#buff gogeta and bring back diavolo

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wintry osprey
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No

peak quail
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No

ionic seal
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No

lament summit
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peak suggestion

wintry osprey
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Suggestions so good it got deleted 😭✌️

lament summit
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Suggestion so idiotic it's not happening

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They might buff diavolo in Halloween and gogeta in winter

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Not now

wintry osprey
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Two diavolo buffs 💔

hoary ingot
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delete diavolo so that diooh can be the only jojo vanguard

peak quail
hoary ingot
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lame

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couldve been a cool holy vanguard

peak quail
chrome vessel
hard prism
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Come on guys my diavolo is still meta

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He carries me through on stage

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Did i mention that his flawness is not something stupid like shield fraud

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Which make him better than escanor and cosmic cleanses his debuff make him better than gogeta

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🗣️ 🔥

hoary ingot
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escanor hate needs to be stopped he can solo the cid raid faster than any other team comp by just smacking him down in the middle

wind maple
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Who made that suggestion

hoary ingot
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top 2 vanguard

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#loveescanor

peak quail
hoary ingot
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im whoopin yo ass

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don play w me 🐅

hard prism
peak quail
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and yet yhwach still stronger than them all

lament summit
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Ywach supremacy

chrome vessel
hoary ingot
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i have a hypermaxed yhwach and i think hes worse.

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dont have a good fam on him rn but i wanna flex

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peak quail
spiral frigate
peak quail
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hes good cus hes 60k to max and has full aoe map wide range with x2 dmg, multi hit, and high dps

hoary ingot
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ok tbf he is the best shield breaker in the game after toji

spiral frigate
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theres 0 way u think yhwach is worse

hoary ingot
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ok yhwach is better than diavolo & gogeta

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way better

runic geyser
hoary ingot
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but vsjw kag & escanor?

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idk bout that one

spiral frigate
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hes better than escanor

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hes the best unit in the game bro lets be real

hoary ingot
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damage lowkey fell off

spiral frigate
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no bro no

runic geyser
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i honestly dont get why he's top 1 in the tl

peak quail
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use him and you will find out

runic geyser
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i did

spiral frigate
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he just explained it..

runic geyser
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ethereal tho

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didnt read

spiral frigate
runic geyser
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wait a sec

peak quail
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with a full team of monarchs he still does like 70k dps

runic geyser
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i mean

hoary ingot
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also how is ethereal better than monarch on him

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i dont get that

peak quail
peak quail
spiral frigate
hoary ingot
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yhwach

runic geyser
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the cost doesnt matter since escanor autoupgs

hoary ingot
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why does the wiki say so

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or at least it used to

peak quail
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bro is using evil wiki

hoary ingot
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hold on

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on jah it says eth

spiral frigate
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it doesn’t

hoary ingot
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on the tier list it doesnt

spiral frigate
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thats with unlimited yen

hoary ingot
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yeah

spiral frigate
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and hes 3 placements

peak quail
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still worse

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idk why it says that

runic geyser
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ngl escanor is ass only against shield and earlyon when there are bosses that stun and hes not in ulti

spiral frigate
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^

hoary ingot
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he eats up his damage tho

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so

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idk why they did that

peak quail
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only ethereal when u using him for support like a weirdo

hoary ingot
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yea

runic geyser
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i think escanor deserves to be immune to status effects by default

hoary ingot
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cant even sup others

peak quail
hoary ingot
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yea hes like the perfect lazy unit

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and has cray cray dps

spiral frigate
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even if escanor gets stunned he kills basically everything that leaves his range

peak quail
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escanor inumaki square path todo tech

runic geyser
peak quail
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gatekeeping

runic geyser
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its just simple

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immunity to status but cleanse to debuffs

spiral frigate
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hes fine tho

runic geyser
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yes he is but its annoying

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to get stunned

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ugh

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anyways

grave jacinth
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bring back diavolo

runic geyser
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hes better than yhwach

grave jacinth
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aint nobody want his trash ass

