How to NOT make a unit: Eren yeager edition

[outer belfry]

he's fucking pointless

reiner is so ass

[obsidian cliff]

He mid

[paper fern]

At least good for pvp ig

[frozen coral]

NOT IN PVP 🗣️

WE LOVE PVP CONTENT

[unreal glen]

Subaru buff with cost reduction seems very solid for my monarch kaguya

[thorn zinc]

surely they are waiting for an aot update rework so they can release erwin

surelyyyyy

[outer belfry]

we had the option to bring ichigo and sokora back into the meta but nooo

lets prohibit any good thing from coming from this update

[paper fern]

They don't 😔

[obsidian cliff]

Noyes

[paper fern]

They're still ok

You can carry portals with sokara and salter

[outer belfry]

ichigo sucks ass and sakura is a slave for salter

[obsidian cliff]

Bro not saving the av society

[outer belfry]

and salter sucks

[thorn zinc]

guys is my monarch karem still good

[paper fern]

I mean you can go current bq/dante unit + sokara + high spa unit

[weary epoch]

Sakuras entire purpose is being ywach or salter buff

[paper fern]

Good for 15 waves

She has an use

[outer belfry]

she buffs yhwach?

[outer belfry]

how much can she lower his spa by

[weary epoch]

You can use her to decrease his spa

[thorn zinc]

this is the meta loadout right

[mint forge]

[outer belfry]

nah meta loadout is all aot units no farms

[thorn zinc]

15 monarchs incoming

[paper fern]

gang I prefer units having uses for a long while for specific categories rather than em being completely useless in few months

[outer belfry]

how have you still not done this quest

[obsidian cliff]

Who is that unit

[thorn zinc]

an ass lb unit

in all waya possivle

woah

i cant spell

in all ways possible

[obsidian cliff]

👍

[outer belfry]

did you just ignore spider forest since release

[paper fern]

Lb units are just for the cosmetics vro

[thorn zinc]

pretty sure he was duped

his cosmetic has been broken

since he was added

and he stayed for like 2 seasons

so like

yeah

[obsidian cliff]

[paper fern]

Why would you even dupe him

[outer belfry]

trading

maybe

idfk

[thorn zinc]

value

[paper fern]

There's no trading yet 💔

[thorn zinc]

hes a lb unit

thats the whole point

[weary epoch]

Missed out on rengoku because didnt have bleed

So stupid

Hes trash anyway

[paper fern]

You're the stupid one for that bro 😭

Just get a legendary bleed unit

[thorn zinc]

you dont even hold the sword properly

[paper fern]

Or epic

[weary epoch]

I didn’t even know bleed existed outside of alucard

[thorn zinc]

the effect other than the sword is just a blue glow every like 2 secs

[paper fern]

That's your fault vro

[thorn zinc]

so like

genuinely pmo

[weary epoch]

I was trying to solo it with monarch sjw

[obsidian cliff]

[weary epoch]

And vegeta

[thorn zinc]

pretty sure broly was also duped

[paper fern]

skill issue fr

[thorn zinc]

the devs dgaf about the competitive community

[paper fern]

just get a bleed unit

[thorn zinc]

😭

[tropic valley]

pyseph removed his dupes

[paper fern]

Anyways I'ma sleep

[thorn zinc]

didnt know that

[weary epoch]

Pvp actually got a decent meta

[paper fern]

Pvp is good ye

[tropic valley]

he also cleared unduped from some poor dudes out there

[weary epoch]

the only gamemode where using sjw isn’t the best option all the time

[paper fern]

Toji is usable on pvp

[thorn zinc]

anyways they still dgaf about the lb community with how ass the cosmetics are

and now we get

[outer belfry]

💔

[thorn zinc]

SKINS

instead of a unit

[thorn zinc]

[paper fern]

he's banned all the time

I enjoyed pvp idk about y'all

[thorn zinc]

the lb skins are ass still btw

they have 0 effort put into them

its not even a flex

people would make fun of you for using it

because thats how ass it looks

😭

[obsidian cliff]

Take to long for a pvp

[outer belfry]

just remove all the shop stuff

[weary epoch]

I just use him and my other vangaurds as free ban slots

[outer belfry]

and put the skins from there

into lb

[thorn zinc]

do people ban diavolo in pvp

[weary epoch]

They nerfed how long it takes like twice

[paper fern]

I still enjoyed it

[paper fern]

Not banning baiken is pure pain

[outer belfry]

just remove pvp advantage units bro

[paper fern]

Why?

[outer belfry]

or make the game like bloons tower defenes

[weary epoch]

I dont have him couldn’t tell one time i ban someones diavolo i lost

[paper fern]

They're ok bro?

[outer belfry]

they add literally nothing and if you dont have them = loss

[thorn zinc]

LMAO yeah never ban diavolo

hes ass

[paper fern]

No??

[thorn zinc]

if you could get his ability going, decent

but pretty sure aizen does a better job

[outer belfry]

pvp as a concept is bad in this game

tower defense games should just give you a set of units for pvp to see WHO CAN USE THEM BEST

[paper fern]

Dawg you just said you can't win without pvp based units

[outer belfry]

not have the same stupid teams and get like 5 bans and lose if you dont have the correct units

[weary epoch]

If you stack him ontop of esdeath baiken and sakuyas abilities with aizen and vergil as your dps hes pretty insane

[obsidian cliff]

Why they ad pvp passives for 2 updates and not do it it upd 7

[paper fern]

That's false asf

[thorn zinc]

astdx pvp lowkey pmo but i like it at the same time

[paper fern]

Just ban enemy units

🥀

[outer belfry]

Pvp games YEARN to be like Bloons Tower Defense

[tropic valley]

pvp is trash after the change its pure dps competition rn

[outer belfry]

anime td pvp will never reach btd battles levels of balancing and success

[frozen coral]

yes bro

[paper fern]

I haven't tried it after the Change

[frozen coral]

they shouldnt of done the hp and speed shit

honestly

i bring 5 dps and medea

atp

i dont lose

but

just boring

[obsidian cliff]

