The issues of being WAY to new player friendly

[proven cave]

i'm important if they asked me out of everybody they could've chosen from, especially by looking around the map?

[scarlet cargo]

@desert roost close ts already this might be the worst argument ive ever read

[scarlet cargo]

No, you just happened to be in the lobby. You arent special because you spent 6 minutes doing a grind you were gonna do anyway with a random person or 2 and got benefitted from it 💀

[proven cave]

so now we no longer have opinions we can share about? I mean nothing wrong with suggesting things, right? Also the original poster is not breaking the rules for suggestions so why do you wish to see this suggestion to never see the light of day? seems like you're a little jealous that we have better opinions than you

[light rampart]

Cuz it sucks it only makes the game less enjoyable

[reef talon]

Make a suggestion gng ur a chef cooking

[light rampart]

It helps no one and makes people less likely to stay with the game

[crisp tree]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-berserk-anime-behelit-berserk1997-behelit-scream-gif-24520246

[glass light]

If it helps, you guys are probably arguing with a child

[proven cave]

new players shouldn't have everything their way, so far more people will be here upvoting once they see that new players are getting everything.

bump,

[upbeat nova]

wth is going on

[scarlet cargo]

Insane dumbfuckery

[nova mural]

LOL

[deft seal]

let a content creator leech in my portals and the next day he posted a kaguya vid 💀

[gray hare]

cmon enderian u cant srsly think allowing a lvl to afk for 4 days to get 3m teas then go afk story for a few hrs, get lvl 10 and summon for the best units in the game is a good idea.

i get letting them try out the units and shit but straight away giving them a chance to get top 5 unit without even needing to use a single unit from their inv is lowk crazy

vanguards should be locked behind lvl 30 min

[vast river]

*1000. 100 portals only gives 300k

[deft seal]

100 hours of portals not 100 portals

[tawny tusk]

Just have the units from the dan da dan update

[cobalt fern]

thank you salmon 😋

[violet dragon]

why not be nice and congratulate em

its not like u helped them in order to get something from them

[gray hare]

ight bro i agree w the fact of not giving new players vanguards but wtf r u on abt now

let them be happy 😭 ✌️

[rustic pier]

delete ts

overcomplicating things for a game that is based off luck 🤦‍♀️

having a higher amount of vanguard units that exist won't even effect trading bruh

u all doing too much for such a miniscule problem

OP wrote how many paragraphs essentially yapping about a whole bunch of nothing

not even a game problem this is an ego problem bro go fix it urself

[scarlet cargo]

it is a gacha game. some people get lucky. get over with it. what is the point in preventing a very small amount of people from getting very lucky.

you're acting like level 30 is some sort of skill check

it is a few hours of tinytasing any legend stage

[astral thunder]

Why would you want to gatekeep "fun" for new players after some of us experienced prime diavolo grind in the DDD inf, let new players have fun

(from reading the post i saw some mention of "Pro players" it's a roblox game, settle down it's not that serious)

[tawny tusk]

Me after playing through the whole ddd update 24/7 manually

[spare rose]

Op I get you’re afraid all the content prior to this will be invalidated however the devs on multiple occasions have mentioned buffing older units into relevancy

there was a stage in which they mentioned a unit from upd 0-2 would receive some kind of change be it a buff or double evo a while ago and most recently have a poll to buff an older unit

they are upscaling the entire game currently to escape units that have been meta for half a year straight

[gray hare]

he's not abt that bro

he's js saying giving new players a free vanguard escanor isnt a good idea

[spare rose]

you are incapable of reading you should go away

he mentioned the banner units making the entire game irrelevant to play and people will be lazy and do nothing else

scroll up

.

.

go read cheesy toasty enlighten yourself

[gray hare]

yep, why would they farm for normal banner mythics when they can get a free escanor that'll carry them in EVERY single stage in the game and be able to solo it?

[spare rose]

aged like fine wine

[gray hare]

explain to me why they'd grind for normal banner units when escanor alone can clear every stage and portal if u brought a shield breaker which can be js some rares?

[spare rose]

because the game is being upscaled and the next update units will be good?

[gray hare]

buffing units will only make them viable, no where near meta so again why would people bother with them if they arent anywhere in the meta tier?

[spare rose]

Escanor won’t be top of the meta for more half a year straight like ywach

because they are trying to fix the meta not changing bc of a few units being too strong

[gray hare]

we're talking about now NOT the future?

[spare rose]

Are you a developer? Crazy how easily you’ll throw out an absolute statement claiming they will or won’t do something

[gray hare]

why would any new player farm for random shitty banner units when they can js go afk sumemr event and get escanor?

[spare rose]

people also said they wouldn’t do 2 vanguard banners at once and look what happened

[gray hare]

thats what they said tho?

[spare rose]

No shit bc it’s not only a seasonal event but the units are upscaled dumbass

[gray hare]

they clearly said they'll only make units VIABLE when buffing them

NOT META

[spare rose]

if it wasn’t a seasonal and the new update units were upscaled it’d be the exact same issue but with regular banner

trying using your brain for once in your lifetime

[gray hare]

talking straight up out of your ass now?

[spare rose]

so the units aren’t upscaled?

[gray hare]

no?

[spare rose]

I guess they all suck then and are weak and there’s no point in getting them

[spare rose]

Then what the fuck are you on about you’re always on some bullshit

every time I see you

[gray hare]

explain to me why would new players grind for older banner units and wait for them to get buffed?

[spare rose]

Always spewing nonsense

[gray hare]

examples?

[spare rose]

omg read Jesus

If it was a upscale on a new update with upscaled gem banner units the same issue would happen and you’d only get the new units

[gray hare]

you keep going on about how theyll fucking buff units but why does it matter if those units will only be VIABLE and not meta? you're better off js grinding the summer event??????????????//

[spare rose]

This guy is immune to literacy

[spare rose]

.

[gray hare]

you fucking clearly are

[spare rose]

wow I love how you said the same thing I already answered

amazing

[gray hare]

im not fucking talking about ur bs upscale, im talking about the fact you keep fucking mentioning older banner units and how they'll get buffed like it matters 1 single bit

[spare rose]

.

