orchid summit
Vanguard units are supposed to be the pinnacle of the game since vanguards is literally in the name of the game.
Wukong “a world lines unit” is better than every vanguard unit besides kaguya. Which is absurd.
Diavalo is damage crept, passive crept, He’s not a good unit. Weather report is better than him. Which is insane.
Gogeta Is way too expensive for the amount of damage he’s outputting, when someone like Wukong can do 3x his damage.
Please just buff these vanguard units.
errant mauve
how is jin mori better then escanor and vsjw?
hot belfry
old girder
real talk, gogeta > jin mori
mental marsh
real talk, gogeta > jin mori
🤔
old girder
Cheap, good damage, and the global tp is a lot tbh
mental marsh
Cheap, good damage, and the global tp is a lot tbh
eh hes really good but mori is better
old girder
I'd probably never use mori 
mental marsh
I'd probably never use mori <:pepeLmao:684726305614594070>
real talk, when is diavolo getting an external buff
gogeta keeps getting them with units like mr satan kaguya and spirit dispenser while diavolo is rotting
make dio oh buff jojo units by 200%
viral wedge
I'd probably never use mori <:pepeLmao:684726305614594070>
rifts
gusty jetty
Vanguard units are supposed to be the pinnacle of the game since vanguards is li...
Wukong overrated
old girder
real talk, when is diavolo getting an external buff
gogeta keeps getting them wi...
See we would do that if diavolo existed
But he’s not real
He’s just a myth made up by the og players
Collectively gaslighting the playerbase 
past moat
Vanguard units are supposed to be the pinnacle of the game since vanguards is li...
W rage bait
flint forum
both are very good
but i do think mori is better
but in most cases u will use gogeta over him
or well
some cases not most
past moat
gogetas pretty goated
viral wedge
I’d still just rather use kaguya and cid
then you wouldnt get mvp
past moat
like when you already can beat 99% of the content within the game with all of these characters i dont understand why youd need to buff them
gg ex is literally the only thing these characters can not beat
and thats fine
old girder
then you wouldnt get mvp
okay and
orchid summit
Swear ppl can never have their own thoughts
Be your own person
Atleast some ppl here agree
errant mauve
how is jin mori better then escanor and vsjw?
...
past moat
Swear ppl can never have their own thoughts
this is a suggestion channel
youre saying this would improve the game
but it wouldnt in all honesty
past moat
Atleast some ppl here agree
no one does ✌️
mental marsh
...
because jin mori dps higher than vsjw and escanor, jin mori is stronger
dps>>>>>>passives & aoe & cost
past moat
dps>>>>>>passives & aoe & cost
get this man a true
kind spade
Vanguard units are supposed to be the pinnacle of the game since vanguards is li...
escanor is already op, why they should buff him
old girder
the rewards are buns without mvp
not really, they're pretty fine
viral wedge
i don’t agree
orchid summit
Am I getting shamed or is this constructive criticism
wind cypress
What
past moat
like when you already can beat 99% of the content within the game with all of th...
critiscm
itd be overtuning units that can already solo most of the game
wind cypress
Jin Mori has good dps but requires you to have a team made around buffs
Vsjw and kaguya can be played on any team
Same with Escanor
past moat
itd be overtuning units that can already solo most of the game
and within their newer easy content philosophy, theyre gonna be way more overtuned
wind cypress
Gogeta still has a top 5 highest dps in the game
Has basically inf range
And isn’t expensive
Diavolo was released in update like 1.5 ofc he won’t be good
He’s still a decent support tho
orchid summit
Gogeta still has a top 5 highest dps in the game
I’m sorry but no he doesn’t
near sorrel
gogeta and diavolo need buffs but sjw kaguya and escanor are fine
lime vale
wukong isnt better than vsjw
wind cypress
gogeta and diavolo need buffs but sjw kaguya and escanor are fine
Gogeta doesn’t need a buff atm
near sorrel
Gogeta doesn’t need a buff atm
wind cypress
He’s monarch reliant which is annoying but he’s still good
Very high dps and decent cost
near sorrel
theres no reason for any secrets to be better than gogeta lets be real
dawn briar
gogeta will get buffed when hes fallen off
past moat
gogeta and diavolo need buffs but sjw kaguya and escanor are fine
"gogeta needs buffs!"