Pvp should let you spawn bosses that stun or spawn units

[thorn zinc]

😭 bloons has such a good balancing team mainly because they take long to release new towers, it just doesnt work out in the atd genre where you need to pump out new units constantly

[paper fern]

They could've speed up the waves

[weary epoch]

What did they change about pvp

[outer belfry]

just make all matches mirro matches and randomize units

[frozen coral]

the hp and speed scaling are crazy

like

one time

boss 1 choso

2.3m hp

[paper fern]

Dawg they release like once a year

[frozen coral]

like what

[tropic valley]

atleast baiken is finally meta in pvp

she was ass before

[paper fern]

No wdym

[tropic valley]

get over here didnt work properly

[weary epoch]

So they turned it into tourny😭

[paper fern]

She was always meta

[weary epoch]

it was fine before

[tropic valley]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[frozen coral]

if i could queue shed be good

the issue was people complained matches went too long

which was fair if you were bad

but

[paper fern]

Energy drain?
Reflected back to the enemy

[frozen coral]

then they didnt buff rewards

[thorn zinc]

does av pvp also take years to queue

[frozen coral]

the speed barely changed

[frozen coral]

i average like 15-20m queues in silver

[weary epoch]

They could’ve just added 2x to that SPECIFIC gamemode

[tropic valley]

30 mins each

[thorn zinc]

astdx pvp pmo bro i genuinely cant get into a match and im only at 180 elo

[outer belfry]

astdx is an ass game

[tardy hawk]

matches are going to last longer every update anyways 🥀

[thorn zinc]

😭 astdx pvp takes like 3 mins and im complaining

[thorn zinc]

pretty fun to play imo

[outer belfry]

just u gng

[paper fern]

80-100k players

[obsidian cliff]

2x and 3x anoying

[tropic valley]

30 mins for 150 gems and 5 COINS!!!!

[thorn zinc]

at most 2k are playing pvp

and thats a huge huge stretch

[paper fern]

2k is like 10% of AV players rn

[thorn zinc]

and at most 5 are playing at my rank when im on

so like

it justifies

[frozen coral]

this is just a complete lie

[thorn zinc]

3 mins in astdx vs 15-30 mins in av

[pearl dagger]

5 coins for 20 minutes is peak gameplay

[paper fern]

Yeah less ppl in AV are playing pvp

[tropic valley]

it was only 14 mins before

[frozen coral]

yeah

my matches last longer now

tbh

[tardy hawk]

they just need to shorten the namek map

[frozen coral]

because more dps less supports

and

[outer belfry]

pvp could be saved if they did the btd battles ONE formula
randomize units/select 3 units depending on the gamemode (so people dont get cliffed by not having certain units
different enemy types u can send to the opponent
reward players the longer the rounds take/higher rank

[thorn zinc]

i guarantee you at most 200 people continued pvp after getting edward

[frozen coral]

i cant save for my good ants

[weary epoch]

They ruined pvp🫩

[thorn zinc]

(edward is the pvp shop unit)

[tropic valley]

how do you all early def in golden castle anyways

[paper fern]

I can't see Edward in the shop

[frozen coral]

goated inf team

[outer belfry]

name just one thing wrong with this pvp format

[frozen coral]

usually bring goku or dante on that map

[thorn zinc]

xerxes scroll

[tardy hawk]

how are u even getting pvp matches

[thorn zinc]

you buy the scroll and get the unit

[frozen coral]

im playing infinite

[paper fern]

Anyways gn gng

[weary epoch]

Pvp format was not bad it was kind of like chill content for end game players

[tardy hawk]

judar clears

[tardy hawk]

oh

[frozen coral]

ants are so boring tbh

[outer belfry]

let new players partake in it too 😭 dont lock shit behind progress walls if its something as fundamental as pvp

[frozen coral]

atleast like

do the s-rank ants too

[outer belfry]

what r u talking about

[frozen coral]

@tropic valley the pvp suggestion is coming

[frozen coral]

white ants

[outer belfry]

in what

[tardy hawk]

WE need this

[tropic valley]

atleast notgoodguy is very strong rn in pvp after the change

[outer belfry]

oh

tha

t

[weary epoch]

We need old pvp back

[frozen coral]

WHEN CAN I SUMMON BERU IN PVP

[woven raven]

we have lost the plot

[frozen coral]

the plot is lost

wait

i need nether

@delicate hawk NETHERRRRRRR

are they planning pvp changes soon

because normally when i write a suggestion its either useless (trait rework...) or its already planned 😭

hes not here

wtf

bad tester

[thorn zinc]

bad tester

[summer slate]

Tester 💔

[frozen coral]

bad tester

fr

[outer belfry]

l tester

demote nether

[frozen coral]

who said qh

bro has to be dumb

[gray stag]

I got all the units in this update besides Sakuya. Feels like they're the top 3 best units this update somehow, which isn't that surprising since it happened with DMC too

[summer slate]

Who said that

What a dumb guy

[weary epoch]

Not rlly it adds a incentive to grind the game and actually get decent units and traits and strategies before playing

[frozen coral]

1k 2k or 3k words guys

or 4k

[outer belfry]

bro.

