make escanor multi hit on later upgrades

[keen shoal]

i'm gonna be honest , there s no point in him upgrading himself and gaining hour stacks if used alone when he only does 1 hit 💔 if the enemies have like 5 shield it s so over

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[upper pagoda]

So just don't use him alone against enemies with shields

[coarse nest]

but escanor does multi hit though

[grizzled frigate]

why would escanor have multi hit on later upg if he does 1M+ dmg w monarch

just dont use him alone and that its

[coarse nest]

he already have multi hit though

[kind fable]

so you just want completely busted vanguards who have 0 weaknesses ?

[coarse nest]

he has 0 weaknesses though

[viscid aurora]

Shields are his weakness

Hence why he's balanced

[coarse nest]

he multi hit though wdym

[nocturne acorn]

they meant his last upg

[coarse nest]

no they meant his later upgrades

[nocturne acorn]

???

[coarse nest]

later upgrades bro

stupid boy

[keen shoal]

then what s the point of the auto uprgade passive

[keen shoal]

are we acting like kaguya and vsjw have weaknesses ?

[radiant parrot]

The point is that you can use it in stages that dont have shield?

[keen shoal]

such a crappy ability then , i want something that works every time in a vanguard unit

[radiant parrot]

"I want the top 5 unit to be even stronger!!"

Okay gang

[nocturne acorn]

💀 💀

[molten bronze]

are we acting like they were good and healthy design

[radiant parrot]

Mfs asking for escanor buffs are the same mfs who will be crying abt new units being way weaker than vanguards in a month

Which is prolly gonna be the case regardless but why do you imbeciles want to make the disparity even larger

[versed thistle]

If they have shields just use a shield breaker

Simple

He's already busted

He's fine as is

[radiant parrot]

Exactly lmao you can max gogeta in all maps post shibuya ls

You can easily max escanor

[versed thistle]

And just coz vsjw and kagyya don't have weaknesses don't mean escanor can't have weaknesses

Gogeta had weaknesses

Nobody complained

[radiant parrot]

Vsjw had a weakness with depleted and people didnt like it so yeah

[versed thistle]

Coz that's dumb hes unknown he should be unaffected

[coarse nest]

is vsjw and kaguya even that strong there are maps that im forced to use something else

[radiant parrot]

Not gonna act like vsjw isnt broken but he also doesnt do 250k peak dps. Escanor having that dps alongside other things would make him too overwhelming.

[radiant parrot]

It is still a weakness

Just very few enemies have depleted

Also not really it makes sense imo

[versed thistle]

They are 2 most useful units

[radiant parrot]

Unknown element doesnt bypass things like yhwach dodge either, or damage resistance.

Same for depleted. Its not a status. It is an enemy mutation that you gotta deal with.

[versed thistle]

That's different from depleted

[coarse nest]

if anything i prefer escanor over kaguya

[versed thistle]

Depleted directly debuffs the unit

Like energy drain

[radiant parrot]

Its not a debuff

The meter isnt a stat

[versed thistle]

Kaguya can teleport

Oh wait depleted

[coarse nest]

you can't control it though

[radiant parrot]

"Stat debuff" means the lowering of a stat. Meters are a unit mechanic

[versed thistle]

Idk why I thought depleted was blinded 😭

[radiant parrot]

Oh lol

Unknown is immune to that shit

As it should be

[molten bronze]

Unknown is immune to debuffs and status effects. Depleted is neither, it’s just an on-hit reaction

[radiant parrot]

Close ts already

[humble forge]

But i do agree with kaguya tho, her downsides arent big enough

She should have been more expensive to place on release

Now its too late

[radiant parrot]

Her "downside" is needing vsjw on the team, i guess. Which is non existent but yeah

[molten bronze]

Needing team thought really isn't a downside at all tbh

[winter raven]

I needed a laugh

[radiant parrot]

Ik, i said its non existent. Maybe itll be relevant when vsjw becomes off meta by 2027

[odd belfry]

thats too soon

[odd belfry]

you'd be stupid to not run on vsjw on every team, you could even bring monarch cid which uh has 2 elements

pls monarch cid

[radiant parrot]

Im aware

Kaguya doesnt really have a weakness

That is very true

[odd belfry]

Saying kaguya has a weakness is stupid

Very stupid 😭

Escanir dint need a buff aswell, js bring kaguya w him and uts wraps

No need to worry abo7t shields kr shit

[molten bronze]

tbh I just never care about vsjw

[radiant parrot]

I said its non existent buddy

Stupid bum.

