MONARCH TOKEN (for anniversary update ofc)

[smoky charm]

I’m just saying make a good quest with a lvl req

[pale bough]

any quest is easy

theres no way to make a quest that isnt afkable

thats why you ddont add it

[sinful ferry]

Hmmmm let’s give 100k ppl a free monarch mhmmmm they are gonna put it on top 3 units every time

[pale bough]

because theyre just gonna afk for it

[smoky charm]

One of the top 3

Do you think kaguya will be the only vanguard in the game?

After escanor they just stop making vanguards?

Of course not

[sinful ferry]

😭

[pale bough]

what is your point?? its still a free monarch

for a unit thatll remain meta

for atleast 2 updates

[sinful ferry]

Bro anniversary upd is still 2 upds away

Literally just say ur unlucky and get on with it

[pale bough]

nah not even 2 updates

fucking 6

6 minimum

if ur not stupid with it

[sinful ferry]

Why would they give something worth so much for free and u can put in on the best units in the game

[burnt tiger]

Because the devs are nice and generous and wants to give back for all the support given during the year

[smoky charm]

One of the best units*

You only get one

[pale bough]

theyve been generous

[burnt tiger]

😔🤞

[pale bough]

very generous

[smoky charm]

We had a entire civil war because they needed to step their game up

[sinful ferry]

Deadass we been getting hella rrs

[burnt tiger]

I don’t really care if i get that monarch token or not, it would be nice to have tho and a great way to show appreciation to the community

[sinful ferry]

Not bc of rrs bro

[pale bough]

with what? generosity?

[pale bough]

will literally just make the game als

atp just name av als

anime last vanguard

so we can all have monarchs

[smoky charm]

Exactly that’s all I’m trying to say, if you don’t like it sure that’s fine but to say it’s ruin the game is objectively wrong

[burnt tiger]

1 whole free monarch is not turning it into als bro 😭

[smoky charm]

please speak louder

[sinful ferry]

They could add like sum sort of special rr that gives a higher chance but one free one is crazy

[pale bough]

400-450 rrs every week not including events + a monrach token will infact make the game like als

[smoky charm]

How much monarchs do you have

[sinful ferry]

13

[smoky charm]

Ah

[sinful ferry]

I’m p2w tho

[pale bough]

they buffedd pw2ing, buffed f2p rrs, what else do you want?

p2wing*

do u want 2x trait luck too

yk what

2x trait luc

we needd that in this game

[burnt tiger]

Its ONE free monarch my brother, its 100% going to inflat monarchs in the game 100% and make the game monarch reliant

[sinful ferry]

Just for anniversary upd would be fine or like a event during it

[pale bough]

yes it will

[smoky charm]

How

[sinful ferry]

Mhmm yes let’s give a monarch they could put on any unit event vanguards that get buffs and will never leave meta

[pale bough]

average player will have minimum two monarchs

?

[pale bough]

and they will almost always remain good?

[smoky charm]

Well with the token the minimum would be 1, the average person would have to get the unit they want and also I’m asking for a lvl req, 50 or 40 is fine

[burnt tiger]

Its already been told that vanguards will be receiving familiar buffs which from my interpretation means that they will now have a finate lifespan instead of a infinite one

[pale bough]

lvl req doesnt matter

not doing shit

[burnt tiger]

And said vanguards still become “less meta” during there lifespan

Such as gogeta

[pale bough]

might as well be infinite

[burnt tiger]

Gogeta is pretty dead rn man

[sinful ferry]

Gogeta just a trophy rn

[burnt tiger]

Doesn’t seem very infinite to me

[pale bough]

he was good until 6.5 which is like 6 updates

so idk wtf ur on

[sinful ferry]

Soon bro soon

[burnt tiger]

Yet hes unusable rn, i fail to see how giving out a free monarch regardless of the unit makes it monarch reliant or would inflat rr/monarchs

[pale bough]

so what if hes unusuable rn

maybe use your brain

[burnt tiger]

Ad hominem final boss

[pale bough]

gogeta is one of the worse vanguards of the game yet he still lasted 6 updates

[smoky charm]

Yeah but he didn’t last forever

[burnt tiger]

6????

[pale bough]

6 updates is like 6 months

[burnt tiger]

Wouldint even say 6 mabye 4-5

[sinful ferry]

If I put monarch on kaguya and she leaves meta (she prolly won’t but if) then she gets a buff 6 months later now she best unit and she keeps getting buff how is that not dumb asf to u

[dreamy pasture]

You would be completely messing with the games progression purely for an extra monarch

[pale bough]

another character is baiken or cid

theyre not even vanguard

[dreamy pasture]

Why stop at a monarch token, I'm sure a lot of people would love an escanor, let's hand him out to everyone

[pale bough]

yet they still remain very viable after like 5 updates

[pale bough]

hah u can say that again!