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😭

spiral frigate
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hes not better than yhwach brobro

peak quail
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what yall know about escanor inumaki square path todo tech

grave jacinth
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at max you using diavolo for like

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3 mins

peak quail
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lol

hoary ingot
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not me

grave jacinth
peak quail
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demand in trading gonna be high

hoary ingot
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whats his dps at max

peak quail
grave jacinth
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well they’re not getting it

runic geyser
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mon yhwach 22 units in ashfallen:
400k dmg -> 800k
8 spa

hoary ingot
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who is using 22 units ✌️

runic geyser
peak quail
grave jacinth
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we all overpricing hakura and diavolo

runic geyser
peak quail
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gng that’s literally 100k dps u said

runic geyser
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he burns every enemy in range and antileaks with his other passives

runic geyser
hard prism
runic geyser
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escanor ulti 200k dps

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without team revolved around him btw

peak quail
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yeah cus 120k dps with circle aoe and no multi hit is good while 100k dps with full aoe and full map range with multi hit is buns

runic geyser
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so basically u can have other monarchs in the team and escanor is still 200k dps full immune in ulti has a nuke and antileaks

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sooo

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yeah

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hes better

peak quail
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hes not

spiral frigate
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💀

runic geyser
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rare + 2 farms team lmao

peak quail
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@velvet pelican humble ts

spiral frigate
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yhwach is undisputed best unit in the game

runic geyser
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3 rares

spiral frigate
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just let it go

runic geyser
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no bruh

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he aint

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hes buns

peak quail
spiral frigate
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double u bait

spiral frigate
peak quail
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u dont even need rares

peak quail
spiral frigate
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at most u bring hibana

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u dont have to burn slots

peak quail
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nah

runic geyser
peak quail
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well if u dont burn slots

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yhwach 10x better

hard prism
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escanmid and yhwahaha

runic geyser
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yes yhwach is better than escanor if u dont burn slots

hard prism
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even akaza had more meta tournament than diavolo

peak quail
velvet pelican
# runic geyser team revolved

highest full aoe dps in the game with massive range, hes inexpensive, immune to status effects, cleanses himself with cosmic, clears every content in the game, not to mention he can be used as a buff unit if you so wish

spiral frigate
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im not using inumaki or todo

peak quail
runic geyser
peak quail
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idiot

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auto upg + no team revolved

runic geyser
peak quail
velvet pelican
peak quail
runic geyser
peak quail
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definition of team revolved

runic geyser
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well technically you're right

peak quail
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also you dont need a team around yhwach

runic geyser
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but still if they're both team revolved escanor is better

peak quail
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70k dps still with a full monarch team

runic geyser
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wait a sec

hard prism
spiral frigate
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but alr

peak quail
spiral frigate
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no

hard prism
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they should put shield in any stage instead of regen

spiral frigate
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just place him at wave 2

hard prism
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so those escanor glazers can shut up

runic geyser
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isnt it literally 50k dps with full monarch team

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lol wtf

spiral frigate
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a little bit back

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and ur fine

velvet pelican
runic geyser
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familiar

hard prism
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we all see that diavolo

runic geyser
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is it birb

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im using the dps calculator given in the tierlist page

peak quail
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still better than escanor

hard prism
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escanor is so mid guys

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runic geyser
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4 placements (farms)
3 for monarchs
7 total

godly stats

207.5k dmg
7.9 spa

velvet pelican
runic geyser
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double the dmg

velvet pelican
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iirc

runic geyser
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52k dps

peak quail
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wait until this guy plays a tournament

runic geyser
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lol

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buns

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buns

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buns

runic geyser
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anyways depends on gamemode

hard prism
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he is good on any gamemode anyways

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good in traitless wl without weather buff

velvet pelican
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only mode escanor is superior on is cid

runic geyser
peak quail
# runic geyser buns

yeah man 52k dps full aoe with huge range while also having 3 other monarchs and for only 60k yen is buns

runic geyser
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portals

peak quail
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whatever you say

runic geyser
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with boosts

velvet pelican
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yhwach buff mode -> buffs aizen -> mvp

peak quail
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yhwach better for rifts if you want to clear it

