The Resurgence of Anime Vanguards

[wary violet]

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[glossy light]

1. New units make no sense if old ones are still superior
Currently, many of the units released in updates don't bring anything new or better than previous ones, which makes their presence in the meta feel unnecessary. A clear example of this is VSJW and Koguro, two older units that still dominate despite newer releases.

The issue is even worse with Vanguard-type units, where most of them rely entirely on the Monarch trait to be viable. This heavily limits team diversity and makes many units feel obsolete just because they can’t function without Monarch.

A good example of balanced design was Gogeta—a strong unit, but not meta-breaking. On the other hand, VSJW stands out even without Monarch, while Koguro depends completely on it, showing an inconsistency in how traits are implemented for new Vanguards.

2. The game's economy makes Monarch the only viable trait
The current economy system doesn't allow proper use of alternative traits. Most units have 3 placements, which should theoretically make traits like Ethereal stronger, but in practice, you don’t get enough money in any mode (except Infinite) to max out more than one unit.

This makes Monarch the only truly viable trait, as it performs well even when used on a single strong unit, while other traits require conditions that the game doesn't support. Some units like Arin (Rumbling) or Slime (King) can bypass this limitation, but only because they require less investment to reach their full potential.

Suggested solutions:

Add a new farming unit to increase gold generation, allowing players to max at least 2–3 units in normal modes. (This should be a must).

Increase Monarch’s cost based on the unit’s placement count.

3. Traits are underwhelming or irrelevant
Except for Monarch, most traits aren’t useful or exciting—either due to their low impact or because the economy doesn't allow players to benefit from them. Even the few traits that are somewhat useful are extremely situational, which discourages their use (especially due to the lack of money to level up multiple units).

Concept examples of more interesting traits:

Astral: +10% Damage, +10% Range, and +20% True Damage buff.

Constellation: +1 additional placement.

Plasma: –10% spa, +20% DoT damage.

Atomic: Enemies take +10% extra damage.

These traits offer interesting mechanics and strategic possibilities, but none of them would work under the current economy, so that system would need a rework as well.

4. The "Unknown" element is completely broken
The "Unknown" element provides total immunity, which is an extremely abusable mechanic. Units like VSJW and Koguro stay meta simply because of this: they can't be debuffed, which breaks the balance of the game.

Other elements already attempt to cover defensive mechanics (like Spark, Nature, or Water), but they do it in a more limited and balanced way. That’s why "Unknown" urgently needs a redesign.

Suggested fix: Replace full immunity with a balanced mechanic like built-in True Damage, similar to Sokora. This would keep the element’s identity while being fairer.

Elements that need rework (current effect → proposed effect):

Fire : "+1s to DoTs".

Holy : "Debuffs last only 5s".

Passion : "+10% Damage on enemies with more than 40% HP".

Blast : "Extra hit for 7.5% damage" .

Unbound : "+10% Critical rate".

5. Lack of hard, long-lasting, and cooperative content🫂
The game lacks content that can’t be finished in a single day, which drastically reduces the longevity of each update. Ideally, there should be stages requiring multiple players, with complex mechanics and true cooperation, such as:

Rifts from update 4.0, which required coordination.

EX Stages, offering high-quality optional content.

Solo Leveling dungeons, which (like Bleach's rift) were extremely successful because of their difficulty and team-based design. At the time they were introduced, they were hard to beat and fun to complete—and the rewards were worth it.

Another strong point has been attaching missions to units, like VSJW or Eizan, where unlocking their full potential required completing certain steps or challenges. Units like Byeken, Giant Queen, or Roku 3 were also great examples of how to add value to units beyond just pulling or evolving them.

6. Basic TD mechanics could improve the gameplay ⚙️
While Anime Vanguards wants to maintain its own identity, there are core tower defense mechanics that could greatly enhance the strategic variety of the game:

Physical vs. Magical damage.

Elemental strengths/weaknesses (e.g. Fire > Nature, Water > Fire).

Flying vs. Ground enemies, requiring specialized counters.

Adding these would force players to use more than just 2–3 units to beat every stage, encouraging variety and strategy when building teams.

A great example is ASTDX, which, despite having worse gameplay, keeps its community engaged due to:

Character missions and tons of content.

Challenging stages without relying on Monarch.

Meaningful unit evolutions where everything has a purpose.

That’s why there’s always something to do, and players remain active and invested.