[spare rose]

I mentioned older units update 0-2

[gray hare]

you havent answered 1 single 1 of my questions yet

you keep saying the same bs of upscale

[spare rose]

vsjw was an older unit and they made him strong asf

[gray hare]

which guess what????

happens every fucking update

[spare rose]

and you’re saying nah no buffs will be good

[gray hare]

ik ik thats a shocker isnt?

who would've imagined units getting upscaled every upd

[spare rose]

yeah it’s worked so well ywach has only been meta for 8 months 💀

and vsjw meta for almost half a year now

Same with Dante

[tawny tusk]

Damn i love suggestions

[gray hare]

thats becuase of a bug apparently that wasnt intended but never got fixed

[gray hare]

no1 uses him

[spare rose]

ok?

He’s still top of the meta

for 8 months

[gray hare]

his element only, you're always js gonna upd escanor and kaguya over him

[spare rose]

Even now

[gray hare]

upg^

[unkempt atlas]

dude i think my escanor was bugged

i ddnt get mine

[spare rose]

I feel scammed

[unkempt atlas]

i feel scammed i need refund

[gray hare]

yeah and them getting buffed means they'll be meta? (someone gotta tell him that the devs said buffing units will only make them VIABLE)

[upbeat nova]

all sybau and vote vanguard ishtar

[tawny tusk]

U level 10?

[spare rose]

Yeah because vsjw didn’t become meta he just became viable

[tawny tusk]

Didnt pyseph say you are able to get him at lvl 11

[upbeat nova]

yes

[tawny tusk]

Did you void your escanor

[spare rose]

they did say that

[tawny tusk]

Cuz u missed 700 exp

😭

Unless the video isnt real

Tbf

[gray hare]

????

[unkempt atlas]

who gonna tell him

[tawny tusk]

Tell me

[gray hare]

THATS A FUCKING EVO

NOT A BUFF

[upbeat nova]

It’s real

My 7th alt got escanor

[gray hare]

is he srsly comparing a fucking buff to a fucking evo????

[spare rose]

and if you were capable of reading you’d notice when you scroll up you’d see that I mentioned the 0-2 upd unit could be a double evo as mentioned in the stage

but no you hate reading and literacy comprehension

[gray hare]

a evo that takes DAYS to get so he better be fucking good

[gray hare]

are you stupid?

im talking about the buffing part

not the evo part

are you capable of reading shit?

[spare rose]

so you picked a fragment of my sentence to argue about and said the rest doesn’t count

I’ve had enough of this greenie mentality blocked

[gray hare]

you kept barking about buffing units tho?

not once did you mention double evos in the argument

giving a unit an evo pretty much makes an entire different unit with entirely different mechanics

[azure chasm]

bump

the amount of people saying im gatekeeping content when is just a 10 level req is crazy, mfs really want people to not try anything else

[gray hare]

lvl 10 is still too low

[azure chasm]

low and reasonable for new players but ig for people here takes days to get

[gray hare]

vanguards should be locked behind a reasonable lvl cap

[scarlet cargo]

Wow, some new players get lucky in a gacha game. This is news to me!

[azure chasm]

?

[azure chasm]

oh lol

[idle spade]

Idk man

A level 10 with his first unit being escanor

[scarlet cargo]

Dawg. Who the actual fuck cares. Legitimately provide 1 reasonable argument as to how some very lucky individuals getting the 1/20k MONARCH RELIANT unit matters in a pve game.

[idle spade]

sounds really fair to me!

[azure chasm]

monarch reliant

[scarlet cargo]

Its rng

Duh

[azure chasm]

when same unit can solo most shit without it

[idle spade]

Still the best raw dps in the game

[azure chasm]

[idle spade]

Point is also talking about pity+event stage

Easily tinytaskable and it takes barely 5 days

to get to pitu

pity

not even rng anymore

[azure chasm]

i didn't mention anything about luck and stuff

[upbeat nova]

Can we all be peaches and cream

[azure chasm]

enderian is just saying random shit

[scarlet cargo]

Fucking saber solos most content in the game what are you trying to prove 🤔

[gray hare]

sorry to break it to u but he's still insanely op even wout monarch

[scarlet cargo]

Not nearly as much.

And why does it matter still

Its a pve game 💀

Some people get lucky

[idle spade]

"monarch reliant" and its because its his best trait

Without monarch=/=bad

[gray hare]

everything is monarch reliant

[azure chasm]

??? you the only who say x unit is monarch reliant when monarch is not even need to beat the game
im just talking about how busted is seasonal event lol

[scarlet cargo]

Its because its a 1 placement 170k to max unit

[gray hare]

4 placements or not

it doenst matter

[idle spade]

^^^

[azure chasm]

you kill 3 grinds doing something simple

essence stones grind
materials grind
unit grind
all of that with just doing the seasonal event

is really that bad to make the player do other stuff

[scarlet cargo]

Strawman argument. A 1 placement purely dps centric unit that is also one of the most expensive in the game is especially so.

[gray hare]

he still does 300k+ dmg so whats ur argument

[idle spade]

Once again he can be used without monarch

We're talking about the pov of a level 10 here

First unit being escanor

he wont just delete it if he cant get monarch on it

[scarlet cargo]

How many cases of this can you list

[idle spade]

since its literally the best he can get at the start

and thats the problem

[scarlet cargo]

Some people get the 1/20k unit early on

Is this the norm

[idle spade]

Ive got a friend whose roblox account got banned

came back this update and in 6 days he got escanor

[scarlet cargo]

That some people getting exceedingly lucky doesnt fucking matter?

[idle spade]

😭

[scarlet cargo]

Your friend has good luck, good on him.

[idle spade]

Not even

[gray hare]

idrc if its a pve game, a td game is meant to make you grind hard for the best unit, not js afk for 4 days and get the best unit in game even if you're js a lvl 10 with 0 units

[idle spade]

he hit pity

Point is if the players arent able to solo portals why would they be allowed to play the event

[gray hare]

lucky my ass, afk for 1 week at max and you have him regardless

without doing any sort of work

[idle spade]

no level requirement is basically asking for anyone to get it reguardless of level

[scarlet cargo]

Okay? And?