dawn briar
gogeta is still useable
wind cypress
Kaguya out dps?
orchid summit
He’s so expensive for his amount of dps
orchid summit
"gogeta needs buffs!"
wind cypress
Please stop talking
orchid summit
Why is a world line unit better
buoyant harbor
bro saw the jin mori video of him solo gg ex stage and instantly made it suggestion
near sorrel
"gogeta needs buffs!"
wow you completed a stage using gogeta when you also have a monarch vsjw what a surprise
buoyant harbor
wind cypress
Omg this unit has high dps with 8 buff units!!!!
orchid summit
wow you completed a stage using gogeta when you also have a monarch vsjw what a ...
I’m saying
past moat
wow you completed a stage using gogeta when you also have a monarch vsjw what a ...
gogeta actually carried because of instant transmission
orchid summit
Omg this unit has high dps with 8 buff units!!!!
💀
wind cypress
You do realize his whole thing is that he has high dps
He brings nothing else other than dps
near sorrel
gogeta actually carried because of instant transmission
good ability but he could just use a damage buff thats all he needs
wind cypress
And NEEDS
orchid summit
No unit support is making gogeta do even close to 1m
wind cypress
Buffers
wind cypress
No unit support is making gogeta do even close to 1m
Wow maybe because the best buffers are the aot unit and gogeta is a dbz?
past moat
good ability but he could just use a damage buff thats all he needs
he doesnt NEED anything. theres not a single thing he cant beat besides gg ex
near sorrel
all vanguards except diavolo and gogeta can reach 500k+ extremely easily
wind cypress
Wukong can do it with his summons bro
You do realize you need to sell wukong for his clones to do insane dmg)
And it’s not inf?
near sorrel
he doesnt NEED anything. theres not a single thing he cant beat besides gg ex
the problem is he feels more like a secret than a vanguard when you combine him to other vanguards
past moat
all vanguards except diavolo and gogeta can reach 500k+ extremely easily
vsjw doesnt reach 500k if we're talking about raw dps
near sorrel
he doesnt feel like a vanguard
wind cypress
all vanguards except diavolo and gogeta can reach 500k+ extremely easily
Dps wise?
orchid summit
You do realize I can name 15 units better than Diavalo mind you he’s a vanguard unit
wind cypress
No they can’t
orchid summit
the problem is he feels more like a secret than a vanguard when you combine him ...
Thank you
near sorrel
orchid summit
His passives are so weak bro
wind cypress
You do realize Gogeta does 2 attacks right?
near sorrel
His passives are so weak bro
gogeta passives are solid
wind cypress
Not 1
orchid summit
His damage passive takes so long to build
wind cypress
His dmg is always x2 the stat
near sorrel
You do realize Gogeta does 2 attacks right?
are we talking about monarch??
wind cypress
are we talking about monarch??
No unit can reach 500k without monarch you idiot
lime vale
i think they only buff gogeta needs is him to be cheaper hes too expensive
orchid summit
Highball with a ton of buffs his damage is getting too is maybe 350-400k damage
That’s every buff
near sorrel
No unit can reach 500k without monarch you idiot
thats not true
wind cypress
thats not true
Please tell me a single one
orchid summit
No duplicate passive
past moat
the problem is he feels more like a secret than a vanguard when you combine him ...
