#My Trait System Rework Suggestion

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left minnow
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relative to monarch

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slightly worse but more common

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and u keep the cost effectiveness

patent phoenix
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there'd be no point to go for sovereign over monarch tho

left minnow
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its not abt that

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if ur low on rrs

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and rolling on a new unit

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if u get sov u can settle for it

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instead of being forced to go for monarch

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its like how als has overlord and avatar

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yes glitched is better, but the other two (mainly avatar) are relative and more common

valid lichen
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Yes

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Otter n me gets it

fierce robin
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Talking about traits that make it easier to get familiar traits or at least in greater quantities 😭

patent phoenix
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hmhmmhhm

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yea youre probably right

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what i was writing was stupid and only applied to inf 😭

toxic echo
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Well mods are hiding

proud narwhal
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bump & #1398161392867213412

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@valid lichen GO!

toxic echo
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🐢

proud narwhal
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sjw so goated

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❤️

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bump

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bump

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bump

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bump

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keep it alive men

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bump

lavish thicket
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bumpy

proud narwhal
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bump

lavish thicket
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sir yes sir

proud narwhal
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b ump

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bump

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bump

golden swallow
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best way they can fix monarch is just add a a trait that makes the unit a one placement and combine the units damage you dont get the 300% so your not gonna get any buffs

proud narwhal
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maybe

tacit flint
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to indirectly nerf monarch

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only took a bit of brainstorming and braindamage

golden swallow
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soo

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??
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young steppe
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this is very controversial tho a lot of ppl chased monarch on virgil and adding another trait thats practically better than monarch would piss some if not a lot of players off

golden swallow
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yeah

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thats why my idea is good

tacit flint
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which is why you find a in direct way to buff all traits and nerf monarch while keeping it the strongest trait in the game

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ofc factoring in peoples grind

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etc

proud narwhal
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you cannot beat monarch's cost efficiency unless you add that to a trait

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like shifter is still < monarch, but its > than ethereal for those units

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atleast its supposed to be, numbers ofc arent balanced properly since im not a dev & dont know exactly

analog ice
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These are all ideas that would make good sub traits

young steppe
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hell nah we alr got a monarch problem i doubt theyll be adding double traits

analog ice
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I don't even know what happened to sub traits tho icl

analog ice
young steppe
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we never had sub traits brah

crystal coyote
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I thinks that not bad just need balanced and maybe other option
Or just they can make trait easier to gain but for grinder that just not possible to make this due to the amout tha can be win in a week

rancid flare
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whyd it get deleted

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nvm im js lagging

proud narwhal
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bump

gray tusk
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oni chan

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@proud narwhal what u think of vanguard units as a whole

proud narwhal
gray tusk
proud narwhal
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bump

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Bump

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Bump

proud narwhal
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Bump

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Almost 300

proud narwhal
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Bump

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Bump

wheat oracle
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just give up

proud narwhal
proud narwhal
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Bum

limpid estuary
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BRO hired this man pls

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win post

narrow ruin
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we need trait for meters and summons 🙏

limpid estuary
urban blaze
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Really good idea but we all know what the devs gonna say

novel salmon
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Sovereign feels like a slap more then a trait ngl

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You think ppl would take less damege

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For thier units

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Ppl who try ot be comparative aren't gonna like this much

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It maybe a good trait for new players to get

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And help them carry in story and raids

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But other the that it's useless

proud narwhal
radiant orbit
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yeah

proud narwhal
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if I get sovereign it’d be good enough to keep

radiant orbit
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most of the games players are f2p

proud narwhal
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like avatar or overlord in ALS

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and that

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it takes like 3-4 weeks to hit pity on a unit for monarch

novel salmon
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I mean I did say that

proud narwhal
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there’s like

novel salmon
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But it gonna suck most of the time

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When the players wanna go pro

radiant orbit
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beo

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bro

novel salmon
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Tournament lb runs ex stages

proud narwhal
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and that’s when they go for a premium trait like monarch yeah

novel salmon
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All the end game stuff

radiant orbit
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if you have 1 rr left and u have soverign

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will you spin on it

proud narwhal
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and that

radiant orbit
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obv no

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that 1 rr on somebody else

proud narwhal
novel salmon
radiant orbit
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what