[odd belfry]

Ik biddy 😭

When did I say u said otherwise

Can't even agree w ppl nowadays

U can't see the brain part but yeah

[odd belfry]

Grinding for my 2nd vsjw rn, been farming for a week, almost done js gotta do the 5k summons and sacrifice a igris

[odd belfry]

I have 2 different versions of this gif 😭

[kind fable]

that’s why they’re tryna balance vanguards more than rather have them dominate the meta

[gentle cliff]

i get why escanor has a weakness

but then why make the last 2 vanguards have none

and like

[versed thistle]

Diavolo and gogeta have weaknesses

[gentle cliff]

devs say "oh that was a mistake/that wasnt good" but THEY made them bro

like they talking as if someone else did

[radiant parrot]

Yeah, they made a mistake

Only thing they can do now is not repeat it

[gentle cliff]

yeah i said last two

[radiant parrot]

Which they didnt.

[gentle cliff]

before escanor

[gentle cliff]

guess so

[radiant parrot]

Theres nothing else they can do, really.

[gentle cliff]

nope

[molten bronze]

VSJW’s “weakness” is that his raw damage is kinda mid in all honesty

It’s not bad but

[radiant parrot]

Its ight

[molten bronze]

It’s probably the quickest thing to fall out of relevance for him

[radiant parrot]

Doesnt really matter when bear spam exists, and when the summons have as much hp as they do

[radiant parrot]

True ig

[molten bronze]

Bear spam is so sweaty though and really only matters for a comp setting

It could be gone in an instant but they want it to stay ig

But also yeah, % max hp summons are a mistake

But they couldn’t exactly make vsjw without them, considering that was the hole the original unit had dug

[radiant parrot]

Even the elite summons have pretty substantial hp relative to everything in the game atm

[molten bronze]

Well yeah

Enemies have been far behind unit strength for a while

And gradually had been catching up

[hybrid vigil]

maybe, just MAYBE dont use escanor if theres shield enemies

[upper pagoda]

maybe, just maybe dont use escanor as the only unit on your team if theres shield enemies
its not like he needs the free placement+upgrades to be good

[radiant parrot]

Legit.

Apparently the 200k+ peak dps self cleanse unit ain't good enough

[odd belfry]

can some1 js kill me for even chasing monarch on vsjw

should've js went w deadeye

its his best trait anyway

[radiant parrot]

??

Okay buddy

Monarch vsjw is still top 3 for all progressives

[odd belfry]

i wont even upg him when i got kaguya and esca on my team

they r sm better

[molten bronze]

deadeye will stay prevalent longer

Even if he starts consuming extra mana per arise summon sooner

3 sources of %max hp summons are better than one

[lilac kettle]

"remove escanors only downside"

[lilac kettle]

actually prob not tbh

mon kaguya and esca are above him

and then jin mori and yhwach

THEN vsjw or maybe cid above him

they are kinda equal in progressives

but mon vsjw is either #5 or #6

[radiant parrot]

No.

Its yhwach, vsjw, kaguya.

[lilac kettle]

me when i lie dude

monarch vsjw got shifted out of meta with the release of kaguya and escanor

objectively better nukers

and if u need summons then deadeye is just significantly better for that

kaguya is prob the #1 progressive unit regardless

so you putting her in 3rd says enough about your knowledge of the game

[radiant parrot]

Top 1000 in all lbs talking

Yes gang you right

You know more than me

[lilac kettle]

top 1000 isnt anything my guy...