[frozen coral]

i need something to do while im doing bounties

[outer belfry]

do you want me to list everything wrong with this statement

[thorn zinc]

was this photo necessary

[outer belfry]

or should i give you 5 minutes to think about what you just said

[weary epoch]

Im not trying to lose to a noob with 6 monarchs

[gray stag]

Yes, never step on a street

[weary epoch]

Wouldn’t happen to me but

[outer belfry]

i think you need the 5 minutes amn

[frozen coral]

i love csm

[thorn zinc]

dont bother they will butcher csm too

[outer belfry]

how do you check wordcount in docs

i got like 20 pages on a suggestion of mine

[weary epoch]

Aint the sbr update

[woven raven]

tools

word count

[thorn zinc]

makima will be a unit that has an ability like diavolo

im telling yalll

[woven raven]

or ctrl + Shift + c

[summer slate]

It will be added in pctober, dw

[thorn zinc]

and thats gonna be it

[outer belfry]

how tf did you fit 4k words on 13 pages

[woven raven]

L

[frozen coral]

uh

idk

[outer belfry]

@frozen coral explain yourself

[thorn zinc]

maybe theres images

[outer belfry]

show us page 1

[thorn zinc]

idek

[frozen coral]

theres images

somewhat

idk

[weary epoch]

They should give you access to all units in the game in traitless

[frozen coral]

i mean like this is how the passives are formated

[woven raven]

i never even posted it

kinda

[outer belfry]

i would contract syphilis reading this shit

[frozen coral]

https://tenor.com/view/itadori-itadori-yuji-jjk-juju-cry-gif-9437012985854787460

5 units

10k words

how did that happen miso

[outer belfry]

i'm not tryna read a book bro

[woven raven]

had to scrap half cuz most of it was in the spring update

[outer belfry]

miso what are you doing man

explain yourself

[thorn zinc]

sadly the balancers prob have too much of an ego to take passives made by others seriously

[woven raven]

5 units, 5 familiars, 1 stage

[outer belfry]

one stage bro

fuck was in that stage

[woven raven]

i have learnt to condense my work

[woven raven]

each unit was like 1-2k words

[outer belfry]

what the fuck

[woven raven]

and stage filled up the rest

[outer belfry]

???

[frozen coral]

idk

[outer belfry]

why would you need 1k words to describe a passive

ykw

show us one of the unit pages

i need to see this shit

[woven raven]

passives, abilites and they all had a mechanic which tied them to 1 unit

[frozen coral]

i feel like this is a cool kit

imo 💔

[woven raven]

its kinda hard to explain

but now

everything is shorter now

because i know yall don't like reading

[frozen coral]

yeah idk how he does that

😭

ctually

in a doc maybe thats not that hard

[outer belfry]

i think he just makes it on an art ap

and pastes the image into a doc

[woven raven]

procreate

[outer belfry]

fair enough

[woven raven]

atleast its fun

[outer belfry]

you gotta show me how to do ts soon

do you use presets or create stuff like the background yourself

[woven raven]

(im not even half way done and its been 2 days)

but like tbf most of the time has been spent planning the layout

[woven raven]

wdym backround?

[thorn zinc]

only nitpick is that the guilt meter doesnt do anything until it turns into false guilt (even tho its prob there for lore reasons)

[outer belfry]

the background layer

[frozen coral]

lore reasons

asa

is

not the happiest person

[woven raven]

took stock image and edited it

everything else is selection tool and coloring

[outer belfry]

doesnt even seem that hard lowk

[woven raven]

not really

the hard part is just actually deigning it

[outer belfry]

coolio

[woven raven]

spamming boxes and guassiuan blur is OP

[outer belfry]

💔

[woven raven]

well back to work

[outer belfry]

yeah icl bro

no idea how you managed to get 2k words per unit

WHILE HALF THE FORMAT IS IMAGES

[woven raven]

no uh the planning doc was like all words

[outer belfry]

you tweaking bro simplify shi

[woven raven]

2k per unit because, passives abilites and they all had a mechanic to convert themselves to familiars which then i had to make familiar passives

well its scrapped now

[outer belfry]

good

[woven raven]

because it was way to long and complicated

[woven raven]

what i have been doing, condensed 3 images into 1 in the new format

[lyric pebble]

PREACH

[outer belfry]

let this be a warning and reminder whenever you get the urge to do something like that agian

[woven raven]

your not gonna like the Todo and Itadori concept then...

[outer belfry]

i've already said my warning

post it and you'll face consequences

[woven raven]

jk

there not even written yet

[idle raptor]

good thing its just one unit

[outer belfry]

they said they're rebuffing old banner vanguards

[woven raven]

but i have an idea

[outer belfry]

icl

todo and itadori shouldn't be one unit

just make them evo and have special attacks together

[woven raven]

but i have a cool idea tho

[outer belfry]

joint units that aren't specifically fighting together throughout their series just dont feel right

[woven raven]

well

[outer belfry]

i mean you wouldn't make a shirou & saber unit (or at least i wouldnt)

[woven raven]

it can work

[outer belfry]

cause the 2 characters have so much potential on their own

[outer belfry]

not as good as a singular saber unit and a single shirou unit

[woven raven]

pretty well too

[outer belfry]

stay with me now

[woven raven]

🤷🏻‍♂️

still gonna do it anyways

[outer belfry]

grrr

make 2 units

bro

why is procreate 13 bucks

[idle raptor]

todo (disabled) and yuji (bully)

[woven raven]

13 dollars??!?!?

i thought it was 5

well you can also use IBIS paint

[idle raptor]

you pay 13 dollars for this?

[outer belfry]

would krita work

[woven raven]

must have bought it when it was cheap

[woven raven]

never used it before

ive only used Ibis, Procreate and Photopea

but if its a standard art app with all the basic tools

then i could help

[idle raptor]

i've only used canva

[outer belfry]

its uh

slightly advanced?

theres like 50 tools in the top bar alone

[woven raven]

should be good enough then

[outer belfry]

but thats normal for art apps

this is another one

called pixlr

seems simpler

[outer belfry]

would this wrk

[woven raven]

pixlr?

looks like it has every tool you need

[outer belfry]

coolio

its 2am and dokkan isnt updating so i'm going to go to sleep now tho

gn

[molten onyx]

Hopefully they learn from this dookey ass unit design

And never make one like it again

[late python]

not full map nuke btw 😭 should've js made the rumbling like op summons instead of a 20m nuke

[obsidian cliff]

Wait its not

Bro is so trashhhhh

[small quarry]

[queen timber]

what is it then

[fluid scaffold]

mostly true. I don't think every dps unit needs to have immunities, but at the very least their dps should be good.

