Refunding Feature for Units That You've Spent Rerolls On

[ivory verge]

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Add a feature for normalizing units (or a different name) that you have spent rerolls on already, basically a refund mechanic. To make it balanced, instead of refunding the full amount spent, players could receive 1/4th the amount spent on that unit.

For example, when rolling for monarch on my aizen, I decided to roll on a duplicate after getting ethereal and spent around 100-120 rerolls on the dupe. So if I were to refund my dupe aizen, then I would get 50-60 rerolls in return. It could either be a monthly event where players are allowed to refund 1-3 units, a ticket which can be given through a code for milestones met or every .0 update. When a unit is refunded, the refunded unit's mythic trait pity's will be reset to 0 to avoid any way to exploit this feature. If a unit is refunded, you will have to wait until the next update to roll on it again.

It would be a nice feature to have in the game for extra rrs, especially if we don't use the unit being refunded anymore, and the ways listed would leave both players and developers satisfied

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[ivory verge]

Refunding Feature for Units That You've Spent Rerolls On

[icy flicker]

Nice in theory but u could cheese it by doing 2 rolls then normalizing till u get monarch

[ivory verge]

So there should be a requirement needed to normalize it then

like you need to have spent a certain amount

[icy flicker]

Unless it’s like 1000 u just roll to that then normalize if u don’t get monarch it would be super easy to cheese unless it deletes the unit

[ivory verge]

That could be a requirement, the unit being deleted

I revised the example and the explanation as to how the mechanic would work

[cursive karma]

IMO should be a recurring event or occasional ticket to prevent abuse

[ivory verge]

elaborate on that

[cursive karma]

As in like either a monthly event where they allow you to refund maybe 1 - 3 units or a ticket given via a code for a milestone or .0 update. They will never ever implement a full refund system with no caveat - their reroll prices show that they are very greedy so this is the best compromise I can think of

[ivory verge]

So instead of the reqs, this would be a better solution

which both the players and devs could be happy

[cursive karma]

Yeah because the last group of players the devs would want saving money (whales) would easily meet the requirements no matter how high they are - at least like this even these stingy devs can still make tons of money while letting us breathe once in a while

[ivory verge]

Alright, instead of the requirements I'll add that

[cursive karma]

🔥

[ebon hornet]

Goated idea implement this

[ivory verge]

Alright there we go, that should be good

[devout cave]

instead of deleting the unit, why not just have it force-set the pity of all mythic traits to 0?

just seems kinda needless to delete the unit

[ivory verge]

Because imagine if you're rolling on a unit, needing extra rerolls so you can hit a pity for a desired trait, that pity would be reset that way

Unless you mean on the specific unit which was refunded

[cosmic dragon]

make it so you can never roll again a trait in a unit normalized

[ivory verge]

I'll make sure thats added, thanks for that suggestion

[devout cave]

thats what i mean yea

reset the mythic pity for the unit that was reset

i felt like that was kinda implied lol

[ivory verge]

Alright I'll add that, mb😭

[devout cave]

like the end result of deleting the unit was just to not abuse the pity

but resetting the pity also solves that but in a more player friendly manner

u also dont need to have a unit refund limit if thats the case

since u only get back 50% of the rrs AND the pity is reset

[ivory verge]

on top of that, the refunded unit won't be able to be rolled on

[devout cave]

well i mean that seems kinda far, no?

resetting pity and halving what u spent is already a pretty hefty price

[cosmic dragon]

and loses any trait that unit had

[devout cave]

well thats just obvious

[ivory verge]

We could work on it

this is what we have so far

It could either be a monthly event where players are allowed to refund 1-3 units, a ticket which can be given through a code for milestones met or every .0 update. When a unit is refunded, the refunded unit's mythic trait pity's will be reset to 0 to avoid any way to exploit this feature. If a unit is refunded, you will not be able to roll on that unit again.

