LIMITED vanguards and just LIMITEDS in general.

[nova current]

because most of the meta supports are limited not DPS

[cursive hound]

also limited meta dps doesnt matter because the next update there will be a new damage average

[empty aspen]

yep and she has no better replacement for her than can be anywhere near as good as hersef?

[candid gulch]

so are we just going to ignore all the limiteds that arent emta?

[cursive hound]

gogeta was meta dps and limited now its average dps and limited

[candid gulch]

she does have replacements, and for the usage, it works just fine, it doesnt need to be better

[empty aspen]

are going to ignore the fact that 8 out of 13 units from the best tier on the TL are LIMITEDS?

[nova current]

her replacement sucks ngl

[opal vortex]

Kazzy, virgil, elphelt, alucard, goku, katakuri, esdeath, hie bla bla bla

[nova current]

in comparison at least

[candid gulch]

what? there are way more than 13 people on the meta tier

[empty aspen]

if a tourney requires luce and u bring medae or merlyn none will be ANYWHERE near as good a sher

[candid gulch]

ALUCARD? 💀 people use him?

[cursive hound]

yeah but thats tourneys

[opal vortex]

Why gear boy on meta tier he is so ass

[cursive hound]

appealing to such a niche

[nova current]

yeah?

[cursive hound]

yes why not

still best bleed

[opal vortex]

He is gatekeeping wl lb if you ask

[cursive hound]

and the only good wounded

[deep wasp]

insane ragebait

[opal vortex]

Look like someone is not doing any lb content

[cursive hound]

or just any regen content

or any content

why would you not bring him

[candid gulch]

i get my top 5 spot in tournaments and thats enough for me

[empty aspen]

14 out of 24 are limiteds, doesnt make it any better lad

[opal vortex]

Tried to use him in a fucking spark weather at last floor 116 fym

[cursive hound]

full aoe bleed and a 20% multiplicatve buff

[empty aspen]

are*

[candid gulch]

thats over half

barely*

over half

[cursive hound]

it doesnt matter because no matter what update you play the game at the limited units in that upd will be meta

you can always catch up easily

[candid gulch]

also i only counted 11

where did u get the other 3?

[cursive hound]

someone joins now he can get escanor and leo

someone joined last upd he can get the bp units

[opal vortex]

Anyways yhwach is also better than gear boy without weather buff

[cursive hound]

someone joined gg they can get someon

i forgot who was limited in upd 6

[empty aspen]

pretty sure i mentioned that in my suggestion and thats what i have a problem with.

[candid gulch]

11 out of the 24

[cursive hound]

only giselle is an irreplaceable support

[candid gulch]

where are the other majestic 3 limiteds?

[cursive hound]

every other limited support has alternatives

but someone will probably be added in place of giselle soon

[empty aspen]

u keep sending different ss each fucking time

how about you stick with 1?

[candid gulch]

one was overall one was optimal trait

pretty much the same list

[crisp heath]

aren’t you a specimen

[candid gulch]

and if we are going to overall in general, then include the broken tier

overall in general broken tier has ONLY permanent units

[empty aspen]

alright can you explain to me how i can use someone other than luce in tournament and get 1st?

[cursive hound]

you dont

[cursive hound]

thats the neat part

[cursive hound]

number one on leaderboard is the person whos most prepared

better luck next tourney

[opal vortex]

She is needed in current tournament

[candid gulch]

fr

[empty aspen]

60s cd after every nulify, whereas luce is a full aoe super cheap nulify 😭

[candid gulch]

"someone played longer than me why are they better"

suck it up

[empty aspen]

ur talking straight up bs now

[crisp heath]

I didn’t say Medea is the perfect replacement. But she works.

[cursive hound]

its so niche

[empty aspen]

tell me how i can catch up to them without that limited named luce

[cursive hound]

theres no point buffing only the competitive scene

[cursive hound]

you dont

[empty aspen]

becuase you, yourwelf said its possible

[cursive hound]

😔

[candid gulch]

the only thing she doesnt work in is competitive, but the devs literally dont care at all about that

[opal vortex]

My goat medea was kicked out of her place after the pvp change

[empty aspen]

so we talking from our ass now>

[cursive hound]

the normal side of the community has no issues with limiteds

[candid gulch]

which is the way it should be

[cursive hound]

only the very miniscule competitive players want luce just because they are newgens

[candid gulch]

the game's updates shouldnt be centered around competitive gamemodes

[deep wasp]

nerf luce if she is a issue 👍🏼

[opal vortex]

The game dies if newgen doesnt exist

[candid gulch]

if an update comes up that it'd make sense for a new nullify unit to be added, they'll be added

[candid gulch]

but the portion of newgens that "require" her is very small

[cursive hound]

never said we should kill newgens just saying the competitive scene favours old players

[candid gulch]

its like 1% of the newgens

[cursive hound]

and it doesnt lock you out anyways

you can still play tourneys

[empty aspen]

ill finish my dungeon run in 11mins gimme a sec

[cursive hound]

is this not normal

[candid gulch]

if anything the newest update favors newgens more than old players

escanor monarch gets top 10 in LB currently

[cursive hound]

i forgot how long vsjw dungeon takes

isnt it 15

[candid gulch]

by himself

[candid gulch]

ive had a few that were 12

[empty aspen]

20

[cursive hound]

what

[candid gulch]

yea no

[empty aspen]

its fucking impossible 💔

[cursive hound]

actually no i think its 20

[empty aspen]

@deep wasp are these guys serious

[cursive hound]

i can check smt

[empty aspen]

12mins for sjw dungeon

[opal vortex]

Why are we here anyways didnt they say they gonna add something similar to old units