[radiant parrot]

You know more than kamui too, the lead tester who makes the wiki tl

Yeah, thats the point, im calling you that

[lilac kettle]

seeing as how he put dave above ichigo when he first made the list, he can absolutely be wrong sometimes

and even if we include the wiki tier list, vsjw is still below kaguya

so ur still wrong

[radiant parrot]

"Shows enough about your knowledge" i could get several t12 wl players or inf lb players here but

Not worth

Believe whatever you wanna believe, ig.

[lilac kettle]

the tier list you mentioned btw

[radiant parrot]

Okay? 3 is closer to 2 than 6 is 💀

[lilac kettle]

realistically he shouldnt even be in the broken tier anymore

but its taking the units in a vacuum

[radiant parrot]

Yeah okay

[lilac kettle]

not their team potential

[radiant parrot]

Ragebait

[lilac kettle]

dvsjw is just has significantly higher versatility than mvsjw

[upper pagoda]

vsjw fits on basically any team due to arise, and is a must on any hard progressive stage due to bear spam

[radiant parrot]

Me when i realize that bear spam is still the single strongest boss killing tool in progressives

[lilac kettle]

yea but thats just better with deadeye than monarch

[upper pagoda]

for bear spam no

[radiant parrot]

Oh yeah bear spam is better with de

[upper pagoda]

for arise yea

[radiant parrot]

Right.

[lilac kettle]

not the bears part, but kaguya solves any potential leaks in hard progressive

[radiant parrot]

Uh huh, nobody uses vsjw in wl lb

True

[lilac kettle]

for TEAMS, deadeye is significantly better

[radiant parrot]

😭

[upper pagoda]

so DE vsjw is pointless cuz of kaguya
and monarch is good cuz of bear spam

[lilac kettle]

DE vsjw can be used for bosses way better than kaguya's leak stopping capabilities

if u have mon kaguya, u dont need mon vsjw

but u still do want dvsjw

[radiant parrot]

Speaking to speak

[upper pagoda]

bear spam is better at boss killing than arise in progressives

[upper pagoda]

especially when the hardest bosses have absorption

[lilac kettle]

i mean realistically speaking the only progressives you'd need to use vsjw in at all is the ex stages

[upper pagoda]

and wl

aka the hard stuff

[lilac kettle]

thats not a progressive

progressive = story and legend stages

[upper pagoda]

wl is a progressive

[lilac kettle]

thats under the category of a leaderboard

not progressive

since u only get valuable rewards if u place in a certain position

just like all lbs

[radiant parrot]

Oh so the way to measure units' strengths should be stages that traitless upd 5 units can real.

Fire.

[lilac kettle]

i mean you can try beating the newer legend stages with those

good luck

[upper pagoda]

you can prob beat the newer legend stages using rem as the main dps

i know you can beat guilty gear with just rem + farms

[lilac kettle]

traitless idk

[upper pagoda]

yes traitless

[lilac kettle]

the buu leg stages would be very hard for her

[radiant parrot]

Literally can lol the hardest thing is the 2m hp regen boss and it is slow as shit and you have several good placement spots

[upper pagoda]

1 upfront to kill yomo, rest in back to avoid getting drained

[lilac kettle]

still, their regen is just so high that idk if she does enough

[upper pagoda]

you need bleed

[plush cargo]

everyone coping abt escanor but my goat diavolo still buns 💔

[upper pagoda]

unless you oneshot buu you need bleed

[upper pagoda]

be happy with no longer being a garten of banban lover

[lilac kettle]

he does need a buff

much more than escanor

[plush cargo]

title doesnt even let us speak in chat 💔

[upper pagoda]

does it not?

