Harder stages over mecro bullshit (Tldr at the end for lazy mfs)

[crystal yew]

but seems it was overhyped imo

[wide harness]

why a tower defense

[crystal yew]

its genre is stratergy and i was expecting to use stratergy. otherwise what other genre could i play similar to this?

[hardy orchid]

Fortnite and gacha games squeeze out every dime they possibly can lets be so fr. They occasionally need to do shit people like otherwise their revenue goes down.

[wide harness]

tbh the moment you have to gacha the units is the moment I saw the hurdle they'll have to do if they want good gameplay progressions and gameplay loops

[hardy orchid]

Ive never really played val so wont comment on it

[crystal yew]

they get money off people just playing the game?

they do get most their money from ppl buying skins etcc though

which u need to have a good game to incline ppl to spend

[hardy orchid]

Yeah

Kinda

I wouldnt call the recent cod games "good" but they are still gold mines

[sleek charm]

Last good cod was world war 1

[gloomy otter]

also doesent really help that rblx is prob the only platform that pays ppl if ppl play ur game

[wide harness]

lots of strategy in other roblox games im pretty sure

[hardy orchid]

Only premium players

Majority revenue is still ingame purchases

[wide harness]

cant find any examples on the top of my head so i guess that argument is void

[crystal yew]

cod is close to a monopoly only competition is battle field but mfs wanan release the same time as cod

[sleek charm]

Cod is

ass now

[hardy orchid]

Bf6 seems to be doing great numbers

[gloomy otter]

yeah probably

[hardy orchid]

But apparently they codified the game, atleast they dont have snoop dogg doing the griddy in it yet

[sleek charm]

Got black ops 6 now I want a refund

💀

[gloomy otter]

they dont need to improve the game if they are gonna stay profitable regardlessly

[sleek charm]

I should’ve known

[gloomy otter]

like every nba 2k is just a fucking roster update if u ask me

[wide harness]

I want harder stages too but making the stages annoying to play and grind that you can barely use tinytask is the problem

you want a stage that doesnt need grind

[gloomy otter]

that doesent need alot of grind

to be more specific

[crystal yew]

yeah like kaguyas 1000 portals bs

[lilac vector]

Ultimate tower defense

[wide harness]

i like the dandadan event but it gives the worst fucking rewards

[sleek charm]

vanguards were a mistske

limited vanguardsi

[lilac vector]

How so

[lilac vector]

Why do you think they were a mistake?

[crystal yew]

i feel its how they are designed tbh

[lilac vector]

Are we supposed to like stick to secret and less?

Because that isn’t working out

[sleek charm]

?

[crystal yew]

i fw limited shit but they way they designing it is my problem

[wide harness]

it's more like it's how it's gonna end up

[lilac vector]

That’s what you want right

[sleek charm]

no lol

[lilac vector]

You said vanguards were a mistake

So why are you saying they’re a mistake

It’s like

[crystal yew]

yes aslong if it stays profitable why would u change ur goal?

[sleek charm]

meant limited vanguards

[lilac vector]

How are they a mistake

They can create another version of them

[gloomy otter]

same here idk why it gets much hate it was a very creative stage which the td scene had never scene before

[lilac vector]

But free obtainable forever

[wide harness]

not in profit, as in their limitedness and extreme rarity

[sleek charm]

Another version of them

[wide harness]

that's just vsjw

[sleek charm]

Yea I’m not

going through this

[crystal yew]

sure i feel the grind should be just very low % shit and more harder stages to make it feel like u accomplished sth

[gloomy otter]

same here i dont really feel much satisfaction from vsjw

[lilac vector]

Acting like you have any better solutions

Pack it up

[gloomy otter]

cuz i js mecro'd the same ez stage 50 times

[sleek charm]

Ofc I don’t

That’s the end of this conversation

[wide harness]

yeah but they haven't perfected it

[lilac vector]

Saying it’s a mistake + doesn’t elaborate how

[sleek charm]

Drop it

[lilac vector]

Peak community

Typing shit

[gloomy otter]

dawg already admitted defeat

[sleek charm]

Drop it mushy

[lilac vector]

Look at him

[gloomy otter]

why u trynna push this shit farther?

[sleek charm]

He’s always like this

[lilac vector]

Because he can just ignore me

[crystal yew]

i hope they are planning it

[lilac vector]

It’s clear he just want the action

[sleek charm]

Drop it

[wide harness]

not only do they need to lower grind requirement and harder stages, they have to get player retention too

[lilac vector]

You don’t tell somebody to shut up and you’re still in the conversation

[sleek charm]

Drop it

[gloomy otter]

i mean im js givng advice because i couldnt really care cuz this shit doesent involve me

[lilac vector]

Well it’s not a good one

[gloomy otter]

advice is advice regardlessly

[lilac vector]

Too bad he’s going keep spamming the thing over and over eventually getting him muted later on

[wide harness]

they need free non-gacha units you can get in like beginning of a new progression to use for new mechanics

[sleek charm]

I’m not it’s just over with

[lilac vector]

This is a thing

[crystal yew]

sure av prob has the worst player retention imo and is more of js mecroing shit

[lilac vector]

Don’t new players get free stuff

[sleek charm]

Eh

[lilac vector]

New beginners unit

[gloomy otter]

walahi

[wide harness]

in spider forest raid, you need to gamble for sakura to win on release

[sleek charm]

Vegeta

[lilac vector]

No

All you had to do was use burn units

Which were common

[wide harness]

not secret units, those aren't guaranteed

[crystal yew]

i mean u didnt need sakura but it was very tedious without her

[lilac vector]

Some are guaranteed

[crystal yew]

and took way longer

[lilac vector]

Also escanor only takes 4d for a new player to get

So they get a free beginner unit + fre vanguard

That has no level req to it

[sleek charm]

and the banner units

those good too

[wide harness]

they need a good gameplay loop. I think odyssey is a good example of it rn

[crystal yew]

i mean they do have a gameplay loop but its js way to fucking boring

[wide harness]

the only guaranteed units you'd get is vegeta and it's for ppl that got unlucky and didn't get mythics

[wide harness]

yeah, that's why they need a good one

I feel like if dandadan event is actually inf and not just til wave 30, it'd be fun

you can do so much stupid shit in there

press it ability spams

[lilac vector]

Not for gameplay

For fun yes

[sleek charm]

I liked the dandandan event

[wide harness]

not for grind you mean

dandadan grind is hell

[lilac vector]

Wdym?