[gray hare]

lock in enderian

[idle spade]

(Traits/stats/familiar counter)

[scarlet cargo]

Wah wah wah bro some people got the unit early on how does this negatively impact anyone

😭

[azure chasm]

1 week of doing nothing to get one of the best units and some extra good ones is okay

[faint goblet]

Most people forget that getting the unit is, most of the time, not the annoying part

[scarlet cargo]

Also find it hella funny that yall are acting like levels are indicative of jack

[gray hare]

getting monarch is the annoying part

[faint goblet]

Duh

[scarlet cargo]

As if levels are a skill check

[azure chasm]

the moment you ping a tester to lock it suggestion is when i realize you just salty for no reason

how low you can be to try locking a suggestion

[scarlet cargo]

Takes some real hardcore gameplay to get to level 50 guys

[azure chasm]

nobody saying that

bro is typing random shit

[idle spade]

Its a sign of who plays and who doesnt

[scarlet cargo]

No i just saw some of the worst arguments ive ever seen made by you and that mushy guy

[azure chasm]

made by me

[idle spade]

Would it make sense that you'd just need to afk for a few nights while being level 20 to get VSJW?

No

[scarlet cargo]

Sitting in afk chamber is objectively the same amount of effort as tinytasking sand village legend stages by the way

[gray hare]

guys we cant blame the devs! they dropped a trash upd last time with 0 good units that are realistically usable so they had to drop a beginner friendly upd where yoou automatically get the 5 best units in game!

[azure chasm]

and you act like is okay to give the new player everything so easily

[idle spade]

???

whats the corelation

Hello

[scarlet cargo]

What would adding a level requirement do lmao

[idle spade]

We're talking about the stage being allowed to players

who arent able to even do portals

[scarlet cargo]

People just afk sand village for 1 day and hit it

[azure chasm]

force them to play stages duh

[scarlet cargo]

What did you accomplish

[azure chasm]

is something

a little of effort

[idle spade]

Thats the whole point im making...

[gray hare]

62 fucking shards 💔

[azure chasm]

is not killing you

[idle spade]

Putting the level requirement higher

Say 50 for the event stage

[scarlet cargo]

Wow bruh some really fascinating gameplay loop you created there, making people tinytask for a day. Nice!

[gray hare]

play the actual game and progress through story instead of js afking the summer event?

[azure chasm]

better than whatever the fuck we have rn

or you want it to be higher

so we can actually gatekeep content

[scarlet cargo]

You are part of the tiniest vocal minority that thinks this way

[gray hare]

maybe js maybe make the play the game for a decent period of time before allowing them to straight up js go and afk the event even if they got 0 units

[scarlet cargo]

I can definitely agree with the fact that the devs are better off not listening to irrelevant vocal minorities that want to make the game more anti casual.

[azure chasm]

good for you

[scarlet cargo]

Doesnt exactly do anyone any favours.

[azure chasm]

idc i just said my opinion about the situation

[azure chasm]

so did the challenge rerolls cap and they added it

mfs think everything have to benefit someone

[scarlet cargo]

No, that change had a pretty reasonable approach to it

It was an equalizer

Just because you have 1 of 2 ahk magnos shouldnt place you 300 rrs a week ahead of the curve

[azure chasm]

the same can be said of the summer event
just doing it shouldn't make you skip parts of the game so easily

[gray hare]

can we js remove rr challenges completely

[scarlet cargo]

If exactly 0 parties benefit from something, then it is probably irrelevant yeah.

[gray hare]

i had to afk challenges for 12hrs on my phone yesterday for 40 rrs

[scarlet cargo]

Not at all. What equal playing field are you establishing by making grinds more tedious for new players.

[azure chasm]

the summer event literally give you 20x multi and a chance to get the other evo material
you make portals irrelevant aswell

put the chest you can buy it aswell with sunshine

so no

[gray hare]

its not tedious? you js play the game and progress like everyone else rather than js letting them afk for a couple days and instatnyl have 5 of the units that are in the best tier on t he tl

[scarlet cargo]

I would not mind at all, so long as the rrs got moved to other sources that are more accessible to people who don't magno. Ofc that isnt gonna happen but yeah

[scarlet cargo]

Insane exaggeration jeez

[gray hare]

this is what i mean btw

this event js allowed for so much bot farms

[scarlet cargo]

Tinytasking for gems, legend stage mats and spending resources on months old irrelevant units is very much tedious

[gray hare]

its not even about beginners tbh

[scarlet cargo]

Please do not make this argument now lmfao

[gray hare]

its more abt bot farms

[gray hare]

wdym?

[scarlet cargo]

Acting like any bot farm couldnt get to any arbitrary level cap you set in 2 days

[gray hare]

it'd take longer and more importantly if we make it an actual even where you'd need to use some actual good units then it''d be even harder for them to afk farm on hundreds of accounts for the shiny vanguard

[scarlet cargo]

"Use some actual good units" how well have the more difficult events in this game's life cycle been received again

🤔

[azure chasm]

the balance field
you give new players 4 really good units and 1 meta one without any type of effort
if these units are left like that then they will destroy any stage which will make people:

1. Complain about content being way to easy
   2.Leave because there is no real reason to grind for newer units if the ones they have rn destroy the game

[unkempt atlas]

lets bully newbies

[upbeat nova]

average choso player

[scarlet cargo]

Only a very tiny vocal minority complains about the game being too easy.

[upbeat nova]

WAIT YALL

[azure chasm]

tiny?

[scarlet cargo]

The devs have clearly underlined that that minority will not be listened to

[azure chasm]

💀

[scarlet cargo]

If you want challenging content, do tournaments or lbs

[slim kestrel]

the game is pretty easy tho

[azure chasm]

so ex stages exist for what

[azure chasm]

for no reason

???

[faint goblet]

Upd this week omg

[scarlet cargo]

They said theyre not gonna make stages like these again lol are you out of the loop

[upbeat nova]

they should

I like them since ppl rage

[scarlet cargo]

Neither ex stage was receieved well, so stages like em wont be repeated

[slim kestrel]

whats that

[gray hare]

i rather use my units that i spent weeks and weeks grinding for over some random event units, the only event that was recieved pretty bad was the DDD one and its reasonable due to the fact it gave no rewards pretty much. The other events were fine but started to get boring with only portals.

[scarlet cargo]

Unfortunately the people clearly dont, and the ccu tanks. So yeah.

