#My Opinion on Hard Modes

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tall plinth
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(TLDR AT THE VERY BOTTOM)

Going to jump straight into this one since pyseph cleared it mostly already in his post in #sub-announcements.

Challenging Content & The Current Issues:

As you know, EX Stages are probably the most challenging content in the game. Whether that’s because your using multiple monarchs, or having to use pinpoint strategies with certain buffed units, its a lot of focus and reliance on strong, endgame units to beat.

But that’s the issue. A lot of newer players, or mid game players, don’t have the level of monarchs, or resources to max newer units, needed to beat these stages. And that’s fine, to an extent. The reason it’s not fine in Anime Vanguards is because the EX Stages are practically required.

For Byeken, its more obvious. You need to beat Act 4 atleast 11 times to get the Eyepatch.

But for Eren, its a little different. You don’t technically need to do Act 4 to get him, since hes available in Act 3, but the pity & chances are both way too low for an average player.

So how do we fix this issue? (My Suggestion):

I think that this pretty complex issue can be handled in two different ways. I’ll be listing both, but honestly, a combination of both would be great.

  1. Add more player-given ways to tweak difficulty.
  2. Focus on less annoying, but creative ways to make stages harder.
  3. Lack of Elemental Importance.
  4. Repetition.

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tall plinth
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For player tweaking difficulty, this is very simple and is seen in most TD games, even outside of Roblox. A great example is BTD6, with Impoppable, CHIMPS, etc. You can do stages at easier difficulties, but you get greater rewards and respect within the community and game itself if you beat CHIMPS on every stage, compared to Easy.

Adding something similar to AV would be great. For example, for Jeju Island, instead of just a Nightmare difficulty, make a “Extreme” or “Impossible” Difficulty option. Mobs would have more hp, move faster, the starting cards & buffing cards would be nerfed, more ant holes would spawn, bosses would have custom mechanics (like Beru flying, or copying other Bosses’ mechanics, etc.)

This ties into my second point aswell.

I think I can speak for 99% of the community that stuff like Depleted, Blindness, and Energy Drain… are not good mechanics. They feel very cheap to play against, since you have to use VSJW, Kaguya, etc. to counter them. Instead, I feel like more things like the pillars in Cid Raid should be added.

These are things that are player-controlled, yet still make the stage hard, and also counters the m word. I can still use my Monarch Aizen in Cid Act 2, but I’ll lose if I misclick the pillars. Meanwhile, in the DB Legend Stage, I can’t even use him, since he loses all of his damage.

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I think, personally, AV’s difficulty is flawed because of this reason. People aren’t mad at a stage being hard, but they ARE mad when their Monarch units become useless, because their meters hit zero, their damage hits zero, or their range hits zero. I know these all got hotfixed, but its still… pretty awful to play. -80% damage, & -50% range, and 0 meter, are still awful.

Also, I’d like to address something that was ALMOST addressed in 7.0. Elements, outside of portals & tournaments do not matter at all. Please give us extra DMG, or something in story & legend stages, if you use certain elements. This would mean normal stages, or atleast hard ones like EX, would need to have elements applied onto the enemies.

Just like Pokemon, where Fire does more DMG against nature enemies, etc. This is a very simple change, but it’d make running full fire units for example, and GETTING fire units more than just Choi & Yama, useful.

It’d also make it so team composition is important, so you don’t just spam Kaguya & VSJW on everything.

Lastly, I think another major problem is that, with these hard stages (like Byeken’s or Eren’s), you have to do it so many times. 11 atleast for Byeken, and at max 20 for Eren. This is… a lot of time, especially for harder stages that you might not be able to do consistently, because of RNG. If a stage is going to be hard, you can make it hard, just don’t make it as grindy as other things that are easier.