[devout cave]

whats the purpose behind the limit, the ticket, and the disability to roll on the unit

cuz those all just seem kinda needless

[ivory verge]

The limit is something for the devs

let me ping you in it

[ivory verge]

@devout cave

[ebon hornet]

Change the suggestion to get rrs for every mythic trait for excample solar = 5rrs deadeye= 10 = ethereal =20 monarch = 40

[devout cave]

bro what

no

[ebon hornet]

Thats alot more balanced

[devout cave]

thats not balanced at all 💀

monarch being equal to 8 solars is crazy

[ebon hornet]

U still have the chance to get mythic traits from banner

On rares

Kust like u normalize shinys

[ivory verge]

Tbh, i dont think anyone does that unless they own shiny hunter

[cosmic dragon]

rare af

[ebon hornet]

I have units with ober 1k rrs rolled with ure suggestion i should be able get 500 rrs for each refund

Thats broken

[cosmic dragon]

for me this works for untis which have fallen off the actual meta

[devout cave]

its fair for a player who as played as long as you have

[ivory verge]

thats what the limit is there for

[cosmic dragon]

i have a monarch Tengen, akaza and okarun

tell me when will i even use this units 🥀

[ivory verge]

1-3 units able to be refunded every month or every .0 upd

[ebon hornet]

In tourneys where they might get a 500 dmg or element buff

[ivory verge]

every .0 upd is like every 2 months

[cosmic dragon]

so ill prefer getting a little refund instead of never using the units again

[cosmic dragon]

not worth it, traitless also exists

[ebon hornet]

It will be better to get back some rrs for each mythic rarity than getting half rrs that youve dumped into the unit

[ivory verge]

how about this instead, "If a unit is refunded, you will have to wait a month after it has been refunded to roll on it."

[ivory verge]

so you think its better to get 40 rerolls back for a unit youve dumped 1k on

[cosmic dragon]

or maybe only refund on old units

[ivory verge]

if anything we should just say you get 1/4th of rrs back instead if 1/2

or 1/5th

[ebon hornet]

Well u still can get monarch on units u didnt plan to get on

[devout cave]

i'd say "until next update"

since who knows when they might bring back old units

[ebon hornet]

Devs wont add a refund system thats for sure

[devout cave]

imagine u reset a unit then literally 3 days later the devs sneak that unit coming back in a week

[ivory verge]

100%

[devout cave]

u have to get another one and/or wait 2.5 weeks to use it

[devout cave]

thats true

[ivory verge]

they're deadass about their money if anything

[devout cave]

no reason for them to

[cosmic dragon]

you can always get another unit

[ivory verge]

its more of something for limiteds

[cosmic dragon]

ikik

[devout cave]

that kinda ruins the whole point though

[cosmic dragon]

when vanguards fall off the meta

[devout cave]

if u can just get a new unit so easily, its not like ur old unit has anything u want to keep on it anyway

[cosmic dragon]

usless worldines

[devout cave]

so why such a long wait?

[ebon hornet]

I mean u can just cycle the rrs when your meta unit gets outdated from what you have suggested

[cosmic dragon]

tournament units

[devout cave]

it would still 1/2 ur rrs, so not rlly

[ebon hornet]

Still a chance to get monarch

[ivory verge]

tbh its better to change the 1/2 to 1/4

[devout cave]

true, but its not like u can "cycle the rrs"

[ivory verge]

its more balanced

[devout cave]

i'd say 1/3

1/4 is rlly low

[ebon hornet]

Btw u can farm 400rrs for free weekly

[devout cave]

assuming u get lbs, yes

[cosmic dragon]

jobs and school exist

[ebon hornet]

Thats without its 500 with lbs

[ivory verge]

i need this plan that yall speak of

[ivory verge]

facts😭

[ebon hornet]

Av is a 🥭 game 80% of content

[icy flicker]

Not everyone has a pc / computer

[devout cave]

50 from rift, 40 from boss rush, 10 from odyssey, 70 from bounties, 27 from daily chals, 20 from weekly chal = 217, what am i missing?

[north coral]

i dont think anyone actually plays this game manually except for mobile playeres

[ivory verge]

i sure as hell dont, especially rn

[icy flicker]

160 from 🥭

[cosmic dragon]

ikik, but its not like you can do it with tnytsk only

[ebon hornet]

There are macs for androids too

The devs are generous with rrs

[ivory verge]

i changed the 1/2 to 1/4th, that takes both parties into consideration

[icy flicker]

iPhones are the most popular phone

[devout cave]

how exactly? portals? thats not accurate in terms of average rr rates since that depends on rng, im also excluding half hourly challenges since thats unrealistic for mobile and console

[icy flicker]

Atleast where I live

[cosmic dragon]

only for those who 🥭

and its not even that great

[icy flicker]

That was from half hourly challenges

[ebon hornet]

U get 35 rrs just for logging in??