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im legit explaining this to u

late crest
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They gna hve to like dbl trait obtainment for this lol

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Bump tho

proud narwhal
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Bump

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Womp

limpid estuary
floral tartan
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Bump

proud narwhal
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💔

limpid estuary
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do u want to hear their thought

proud narwhal
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#1398161392867213412 shameless plug go

limpid estuary
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i made the post just bc of how good ur suggestion was T_T

floral tartan
proud narwhal
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Up

proud narwhal
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Bump

terse bolt
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Honestly would work better as something similar to artifacts rather than traits imo but a good suggestion all around

novel salmon
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@proud narwhal

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Can we make sovereign a 2 two placement

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With 150% each

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?

limpid estuary
wind dew
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the concepts are right, but the buffs are to overpowered, id prefer to rework the already current traits in the game, for example, solar gives 30% dot increase, ethereal buffs 30% dmg and 25% cooldown and deadeye could buff a little range by 10-15%

limpid estuary
wind dew
opaque terrace
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Best suggestion ever

limpid estuary
wind dew
limpid estuary
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ye but the whole point of playing this game is to see my unit actually good

proud narwhal
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Bump

zealous cliff
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I love this idea, monarch rn is really unbalanced but adding traits that are required for different units like summoners, and dot units,supports seems fun

And I like the idea of a trait Wich is a watered down monarch,I have so many eatherials and every time I look at them I'm thinking, that could have been a monarch bc the chances are almost the same

Also technically av already has this, it's called deadeye, it shines for units that have good crit like Dante , and that's why so many people liked him, u didn't need monarch to make him good,
This new trait system would also add a new layer of gameplay

Tbh sub traits wouldn't be bad either. Maybe like enchantments like als

kindred dawn
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1 placement limit units are cooked w this trait system 😭

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dont get why devs even put it like that

trim heath
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Because the original devs just wanted an AA copy

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And there’s no way to change things now

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So make the banner vanguards 1 placement, let the people have their fun in traited content that isn’t balanced around it, while making those units WAY less dominant in traitless content

hallow verge
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i agree with adding new traits (i made a suggestion like this before), but adding more traits means the chances/odds have to be changed

proud narwhal
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well yeah, you could just take from like vigor and range to

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tho

tight quest
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For specific units some of these traits would be a must have

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But overall for pure numbers, Ethereal and Monarch would be the best general traits

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I think that's how the Trait system should change to

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That's why I never liked Familiars

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Yeah they help a small group of units but the amount of grind you would have to do to get the best rolls is insane

paper pewter
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Is it just me, but do already existent traits besides monarch feel useless? Like the amount of difference it makes if you have monarch is huge, but the difference between traitless and at best ethereal feels nonexistent outside infinite mode.

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While adding more traits for specific units seems cool, they'd need to compete with monarch - or at least have almost as big of an effect as monarch does (Like dante + deadeye). If not it would be ethereal all over again aka infinite meta

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And 90% of the game is 15-20 waves.

glacial ruin
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this is great ⭐

left minnow
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bad suggestion!! no 0.003% trait!?

proud narwhal
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new trait called Bugged 0.0003%

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!

left minnow
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so anime vanguard?

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haha get it

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the joke is that

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the game has bugs

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so

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so

proud narwhal
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like

toxic jewel
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correct me if im wrong because i dont really understand how it all works anyways, but wouldnt making the trait pool bigger make the other traits rarer?

radiant orbit
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uh

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that wouldnt really matter

toxic jewel
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you think?

radiant orbit
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what

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wdym i think

toxic jewel
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idk, imo people would still go for monarch over most of these

tight quest
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The point is to create more diversity

toxic jewel
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guess so, but my question is, wouldnt this make it harder to get X trait?

lavish thicket
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variety is good

tight quest
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There's trait pity

toxic jewel
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yeah but i wouldnt want to get to pity everytime

lavish thicket
tight quest
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Ofc not

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But knowing that it's there makes it much more reassuring

toxic jewel
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ehh

tight quest
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That's why it's an insurance measure

toxic jewel
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i mean yeah

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guess so

tight quest
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Worst Case Scenario you'd rather spend max 1K RR's than before 5K

toxic jewel
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but im not getting 1500 in any less than 2 or 3 weeks

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but i think the traits are good

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in this sug i mean

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its just that i hope if they added more traits they would also add more ways to get trait rerolls

last summit
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why go out of your way to make "rework" if ur just gonna add back the reason people wanted the rework, dont add a trait that's nerfed but still locks the unit to 1 placement

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monarch - sovereign 💔

toxic jewel
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i didnt really like that one either

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just a worse monarch

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but i understand why it got suggested

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so 🤷

last summit
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reused slop from other games

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sugarcoated and called a rework

tight quest
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You're dumb

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What would you do then?