Gameplay was fine

[wide harness]

dandadan stage is cool

[lilac vector]

People hated ddd update for no reason

[sleek charm]

They buffed the grind, so it was more enjoyable

before it I can understand

[wide harness]

the reason is harder grind with mediocre units

[sonic verge]

Tds was first big td on rblx

2019

[wide harness]

personally, I want a stage like ddd but inf

like odyssey but you dont have to pause

[sleek charm]

I like the map

[wide harness]

they put the mechanics mostly on the units

if they put the mechanics mostly on the stages, it'd be a lot more balance

but i think that's too late now

i mean they can still do it

which is odyssey

but imagine the progression but with ddd mechanics

so fucking fun

tinytask unfriendly but noone would complain

because it's fun

[candid tendon]

people will complain about a stage not being tinytaskable if the rewards are terrible

[wide harness]

just adjust the grind and you can still have rare shit that doesn't require your brain to turn off either cuz you automated or cause you're tired as hell doing hours of grind

[wide harness]

obviously

just adjust the rewards

or make it so the more you play, the more likely the rewardss would be

[orchid relic]

Lowkey every clear the drop % of the unit goes up

that would be cool

[crystal yew]

@gloomy otter u cant lie this shit looks clean

[gloomy otter]

thats dokkodo?

[crystal yew]

yuh peak

[wide harness]

not every clear. It's like summer inf where you have a chance to get pride sun every 10 waves

i mean sunshine

[crystal yew]

shit this chat got 2000 msgs already?

like in the old days 1000 msgs was an achievement

[candid tendon]

because the suggestion itself was bad

and damages the game

[marsh axle]

everytime this game gets harder stages

mfs start whining

i dont think this suggestion is a bad idea

but theres a demographic of people within this community that simply cannot handle a challenge which is an issue within itself

[candid tendon]

because they make the stages bullshit and not fun

[marsh axle]

they really dont

that aot ex stage wasn't bullshit

ts was just hard

completely able to be done by yourself

[summer frigate]

challenges* in a game where all u need a gambled for trait to win easier

[marsh axle]

i mean

[candid tendon]

a removing meter debuff after giving every unit for the past 3 updates meter is bullshit

[marsh axle]

thats the point of the trait system

to make the game easier

ur unit does more dmg u spend less yen

its a gacha game bro idk what u expect 😭

[candid tendon]

that doesn’t help an already damaged reputation after consecutively bad and boring updates

[marsh axle]

i can agree that wasn't a good move

not sure why its relevant now though since they fixed that

[candid tendon]

post update

[gloomy otter]

because

it ends up being js a fucking massive hp boost

[summer frigate]

Im still angry about the 1.5 update I shouldve quit then

[wary sun]

First impressions matter way more than anything else look at the gg update

[marsh axle]

so do you want a unmacroable mechanically super difficult stage where you NEED to co-op it

[candid tendon]

i’m just pointing out why “harder” content just never worked and never will work

[marsh axle]

because theres also a crowd of people who just want to solo everything

[summer frigate]

preach

this update was simple and its being received well

[marsh axle]

il dont think it never will work

i think it just ultimately comes down to who you want to dissapoint 😭

[summer frigate]

if players want a challenge and to challenge eachother I think we should have a mario maker like "stage maker" and we can have other players try to beat it.

[gloomy otter]

not really i just dont need stages where the only thing u need to do is farm and auto upgrade the unit
plus the other ways of adding difficulty like utilizing a time limit

[marsh axle]

at the end of the day no matter what you do theres going to be some portion of the community who's just upset

[marsh axle]

that'd actually be kinda raw

thats lowkey

make a suggestion for that dawg 😭

[summer frigate]

ehhh

[marsh axle]

if u dont i will twin

[summer frigate]

maybe later

[marsh axle]

i'll rob u of ur credit too

[summer frigate]

u can do it if you like

[crystal yew]

please no the playerbase is pretty much stupid and doesent know the differnece betwen impossible and difficult

[summer frigate]

thats the point it will be like those custom geometry dash stages

[candid tendon]

people will hop on and play the update for about an hour and they never take that into consideration

and what i mean by that is, when you play a new stage for the first time and you discover your units are literally useless against a mechanic a lot of people are gonna be put off by that immediately

[summer frigate]

stupid hard for the fun of it

and if you lose its no biggie

[candid tendon]

the damage reduction debuff is stupid, meter debuff is stupid, and that’ll make people get off

[crystal yew]

i mean geometry dash community does got common sense but this one is questionable

[candid tendon]

gg update could’ve done far better if it wasn’t buggy

[summer frigate]

what is that debuff in land of gods that just kills ur units damage

[marsh axle]

real

[candid tendon]

i think it’s just called damage reduction

[marsh axle]

i enjoy ur time limit suggestion

that was really cool

[candid tendon]

and back then it made your units do literally 0 damage

very fucking stupid mechanic

[summer frigate]

ohh

[candid tendon]

people with SJW grinded up stayed on the game meanwhile the people who didn’t do that grind got off

that’s how we dipped to 15k

[marsh axle]

a real one like me was balling cause i got my sjw second day

[tribal ridge]

energy drain

[gloomy otter]

my main problem with energy drain
is the solution is supposed to be units that clense
but its preety much uselss as they get the debuff back instantly

[orchid relic]

Energy drain not even a big deal just use cid or sjw

[candid tendon]

that’s exactly my point

[marsh axle]

or a spark unit

literally any spark unit

[candid tendon]

“do 20 hour grind to have fun playing the game”

[orchid relic]

There’s multiple counters for it you guys making a big deal for no reason 🥹

[crystal yew]

i mean yeah thats why i said clense should be a time period like they cant get debuffed for 10 seconds etc

[summer frigate]

the devs have to know that 🥭 makers are the only reason their games are played

[marsh axle]

100% right, i thiink out of the 80k ppl on the game rn, a small portion think like this

there are so many ways to counter certain mechanics

[crystal yew]

like the way the game is designed is literally making the mfs who make this mecros money

[orchid relic]

People try and brute force it and complain about struggling

[marsh axle]

what im sayin

mfs dont wanna use their brain

what happened to reading guys

[orchid relic]

[candid tendon]

the mechanics are bs

[gloomy otter]

i mean regardlessly they would make money but in av its crazy they may as well be getting it like pocket money

[orchid relic]

Some guy was complaining about boss aot taking 20 mins and he was running 3 vanguard with 1 placement

💔

[unique pasture]

if harder content comes out the requirement to get the reward needs to be way less

thats the main problem

[marsh axle]

20 mins...?