[deep wasp]

yea

[candid gulch]

look at any other content, in terms of minutes : waves its 1 : 2

[opal vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276146129372844173/1296985919181815918/ezgif-7-5875e47d1e.gif

[cursive hound]

my automation process does it in 20 mins

[candid gulch]

so MAX should be 15 minutes

[candid gulch]

different from real ppl tho

obviously using automation its slower

[cursive hound]

idk

[empty aspen]

gosh these ppl are a lil too thick in the head

[deep wasp]

mythic sjw and igris clear it faster

[opal vortex]

Im glad i got beru quest skip bug

[cursive hound]

i did it twice anyways

[candid gulch]

ur the same dude who said we should turn challenges into boss bounties v2

[opal vortex]

50 beru x 20 mins

[candid gulch]

i dont wanna hear it from you

[empty aspen]

im js making a suggestion for them to stop making every meta unit limited ESPECIALLY support, ion really care about dps but support is what i care abt

[cursive hound]

just wait for trading

[candid gulch]

alucard, astolfo, kazzy over here crying

[empty aspen]

js wait for me to finish my dungeon run

[deep wasp]

only nulify and ts are gatekeep by limited units
other cc have permanent units

[cursive hound]

not flexing or anything

[opal vortex]

I got the bug twice

[cursive hound]

so lucky

[empty aspen]

thats whats important

[candid gulch]

besties

[cursive hound]

my deadeye one was the og and it was skipped

my monarch had to grind

[candid gulch]

i got 2 keys both skipped the king kills

😎

[cursive hound]

make rifts limited

make this guy happier

[deep wasp]

you only use nulify for yhwach boss and that mf is a lancer victim
ts is only if you use vergil

[empty aspen]

nope nulify is needed alot in lb runs for specific infs and then tourneys, luce has no replacement whatsoever in tourneys

[candid gulch]

the literal only thing you require nullify for (for ur avg player) is yhwach rift, and medea works perfectly fine there

they dont need to add a new nullify unit

[cursive hound]

again luce is the only unit named

basically this post is luce manifesting

and not actually about limiteds

[candid gulch]

yea he just wants luce v2

[cursive hound]

i dont mind luce v2 anyways

[candid gulch]

(which will prob be another limited tbh)

[cursive hound]

should rename suggestion to that

[candid gulch]

i hope its worse than v1 lmao

[deep wasp]

luce second evo

[cursive hound]

critical hits apply nullify

[empty aspen]

i told u gimme a sec to finish my dungeon run

[candid gulch]

so true bestie

[cursive hound]

negative crit chance

and deadeye doesnt work properly due to a "bug"

[candid gulch]

my luce could rlly use a 2nd evo...

[candid gulch]

only birb applies

[empty aspen]

3mins and im done w it

[candid gulch]

and its -29% crit chance innately

so u need a god birb

and even then only a 1% chance to nullify

10s spa single target single hit

[deep wasp]

they should add a character with dodge chance
only 2 have it

[candid gulch]

didnt they just add one?

[nova current]

my goat tengen

[candid gulch]

yea they legit just added one

3 units have it

[cursive hound]

dodge chance

chance

chance

chance

😡

[candid gulch]

💀

[deep wasp]

archer my goat 💔

[candid gulch]

my guy WANTS a gamble

[cursive hound]

its more hype

[candid gulch]

hold on archer also gets "dodge all attacks" eventually

[cursive hound]

when you see tengon dodge igris roar

🙏

[deep wasp]

no, he just increase it

[cursive hound]

boss rush prime

[deep wasp]

until he reach 100%

[nova current]

does she increase crit chance?

[candid gulch]

so thats still dodge all attacks

the only true "dodge chance" character is tengen

cuz he never gets dodge always

[candid gulch]

what does that have to do with anything?

tengen doesnt either?

[nova current]

3 monarch vanguards and complaining about luce

[candid gulch]

to be fair monarch vsjw is worse than deadeye now

[nova current]

nuh uh

[candid gulch]

ur in denial

[nova current]

lemme cope he’s my first monarch 😔

[candid gulch]

dvsjw is way more usable the mvsjw now that they added new vanguards

[empty aspen]

im not complaining? im js making a suggestion for the players who didnt player since release, i have all limiteds besides some tourney ones and giselle, other than that i have everything in the game that i need

plau*

[deep wasp]

you can feel his passion when he clicked luce

[empty aspen]

play*

[candid gulch]

its against their rules to send automodded messages as screenshots btw

[cursive hound]

forgive me

[deep wasp]

judar is so good people ignore him

[candid gulch]

i really liked how he clicked on all his exclusive units like it matters at all to the argument

[cursive hound]

dont know him

[deep wasp]

dark mage

he is both slow and bleed

[candid gulch]

dont forget disease

[empty aspen]

rong ss

💔

[candid gulch]

literally meta for escanor and fire teams

[cursive hound]

whos disease

L names

[candid gulch]

max out escanor team = escanor, hibana, rengoku, dark mage, 2 farms

[candid gulch]

its an effect

[empty aspen]

its js becuase all these gimps think i made this suggestion becuase ion have luce when i pretty much have everything that i need for anything in the game 💔

[candid gulch]

only dark mage has it

[deep wasp]

solbadguy negs everyone

[candid gulch]

omega rip

[empty aspen]

it does, you guys are only disagreeing with me becuase you have them and only want to gatekeep which is really fucking pathetic

[cursive hound]

because nobody cares apart from the 10 comp players

[deep wasp]

275k damage is good (without counting burn)

[cursive hound]

and you are a funny man

[candid gulch]

there is no gatekeeping, people who played longer are bound to be better, when the time comes they'll add a new nullify unit but rn is not that time

[candid gulch]

how often...

[empty aspen]

thats more than 10 tho?