good enough to the point it's worth bringing a cleanse or smth

eren just sucks ass in that regard too

rumbling needs 500k yen and 3 units

basically useless in most modes

in 1 of the few modes you can use it in, ie portals, you can't bring 3 random units lol

idk who looked at a unit who does like 40k dps, costs 190k and needs 2 other units to be useful and went "yeah this is good"

more expensive than gogeta, does less than half the dps, has no utility. legit just

why

[frozen coral]

boss rush rahh

[fluid scaffold]

nightmare boss rush is legit so useless

and you can brute force with yhwach anyway

genuinely only use is getting ymir

evo 2 mid units twice to get another mid unit just so you can use the ability of 1 of the mid units

[wary maple]

if the shards got a better drop rate like 15%

in one night i could get like

1 phoenix shard

3 corrupt

and 2 elemental

🙏

[high moat]

bump

[twilit stump]

the real issue with the rumbling is that it completely ruins future boss rushes bc i can just rumble thhem

like its not balanced at all

99% of the time its useless

the other 1% it ruins a whole mode

my biggest issue with av balancing is we struggle to make just good at most things most of the time units

our units are too hyper niche and when you play to their niche it just dunks on everything

[fluid scaffold]

they're either too niche or they're literally meta for about everything

no in between

[fluid scaffold]

doesnt igris have smth that doesn't allow him to take more than a certain amount of damage at once

you could just give newer bosses that

or smth

[twilit stump]

making balanced abilities ❌
balancing bosses around broken ones ✅

[late python]

dawg aot upd would've been the perfect summons update 😭

instead of nukes

[fluid scaffold]

what else could you do at this point though lol

[chrome beacon]

Im just sad that they did dirty some units, like Reiner he is probably only usefull on pvp

[fluid scaffold]

yeah basically

for the 3 pvp players out there

[chrome beacon]

WHY ZEKE DONT SPAWN ANYTHING???

[prime oracle]

Wall titans could have been elite summons too dang

[fluid scaffold]

i think zeke is honestly the only cool unit ngl

gigantification is a cool concept

[prime oracle]

Speaking of which isn’t vsjw the only unit with “elite” summons

[fluid scaffold]

and it does have niches

[twilit stump]

lilia

[chrome beacon]

Ive made an aot update idea and i think i had better ideas how to make better units overall😔

[fluid scaffold]

yeah

[prime oracle]

Ah

[fluid scaffold]

eren and ymir are just

bums

[twilit stump]

[fluid scaffold]

and the niche is genuinely so niche

its legit just wave 30+ traitless modes

[chrome beacon]

Yep and I have monarch on him, its good with yehowach but bad with eren

[fluid scaffold]

cid is better in everything wave 20+ so long as there are traits

[late python]

They could hire me as the balance team leader

[fluid scaffold]

not powercreeping through raw stats and dps is 1 thing, giving an upd 7 unit less dps than upd 2 units is a whole another deal.

[late python]

Lmao

[fluid scaffold]

and not just a randon banner unit either

fucking eren

like what

[late python]

Yo btw js stop with the nukes yall r becoming more n more like astd

[fluid scaffold]

there's not too many tbh

[late python]

Yes but they're normalizing them

[fluid scaffold]

i dont really like 1 time nukes though

nukes in general are cool

but 1 time use nukes/max hp nukes are just

boring

[twilit stump]

Bro thinks i have a say

[fluid scaffold]

lets ping valk

[obtuse vault]

Hey half a million yen for a nuke that only works in long game modes is pretty dogshit (not to mention you have to get a 2nd eren and a 2nd zeke in order to evo ymir)

[twilit stump]

same

[fluid scaffold]

nah but seriously though half these aot units are just

[twilit stump]

because

you have to make them giga op to compensate

[fluid scaffold]

yep

[patent sigil]

Kazuya has major flaws

[fluid scaffold]

wouldn't call em major lmfao

[twilit stump]

kaguya nuke makes worldlines 380+ possible 😭 🙏

[fluid scaffold]

yep

[twilit stump]

the fact that its map wide and u have it on placement

is just insane man

[patent sigil]

Same dude who can't beat 341

[fluid scaffold]

heard that 384 is a wall

[patent sigil]

It isn't

[late python]

Yall have a testers' suggestion channel no?

[patent sigil]

You just need. Passion minsrch

Monarch

[late python]

it gets prior attention over the normal one

[twilit stump]

?

[fluid scaffold]

still just a suggestion

[prime oracle]

Elphelts time to shine

[fluid scaffold]

clearly they don't always care about that, a lot of times

[late python]

ayo did i just misstype challenge for channel

[fluid scaffold]

if every popular suggestion was added cid raid 2 wouldn't still have fucking cuffs after suggestions to remove that shit probably got like 1k+ cummalative upvotes

[twilit stump]

if the handcuffs were there from the start it would have been fine

the fact we added them like a month later

is what makes it so egregious

[fluid scaffold]

i wouldn't call it fine but yeah shit being added 1 month later was so stupid

plus the fact that a mode was more fun to play at a point where it was broken

is just

[twilit stump]

99% likely

[prime oracle]

Haven’t touched cid raid even since🥀

[twilit stump]

u can probably beat 384 with a godly strange cat but idk

[fluid scaffold]

hm

[late python]

can u tell them to upscale worldlines 50+

[high moat]

every take from you is worse than the last one

[twilit stump]

already did

[high moat]

at it point just add another farm to justify these prices

[obtuse vault]

Can we talk about the insane debuffs the aot legend stages have

[high moat]

the economy is already fucked if 1 single speedwagon can max out a vsjw alone

[high moat]

everyone hate them

what about them

💔

[obtuse vault]

1 takaroda with fortune

Is enough to max vsjw

[high moat]

speedwagon can aswell and he is cheaper

i never use takadora

he is so worthless

💔

[obtuse vault]

Oh boy here we go:

To use the Rumbling nuke anywhere other than the boss rush you need:

2 Evo Zeke
2 Evo Eren

70% of the playerbase have no units to combat the insane debuffs

And

Its required to have 4 monarchs on a team

To solo the ex stage

[high moat]

i known that, that is why i complain about how bad is eren as a unit

[obtuse vault]