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Like yeah Sovereign isn't good

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But the other traits are good as well

left minnow
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monarch being very good and hard to get?

toxic jewel
tight quest
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I already said Sovereign isn't good

last summit
tight quest
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But the rest of the traits are literally good

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Then Tempest wants to say this entire thing is ass

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Like what?

left minnow
obtuse scarab
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Bad suggestion keep the traits as they are its really hard to rework them cuz whay about thr units you alr got traits on

left minnow
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they cant remove monarch

last summit
tight quest
last summit
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monarch ruins the game design they want

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which is strategy

left minnow
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but they can add other traits and make then compete with monarch

last summit
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making a trait that's the same is just kinda stupid

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and they can remove monarch

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if they really wanted

left minnow
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u dont get it bro

tight quest
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He doesn't

left minnow
last summit
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tell me one reason they couldnt

left minnow
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are u being fr

last summit
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go on

late crest
tight quest
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Obviously they can but it definitely wouldn't be a good idea to

left minnow
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do you know how much money people have spent to get it?

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and all the hours of grinding

last summit
left minnow
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u cant be serious surely?

left minnow
tight quest
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NO ONE is being forced to spend money

toxic jewel
left minnow
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im just gonna ignore your opinions

last summit
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following tos if a product or gamepass you bought gets deleted or changed, you as a player cannot do anything about it

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none of your points make any sense

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because you're all incompetent

tight quest
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@last summit Yo yo stop talking

late crest
left minnow
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itll kill rhe game

tight quest
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You're stupid

left minnow
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instantly

late crest
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Nag hwy etc

last summit
toxic jewel
last summit
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its up to them

toxic jewel
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0/10 ragebait

last summit
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call it bait

left minnow
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terrible bro

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😭

last summit
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you just don't understand proper game design

late crest
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Nvr recover

tight quest
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I been told y'all to ignore Tempest, he's actually braindead

left minnow
last summit
left minnow
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nice man nice

last summit
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the point was

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not what would happen

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but if they could

left minnow
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dumb

toxic jewel
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that wasnt the point then

left minnow
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💔

last summit
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you're all pretty dumb

left minnow
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ironic

tight quest
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Tempest obviously the Dev team can do whatever they want but if it's a bad idea why would they do it

toxic jewel
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they might as well delete the game because they can 🤷

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yup

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thats the way to go

left minnow
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fr

last summit
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for example

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what eren did

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wasn't good

toxic jewel
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?

left minnow
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bro

last summit
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but he still did it for the better

left minnow
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LMAOO

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this guy isnt real

tight quest
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LMAO

last summit
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the game is in a terrible state

tight quest
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Yeah my fault

left minnow
last summit
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make it better

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in a world where monarch didn't exist

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and traits were actually unique and fun

left minnow
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the issue is that the players arent happy

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so implement something to make them even more unhappy

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ok bro

toxic jewel
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unique? brooooooo that was such agoated trait add that one

last summit
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no

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unique started the whole trend of 1 placement traits

tight quest
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You actually can still have both unique traits that benefit units and then pure stat traits

last summit
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other td games followed up on that

tight quest
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Outside of Sovereign, FlexZ literally came up with good different traits

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Regardless of where they came from

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Like are we just gonna ignore that?

last summit
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yes

tight quest
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Wow

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This conversation is done

toxic jewel
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lol

last summit
toxic jewel
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why he ourple 🤣

last summit
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you call anything you dont quite understand bait

tight quest
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Nah nah fam I apoligize for my outburst you're genuine dumb

last summit
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you're both as equally as incompetent

toxic jewel
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lmao

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sure buddy

last summit
toxic jewel
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have a nice day

tight quest
last summit
toxic jewel
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?

