My PvP Rework Suggestion

[latent escarp]

at least they gave me a chance to rework odyssey from limitless' dumpster

[outer inlet]

odyssey 💔

[latent escarp]

🥀

[junior pendant]

add a new type of enemy that counter the attack if the same unit hit him twice

[outer inlet]

nether

[latent escarp]

and it's still not something I'm happy with

[outer inlet]

im going to be so so real

the new odyssey

is still buns

[junior pendant]

so we kill yhwach and vergil

[outer inlet]

🥀

[latent escarp]

oh ik

[gentle gulch]

Sucks

[latent escarp]

It's missing a lot that I wanted

[outer inlet]

yeah so like

why arent they changing it i dont understand lmao

i get the focus is on new updates

but its still content

[steep sand]

add a new enemy modifier: If a unit hits it, their aoe type changes to single target

[outer inlet]

that people would grind and do if it was actually fun and rewarding

[latent escarp]

But there's only so much I could do without a green light to just say "okay, remake the whole mode, fuck the ror2 approach"

[outer inlet]

dont give valk ideas bro

[latent escarp]

give him ideas

[outer inlet]

nether

[latent escarp]

bro you think it's not already on his notepad

[junior pendant]

buff merlin

[outer inlet]

whats the eta on chainsaw man update

wrap it up

[junior pendant]

[outer inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246915645719969844/1398815737539465377/a1eoio.gif

[latent escarp]

the heat death of the universe

[junior pendant]

and nerf lucy to the ground

like actually

nerf lucy

[latent escarp]

nah

[outer inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-1038771198631298897

[latent escarp]

we just release a new lucy

[junior pendant]

no bro

[steep sand]

no thanks

i like my bp unit being meta

[latent escarp]

nopers

[steep sand]

can we release al tho

[junior pendant]

kill lucy

[steep sand]

im missing him

[junior pendant]

[latent escarp]

ur exclusive units are stinky

smelly

[steep sand]

stop

[latent escarp]

trade value

[steep sand]

wait

WAIT

[junior pendant]

i offered someone a 10k bundle for nom shiny julius

[latent escarp]

i love how suggestions is fr just general 3

[junior pendant]

[latent escarp]

its my favorite place to hang out

[steep sand]

a new enemy type:
if ur unit hits it, ur trade value lowers

[junior pendant]

gogeta

[steep sand]

so if a shiny gogeta hits it

[junior pendant]

[steep sand]

well

expect a rare sasuke

@latent escarp

i need confirmation

pyseph said escanor is summer banner vanguard

is it same % as kaguya

@outer inlet i need confirmatkion

lhpe

[latent escarp]

YOOOOO FIRE

We're adding wear to units

and if they hit that enemy

[outer inlet]

yes

[steep sand]

its the same %?

[outer inlet]

ys

es

[steep sand]

so update 8 SUCKS!!

[latent escarp]

immediately battle scarred gogeta

[outer inlet]

7.5 but we already knew that

[latent escarp]

went from half eaten rock to 2 grains of sand

[outer inlet]

idk if they realize an rng unit that means your practically done with an update isnt really that great to sustain a ccu count for a long time

[latent escarp]

yes but also pity will exist

[outer inlet]

a lot of people get them really fast

[latent escarp]

and events

[outer inlet]

💔

[steep sand]

but

I DONT AUTOMATE

[latent escarp]

okay and

neither do i

[junior pendant]

escanor will break the curse of bad shiny vanguards right

[steep sand]

ok but

I HAVE A JOB

[latent escarp]

it'll be light work

[steep sand]

AND IM LAZY

[latent escarp]

his shiny is actually fully night escanor 🔥

[junior pendant]

better than the shit kaguya have

[gentle gulch]

Idk about the x2 shiny event ngl

[latent escarp]

tf you mean

[junior pendant]

right
buff it

[latent escarp]

Kaguya shiny looks fire

[junior pendant]

4x shiny luck

[gentle gulch]

6% shiny chance seems insane

[junior pendant]

si

so

[latent escarp]

Yes

That's the point

that's why its limited

[junior pendant]

let me convert my 170 kazzy for a shiny one

[steep sand]

welll i dont have shiny hunter

[gentle gulch]

We dont know yet the time and how many reruns so i wont talk yet

[crystal basin]

MY SHINY DELTA IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gentle gulch]

But these events seems like x2 on almost everything lmao

[junior pendant]

delta in big 2025

[steep sand]

2x trait luck?

or even etter

[crystal basin]

they should limit only banner units if that event exists

[steep sand]

2x energy drain?!?!