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TLDR:

Add more player-given ways to tweak difficulty. (Impossible/Insanity Modes)
Focus on less annoying, but creative ways to make stages harder. (Like CId's Towers)
Lack of Elemental Importance. (Pokemon DMG Bonuses)
Repetition. (Having to do a stage a ton of times even when its super hard)

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what the fuck 💀

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bro typed an essay

steady cloud
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DEAR GOD

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Imma read that

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u got it 💀

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We need more stars!

spiral peak
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Av players when they have to read

dense sage
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honestly the bigger problem is they make units that are reliant on other units from the update

stone crag
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catthink summarize it

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ill add a summary

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basically

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90% of the words are just examples

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#1384753257280438355 #1384234566855954575 #1387175586333589604 were all like 2.5k+

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810 too many ✌️

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hi

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write a 2k essay

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erm

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no thanks

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rn

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on why dandadan was the best update

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because it was

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yes you will

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✌️

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i hate writing essays

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make 10K

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on date a live update

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THE JJK SUGGESTION @stray delta

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otter be like him

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it was like

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70% done

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and then i stopped b/c i learned that

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70%!?

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well thats before i go back and shorten it

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i think every stage should be chimps

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to be fair

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especially if it has like

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a pity unit

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or like sjw

dense sage
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im uneducated

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add impossible to jeju, makes it super hard (requires monarchs and 4 peoples and actual team strategy) but it counts for like 5 kills per for the key

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something like that

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i mea

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mybe not 5

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but like 2-3

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Dang why do yall hate reading💔

steady cloud
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They should add EX to igris and yamamoto or however you spell it

stone crag
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due to short form content

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tldr at the bottom

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of the suggestion

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the whole thing

violet wharf
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gotta make elemental buffs unique in a way though

tranquil vector
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steady cloud
dense sage
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aight cool

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violet wharf
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adding the weather system from worldline would lowkey be the play for the elemental buffs?

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jk i love otter

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something like pokemon's way of doing it is easy to understand

tender flare
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Poor guy ts is not getting reactions even tho it’s very well thought outSob4k

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and adds the best way to make running full fire teams for example

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so

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i love the elemental system due to unbound criting cleanse

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#1398060447176986834 went from 20 -> 254 in like 2 hours

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yeah i get that but als already does that i think av wants be different

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lmao

tranquil vector
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displaying what the weather system does before you enter the map is also better instead of clicking stage info

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in the map

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My boy got the hardest battle scream

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i know als isnt the first to do elemental buffs but its gott abe different somehow

dense sage
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then its just slop no ?

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but

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Tbf i love him. Played on my ds back then

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And saw his Statue (never knew i could catch him)

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and yet the elements dont matter

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But he looked so bweautiful

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i would want to make a really cool and complex elemental system

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but

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Why only 9 stars damn

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people would flip

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if i wasnt on cd an hour ago it wouldve been great

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but

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i was

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😭

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if u could see whta the element does before you enter the map it would be so much better

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a big text of what it does would make it better and not seem too compilcated

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Wl is the closest thing to utilizing elemental shit although its the 50+ room tier

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unknown

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i mean

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wait

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element reactions is a huge list until u pick "only show what you need"

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do enemies even have elements

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no they dont

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in portals they do

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in als they do

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bro.

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they dont in normal modes

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ive been playing WAY too much als

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hold on let me fix that

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let me just

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fix that

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fixed

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wdym i didnt know enemies had elements

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i knew the whole time

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dense sage
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im grinding for mihawk while looking at suggestions

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peak gameplay

steady cloud
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peak and slightly less peak

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ngl im grinding rrs to roll on shanks

dense sage
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i dont have frieren yet and hes the only nature unit thats good thats slightly accesible for a full avatar team

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1 glitched and its on bulma

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yeah

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ts flopped

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bump

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The element thing

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Would just make kaguya even stronger Sob4k Sob4k

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Since she has any element you want her to have

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very fair

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dense sage
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kaguya is fundamentally an insanely good unit

dense sage
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cause in worldlines its like that too

arctic owl
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In worldliness

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didnt even realize that was a thing

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Kaguya is so dumb in worldlines

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Because you can get debuffed and buffed at the same time

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Which is why it’s fair

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Since the farm units are passion and most stages nerf passion

dense sage
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her elements work in worldlines?