[smoky charm]

Where in the progression does a monarch come into play?

[sinful ferry]

Already are bro 😭

[sinful ferry]

Ur slow asf

[smoky charm]

Nobody’s asking for a free vanguard

[pale bough]

the game is alreaddy not scaled for not monarchs

[sinful ferry]

Plz shut up

[pale bough]

are you saying

the not monacrh scaled progression

wont be messed up

[fierce obsidian]

most of the shit in the "500 every week method" is only possible with 🥭

[pale bough]

if a player gets monarch

early than expected

[dreamy pasture]

Any stages an early game player might struggle with they'd get through with ease

[pale bough]

no its not

[dreamy pasture]

And that's just early game

[pale bough]

400-450 is for people who get on every once in a while

[fierce obsidian]

not one person is grinding boss bounties

[pale bough]

the max is 700

[smoky charm]

I’m not saying give it to early game players

[fierce obsidian]

???

and thats just a lie

[pale bough]

then dont complain about reroll farming 😭

[smoky charm]

Story lock it for all I care make them do the entire thing

[sinful ferry]

Still bro they handing out rrs rn be for real

[pale bough]

obviously ur just lazy

andd not taking advantage of what the ddevs gave yoiu

[fierce obsidian]

thats with events not everything else. most people are doing boss rush and challenges

[dreamy pasture]

Anyone in the late game has just been given basically the highest DPS in the game they can currently get without a god birb

[pale bough]

]

[fierce obsidian]

yeah this is just ass

[dreamy pasture]

It shouldn't need to be explained why this would mess with the general progression to a near unfixable degree

[sinful ferry]

46 rr a day just from event and daily on 2x weekend damn near 200 a weekend

[smoky charm]

Too lazy to spend 5-8 minutes per stage for 1 rr 💔

[pale bough]

yeah 8 minutes is a real good estimate

[smoky charm]

Yeah boss rush

[fierce obsidian]

when the new standard for ex stages is being traitless than i dont know how this is the case

[pale bough]

???

[sinful ferry]

It’s like the only traitless stage other than boss rush bro 😭

[fierce obsidian]

like i said, only possible with 🥭

[dreamy pasture]

What

[pale bough]

yeah 680 rerols is only possible with afking

400 isnt

[sinful ferry]

^

[fierce obsidian]

youre talking about the monarch token arent you?

[dreamy pasture]

Yeah, I fail to see what EX stages have to do with this

[pale bough]

wow

one stage

means

what

[smoky charm]

Ex stages, boss rush, oddesey

[pale bough]

what the fuck ddid u even mean by this

[smoky charm]

Anything else you’d do is possibly raids and legend stages

[pale bough]

genuinely what is the point of saying that

[pale bough]

odyssey isnt apart of progression

[fierce obsidian]

ex stages are one of the main highlights of new content in big updates

[pale bough]

its literally jsut useless rn

[sinful ferry]

Oddesey give so much buffs bro 😭 and not prog

[pale bough]

no theyre not

😭

[smoky charm]

An example of more trait disabled game modes

[pale bough]

what the FUCK are you talking about

[dreamy pasture]

Since when

[smoky charm]

Gg upd

[pale bough]

still not apart of progression

[smoky charm]

Fine, then boss rush and ex stages

[sinful ferry]

There’s only 3 bro 😭

[pale bough]

yo maybe the guilty gear upddate hadd

maybe

pvp

[dreamy pasture]

They've been barely talked about

[pale bough]

as like

the main highlight

hmm

[fierce obsidian]

how do you get baiken? ex stage
what is the ideal way to get eren? ex stage
what is the best way to evolve all of the berserk characters and get the familiar? ex stage.

for the past few updates they have been

[smoky charm]

The secret unit is ex stage locked

[pale bough]

eren isnt essential for progression

ex stages are qol

😭

[dreamy pasture]

Still hardly talked about, EX stages were one of the highlights for GG specifically, not updates moving forward

[fierce obsidian]

its one of the highlights for the updates content and will continue to be

[pale bough]

theyre literally just harder legendd stages yet somehow because they provide more resourecs they're the main highlight of each update

[smoky charm]

Oml yall are too good a ragebait

[pale bough]

glorifiedd legendd stage btw

[fierce obsidian]

youre out of your mind if you didnt do ex stage for eren

[sinful ferry]

Eren is ass bro only used in tournaments

[fierce obsidian]

140 stages or 20 stages

anyone would take 20 stages

[dreamy pasture]