And 20 rrs for one challange

[north coral]

u prob get like 150 total from just logging in

[ebon hornet]

And dont forget the 200 rrs form summer and spring shop

If youre smart with spending your rrs you have a guaranteed monarch in less than a month

[cosmic dragon]

need to do like 100 portals tho

[north coral]

and from the new coin shop

idk how much rr it gives tho i never bought it

[ebon hornet]

U can leech or play event without needing units

[ebon hornet]

Yeah thats like the best thing for new players

[devout cave]

then yea thats unrealistic

[cosmic dragon]

it's good but it's only once like every 2 or 3 months

[icy flicker]

Only if u 🥭 and assuming u haven’t already claimed the 200

Realistically it takes 4-5 weeks

[devout cave]

well they need to up the rates of rrs if they keep releasing updates so fast

AOT took 3 weeks, this one took 2.5

yet it takes a month per monarch?

[ebon hornet]

Its fine

[icy flicker]

Not when the meta units need monarch

U can’t use any vanguard without it

[devout cave]

i'd prefer they go back to monthly updates if they refuse to buff rr rates

[ebon hornet]

To hit pity monarch is still a special trait

[north coral]

how much rr does it give?

[ebon hornet]

I have 100 coins from decadent event rn

[copper cliff]

using the coins for rr is stupid
they are easy farmable

[ebon hornet]

Ur not supposed to get all meta units monarch for less effort its simple as that

[copper cliff]

[ebon hornet]

For them its not

[icy flicker]

Yes but the game forces u to get it

All the vanguard are 1 placement

[north coral]

how?

bro

[copper cliff]

sure bro

[north coral]

no?

😭

deadeye sjw:

[ebon hornet]

Look

[copper cliff]

av players complain the unit is ass with monarch and then complain the unit need monarch to be good

[ivory verge]

lets hurry up and come to an agreement

[ebon hornet]

If youre really desperate to get a monarch just get it on escanor since he is a one man team

Then never complain about monarchs or rrs

Alr?

[ivory verge]

absolute cinema

[copper cliff]

just use the rrs on vsjw or kaguya

or lancer

[ebon hornet]

no

[ebon hornet]

HE has to use them on escanor

[north coral]

are u coping with ur monarch lancer

[ebon hornet]

Because its hard to gain them

[cosmic dragon]

lancer?

[icy flicker]

I’m not desperate for monarch tho? I just want more rr

[ivory verge]

wym monarch lancer is meta

[copper cliff]

lancer hate is crazy

he is meta

[slim sparrow]

Hes annoying to use

But he'll be meta so long as hes the only relevant rupture

[ebon hornet]

U just complained that every vanguard is monarch reliant

[copper cliff]

lancer is a simple unit wdym annoying

[cosmic dragon]

meta? only thing he is meta is being the best lancer unit

[icy flicker]

Yes cuz they are?

Never said I didn’t have them monarch?

[slim sparrow]

I dont like upgrading supports to level 7, maybe thats just a me thing.

[copper cliff]

a

[ebon hornet]

Why are you complaining then

[copper cliff]

i won't lie his first upgrades are ass

[north coral]

can we buff diego

[copper cliff]

but after them he is busted

[cosmic dragon]

[copper cliff]

yhwach is a lancer victim

[ivory verge]

we officially lost the plot of ts suggestion

[cosmic dragon]

holy cope

[north coral]

this isnt cope btw!

[icy flicker]

Because I want the game to succeed?

[north coral]

people go in suggestions just to talk no one actually reads it

[copper cliff]

then give the devs money

[ivory verge]

absolute cinema

[copper cliff]

they need it

✌️

[ivory verge]

lemme hold a band i gotchu

[copper cliff]

i bought all the bundles and didn't got a single unit

[cosmic dragon]

they do not need more money

they already richer than all of us together

[copper cliff]

they do bro

they are starving

[ebon hornet]

I need money lowkey

[cosmic dragon]

make me an av dev and give me all your money

[ebon hornet]