proud narwhal
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didnt this guy want to remove monarch and hes calling my suggestion bad

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💔

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sovereign was added because its supposed to be an intermediary point to get monarch

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also "adding slop from other games" like atds arent all just mismatches of other games

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worse versions of better stuff is not a novel concept exclusive to ALS

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even if sovereign is like avatar

gray quiver
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i feel like adding up more traits wont fix the issue, but that's just my opinion

proud narwhal
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bump

trim heath
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Thinking the solution is as simple as "just remove monarch, it's your game lol" is incredibly shortsighted

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I'm pretty sure I could see farther just looking down a pringles can Sob4k

split bolt
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i don't see the need to rework traits

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it's too late

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and this won't fix the current issue?

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so dont fix something that isnt broken yet

narrow ruin
# split bolt i don't see the need to rework traits

Maybe slight change could be usefull, but (ithink) we need more situational traits; changing all better traits could change units usability and force players to roll on them ones more for more suitalbe traits

proud narwhal
eager wadi
proud narwhal
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bump

proud narwhal
proud narwhal
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bump

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bump

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bump

radiant orbit
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no matter what suggestion some people will be mad

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game cant be perfect neither the suggestions

proud narwhal
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yeah

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ofc like some of the ideas arent too balanced, but its just a rough concept

proud narwhal
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bump

proud narwhal
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bump

sweet pendant
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Owowowowowo I love your suggestions bro keep cooking 🌹🌹

proud narwhal
limpid estuary
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if a suggestion with this much support, vote and they still manage not to listen then the game is cooked

proud narwhal
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honestly i fully expect this not to get added since they dont like changing traits

tacit flint
proud narwhal
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which is fair to an extent, monarch is def a problem

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but

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idk

tacit flint
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i think the only trait that genuinly needs changing is

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Scholar

proud narwhal
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maybe they'll start changing more aggressively now that the ccu is kind of falling off

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atleast thats what i hope

tacit flint
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top 3 most useless traits oat

sweet pendant
tacit flint
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im sure no one is gonna complain about a scholar rework

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make it the buffer trait

sweet pendant
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I mean what are

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Y'know that's pretty good

limpid estuary
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i think the main reason with the ccu falling off is bc the grind is not worth

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the new units are too weak compared to one we already haf

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had

tacit flint
limpid estuary
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so there must be something to make it up by familiar/ better trait/ relic or something similar

proud narwhal
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bump

sweet pendant
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Didn't they say 7.5 will finally have a noticeable powercreep

proud narwhal
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escanor will do 1 escanor damage

worthy mortar
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they gonna make escanor suck im telling ya

narrow ruin
sweet pendant
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Do not jinx that shit

sweet pendant
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Why is my 1 wide

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What the fuck

novel ridge
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what if they make evo's for rare - legendary units so theres more variety winwin🔥🔥🥸

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and glitched trait

sweet pendant
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Nuh uh

novel ridge
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1000% more damage

narrow ruin
novel ridge
narrow ruin
high spear
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Nice suggestion

proud narwhal
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tysm guys

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novel ridge
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when 500m robux giveaway

limpid estuary
tacit flint
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if thats what your posts gonna be about

proud narwhal
limpid estuary
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its like a 1 time solution

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wont lead to anywhere

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then what abt upd 8

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8.5

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9

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they cant just make it all op or better than the previous update

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but if they wait 2-3 then release upd with a good unit then isnt it what they are doing rn

sleek cosmos
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:/

limpid estuary
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thats i what im saying

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power creep of a SINGLE unit wont do sh

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there are better solutions

sleek cosmos
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They are adding pity for vangaurds

proud narwhal
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chainsaw man update for 9.0
denji has 1 devillion damage
makima can make bosses her summons
darkness devil 1 shots the entire map every attack

peak ideas all around

limpid estuary
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look at cid

sleek cosmos
limpid estuary
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they said they wont make him bad

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and now only useable in inf

sleek cosmos
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And can be used in any gamemode

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He is just better suited for inf

rigid pelican
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was said by devs

limpid estuary
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u have to admitted noone want to USE him