I didn't grind for Eren

[pale bough]

no new player needs eren or baiken btw

[dreamy pasture]

Nor do I plan to

[smoky charm]

Then don’t get him nobody’s forcing you

[fierce obsidian]

doesnt change that its one of the main highlights for several content updates

[pale bough]

maybe focus on actual progression and not ur fantasy progression where you think every new player gets every single unit in the game

[smoky charm]

I’m not saying give the token to new players

[pale bough]

its not

[sinful ferry]

U just said it was rage bait that he wasn’t needed for prof

[dreamy pasture]

Higher drops rates for one unit doesn't make it a highlight, it's just a neat alternative

[fierce obsidian]

then youre just lying

[smoky charm]

He isn’t I’m not saying he is

[fierce obsidian]

20 stages vs 140

for gg it wasnt optional

[dreamy pasture]

Again, not a highlight

[pale bough]

do you notice anything strange here

[fierce obsidian]

it is

[smoky charm]

Keep in mind you asked when had ex stages ever been a highlight

[sinful ferry]

That’s so fair bro yes let’s give half the player base a free monarch and the other half nothing that’s why there shouldn’t be one at all

[pale bough]

hey if ex stages are so important why isnt there a specific section for it

[fierce obsidian]

legend stage is at the top

[pale bough]

hmmm

dude

[dreamy pasture]

A highlight of an update is either long-term QoL or a genuinely welcome addition of a stage, EX stages aren't either, they're just a convenience

[pale bough]

ex act is such a highlight of the upddate

that it takes up a bullet point on the update log

wowzers!

its almost like ex stages are get this.. quality of life!

[dreamy pasture]

Yeah, of every update since GG, which it hasn't been 😭

[pale bough]

gg is an exception because that was the first time it was implemented as a concept

[dreamy pasture]

I'm still failing to see how EX stages are relevant to the overall topic

[pale bough]

now people dont care about it because its just the standard for new legend stages

[smoky charm]

🤦‍♂️ it’s like I’m talking to a wall that reflects sound over and over

Look

[pale bough]

me too

[sinful ferry]

Ur slow twin

[smoky charm]

If you disagree

Entirely fine

No problem with that

[sinful ferry]

Why would u give half sum and the other half nun

[smoky charm]

I only disagree with saying that the game would be ruined because of one token

[fierce obsidian]

monarch tokens dont damage the game

[smoky charm]

If you work for the token through an event

That’s totally fine

[pale bough]

no it isnt

😭

give us an example of what ud do for the quest

that isnt insanely hard or insanely easy

[fierce obsidian]

clear 1 million stages

[dreamy pasture]

Giving every single player a free monarch would absolutely mess with progression

[smoky charm]

That’s up to the devs if they want to add it

[dreamy pasture]

This shouldn't be a debatable topic

[fierce obsidian]

progression is already easy

[sinful ferry]

Bro this shit would fuck up the community so bad

[pale bough]

bro

ur so close to getting it

ur this close

if progression is alreaddy easy

why woulddd making it easier help

❓

why wouldd monarch tokens be needed

if like you said

progression is easy

❓

[smoky charm]

We don’t want monarchs for progression

Just for the anniversary

[fierce obsidian]

if the point is is that its damaging the game, but it doesnt change gameplay that much, what is the actual issue

[dreamy pasture]

From the pov of a endgame player, most early game players don't have the same resources we do, which requires them to actually strategise, you'd completely kill that with a monarch token

[smoky charm]

Ok right

[pale bough]

???

what the fuck does that even mean

[smoky charm]

Let’s say half the playerbase has a monarch

[dreamy pasture]

Again, it's the equivalent of handing everyone an escanor

[smoky charm]

The devs make a gamemode that invalidates monarch

What then

[fierce obsidian]

i hate to break it to you but theres never been a need to strategize or use your brain in any mode for any piece of content since this games release

[smoky charm]

Use other characters right?

[pale bough]

what if

what if man

what if

[sinful ferry]

It’s just one game mode

[dreamy pasture]

Then it just doesn't affect that mode and the other trait less modes

[fierce obsidian]

every tower defense game calls themselves a "strategy" game and thats just not the case

[smoky charm]

Who’s to say the won’t do more

[pale bough]

because theres no point

[dreamy pasture]

Just straight up wrong 😭

[sinful ferry]

Still u can’t give half a monarch and half nothing shit would kill the Game

[pale bough]

thats also just stupid on their part

[fierce obsidian]

if we're talking about progression, no im not

[pale bough]

give people a monarch when the games already easy then make it so the monarch is useless in anything hard

😭

[dreamy pasture]

Steel Ball run update asked for strategy, same with upd 0.5, those weren't modes you could just bring any unit into at the time

[pale bough]

so essentially make grinding for a monarch useless because they gave monarch tokens to everyone

[fierce obsidian]

steel ball run..