[gentle gulch]

New modifier next upd

Your unit cant attack unless its vanguard rarity

[steep sand]

i got a leak for next modifier next update:
Freezing Units:
If unit attacking is named 'Escanor' or has 'Burn' do more dmg
else: 0% dmg

[crystal basin]

burn meta in big 2025

[latent escarp]

Hah

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[steep sand]

bro

i wanted to make a burn team when i saw hibana release

but then the only good burn unit sol got gutted

[latent escarp]

what

by depleted being on a single boss?

[steep sand]

no

by seeing energy drain was still in the fucking game

[gentle gulch]

Av modifiers just suck overall

[crystal basin]

astd x did it better with balanced traits

[gentle gulch]

They are supposed to make the game harder, not imp unless you bring Aladin/specific units lmao

[gentle gulch]

Their modifiers are actually balanced and fun

Like powerful

[steep sand]

i have an idea

we replace every modifier with thrice

[thorny otter]

Pvp zero rewards

[latent escarp]

You better not be tryna tell me all star is balanced

[crystal basin]

it is

[steep sand]

more-so than AV

[onyx swallow]

bring paint wear from cs

[steep sand]

but neither game is too balanced

[latent escarp]

Well yeah, more than AV

[onyx swallow]

crazy trading value

[latent escarp]

but all star is not a balanced trait either

[crystal basin]

it increase your cost by 1.75x which very annoying to against powerful

[onyx swallow]

imagine pulling a factory new kaguya shiny

extra value

[latent escarp]

that 1.75x cost ultimately doesn't mean as much, it's still more cost efficient

At worst, you palce your unit a wave later

[crystal basin]

i love to use my genesis killua than my all star ulq

[steep sand]

i have an idea

we make non monarch units bypass modifiers

ooh that fixes everything

[latent escarp]

TRUE

Hear me out

We just add things to make non-monarchs better

[outer inlet]

"devalues monarchs so we cant add it"

!

[outer inlet]

that would devalue monarchs nether

[latent escarp]

good

[outer inlet]

by the devs reasoning that means it cant be added

[latent escarp]

I hate monarchs

[outer inlet]

lol

[latent escarp]

Im deleting mine

[gentle gulch]

How to make the game drop to 5k ccu in one simple step ahh suggestion

[steep sand]

i have an idea

the rarer ur trait

[latent escarp]

me looking at the entirety of the aot cast and then units like rimuru and ragna

[steep sand]

the faster the enemies

[latent escarp]

guys

lets just make it

[gentle gulch]

Just like keep making vanguards a 100-400h grind haha

[latent escarp]

so you can only equip one monarch per team

[outer inlet]

yeah but all of those units suck so they dont really devalue any monarchs 😭

[steep sand]

no no

this is what we do

[outer inlet]

unless your playing a traitless gamemode

[crystal basin]

rimuru was peak until u realize he has no immunity

💔

[latent escarp]

it's like 100h at most with pity and events coming

[onyx swallow]

bro realistically just make units that arent meant to have monarch be cheaper

[latent escarp]

if only there was a unit that gave status immunity

[onyx swallow]

like have it built in

[steep sand]

why would anyone use it

they can jst use that super cheap monarch to early defend

lol

[outer inlet]

if only i didnt have 3 units that are by base better that i could use instead

hmmm

[steep sand]

then farm for more expensive monarch

[outer inlet]

that are completely immune to it

hm

[steep sand]

thats why

[gentle gulch]

I will still hate 🥭, valk told me we might get something related to them tho

[steep sand]

placement limit usually doesnt matter

for most gamemodes

[gentle gulch]

Lowkey hyped but prob will be a fumble

[onyx swallow]

why is that a bad thing

[steep sand]

its why ppl went for unique even on 4 placement units in AA

[steep sand]

im just saying

no ones gonna

use it

over a monarch version

[onyx swallow]

ya but if u roll ethereal thats as good as a monarch youll be fine with it

[steep sand]

not as good

its a massive diff

[latent escarp]

monarch really is just an unbeatable monster

[onyx swallow]

fs not as good

[latent escarp]

there is not combatting it atp

[steep sand]

there is

[latent escarp]

instead best approach is to bridge the gap

[crystal basin]

who the hell deciided to add 1 placement unit

[steep sand]

trait eat modifier
the more rare ur trait on ur unit, the more this enemy heals off ur attacks