Because the warhammer is rng

[obtuse vault]

193k to max 💔💔💔💔

[high moat]

you can do traitless with the aot unit (not worth it)

[delicate coral]

Oh boi, I did not just sit here reading this whole conversation🗿

[twilit stump]

what'

what stage requires more then 1 monarch dude

[fluid scaffold]

its just ex 4 that really has em

[delicate coral]

Kamui arrived

[fluid scaffold]

they're nowhere to be found anywhere else, really

[delicate coral]

Btw I saw you said Lancer bypass immunity, it’s because Yhwach shield is 100% dodge chance, not a immortal shield

[fluid scaffold]

oh and ig boss rush

[obtuse vault]

The major bosses with 4m hp, the warhammer crystal being pure rng, impossible to solo imo (unplayable without a monarch unit and a bleed comp)

[bitter lantern]

[fluid scaffold]

it's possible to solo with traitless units, but it's not fun to do that

[high moat]

the warhammer titan is stupid

[obtuse vault]

Not fun is an understatement 💔

[fluid scaffold]

i mean yeah

but you can do it

it is possible

[delicate coral]

Nah, Aizen and Reimu like him

[fluid scaffold]

that's all

[twilit stump]

if you need more then 1 monarch to beat anything in this game its a skill issue

[obtuse vault]

Yeah i guess but it is ridiculously difficult imo

[fluid scaffold]

with 1 monarch? eh

[obtuse vault]

I do NOT wanna put my full consciousness in this gamemode

[fluid scaffold]

traitless ackers can solo

tbh ex 4 is kinda meant to be that

[delicate coral]

You playing a Strategy game, wdym

[twilit stump]

i agree its hard but u dont need monarchs

its also hard in a bad way

[fluid scaffold]

i think the issue isn't even the grind of stage 3 or ex stage, it's the fact that the effort is going into vain

[twilit stump]

like im not tryna stay focused on the stage for 8 minutes

[obtuse vault]

YES BECAUSE THE WARHAMMER CRYSTAL IS SOO STUPID

[fluid scaffold]

if eren was actually fucking good

most people wouldnt complain as much

people let yama slide back in the day

[obtuse vault]

His summons were good

[fluid scaffold]

but you're gonna have to do 75 stages

to get a mid ass unit

[delicate coral]

Tier list set him high smh

[fluid scaffold]

and then do 75 more stages to be able to use that mid ass unit's ability

like what

[obtuse vault]

Put eren on bad bruh

[fluid scaffold]

150 stages to be able to use a mediocre unit

jeez

[delicate coral]

Higher than Dante or Vergil

Crazy shit

[high moat]

what are they smoking

[fluid scaffold]

tbh that is the traitless tl but yeah still pretty questionable

[obtuse vault]

A nuke that one taps everything will not justify 193k yen to max out

[high moat]

[fluid scaffold]

i mean his traitless dps is ight since you get all 3 placements in 190k but past that he's dog

[delicate coral]

It’s overall TL aka mainly focusing about unit utility and how it’s using around every gamemode

[fluid scaffold]

im ps optimal tl wouldnt have him so high

the regular tl assumes the units dont have monarch

[obtuse vault]

It CANT BYPASS SHIELDS BTW**

[high moat]

brisket boss meta

[delicate coral]

Oh ye, you got a good point

[delicate coral]

Brisket no diff Eren

🔥

[fluid scaffold]

still not worth using when rimuru is right there

let me just spend 2.5x the amount of yen it takes to max rimuru to get less dps

[twilit stump]

the main thing is eren is perma full aoe + alot cheaper then dante and vergil

[obtuse vault]

true..

[twilit stump]

dante and vergil are only full aoe half the time

[fluid scaffold]

without familiar and trait true

[obtuse vault]

Yeah but their utility compensates for that

[fluid scaffold]

traitless, no as much

[twilit stump]

what utility 😭

they are both just stat monsters

[delicate coral]

Fire TL

[twilit stump]

eren has the nuke + he can buff

[fluid scaffold]

yeah

[twilit stump]

nuke as in 2nd and 3rd placements

[fluid scaffold]

for traitless its sorta fine

[obtuse vault]

All for the very very cheap price of fucking half a million yen

[delicate coral]

Buff Giant unit?

[twilit stump]

nuke as in 2nd and 3rd placements

[delicate coral]

And we don’t like his nuke req like at all

[twilit stump]

yes

[twilit stump]

nuke as in 2nd and 3rd placements

[obtuse vault]

its still doesn't justify the ridiculously expensive requirment

[delicate coral]

How many was it? 400K+?

[fluid scaffold]

why the fuck are sakuya and reimu so high on the optimal traits tl with those aoes

[twilit stump]

I dont think i once said i liked the rumbling as an ability

[fluid scaffold]

i just saw ts

[obtuse vault]

you needa have fortune on steroids to even get that in under 15 waves

[fluid scaffold]

tf

[obtuse vault]

You need really good setup if you wanna use the nuke in rifts

[delicate coral]

Sakuya is support

Reimu is really good too

[obtuse vault]

Or longer gamemodes in general

[fluid scaffold]

yeah her timestop is slightly better than gojo

[fluid scaffold]

their aoes

are fucking

horrendous

literally worst aoes in the game

[delicate coral]

12s with 65s cd

[delicate coral]

Idk about Sakuya but Reimu aoe is really good, wdym

[fluid scaffold]

ik, gojo is 10s with 60s cd. 18.6% uptime vs 16.7%

[fluid scaffold]

no it aint

[delicate coral]

Cone aoe is fine for me

[fluid scaffold]

hold

its not a cone

🥀

[delicate coral]

You don’t know?

She can go full aoe for 10s

With her ability

[fluid scaffold]

This is the usual aoe

just the lines

i'd care about the full aoe if it wasnt 5% uptime

[twilit stump]

I didnt rank the bp units bc i never learnt what they did

[delicate coral]

Oh brother….