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if ur mvp farming escanor better

hard prism
runic geyser
peak quail
runic geyser
hard prism
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yhwach is good on any modifier

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depend what

peak quail
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fym depends on modifier

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30 shield is 30 shield

hard prism
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yhwach is good in any stage any gamemode any modifiers

runic geyser
hard prism
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the only flaw yhwach has is his mid ass dps at middle while waiting for final form

peak quail
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not that big of a deal

runic geyser
peak quail
runic geyser
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not a full monarch team

peak quail
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also u dont need full team

runic geyser
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lol

velvet pelican
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easiest way to know if a unit is good is by testing them in hard modes, yhwach is better then escanor in all game modes other then odyssey and cid raid

peak quail
hard prism
peak quail
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limit break makes him busted

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how is escanor stronger

runic geyser
hard prism
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he has auto upgrade

peak quail
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money isnt an issue in odyssey

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never has been

hard prism
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but you can 🥭

peak quail
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you cant 🥭 odyssey

hard prism
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i aint place 999 units for yhwach

peak quail
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and escanor better

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wow

runic geyser
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yall saying an upd 4 unit is better than an up 7.5 unit right

peak quail
runic geyser
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all the more reason to buff escanor lol

hard prism
runic geyser
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10m dmg
2 spa

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trust me

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hes balanced like that

peak quail
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you are being lazy

hard prism
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💔

peak quail
runic geyser
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i haven't tested

runic geyser
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how the fuck are you this dumb

peak quail
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he has no weaknesses

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they arent making another one of those

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unhealthy for the game

runic geyser
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unintentionally so they just leave him top 1 and make an upd 7.5 unit vanguard which is 10x rarer and harder to get and promised to powercreep a top 4 unit

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alright

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good reasoning

runic geyser
peak quail
runic geyser
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does escanor's nuke bypass shields

peak quail
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idk

hard prism
runic geyser
peak quail
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if he knew he would probably answer

runic geyser
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anyways

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if it doesnt

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it should

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imma test later

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that and immunity to status effects and cleanse to debuffs

hard prism
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if doesnt and i dont want he does

peak quail
runic geyser
spiral frigate
peak quail
runic geyser
peak quail
spiral frigate
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they dont

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just multihit

wind socket
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Man I literally just woke up

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You think I wanna argue

runic geyser
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yes j mean that

spiral frigate
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sjws nuke is multi

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kaguyas isnt iirc

runic geyser
spiral frigate
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maybe 2 hits

peak quail
runic geyser
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dude they can deal w the shields before nuking

peak quail
runic geyser
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thats what i meant

cloud cairn
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delete suggestion w/l

spiral frigate
runic geyser
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bro

spiral frigate
runic geyser
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anyways

peak quail
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kaguyas

spiral frigate
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i did test it

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her nuke doesnt bypass shields

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😭

peak quail
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swear it does

runic geyser
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yo how do i change my name cuz retsuswords isnt my display name

runic geyser
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sooo

spiral frigate
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ok but thats different

runic geyser
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dude

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anyways escanor would still be weak to shields if only his nuke bypassed shields

spiral frigate
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why would they make a nuke bypass shields 💔

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thats fucked up

hard prism
runic geyser
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dumb question brody

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one time use ability

spiral frigate
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not dumb lol

runic geyser
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why shouldnt it

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yes it is

spiral frigate
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why SHOULD it

runic geyser
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a one time ability

cloud cairn
runic geyser
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which cant be used again

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cant get through shields

spiral frigate
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okay?