[gloomy otter]

thats it genius

[unique pasture]

i want hard content but i dont want to do it 30 times over 💔

[gloomy otter]

we want harder content but less clears

[tribal ridge]

thats how aot ex functions

[orchid relic]

bro was running the most bullshit team ever

[unique pasture]

soloed by kaguuya btw

thats not hard content 😭

[summer frigate]

I skipped aot update im not evoing the units just to do a one week only event that'll go away and all I need is rrs from shop

[gloomy otter]

with monarch

[marsh axle]

its not hard content but its harder

[summer frigate]

fuck aot update

[unique pasture]

i would say

[tribal ridge]

tell that to all the people saying it was impossible and needed nerfs

[marsh axle]

hard enough for people to complain about the mention of an "ex" stage

[gloomy otter]

who tf has kaguya with monarch dawg less than 0,5% of the ccu

[tribal ridge]

if we make actual hard content the community will riot

[unique pasture]

icl ppl were saying taht abt update 6's ex

not rlly update 7

[candid tendon]

133 hour grind unit btw

[unique pasture]

it wont tho 😭

give an option

easy content and hard content

[candid tendon]

this is why we went to 15k

[summer frigate]

it is.. kaguya is the best unit tho

[crystal yew]

thats what they are doing tbh

[marsh axle]

they will literally riot bra

[orchid relic]

it saves you time every single rotation 🥹
Twice as face and twice as easy just spending a hour evoing 2 units

[marsh axle]

mfs dont use their brains

[unique pasture]

afked the entire thing icl

[unique pasture]

shes dummy op 😭

[unique pasture]

if the game does it good they wont

[orchid relic]

You got a 0.005 unit with the 0.1% trait what do you expect

If u want it to be hard don’t use kaguya 💔

[marsh axle]

thats impossible, im not saying its impossible for them to do something good but like

[gloomy otter]

i mean if the difficulty is just making enemies have 3 million hp ofc riots are going to happen

[orchid relic]

Mfs grind the best unit then complain about stuff being too easy mane 💔

[unique pasture]

icl pre boss rush was a good exampl

example

like whne igris came out

you had to strategise

[orchid relic]

Bro

[unique pasture]

traitless

and the community didnt complain

[orchid relic]

U could do the legend stages with RARE units

[unique pasture]

as much

[orchid relic]

Wdym you had to strategize

[gloomy otter]

i swear u could solo that shit with cha hae in vegita and speed wagon

[unique pasture]

yeah but you had to have proper placements

[orchid relic]

u could with rares and legendaries 😭

[unique pasture]

and good upgrade timings

[gloomy otter]

the only shit u needed to strategize was the positioning of the units tbh

[unique pasture]

i mean its not that hard but like

its a good example of something thats hard yet enjoyed

[summer frigate]

they need to add a bossrush map skip just for aot

[unique pasture]

i didnt mind grinidng it 😭

[gloomy otter]

and using that logic ddd leg stage 3 could be counted as a strategical stage

[unique pasture]

whats ddd

oh yeah smth i did like

paragon

[orchid relic]

u literally gain back the time in a single boss rush instead of wasting 20 mins

[unique pasture]

it was rewarding

challenging

was js a hassle tho

cause of picking cards

[gloomy otter]

double dungeon mah bad meant dd

[unique pasture]

oh yeah

i mean tbf

thats js placing units at the statues 😭

[summer frigate]

this beserk update will be the final litmus test to see if av is back or not

[unique pasture]

seems fire

[summer frigate]

im all in on its back

[unique pasture]

rift unit possible?

[crystal yew]

av wont die regardlessly bro

[unique pasture]

new raid

[tribal ridge]

rewarding

[summer frigate]

yeah im getting guts

[tribal ridge]

oh wait you were talking about paragon

[unique pasture]

i got 300 rerolls rn saved for him

[tribal ridge]

i misread

[unique pasture]

im getting him monarch regardless

[candid tendon]

i will be killing myself if a unit is better unevo’d

[unique pasture]

yeah it was

you got so much gems

if you were good

[marsh axle]

i have 0 rerolls

cant wait to buy bundl;es

and get my 1.5k rerolls

[unique pasture]

i remember when getting to paragon 30 gave 20 rerolls

[tribal ridge]

yea paragon was op as shit

[unique pasture]

and itwas so shype

[summer frigate]

when has that happened except for orihime

[gloomy otter]

i hope they aint gonna be telling us to beat the raid while doing a hand stand 100 times

[unique pasture]

i strategised with 4 of my friends

[candid tendon]

ackermans

[unique pasture]

and took like an hour to figure stuff out

[tribal ridge]

people could get a milion gems in a day

[unique pasture]

at the start of the game 😭

[summer frigate]

oh he is huh

[crystal yew]

cuz yall didnt put no limit to the rewards 😭

[unique pasture]

yh if there was a lmit

like 2k gems per clear

[candid tendon]

bring paragon back

[unique pasture]

cause the floors were rlllllly hard

[orchid relic]

are the bundles gonna be op like 7.5?

[tribal ridge]

yea

[unique pasture]

i wold prefer paragon over oddesey rn 😭

[tribal ridge]

allegedly

[orchid relic]

Deadass

[tribal ridge]

idk what the bundles are

[orchid relic]

yes take my money av

[unique pasture]

youre tester right

have you tried this update at all?