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when there are better options

idle mirage
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Why does this suggestion has 500 upvotes i didn't think 500 people even look at suggestions

sleek cosmos
limpid estuary
sleek cosmos
idle mirage
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Nah i didn't say it was bad

sleek cosmos
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But it's not going to be added since they said they aren't making any changes to the traits, it's going to throw the whole game off

idle mirage
sleek cosmos
lucid axle
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modifiers especially, it doesnt require startegy it just means you cant use the units you want to beat the stage

idle mirage
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i would argue we need a solar rework because it has no place in the meta

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like i can see blitz or marksman being useful and i can see deadeye and etheral being usefull

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but solar will always just like

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be there

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idk

sweet pendant
lucid axle
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buff ethereal and nerf monarch so it it makes unit cost a bit more money similar to all star in astdx or make it only a 200-250% bonus damage or somethign

idle mirage
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"Yes lets just make monarchs a nerf"

high spear
lucid axle
idle mirage
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we just need infinite content

tacit flint
high spear
high spear
idle mirage
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Monarchs are tottaly a dmg reduction from etheral on almost every character they just cost less so they are bette for most of the stages in the game right now if the devs just add infinite content then monarch suddenly won't be as good because u have enough money to max all of your farms

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anyway i explaind ts in my suggestion there is no reason to nerf monarch or buff anything else just make diverse gamemode that require different traits

lucid axle
idle mirage
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i did it 50 too many times

lucid axle
high spear
idle mirage
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Anyway to solve the moarch problem this is my idea #1398137036069933167 go read if interested

lucid axle
idle mirage
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i basically elaborated on what i said earlier

idle mirage
proud narwhal
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if theres any overlap its honestly just because they probably have similar systems

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(dot, summons, units relying on multiple placements, etc.)

turbid nimbus
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Honestly

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Fire suggestion

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However sovereign is sort of useless 😭

proud narwhal
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its a good bridge trait between monarch imo

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like

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if i roll sov on my kaguya

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and have 15 rrs left

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then i go spin on something else

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for example

turbid nimbus
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I mean true but

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If I get sovereign when monarch is right there I’m gonna explode

idle mirage
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idk we just gotta rework solar

turbid nimbus
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Real

idle mirage
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cuz tell me 1 thing solar does better then others

boreal hamlet
olive wind
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To much fluff don’t care 🫩

turbid nimbus
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Solar actually needs to be reworked

idle mirage
proud narwhal
olive wind
proud narwhal
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most of it is examples & explaining

boreal hamlet
proud narwhal
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but its also like

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650 words

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💔

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rly not that much

olive wind
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Holy yap

boreal hamlet
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av players biggest fear is reading

proud narwhal
idle mirage
proud narwhal
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if you want long form look at any of my unit suggestions

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they're all like

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2-3k+ word

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s

boreal hamlet
turbid nimbus
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yo

idle mirage
turbid nimbus
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How do I jump to top on mobile

olive wind
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But a solar rework could be increasing fire dmg or burn dot

idle mirage
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wait ima make a solar rework suggestion

turbid nimbus
turbid nimbus
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goated

proud narwhal
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. if u need to jump

boreal hamlet
boreal hamlet
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image giselle

proud narwhal
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its +1 (used to be 2x) but that was a concern i had

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its kind of unavoidable but as they power creep it shouldnt matter too much

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also its a rare trait to spin a lot of times on rare units for examples

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it was mainly meant for stuff like eren, rimuru, and ragnaw

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bump

idle mirage
proud narwhal
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womp

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509-33 is pretty good, thought this suggestion was gonna flop tbh

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psyeph carried

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!

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yapyapyap

royal rose
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why is duplicative more expensive 💔

royal rose
proud narwhal
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thats the main usecase for it

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bump

tame forum
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am i missing something

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you said ” less dmg ”

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but all rimuru does is dps so why would you want this

proud narwhal
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uhh

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i meant like

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it gives less dmg

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on the trait

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like -10% i think is what it is

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that trait has been changed like 25 times ngl and that was at the very very start of it

tame forum
proud narwhal
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it was like