so? all vanguards can beat 99% of the game anyway
dawn briar
No unit can reach 500k without monarch you idiot
Skull knight can with his +9000 dmg passive
near sorrel
Please tell me a single one
my ragna hit that clearly a few months ago 
dawn briar
skull knight meta
orchid summit
so? all vanguards can beat 99% of the game anyway
Diavalo can’t solo a lot bro
wind cypress
This community doesn’t even play the game bro
orchid summit
Your defending gogeta so bad
wind cypress
Diavalo can’t solo a lot bro
Diavolo is also a year old
orchid summit
What about Diavalo?
past moat
Diavalo can’t solo a lot bro
dont talk about diavolo as if you have him
orchid summit
Nah nah
wind cypress
HES A YEAR OLD
past moat
Stop making excuses and make a good point
they dont need buffs is my point
orchid summit
he still has the 2nd highest placement dmg btw
It’s actually Vegito but ok
near sorrel
why would you not want him buffed 😭
wind cypress
which is exactly why he needs a buff
He already got buffed and is the 2nd highest placement dps
orchid summit
Diavalo has such a horrible cone, horrid ability
wind cypress
It’s actually Vegito but ok
ARE YOU AN IDIOT
dawn briar
cone?
orchid summit
How is weather reports passive better than a vanguards ability 😭
orchid summit
ARE YOU AN IDIOT
Vegito upgrade 0 monarch does 70-90k 💀
orchid summit
VEGITO NEEDS YOU TO MAX A UNIT BEFORE THAT
Still placement?
wind cypress
This guy just looks at the wiki
past moat
Still placement?
its not a placement unit
orchid summit
You said placement 💀😭
past moat
it needs a maxed out unit
dawn briar
Vegito also requires like 15 swaps and a lot of money
orchid summit
Than be more specific?
😭
Be more specific??
You said placement, when Vegito is placed his damage is 70k…
Did we lose the plot
wind cypress
Still placement?
You not getting vegito out before wave 8 you idiot
past moat
You said placement, when Vegito is placed his damage is 70k…
that doesnt count at all
dawn briar
wind cypress
You don’t PLACE DOWN vegito
dawn briar
Give me your energy
orchid summit
Like I said be more specific 💀
Anime vanguard players after the so called best units in the game are outclassed by mythic units
past moat
?????????????????????????
dawn briar
I’m about to cry
wind cypress
A YEAR OLD vanguard unit btw
past moat
again id get a buff if they couldnt even beat most of the recent stages
but
THEY CAN
glass shoal
See we would do that if diavolo existed
nah
glass shoal
all vanguards except diavolo and gogeta can reach 500k+ extremely easily
diavolo can hit 500k im ps
near sorrel
He already got buffed and is the 2nd highest placement dps
is placement dps really an excuse for having extremely underwhelming dps for a vanguard unit
past moat
it feels underwhelming because powercreep exists 
not because it was underwhelming when it came out
glass shoal
not because it was underwhelming when it came out
diavolo was def unerwhelmig when he came out
past moat
that is unfortunate i wont lie
but to make a unit like him far more competent he'll just need a rework or insane amounts of damage and i just dont see that happening
dawn briar
He was a good flex unit
past moat
yea thats literally what pyseph said he was for
dawn briar
Yea
crisp dock
it feels underwhelming because powercreep exists <:T_Android_SideEye:12932363790...
cant really ask for something to be meta forever
crisp dock
thats like asking for a igris buff just because people used to go 300 matches without getting him
crisp dock
thats like asking for a igris buff just because people used to go 300 matches wi...
this happened alot back in the day
past moat
cant really ask for something to be meta forever
its unfortunate these units arent more like ultras from DBL, them being limited insanely damages their longevity
dawn briar
Igris got nerfed so it was the opposite
crisp dock
its unfortunate these units arent more like ultras from DBL, them being limited ...
id rather if vanguards just kept being like diavolo on release
diavolo was very niche and wasnt required unless you wanted to do lb stuff
wind cypress
diavolo was def unerwhelmig when he came out
He was NEEDEd for leaderboards but ok
dawn briar
Yea he was meta for lb
past moat
#makemorequestvanguards
glass shoal
He was NEEDEd for leaderboards but ok
thats litearlly it
crisp dock
id rather if vanguards just kept being like diavolo on release
gogeta was fine for me, but vsjw and kaguya was back to back terrible balancing
wind cypress
is placement dps really an excuse for having extremely underwhelming dps for a v...