[orchid relic]

only bundles I bought

[gloomy otter]

wait is this upd gonna be story/raid?

[tribal ridge]

bundles are one of the last things that are done

[marsh axle]

god i loved the 7.5 bundles

[unique pasture]

you've defo tested

[crystal yew]

prob raid av dont got any order

[unique pasture]

DOES THE UPDATE feel rewarding?

[marsh axle]

they were so bountiful compared to previous updates

[tribal ridge]

there was been multiple updates where my first time seeing the bundles was during maintenece

[tribal ridge]

wdym by rewarding

like are the units good?

[unique pasture]

just everything in general

like the rewards decent

[orchid relic]

Like in terms of rerolls

[unique pasture]

the units have to be good

[crystal yew]

why the fuck would anyone grind for bad units bro

[unique pasture]

or the games cooked 😭

berserk units are the most hyped

units ever

[candid tendon]

this is why no one has eren ✌️

[unique pasture]

i have a feeling the witch girl gon be meta

[tribal ridge]

yea i would say so
i havent spent that much time looking at that stuff tho
mainly just making sure shit works

[unique pasture]

also seems like so much units are full aoe 😭

[orchid relic]

yea

[unique pasture]

is the power creep on the level as this upd?

cause like ALL the units have good dps this update

[wary sun]

Who’s ready for 20 spa 🥹

[tribal ridge]

nah

[unique pasture]

all theu nits have uses

[tribal ridge]

7.5 was the exception cuz it was a massive powercreep jump

[unique pasture]

yeah they kinda had too anyways

[orchid relic]

PLEASE don’t make Griffith take 50 waves to get good we don’t have a single good high wave game mode

[marsh axle]

DUNGEONS!!!!!

[gloomy otter]

dawg griff's alr been determined

[marsh axle]

make griffifth a wordline floor 100 unit

[gloomy otter]

holy shit if its a dungeon thats gonna be mad

[orchid relic]

I would LOVE more dungeons that didn’t take 40 mins

[unique pasture]

griffs gon be a fun questline

[tribal ridge]

what im hearing is make you sacrafice 3 vanguard units, 10 secret units, and 50 of mythic+

[unique pasture]

OCCULT INC

[marsh axle]

YES

[orchid relic]

Thank god I have 5 kaguya

[unique pasture]

i needed this

[crystal yew]

dungeons are arguably the best gamemode in the gam

[tribal ridge]

holy sweat

[marsh axle]

nah i just want more endgame content

this game is so fun imo

[unique pasture]

rifts are fun

[marsh axle]

but theres nothing for me to do atm

[unique pasture]

yeah ive stayed loyal

[gloomy otter]

goddamn this is good this is very good i had like 8 gogetas sitting in my inventory doing nothing

[unique pasture]

im just getting rerolls rn 😭

i need guts monarch

[orchid relic]

If dungeons took 10-15 mins to do and were rewarding a lot of people would love them

[marsh axle]

so im stuck playing fuck ass valorant

i hate valorant sm

[unique pasture]

istg if this game fumbles monarch 😭

i mean guts

[marsh axle]

whats ur method

[unique pasture]

bounties challenges and just all the shops 😭

[orchid relic]

I need guts monarch and Griffith monarch

[marsh axle]

mane

all my shops are cleared out

[orchid relic]

Maybe even skull knight

I’m at 2.3k rn

[unique pasture]

yeah mine keep clearing

[tribal ridge]

go sweat inf lb if you really want a shit ton of rrs

[crystal yew]

i mean rewarding comes with difficulty tho

[marsh axle]

i get so excited when a new tournament comes out or odyssey resets

[orchid relic]

Just add more events bro

[unique pasture]

this tourney is so ass bro

[orchid relic]

I love the events

[unique pasture]

i got everything but alu

[orchid relic]

They’re so rewarding and worth playing

[unique pasture]

is it hard ?

[marsh axle]

the tournaments are sometimes butt

but its literally just something different to do

[tribal ridge]

idk
i dont play it cuz its boring as shit

[marsh axle]

manually

[valid sparrow]

they need to stop adding new gamemodes

[unique pasture]

yeah events are the best feature theyve added in so long

[gloomy otter]

yuh but players want rewarding and easy content

[tribal ridge]

but t12 is what 100 rrs?

and if most recent 4 maps you also get lb skin

[unique pasture]

ion got monarch cid 😢

[tribal ridge]

is mon cid even used over eth?

[valid sparrow]

any cid works

[unique pasture]

i got all the vnaguards but diavolo

monarch

[orchid relic]

yes for his nuke

[unique pasture]

im waiting to get a shiny one 😭

[valid sparrow]

eth cid is used over monarch in inf runs

pretty sure

[unique pasture]

i got 25 manual cids bro

during shiny event

and not a single shiny

[tribal ridge]

i coulda sworn eth was the method
but maybe the speed changes changed that

[orchid relic]

Why

[valid sparrow]

something something you get 3 nukes

[gloomy otter]

wtf they was a shiny event?

[unique pasture]

yup

double shiny vent

[valid sparrow]

not as much as 1 monarch but enough to keep wiping out maps

[gloomy otter]

good shit happens when i aint playing the game dawg

[unique pasture]

ill work on eth

cid

[tribal ridge]

shoulda been playing
i got shiny jin mori from it

[unique pasture]

i only got shiny gojo 😭

[orchid relic]

I got SCAMMED bc 2x shiny wanst on when I spent 1m gems

[unique pasture]

sick shiny tho

1 day ill get shiny cid and normal alu

[gloomy otter]

hell nah this game is boring as shit aint finna have a program play the game for me

[unique pasture]

they gotta add a ful aoe wounded bleed soon bro

[tribal ridge]

why would they just fully replace alu

[orchid relic]

Guts

[unique pasture]

thats true

[orchid relic]

It’s almost been a year man💀

[unique pasture]

tbf

they need a good wounded char

[crystal yew]

alucard was prac alr replaced with kisuke

[unique pasture]

wounded is locked behind kisuke and alu 😭

one is shit

and the other iis hard to get if not lucky

[wide harness]

the point of the trait system should be differentiating the same units by having different roles or sumthin

[tribal ridge]

weather report is close enough

[tribal ridge]

only when kiskae was bugged and did perma wounded

[wide harness]

alucard:

[unique pasture]

ya but then he doesnt bleed

so for the tounrey rn

[gloomy otter]

what does weather report even do in av?