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Guys if u r agree with any idea mark it with the number and if u r agree with the overall with the star

[tropic crystal]

they already confirmed next upd has more visible powercreep

[scenic zinc]

The traits U mentioned would be completely useless btw

Expect +1 placement

[glossy light]

with the actual system yes

[scenic zinc]

Yeah but still they r way too weak unless it's common traits

[tropic crystal]

unknown doesnt get buffs in wl/tournaments/portals after rework so its kinda just a neutral element

[scenic zinc]

I also don't like the idea of elemental strengths/weaknesses, like I want to use my favourite unit in every mode

[glossy light]

but still strong in the most of stages

[scenic zinc]

It's not supposed to be limited

[scenic zinc]

I mean yeah but do U expect sjw to not have immunity

[tropic crystal]

monarch isnt getting changed and they said no new farms

[glossy light]

thats the problem

the game feels stucked

[tropic crystal]

the point is to not be obnoxious while also giving you a reason to evolve/use different units in different elements

[tropic crystal]

no they js need to add more long modes

[glossy light]

the game have 1 day of life upd

[scenic zinc]

I mean yeah but knowing av Devs they would prolly make it either 100% more damage or 0% damage

[tropic crystal]

prob random like tourney

[scenic zinc]

A good thing they could atleast imo is more double evos

[tropic crystal]

this update preformed poorly cus the long upd time + obnoxious modifiers + mid units not worth unlocking + ass models

[scenic zinc]

Since old units r basically trash now

And if I have a monarch Naruto then I don't want him to go to waste

[glossy light]

yeah but why bc the "good units" have the same pattern

[scenic zinc]

Idk if it just me but I hate seasonal events it's just repeating portals grind

[glossy light]

that is monarch reliant

bc the game dont allow you to use more than 2 full upg units

[scenic zinc]

I would rly like a farm that also reduces cost upgrade for other units

Would be a cool concept

Maybe not give as much money as takorada but also reduce cost of other units by like 15/20%

[tropic crystal]

what

[glossy light]

yeah or make the game playable with other traits that wont be monarch bc also the devs are conplain about that

[scenic zinc]

Personally I have a lot of monarchs so I don't really care about that but ye

[glossy light]

there is no one unit in this game that is meta and no monarch reliant except 2

[scenic zinc]

U mean there's not a single unit that is meta and non monarch reliant?

[glossy light]

thats the problem u normaliced play with a trait of 0.1% my friend lvl 160 pulled 1 week ago

[scenic zinc]

I am actually lvl 289 rn so

I think it should be normal that I have a few units with the best trait

Gng I ain't talking spanish

[glossy light]

mb

[glossy light]

Well, better said, there is no troop that would not like to take out a monarch.

[glossy light]

HAHAHAHAHHA

mb mb

[scenic zinc]

I am sorry bro but I kinda don't understand you 💔

I am trying to but yeah I cannot read ts

[glossy light]

i mean

in the game

there is only 2 units

that they do not take advantage of the monarch

[scenic zinc]

U mean there's only 2 units in this game that are meta and not really monarch reliant?

[glossy light]

yeah

but reliant isnt the term

[scenic zinc]

That's like rimuru and uhh

Idk what else

[glossy light]

the best option

[glossy light]

eren

[scenic zinc]

Maybe Ackermans but I have monarch on him and he does 55k DPS + bleed and slow

[scenic zinc]

Oh ye

[glossy light]

but the problem is bc the game dont allow u to have more than 2 units maxed

making the ethereal trash and only use full in 2 untis

[scenic zinc]

Nah I easily max atleast 3 units in my games

If it's 20 waves or more I can easily max all

[glossy light]

when the ethereal have more DPS than monarch in 3 placement units

[scenic zinc]

Just use both farms with fortune

[glossy light]

i do that

[scenic zinc]

What's Ur team

[glossy light]

but in 15 waves stage there is no way

onlt in rifts

bc the money u earn is too much

[tropic drift]

isnt that just bc its not necessary

the content that does that is easy

and bc its short

[glossy light]

yeah that i mean

that is the problem

[tropic drift]

short content?

[glossy light]

1 day life content

and easy

[scenic zinc]

Don't forget about boring portal grind for each seasonal event

[tropic drift]

i dont think long modes mean the game is harder tho

[glossy light]

yeah

the portals

[scenic zinc]

I absolutely hate the concept of seasonal events

[glossy light]

are hard for no reason

[tropic drift]

they just gotta increase the difficulty

[scenic zinc]

It's so boring

[scenic zinc]

??

