#Challenge Board (Choose your own difficulty)
burnt flame
shut gyro
Eren's EX was specifically meant to be a super generous jump
mild rose
i get your point, but i think the solution would be to give players accessibility to those boosted rewards without making it feel forced or to difficult. i feel like the aot ex stage failed because it pushed you into playing one very specific way, and the huge % increase on eren drop chance made the normal stage basically pointless to grind, and when people realized how hard it was without the aot units they got mad because they wanted to use their own units and strats.
the idea with this board isn’t to make stages ridiculously hard, but to let players play around with different modifiers, find team comps they have fun playing with, and still get rewarded for it. it’s more about adding replayability and small challenges, not punishing people.
obviously what i suggested is just a rough base and not fully balanced, but i think with the right tuning av could have a lot of replayability into the gameplay with a system like this
like i’ve said a a lot of times in this post, the point is that players could either pick a lot of easy modifiers or just a few hard ones, but at the end they’re choosing modifiers based on their strongest units (or units that counter those modifiers). it’s not about being forced to pick certain units because of the modifiers, it’s about using the units you already have that are strong against the modifiers you are selecting to play against
maybe yall wont add a system like this, but I hope devs find a way to increase the difficulty of the game and not make a lot of people mad because they cant handle it
shut gyro
I think the other problem is just.... AV doesn't have hard modifiers to deal with lmao
mild rose
they can create a lot of creative ones tbh
shut gyro
The things that are hard are mutators, and they aren't designed to really be mixed too much, like the case for PvP death pushes
Sturdy so awful we couldn't even make it fit into PvP
mild rose
The things that are hard are mutators, and they aren't designed to really be mix...
those can be added aswell, but when selected the bar would fill by a lot, so you dont have to also choose a bunch of modifiers
silver bramble
The things that are hard are mutators, and they aren't designed to really be mix...
add love train to pvp for balancing
this will fix pvp
mild rose
and also could add debuffs into the difficulty selector, like a stun that activates every 5 attacks
another one that could make all your units attack random enemies instead of the first one
disable certain passives
a modifier that disables all cleanses
devs could make all kinds of modifiers, and if some end up being too hard or not that fun, they could always adjust them or just rotate them out.
like, something like this could create a lot of different starts against different sets of modifiers/mutators
making people not just using their meta/monarch units and have a more diverse team
for example, nobody uses toji, but if you add the shields modifier then he can be useful, and since he bypases all shields you could add the max amount of them to the bar
holy yap
also, since the bar would have a max, there’s no reason to stack every single modifier. you could try to play that way if you want the challenge, but it wouldn’t give you any extra rewards beyond the cap.
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zinc belfry
aint no way
terse scroll
mild rose
pale gulch
bump
zinc belfry
this is actually a very solid point
like when Monarch is the best trait
you know it will be Monarch or nothing
nobody wants to stick with Solar/Deadeye/Ethereal
but tbh, this game needs a challenge, not only situational stages where you need to use unit X
but a stage where you often need to use unit X,Y and Z
i feel like in AV if i got the recent monarch units the game will be easy to the point its boring
pallid hollow
why cant u just cater to both
don’t make the difference from EX and regular stage massive but make them both vary in difficulty
keen fox
We need an actually stage where it is hard but optional. An end game mode where it is hard but optional yet rewarding.
Depends on developers how they can implement this mode. Since this is only a blueprint, they can polish this more. But yeah, i want this game mode. Mostly end game mode
zinc belfry
We need an actually stage where it is hard but optional. An end game mode where ...
it needs to be level locked or something
bc newbies will tantrum abt not being aboe to do it
shut gyro
why cant u just cater to both
Because it is incredibly hard to cater to both. Make the difference too small, and the players who can handle the optional difficulty will either feel the mode is too difficult for the boosted rewards, or that it's just pointless anyways. Make the difference too big, and you render the other content basically obsolete.
it's VERY hard to make optional content actually feel optional. Because players want to optimize their time spent. Their effort spent.
Optional content doesn't feel very optional when it is definitively the best way to grind
pallid hollow
Because it is *incredibly* hard to cater to both. Make the difference too small,...