[candid gulch]

the other 34 are just collectors who missed her

[empty aspen]

wdym its not the time? been months already

[deep wasp]

fuck you cheese

[empty aspen]

[candid gulch]

thats still pretty meh imma be so fr

like ichigo tier 💔

but no auto cleanse

[deep wasp]

cone aoe and he is cheap

i wish he could transform right on placement

[candid gulch]

ichigo if u stop at his 2nd to last is line aoe and is even cheaper

[deep wasp]

[candid gulch]

5 hit line aoe for 40k

not to mention his passives and active r way better

idk who the tier list guy is

but having ichigo in middle of submeta is crazy

[empty aspen]

chill w ichigo glaze

[candid gulch]

i dont even have him monarch

he just shouldnt be as low as he is tbh

you cant tell me gear boy and notgoodguy are better than him lol

[empty aspen]

"Hmmm I have that limited unit so I should hate on that person for suggesting to add good replacements and not make every limited meta"

Actually

It should be this pic

[candid gulch]

1: not every limited is meta

2: we arent hating on you, we are hating on the idea

the only reason people started hating on you is cuz u started insulting them

which is justified

[empty aspen]

more than half of the units in the monarch tier are limiteds ✌️

[candid gulch]

half

none

none

none

what are u even talking about

[empty aspen]

pvp

im dying 😭

[candid gulch]

you said in the monarch tier

but in literally none of the monarch tiers are over half of the units limited

so i made sure to show ALL the monarch tiers

[empty aspen]

u sent 3 different ss earliers

[candid gulch]

and even in both of the overall tier lists, its majority permanent units in the god stat tier

[empty aspen]

thats what i was talking about

maybe dont change ur ss each fucking time?

JUST A MAYBE?

[candid gulch]

well thats not monarch tier?

monarch tier is broken tier

so ur just lying flat out

[empty aspen]

8/13

yikes

[candid gulch]

💀

what list is that bro

that aint the wiki

[empty aspen]

overall

[candid gulch]

u dont have the meta tier box lmao

this is what it actually looks like

[candid gulch]

yea see the black line between the first 4 and the rest?

the stuff above the black line is the broken tier

the stuff below is meta

so no, the broken tier is 50/50 limited non limited

[brazen crescent]

Still having fun with my VSJW, better than summoning for vanguard units until pity 💔

[candid gulch]

and the meta tier is 11/24 limited/total

neither tier is majority limited

[empty aspen]

like thats any good 😭

and then the tier under it

more than half are limited

[candid gulch]

but it still goes to show ur argument is invalid

"why are ALL the meta units limited" just isnt true

even if we say majority

[brazen crescent]

Yhwach meta? should I get him? can you explain what makes him so broken?

[candid gulch]

also isnt true

[candid gulch]

imma be honest, im a yhwach hater, zak is just objectively better imo

im not the best person to ask

the only bad part about zak is the no-anti debuff or anti-stun

he has better dps and abilities than yhwach overall

[empty aspen]

yeah bro my argument is truly unvalid when u js showed me that every new limited they added is in the meta tier 💔

like are we fucking serious

[candid gulch]

obviously? thats how power creep works

all but 1 of the AOT units are meta tier too

[empty aspen]

idm making some limited vanguards meta but why tf is exclusives better than secrets and even vanguards

[candid gulch]

hell, all but 1 of the GG units are meta tier

[candid gulch]

why wouldnt 8 month old vanguards be worse than new units 💀

[empty aspen]

what about recent secrets?

[candid gulch]

the only reason he was so high was cuz his dmg was insane for the time and his ability was unique

now a bunch of things can move around, making his ability less unique

and other units have more dmg

[candid gulch]

eren? cid? byeken? all permanent and top tier

[empty aspen]

why is a mythic that takes less than an hour to get better than ymir and eren on the tier list? and is way easier to use than eren, ymir, zeke?

[candid gulch]

cuz AOT update was a flop

and just cuz a unit is harder to get doesnt mean its better in every scenario

zak u have to build an entire team around

while eren has the best nuke in the game by a long shot

[empty aspen]

does that mean next upd they gotta make mythics better than the hardest units to obtain from the previous upd?

[candid gulch]

seeing as how byeken and cid are still top tier, not necessarily

[empty aspen]

vanguards SHOULD be op but a fucking mythic thats limited defo shouldnt be that high up in the tl

[candid gulch]

byeken is the #6 unit, and she was added in the GG update

[candid gulch]

they already are

rogita was top of meta for 6 months

thats plenty

[empty aspen]

gogeta is so fucking ass

nothing unique

[candid gulch]

he WAS unique

when he was added and for 6 months after, nothing was nearly as good as him

the only thing that could compare was uber-buffed ragna

[empty aspen]

even a 5yo could design a unit better than wtvr the devs decided to make gogeta

[candid gulch]

he was the best unit of his time

[empty aspen]

lit the next upd, which was bleach

aizen, yhwach were better

and arguably yama aswell

[candid gulch]

ehhh aizen not rlly

yama def not

yhwach is the only arguable case

[empty aspen]

yama is op asf

[candid gulch]

yeah but not nearly as good as rogita

[empty aspen]

each enemy he kills he spawns him w his dmg which is 150k+

[candid gulch]

the only reason hes higher on the tier list is cuz of rogita's price

[candid gulch]

key word being: that HE kills

assists dont count

[empty aspen]

scalling in this game is becoming as bad as als ngl

[candid gulch]

not even remotely close

yhwach being the #1 unit still proves that by itself

[empty aspen]

a 1/20k was worse than 2 secrets that take like a day or so to get

💔

in 1 upd

[candid gulch]

a 1/20k that u could get 4 of by just sitting in the afk chamber*

[empty aspen]

how come?