[upper pagoda]

lol

[plush cargo]

bugs out in matches and removes your abillity to speak

[upper pagoda]

what happened to the gradient on it

[lilac kettle]

which kaguya traitless can do im fairly certain

[upper pagoda]

well yea she has a nuke

one of the best nukes in the game scalingwise

[lilac kettle]

and escanor can prob too

[plush cargo]

also gets removed upon joining a match

[upper pagoda]

how much hp do boo bosses have in the ls

more than 1M and idk if escanor could kill em traitless

[lilac kettle]

he has like 250k dmg in the one mode traitless

i believe

[upper pagoda]

ye

[lilac kettle]

so yea idk

[upper pagoda]

so nuke hits 1M

at best like 1.4M before they can regen if you time it really well

and if he doesnt oneshot the bosses regen like 20% per second

[radiant parrot]

Funny thing is monarch esc might not even solo the stage since you just 1 shot yomos and never cleanse. Ofc you can place and resell spam but i found it kinda funny lol.

[lilac kettle]

you absolutely cleanse

[upper pagoda]

wha

[radiant parrot]

You dont cleanse if you 1 shot

[upper pagoda]

just hit other enemies that you dont oneshot

like the boss

[lilac kettle]

plus the drain isnt - infinite % dmg

[upper pagoda]

or just be in hour 12

[radiant parrot]

Yeah hour 12 is an easy counter

[lilac kettle]

hes also forgetting its not infinite dmg reduction

[upper pagoda]

yea escanor dmg buffs a fuck ton

[lilac kettle]

just having even 1 hour makes escanor be able to cleanse

[upper pagoda]

the energy drain doesnt do much anyways

[radiant parrot]

Oh yeah 70% and shit

True

[upper pagoda]

he gets like 3x dmg buff and loses 70

[radiant parrot]

Yeah thats me being forgetful

Not like im using him there anyway

[upper pagoda]

not like im playing LOG

[lilac kettle]

tbh kaguya should just be the overall #1 unit

[radiant parrot]

No.

[lilac kettle]

if the only reason yhwach is up there is cuz of WL, then thats a dumb reason

[radiant parrot]

Only 1 unit solos gg ex 4

And it aint kaguya

[lilac kettle]

shes just objectively better in every other mode besides WL

[upper pagoda]

kaguya is a great unit for casual stuff
on hard content shes more of a support

[lilac kettle]

well technically yhwach isnt solo if ur placing a bunch of fodder units...

and once again, if its 2 specific things that shes worse at then she is still the overall #1 unit

[upper pagoda]

well yea no unit can solo GG ex by themselves cuz of armored

[radiant parrot]

You can use kaguya alongside any support youd want and nothing changes

[radiant parrot]

Tournaments

Wl

Hard stages

[lilac kettle]

3 things?

[upper pagoda]

all the important stuff

[radiant parrot]

Every challenging activity??

[lilac kettle]

kaguya is absolutely better in all non-WL and tournament stages

besides like maybe AOT boss rush

[radiant parrot]

Okay she can bully 10k hp enemies more easily

[upper pagoda]

if its a stage that is remotely hard, yhwach is the answer

[radiant parrot]

Sure

[lilac kettle]

and thats a MAYBE

[lilac kettle]

what do you count as remotely hard

cuz this is considering them both with monarch

[kind fable]

shield ain’t that big of an issue just use toji monarch

[lilac kettle]

not traitless

[radiant parrot]

She aint even better shes just easier to use

Yhwach will always be better

[upper pagoda]

ex stages, tournament, wl mainly
rest of the game is pretty easy

[lilac kettle]

ex stages i'd definitely put kaguya above yhwach

ur not limited to high placement units

aka u can use other monarchs

[radiant parrot]

Kaguya vsjw would also just not solo gg ex 4 lol

[lilac kettle]

and yea yhwach being better in exclusively tournaments and WL should not put him above kaguya overall

that makes no sense

[radiant parrot]

You wouldnt even have enough money to max kaguya and another monarch

[kind fable]

should I still be going for monarch on zid im on 800 rerolls💔

[lilac kettle]

????

what kinda runs are you doing where u have no farm?

[upper pagoda]

not really

[radiant parrot]

But ranking units based on how easily they 1 shot story stage enemies makes sense?