[unique pasture]

you need a full aoe bleed

and the only one i can think of is choso

[crystal yew]

that was a bug?

[orchid relic]

Guts is obviously gonna do full aoe rupture

[crystal yew]

now he dont do perma wounded wtf

[unique pasture]

that would be a bit too busted

[crystal yew]

wait what did rupture do?

[tribal ridge]

bubbled, which makes the next attack deal 30% more dmg
and he does burn which applies it alot

[wide harness]

bubble, slow, and burn

[tribal ridge]

stops regen forever

[gloomy otter]

break shields or sum shit

[unique pasture]

i cant let my monarch lancer get power crept yet 💔

[orchid relic]

Sick as smodel

[gloomy otter]

goddamn this mf is crazy

[unique pasture]

i wish he had the skeleton

aa's model rlly aws the best 😭

i mean horse

[gloomy otter]

is there even any event unit not worth getting from this upd?

[tribal ridge]

only downside to weather is cant slow bosses
but outside of that hes pretty insane

[unique pasture]

everyone of them is good

maybe ali

[tribal ridge]

worst one is prob ali
but even then hes still good

[unique pasture]

but still

hes good

[crystal yew]

is that skull knight?

[tribal ridge]

his gimick just isnt that impactful

[orchid relic]

But still get him for the free event currency

[orchid relic]

Yes

[gloomy otter]

nah its the bone king who tf would it be

[orchid relic]

I saw it on Twitter

[unique pasture]

we need new frostburn chars

[tribal ridge]

we dont

[paper gust]

av or another game

[gloomy otter]

no way the do my boy alibaba dirty they had a whole map themed around the anime of my boy

[orchid relic]

What we need is a way to disable a domain in kaguya

[unique pasture]

i swear quetzcoloatle

whatevre there name is

from fate

unless ali is too

[tribal ridge]

the pyramid map is magi?

i thought it was fate

[orchid relic]

No its gilgameshes kingdom

[unique pasture]

bro icl when the trailer dropped had me thinking it was meliodas copyright 💔

[gloomy otter]

idk that shit looks like egypt to me

[hardy orchid]

Isnt it babylonia

[unique pasture]

its fate

[tribal ridge]

its like aztec pyramids and shit
for queztlcoatl

[unique pasture]

quetz getting a whole map is insane 😭

[paper gust]

is the eren bug+no bans getting fixed on upd?

[unique pasture]

these devs love fate bro

[orchid relic]

Wait 8.0 has a new story right

[gloomy otter]

wtf

[tribal ridge]

eren bug?

[gloomy otter]

i thought that shit was js a name for gilgameshes abillity

[paper gust]

Cosmic buff multiplies his nuke numbers when it should be static

[unique pasture]

sooo when are we removing god statue and mahito from oddesey 😢

[tribal ridge]

oh yea that reminds me
i was meaning to ask if that was intended

[unique pasture]

multiplies it too much

[crystal yew]

breh wtf no dont thats js gonna make the game harder

[unique pasture]

saw it like 1 tapping a 160m boss bro

[orchid relic]

Make Griffith unknown

[gloomy otter]

u dont even have eren

[paper gust]

Ask also about the bans man, its been like a freakin month of tournaments without bans 😭

[crystal yew]

idc

[paper gust]

The teams are braindead

[unique pasture]

they rlly tryna make the aot units relevant 😭

bro

[tribal ridge]

i been making reports about no bans🥀

[unique pasture]

griffith right hes multi elements probably

[paper gust]

sad

[crystal yew]

nah griffith is cosmic

[unique pasture]

unknown curse and holy

[paper gust]

Hopefully fixed on upd

[unique pasture]

i wonder how its gonna work with kaguya

[tribal ridge]

yea so not a bug rumbling is cosmic dmg

[gloomy otter]

why tf is griffith this glazed 😭

[unique pasture]

aa started the griffith glaze i swr

[paper gust]

Damn

[crystal yew]

i mean hes a peak villain

[tribal ridge]

kaguya only takes placement elements
she doesnt get unbound from gilg

[unique pasture]

one day ill have a full team of monarchs

[unique pasture]

they gotta change that fr

[orchid relic]

I have even more ☠️

[gloomy otter]

holy shit this peak mecro unemployment

[paper gust]

I hate jin mori so much

[unique pasture]

tbf kaguyas already busted 😭

[tribal ridge]

kaguya is good enough
we dont need 10 element kaguya

[unique pasture]

lucky

ive hit pity twice

[paper gust]

Not really worth without monarch but with monarch he can reach +750k dps

[orchid relic]

Same

[unique pasture]

and the other 3 took me around 1.2k

[unique pasture]

kaguya is never getitng power crept 💔

[orchid relic]

Went to pity on aizen and jin mori

[unique pasture]

even without monarch hes op

[gloomy otter]

wait when is kaguya dipping?

[tribal ridge]

i mean yea shes a support

[tribal ridge]

8.5

[unique pasture]

dmg reduction multi and group ichigo thing

[crystal yew]

8,5 prob

[orchid relic]

Bro if the dandadan stage is a dungeon or raid jin mori is gonna be so fucking good

[gloomy otter]

yeah cba if they aint gonna change the grind aint grinding for her

[tribal ridge]

kaguya?

[paper gust]

I mean 200k dps with a good trait is solid, but def not close to 800k haha

[tribal ridge]

her grind is not changing

[unique pasture]

jinmori is not reaching 800k dps 😭

if you mean attack

yes

[gloomy otter]

so ur telling me im doing 1000 portals still?

why man wtf did i do

[unique pasture]

get a good birb

and trade it for her

[tribal ridge]

i think he can if you have every buffer in the game on him

[paper gust]

If you dont know how to use it then its not my problem

[unique pasture]

its 300k dps

i saw

with every group

[gloomy otter]

wtf is birb?