runic geyser
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is that ok

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bro

hard prism
runic geyser
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2000 iq moments

spiral frigate
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so cuz u can only use it once it should just bypass an entire modifier

cloud cairn
stark jewel
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Someone post the "How is this a suggestion it's just you complaining" GIF

hard prism
runic geyser
spiral frigate
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bros just asking for another escanor buff

runic geyser
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aight bro

spiral frigate
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thats absurd man sorry

hard prism
runic geyser
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what about immunity to status effects by default

spiral frigate
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escanor is fine

runic geyser
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but cleanse to debuffs like it is now

spiral frigate
runic geyser
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no lol i get stunned every 2 seconds

spiral frigate
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he still kills everything in range

runic geyser
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only ultimate makes so he cant get stunned

hard prism
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ask gogeta if he has immunity or cleanse

hoary ingot
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Js use sjw bro

spiral frigate
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and if u know thats the case why not strategize and play around it

runic geyser
spiral frigate
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12hr also makes him immune

hoary ingot
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Ur using escnaor for the wrong thing

spiral frigate
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either way esca is fine

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and hes goated

runic geyser
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why is he top 4 then

hard prism
spiral frigate
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what

runic geyser
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i mean he is fine for me with having the weakness to shields but its annoying that he gets stunned

runic geyser
hard prism
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use him with other units then

spiral frigate
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he still slaughters everything that leaves his range

spiral frigate
runic geyser
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no

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i meant

spiral frigate
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then whats the problem

runic geyser
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how are they better

spiral frigate
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because of how they function

runic geyser
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and isnt escanor supposed to be better

peak quail
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cus they all have more versatility and usability and dmg isnt the only stat

spiral frigate
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no?

runic geyser
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what

spiral frigate
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idk why where that notion came from

runic geyser
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devs?

spiral frigate
hard prism
runic geyser
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is powercreep just supposed to be dmg increase lol

peak quail
runic geyser
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then powercrep is meant to be the definition of better right

peak quail
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they said powercreep would be stronger referring to the non vanguards

runic geyser
chrome vessel
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How are yhwach, vsjw and kaguya better than escanor?

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Is that what we're at now

peak quail
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yes

chrome vessel
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🥀

runic geyser
chrome vessel
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Yhwach is 70k to max, has the best aoe in the game, and gets to ridiculous dps numbers with or even without sakura.

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He also has a self cleanse

spiral frigate
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the powercreep of this update IS just big numbers

peak quail
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@velvet pelican you should make an image with 100 reasons why yhwach is best unit in game so we dont need to have this argument every single time

runic geyser
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dude i get that hes better for every gamemode

velvet pelican
chrome vessel
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Not to mention hes the 2nd best placement unit in the game.

velvet pelican
hard prism
chrome vessel
runic geyser
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and they said that it was unintentional and unhealthy for the game

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alright so lets exclude yhwach

chrome vessel
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Vsjw is the best placement unit, has unknown element, has the best utility in the game in summons, bear spam is one of the most broken things in the game. He also is a must bring if you're using kaguya.

runic geyser
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but still vsjw and kaguya are considered better than escanor

spiral frigate
runic geyser
spiral frigate
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who is just a damage dealer

chrome vessel
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Kaguya has the strongest buff in the game, her dps is rather high, her ability to copy elements is insanely strong, she has very good crowd control, and she will always be relevant because of how insane the domains are.

tranquil zealot
chrome vessel
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Extremely high placement dps also helps

tranquil zealot
peak quail
# spiral frigate the powercreep of this update IS just big numbers

they did this for a reason, they wanted to simplify passives cus normally all their powercreep is from passives but they were getting too complex and annoying. on stage they said their powercreep cycle will be dmg > passives > stronger passives > more complex passives (slightly annoying) > big dmg > repeat

runic geyser
chrome vessel
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That is powercreep

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Just because the top 3 remain unchanged doesnt mean powercreep didnt occur

peak quail
brittle sinew
runic geyser
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isnt powercreep literally meant to be better than previous units

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bto

peak quail
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too bad they over nerfed elphelt

chrome vessel
spiral frigate
chrome vessel
spiral frigate
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and u cant disregard the fact that every unit from this upd is meta

runic geyser
brittle sinew
chrome vessel
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No?