[fluid scaffold]

less actually

[fluid scaffold]

sakuya is decent time stop, reimu is handy for odyssey and like dungeons

[weary epoch]

Why dont their attacks pierce

[fluid scaffold]

as dps units their aoe is the worst in the game

i think reimu's do?

not even sure at thi s point

oh and the attacks have travel velocity

[weary epoch]

I thought that was the whole point of the unique aoe

[fluid scaffold]

so they can literally fucking miss

[delicate coral]

She actually cone aoe, I test it when she attack next to the path

[fluid scaffold]

no gang it's literally these lines

[delicate coral]

She only single hit when she’s at 0 layer

[fluid scaffold]

thats what "only attack in visible layers" means

the aoes are the cards, and knives in sakuya's case

confirmed with valk

it looks like a cone up close but it aint

[delicate coral]

Weird, mine still attacking really fine far away

[fluid scaffold]

they attacks fine sure but they have the chance of missing lol

[delicate coral]

I might check my eyes

[weary epoch]

Also sakuya doesn’t pierce at all

[opal sun]

Somehow Akaza aoe is better than both of her aoes

[delicate coral]

I got what you mean but mine attack like cone aoe

“Far away”

[fluid scaffold]

i got t50 day like 20 hours after update to test em cuz i found the hypothetical dps good

[delicate coral]

My ass

[fluid scaffold]

no it genuinely is

travel velocity"?

like really

[weary epoch]

False

[delicate coral]

What’s travel velocity

[twilit stump]

lowkey akaza aoe not that bad

[fluid scaffold]

uh

have you played shooter games

[weary epoch]

The attack itself taking time to hit the enemy

[delicate coral]

Ass take Kamui, ass take

[fluid scaffold]

basically the attacks take time to reach the target

its not hit scan

[opal sun]

Its goated on some situations ngl

[delicate coral]

Isn’t that just every single attack in this game?

[fluid scaffold]

what

[opal sun]

Acting like they wont miss the target 90% of the time

[fluid scaffold]

its not 90% lol more like 10-15 depending on map and placement but its bad

[delicate coral]

You said attack take time to reach target

[fluid scaffold]

yes, the projectiles take time to hit

and if the projectile doesnt hit the enemies dont take damage

[weary epoch]

Even without pierce most of the time its still good cc

[delicate coral]

Which is same as every unit

[fluid scaffold]

no other unit has this issue, no.

[delicate coral]

I mean if her aoe is like what you said, it’s have chance to miss, ye

Lemme check again

[thorn zinc]

just from what hes saying im thinking that the unit's attacks can miss enemies even without dodge chance or wtv and on top of the attack cooldown, you also have to wait for the attack to land which i guess its true for all units but prob weirder for this one

[delicate coral]

Ye as I check, you’re unfortunately right about her aoe💔

[delicate coral]

I mean how is it weirder tho

[fluid scaffold]

Its not true for most units as most projectiles are just hitscan

Its just the animation that has visual travek speed

Reimu and sakuya literally have it for some dumbass reason

[delicate coral]

I’m lowkey lost a bit hope for Reimu but I will still using her, I like 5 attack per second

[delicate coral]

Sakuya spa is 2 due to her animation

[fluid scaffold]

Im aware

[twilit stump]

cold units bro

[delicate coral]

Wait Kamui, since Reimu’s attack aoe is throwing her card with…. “That” aoe
Can her card hit same enemy more than once?

[twilit stump]

idk

[delicate coral]

Ig… I will just test this out

She’s not💔

[umbral swan]

buff

[high moat]

bump
i hate eren

[outer belfry]

YES we love units that take an entire team to be good~
YES we love horrible anims and bad models
YES we love the aot update

[fluid scaffold]

*take an entire team to still be mediocre

[outer belfry]

lovely balancing av

[fluid scaffold]

It was mostly okay upto 7.0 with minor setbacks

Idk what the fuck happened this upd

I dont wanna hear "oh but theyre not as strong as characters from other anime" when you got random characters outdpsing most db characters

[outer belfry]

favoritism at its finest

[fluid scaffold]

Apparently gg characters scale high so

Changed it to that

[delicate hawk]

I don't get how it's favoritism when AoT is on Kazi's lists of favorites

[fluid scaffold]

It doesnt really show is the thing

Aot units are disappointing, which makes people say that.

[delicate hawk]

It is what it is

[outer belfry]

guilty gear had better content and better units than aot
just because its one devs favourite doesn't mean it's not favoritism toward gg

[delicate hawk]

I just don't see how a "favoritism" argument is even meant to hold much water at all, much less so in this case

GG units were balanced and designed to function well on their own.
AoT units were balanced and designed to function more as a team.

[high moat]

zeke and ackermans:

[outer belfry]

except aot units were way more shit at their job than gg units were at theirs

still a valid argument, the update was done poorly while gg was done better even tho NOBODY WANTED IT

[high moat]

yhwach has a team and he completely nulify aot team
it game needs real powercreep and not passives powercreep

bu- bu- but they work better together so what
units should be atleast decent on his own

zeke is literally better alone than with the other aot units

[outer belfry]

YES we love being forced to run a specific team only for that team to be mid

NO we will not resist being fed portal slop for every x.5 update

[delicate hawk]

Yhwach also basically requires monarch to really make that team super viable, which a lot of people aren't going to have. Or just aren't going to have yhwach in general because rifts are so much worse to grind.

[outer belfry]

yhwach is highly usable without monarch

[delicate hawk]

This I kinda just disagree with. I don't think every unit should really be decent on their own. A majority, sure.

But I think it's fine to have units now and again that actually function as a team.