Cause you guys suck at balancing it
why does berserk act 4 give more evo mats for each character than acts 1-3
😭??
nova prawn
why does berserk act 4 give more evo mats for each character than acts 1-3
The berserk upd was just weird icl
Never understood why it got 100k players
shut gyro
why does berserk act 4 give more evo mats for each character than acts 1-3
Because it's meant to be a harder stage that actually rewards the player more for doing it?
What would be the point of EX and being traitless if it didn't give more rewards
pallid hollow
What would be the point of EX and being traitless if it didn't give more rewards...
Ur making the rest of the stages pretty much useless at that point
shut gyro
Okay, and?
You can't have it both ways
complain that other stages are useless
complain that EX isn't worth doing
It goes one of two ways
And I think the players would generally agree that the first option is a worthy sacrifice to have an EX that's well worth grinding
pallid hollow
>complain that other stages are useless
>complain that EX isn't worth doing
It g...
Cause the difference in ex and regular stages is too high
shut gyro
Then what's the point of doing EX?
pallid hollow
No reason for a 65 clear difference in ex stages for a unit
pallid hollow
Then what's the point of doing EX?
To get it done faster
shut gyro
So then the other stages aren't worth doing
If EX is faster, then it's the one worth doing
shut gyro
Because they're actively testing things out to see what works well and what doesn't.
shut gyro
GG EX? bad design.
AoT EX? Better design, but still very clearly flawed
Berk EX? Much better design, actually worth playing, but not if players want to deal with traitless and a wormhole boss.
I think players will generally agree that the stages that reward them better are the ones worth playing and grinding regardless
pallid hollow
GG EX? bad design.
AoT EX? Better design, but still very clearly flawed
Berk EX?...
Berserk is fine but it just makes the first 3 acts useless
shut gyro
There really isn't much a way to make them not useless outside of like... Taking out all the evo materials and just making EX better for Silly Fairy drop rates and that's it?
But even in that instance, it still leads to complaints. EX has all the materials for player convenience sake, and I'm fairly certain a majority of the playerbase prefer the convenience at the cost of the other 3 stages being less ideal to run instead of making EX just one familiar drop and that's it.
zinc belfry
GG EX? bad design.
AoT EX? Better design, but still very clearly flawed
Berk EX?...
berk ex isnt hard enough'
it is very rewarding
shut gyro
it is very rewarding
Which I think players prefer more. Out of all the “hard mode” stages, it’s probably the most well received
zinc belfry
ye
obviously the majority will ask for more rewards and less difficult
the thing is
this suggestion isnt focused in the 70k active players that are grinding for their first evos/secrets/vanguards
this suggestion is for people like me which the only purpose in playing the game is giving devs money and time
bc me as a release player, got literally 0 content to spent time with
actually play
not talking abt afk 24/7
zinc belfry
Which I think players prefer more. Out of all the “hard mode” stages, it’s proba...
you can say tournaments and lb inf is content to people like me, which isnt wrong but i wont accept it as a good answer
pallid hollow
Tournament and LB are such a pain 😭
pallid hollow
just spam rumbling!
zinc belfry
sometimes i wonder what content in the earth will ever use my 26 monarchs
shut gyro
I don’t count lbs as content
pallid hollow
sometimes i wonder what content in the earth will ever use my 26 monarchs
We need higher wave content
shut gyro
There’s just nothing interesting especially when over half of them are dictated through traits
pallid hollow
Everything being 15-20 limits a lot
zinc belfry
idk if higher wave is the answer tho, bc nobody wants to spend 30 minutes + at 50 waves
but ig it would be a cool addition
pallid hollow
higher waves but they can obviously scale them faster
like dandadan rift ur sitting there for 45 seconds in wave 1 watching the enemies walk for 0 reason
zinc belfry
There’s just nothing interesting especially when over half of them are dictated ...
the game is feeling like a simulator
you grind untill you catch up
so you start grinding for the next update
get everything from the update
then start grinding again waiting for a new update
pallid hollow
so you start grinding for the next update
Events slightly changed that
zinc belfry
i mean, its a roblox game after all, idk why im expecting these type of quality.
zinc belfry
Events slightly changed that
they are in fact one of the coolest thing they did in a time
pallid hollow
yeah
zinc belfry
i feel like they could make more with Seasonal Events (Summer, Spring, Halloween, Winter)
but they are basically a different currency to get an 0.005% unit
every atd do it, but av could be different imo
bc they are selling their game as a high quality ATD anyway
mild rose
bump
cursive stirrup