[unique pasture]

and buff

[crystal yew]

familiar

[unique pasture]

best familiar in game

from cid raid

if you have mon escanor clear in 4 mintues 30

[tribal ridge]

birb is the slot machine familiar

[unique pasture]

??

[gloomy otter]

whats the %?

[unique pasture]

busted

[paper gust]

I got almost 500k no familiar 4 supports, yt showcasers are just dumb asf

[gloomy otter]

like drop rate?

[tribal ridge]

3% to drop from act 2, good luck getting a good roll

[unique pasture]

dps or dmg stat bro??

[gloomy otter]

3%? does it got pity?

[tribal ridge]

no pity

just gambling

[gloomy otter]

yeah fuck that shit i aint doing all that work

[paper gust]

Dps (one clone alone)

[unique pasture]

dps is 151k 😭

[crystal yew]

jesus christ the teams mfs have in this game

[tribal ridge]

3 clones

[unique pasture]

3 clones thats 450k

unless

im mistaken

[unique pasture]

but its 5.4x

can the clones get that heavily buffed?

[tribal ridge]

yea

sell jinmori

its the whole gimick

[unique pasture]

yeahh so its 450k

[tribal ridge]

also look at the team comp
aot team = big dmg buffs

[paper gust]

40-50% cat, no monarch on ymir and thats an easy +700k dps lol

[unique pasture]

tbf its so much setup

[unique pasture]

do you mean group dps

[tribal ridge]

yea and jinmori is i think THE most expensive unit in the game without cost reduction shit

[crystal yew]

also whats the highest dps in game?

[paper gust]

Funny when jin mori is 1 placement

[unique pasture]

jin mori

[unique pasture]

bro hes not reaching 800k dps 💔

[paper gust]

You could fuck 1 clone and just upgrade the other 2 haha

[gloomy otter]

kaguya i think

[gloomy otter]

the moderation in this discord sucks ass

[tribal ridge]

does kaguya even beat gogeta in dps

[unique pasture]

no

yes

she does

111k

[gloomy otter]

i havent played since upd 5.5 chief

[unique pasture]

my gogeta gets to 120k with kaguya blast dimesnion buff

[gloomy otter]

or 5.0 idk

[paper gust]

He would but it would need the sheep familiar and insane cat

[gloomy otter]

i swear didnt she have some attack that killed every enemy in the map?

[paper gust]

The average is 600-700k dps

[tribal ridge]

escanor during ability is like 240k dps before even adding familiar

[tribal ridge]

her domains do mapwide dmg, and her nuke does 10x dmg mapwide

[orchid relic]

@tribal ridge do you think they would apply the same thing they did to kaguya and esconar nuke to jinwoo?

[crystal yew]

1000% dmg sth like that?

[tribal ridge]

what thing

[unique pasture]

insane

is that including burn

[unique pasture]

each nuke has smth special

[gloomy otter]

and jinmori is doing more dps then that?

[tribal ridge]

ye

[unique pasture]

escanor is in range

jinwoo bypass shield

kaguya full map

[orchid relic]

Basically if 2 ppl have kaguya they can both nuke, but jinwoo it’s only per match for everyone

[unique pasture]

oh that thing

[crystal yew]

is jin mori even lore accurate?

[tribal ridge]

the jinmori ss earlier was 450k dps withotu familiar

[tribal ridge]

sjw is already like that

every person can use each nuke once per match

[orchid relic]

What??

[unique pasture]

yeah

[gloomy otter]

the god of highschool is ass i think clones shit only idk abt the other

[tribal ridge]

yea his nukes are once per match per person

[orchid relic]

When was it changed

[tribal ridge]

always been like that

[unique pasture]

it was always like that

i remb when kaguya first came out it was local

[orchid relic]

I must be tripping then

[unique pasture]

and you could keep spamming the nuke

[tribal ridge]

i remember writing that on the wiki when he came out

[gloomy otter]

wtf do u mean without the familiar
dont tell me this mf is doing double damagae with the familiar

[hardy orchid]

No, not even with all 3 elements equipped.

[tribal ridge]

yea that was a oopsies bug

[tribal ridge]

well with a crazy good one its a little over 50% more dps

[unique pasture]

she does bro i swr

[crystal yew]

nobody watched it icl

[unique pasture]

mine does 111k

dps

my gogeta gets to 60k with blast buff

so thats 120k

but thats only when hes buffed

unless we're not adding dimension buffs

[gloomy otter]

A whole 50% extra dps?
yeah the devs must have been on crack for this shit

[tribal ridge]

is that kaguya dps during a boosted blast buff domain?

[hardy orchid]

That big damage number you see is not consistent

[unique pasture]

yes lemme get an ss rq

[unique pasture]

its consistent enough tho

[tribal ridge]

yea thats pretty inconsistant

[hardy orchid]

No

[unique pasture]

its like guatanteed

[orchid relic]

A good familiar literary boosted my kaguya dmg by 110k+

[unique pasture]

its not gonna be a random number each time

[tribal ridge]

thats 20 seconds of that dps every minute

[unique pasture]

ya

[hardy orchid]

Its 20 seconds every 90 seconds

[tribal ridge]

90?

[orchid relic]

She does like 950k with domai buff

[hardy orchid]

20+10

Domain cd

[tribal ridge]

do you need all 3 for boosted blast domain rotation?

[crystal yew]

950k? is bullshit is there any boss even with 2mill hp?

[tribal ridge]

its been so long since i tested her

and i havent even used her since i got her

[hardy orchid]

Youd need to go blast ice blast

[gloomy otter]

god gracious

[summer frigate]

with everything else its like close

[gloomy otter]

obv

[hardy orchid]

So ig not

[summer frigate]

gogeta does like 120k dps right

with clones

[paper gust]

Why would you use fire domain

[unique pasture]

this is my best birb

[gloomy otter]

i havent played the game in like 4 months and ik that

[tribal ridge]

yea so thats buffed domain every minute as long as you do it manually

[hardy orchid]

Ig yeah

[orchid relic]

Cat>

[tribal ridge]

90 is more accurate cuz who tf isnt running auto tho

[summer frigate]

I got something like this but my damage is low

[orchid relic]

[gloomy otter]

what is this bullshit im seeing

they is no downsides?