[outer belfry]

that doesnt justify having to waste 3 unit slots for the only good part of the unit's kit only for the unit's kit to be unusable for 70% of the game becaues its too expensive

also the fact that it doesnt even go through shield

[high moat]

rifts are better to farm because:

1. You have the option to leech
2. Doesn't have any bs mechanic or something that makes it annoying to grind
3. Have a pity that you can reach easily
   even if you can only do them once every 3 hours is a way better and faster system than doing aot legend stages
   nobody search for leechers on aot stages and people have ptsd with GG ex stage so not many people are willing to do it

yhwach is a far way more accesible and beginners friendly unit that the aot team and he is a way older unit than them

doesn't help the fact that ymir is from a quest

[delicate hawk]

Rifts are also just horribly time gated, and temporals only partially solve that considering you still have to wait 3 hours for each one.

[stark coral]

i genuinely don't understand why people hate the gg ex stage so much

it really is not that bad considering it's supposed to be endgame content

[high moat]

because av players hate playing with others

[summer slate]

Bc its the only stage that needs monarch to be soloable

[delicate hawk]

And if you want to leech, you have to find people to actually do it with, which isn't exactly easy if you aren't on the discord.

[high moat]

roblox players are stupid

[stark coral]

playing with others is 60% of the game

[stark coral]

then play with others

[high moat]

good luck finding decent people

[summer slate]

That at least have vsjw

[high moat]

forced teammwork is annoying

[stark coral]

even if they're bad at the game being able to talk with them is pretty fun

[high moat]

that is why everyone hate GG ex stage

[stark coral]

endgame content needs endgame units

[delicate hawk]

Because it was basically monarch reliant and required playing with other players with no real good way of actually getting people together, unlike rifts with a global timer for the entire lobby to see. And it was also because Baiken was hard locked behind the GG ex.

It's why the AoT one was so much better because a lot of the mistakes were learned from.

[summer slate]

Yeah well, its not my fault that they dont have it

[stark coral]

oh yeah getting baiken without lfg is pretty annoying

[tranquil anvil]

ts is why i gave up on baiken

[delicate hawk]

No hard-capped difficulty scaling, a stage buff for the update units that makes the stage WAY easier, and not being actually forced into doing EX to get Eren.

[stark coral]

lfg is not that bad man come on

[high moat]

is way easier to find people that want leechers or leech in rifts because the rift shop is actually good and rewarding unlike other shops (the mvp rewards help a lot)
people doesn't look for leechers on legend stages because is worthless for most part
also why ymir is only avaible after you farm eren and zeke

that is stupid

imagine hitting pity for eren and then need ANOTHER eren to get ymir

so eren can be decent

[stark coral]

Rifts are genuinely the only part of AV that feels rewarding when you reach endgame

[tranquil anvil]

maybe but i dont care if i have to play with multiple people to beat a stage im js not doing it

[stark coral]

pvp wishes it could be rifts

[tranquil anvil]

real

[weary epoch]

No cause its better

[stark coral]

it's so much more competitive

[delicate hawk]

If you aren't in the discord to actively go "looking to leech rift" it's a lot harder to do. It's also just annoying as FUCK playing around the time gate on rifts.

[weary epoch]

Before they made it every 3 hours

[high moat]

yea

[delicate hawk]

Even still

I only just got Astolfo like a couple days ago

[high moat]

still a better and more rewarding experience that going for aot team
if you get the unit before getting vowstone then you can use the currency to buy rerolls
if you get the unit before reaching pity you will have to still farm it for the evo materials and the extra eren

[delicate hawk]

I canNOT be assed to watch the clock and get on in the middle of other games just to go and do rift

[weary epoch]

People with 2 monitors

[tranquil anvil]

i forget rifts exist

[high moat]

doesn't help the fact that zeke evo materials come from a different stage than the stage that drops eren

which means more grind

MORE ANNOYING GRIND

[weary epoch]

Why dont they just make the drops come from the same stage for the mythics

[high moat]

imagine hitting eren pity twice

[weary epoch]

Playtime padding😭

[high moat]

then farm zeke evo materials which for some reason can drop you only 1

and he needs 12

12 for 1 and ANOTHER 12 for other zeke

[delicate hawk]

It’s not that bad

Besides, synthesizing the materials comes next update

[high moat]

the keys won't be included watch it

[weary epoch]

Also essences are annoying

Why cant you buy more with gold

[delicate hawk]

Essence is piss easy what

[high moat]

so is not worth doing the legend stages for the evo materials

[weary epoch]

Why only 12 a day

[high moat]

just do the naruto one and then wait for synthesis them

[delicate hawk]

What

[high moat]

[delicate hawk]

Challenges exist

[delicate hawk]

Also yeah

If you wanna wait until the next update to do it sure

[high moat]

better than having to do annoying stages 48 times ngl (even more if you not get eren)

my only eren was from pity

[high moat]

bump

[queen timber]

quick shout out to spring portals for giving me random secrets

[high moat]

whatever, just make eren and zeke a duo unit like vsjw

[fluid scaffold]

No they're permanently chopped

Just don't repeat ts though

[high moat]

escanor will have half passive locked if you don't bring merlin with him fr

i just hope they use one of the 7ds:GC moves for him

[delicate hawk]

bro wtf dont leak

[tranquil anvil]

if its not a real passive we riot

[high moat]

bump
just copy paste aa eren

[forest cedar]

just make it so he doesnt need ymir for the nuke 💔

[tranquil anvil]

real

[chrome beacon]

Or they should make him 2 Evo unit, like sjw so maybe they had more time to think how to make him a cool unit

[high moat]

airren & zakk (Royal Shifters)

[chrome beacon]

Yeppp pesk idea but idk how everyone would feel about second f2p Vanguard being duo unit

[feral wagon]

If I may, when comparing Arin and slime, their dps is on par with each other with Arin having around 25% more range, and if you're not account for the last upgrade of the rumbling, costs 140k for 3 placements, hes still very much viable without the ability

[outer belfry]

He takes 133k to get to upgrade eleven

thats 399k

[feral wagon]

[outer belfry]

oh

his ability is just unusable in 99% of content so rimuru still gaps him while taking less effort to get

[delicate hawk]

You just don’t place them all at once

[outer belfry]

yeah ik i realised how slow i was being 💔

[delicate hawk]