[candid gulch]

rogita was on banner for 6 months

[empty aspen]

no pity

[candid gulch]

the average rate is 1.5 months of afk chamber per rogita

[empty aspen]

yk what someone here in this exact suggestion told me?

he said he spent 15m winter shit

and no gogeta

[candid gulch]

i spent 12m and didnt get him

i understand

but for most ppl they have several

[empty aspen]

takes about 28full days of grinding portals to get 15m

[candid gulch]

he was here for twice as long as kaguya will be

and mostlikely twice as long as escanor too

[empty aspen]

sorry to break it to you but ion believe this bs 🤷‍♂️

[candid gulch]

it makes sense he got outscaled

[candid gulch]

well he was here for 6 months

kaguya has been here for like 1.5 so far

and they'll probably remove her on the next 0.5 update

so in about 1.5 more months based on their current schedule

[empty aspen]

this heat is killing me

[nova current]

whats 18 celcius 🦅

[empty aspen]

i hate arguing with greedy fucks

[empty aspen]

b

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[halcyon haven]

exactly

[empty aspen]

ur smarter than all of em d

w

[halcyon haven]

you really think so

[empty aspen]

Yes cut ie

[empty aspen]

B

B

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

[ornate vector]

finally someone else is questioning why kaguya is a vanguard

[empty aspen]

b

b

[halcyon haven]

🖕

Sorry just a habit

[empty aspen]

Um it's okay ig?

[halcyon haven]

🖕

[empty aspen]

Princess that's a bad habit you got

[halcyon haven]

bro i said we have to keep this a secret

🖕

[empty aspen]

Sorry 🥹

[halcyon haven]

its okeh
ur just a babeh

[empty aspen]

I really am js a babeh

[halcyon haven]

Wait bruh i dont like you

🖕

[halcyon haven]

im sorry baby

🥺

[empty aspen]

It's okay

Mama made some watermrlin so it's time to go eat and leave nothing for any1!

[empty aspen]

b

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[empty aspen]

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[empty aspen]

b

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[empty aspen]

b

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[empty aspen]

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[empty aspen]

B

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[empty aspen]

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[empty aspen]

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[empty aspen]

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[empty aspen]

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please stars

im not a greedy fuck wants to gatekeep every limited 💔

[deep wasp]

now you lose 1 star

[empty aspen]

odyssey is so ass bro

[halcyon haven]

add1 middle finger

😄

[empty aspen]

SAY NO TO FNGERING ME

[halcyon haven]

BRUH 😭

[deep wasp]

you known who else is more ass

[empty aspen]

yeah

alucard better

b

b

[deep wasp]

most stupid thing you ever said
lancer walked so alucard could run

[empty aspen]

oh snap bro

i rather not spend all my money upgrading a unit to deal w regen

[deep wasp]

all your money is crazy

lancer gets rupture really fast

[empty aspen]

upg 7 is not fast bro 😭

[deep wasp]

it is bro

[empty aspen]

alright

[deep wasp]

it only cost 28k to reach

💀

[empty aspen]

only

😭

[deep wasp]

yea

only

what is the issue

[empty aspen]

thats cheap, but ill stuck w my full aoe bleed

[deep wasp]

mf playing without farms or some shit

[empty aspen]

uh 2 farms, kaguya, escanor, vsjw and alucard

[deep wasp]

mf using 2 farms and say lancer is not worth it

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

ima lowkey beat the shit out of any1 i see

how do i corrupt 40+ different cats

and all are fucking ass

the 3 best ones got uncorruptable on em first roll

3x uncorruptable in a row

[empty aspen]

b

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[rare rock]

well i think every now and then they could make like a "vanguards return" for some of them like kaguya and escanor because they are op asf

[empty aspen]

stop making every vanguard limited 😭

4:1 ratio is crazy

[rare rock]

yeah but like they wont do it so theres that

limited units dont mix with tournament

[acoustic briar]

i hope they only allow 1 vanguard per loadout

😁

[rare rock]

maybe 2

[acoustic briar]

naaa only 1

considering they're "forever meta"

[rare rock]

yeah that would add stratagy to the game instead of kaguya vjsw escanor all on the same team

[acoustic briar]

mhm

but then again there are demons that arent vanguards like cid and yhwach

so idk

[rare rock]

but then again yhwach requires use of his passives and cid too so not that bad

[acoustic briar]

tru

man i just hate how powercreep is inevitable

[lethal cipher]

people run all 3?

on the same team

[halcyon haven]

no point in getting any vanguard except for sjw then lol

[rare rock]

atleast sjw and kaguya yeah

[nova current]

its not possible to run all of them on the same team 💔

[empty aspen]

Don't leak my strategic team yo

[nova current]

no.

[lethal cipher]

MAXING ALL VANGUARDS IN 15 WAVE

[empty aspen]

How come

[lethal cipher]

WHO WANTS THE META

[rare rock]

it is mf

[halcyon haven]

2 escanors bruh 😭

[nova current]

theyre all too expensive to use to their full potential

not that theyre a bad pair

[rare rock]

they arent place down escanor or kaguya and your good to go

[empty aspen]

js upg kaguya, 250k+ dmg on escanor for only 7.5k is good

and sjw is for element and emotional support

to remind myself how much of a loser i am spending 2.1k rrs on him

[halcyon haven]

only 2.1k noob

i spent 2.2k

[rare rock]

i spent 1.1k getting him soon i guess

[empty aspen]

i still need to evo the deadeye one

and get igris

i love av!

[halcyon haven]

do u think i can get escanor by sunday

i get like 400k everynight

[empty aspen]

defo?

[rare rock]

how do you do that portals?