They really can’t do anything else. The problem he has is not a star power creep but passives, they are just too basic and trash. It would need them to revamp how it works to make him a good unit which just takes time out of working on future updates
wind cypress
thats litearlly it
Idk man a unit being detrimental for endgame seems pretty important
near sorrel
They really can’t do anything else. The problem he has is not a star power creep...
i would be fine and i think many others would be fine delaying an update by a day at the very most to help some of these worse vanguard units stay relevant
glass shoal
Idk man a unit being detrimental for endgame seems pretty important
but useless in almost every other form of content?
near sorrel
it literally just makes sense for vanguard units to be good
glass shoal
that is underwhelmign
crisp dock
cant believe someone in the balancing team presented the devs with the idea of a unit which could get the unknown modifier, tp to enemies and deal good damage with mini nukes in the entire map was a good idea, and its even more unbelievable the devs saw this and were like "hell yeah"
glass shoal
vanguards wouldtn be such a big problem if they werent limited
BUT NOOOOO
we need FOMO
near sorrel
fomo is how these shitty little tower defense games stay getting players
wind cypress
i would be fine and i think many others would be fine delaying an update by a da...
Yeah but wasting that time on a unit that barely anyone has seems odd. He’s already the rarest and is worth the most so it wouldn’t make sense to buff him
glass shoal
fomo is how these shitty little tower defense games stay getting players
we had players for VSJW and he wasnt even limited
dawn briar
because thats sjw
near sorrel
Yeah but wasting that time on a unit that barely anyone has seems odd. He’s alre...
hes not intended to be a model for value hes a whole vanguard unit 😭
glass shoal
hes not intended to be a model for value hes a whole vanguard unit 😭
he was intended to be a model for value
wind cypress
cant believe someone in the balancing team presented the devs with the idea of a...
Vsjw was needed to add a bit of power creep. The way the game was going at that time was that the new units weren’t needed and the older ones were better/the same lvl
glass shoal
he was made as a flex unit
kind spade
near sorrel
he was intended to be a model for value
not gonna lie im not arguing about that
glass shoal
and then the instantly switched up and changed vanguards to be meta
dawn briar
They said smth abt vanguards arent meant to be meta
then yea switched it
when gogeta came out
wind cypress
hes not intended to be a model for value hes a whole vanguard unit 😭
Diavolo was meant to be a “rare and exclusive trading unit” at the start. It’s what the old devs wanted vanguards to be
crisp dock
Vsjw was needed to add a bit of power creep. The way the game was going at that ...
yeah power creep was needed but theres no way you gonna say they did a good job on it
near sorrel
Diavolo was meant to be a “rare and exclusive trading unit” at the start. It’s w...
then it was changed, it doesnt make sense to not change that for diavolo too
wind cypress
then it was changed, it doesnt make sense to not change that for diavolo too
If they revamp diavolo people would also want other revamps
dawn briar
He’s not getting revamp
glass shoal
not gonna lie im not arguing about that
near sorrel
If they revamp diavolo people would also want other revamps
yes because the fallen off vanguards need revamped whats your point
dawn briar
The best they can do for diavolo is make a jojo unit buff jojo units in their range
like ishtar with fate
near sorrel
yes and it was changed, they specified that when gogeta came out
dawn briar
Tho I can’t lie
wind cypress
yeah power creep was needed but theres no way you gonna say they did a good job ...