[gray hare]

cuz they gave no good odds

thats the ONLY reason

oh and

the 4 player scaling

so you were forced to find a team which takes ages

[scarlet cargo]

How else do you think "hard stages" work lol

It will always be a dps check

Or smth like the cid raid

[upbeat nova]

Hopefully berserk have hard content

[gray hare]

i pray

[scarlet cargo]

It wont

[gray hare]

i cba with some afk bs

[upbeat nova]

griffith shouldn’t be a easy question

[scarlet cargo]

Why would it

[upbeat nova]

quest*

[gray hare]

its a td game

[scarlet cargo]

Hard content that most people are unable to do tanks the game's ccu

So yeah

[gray hare]

it should be about "strategy"

[scarlet cargo]

Its a gacha game with td elements sprinkeled into it.

[upbeat nova]

They’ll be fine

[gray hare]

not abt js going afk

[scarlet cargo]

Theyve already said stages like aot ls and lotg ls wont be repeated.

[slim kestrel]

bro what
its literally a game about grinding
if you cant do it then do sumin about it

[gray hare]

still classfies itself as a td game so it needs strategy

[upbeat nova]

I can agree for lotg, that stage was bullshit

[scarlet cargo]

It doesnt matter to me lol, if they make a stage i cannot solo then nobody in the game could.

[upbeat nova]

but aot wasnt that bad

[scarlet cargo]

Its about what casuals want

[slim kestrel]

oo sorry

[gray hare]

can aa js fucking upd already so i can actually go and play a td game where strategy is ACTUALLY needed

[scarlet cargo]

I am not a new player, i would like to get that out there 💀

[gray hare]

oh snap enderian

[slim kestrel]

do you expect new content to be able to be done by everyone?

[upbeat nova]

I can see both sides

[gray hare]

seems like thats what they want

[gray hare]

aa on TOP

[slim kestrel]

that game is cooked

[fossil moth]

real

[scarlet cargo]

No, but i believe having seasonal events like these every other 0.5 or so provides opportunities to people for catching up.

[slim kestrel]

people can catch up all the time

[gray hare]

catching up my ass

every single 1 of the new units is a fucking beast itself

[slim kestrel]

are you saying you need a vanguard to be able to progress or something im confused

[gray hare]

all of them got insane dps

[upbeat nova]

I agree new players need someway to have it easier, but if that’s limiting all hard content that’s stupid

[scarlet cargo]

The vanguard is a very specific case that most new players arent going for.

[gray hare]

and then the monster weather report

[slim kestrel]

right

[gray hare]

possible the craziest support oat

[scarlet cargo]

The banner mythics are good but none of them are top 10.

[slim kestrel]

but you can literally catch up by playing normally

[gray hare]

possibly*

[slim kestrel]

most secrets are obtainable and are very meta

[upbeat nova]

We need more ex stages

fuck everyone else

[slim kestrel]

along with lots of banner units

[upbeat nova]

lmao

they can cry abt it

[scarlet cargo]

It is significantly more tedious, and i dont see the point in forcing people to go througn 5 updates worth of units just to catch up

[slim kestrel]

can someone explain wtf an ex stage is

[slim kestrel]

oh brother

[scarlet cargo]

Thankfully ts aint happening

[slim kestrel]

have you ever played a td game

[scarlet cargo]

Gl though

[upbeat nova]

Hard content that ppl bitch about

[slim kestrel]

example?

like cid?

[upbeat nova]

the guility gear one

[scarlet cargo]

I play av a little bit id say yeah

Not like av is a pure td

Its got more gacha game elements to it than it does td elements.

I played btd 6 back in the day too

[slim kestrel]

if youre complaining about catching up in av
which is the most generous td game i have ever seen
then stop arguing this shit

[scarlet cargo]

Im not complaining about anything lol

[slim kestrel]

you are tho

[scarlet cargo]

Im very satisfied with the current state of the game

[slim kestrel]

youre saying it takes too long to catch up

which it probably doesnt

[gray hare]

all new units that dont even take an hour to get are in the meta tier

[upbeat nova]

Hardest atd to catch up in

is prob awtd

honestly

[scarlet cargo]

It doesnt since events like these exist

[slim kestrel]

idk about an hour but theyre very doable
even sub meta units can be used to clear the story, challenges etc

[gray hare]

2hrs max with the 5mins strat, still most likely getting before pity

hie is insanely op

infact he's meta for inf lb runs w de or ethereal

[scarlet cargo]

Thats irrelevant to this discussion but ight

I still dont see an issue, okay ig, the new summer units which are somewhat easy to get are strong.

[gray hare]

just strong?

😭 ✌️

[scarlet cargo]

Yeah, i wouldnt personally call anyone outside the top 10 "top tier"

Theyre good though, fortunately

Anyway, in summary, this upd is just what the majority of the community wanted, besides escanor being banner instead of quest. People wanted easier more casual friendly content, people wanted new units that were at the very least all good, people wanted the vanguard grind to not be another miserable portal grind.

All those suggestions were listened to

Hence the game has maintained a ccu this high even 2 weeks after the upd, which is something previous updates have always failed to do.

[slim kestrel]

couldve done the event better

[scarlet cargo]

Yeah, i think going to higher waves shouldve been more rewarding. Thats kinda it.

[proven cave]

Yhwach is still the best unit ingame

You shouldn’t compare him to Escanor.

Bump

[vast river]

sand village act 1

escanor pees his pants when he sees those shinobi puppets

[vast river]

i STILL fail to understand the yawa glaze

like yeah hes good dps but u need a whole setup to use him

[idle spade]

400k dmg every 5 seconds with a follow with full dmg if the last enemy is different while costing 68k to max and 130 range

Hes just overall busted in every aspect with a full team

Whats even better is that his dmg stat is so high he can abuse a birb even MORE

Since it applies on the stat ingame and not like somekind of buff

[azure chasm]

2 more ❌ until we reach negative spotlight guys

please we need it ✌️

[nova mural]

here u go

[azure chasm]

thank you

[civic relic]

This event is the only one that has actually really meta units, none of the rest had units in or near the top 15 besides the vanguards.

[hushed hound]

holy L suggestion ☠️

event brought back so many old and new players back

[azure chasm]

spring event yea but saying that to the winter units is crazy

[civic relic]

what units in the spring event were top 15?

arc and rudie were the best units of the upd and they werent in there

[azure chasm]

?

re read what i said

[civic relic]

oh hold on

yea ok

what about the winter banner units was so crazy?

i dont remember them being anything special...

fubuki is good but tbh sakura and orihime are just better for cleanse purposes

[azure chasm]

rem and ram were meta progressive for being really cheap and getting full aoe really fast
fubuki was meta because she was the only cleanse unit in the game without counting sakura

[civic relic]

and the freeze doesnt matter much since esdeath was added then too and was a way better choice

[civic relic]

oh right rem and ram were added

and i thought orihime was in the game then too?