Anything that isn’t story length or a namek portal you can use rumbling on tbh

[outer belfry]

thats 455k bro

wastes 3 unit slots

and doesnt even go through shield

💔

[delicate hawk]

It’s not a waste if they’re your team

[feral wagon]

imo its less effort to upgrade 1 eren and place the rest then doing optimal rimuru upgrade cycle

[feral wagon]

exactly, theyre still good even without the ability

[outer belfry]

its a waste if you need literally anything else

you have 2 farm slots in most gamemodes and 4 units

[delicate hawk]

Mfs build a team and then say they’re wasting 4 slots

The only wasting slots is in portals, let’s be real

[outer belfry]

i could configure something that does more damage and has nukes in those 3 slots

[delicate hawk]

So yeah, you run 2 farms, armin, Zeke, Ymir, and Eren

There you go, there’s your team

[outer belfry]

why are we being forced to run 4 units

???

you just cant use them outside of their update and even if you do you get outdpsed or oututilitied by another team

[feral wagon]

youre not forced to use those units, they're still useful alone

[delicate hawk]

Because they were designed to function together as a team because AoT doesn’t really have a lot of flashy stuff to make kits out of and was better leaning into the more strategic sort of aspect?

[outer belfry]

we're talking about the rumbling

[delicate hawk]

Rumbling isn’t the only thing you use them for

Like they are still units that do fine at the end of the day

[outer belfry]

^

[feral wagon]

They get even better if you take the 3 together since they all buff each other anyways

[outer belfry]

they do worse than they would normally do if you dont run them together

[summer slate]

I want to say that, for rifts, the rumbling is pretty useful, the bad part is that those 3 dont hold off pretty well on their own

[delicate hawk]

Wdym you can’t use them outside their update

You can literally use the team to do any content in the game

[outer belfry]

hyperbole

you get the point

[delicate hawk]

I don’t

[outer belfry]

they're getting kicked off the team if you want somebody useful

to put it plainly

[delicate hawk]

What point is there

[outer belfry]

they aren't good outside of their own team

thats the thing

[delicate hawk]

They’re units that serve better for the newer or more casual player that isn’t farming every rr they can

Like rimuru and ragna

[delicate hawk]

That’s not inherently a bad thing though

[outer belfry]

then they aren't good

whatsoever

because their mid at best in their own team

and worse outside

[summer slate]

I mean, its kinda stupid to gate those units behind tedious gamemodes that they wont do on their own

[feral wagon]

?? what are you comparing them to

[delicate hawk]

What

[outer belfry]

Yeah, but you do realise most units in the game are very usable without having monarch?

or deadeye or ethereal or whatever

deadeye and monarch are the only traits that give you a significant advantage

[delicate hawk]

It’s like the game is balanced around blitz and monarch is terribly designed

[outer belfry]

everyone here

[outer belfry]

You do realise you're contradicting your own point here right

[delicate hawk]

Literally how

[outer belfry]

you're saying that the game is based around blitz not being a hard to get trait

and then saying that the units are bad without farming rrs

[delicate hawk]

They’re a team that excels with other traits without the convenience of monarch, where most other units are just kinda alright and usable as normal

[delicate hawk]

That’s not what I said at all

[outer belfry]

excels is quite the exaggeration

[feral wagon]

Broken tier is out of the question, I just compared eren to slime, cid is probably the only reasonable comparison

[delicate hawk]

I said the AoT units do well without farming rerolls

[outer belfry]

hell ackers isnt even on the titan type team

[summer slate]

Scholar ftw

[summer slate]

Technically mikasa

[delicate hawk]

I mean they are

They get the titan team buffs

[feral wagon]

we ranked these units not in their teams

its on their own

[outer belfry]

their pairing is fine its only 2 units

[delicate hawk]

In a vacuum solo?

[outer belfry]

They get buffs from passives that say they buff titan characters?

[delicate hawk]

Yes

The buffs apply to all the AoT units

[feral wagon]

Yea

[outer belfry]

???

[feral wagon]

They'd much higher of course in their team

[outer belfry]

so thats just unclear wording

[delicate hawk]

The category for the update is Giant

[summer slate]

If it had series it would make it more clear tbh

[delicate hawk]

Like how bleach is Almighty Invasion

[outer belfry]

tell me what you think of when you see giant in a passive

[delicate hawk]

Which only matters for Aizen evo but

[outer belfry]

do you think of levi or do you think of the beast titan

[delicate hawk]

What else are they supposed to say

“All Battle on Giant units”?

[outer belfry]

This quite literally would be worded better

[summer slate]

Man i love dragon sphere

[delicate hawk]

Oh yeah

I forgot about dragon sphere LOL

[delicate hawk]

It would also look ten times worse tbh

[outer belfry]

it says dragon sphere not saiyan units

[summer slate]

Hes right tho

[outer belfry]

irrelevant

[delicate hawk]

It’s not though

[outer belfry]

if you asked for a pizza would you rather have a nice looking cake or a slightly smaller than average pizza

[summer slate]

Like, i only noticed the buffs bc of the ex stage

[delicate hawk]

Okay now you’re reaching

[outer belfry]

if its blocking people from accessing their passives logically then it should be reworded

nether

i know this may be hard for you to understand

but its true

just cause it looks worse doesn't mean its inherently horrible

[delicate hawk]

Giant category allies. We don’t have standard categories for things like “the units that turn into titans”

[outer belfry]

oh my gosh nether

[delicate hawk]

The categories apply to updates

[outer belfry]

if you see giant category what is your first thought

keep that to yourself

[delicate hawk]

The only exception is Elphelt

[summer slate]

Goku

[delicate hawk]

In AV? The AoT units

[outer belfry]

also thats just worse cause it locks future units from getting buffs

[delicate hawk]

Huh

[outer belfry]

do you think zeke or do you think levi

[delicate hawk]

I think both

[summer slate]

I mean, tbf

[outer belfry]

no you dont bro

[summer slate]

All of the units turn into giants

[outer belfry]

you didnt say ts before you heard about the category's features 😭

[outer belfry]

ackers