[halcyon haven]

u do inf

[rare rock]

yes

[empty aspen]

wave 10 and restart

i afk it overnight on my phone

got like 1.1m

saving up for uh

shiny hunt thingy

[rare rock]

how you afk it

ah ok restart match lol

[empty aspen]

search up on youtube cuz its defo blocked here

[halcyon haven]

thats actually real?

[empty aspen]

yeah

[empty aspen]

yeah its an event?

js like the odyssey shit

[rare rock]

if its restart its very ez to set up

[empty aspen]

did it for 6hrs and got dog shit

[empty aspen]

yeah

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[weak yacht]

Speedwagon, Takaroda, and Frieren ☝️🤓

[lethal cipher]

we ALL using frieren farm

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[hallow iron]

dawg istg they gotta pick between rare and limited 😭

limited is pretty pointless cuz botting

plus they still havent added a pity for alucard

[midnight laurel]

the ego that devs have in this game is crazy, always declining good suggestions and thats what always kill the game

I dont think they're going to add more vanguard quest non limited just because of that

[hallow iron]

no theres too many words in the suggestion and reading is hard

[hallow iron]

they should double evo units and create a banner where u can get it directly vanguard

[midnight laurel]

yeah I agree

[hallow iron]

like if they decide to double evo gilgames they should do so and create a banner

with him already vanguard

so older players get rewarded aswell

[midnight laurel]

also

they already said that they will add more units with same mechanics as bp units

[hallow iron]

duh ppl complained they gakeeping mechanics 😭

[midnight laurel]

but idk about more vanguard quest units

I hope they do

[hallow iron]

they r pretty pointless imo

[midnight laurel]

theres so much they can do

[obsidian moth]

i mean if the game is succedding they have no reason to listen its only when its at a sorry state is when they listen

[midnight laurel]

fr

[hallow iron]

yh thats why they lowered the monarch pity

added vanguard pity

[midnight laurel]

when they see the game is dying they start doing stuff

[hallow iron]

😭

[midnight laurel]

but when not

they have a big ego

and decline any good suggestion

[obsidian moth]

yup if business was booming we wouldnt have seen this features

[hallow iron]

in that case

the game would've had even more players

cuz more botting

devs always be complaining about afk and botting

when they do literally none to prevent it

fuck even promote afking

pity still hasnt been changed for older units

200 pity for yammamoto 😭

[obsidian moth]

yeah thats what confuse me this av devs design the game to be afk'd and they are js trying to make it harder to afk rather then then take the design in another direction

[hallow iron]

that philosophy is flawed

av is literally made to be afk'ed

[midnight laurel]

any td...

[hallow iron]

u cant say that to als

i used to play als

content is so fast it takes like 1 day to evo a godly

in this game the easiest vanguard takes like 3 days

[hallow iron]

plus i've seen more tds that respects ur time

[midnight laurel]

well, theres only 1 vanguard that you can get

other than that, is just lucky bassed

[hallow iron]

3 currently

if u were to grind all

1 month

😭

[midnight laurel]

lucky bassed

[hallow iron]

mhm

fuck luck

[midnight laurel]

I got escanor and kaguya in 2 days

[obsidian moth]

well others its an option here its a requirement

[midnight laurel]

true

[hallow iron]

then u rlly lucky

[empty aspen]

i wrote a tldr tho 😭

[empty aspen]

took me like 4-5m and im mobile

was painful

[hallow iron]

yh ppl aint gon pay attention to it

[obsidian moth]

and ill gurantee u the devs are not reading this

[midnight laurel]

I just hope devs change the direction of the game

[hallow iron]

they wont cuz banners r a success

aint it obvious

before banners they barely had 20k players

[midnight laurel]

I dont really care about it, I like to farm a lot to get a limited unit

[hallow iron]

u like to work a 9-5 to get a single unit ?

[midnight laurel]

yeah

[hallow iron]

ur weird then

u shouldnt promote slaving for a unit

😭

[midnight laurel]

but they should add another rarity

[empty aspen]

deadass, always be talking about "we read all suggestions" and they js never fucking do it bro

[hallow iron]

yh the rarity "anime"

😭

[empty aspen]

im yet to see them implement 1 single suggestion

[hallow iron]

im convinced they cant read

or if they can they dont understand what they reading

[empty aspen]

i mean i have every limited unit beside like 3 and uh tourney and lb units

and i can gurantee that none

were fun to grind for

[obsidian moth]

yeah that shit is cap they only read suggestions when the game is failing dawg

[obsidian moth]

nobody manually grinds this game lets be honest

[empty aspen]

can they show us that they are actually reading shit

[hallow iron]

and the fact that on feedback stages they put fucking nag on the stage to talk on our behalf

is so fucking dumb

nag is a dumbass

[empty aspen]

nah nag was saying everything i care about tbh

[hallow iron]

for me he didnt

[empty aspen]

i hate the stupid regen, the shitty mechanics

[nova current]

i love doing 1000 portals for kaguya while also on a timer

[obsidian moth]

well last guy who tried that js quit and left the server

[empty aspen]

but idk why they didnt bring other ppl to ask question

[empty aspen]

wdym?