[pliant wyvern]

orehime came after

[civic relic]

oh right winter was update 3.0 wasnt it

jesus its just been so long i forgot

[pliant wyvern]

emilia was better than fubuki tho
when her passive was broken as shit

[civic relic]

but i mean yeah on first release of the update it had some meta units but within a month most if not all of them got shifted out of meta

and for back then, a month wasnt that long

(the event lasted 6 months after all)

[pliant wyvern]

well i mean it was rem who was meta for a long ass time, 2 supports, and karem who isnt even worth mentioning

[civic relic]

i mean to be fair literally a month later yhwach got added who is apparently still #1 overall tier list (i disagree with that though)

[pliant wyvern]

yea yhwach is busted as fuck

[civic relic]

that was a bad balancing time for AV

yhwach is still one of the top 5 units for sure

and aizen definitely has his uses

not to mention luce

[pliant wyvern]

if the passive wasnt mistakenly made broken as fuck yhawch would have been kicked out of broken by now
but its going to be hard to replace him

[civic relic]

and uryu too 💀

all of those units were meta for a long time or are still meta

[civic relic]

his double hit one?

[pliant wyvern]

ye

[civic relic]

i really dont know what they were thinking with giving that to a full aoe unit

he shoulda just been a large circle or even a half aoe

full aoe is wild

yhwach nerf when 💀

[nova mural]

miscommunication 💔

[nova mural]

its too late now

[civic relic]

it goes a bit beyond that ngl

[nova mural]

js gotta wait for the power creep

and they cant rush it

[civic relic]

no way it gets passed ALL the devs and ALL the testers in that state

[nova mural]

or it could just be the same shit again

[civic relic]

its intentional

[civic relic]

i mean its not rlly too late seeing as how hes still #1 unit overall according to the tier list

even if u make him half aoe he'll still be top 5 in the game

just not top 3

[pliant wyvern]

it is too late
everyone would riot

[civic relic]

berserk update they nerf yhwach

positives and negatives

make it happen

(for me it'd be positives and positives tho)

[nova mural]

all the people with him monarch shiny full godly

would lose their shits

especially the lb players

[civic relic]

and to that u can say boo hoo

he had a good 6 months

he can rest now

[nova mural]

its not that easy

lolol

just gotta wait for him to eventually be powercrept

hopefully soon

[civic relic]

like quite literally

a good 6 months

they need to put him down

hes not even a vanguard...

[nova mural]

no man no

as much as i hate how busted he is

[pliant wyvern]

did you see how many complaints we got about a minor nerf to kaguya that hardly affects anyone

[azure chasm]

at it point he deserve vanguard aswell

[civic relic]

bare minimum make the double hit thing conditional

instead of all the time

[nova mural]

they cant just say "heyyy so it was a mistake so yeah hes bad now"

[midnight elk]

literally 2/3 of the units are meta on the tier list and within 25 minutes of gameplay you can get one of the meta units that are on banner so it's literally no different

[vast river]

rom ram my glorious traitless creature

[civic relic]

imma be honest it balanced the game out

[naive cradle]

i thought I was stupid

[azure chasm]

like

[civic relic]

for things like that u just gotta ignore the community

[azure chasm]

mention

[civic relic]

any changes that arent buffs will incite backlash

[vast river]

rom ram got me igris

[nova mural]

and people already hate when the devs fix shit late and then say "oh well it was intended to be like this the whole time"

cough cough cid act 2

[vast river]

🖕

actually

[naive cradle]

icl devs were stupid patching it like an update later

[civic relic]

what was even broken about that? i dont remember

[naive cradle]

😭😭

[pliant wyvern]

yea
but the point is a super minor change to a very good unit led to backlash
imagine how bad it would be to nerf one of the best units in the game after 6 months of them being like that😭

[vast river]

nevermind rumbling strat makes cid a joke

[nova mural]

yeah it sucked

[naive cradle]

you didn't get jailed

[vast river]

takes ages but also makes it really easy

[naive cradle]

have you tried escanor

I beat it in 4 minutes 14 seconds

[vast river]

tried to get him?

[civic relic]

people really complained about them getting jailed when it just wears off in 20 seconds?

[nova mural]

u were always supposed to be cuffed solo

[vast river]

i want him bruh

[naive cradle]

no on cid act

[nova mural]

but it broke first day

then they fixed it a while after

[naive cradle]

cause they kept it with no jail a whole update

[vast river]

who said i have him 🥀

[naive cradle]

after

[pliant wyvern]

its how it worked in testing
no idea how it almost instantly broke😭

[naive cradle]

get him

[vast river]

im tryin cuh

[nova mural]

atleast the bugs havent been AS bad as before

[civic relic]

i mean yea sometimes u just gotta change stuff for the balance of the game, ever since yhwach was released we've legit been playing catch up, it doesnt make much sense for them to keep him this way if it leads to older units being outscaled much faster than they otherwise would have been

[naive cradle]

is the yhwach hype really allat

[pliant wyvern]

we arent powercreeping faster cuz of yhwach
its just the natural progression of powercreep

[civic relic]

him STILL being #1 overall meta over 3 vanguards that released after him should prove that point itself

[naive cradle]

how does he beat kaguya and vsjw 😭😭

[pliant wyvern]

yes

[nova mural]

the only catchup iirc is from aot upd

[naive cradle]

I never get him bro

[civic relic]

vsjw yes, kaguya no

[pliant wyvern]

in any hard content besides inf he is almost always the best choice

[naive cradle]

like I get he has good dps

[azure chasm]

full aoe unit that can reach 772k damage,cheap to max upgrade and attack twice

[nova mural]

cuz im pretty sure the hp scaling increased in aot upd

[pliant wyvern]

68k to max, easily hits 100k dps with 100+ range, stun immune, has a cleanse

[nova mural]

and then this recent upd caught the units up

[naive cradle]

do I save rerolls or do I roll on him

[civic relic]

not to mention debuffs dont mean much to him since he self buffs to holy hell

[naive cradle]