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2x placement

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250% cost

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-50% dmg

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or something dumb

royal rose
tame forum
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if rimuru does nothing dps

royal rose
royal rose
idle mirage
royal rose
idle mirage
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idk what u on about but he beats most units in terms of raw dps

idle mirage
royal rose
idle mirage
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Yea well u see what he can do

proud narwhal
royal rose
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yuh and that duplicative trait on him would go insane cause the prices among his placement

idle mirage
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and maxing 4 of him is as cheap as maxing 1 monarch

proud narwhal
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its just so its not overly broken

royal rose
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would go down even further

idle mirage
royal rose
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maxing 6 of him with the trait would be even cheaper than normal i think

idle mirage
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but that would be too broken

royal rose
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yeah

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this is a problem

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i think shifter’s buffs are too much btw

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+50% DMG for cid’s nuke upon switching? a bit much imo it should be 30%

tame forum
proud narwhal
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mybe, they're really just ideas honestly, i didnt overly think about balance but i tried to keep them as balanced as possible

proud narwhal
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like

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actually ig that would be +50% for his nuke

royal rose
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nono his swap nuke

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ik what youre talking about

proud narwhal
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does he get range or dmg when he swaps to lord of shadow

tame forum
proud narwhal
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i forgot

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i thought he got dmg when he swapped to john

idle mirage
royal rose
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when he switches to cid

idle mirage
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i said that his dps wasn't bad

royal rose
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he nukes his rng

proud narwhal
tame forum
proud narwhal
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ohhh

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that

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i meant like

royal rose
proud narwhal
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the dmg & range bonus

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he gets

royal rose
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DAMN THATS A LOTTA DMG

idle mirage
tame forum
royal rose
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rimuru is so goddamn cheap

tame forum
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even without my correction that still doesn’t say rimuru has no dps , it doesn’t even make sense

idle mirage
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ahh

royal rose
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more placements makes him cheaper

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just makes him a cheap unit with good dps

idle mirage
royal palm
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513 stars shockedcat

royal rose
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plus him alone maybe isnt that great but with 6 of him

tame forum
royal rose
idle mirage
proud narwhal
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🥀

royal rose
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78k yen for full aoe 40k dps AT LEAST

proud narwhal
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the people yearn for more traits

tame forum
royal rose
tame forum
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nobody cares about traitless 😭✌️

royal palm
tame forum
royal rose
royal palm
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dude i had to use yhwach in a water weather in wl

royal rose
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ehh hes still pretty good

tame forum
royal palm
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rimuru is that good?Sob4k

royal rose
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hes convenient

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his sage thingy is a pain in the ass to use though

royal palm
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no immunity and only cheap if you alr maxed out 2 of 4

tame forum
idle mirage
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Rimuru is good idk he is just a free monarch unit

tame forum
royal palm
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ye rimuru is good but top of the meta? hell nah

idle mirage
# tame forum ?

His dps is equal to or grater then monarch for almost the same price as a monarch

royal rose
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hes still in meta in all tier lists i think

idle mirage
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unless you go for the best dps out there

tame forum
royal palm
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meta tournament just not wl

royal rose
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yeah so he IS good

royal palm
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i confirm rimuru is ass in wl traitless even he has water buff

royal rose
idle mirage
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I confirm he's great and he carried through most of it

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idk wdym

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he's even semi immune to dmg debuffs

tame forum
royal palm
idle mirage
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because gets 2.2x dmg even after nerfs he still has enough dps to actually kill enemies in worldlines

royal rose
tame forum
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bro has no immunities

idle mirage
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because he buffs himself for 120%

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220%

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**

royal rose
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water element

tame forum
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stun etc

proud narwhal
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bump

royal palm
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yhwach gonna go wild if duplicate gonna added

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600k dmg full aoe the entire map

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that sounds balanced isnt it

tame forum
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more yhwach upscale

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yhwach glazers pmo bro

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anyway this suggestion not getting added devs r too lazy and will complain about balancing issues ✌️

proud narwhal
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its good for units like aot

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but it makes yhwach even more op

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even if its only 1 extra slot

sweet pendant
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Shifter + a 100%+ Black Spirit

proud narwhal
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yeahh

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some of the traits arent balanced

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but

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it was mainly the concept i was going for

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  • they're going to powerscale harder probably so making traits good enough on units without having to get monarch is good
sweet pendant
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Cid is just gonna pulverize people every 2 attacks

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it's so peak

dapper tulip
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bump

proud narwhal
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bump

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bump

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bump

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bump

tacit flax
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500 stars

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never seen a suggestion in this channel reach that much

proud narwhal
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the people want more traits 🗣️

