
Familiar in 2028
Love train requiem
d4c over heaven ofc🔥
🦤
We fumbled on the anniversary
maybe
Could u imagine a
project jojo stands
what would wou even be? tbh als did him terribly-
we already know soft and wet is anni
uhhh
planes
Fr?
and knight from hollow knight
BRO I STAND BY RUKIA SHOULD HAVE WON
akaza
Soft and Wet annni made by who?
batu
wasnt even top 3🥀
Pyseph making knight
new dev
Ohh
we getting fate too
i love seeing this man🥹
where u get this info from
The Realm Rampage dev
He’s not
And of course
why is vigil in the timestop section
and also posted the bubbles in sub announcement
like a week ago
Pyseph sent it in general too
Dio over heaven
Which dev
batu
Batu
batu
Does more dmg to ts
So heres the real question
i think kaguya deserves a buff
Uh purgatory?
whos making dio oh
Oh yeahcrengoku
rengoku
But wou wasn’t put on the anniversary poll because they had plans for him
cuz the filter works a lil dumb
She does not
it just filters based on if its in their passives iirc
Maybe its time for a new one
yeah prolly cuz a dev already chose
did developers accidently leak next update? what is light for
no
Why would they add wou in an update and not josuke part 8
but who knows
rengoku is never getting replaced
does hiei even appear in black flame yet
these two NEED NEED NEEED NEEED NEEEEEDD DOUBLE EVOS
tf is that
The community soldd
those who know
what would hawk do
what is infinite s
😭
light??? might be like stun kinda
idk what unit
johnny
oh
it could possibly be for tho
But he alr exist
I think
They could have cooked with gin as a bleed with inf range
developer leaking update
no game is adding gin 💔
both of those you just said already exist
noob
idk
Aa did
Can't Gin one tap
gin would be cool but lets be real
Like in aba
Can’t argue with that
hes not being added to av
Erm the passive is that he has bleed
hebanos genuinely the best character in the game
he can get 1 tapped🔥
We should add AV units based on ABA
💔💔
he lost to plot
even tho it made sense
but still
He’d probably have execute like gil
aura farmed so hard
gin passive is going to be place him far in the back
just to be irrelevant
If they are adding josuke part 8 in the anniversary
gin so cool man
STARK VANGUARD
Haha!
And they have plans for wou
yes i want aba chan and for her to be doing 1 qt w 1 second spa
infinite range thin line🔥
That means wou vanguard confirmed 🤯
we’re doomed
astdx ass aoe
mihawk
😭
Tiktok girl aoe
astd asta aoe next
😭😭
what even is his aoe
We don’t need more jojo and I love jojo
That was lowk cool tho
like 12 lines that come out in all directions
Everyone stay riding jojo
We have no good jojo units in the game
Can we get jotaro
functionally terrible
No
Even though it never hit anything
Bro we have
what gojo purple should be 🔥
What's Astas aoe?
We had good ones they died so quick
Isnt technically reimu and sakuya the asta aoem
that is what it is
for his follow up anyways
the disperse modifier is kinda cool, but it coulda been a unit passive ngl
The sbr characters weren’t even meta when they came out
yea sorta
12 lines
make the unit single target but 50% chance to ricochet and hit all enemies in range
or something
😭
or nearby enemies
Like you added dio to add esdeath who did ts better
That made no sense to me
Or
ye, but its only for leaks and has a 20sec cd 
i never used asta, i assume at best 1 hit per enemy per attack
Middd
0 per hit
real
wow
Now chat
Did av do cid dirty
Ishtar AOE is unique isn't it?
just realized
Yes or no
And it's viable too
yes
we are never getting a good kite unit
I think
mortar monkey? yea
ishtar aoe is cool
Honestly they add black clover Julius gotta be vanguard or a 1 placement secret
Aa kite was cool when it released
What
aa made him ass even when he first came out🥀

oh nvm
Mappa
im thinking of erza
That’s why
it was cool but he wasnt good
Aa did ace dirty
😭
Whatt
the different versions on evo was kinda cool
i didnt even play when he was out
but iirc the low spa one was js the best
He was dog water
he was
Worst burn unit
too bad they had no uniqueness and one was way better than the others and it was pure rng and the best form was mid at best
ass
Anyone still asking for Tokyo Ghoul update
Astd kite was weird, iirc it was mostly rng
yeah 😭
me
SAO?
sao can wait
I liked how they did lucy
they gave gon full aoe hybrid good dps
and kite was mid as fuck
she summoned right
Hey g money is it possible to make sukuna and gojo’s unit border background colors the same as their familiar’s of the familiar is equipped
*if
Yea and each one had a different effect
why change sukuna border its so aura
Sukuna border is alr unique isn't it?
lol oh god
Add borders to all vanguards
this?
Add orange piccolo
The red box
ALL VANGUARDS deserve it
Yes
escanor borders should be fire so ppl pcs burn
what color would it even be
still dk why sukuna the only one with borders
cuz it was cool then devs realized it takes alot of time to make them🥀
Wow
no way it takes thatt long
😭
Will we ever get more
sukuna's familiar is a finger
what color would that be
we can only hope
Bruh
Man give hakura rin a familiar
Ok
Sukuna the only one with borders, all that to get cancelled from another evo
ITS A FINGER?
She a og
iirc salter slow icon took like 4 updates to add
Foo
I want you to go the the gojo event and click on the familiar itself
does it not show in the event shop?
How is he wearing a finger?
oh god
i knew i wasnt tweaking
Aye she’s our first bp unit
Doesn't Gojo wear his glasses
Its the same finger as the drop
Or give her a evo
i genuinely didnt know salter slow had a icon until like a month ago
same
isnt the icon the snowflake
That makes her reduce upg cost by 10% for units in range
kinda looks like unknown
G go to the gojo event and click on the glasses
oh
What happened to Shrine, is he still studying
Btw
im farming sukuna quest gimme a sec
😔
prolly
He's never returning
Grrrrr
60rrs for 20m a day is kinda crazy if you ask me
i guess so
I needed him to prove why Cid>Yhwach
He turned into a familiar
For farms
can we stop glazing ass
peak familiar
I need to finish my vsjw quest
cid is not touching yhwach man
I’m at 45
By the time you finish, he will be alr powercrept by the knight 💔
this is why sakura is better than cid
Rework sjw familiar
oh right
the knight can be a summoner too
....
LOL
let belu rot in hell
I FORGOT
It's never coming
💔
The food got cold...
Nty
this is why cid is ass
and DELTA
Bro ima just put sjw on my team with kaguya they have synergy
Specially delta
Delta is meta though
Who told you that
Inf range is inf range
meta for food
Wouldn’t it be funny if one of the anniversary units is the roaring knight
Uh
If only had a name like, idk... sigma...
crit demon
If that’s the case my boy uryu would be meta
💔
Uryu is beans
would toby even allow them to use roaring knight
The roaring fraud
Yeah
He said uryu is trash
Get him
He is though
If they asked yea probably
Technically uryu inf buffs on energy drain stages
Now what would the shiny be
Ok
Does anyone still have Dante in their load out?
And has no cap on buff
lol
tho he got replaced by skull knight
I mean true
💀
Put nose on kaguya and put skull on your team you’ll have 2 units tping the map
I wonder what roaring knight shiny would be
a clown
Who is knight
True
Is that a unit coming
no
Jockington
Demon slayer update when
soon
Can we all agree goblin slayer shiny is tough
one of the best