[hallow iron]

cuz they're thinking "oh nag is gonna talk we dont need nobody else"

if they were to care ab suggestions they would've brought random players on the stage

[nova current]

we got a vanguard pity ui
we're gonna get EZAs/zenkais/wtv

[hallow iron]

not fucking nag that afks everything

😭

[nova current]

he kinda has no choice

[obsidian moth]

we had some dude called aoki who used to be here or lunge
u know the way we got tags for qol/mechanics?
one of the things he wanted to do is add a tag called read but devs cba and he alr left the server

[nova current]

the game forces you to afk

unless you LOVE doing a stage 1000 times

grinding for 70+ hours for the new vanguards

no one loves that shit except weirdos

[hallow iron]

im telling u nobody loves to even afk

its a must

[nova current]

agreed

i like having a game with my game

[hallow iron]

i like to actually play a game

[obsidian moth]

well thats what u get when the devs want u repeat the same stage 1000 times

[hallow iron]

not go "oh im gon have so much fun leaving my pc on and doing other things"

[obsidian moth]

ppl js get a program to do all the work

[empty aspen]

playing atd atp is js miserable tbh

[empty aspen]

i want to afk cid raid but cant cuz im mobile and the shitty towers mechanic is so annoying 🤦‍♂️

[hallow iron]

on other points

[empty aspen]

i have done the raid over a hundred times

act2

and still not enough familiars

[nova current]

what? no.. 🤥

this is the only way to make portals bearable ^

[hallow iron]

or js leech

[hallow iron]

image based afk

[empty aspen]

ik but u need shit like salmons and info for i

t

[hallow iron]

yh

aint risking my pc for it

fuck av im not that deep down

[empty aspen]

i used to get ppl to host and i carry em for spring portals until i got kaguya

[empty aspen]

its fine dw

[hallow iron]

its not fine

nobody should risk going on trust to be able to keep up with the content

[empty aspen]

it js makes ur life easier, devs keep adding shit that makes grinding the game js miserable and unbearable to the point where you dont even want to bother

[obsidian moth]

yup i wont be suprised if the devs do this on their game

[hallow iron]

yh devs said they were not fucking with portals anymore

so thats good

[nova current]

i still need kaguya and i have a month and a half left

[empty aspen]

nah yk what they said on stage when someone asked about removing the shitty 30m timer for challenges?

[hallow iron]

i calculated and if u get 100k per day or 1k summons in 20 days u would guarantee ur pity

[hallow iron]

no

[empty aspen]

"its made to take up people's time"

js say we want them to afk for as long as possible

[hallow iron]

like inf cant do it anyways 😭

[empty aspen]

wdym

[obsidian moth]

wait when did they say this?

[hallow iron]

auto challenges

[hallow iron]

yh

they discovered the secret formula

new ltms like the escanor one

gets players hooked faster than portals

who would've thought that if u create a new ltm where u can only use the new units would be a success ?

[empty aspen]

nah js make the 20 challenges doable in 1 ago which will take 3hrs max instead of the fucking 12hrs wait

[nova current]

because i can get 250k a night just with tinytask vs 100k a night with a whole 🥭

[hallow iron]

its not js about that

[nova current]

they made it insanely more easy but grinding 70 hours for one unit is ass

[empty aspen]

just 1 more fucking dungeon and i can go workout and be free from this shit for 2 hours

[hallow iron]

its cuz its accessible for newer players

u dont need lvl 100 with 3 monarchs to solo a portal

😭

[empty aspen]

39/50

[hallow iron]

i left my pc afk while i went to chop down some wood for my parents 😭

[empty aspen]

i like the event but it allowed ALOT of bot farm ngl

[obsidian moth]

this game is prac only designed for pc players

[hallow iron]

woah genius like that isnt a problem with portals aswell 🤯

[empty aspen]

ill prolly go and afk escanor event while working out, got 2 phones so i use 1 for macs 😭

[hallow iron]

no level requirement for portals

[empty aspen]

portals are alot harder tho

[hallow iron]

not anymore

planet namek is the only portal u can get

and its stupidly easy anyways

[empty aspen]

hm might get another kaguya lol

now i can js afk host portals myself on my phone then

have 1.5m iced teas atm saved up for shiny hunt

[hallow iron]

js donate to me atp

😭

[empty aspen]

bro i want them to drop trading so i can trade for shiny hunter

only reason im grinding for extra vanguards

im yet to get a fucking shit beside a mythic

[hallow iron]

im finna give u a shiny hunter and a good familiar for kaguya

[empty aspen]

shit bet

ima grind for 1 then soon

[hallow iron]

i got a good spirit on the bar meter one

84%

[empty aspen]

got 2 escanors atm

[hallow iron]

shit slaps

[empty aspen]

i got 91% or sum 🤑

but ion really use my goku or any meter shit

[hallow iron]

u need another one trust

i got lfelt monarch and it outdps vsjw and gogeta

😭

[empty aspen]

💔

i want cid monarch ngl

ima start saving up

[hallow iron]

i want cid aswell

that nuke be broke n

[midnight laurel]

[empty aspen]

b

b

[halcyon haven]

no more b

[empty aspen]

i need to bump dude

[halcyon haven]

v

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[empty aspen]

b

b

[quartz elm]

We're forgetting about the dandadan incident 💔 💔

My goat okarun didn't deserve this

[noble root]

Bump DO NOT BRING THEM BACK but make replacements for ppl like luce

[empty aspen]

wdym?

[empty aspen]

got top 5 in both tronies yesterday becuase of luce 🤑

got eth cid w those rrs

[quartz elm]

saying all limiteds are op on release, dandadan units werent even meta for their own stage where they had a incredible buff

[empty aspen]

lowk pissed but at the same time not really cuz eth cid is good for lb run if i ever do one

[empty aspen]

most of them are so whats your point?

thats the old dev team who didnt make limiteds meta which was 100% better than what the current devs are doing

[quartz elm]

Just play events

[empty aspen]

yeah man these people lack brain cells

couldnt say shit so he js said "play the events"

[quartz elm]

I just said that we don't talk about the dandadan event

Its not like I'm against you

[rare rock]

tell that to someone who doesnt have infinite time or simply has a job to play a shitass limited event to get the most op unit of them all

[empty aspen]

im not arguing w some gag kid

[quartz elm]

I have a job, I work 12 hour days most of the week

I can still get units cause the games easy

[rare rock]

so i assume you got escanor without afking?