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i honestly think what happened was that pyseph posted in #「📣」sub-announcements to look/make suggestions, and mine was at the top since i bump shit like crazy 😭

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it went from like

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20 to 254 in like 10m

tacit flint
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It never got added too lol

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1k upvotes to be ignored

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Poor guy coped every day

proud narwhal
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bump

quaint tulip
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How can i scroll to the very top

proud narwhal
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,

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@quaint tulip

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bump

topaz mural
midnight nest
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Traits are good but if I got the wrong traits on the wrong unit it feels so frustrating like getting the monarch on sprintwagon also familiar lose most of its purpose

proud narwhal
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blimpblimp

proud narwhal
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bop

proud narwhal
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bump

proud narwhal
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bump

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Bump

wise gale
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wouldnt making these traits kinda screw over people who already rolled previous units?

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for example vsjw, people who went for deadeye, now if they add this summon buff trait then everyone basically just wasted their rr

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especially if they specifically went for monarch and now this new trait is better than monarch for this unit now

proud narwhal
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none of the traits would be better than monarch if it had proper balance, but it’d help close the gap between players feeling helpless without having monarch on a unit

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Bump

proud narwhal
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Bump

proud narwhal
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Bump

cobalt crown
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i really like this suggestion more so the ideas behind your traits if they were balanced properly i could genuinely see them being added and being a enjoyed change i do agree with what @midnight nest a bit above these messages its like getting monarch on speedwagon these seem unit specific to a degree so getting these rare traits on a unit that doesnt pair too well with them might be a bit disappointing but the traits are pretty creative so imma ⭐

hot spindle
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i love monarchs

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atp in game im just waiting for more meta units to release to monarch them

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i like monarch bc is a must have goal

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basically all 3 placements without a anti monarch mechanic are better with it

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and obviously all 2-1 placements are better with monarch, except for full support units like astolfo

eager wadi
dark lance
hot spindle
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but choy now is bad as a whole

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bc enemies speed on infinite does scale with waves

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so choy cant do his job as burn demon

dark lance
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Idk I like DOT enemies in tower defences

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Crit too

opaque terrace
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bump

umbral torrent
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I thought the game didn't need more traits 💔🥀

hot spindle
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it doesnt

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devs said that they arent adding more traits

tight quest
gray quiver
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i wouldnt be probably playing if i didnt have monarch ywach

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he makes grind somewhat bearable

tight quest
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What content are you doing where traitless is torture?

gray quiver
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the stages with traitless in mind are okay

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like boss rush

gray quiver
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any new content i guess?

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also it sucks some mechanics are so annoying that you must bring a character

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since release of regeneration i've been using lancer non stop

tight quest
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If you're talking about stages like EX that's a seperate issue

gray quiver
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i am not doing strategy on portals

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when i have to do 1k of them for pity

tight quest
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Okay I understand Portals, that's real

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Anything else?

gray quiver
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hmm cid raids i guess

tight quest
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?

gray quiver
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but i dont do them because of how boring it is

tight quest
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No that's a lie

gray quiver
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?

tight quest
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If you want a fast clear sure

gray quiver
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but dont you get that the problem is you need traits for convenience

tight quest
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But it's a Raid though

gray quiver
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not to mention handcuffs bs

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doing solo is like torturing yourself

tight quest
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I don't see how it's torture outside of the handcuffs

deep belfry
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tbh they should add x2 coins on weekends on portals so who actually farm those get more cuz 1k portals for pity is WAY too much for someone dont leech like 24 hours a day

gray quiver
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i didnt bother doing cid raid after getting cid

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even though shop had ton of stuff

deep belfry
gray quiver
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cool gimmick and all but having to pay attention all time

split bolt
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greedy lol

gray quiver
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is just exhausting

split bolt
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you already earn 3m per week

shell pewter
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having a pity already is a bless

split bolt
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and 3m is enough for the pity

gray quiver
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i am fine with vanguards on questline

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i dont like banner ones

deep belfry
tight quest
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Bro you only pay attention for two number counts what?

split bolt
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developers can use this as a excuse

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to not add it

gray quiver
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bring specific units

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to not die to cage

tight quest
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What did I say about the Handcuffs

gray quiver
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there is more than just atomic