I already have the 4 vanguards monarch

[midnight elk]

but your whole team has to be built around him so i don't see as much use case

[nova mural]

its kinda absurd cuz they dropped giselle like same upd basically

what were they cooking

[pliant wyvern]

it was same upd

[nova mural]

insanity

[pliant wyvern]

RAHHHHHHHH

[azure chasm]

do i have to mention to it day he is the only unit that can solo GG ex stage

[civic relic]

dude DAVE was the same update

[naive cradle]

so like I'm just gonna wait till next update

[civic relic]

hate you

[nova mural]

gg

[naive cradle]

woah

[azure chasm]

ass shiny
should have been wukong

[nova mural]

upd 8.5 is my shiny wl unit surely

[civic relic]

agree there

[midnight elk]

yeah i mean i agree he's insanely strong but with a good team build you can acheive much better

[civic relic]

watch it be some mid

[naive cradle]

If the berserk update units are ass I'm spending them all on yhwach

[pliant wyvern]

just get t12

[naive cradle]

WAIT GUYS

OK

[civic relic]

griffith surely wont disappoint

[nova mural]

i mean recently the wl units have rlly stepped up

[naive cradle]

SO LIKE

WE'RE THINKING THE UPDATE IS NEZT WEEK?

if it's next week

[nova mural]

thats so much dedication 😭

[civic relic]

no

[naive cradle]

I could perchance probably get pity for yhwach

[vast river]

whats better?

yawa build doing that much

or a normal build with some other meta monarchs doing more

[pliant wyvern]

you must win. and you must keep on winning

[civic relic]

based on the current trend, they release the trailer then 3-4 days later the upd comes out

[naive cradle]

Updates this week icl

[civic relic]

so unless they release the trailer within the next 3 days then it wont be next week

[nova mural]

i forgot he was even a unit LOL

[vast river]

yawa is good but he needs the whole team

[pliant wyvern]

):

[azure chasm]

i can't tell the difference

[vast river]

🥀

[nova mural]

he got power crept so fast

its so sad

[naive cradle]

icl I would prefer the vanguards imo

[civic relic]

literally 2 updates

[naive cradle]

Kaguya is just too busted

tp

dimensions

[nova mural]

[vast river]

yawa build is boring

[naive cradle]

Nuke

[nova mural]

his model is clean tho

[azure chasm]

is that it

[vast river]

michal jackson on the left

[pliant wyvern]

i mean kata is still one of the best slows
his teleporting is just annoying

[azure chasm]

who the hell do the shinies

[nova mural]

his teleport has some uses

[civic relic]

dont forget the mapwide dmg and 10x nuke and self buffs and element copying :)

[nova mural]

but most of the time its more annoying

than beneficial

[civic relic]

shiny looks worse tbh

[pliant wyvern]

yea but its what keeps him from being used as the main slow

[civic relic]

but we all know shiny or not doesnt matter

[nova mural]

and then they just recently dropped weather

[naive cradle]

she's the best unit itg IMO

[vast river]

the humble weather report

[naive cradle]

when you get her monarch

[pliant wyvern]

he is tied for highest slow % cuz max is 50, 100% slow uptime, and can stun

bubbled is the only thing that makes weather good

[vast river]

still remember tweaking when i read THIRTY SECOND SLOW

[azure chasm]

judar victim

[vast river]

50% 30 SECOND SLOW!!!

[pliant wyvern]

isnt judar 30% slow

[pliant wyvern]

slow has no cd
just reapply

[vast river]

still handy for when they leave his range

[nova mural]

i heard stun and freeze share a cd now or was it stun and slow

[vast river]

and he has bubbled

which is goated

[naive cradle]

bubble or wounded ?

[vast river]

with aizen

bubbled ong

[civic relic]

yea but its also a 50% instead of 30% AND does pretty much constant bubbled

[naive cradle]

wounded right

oh constant bubbles

bubbled

I forget cause it's the storm

he's icl

better the. Wukong

then

[vast river]

and 4 placement

[pliant wyvern]

both kata and weather are 50%
its just wounded that makes weather good

[naive cradle]

but you can't compare them

[azure chasm]

he also bleed and make enemies take more damage from dots
why people downgrade him a lot

[civic relic]

wounded?

[pliant wyvern]

idk if the fix for bubbled has come out
once it does he wont be used as much

[naive cradle]

bleed teams are mid

[pliant wyvern]

fuck i meant bubbled

[naive cradle]

burn rn is better

[civic relic]

???

wdym fix

is it being moved out of soft tier?

[pliant wyvern]

wounded and bubbled arent meant to stack

[civic relic]

oh they stack?

[azure chasm]

save the bleed team, griffith!

[pliant wyvern]

idk if the fix was pushed to make it so they dont

[naive cradle]

why would grifftih bleed 😭😭

[naive cradle]

they stack??

[civic relic]

imma be honest almost nobody besides the bozos on lbs use alucard

[naive cradle]

tbf i don't have alucard yet

[pliant wyvern]

they might idk

[naive cradle]

I need alu form lb

[nova mural]

i could check rq

[naive cradle]

For

[pliant wyvern]

i would test but no alu

[naive cradle]

I'm 1.5m down rn

[nova mural]

💔

[civic relic]

ill test for u dw

[pliant wyvern]

no alu is the whole reason i stopped running wl
i got my t12 in the season where regen didnt work

[azure chasm]

was really that rare to get him on 40k gems

[naive cradle]

icl this tourney is perfect for me

I got every character for traits monarch 😭😭

And deadeye vsjw ofc

[vast river]

what fix

[civic relic]

most dont get him til around 1m

or like g money, no alu in 2.6m

[pliant wyvern]

wounded and bubbled stacking
idk if fix came out yet, if not it will come with 8.0

[azure chasm]

i got him when i was going for ichigo

i didn't got ichigo

💔

[naive cradle]

he'll still be top support

unless Griffith supports

[civic relic]

doesnt change my playstyle, i dont use alucard anyway

[pliant wyvern]

he will still be good
just not as dominant

[naive cradle]