[quartz elm]

Nope I afkd

[rare rock]

sybau

[quartz elm]

I hit pity on him

[empty aspen]

i wonder why most players would disagree with you

[quartz elm]

It's a 5 minute run that gives you 20 summons. If you can't do it, it gives you units aswell btw, then maybe it isn't a game problem

If you have time to write a suggestion and complain about events, then you have time to play them

[rare rock]

its fucking 3million

[quartz elm]

It isn't hard to get, it's 5 nights max

[empty aspen]

it cant be that difficult to know that everyone starts playing the game from release?

not^

[rare rock]

vsjw is a grind you can do when you want when you can and its not that hard so theres that

[quartz elm]

The event is playable as a level 1, it gives you units for free and you can afk it

[empty aspen]

again, not everyone is gonna play av at that time

[quartz elm]

You don't need vsjw, it gives you the unit

[empty aspen]

some may start playing in upd 10

you dont know

[quartz elm]

It's afk, you don't have to play

[rare rock]

mf so whats the point of the fucking game

[empty aspen]

are you fucking stupid?

[rare rock]

this guy is a dumbass

[quartz elm]

Find out and lmk, I enjoy the game even whilst afking

[empty aspen]

i can tell

[quartz elm]

You just said that they won't play AV at night time, that's why there's a thing called afking

[rare rock]

well i enjoy playing actual games if i want to afk i hope on gag or some shit

[quartz elm]

I don't get what's hard to comprehend

[empty aspen]

soooo how are they going to afk the game when they havent even started playing it yet?

can you explain that to us?

[quartz elm]

The event literally gives you units

I've said it 20 times now

[empty aspen]

is this guy fr?

[quartz elm]

You join the escanor event and it gives you a team

It doesn't use your units

I don't see what's hard to comprehend

[empty aspen]

how are they going to AFK the event WHEN they havent even STARTED playing AV?

it cant be that hard to understand this

[quartz elm]

If they haven't started AV, then why are we having this discussion? You'd have to join the game to play it. Your argument makes no sense

[empty aspen]

do you think everyone started playing when luce bp was out?

[quartz elm]

You're saying people who haven't even chose a starting unit aren't gonna be able to get a unit

[empty aspen]

or virgil bp?

[rare rock]

BRO there is no fucking way

[quartz elm]

You don't need them they're trash anyways

[rare rock]

i dont have luce but still im level 92

[empty aspen]

lmao

[rare rock]

you dont need luce?

you dont play the game

[quartz elm]

No, yhwach the only exception and even then you can kill him without her

[rare rock]

ypu just afk the entire shit like anime fighters

[rare rock]

you do know tournaments is a thing pvp too

[quartz elm]

Explain where you'd need Luce, please

[rare rock]

i already did

[empty aspen]

the point i've been trying to get across to you is that NOT everyone is gonna start playing av whenever those units are out so they'll obvs miss them but for some fucking reason you cant comprehend something so simple

[quartz elm]

Nobody I know plays PvP legitimately

[rare rock]

i play so whats your point

[empty aspen]

making me question the fact that you apparently work 12hrs a day like you said so

[quartz elm]

And tournaments are NOT requiring luce cause half the units are immune to it

[empty aspen]

tourneys, 50rrs from traitless and 50 from traits

[rare rock]

it fucking does require shut up

[quartz elm]

Then they can get the banner units and play the game from there, like everyone on release has

[quartz elm]

You don't need Luce, half the units are immune to the debuffs

[rare rock]

BUT ESCANOR IS BROKEN TIER MF

[empty aspen]

yeah your too fucking stupid

[quartz elm]

And orehime is free

[empty aspen]

tell me what unit can replace luce

[quartz elm]

Orehime

Cleanses debuffs

[rare rock]

orihime to luce you do realise they do entire different shit

[quartz elm]

Just cause it's broken tier doesn't mean you need it

[empty aspen]

this guy is fucking stupid

lmao

🤣

[rare rock]

luce does not do that

[quartz elm]

Yes, Luce is meant to counter their debuff on hit effects, orehime cleanses debuffs

[rare rock]

this is ragebait

[empty aspen]

he dont even know what he's talking about

[quartz elm]

They do different things, but they are literal substitutes to each other

[rare rock]

so you know then tell me where are they similar

[empty aspen]

fuck man never knew oriheme was a super cheap unit thats full aoe and can nulify

[quartz elm]

I'd didn't say they are similar, I just said why orehime is a viable solution if you don't have Luce

[rare rock]

luce is a free anti modi on tourn

[rare rock]

its not 30 sec cooldown

[empty aspen]

last tourney was impossible to get top 20 without having luce and al

[quartz elm]

So would you rather use her or nothing as a new player?

[quartz elm]

Got number 1 without either, maybe you're on trait less

[rare rock]

i rather not even try because thats a fucking issue that loses players

[quartz elm]

Why are you so upset? It puzzles me

[rare rock]

Traitless is the only way you can do tournaments f2p

[empty aspen]

show us

yesterdays tourney

go on and show

[quartz elm]

I'm not going around throwing swears and calling people idiots and stupid, you guys are fighting the wrong people

[quartz elm]

I know f2ps who top 11 trait tournaments all the time

[empty aspen]

@rare rock sent a shiver down my spine ✌️

[rare rock]

well other people can see this shit to yk

[quartz elm]

Monarch is very obtainable free to play

[quartz elm]

Why would I care?

[empty aspen]

no shit sherlock

[rare rock]

rn yes i would agree but not in like a week

[quartz elm]

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, I'm simply trying to help you see

[empty aspen]

i was top 2 in traits and im f2p

[quartz elm]

Then why are you upset?