[dreamy pasture]

No, you are

Because you had to use your brain at least a bit to progress in those updates

[fierce obsidian]

raids are apart of progression?

the shitty raid units mind you

[smoky charm]

Wait can we back track

What’s up with the progression talk

[fierce obsidian]

"monarch token bad because it makes game too easy"

[dreamy pasture]

If you think handing everyone the strongest trait in the game won't have an effect on anything you're just lying to yourself, it's obvious something that drastic will have ripple effects

[sinful ferry]

Other dude brought that up

[fierce obsidian]

when the games already easy so who gives a shit

[pale bough]

"if the problems so bad lets jst not fix it"

[sinful ferry]

Why make it easier than 😭

[pale bough]

ur stupid

[dreamy pasture]

They're there for a reason aren't they

[pale bough]

"instead of fixing the problem lets make it worse 😈 "

[smoky charm]

If you mean that It’d ruin it because players would breeze through progression then make it story/legend stage locked

[fierce obsidian]

the game being easy isnt a problem

wdym

[pale bough]

what??

[sinful ferry]

Then sum ppl won’t get it and sum will again that ain’t fair and will kill the Game

[fierce obsidian]

people dont play tower defense games because theyre hard or challenging and make you use your brain

[pale bough]

yes it is

[fierce obsidian]

the main appeal

is gambling

[smoky charm]

I’m not understanding the progression argument I just wanna know

[fierce obsidian]

like its just straight up gambling

[pale bough]

the playercont went down by 30k becase this update was too easy

[fierce obsidian]

thats the main appeal

[dreamy pasture]

Or we just leave things as they are and not shift the game to accommodate one op item that's only being asked for out of greed

[smoky charm]

???

[fierce obsidian]

alright

what

are you on about

[dreamy pasture]

Idk why I'm even bothering to argue on this, it's not being added, there's not even a discussion to have

[smoky charm]

What’s shifting in the game

[pale bough]

ill show u since u cant think by urself

[fierce obsidian]

monarch token will not damage the game

[sinful ferry]

U can’t give sum ppl nothing and sum ppl something it will kill the game bro

[dreamy pasture]

Whatever you want to believe

[fierce obsidian]

arx is at 80k ccu and you dont have to press a single fucking button in that game

i dont know what youre talking about

[smoky charm]

Honestly yeah it’s just 4 idiots arguing back and forth it’s alright for disagreements no use in doing thing anymore

[pale bough]

❓

[fierce obsidian]

80k was their peak ccu because of an update drop

av was at 100k because of an update drop

[pale bough]

86k to 62k in 3 days btw

[fierce obsidian]

my point still stands

[pale bough]

thats terrible

[fierce obsidian]

tower defense game players can overlap with each other because they're within the same genre and have a similar look and feel, gameplay and generally wise

[fierce obsidian]

uh

what?

[pale bough]

losing a third of your players in 3 days is bad bud

[fierce obsidian]

thats not a third

can u count

[pale bough]

almost a third

forgot the almost

[fierce obsidian]

and thats just how hype works

the game plays by itself as well so people finish up updates rather quickly 🤷‍♂️

dont know why ur looking deep into it

"thats bad!"

[pale bough]

it works with arx because they update fast

esp with brandon

in charge now

[fierce obsidian]

brandon was not cooking with arx 😔

[pale bough]

doesnt work with av because it has basically the same amt of content while taking way longer to update

[fierce obsidian]

av is still going strong at like 80k so i still dont know what the problem is

its almost been two weeks since the berserk update dropped

[sacred dawn]

The events help a lot

[livid rain]

Its almost like forcing players to play or lose ground is good for player count

[pale bough]

u dont lose ground if u dont play

[livid rain]

Gotta be the dumbest shit ive ever heard

Not playing daily vs people that do is a difference between 400rrs a week (at casual play) any event familiars or shops thats active, and just passive gain of gems

[pale bough]

bud i get on every few days i assure you u are not left in the dust if u dont play

[livid rain]

Ragebait so clear its in red text

[wet raft]

What's so terrible about a 1 time monarch token i don't get it

[real beacon]

its just stupid😭 they are definitly not doing this so why are people argueing

[quartz latch]

i want monarch token

[quartz latch]

because

just give a good amount of rerolls

for anniversary

no need for a monarch

[wet raft]