[onyx swallow]

reacting to ur own msg

[long thorn]

[steep sand]

is that meant to be bad

im the best

[onyx swallow]

💔

[latent escarp]

The original idea being that they wouldn't be good in traitless

[steep sand]

they never promote any traitless gamemodes

:/

[gentle gulch]

Stun literally makes monarch worse, unless there was some units that are immune or a new unit that cleanse them

[steep sand]

WL traitless is the most fun gamemode but its a huge time waster to actually get to the fun floors

[onyx swallow]

they increasing scaling i think

[steep sand]

WHAT IIF

[gentle gulch]

Astdx perfectly balanced traits (ofc all star will still be better on some units)

[latent escarp]

traitless LBs, not just standard content

[gentle gulch]

But you want other traits for most of the units

[onyx swallow]

can confirm doing this rn the dopamine i feel after beating a hard floor is crazy

[steep sand]

what if we make monarch take their placement limit X modifier, so a 10s stun on a 4 placement monarch would be 40s

[latent escarp]

yw for that btw

[crystal basin]

stun was fine if they didnt add it to any enemies in map

[latent escarp]

okay what does that solve in the 1 placement department tho

[onyx swallow]

what exactly is happening? more base hp or more scaling?

[steep sand]

makes monarchs weaker against modifeirs

heh.

[gentle gulch]

Its cool trying to avoid it with farms/supports

[latent escarp]

I was the one who brought up a traitless worldline lb before because traitless lb was more like a puzzle at first, so it was more fun

[limber terrace]

please dont rework pvp its a waste of time no one plays it and extremely mid

[gentle gulch]

Such trash rewards

[long thorn]

Bring up removing challenges next

[steep sand]

i like shiny invincible

[onyx swallow]

damn u rly the goat

[latent escarp]

as for this, basically take traited wl. top floors are at like floor 300, so the scaling for floor 51 is going to be the same as current floor 250 or so

and then go from there

[onyx swallow]

i WILL get omni man

[latent escarp]

Basically skipping the vast majority of the easy stage stuff

[onyx swallow]

we love skipping

[latent escarp]

base wl is gonna be the same

Just something for people to gradually go through

[gentle gulch]

Would be nice a little jump to like 90

[latent escarp]

but the LB mode difficulty spikes after the floor 50

[gentle gulch]

Thats were usually the difficulty starts showing

[latent escarp]

base wl isn't supposed to be difficult though

[fresh sentinel]

Elphelts 2nd nerf was uncalled for 🥀 why did they add a limit instead of just increasing the cd

[onyx swallow]

base wl is perfect as is
get ur unit and go
gets too mcuh hate

[gentle gulch]

Lb would be inf waves

[fresh sentinel]

You know how small elphelts circle is

[gentle gulch]

Its already like 600 but pretty sure with astolfo bug

[fresh sentinel]

and its global😭

[gentle gulch]

I meant to traitless 51 mb not base

Prob 80

[latent escarp]

Oh yeah

That's about what it's supposed to go to

[fresh sentinel]

Summons dont even need that much dmg tbh

[latent escarp]

Because it needed a limit because infinites were ABSURD without it

Imagine clumping 1k enemies with baiken tether and then just one-shot converting them all with no hp cap

[fresh sentinel]

They could done so many things other than a limit

[onyx swallow]

limit is needed

[gentle gulch]

I could understand no lb skin but i hope they buff the rrs ngl

Oh yeah and fix the damn title 😭

[onyx swallow]

consider inf and pvp limit was def needed

[latent escarp]

yeah the rewards aren't getting buffed

[fresh sentinel]

They could have just nerfed the pecentage of hp the love shot summons had

[latent escarp]

That doesn't solve the issue

[outer inlet]

for not pvp right

[onyx swallow]

[outer inlet]

i just came back

ur not talking about pvp right

[latent escarp]

for wl lb

[fresh sentinel]

And gave her a way longer cooldown to make it so you arent unkillable in pvp

[gentle gulch]

I keep getting the same answer from devs but eventually they will buff them 😡

[fresh sentinel]

And actually have to time your ants

[outer inlet]

oh

[latent escarp]

The fact is that Elphelt one-shots any non boss enemy. Regardless of HP.

It needs a limit of some kind to keep it in check

[onyx swallow]

which is good

makes her unique

limit was the right choice

imo

[gentle gulch]

Does the weird pvp modifier cancels the transform/kill from elphelt/medea?