They r so easy

[glossy light]

when u have to do like 1000 protals to pity

i mean

[tropic drift]

portal grind sucks

[glossy light]

with only 1 unit

bc u need the 100%

[glossy light]

the things i said is to make a way that the game would be more hard and funny

[tropic drift]

i hope escanor isnt related to the current portal geind

[tropic drift]

i didnt even read ur suggestion tbh

ill read rn

[glossy light]

nw

u didnt read it

[scenic zinc]

He will 100%

But I want a 7ds update since it would be cool

They could add meliodas along with it

[glossy light]

the thing

is doing the portals upd

hoping the most fun of the upd is doing the same ez thing at least 1000 times is

[scenic zinc]

I feel like they should add more power creep cuz why is my sjw from 2.5 updates ago still the best unit itg

[glossy light]

a torture

[glossy light]

yeah

[tropic drift]

i dont agree with ur suggestion

[glossy light]

why?

[tropic drift]

but the element part isnt bad it just needs to be more complex

[glossy light]

yeah

but

[scenic zinc]

Yeah I don't aswell cuz it's low-key buns

[glossy light]

the problem is that u cant expect that everyone is going to read all the element reactions

[scenic zinc]

Especially the traits U recommended

[scenic zinc]

Yeah just delete holy elemental reactions and we good

[glossy light]

can u imagine other traits?

[scenic zinc]

Yeah not smh like -10% dmg for 20% dot dmg bro

[glossy light]

of my post or of the game

[scenic zinc]

Wym

I said that they should just delete "holy" elemental reactions

[glossy light]

yo my bad

i wanted to put -10 spa

speed attack

[scenic zinc]

It basically has no buff

[glossy light]

mb mb

XDDD

[scenic zinc]

Oh ight that might be sum better but still underwhelming

[glossy light]

the traits is only a concept

i mean im not a dev

[scenic zinc]

Tbh I don't rly want new traits just buff the current ones

I saw a rly good suggestions for other mythic traits revamp a while ago

And it was good

[glossy light]

is also a good idea

[glossy light]

can u send it?

[scenic zinc]

Nah it was sometime ago I prolly can't find it

[glossy light]

f

is to mention them here

but if u remember any u can tell me to put it

or give other ideas

[scenic zinc]

Bro I can't send it bruh just look up trait balancing suggestion

[glossy light]

k

[scenic zinc]

Lilboyandi made it

[vestal nacelle]

air enemies please no

[scenic zinc]

Ye I hate air enemies

We don't need it

I hate the concept of ground/air units

[vestal nacelle]

air enemies with high regen 🥀

[scenic zinc]

I prolly like av the most just cuz there's no air enemies

It's what makes av special

[icy adder]

Bro Koguro is not a older unit, she is pretty new, she is not unknown without special units, people always forget cid is a unknown unit not only vsjw, yes most traits a for real not useable, buff them or give us more ways to get rerolls so we get the monarch trait better

[scenic zinc]

Buddy I get easily 250/300 rrs per week

[tropic drift]

1. ur just asking for clear powercreep which would render units useless overtime faster
2. this new farm would also benefit ppl who have monarch which would just make the game super easy (a soultion to not being able to max more units that dont have monarch would be playing a mode like dungeons which is able to help u generate more income than normal for like 30 waves)
3. i agee with 4 becayse they do need a rework but i don’t agree with your examples
4. multiple players shouldn’t be required bc we’ve seen ppl dont like being forced to play with others
5. elemental strengthens and weakens is fine and could be made with the current element system av has

[scenic zinc]

We don't need even more rrs cuz then monarch will just be free

[icy adder]

I don’t care what you get, people have lifes

[scenic zinc]

Buddy U can just leave Ur computer yk what I am talking about

I will get muted cuz AV doesn't like it

[tropic drift]

if ur playing av on mobile ur lowk not gonna get far unless u have no life at all

or unless ur lucky

bc of the current way the game is set up

[scenic zinc]

Yeah but U can do it on phones too

[icy adder]

The game is just not really f2p friendly if you watch other TDs and that’s a fact

[tropic drift]

it is f2p friendly

just need a pc

[glossy light]

the powercreep is a thing that u need in a TD but the problem inst just there is no powercreep the problem is there is units that are clearly broken and wont ne powercreeped

[scenic zinc]

Bro it's literally one of the most f2p tds

[glossy light]

ik inst older but still broken and ill be meta for a while

[tropic drift]

some units might not ever be powercreeped but they can be useless or not as good as other units for certain stages bc of modifiers and stage mechanics

[glossy light]

2 i also suggested more cost to monarchs and if u have a full monarch team u dont need as money as ppls with no monarch

[scenic zinc]

I hate power creep that's why I play anime vanguards instead of anime last slop

[glossy light]

no when unknow is broken and have inf nukes

[scenic zinc]

Units after one or two updates get replaced there

[glossy light]

that is the wosrt example

[tropic drift]

except no unit has inf nukes that have no cd

[glossy light]

anime last stand is power creep reliant

[scenic zinc]

Literally best example Brody

[scenic zinc]

Rudeus?