It wasn’t perfect but the only thing they could’ve done. I do admit that they shouldn’t have given him immunity to everything as this created a lot more trouble
glass shoal
300 secs is insane
5 gojo time stops 💔
wind cypress
yes because the fallen off vanguards need revamped whats your point
The problem is nobody who has diavolo really cares to get him revamped. They already profit from him being worth a lot when trading comes out and he’s a decent support
dawn briar
no we care abt him getting a revamp we just know hes not anymore
near sorrel
The problem is nobody who has diavolo really cares to get him revamped. They alr...
i want him revamped???
dawn briar
someone even made a gogeta and diavolo suggestion in #1255566253683380348
if i can find it
near sorrel
devs dont listen to what their community wants cuz why would they 🥴
wind cypress
i want him revamped???
Ay man, it just won’t happen
Make a small part of the community happy vs making everyone happy
near sorrel
its not making everyone happy to not buff diavolo 😭 there is genuinely zero reason to not buff him
glass shoal
The problem is nobody who has diavolo really cares to get him revamped. They alr...
!?
whose nobody
wind cypress
He already got buffed…
glass shoal
😭
dawn briar
its not making everyone happy to not buff diavolo 😭 there is genuinely zero rea...
He’s not getting no more buffs
wind cypress
The only “buff” he could receive is by units that can buff him or a entire repair
dawn briar
The buffs for vanguards is to just make them useable again
dawn briar
when gogeta start falling off he as well will get buffed
glass shoal
i swear i only use diavolo for is placement damage
dawn briar
but gogeta is still useable
glass shoal
his*
wind cypress
i swear i only use diavolo for is placement damage
That’s good tho
near sorrel
vanguard units should always be meta or at least top of sub meta lets be real
wind cypress
He’s still “useable”
near sorrel
you can look at als godly system and they always keep godlies meta to an extent
thats what i think at least i lowkey havent touched als in a hoooot minute
wind cypress
vanguard units should always be meta or at least top of sub meta lets be real
Diavolo is easily sub-meta if we are looking at his dmg alone. He wants a passive revamp which they won’t be doing to any unit.
near sorrel
and when aa still existed they buffed dio overheaven on re-release to reward the few players who managed to obtain him
near sorrel
Diavolo is easily sub-meta if we are looking at his dmg alone. He wants a passiv...
hes not top of sub meta and thats realistically the issue
dawn briar
aa dio oh
wind cypress
hes not top of sub meta and thats realistically the issue
Dmg alone he is near the top
wind cypress
His passives and ability just suck
near sorrel
genuinely stained its legacy 😭
dawn briar
aa should've stayed taken down bro
apparently theyre making a new one
near sorrel
His passives and ability just suck
lower ability cd and hed be ight
near sorrel
apparently theyre making a new one
devs are making an update for it, and other developers are making a sequel or something
both are gonna flop lets be real
wind cypress
lower ability cd and hed be ight
Lower cd won’t change much
Unless it’s a huge
Cd reduction
near sorrel
Lower cd won’t change much
it should be like 120
wind cypress
Man fuck diavolo when will we get another Subaru
He’s genuinely so insane
Bring him back
near sorrel
griffith will probably be a better buff than subaru
stoic grove
If Gogeta ever gets buffed maybe making Instant Transmission reset his current attack like gearboy's ability would be cool 
dawn briar
If Gogeta ever gets buffed maybe making Instant Transmission reset his current a...
oh nah
wind cypress
griffith will probably be a better buff than subaru
The thing is Subaru has basically 0 cost with good buffs
near sorrel
The thing is Subaru has basically 0 cost with good buffs
i lowkey dont have him so idk
stoic grove
...there was?
wind cypress
If Gogeta ever gets buffed maybe making Instant Transmission reset his current a...
Vanguard buffs are strictly stat buffs sadly
So he will get like a 50% dmg buff
And that’s it
dawn briar
#1408059671050195004
stoic grove
griffith will probably be a better buff than subaru
Surprisingly Haruka is rated higher than Subaru in the tierlist lmao
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