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ic

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i thought it didnt

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saint what about the other 3 points

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cause when i tried it it didnt work

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besides the element one

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in worldline atleast

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I agree with the rest

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I enjoyed the cid raid a lot

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Since you had to think a bit

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yeah

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much better than him just having like 200m hp

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😭

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I also liked what they did with 7.0

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You can grind the evo mats for the new units with ur previous units

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And use the new ones to destroy the new stage

dense sage
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i did that with lfelt

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I just hate that you need a lot of gems which is annoying to grind without the famous M word

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i had enough gems for everyone

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I’m like 3 pity in and not a single one

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but i dont really collect units for index

dense sage
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off topic but ive spent like 1.4m gems and no alucard

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i was gonna try to gewt him shiny but i cant even get him normal

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dense sage
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how many avatars am i gonna get before i get a single glitched

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I ain't reading allat

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the tldr yoru 🥀

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but yeah if they want to make stages harder there could have make new difficulty

cold yew
lyric arch
dense sage
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i can see it

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They could have a difficulty that removes traits n buff npc if they really want to make the stage harder

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but with more rewardd

cold yew
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This level of cope is unseen

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so it's really rewarding for ppl who play that mode

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im actually gonna go back and clean up some stuff

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shortened it a little

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i think this one isnt getting a lot since 2 of the suggestions have like 20 people typing in each rn

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bump

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Man what’s the cd to posting suggestions Sob4k

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bump

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fr bro

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the idea itself is actually pretty good

tall plinth
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thats literally what happened to me

tall plinth
dense sage
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i doubt they're still looking at suggestions

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fucking cd bro

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😭

dense sage
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the devs tell you to add suggestions and next upd they only add 1 or 2 of them and they the ones that not even good

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Bump

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byeken's stage is bad since you have to use monarch

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thats a way to speed up vsjw's quest

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meaning they can powercreep him since he wouldnt take 26 hours to get

solid tree
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rahh

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holy stop yapping so much 😭

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lowk that didnt even need a buff

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im talking to myself atp

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dense sage
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pochita would make a really good questline vanguard tho

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Even end game players have too little monarchs If they just get unlucky. 7000k rrs 3 monarchs btw Despairge (my account hasn't progressed in 3 months.). Also one of my friends where thinking about quitting at some point because of how unlucky he was getting.

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rip

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im starting to thing monarch isnt real anymore

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More than saying that you've played from release I need to know how many rrs you've used.

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bro

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2 hard pitys Ic either way you shouldn't get punished for getting unlucky. Every other gacha game has what I'm talking about, besides this one.

dense sage
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my friend got monarch on jinwoo and he hasnt played since

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theg ame just loves new players or hates old players

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My friend got monarch valentine when he started XD

dense sage
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i only have him for the cosmetic

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didnt get diego when i got the chance

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His DPS as a monarch is lower than a rem with no trait XD

dense sage
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so now im forced to use valentine 🥲

sick hinge
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Yeah either way stop punishing unlucky players let me out grind luck.

dense sage
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honestly lower the pity to 1

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everybody shoulld have monarch

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Nah but 1k ye

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It's fair

dense sage
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they should atleast make 4x rrs luck like als and during the weekend pities are removed for the 4x luck

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0.4 for monarch seems pretty balanced

sick hinge
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I mean idk about that

uneven harbor
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guys

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what if

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Lowering hard pity is enough

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they added something that boosted a units element

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sick hinge
uneven harbor
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Do you mean dmg multiplier?

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like if nature wtv

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you use smth

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and every 10th hit

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it repulses

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or it has a chance to repulse each hit

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like relics?

uneven harbor
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i forgot which game had relics but i know one td game has it

sick hinge
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This game already has relics basically

dense sage
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the familiars are just pets

sick hinge
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But ye it would be nice to see those give you an effect on your unit

dense sage
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relics would work like souls in als basically

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Like a slow on top of a buffer would be cool

dense sage
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if they wanna make the game strategic it would actually kinda work

sick hinge
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Also never make a nuke cost 450k

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(the rumbling)

dense sage
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needing a specific upg to use it and its already there

sick hinge
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Why didn't they make the rumbling a cutscene?