[upper pagoda]

cid is cool and all but i wouldnt focus on him

[radiant parrot]

Have you even played an ex stage or

[lilac kettle]

ive solod all of them

so

[lilac kettle]

especially with the berserk update around the corner

i could def see guts or griffith as an unknown unit

[radiant parrot]

And you think you have enough eco to make kaguya and vsjw..?

[shadow veldt]

i mean if hes already 800 rrs deep might aswell get monarch its not like cid is bad he has unknown, 2 nukes and pairs up well with kaguya

[lilac kettle]

deadeye vsjw? absolutely

[kind fable]

who would you say are top 5 units rn

[lilac kettle]

and why are you acting like kaguya is expensive?

[upper pagoda]

eh depends on how hardcore they are at farming rrs

[lilac kettle]

150k in a 20 wave gamemode is nothing

u can easily get 300k+

[radiant parrot]

Its not a 20 wave mode..?

[upper pagoda]

yhwach kaguya vsjw escanor wukong

[radiant parrot]

😭

[lilac kettle]

am i misremembering

[radiant parrot]

Didnt know ex stages were 20 waves mb gang.

[lilac kettle]

its been a while since ive done leg stages

[upper pagoda]

byken/invincible i could also see replacing wukong but depends on alot fo factors

[upper pagoda]

they are all 15

[lilac kettle]

the hell was i thinking about then

[upper pagoda]

part of the reason yhwach is so good for them

[radiant parrot]

Rifts?

[lilac kettle]

but regardless u can definitely max kaguya and place 3 deadeye vsjws in 15 waves

[lilac kettle]

those are 30

[upper pagoda]

arent rifts 30

[radiant parrot]

Rifts are 20

[lilac kettle]

OH portals

[radiant parrot]

Boss rushes are 30

[lilac kettle]

rifts are also 30

portals are 20

[radiant parrot]

No bro

[molten bronze]

rifts are 20

[upper pagoda]

oh wait they are

i forgot

[lilac kettle]

why do they feel like they take forever

[molten bronze]

I literally did a rift earlier today

[upper pagoda]

its been like a month since ive done a rift

[lilac kettle]

same but i just placed kaguya and put an autoclicker on upgrade and walked away 💀

[kind fable]

idk why ppl act like toji doesn’t exist bro can bypass shield so easily with full aoe to

[lilac kettle]

cuz hes a limited time unit from a long time ago

and he gets outscaled by even the weakest units of newer updates

and its not like we get 100 shield enemies

[upper pagoda]

cuz it involves using more than 1 singular unit

theres genuinely no stage where enemies have enough shields to make toji worth bringing

[lilac kettle]

yea thats what im sayin

and even then...

4 newsmans could break 100 shield pretty quick

[upper pagoda]

like for the 30 shield bosses just use cid or fubuki or newsman

[versed thistle]

Toji

Just use toji

[lilac kettle]

it'd need to legit be a 1000 shield enemy for toji to be useful

[upper pagoda]

or use the unit that has way more utility and can break shields well

[versed thistle]

Doesn't toji remove all shields

That he hits

[upper pagoda]

yea

[kind fable]

yea but if they added more shield ppl who don’t got toji would complain

[lilac kettle]

yea but newsman applies a 50% slow along with being a crazy shieldbreaker

[versed thistle]

Just use him with escanor

Ez win

[upper pagoda]

no free placement + auto upgrade

[lilac kettle]

the point is that hes phased out of meta

[upper pagoda]

which is the whole reason people want multihit

[versed thistle]

Not having toji is just a skill issue

[lilac kettle]

which is the dumbest thing tbh

"he cant be good at literally everything by himself"

🥲

[versed thistle]

True they should make escanor cheaper with each slot burned

[kind fable]

fr bro he’s been in the game since update 1 and left in update 3-4 I think

[versed thistle]

Like 20% cheaper per slot

Then full slots becomes free

[versed thistle]

Yeah

[lilac kettle]

then what abt auto upgrade

the main point of escanor is placing him and not manually upgrading him

not that hes cheap

[versed thistle]