spiral frigate
runic geyser
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because it should be better not a damage increase

spiral frigate
chrome vessel
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Or what

brittle sinew
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everyone apart from escanor jin mori and maybe weather report

peak quail
# chrome vessel Deserved as hell

the love shot nerf was fine imo but the dps nerf wasnt needed that heavily especially since her dmg is from shotgun loop micromanage and the new units have her dps without micromanage

hard prism
runic geyser
hoary ingot
spiral frigate
peak quail
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like they couldve nerfed her dps but not as heavily

spiral frigate
brittle sinew
spiral frigate
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hes not inherently supposed to be better

chrome vessel
spiral frigate
chrome vessel
tranquil zealot
hard prism
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we got weather report which is alucard but better without bleed and hie which is rem but a lot better this upd

spiral frigate
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if that was the case there wouldnt be multiple meta units

runic geyser
brittle sinew
chrome vessel
spiral frigate
chrome vessel
spiral frigate
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as well as big numbers

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simple

brittle sinew
peak quail
peak quail
runic geyser
spiral frigate
peak quail
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1970 already been ban evading with mushy123

hard prism
chrome vessel
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Ig a unit isnt meta if its not top 1 💀 💀

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Every single day i learn smth new

runic geyser
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i just hope guts/griffith are like broken tier

brittle sinew
tranquil zealot
runic geyser
tranquil zealot
peak quail
tranquil zealot
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and judar can make enemies take 50% more damage from doy

peak quail
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people are getting dumber

brittle sinew
peak quail
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humans are devolving

tranquil zealot
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he is better than weather report by a lot

chrome vessel
peak quail
chrome vessel
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Judar glaze in this day and age

hard prism
runic geyser
brittle sinew
chrome vessel
peak quail
chrome vessel
hard prism
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the current tournament has bleed and dark mage is not even in the strat

brittle sinew
peak quail
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judar isnt even used for bleed he’s used for diseased

runic geyser
runic geyser
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is that understandable

hard prism
tranquil zealot
hard prism
chrome vessel
peak quail
runic geyser
chrome vessel
peak quail
runic geyser
brittle sinew
chrome vessel
runic geyser
peak quail
runic geyser
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dude i never said kaguya is better

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than vsjw

chrome vessel
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Then where did the idea of "new vanguard will definitely be better than old ones" come from

brittle sinew
peak quail
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wtv u say

runic geyser
peak quail
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?afk ping me when ballin made the 100 reasons why yhwach is best unit in game

tropic impBOT
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@peak quail I set your AFK: ping me when ballin made the 100 reasons why yhwach is best unit in game

brittle sinew
tropic impBOT
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apoc (@funkycow1111) is AFK: ping me when ballin made the 100 reasons why yhwach is best unit in game - a few seconds ago

crimson ibex
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at this point make suggestions have a google forms to let people answer and see if they get a good score to suggest

chrome vessel
crimson ibex
runic geyser
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for the 10th time i thought that "powercreep" meant: overall better.

chrome vessel
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It does mean better overall, however the standard isnt the top 3 units in the game.

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Thats all

brittle sinew
tropic impBOT
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apoc (@funkycow1111) is AFK: ping me when ballin made the 100 reasons why yhwach is best unit in game - a minute ago

peak quail
chrome vessel
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Anyway we're not even arguing anymore gang i got it

runic geyser
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"we are adding a vanguard that will powercreep previous unitz".

you confirmed "powercreep" means overall better, but you're wrong about the standard not being top 3 units in this case. because a vanguard's standard should be that

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vanguard powercreep should mean this:

new vanguard>previous vanguards

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there's no arguing over this

chrome vessel
runic geyser
chrome vessel
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Clearly has not been the case

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So its just smth that makes sense to you personally

runic geyser
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then clearly they didnt powercreep correctly

chrome vessel
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In your opinion

runic geyser
brittle sinew
runic geyser
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not my opinion

chrome vessel
runic geyser
# chrome vessel

i meant that it makes sense in general, i maybe said something wrong

wise folio
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buff gogeta pls

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lament summit
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No