[tribal ridge]

all those rolls can be negative

[hardy orchid]

I gotta test how much the dps difference between auto and blast manual is. Off blast manual is better for support and shi

[tribal ridge]

its a lucky ass birb

[orchid relic]

no lmao familiars are broken as shit if u get a good one

[unique pasture]

i cant get a good cat

[hardy orchid]

Corrupt

[orchid relic]

luckily I got 2 good ones this event

[unique pasture]

i have 4 birbs just like that 😭

well 3

[unique pasture]

its corrupt 3 i got a shit percentage

[orchid relic]

Getting a good cat is easier than getting a good bird I think

[tribal ridge]

i only have 1 ):

[hardy orchid]

Gg

[tribal ridge]

then i have 4 birbs that are good dmg + range rolls

[unique pasture]

you gotta get lucky 5 times w a strange cat

[hardy orchid]

I have 3 great birbs and like 5 good ones who have 17+ damahe but mediocre everything elsem

[summer frigate]

the grind is annoying without escanor monarch

[tribal ridge]

i have like a 26 dmg 25 range birb
which is pretty nice

[unique pasture]

this is my highest raw birb

[unique pasture]

im so unlucky with birbs lmfao

5 birbs between all these cids

[summer frigate]

💀

[unique pasture]

i fused 5 btw

into diff units for exp

18 cids basically

[summer frigate]

this much got me 3

[unique pasture]

i have no shiny yet 😢

[summer frigate]

this is the one my future monarch kaguya has

[unique pasture]

holy shit

that would be good on jinwoo icl

[tribal ridge]

40 crit dmg holy

[unique pasture]

i got a crit build bird on both my jinwoos

[summer frigate]

meh not using him that much nowadays

[unique pasture]

youre gonna use him all the time with kaguya

vegita was so disspointing icl

vegito*

so much buildup for alright dps

[orchid relic]

It’s just a lack of game modes to use him

Same with buu

[unique pasture]

buu's candy stacks are such a pain

if you make assists count

he becomes meta

gokus swaps are good ig

mori abt to out dps 4 monarch vanguards 💔

he doesnt got immunity tho amirite

[summer frigate]

yeah no immunity

they need to have a guideline for immunity

cuz in the past units would just be like

this unit is IMMUNE TO ALL; 40% damage on 8th attack

[unique pasture]

:osob

😭

i remb gojo had that

[summer frigate]

suffered for no reason and a mechanic was immediately killed

[unique pasture]

yeahh

rip to that icl

bro i havent seen any immunity units besides byken

[sleek charm]

Shi

Lemme hop on mario maker 2

[unique pasture]

@tribal ridge how do i see infinite leaderboards

[tribal ridge]

profile

[unique pasture]

figured out how

can you like pitch in server suggestions ?

in the arx server there's like this team loadouts section

it's rlly useful

would be somerhing really healthy for this game

es specially for coming up with strategy's

I'll make a suggestion for it in a bit

[tribal ridge]

theres not as much of a need for teambuilding channel in the way arx has
but ngl thats not a bad idea

[unique pasture]

Js wanted to know if anyone has said anything about this beforeb

[unique pasture]

yeah arx you need it

but like I saw ppl asking abt aot raid

cause alotnof ppl skipped it

so like it would be nice

showing diff strats ppl made

[tribal ridge]

trying to figure out equipment and souls in arx without just copying loadouts would be awful

[unique pasture]

yeah it'd be horrendous

ill make a suggestion for it

let's hope we can get that in

just helps the community more

[winged carbon]

Idk how it’ll be in this game tbh

It’s mostly straight forward

Maybe something for update days where no one knows wtf is going on

[tribal ridge]

its just a nice lil thing to help noobs

theres alot of ppl in questions asking for wl teams

[wide harness]

there's no teambuilding, there's just teams built only with meta units or monarch units

[unique pasture]

there is team building in arx 😭

Certain gears and souls

[unique pasture]

ya

but like I've noticed people wanting teams for aot

[wide harness]

i mean here

idk about teambuilding in arx

[unique pasture]

or tryna speed run best times for certain stuff

I'm also wondering about leaderboard infinite runs

[wide harness]

i dropped it on the tokyo ghoul upd

[unique pasture]

idk what units to bring at all besides cid

it could also be a nice way

for ppl to form teams for other shit

like tournament

[wide harness]

speedruns is just placing the meta units faster

[unique pasture]

makes ppl less reliant

[unique pasture]

you could say that for everything 😭

for aot best method is rumbling

i don't see how this could be negative icl

[wide harness]

back in my day, we had to place rare sosuke faster

[unique pasture]

js helps ppl

[wide harness]

burn breaks shield

[unique pasture]

yeah I remb

killua igris sjw

[wide harness]

then ppl got alucard so they just spam the shit out of it on the tourney

[wide harness]

alucard meta tourney that day

I was ahead of the curve

too ahead

ppl sniped my time

and didnt get nothing

[unique pasture]

ive yet to get alu

[wide harness]

ive got sum, you want?