The one that makes active abilities dont work

[latent escarp]

Honest? No

[gentle gulch]

ic

[latent escarp]

I think it should

but

[fresh sentinel]

Which could have been a good interactive game mechanic to force the opposing players to bait out a love shot

[gentle gulch]

Main pvp issues is the roaster and modifiers ngl

I love seeing devs telling pvp should be skilled but having exclusives units in it

[onyx swallow]

also time

[gentle gulch]

Idrc about time if the elo gain/lose is balanced

[onyx swallow]

but it isnt yk

[gentle gulch]

OH YEAH YOU CANT STILL SEE YOUR ELO MAN

[onyx swallow]

acc they changed it recently

[gentle gulch]

ON ALMOST AUGUST

[latent escarp]

bro ive just given up on pvp fixes

they're never happening

[fresh sentinel]

If odyessy can get a rework pvp can to

[clever solar]

One day...

[onyx swallow]

oh wow

daring today arent we

[gentle gulch]

They should remove pvp and call it a day ngl

Unless they actually admit that the current pick/ban system and enemy hp/modifier selector sucks and actually change them

[fresh sentinel]

Ban system is good wdym or you talking abt bugs

[outer inlet]

doubt it

tbh

[gentle gulch]

6 bans is def not good for most players

[outer inlet]

ban system would be good if they just

scaled it instead of right away

bronze players shouldnt have their units banned

imo

[gentle gulch]

I dont even know why it doesnt have a lvl req 😭

[outer inlet]

idk bro

[gentle gulch]

On astdx makes sense since 3* and 4* arent useless

[outer inlet]

bronze & silver are where the shit players should be but EVERYONE is in bronze * silver cause noone plays

[gentle gulch]

But here is +mythical or nothing

[gentle gulch]

Yeah

[outer inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/csm-chainsaw-man-yoru-war-devil-asa-mitaka-gif-17711344643411364429

[gentle gulch]

I think it could be cool to have x modifiers to choose every game rather than having all of them every game

Same goes for the units

Pvp is soo, SOOOO repetitive

[outer inlet]

yeah

like

a card draft

of modifiers

or smthn

[fresh sentinel]

Pretty balanced for people with stacked inventory they need to make a seperate mode for newer players

[outer inlet]

or just

scale ban counter based on rank?

like most games?

[fresh sentinel]

Theyr just gna be stuck at that rank

[outer inlet]

people would be atleast able to play if they're not as far along as others

[fresh sentinel]

true

But their is going to be a noticeable gap once they get up in tiers

Unless their grinding new units in between ranks

still going to end up being unplayable and drive away new players

[outer inlet]

well

yeah

then they get more units

idk

its a hard thing to balance but

[outer inlet]

bump

[outer inlet]

woom;

[warped whale]

no its not

im not reading allat

[outer inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257664051132104794/1399028081368367347/tenor_23.gif

it’s like 1 paragraph

[outer inlet]

Bump

[junior pendant]

make pvp a REAL pvp where WE ARE the unit

[fresh sentinel]

unrealistic because goku would solo

[sharp pond]

just delete the game mode

[fresh sentinel]

clears your fav gamemode

[sharp pond]

tournament > everything else in the game

[junior pendant]

todo victim

[fresh sentinel]

tourny is just copy and pasting other peoples strats worldlines and pvp betta

[outer inlet]

beam victim

[sharp pond]

worldlines and pvp competing for worst game modes

an actual mid off

[fresh sentinel]

pvp with no bugs and decent reward system clears

[junior pendant]

wordlines just need a hard mode option to be good meanwhile pvp needs a full ass rework to be decent at best

[fresh sentinel]

tourny overrated

[outer inlet]

this is like the only things they need to do

2 is like a more rework

but as a remedial fix 1 is fine

[outer inlet]

bmp

[outer inlet]

bump

[fresh sentinel]

yo anyone know how acruied works I was about to make a suggestion about her summons but while I was testing her in training she summoned a whole pantheon

she never did any of this when i used her in portals

[shrewd heath]

Dude

She need kills

Like final hit

It's not takedowns like vsjw

[fresh sentinel]

so babadi stocks went up

[outer inlet]

no

babadi makes her counter go up faster

1 kill = 1 counter

pretty sure

or it might be takedowns idk

but basically

when she goes into type earth

[fresh sentinel]

babadi forces it to be kills

[outer inlet]

she just sends all the kills

rly?