Auto upgrade when everything is burned

[kind fable]

av hates auto upgrade

I doubt they would add it even for a vanguard

[versed thistle]

But also cheaper so that u can bring sm1 else and he is still cheap

[lilac kettle]

im talking about esca's passive

which IS auto upgrade

[upper pagoda]

80% discount would prob allow you to max faster than all slots burnt
that sounds like it could create a awful meta

[lilac kettle]

fr

[upper pagoda]

esc has it

[lilac kettle]

80% discount then newsman

or kaguya

[upper pagoda]

or a farm

[lilac kettle]

broken meta

[lilac kettle]

nah no real use for that

[versed thistle]

Ok maybe it does 1 upgrade every 2 waves?

[lilac kettle]

u get enough money from kills to max out a -80% cost esca

[kind fable]

yea but at the cost of all your units an 80% discount along with auto upgrade would be crazy

[lilac kettle]

yea but the entire point of esca is its either "all or nothing"

not "all or some"

[upper pagoda]

yea the intention behind the design was burn 0 slots or burn all of em

[lilac kettle]

thats prob why he has a shield weakness too

in groups he is by far the most broken unit in the game

[upper pagoda]

it is

[lilac kettle]

3 mon escas with 1 kaguya and newsmans

clears any content with ease

[upper pagoda]

even without all burnt slots hes still a insane ass dps, and only slightly more expensive than kaguya

[lilac kettle]

buffs + nuker + shieldbreak + slows

[lilac kettle]

legit 1 wave of farms more cost

nothing

[upper pagoda]

and then you get like 240k dps without including familiar

[lilac kettle]

the only thing higher dps wise is jin mori

[kind fable]

escanor being able to solo zid raids is so goated he’s the best for birb grinds

[upper pagoda]

and mori needs the entire team built around him + he costs more

[lilac kettle]

you dont know the jin mori tech to make him cheaper than kaguya 💔

but yea u do need orihime or al

al preferably

[upper pagoda]

you mean just using ymir + aurin + padoru to discount?

[shadow veldt]

ppl saw the "solo" mechanic and dont want to use him if hes not solo

[lilac kettle]

just aurin

aurin makes it so him + all his clones is 148k

[upper pagoda]

just aurin makes him 50k cheaper?

[lilac kettle]

hold on let me test it again rq

just to make sure

oh i might have had midas at the time of my calculations

but ill do them again once i finish my chal

[upper pagoda]

i mean you should always be running ymir on him anyways
thats a pretty good discount too

[lilac kettle]

ehhh

i got other uses for slots

[upper pagoda]

100% buff + a discount isnt worth bringing?

actually more like 140% buff

[lilac kettle]

i usually bring hercool instead

[lilac kettle]

and its not quite 140%

cuz none of the clones get any of that

and he alr self buffs by 3x

so rlly its closer to a 30% dps buff

[upper pagoda]

you sell him for the clones to get that

which is how you get him to have crazy dps

[lilac kettle]

u can get 300k dps without all that effort...

i dont even sell jin mori most of the time

[upper pagoda]

eh either way mori is basically pure dps who struggles to deal with enemy mechanics

cuz clones are passiveless

[lilac kettle]

ok so

2200+95130+42280+15855+2642 = 158.1k

so barely more than kaguya

with monarch original

each clone

and thats not including hercule or al

but thats alr ~267k dps

excluding buffers or selling the original

realistically speaking, selling the original is bad with the proper team

proper team being this + jin mori
newsman: ro jer, al: foo or padoru, aurin: doesn't matter, hercule: padoru or foo

[odd belfry]

no he didnt?

[lilac kettle]

comparatively, yes

his usefulness is much lower than the people above him

thats not to say hes bad

just to say hes not as dominant as he was

[odd belfry]

talking about me bud?