I actually hope they make Griffith like the AA version

100% buff is nice

[civic relic]

no clue what that might be but no

[azure chasm]

from the sneak looks like it will be more like astd one

[pliant wyvern]

i hate aa griffith

[nova mural]

i cant tell if the bleed is triggering the bubbled

[naive cradle]

makes you actually want to bring a support

[civic relic]

nobody should ever take inspiration from AA besides for the dungeons

[nova mural]

but the icon isnt showing up soo

[naive cradle]

it was a cool concept

100% buff

[pliant wyvern]

i sure do love running 2 farms and 2 buffers and having 2 slots for actual unit choice

[civic relic]

nothing should EVER give a 100% buff

what

[pliant wyvern]

and it was left at 30k yen for 100% buff for so long

[naive cradle]

I'm oab the old one

[pliant wyvern]

and it stacked with other buffers for a fucking 400% buff

[civic relic]

💀

broken unit

[naive cradle]

yeah griffith was busted

[civic relic]

yea no that will not be added to AV

it'd trivialize all content

[naive cradle]

let's js hope av cooks

[civic relic]

seperate people based on whether u have griffith or not

[pliant wyvern]

and griffith dps form was dogshit outside of inf

[vast river]

oh my god thats horrifyingly beutiful

i love that

[civic relic]

they havent let down yet (besides for the AOT and dandandan updates)

[naive cradle]

imo 6.0 was good besides the bugs

the units were fun

7.0 was actually horrendous

in terms of everything

7.5 is my best update to date

got 3 monarchs 😍

[civic relic]

yea i liked the guilty gear update, was actually really fun and well made

[pliant wyvern]

everything?

[naive cradle]

got escanor in 60k

[nova mural]

i think 7.5 was good

[naive cradle]

wym

[pliant wyvern]

oops wrong response

[civic relic]

just cuz i dont know the units doesnt mean i cant enjoy them

[naive cradle]

oh

[civic relic]

its a tower defense game after all

[nova mural]

7.0*

[pliant wyvern]

dis one i meant

[naive cradle]

they were well made

[civic relic]

exactly

[naive cradle]

wasn't bad js the units are highkey ass

[civic relic]

i can forgive the choice of update if the units are fun to use and well made

[naive cradle]

units this update all have uses too

[azure chasm]

im still waiting for solbadguy cosmetic

[nova mural]

in terms of qol

i think 7.0 was like

[civic relic]

i cannot forgive it being a well known anime with boring units (like AOT update besides zeke)

[nova mural]

one of if not the best

[naive cradle]

2 of them are rlly good for beginners

hiei has insane dps

[vast river]

i still remember my friend saying its over for av

[naive cradle]

weather report best support

escanor js busted

[civic relic]

meanwhile ALS is currently hitting lows that even AV hasnt hit in a while

[naive cradle]

and wukong is good

[civic relic]

when a month ago they were at 70k+ ccu

[pliant wyvern]

als fell off so hard
i havent even been bothered to farm the last 2 godlies

[naive cradle]

Been loyal to av since update 3

[naive cradle]

im too lazy to get johnny

[civic relic]

dude i havent obtained a godly since garou

[azure chasm]

Astdx walked so av could run

[nova mural]

als and av switched places

[naive cradle]

getting Midas on him just genuinely killed

[nova mural]

its absurd

[naive cradle]

astdx hot ass bro

[civic relic]

not even switched dude

[naive cradle]

never liked it 😭

[civic relic]

ALS is performing worse than AV has in the past few months

ARX has like 8k more ccu than ALS rn

[naive cradle]

they're running outta hype anime to do icl

[civic relic]

both owned by boss

[azure chasm]

they are reusing units
bro killua was already a unit and they added another one

[nova mural]

dude can they pls make sjw's unit dmg thing not black

[naive cradle]

als had like 7 different dragon ball updates

[nova mural]

its like

[azure chasm]

[civic relic]

not to mention the questionable balance choices and straight up awful bugs and grammar

[nova mural]

impossible to see

[vast river]

heres a fun pic of about a week after aa came out

[naive cradle]

yeah it's stupid

[naive cradle]

i remb aa was free comments

[azure chasm]

newgens

[naive cradle]

or aa is free

[azure chasm]

aa hate is stupid

is like hating your grandpa

[vast river]

buddy we better not be clinging onto that straw

[pliant wyvern]

boss after doing like 3 berserk updates in a month

[nova mural]

money glitch

[civic relic]

me when i lie for no reason

AA hate is justified

[nova mural]

i wonder if he'll deadass buy aa

💀

[civic relic]

they had an entire year to improve the game

yet released slop

[pliant wyvern]

idk why he would

[nova mural]

idk why he keeps buying games bro

[vast river]

then av DUNKED on aa with vsjw

[pliant wyvern]

aa is doomed
and would just compete with als

[civic relic]

AA should have rest in peace

not returned from the dead

it aint jesus

[nova mural]

we dont even need more td games

idk why he would try to revive aa

[pliant wyvern]

or had devs who cared about the game rather than just the money

[nova mural]

not to mention he would just copy and paste stuff from als

like the godly quests

[civic relic]

when AA first released it was ahead of its time, when it released again it was behind the time

[nova mural]

they all have the same structure

[azure chasm]

adventure rarity

[nova mural]

and he just slapped that onto arx

[pliant wyvern]

the aa rerelease was deadass the update they already had mostly done before shutdown
so it all just went downhill for future content

i still remember how i wasted like 2 hours doing that dumbass mahoraga portal when it just wasnt possible to beat

[civic relic]

guys trust

anime adventures x coming out in 2028

it'll have the quality of stuff from this year

[azure chasm]

was the latest arx update really that bad
my friend told me it was like playing dandandan dungeon

[vast river]

vegita super is still meta gang hes a meta monarch

[civic relic]

it got a lot worse once boss studios acquired it

all the old hard to get items suddenly became really easy

getting new meta units takes forever

like godlies in als

[nova mural]

thats their thing

[azure chasm]

my friend told me that gohan model look like ai generated

does he really look that bad

[civic relic]

this is him btw

[nova mural]

when boss studios bought arx they just started pumping out codes

[vast river]

i mean i havent really played many other atd's but the only one i played more than once was astd x and that was cool with its quests, but the animations were slop

[nova mural]

holy shit

[azure chasm]

bro what is that face

[civic relic]

yea its BAD lol

[azure chasm]

[nova mural]

i heard someone say they fired the only good modeler

but fucjk

i didnt know it was that bad

[civic relic]

reminds me of beerus and vegita ngl

[azure chasm]

vegita was good

[nova mural]

atleast it aint as bad as that gon model

[civic relic]

peak dawg

[vast river]

beerus why are ur arms longer than ur legs and torso

[scarlet cargo]