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That would be peak

dense sage
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probably wouldnt work that much

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cause if you use it in a crowded map it would just look weird

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or a tiny map like the gg legend stage

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but yah it would look cool

frosty bison
viral notch
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holy 😭

tall plinth
tranquil vector
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Ppl gonna come

finite crater
dense sage
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full eth team vs full monarch team

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monarch looks better

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inner lance
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Bump

zinc cypress
# tall plinth I think, personally, AV’s difficulty is flawed because of this reason. People ar...

W suggestion, while i keep fighting for stuff like viability of the aot units, it is impossible to deny just vsjw/kaguya turbo curbstomps most game content, hell ive seen clips of people solo'ing the ex stage with just a kaguya and bleed unit.

I also don't know how this game expects you to beat worldline 50 without an unknown unit since there is no way to counteract powerdrain + infinite tsukuyomi with the unbound units available to you. now while depleter and blindness are very easy to play around if you have an aladdin, a new player shouldnt have to be told to bring an unknown unit who can just brute force through both of these modifiers anyway. i will say moving depleter to the reiss titan was the smart choice, because without aladdin its effectively impossible to consistently counter. honestly if dizzy didnt need to use meter to clense i feel like all most drama against depleter wouldnt have merit 😭

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elements do need a rework, i like the idea but a lot of elements js have the samer global reaction anyway like holy

soft creek
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i agree with the repetition 🙏

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if they wanna keep challenging stages hard then make it so u dont gotta do it like 75 times to hit pity or something

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Type disadvantages work well in games like als or awtd because you have infinite resources to use

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In a game like vanguards where an average player probably gets a monarch like once every 2 or 3 updates

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I dont see a type chart going well

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It can work in some modes

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For example i think portals

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But in most gamemodes i dont think it should be present

midnight iris
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I love the idea

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and some of the modifiers are just unfun to play against

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guess what another bump

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bump ts

nocturne shore
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this guy always cooks 😭 🙏🏻

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bump

hardy spire
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I think the issue is just dumb modifiers like energy drain and not kaguya or vsjw themselves.

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bump

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W opinion

main herald
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Bruh did they change life drain and the thing the lowers range it still sucks dawg bro remove those they are awful come on what is the difference between 0dmg and 30k dmg against a 2m boss this devs are smoking

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Jumping

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the issue is it’s very hard for a new player, even coming up to late game, to jam into EX stages

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I’ll admit with eren’s it’s less of a problem, but with how high act 3’s pity is, it’s kind of required for 2 erens to play EX

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is our top priority

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Bro have bump all the day

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cold yew
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@dense sage there is no way

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your avatar grimjaw has a use

dense sage
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grimjow gonna be godly

cold yew
dense sage
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i was just joking

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did brandon listen to me

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gang.

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love your suggestions but

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I can’t keep reading goddamn essays

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keep reading 🗣️

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theres a tldr too

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onyx trellis
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A update 4.0 unit can solo it with the help of Ymir? (Ichigo)

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And you can do it with aot units

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tbf the ex stage is still pretty hard, a lot of people wont grind for eren, ymir is also a secret unit thats hard to figure out for newer players

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its not as bad as byekens

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hold on i gotta refresh what i even said for that

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ah

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i included it because its a ton of attempts & that its just boring difficulty tbh

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its just do dmg

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astral axle
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Bump but like I wont read all that but it must have a very dedicated opinion to type so much words. Respecta_sip KannaHeart

tall plinth
fierce wedge
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@tall plinth Another W Suggestion

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I'm glad both of your posts on Traits and Hard Modes are getting higher bumps

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real

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mainly this 1

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the trait one did rly well

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scenic hare
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i even wanted to make a suggestion like this

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they NEED to give us more options on how to play

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yeah

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and its not even like an als copy

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i swear you add anything that als has it has to be a copy to these people

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earnest rapids
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hmm nice opinion 👍

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the trait rework suggestion got deleted if anyone's curious on what happened to that

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Alright

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Ts is fire invincible variant have another star

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Bump + Sneak of what I'm working on next!

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Hopefully He climbs Jakobs ladder

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My next suggestion will be for Fire Force! Popular anime that I know a decent amount about (not everything, so expect their to be some mistakes sorry) and that can actually be done! (seen by Hebano)

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