[radiant parrot]

No prolly like sane and co

[odd belfry]

if you say so bro

[odd belfry]

u want both, de vsjw is for tronies, lb and rifts thats about it

[lilac kettle]

for the average player (who the tier list "overall" section is meant for), monarch vsjw isnt better than mon esca at the very least

an argument could be made for jin mori as well

jin mori's only downside is needing 1 extra slot to utilize him best

[lilac kettle]

but anwyay, this suggestion isnt meant for this topic

just shit on esca multihit suggestion and dm me or smth

[odd belfry]

thats why i hate the fucking regen bro, if i forget to switch teams and alr started my shit then its ggs, now i js bring alucard w me always unless im doing rifts and forget to use him when doing shit that needs him

[cinder yew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324487450290290811/1395184964735078410/togif.gif

[odd belfry]

he is for most stuff tho

1.7k placementss

pretty cheap to max

crazy summons

[lilac kettle]

kaguya and esca are just objectively better for the vast majority of players

kaguya if above him already but still

[odd belfry]

what is esca better for

[lilac kettle]

the majority of content?

all non-leaderboard content

[odd belfry]

like...?

[lilac kettle]

legend stages, chals, rift, story, boss events, WL 1-50 besides for a select number of weathers

[odd belfry]

immunity yo, ever heard of that?

[lilac kettle]

what

[odd belfry]

only true one is boss events, nothing else

[lilac kettle]

what does immunity have to do with jin mori?

[odd belfry]

he aint immune to SHIT

thats what matters the most in this game

[lilac kettle]

hence why i said you need 1 extra slot...

[odd belfry]

thats why gogeta isnt used at all

[odd belfry]

1 extra slot for what

cleanser?

[lilac kettle]

orihime or al?

[odd belfry]

or js use kaguya, esca, vsjw, alucard and never worry about shit

[lilac kettle]

bringing al isnt even that bad for a jin mori centered team

since u need him for newsman too

[odd belfry]

are you making a tourney team or what

[lilac kettle]

god forbid people use unique teams

[lilac kettle]

the game isnt centered around tourney players

and hence the tier list shouldnt be

[odd belfry]

i dont think making a team centred around the highest dps in game is unique

[lilac kettle]

its more unique than doing essentially the same for kaguya or bringing only escanor or vsjw

[odd belfry]

how's the tl centred around tourney players

[odd belfry]

never said it was unique, its js simply way better to have a unit that isnt affected by debuffs or a unit that can cleanse itself

[dusk frigate]

AV devs please add a 100 shield boss with regen in the Berserk update

[lilac kettle]

newsman solves that problem anyway

it'd take a solid 10 seconds to break it

maybe less

[dusk frigate]

Shhhhhhhh...

[lilac kettle]

(and they wouldnt just cuz it pretty much requires you having a limited unit)

[dusk frigate]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[lilac kettle]

tbh its more of a problem in and of itself that so many meta units are immune or essentially immune to debuffs and stuns

and yhwach being added just kinda ruined the balance of the game at the time

(the scaling has kinda caught him now)

and he has the 2nd best element in the game on top of his crazy numbers

[odd belfry]

Are you sure lol

[lilac kettle]

i mean what prior content has had a requirement of a limited unit?

no other update to my knowledge

even the AOT ex stage can be beaten solo without limited units

[odd belfry]

Al needed to cleanse unless u want to use orieheme which has a cd and no range

[lilac kettle]

what does that have to do with the last thing you replied to

entirely different topics

[odd belfry]

?

[lilac kettle]

one was about the berserk update the other was about jin mori

[odd belfry]

Speaking to speak indeed.

[lilac kettle]

the comment you cherrypicked was about the berserk update

and orihime still fixes jin mori and all his clones

so its not rlly a big problem

if anything it might be better than al when we get the SPA debuffing enemies

[odd belfry]

I'll take the advice and continue my shit 👍

You're a brick wall

[lilac kettle]

to be fair a tester also thought they were 30

god forbid someone hasnt done rifts since the astolfo one came out

[velvet walrus]

Bring Toji, Alucard and Monarch VSJW