Let me in the dev team and i do nothing

[cosmic dragon]

ill fix the game in one day

[worldly hollow]

peak suggestion, theres so many units i wasted hundreds of rerolls on

[copper cliff]

i got 2 stupid deadeye before a solar or something else

rimuru luck isn't looking good

[ivory verge]

solar jumpscares been hitting me crazy

kaguya seeing pity

[worldly hollow]

200+ rrs on my gojo and salter just for deadeye and ethereal, i want them ALL to go to my escanor 🗣️

[ivory verge]

and not just ethereal pity

[copper cliff]

rimuru is ass but he seem fun to use

[ebon hornet]

Are we still rolling on rimuru in August ? 💔🥀

[ivory verge]

i havent evod any of mines tbh

[slim sparrow]

I wouldnt even rr once on rimuru why risk it

[copper cliff]

bro idc about it anymore
i had to hit pity for monarch solbadguy

[slim sparrow]

His only real use for me are traitless tourneys anyway

[ebon hornet]

What are youre goals man 🕊️

[copper cliff]

i don't have nothing else to roll

[ebon hornet]

Find peace

[ivory verge]

give me all ur rrs

[ebon hornet]

Dont do this to yourself

[ivory verge]

thoughts on the summer bundles being around near christmas

[copper cliff]

im waiting for then to fix valentine to get monarch on him

[worldly hollow]

did you already get monarch on escanor and jin mori? 🤨

[copper cliff]

jin mori is a nobody for me

no wukong skin

[cosmic dragon]

I'm 1000rr in on escanor

[worldly hollow]

rimuru is a nobody?

jin mori is infinitely better than rimuru 😔

[copper cliff]

hell no

[ebon hornet]

Lmao

[copper cliff]

jin mori is ass bro

[worldly hollow]

ragebait

[copper cliff]

make netflix adaption look good

[ebon hornet]

Its your fault not waiting for shiny event

[copper cliff]

i want the og wukong
not that ugly jin mori

[worldly hollow]

i just realized this

what are you DOING bro 💔

[copper cliff]

what

[ebon hornet]

Who is og wukong

[copper cliff]

do you guys don't roll on the characters you like

[worldly hollow]

gotta be the most worthless investment ive ever seen

[worldly hollow]

not if theyre ASS 😭

[ebon hornet]

I roll on joe hes my favorit jojo

[copper cliff]

bro idc
i have more fun with them than meta units like kaguya

[worldly hollow]

thats like if i tried going for monarch on my rengoku and hes 10 months old ✌️

[copper cliff]

i will get him monarch when trading is added

[worldly hollow]

how do you have more fun with a unit that cant beat any stage in the past 6 updates

[copper cliff]

they can bro

[ebon hornet]

Pls dont find anybody to trade you rengoku

[copper cliff]

i already have one guy

[ebon hornet]

Does he know

[copper cliff]

10k bundle for their unevo rengoku and unevo choy

[worldly hollow]

ill give you rengoku if you give all of your rerolls

W trade?

[copper cliff]

i only use vsjw as shield breaker

[ebon hornet]

20 unevo rengokus rotting in my inv since 10 months

[copper cliff]

my main dps is solbadguy

had to hit pity on him

solbadguy make vsjw look like c tier

[ebon hornet]

Good fire unit ig

[ivory verge]

scary

just reminded me of how I’m 838 deep on kag

2 weeks of farming stuff here I come🫩

[ebon hornet]

750 on yamamoto and i dont need him anymore 🤣

[north coral]

got yamamoto monarch in 30 rerolls 👅

[ebon hornet]

Kaguya in 5

How is that

[north coral]

all my 7 monarchs are under 400 👅

and monarch sjw in 23

[worldly hollow]

100 rrs on escanor rn 😔

[ebon hornet]

Dont get me started

[north coral]

hold on what the fluff

[worldly hollow]

LOL 😭

[north coral]

rigged

[worldly hollow]

bro who is kurumi

[north coral]

some girl that can time stop

[ebon hornet]

There you go

[ivory verge]

run the fade gang

[worldly hollow]

we gotta team up

we ALLL gotta team up

screw dio over heaven

AA glaze

[ebon hornet]

AA sucks

[north coral]

dio oh NEEDS to twin

win

[ebon hornet]

Dio oh just too goated

[worldly hollow]

that game had no hype btw

its just anime adventures and YBA 😔

[north coral]

yba fell off so bad

only fell off because best players got banned

[worldly hollow]

it fell off because the owner was lazy