[empty aspen]

how am i upset

[quartz elm]

It's puzzling, you're upset about tournaments cause you need certain units and then you talk another how you were top 2

[quartz elm]

You seem mad, unless you just weren't raised properly and have to swear every 3 words

[rare rock]

sybau bro are you british or something

[quartz elm]

I'm American, I don't have terrible grammar cause I wasn't raised like a prisoner

You don't have to swear to get a point across

[empty aspen]

becuase i used those certain units lmao

[empty aspen]

makes sense why ur that much of an idiot

[quartz elm]

I said it's a suitable option, if you have Luce use Luce, if you don't use orehime

[rare rock]

i love this guy

[quartz elm]

Orehime cleanses all units in range every 30 seconds

[empty aspen]

sure mam, i was not raised properly unfortunatley like you

[quartz elm]

There's no way you're typing in 2 servers at the same time about something that isn't that deep

[rare rock]

which is shit

[quartz elm]

It's better than nothing no?

[empty aspen]

you clearly dont know what she's used for do you know?

[rare rock]

are you on drugs

[quartz elm]

Enjoy using nothing then?

[empty aspen]

luce applies nulify, you dont need a cleanser

[quartz elm]

Luce is used to counter the modifiers

[empty aspen]

speaking of cleansers

lets talk about al

[quartz elm]

You'd rather a cleanser than nothing no?

[quartz elm]

Fodder unit, don't even think I have him anymore

[empty aspen]

massive range and can buff rng and dmg aswell as cleanse ALL your units unlike oriheme which only cleanses one at a time every certain amount of time pretty sure

dont go around saying shit you dont even know

[quartz elm]

I was under the assumption it's all units in range, but maybe I'm wrong

[empty aspen]

no?

[empty aspen]

she has no range

[quartz elm]

So you'd rather all your units do 0 damage at all times?

[empty aspen]

he does dmg, cleanses all your units extremely quickly, buff rng and dmg

[quartz elm]

Get marksman and godly range stat

It's not difficult

[rare rock]

i rather have luce ty

[empty aspen]

and guess what he's a limited and irreplacible for tourneys

[quartz elm]

I never once mentioned Al

[quartz elm]

You'd rather Luce, but if you don't have her what else are you using

[quartz elm]

They'll get replaced some day

[rare rock]

but he is better than orihime so whats your point

[empty aspen]

oh? but you mentioned cleansers ALOT when we are talking about luce who has NOTHING related to cleansing

[rare rock]

who said that

[empty aspen]

been months already so when is that day?

[quartz elm]

The point is, they're limited and have functions that are unique to them as of now, so if you don't have him as a player in update 10 like you said then I'd rather use a replacement

[empty aspen]

i already have all limiteds except like a max of 5 but all the meta ones i alr got except giselle

[rare rock]

they are going to replace fucking escanor and kaguya?

[quartz elm]

It's bound to happen

[quartz elm]

Eventually they'll get damage gapped

It happens in all tower defenses

[rare rock]

update 20?

[quartz elm]

That's in the future like I said no?

[rare rock]

so fuck the present game and hope for the future i guess

[quartz elm]

If you dwell on the present you can't focus towards a better future

Like i said, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'd just like you to broaden your horizons

[rare rock]

someone print this shit it cant be real

[quartz elm]

Luce doesn't cleanse, I've already said that's true. What she does is stop the debuff from applying to your units by debuffing enemies. Orehime is an alternative cause she cleanses that debuff from your units. Like I said I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just pointing out there is other options

[empty aspen]

back to gag please

giving me orihieme as a replacement for luce

[quartz elm]

If society focused on the present for 1000 years, compared to a society that focused on a better future for 1000 years, who would be more advanced in 1000 years

[quartz elm]

You have to be rage baiting

I've said earlier that orehime isn't a replacement, but an alternative if you don't have Luce

[empty aspen]

@mighty drum bro this guy cant be fr

[quartz elm]

You seem to be reading what you want to read

[mighty drum]

What

💀

[rare rock]

av not that serious bruh

[quartz elm]

You're the one who is getting upset about it

[mighty drum]

Youre just

Saying shit

[rare rock]

its ragebait

[mighty drum]

Speaking for the sole purpose of speaking

I hope so

[quartz elm]

Please let us hear your piece enderian

[empty aspen]

@wide pelican here u go

[wide pelican]

dawg

[mighty drum]

Youre equating a cleanser/buffer to nullify

[wide pelican]

spookish

[quartz elm]

Getting the whole second discord in here

[wide pelican]

are u fucking stupid bro

[mighty drum]

What do you want me to say

[wide pelican]

nullify is NOT a cleanse 😭

nullify negates things like resilient, damage reduction, etc.

[quartz elm]

I've said that multiple times

[rare rock]

i cant be the wrong in here everyone is against you buddy

[wide pelican]

it doesnt stop debuffs from applying

[quartz elm]

Do you hear what you want to hear

[quartz elm]

Im well aware, it simply takes those debuffs off.

[empty aspen]

you're too funny man

[mighty drum]

She doesnt stop any debuff from occuring, by the way.

[wide pelican]

no it doesnt bro 😭

[quartz elm]

im not wrong

[mighty drum]

💀

[noble root]

LUCE REMOVES RESILIENT THATS UT

[quartz elm]

i never once said it

[empty aspen]

i need to take a shit lemme hop on the toilet and continue reading this

[noble root]

It's not hard to understand

[mighty drum]

"What she does is stop the debuff"

Yeah okay

[quartz elm]

yes, thats when i was talking about luce

[rare rock]

orihime aint gonna clean revitalize from the enemies

[quartz elm]

not orehime

[wide pelican]

where are u possibly sourcing this information

[mighty drum]

And lucy does not stop any debuff

[wide pelican]

nullify does nto stop drain

[quartz elm]

if you struggle with revit you arent good in any way

[wide pelican]

a nullified unit that has energy drain