[fresh sentinel]

so no his stocks did not go up\

and I was right about her summons they do need a change

[outer inlet]

yeah they're not getting one

av nerfed her

she is NOT being touched again

[fresh sentinel]

the summons should atleast compete with sjws after 15 waves

of grinding blood stacks

[shrewd heath]

no

wtf are you testing

[fresh sentinel]

yes he does that how it works

they made it change takedowns for units into kills and then buffed it

[shrewd heath]

@latent escarp do you know if this is true?

balabi apparently turns kills into takedowns for arc, still don't make any sense because she needs the final hit regardless

[latent escarp]

No?

Babidi is just kills

[shrewd heath]

@fresh sentinel exactly

[latent escarp]

Arc just gains stacks either on bleeding takedown or when bleed is applied in her range

[shrewd heath]

so ur TRIPPING

[latent escarp]

Babidi might give her extra stacks

[latent escarp]

If she gets the kill

[shrewd heath]

i see this for boo?

not arc

[fresh sentinel]

im talking about babadi

[shrewd heath]

and we're talking about arc?

[latent escarp]

That wasn't a change to babidi

[shrewd heath]

becaues it's who u want use babadi on

[latent escarp]

That was a change to buu

Originally he got stacks on takedowns

Which made him not work with babidi

[fresh sentinel]

so it wouldnt affect her stacks

since its takedowns

just the summons

[outer inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391934986067771474/1392957173679525938/togif.gif

[fresh sentinel]

still wouldnt affect her stacks which was the whole point

[shrewd heath]

😂 😂 😂

How are you still wrong

[fresh sentinel]

her stacks are take downs

[shrewd heath]

Go test her with the families equipped on her and come back to me

Annoying av members

[fresh sentinel]

and blood entry

babadi familiar is kills

it didn't work on buu because his passive was takedowns

use your brain

[fresh sentinel]

gotta be rage baiting

[outer inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380450334056644658/1399054955339583598/six_cats_colored.gif

[outer inlet]

bump

[left wraith]

yap sesh

[outer inlet]

theres a tldr

people cannot read anymore in the big 25

[left wraith]

ik just kidding

[outer inlet]

🥀

nah ik

im kidding too

zz

https://tenor.com/view/hiii-cat-wave-cat-wave-hi-gif-174708314057938083

what is with me bro its 2am

[left wraith]

😚

[outer inlet]

bump

[outer inlet]

bump

[outer inlet]

bump

[outer inlet]

Bump + And a sneak of what I'm working on next!

[past hearth]

owo cook boi

[outer inlet]

#1401198595318874142

[outer inlet]

bump

[outer inlet]

bi,[

bump

[outer inlet]

bump

[potent bison]

Hopefully He can climb Jakobs ladder

[outer inlet]

bump

[past hearth]

bump

[outer inlet]

My next suggestion will be for Fire Force! Popular anime that I know a decent amount about (not everything, so expect their to be some mistakes sorry) and that can actually be done! (seen by Hebano)

@past hearth is ts peak

[past hearth]

ur burn units are the most creative frl

[outer inlet]

ty

SUKUNA RAHH

[past hearth]

😍

[outer inlet]

i like making the cards

so

there will be more

full fire force with that layout

[past hearth]

type shit

type soul

[outer inlet]

SETROOO

[fresh sentinel]

did the testers do anything

[outer inlet]

bump

[violet hound]

what do they even do?

[fresh sentinel]

Theyre supposed to test the game to find bugs

[violet hound]

ik i mean like the image of dj khaled that says "what does he even do?"

[fresh sentinel]

Ooh

Lucy just got added to guilty gear give her a meter👽

[outer inlet]

Bump

[heady hull]

I think pvp in general takes too long and rewards too little for me to enjoy

I want to enjoy it but it doesnt give me enough to want to continue with it over just afking infinite for gems

[outer inlet]

Yeah

[outer inlet]

bump

[outer inlet]

#1402280526173175888

[outer inlet]

f

[outer inlet]

f

[outer inlet]

F

[tawny locust]

Bump rework pvp

[outer inlet]

F

[outer inlet]

F

[outer inlet]

F

[crystal basin]

Pvp is peak once day

[outer inlet]

he’s

yes

[severe echo]

uhhh sure idk anyone who plays the current unrewarding buggy pvp, i aint reading all that so i agree

[outer inlet]

F

yeah