He can keep spamming the nuke

More like mini nuke but still

[tropic drift]

never used him so i wouldnt know

[icy adder]

Best way to get rr is boss rush, Yhwach shop, bounties and challenges right?

[glossy light]

bc are the game is made to use monarch on all units and does high nimbers

[scenic zinc]

Also oddysey and tournaments

[icy adder]

In which oddysey mode? Normal or endless? Because I play normal and never got a rr

[glossy light]

VSJW can spam summons with very high HP also Arc and kaguya switching domain does Dmg to all the map

[south willow]

lowk we need ex stages that are traitless but give more money, would allow newer players to do them without using luck based trait mechanic

[scenic zinc]

70 rrs from bounties, 104 from challanges, 50 from tourney, 40 boss rush, oddysey around 20-30 cuz I don't like to grind it and another 50 from rift shop

U can easily get atleast 250 rrs per week

I get over 300

[scenic zinc]

Normal

[south willow]

still

[glossy light]

if u won all the tounaments

[scenic zinc]

Tourneys R easy just look up tactics I usually get a bad bracket so I get top

[south willow]

thats still 6 weeks for a monarch

[icy adder]

Yeah still crazy

[scenic zinc]

I never went for pity bro

[tropic drift]

true but what about a stage that makes it so u cant summon at all or summons heal enemies or domains dont work. these are just clear examples with no effort tho

[scenic zinc]

Literally not a single time have I spent over 1k rrs on a unit and not get monarch

[south willow]

assuming ur hard grinding the game (i aint doing 104 challenges 😭)

[glossy light]

there is no stage like that

[scenic zinc]

U just need to do daily and 3 challenges every day bro

[south willow]

im working to get monarch invinible right now

[scenic zinc]

Then weekly when it resets

[icy adder]

I would do more challenges if the timer would be global and not based on my own time

[tropic drift]

but there can be in the future

[south willow]

ill do daily, and bosh rush, but half hourlies just seem so fruitless

[scenic zinc]

Bounty is the best thing ever added icl

35k gems and 70 rrs every week from it

For doing easy stages

[glossy light]

then u r expecting a gifted mechanic to kill a unit so thats lit power creep

[scenic zinc]

Rifts r also great cuz I can get my lovely astolfo

Still tryna get shiny even though I already have 11 astolfos

[icy adder]

That was the only time I grinded rifts lol, hate the 3 hour timer

[tropic drift]

no its just like the current aot stage. they wouldnt be as great in a certain stage

[glossy light]

in the overall still being the best units and also un the aot stage VSJW and Koguro are broken

they r inmune to everything

[icy adder]

Her being the first shiny I grinded feels so useless after knowing I never will use her

[glossy light]

why u wont use het?

[icy adder]

I am not gonna do a aot team, don’t waste rr on them

[scenic zinc]

And the shiny is so trash

Generally the models in this update r rly bad expect maybe normal eren model

[glossy light]

@tropic drift @scenic zinc if ill repost my suggestion what ull change?

[icy adder]

I mean shiny zekes titan is a cool easter egg and shiny Eren is funny

[scenic zinc]

Remove these traits cuz they r rly bad

Also uhh

[glossy light]

the astral

is good

that is the one i wont delete

[scenic zinc]

Farm suggestion is bad

[glossy light]

hell nah

[scenic zinc]

And the fact that U just want anime last slop level power creep

[glossy light]

no

i dont like

Anime last stand

bc is monarch reliant and is power creep upd

[glossy light]

the lvl of power creep i mean is dont make a unit broken to make the 4 future updates units under

[icy adder]

The only team I would see need for a new farm unit is for the aot team being viable in other modes than infinite because you don’t level up a Eren, zeke and Ymir in any mode

[glossy light]

thats the point

[icy adder]

I don’t get why they refuse to give us a good farm unit like give us a mytic one and make it so you can’t use the other two with it