Whatever that monarch your getting is gonna get powercrept at some point and getting a monarch token would just be a short cut to the grind for rrs. I got 2 meta monarchs and still want this

[pale bough]

in like 4-6 updates

and that monarchs not gonna be ass its just not gonna be the best

[quartz latch]

you got 2 only bro

rerolls arent the hardest thing to grind rn

just make rerolls more frequent in events during anniversary

[pale bough]

honestly idk why they dont just drop a code

[quartz latch]

probably will

we all getting the 50 reroll 5000 summer tea ocde 💔

[pale bough]

obviously the community is too lazy to do the basic reroll grind

so

[quartz latch]

you can get 40 rerolls a day rn by js doing 25 stages

[pale bough]

might as well just make it easy

[pale bough]

im aware

[quartz latch]

😭

[pale bough]

people are too lazy to do that and boss bounties

[quartz latch]

thing is i STILL see people complaining

[pale bough]

they complain about rerolls because they dont like grinding them

because they think this game is astdx

where you dont have to work for any rerolls

[quartz latch]

rerolls in av more accesible then astd x

arx and als better

[pale bough]

obtainment methods are different

[quartz latch]

cause now the raids are guaranteed to drop rerolls in als

[quartz latch]

canrt you js afk chamber

or smrh

[pale bough]

astdx main way was codes so more people get them

even if there are more rrs in av

[quartz latch]

oh yeah codes

i got like 3 all stars from that 😭

i dont play the game either

[pale bough]

me neither

[quartz latch]

only td i fleshed out properly was aa av and ad

[real beacon]

thats not the point😭 its just the plain fact that they will not do this

[quartz latch]

als and arx too ig

[pale bough]

people are lazy and want to see instant gratification instead of getting more rrs from doing the bare minimum

[quartz latch]

give us ethereal token

[quartz latch]

its just this community i swear

[pale bough]

because that’s what av’s shown

[quartz latch]

cough cough

[pale bough]

instead of sticking to their values theyve sucked up

[quartz latch]

😭

ig its more healthy for the game in the long run

[pale bough]

opposite

[quartz latch]

would've preferred if av stayed difficult with the quality of updates theyve been having

[pale bough]

healthy for short term long term is questionable

[quartz latch]

only problem i see rn is the power creep

[pale bough]

with accessibility of rerolls not scaling well to the difficulty of the game the games gonna eventually turn into a glorified als

but higher quality and shittier update schedule

[quartz latch]

yeah the games way too easy

updates are very short too

[pale bough]

yep

been saying this yet somehow its a controversial take

[quartz latch]

idk how av maintained 80-100k ccu

till now

ig the events

[pale bough]

bots

still rampant

[quartz latch]

really

[pale bough]

yes

[quartz latch]

i never see bots

tbf im never in ublic servers

but the odd time i am i never see them

[pale bough]

just on the firs toage

first page

the first lobby shown was full of bots

[pale bough]

look at this

esp since this is such an easily afkable event with trading also coming soon

trading may be the ends of times

for the game

i cant lie

[quartz latch]

💔💔

[quartz latch]

depends how they do it

[pale bough]

even the most conservative way of doing is would be bad

[quartz latch]

AA trading wasn't that bad

[quartz latch]

idk the whole jd a of exclusive shit is dumb for me

[pale bough]

only unit and bundle trading

like

[quartz latch]

there's so much exclusive META units

[pale bough]

the amount of kaguyas snd escanors and all them just

being even more worthless

and the bmerd

bmers

good lord

[quartz latch]

😭😭

they making familiars tradeable too

[pale bough]

familiars would be a good decision

since godroll birbs would basically be the currency of trading

and it’d allow f2p players enter the trading scene atleast somehow if they got lucky

[quartz latch]

aslong as they don't add booths fr

[quartz latch]

lb yeah

yeah

[quartz latch]

stuff will probably be based around birbs anyways

escanor worth a 3/4 godroll birb or smth

if ygm

you also cNt rlly bot it

as much

you need a good team and good afk

system

av needs to add booths and make gems and rerolls tradable l

[wet raft]

True

[sinful ferry]

98 dislikes

Like

Geniuenly

Why

So 98 people thinks its bad thing?

Like what?

and btw

its also ONE time thing ONE

[sinful ferry]

Maybe lucky people disliked it lol

So stupid

yall mad at this suggestion

Because of free monarch?

Read carefully

ONE time thing

Like bro

Lemme the us UNLUCKY players get something bro

If devs won't make this

I'm gonna crash out

[white dirge]

yeah bro WE are so unlucky

[sinful ferry]

Ragebait 0/10 lol

[white dirge]

why????????

WE need that monarch token

[sinful ferry]

Bru