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[plush umbra]

NO

[willow patio]

this man wants escanor to be outclassed by mythic from banner in 3 updates

[plush umbra]

would be funny

i want that

[willow patio]

yeah go play als

if you want that kind of powercreep

[plush umbra]

im not going to discuss about it
only im telling you be prepare for the amount of people who are going to shit on your suggestion

😭

[willow patio]

nah

explain yourself

why you dont want this in game

[plush umbra]

because we will never get it

already declined

[willow patio]

devs doesnt respond to suggestions

[somber forum]

Because it's an intentional weakness because burn breaking shields was way too strong.

[plush umbra]

here goes nether

[somber forum]

I'm not going in depth on this

It's literally just as simple as that

There has to have been like a dozen "let escanor burn shields" suggestions or something like that

[plush umbra]

nether always camp on suggestions about burn affecting shields ngl

[willow patio]

yeah but vangurads supposed to be relative for many updates, whats the point of crazy dps if he will be outclassed by mythic from banner?

[somber forum]

???

You know there are like

[willow patio]

devs already made vanguards without weaknesses, why they switch now?

[somber forum]

other units in the game

you have 6 slots on a team

[somber forum]

Yeah, and that was very clearly a mistake given the complaints

[stoic shale]

escanor needs a weakness or he'll solo the entire game

[willow patio]

noone complained about sung jin woo

[stoic shale]

units need weaknesses

[somber forum]

Yes they did

lmfao

[stoic shale]

stop complaining that the singular best unit in the game isnt strong enough btw

[willow patio]

same was with jin woo, he soloed entire game back in the days

[somber forum]

People didn't like that because of how boring and stale it was

It was unhealthy for the game in some regards

[deft rover]

Shields block burn in real life

[willow patio]

nah honestly, im not complaining about that he isnt strong enough, this weakness is just annyoing, id prefer lower dps in exchange for ability to damage shields

[deft rover]

So it don't make any sense

for burn to bypass shields

[regal steppe]

you can always bring a shield breaker

[somber forum]

Too bad, he was designed as a higher dps character that has very obvious and intentional weaknesses that are VERY easy to play around

[willow patio]

then whats the point in bringing escanor? his main feature is that he is solo on the team

[willow patio]

i can agree with that, but

[regal steppe]

for dps?????

[somber forum]

It's called an option

[willow patio]

in exchange they made EX stages that cant be soloed even with full monarch team

[somber forum]

You don't have to use it all the time

[somber forum]

That was literally only GG EX

Which was acknowledged as a design mistake

[plush umbra]

how do we tell bro

💔

[willow patio]

nowadays grind is even easier cuz of new infinite

you can literally put a unit upgrade it 2 times and restart on wave 10

[somber forum]

Okay?

What does that have to do with anything

[willow patio]

its even unhealthier than before

[somber forum]

It's for a seasonal event

And isn't much better off than playing the mode through normally or doing portals

[willow patio]

it makes portals useless

[somber forum]

Not really

[willow patio]

because in portals you need to do something and get same rewards as infinite

[somber forum]

You still get plenty of chests, especially with MVP

it's not like portals are hard

[willow patio]

only reason to do portals is for leo quest

[willow patio]

in most cases they give green stones, not much of a boost

and in infinite you get sunshines which you also can exchange for chests

[somber forum]

[regal steppe]

If escanor could just solo the entire game with no team then he would make the game beyond boring, think about that

[somber forum]

I still fail to see how that's a valid comparison of unhealthiness over a unit that's immune to most every mechanic in the game, has % max hp summons and will likely always remain relevant in some capacity because of that

[willow patio]

you get resources from it, chips, rerolls, evo resources, Devs wanted to make more active gameplay but instead they turn it into afk simulator, if they want to make game more interesting they should start from modes instead of units

[somber forum]

Because people complain when they try to make active gameplay.

[willow patio]

jin woo was even better

[somber forum]

It's a seasonal event

Might as well lean into it being more casual.

[willow patio]

because they make it annoying

[somber forum]

Regardless, circling back to the original point, Escanor was purposefully designed to struggle against shields.

And it's staying that way.

[regal steppe]

you at least have to manually upgrade him or occasionally summon shadows but with escanor you just burn 5 slots and leave the game on auto pilot

[willow patio]

yeah i understand it, ill delete suggestion when i finish with my thoughts about game

[regal steppe]

If thats the case als might be the game for you ngl

[willow patio]

you cant do it without monarch in most gamemodes

[willow patio]

thanks no, i dont want to play a game that cant be played without glitched/avatar

[willow patio]

dio over heaven fan 😔

[vast tusk]

shh

im only doing it for ragebait

[willow patio]

respect twin

[willow patio]

i just thought devs still was on idea that vangurads should be ultimate units without weaknesses as it was every vanguard before escanor and after diavolo

if they changed their opinions then its fine i guess

just

[mortal terrace]

yhwach has 0 weaknesses and isnt a vanguard

[willow patio]

dont think im mindless drone as other suggestions, i didnt want to make escanor even stronger, i wanted to get rid of annoying weakness in exchange for nerfs

[willow patio]

thats why they shadownerfed him

and said it was "math calculation bug"

[mortal terrace]

what shadow nerf

[willow patio]

he was doing way more damage on release

then they changed it and nerfed him

[mortal terrace]

bro that was game breaking

[somber forum]

He still does more damage than he's supposed to

[willow patio]

yeah they said it was unintended

[somber forum]

I don't remember him ever getting shadow nerfed

He has a bug but if we fixed it at this point people would lose their shit

[regal steppe]

resilient enemies exist, but ig you could just bring a lucy

[willow patio]

but how it was unintended when they had testers i still dont know

[willow patio]

didnt they say that its fixed

[vast tusk]

The bug was that

[somber forum]

no?

[vast tusk]

his ability had no cap to it

or smth

[somber forum]

The main bug with him as that he literally does double attacks

[willow patio]

i only remember people complain about igris nerf when devs also said that igris damage was unintended

[somber forum]

oh, that

It wasn't that it didn't have a cap

It was that it affected allied units

[willow patio]

isnt it part of his passive?

[somber forum]

Self debuffs should never do that, which means he shouldn't have benefitted from it

No

His passive is that he's supposed to just do a couple extra instances of single target damage

[willow patio]

like he repeats his attack on last unit within range

[somber forum]

Not do double full aoe attacks

[willow patio]

yeah i was saying about his damage, not double attack bug

[willow patio]

i thought he attack single target from the start

thats interesting

[somber forum]

No, he's been double attacks since release

[novel cosmos]

i’m gonna lose it bro

[somber forum]

But it's been in long enough and is just manageable enough that it's just a feature now

[novel cosmos]

ANOTHER ONE

[willow patio]

alright, thanks for your time, ill delete suggestion now

[willow patio]

dont read suggestions atp if you cant respond like nether