They found a way to make newer models worse than release arx models

Shit is so cooked

[vast river]

and why is his torso so small

[civic relic]

out here looking like this

[scarlet cargo]

Gon's new als model was okay ngl

[azure chasm]

the katakuri model made my eyes bleed

[vast river]

cup legs

[scarlet cargo]

Had to replace the stolen assets with something

[nova mural]

i remember people said that als surpassed av in quality when they dropped the berserk upd

[civic relic]

yea wait until we actually get the same units

[pliant wyvern]

the unevo models are somehow worse

[vast river]

av will always have the best quality

[civic relic]

watch AV just leap over ALS in unit design lol

[azure chasm]

why av is the only game that did gohan right

[vast river]

the av ui is so fucking cleannn

[pliant wyvern]

dont worry man brandon said they hired the balancing avengers

[azure chasm]

everyone else hate gohan or what

[nova mural]

😭

[azure chasm]

[civic relic]

gohan is one of the few units i could see getting a vanguard evo

[nova mural]

didnt gilga get powercrept

[civic relic]

another being ichigo

[nova mural]

after being like

[vast river]

goathan used to clear challenges for me but now hes to weak

[nova mural]

the best for months

[pliant wyvern]

yea gilga lasted a while

[civic relic]

well that was also partially due to there being almost no updates for a while

[vast river]

VEGITAVEGITAVEGITA

i beg 🙏

[pliant wyvern]

and they liked doing like 2-3 updates of dogshit units then drop big powercreep ones

[nova mural]

my experience with als powercreep is
release a busted unit -> every loves the unit and is hype abt how strong they are -> nerf the unit next upd
and they just repeat that

[pliant wyvern]

als passives kept getting longer while changing nothing about how the passives function

[nova mural]

😭

all the passives are just dmg buffs

[pliant wyvern]

they gave johnny a resource meter that you just dont have to manage cuz its fully automated and will never run out

[nova mural]

i mean

atleast the game is better than when it released

😭

als on release was so bad

didnt they have blamspot as a dev

[pliant wyvern]

ye

[scarlet cargo]

Wasnt he owner

[nova mural]

not sure

[scarlet cargo]

They fired bray lets see if that changes

[nova mural]

all ik is he worked on the game

or was like a higher up

[scarlet cargo]

Johnny and tusk have 3 page long passives

[civic relic]

He was a lead balancer

And a friend of mine lol

[nova mural]

😭

[civic relic]

I say lead balancer but really he was a balance suggester

The devs decided the balance on their own

Even after I stopped being a tester I had to help them balance a unit pre-release of the update 💀

[nova mural]

you love to see it

too bad we'll never get another game like prime astd again

[cobalt fern]

astdx so ass

[nova mural]

it was fun for like 2 weeks

after they dropped the first upd or wtv

i got so bored of it

[cobalt fern]

the entire gameplay loop is doing challenges over and over and over

[nova mural]

i hate those type of challenges

it seems like challenges in all td games are ass rn

the 30 min wait in av sucks

and the challenges where its a chance for u to get what u want but u have to do it over and over is also fucking trash

[naive cradle]

icl

yhwach

idk

if its worth rolling on him

[unreal berry]

go roll dude

hes still op
immune to stuns and can cleanse himself
attacks twice with a full aoe
and cheap for high dmg

even then

hes op as a support as well

[naive cradle]

i got him eth 😭

i wanna save yk

till next update

ill wait till next update

if the units arem id

all the rerolls go on yhwach

i js dk where he would fit on my team

[unreal berry]

yikes

just save ig

but i suggest rolling on kaguya and esc
and jin mori

if youre done with then

then youre good to save

[unreal berry]

prob not

since they realized aot upd sucked butt

and this upd

all the units are pretty good

and its a berserk upd

they know making the units weak will piss off everyone

[naive cradle]

I got kaguya and esc monarch

Jin Mori seems unnesdcearry

[naive cradle]

yeah I'll js save

[unreal berry]

nice

[unreal berry]

hes really op

and good for rift mvps

but up to you

[naive cradle]

ill think 😭

i got so much monarchs

[azure chasm]

bump

[cobalt fern]

this shit is ass twin

dont bump ts

[azure chasm]

idc bro
i will die bumping it suggestion

[scarlet cargo]

Clearly not 🙏

[scarlet cargo]

"Make the game harder for new people reduce the ccu wah wah wah"

[azure chasm]

bump
i want new players to suffer

[tawny tusk]

Bring the ddd Mode back but make us play 1 hour and 3 minutes to finish one stage

30

[azure chasm]

ok im not that evil

[tawny tusk]

LET THEM SUFFER

Jk i love my fellow new vanguardian buddys

Yk

Instead of that

Lets hope they push the release of silky Song back so we all suffer

[azure chasm]

it will just be another trailer and no release date

[desert roost]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-be-taking-that-spongebob-patrick-star-robbery-burglar-gif-16207758

[swift warren]

Why did they made escanor literaly free, like 5 days of playing and you have him guarantided

[unkempt atlas]

yes i got monarch escanor ye i gatekeep rift for next 200 upds

[scarlet cargo]

Apparently the top 4 character being accessible to all is a bad thing now

[swift warren]

I mean, yeah??? Literaly vanguards was to be rare, and not every one should have them

[unkempt atlas]

ye

if it was diavolo and gogeta

but not shit ass kaguya and escanor

you guys want they are worth your grinds

so they have to be meta

and now yall them to be rare

https://tenor.com/view/colixart-hahaha-lol-thats-so-gif-18358692180034999134

[scarlet cargo]

Why is bro still stuck in 1.5

[swift warren]

Huh😭

Bro

[scarlet cargo]

They let gogeta stay for 6 months, added a pity, intentionally lowered the difficulty of spring portals and made the new mode easy and you think their aim is to gatekeep vanguards?

[swift warren]

No, and that is the problem

[scarlet cargo]

Clearly not

[unkempt atlas]

yes i have all vanguards watch me gatekeep tournament for next 200 year

[scarlet cargo]

Considering this is the best performing update since 1.0. Who wouldve thought casual players are more inclined to play if they can actually get the main unit of the update.