[unique pasture]

yh

[summer frigate]

does kaguya nuke work on statues

it does

might be the best unit just for that

[meager fjord]

just use the mini nuke

[raven lynx]

hard to read if ya just talk like this eh?

we'd love it if we could do that but any time we do any sort of difficult content for manual play it always goes over poorly

[summer frigate]

cuz its tedious and dookie

[summer frigate]

h

[summer frigate]

just realized this is the owner\

[candid tendon]

😭😭 😭

i wonder if they read my portal suggestion

[lilac vector]

Yeah because y’all keep listening to the new players

[raven lynx]

listen to the majority

thats justt how it is

want to make the game I want but I also gotta concede

[mighty bear]

kazi can u pls say 67

[raven lynx]

no

[mighty bear]

fuck

[lilac vector]

Or just add a level requirement so new players don’t use it as a excuse

[haughty sequoia]

pyseph on top of the list

[lilac vector]

I don’t know why they keep trying to do end game content when they are not at that level

[haughty sequoia]

love to see it

[candid tendon]

15k vs 80k what would you rather want

[lilac vector]

The game can’t be too easy

That’s all I’m saying

[raven lynx]

nah

its not newe players

its casuals

casuals can be level 100 and not be that goodn at the game

or

they could be good

but not want to put effort into a chill genre

[candid tendon]

whats this even mean

[raven lynx]

most people tryna play for a chill time unfortunately

[haughty sequoia]

give me fire, give me will, give me zangetsu or i retire

anuyways

[raven lynx]

even if we add optional difficult modes its still too much

[lilac vector]

Man I really hate casual players

Always wanting the game to be easy

[candid tendon]

if you want to be competitive and strategize play more pvp and tournys 🤪

[mighty bear]

67

[candid tendon]

whats 67

i see it everywhere 💔

[urban trellis]

69

[summer frigate]

Check out my suggestions goat

[candid tendon]

what is this image bruh 😭

[wide harness]

holy shit you're right i thought it's some rando

[wide harness]

you guys should add more things to do in lobby to chill. The lobby is big but not a lot to do.

[candid tendon]

what do you want in there

[wide harness]

Lemme think

Since a lot of people tend to scatter randomly in the map

How about customization?

The lobby already looks like a mall

Most customization is the emotes which is concentrated either by haruka npc or trophy room

If there are more customizations, coins would also have a bit more use

[lost kite]

can you link the top

[wide harness]

Dang mobile doesnt have the button to go to the top

[lost kite]

yeah

[wide harness]

Anyway cosmetics that aren’t unit-based would be cool

[lost kite]

I found a way

personally I think this is great

[wide harness]

Ooh hiw

[lost kite]

av has gotten to the point where the units they’re adding and the content they’re adding makes no sense

why is kaguya doing 8m on her nuke when the hardest boss in the whole game (hp wise) has 20

that’s half his hp

and the next highest is what like 12m on the nuclear giants

[candid tendon]

are you saying the nuke should do more?

[lost kite]

no

im saying that a unit from 6.5 shouldn’t solo the game practically

[orchid relic]

what you guys did with aot was amazing, but I feel people just found it very monotonous to get update units to clear the new update stage for a unit let’s face it is very niche, maybe you guys could do something with elements in legend stages, and people can use the designated buffed element for the stage

[candid tendon]

for a unit that takes 130 hours to get i’d say it should solo the game 😭

[lost kite]

don’t really get why they’re blaming the “hard” stages for 6.0 and 7.0 doing bad

[orchid relic]

dude legend stage aot act 3 enemies literally have 30k hp on like wave 4

you NEED a monarch to beat it

[lost kite]

most people get kaguya wayy before that, personally I got her after like 20-30 hours and I was semi-unlucky

[lost kite]

I feel like that was fine

IF

they made Eren an easier drop from that stage

aot did bad because the units were ass, and Ymir’s quest was incredibly boring/annoying imo

gg did bad because (even if I love it) the community didn’t and some of the units were on the worse side

[orchid relic]

gg literally did better than aot

[lost kite]

never said that it didn’t

I’m saying they both did relatively bad ccu wise

but I feel like that’s unfair to blame hard content

on that

[orchid relic]

hard content was a big part of it

[lost kite]

5.5 did pretty well and I’d say cid is hard content

[orchid relic]

you can’t deny that

[worldly bison]

didnt do well

[orchid relic]

they’ve made monarch and vanguards way easier since

[lost kite]

hard content was an issue because there was no alternative

CHIMPS is a good example of good hard content

you don’t have to do chimps, but you can

[orchid relic]

wtf is chimps

[lost kite]

and it gives extra rewards prestige etc for doing it

BTD6

[orchid relic]

ohh

[lost kite]

probably the most popular tower defense of all time 😭

it’s their hardest mode

[candid tendon]

even then i see no issue with her beating a stage that came out an update before her release, since astolfo was before spring right?

[lost kite]

if you want to get byeken you need to do the EX stage

if you want to (reasonably) get Eren, you need to do the ex stage

stages can be hard, and require monarchs/proper teams, but the alternative grind for worse players needs to be atleast manageable

[candid tendon]

140 act 3 stages or 20 ex stages

[lost kite]

aot came out after her

[orchid relic]

yeah 75 pity for a 1% drop is kind of outrageous

[lost kite]

exactly my point

why tf is it so low

75 pity

1%

doesn’t even make sense numerically

[candid tendon]

igris is 200 pity

their pities are half assed

[orchid relic]

difficult should be there, but I think pity should be lowered to like 35 for eren

[lost kite]

I feel like (even if ALS is bad) ALS’ dungeons are perfect examples of relatively hard content

and survival

[worldly bison]

because no ones spending 8 hours on one unit

[weak palm]

its 75 in boss rush at least (which is still kinda wild)

[lost kite]

that’s what I’m saying though

people didn’t like the EX stages because you had to do them, or the grind was unbearably long if you didn’t

I love AV, but hard content in games like this is what makes grinding fun

[orchid relic]

What we saying is the lower stages feel worthless since ex stages are so much better, but they’re basically impossible for an average player therefore demotivating them

[orchid relic]

yea als dungeons are amazing

you can select the difficulty you want for the boosted rewards

[lost kite]

yeah

EX stages in AV are literally like

if you had ALL or NONE of the modifiers on

[candid tendon]

and the optional debuffs for more rewards is way better then dealing bs mechanics

[lost kite]

like yeah, a new player can’t do all modifiers on the shinra dungeon

[weak palm]

so you're saying we should copy als

[orchid relic]

make a unit with the passive “immune to all of valks bullshit” 🙏✌️

[lost kite]

als isn’t the first game to think of that though

[candid tendon]

ALS does some things good believe it or not

[lost kite]

is elemental reactions now an als copy

I guess it is

[weak palm]

everything is an adopt me copy now