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like bro

split bolt
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and its not their fault u dont want use the spring units or the skins..

deep belfry
tight quest
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I already said it's annoying as well

gray quiver
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you have to pay attention

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at all time

split bolt
gray quiver
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its not only handcuffs and atomic

split bolt
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you have a month or so to get her

gray quiver
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you have to set units

split bolt
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you're not forced to grind it 24/7

tight quest
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It literally is

gray quiver
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make sure you dont dmg cid early on

split bolt
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afk chamber exist for you as well

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if you can't leech nor play

gray quiver
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cid raid is just a chore to do and its not fun

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without monarch it drags aswell

tight quest
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Holy shit you actually want stuff to be spoonfed

deep belfry
tight quest
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You got it gang

deep belfry
split bolt
deep belfry
tight quest
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Anyway Kaguya is literally here until at least/most Update 8

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Unless they actually decide to speed up update progress

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You can literally take your time getting Kaguya with the new banner pity

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Stop bitching smh

shell pewter
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still have one month to obtain for sure

deep belfry
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you cant say chests are good you cant even open them if you have max green essences

tight quest
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Bro it's Green Essences

shell pewter
tight quest
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Let's not be serious

shell pewter
deep belfry
tight quest
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We already said it's a bug

gray quiver
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i dont get the limit for resources tbh

shell pewter
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i saw ppl making luck potion crylaugh

dark lance
tight quest
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Therefore outside of this you're bitching over nothing

tight quest
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Which is fair but at the same time most people only get the good units anyway

gray quiver
tight quest
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^

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NO ONE is evolving Reiner

deep belfry
tight quest
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And that Ymir questline?

shell pewter
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the unit is bad that dont feel rewarding grinding for it

tight quest
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Wrap it up 🥀

gray quiver
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ymir questline is worst thing ever

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reminds me of toji

tight quest
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Nah Toji wasn't that bad

gray quiver
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toji required you to evo jjk units it was kinda a drag

tight quest
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You wasn't using Todo

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So I just threw him in there

gray quiver
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i still didnt get dupe zeke

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so i cant start questline

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peak

tight quest
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For Ymir she requires you to evolve two reasonable good units

gray quiver
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good units?

wise stratus
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Too many traits ngl

gray quiver
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rumbling doesnt even work on shield

tight quest
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I didn't know that

gray quiver
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😭

tight quest
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But even then Zeke and Eren are still good

gray quiver
tight quest
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But that is still wicked though

gray quiver
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eren big maybe

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zeke is a must monarch to be good tho

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otherwise he is sack for rumbling

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ackermans are good for early start

tight quest
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Fam you can still do some stuff with these units though

gray quiver
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buff

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that's all i can say

tight quest
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Sure but even then I don't think Zeke is a must Monarch to be good

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This game isn't that hard

gray quiver
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his ability

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benefits greatly

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he is like worse ywach

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you want bring rare units

tight quest
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That's why I ask outside of convenience what content are you doing that requires these rare traits

gray quiver
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and zeke benefits from it

tight quest
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There isn't much

gray quiver
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.-.

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i literally stated like portals

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ex stages also do

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you were forced to do gg one

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so it counts

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no matter what you say

tight quest
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Who was forced?

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Not me

gray quiver
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I HAD TO EVO BEIKEN

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I DID THAT CRAP 10 TIMES

tight quest
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And even then you were required to get people

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Not Monarchs

gray quiver
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yk what

tight quest
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Yeah it helped but it was literally beatable

gray quiver
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it seems you have already mindset on its valiable without monarchs

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no matter what i say

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you going stay on that mindset

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why bother

tight quest
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The problem you're having is how many times to beat it

gray quiver
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i had to win 10 times

tight quest
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That's why you say Monarch is convenient

gray quiver
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bro the stage literally is rng dependant so much

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if he mind controls good dpses

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you lose

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boss starts with 5 mln on wave 5

tight quest
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Exactly even to me that's a lot considering it's not beatable without people

gray quiver
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?????

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even with people i lost way more times than i could count

tight quest
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I'm saying having to do it 10 times

gray quiver
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ex stage is must do for a really good secret

tight quest
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Like if you only have to do it max 3-5 times

gray quiver
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not do it 10 times

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gg ex stage is way harder than aot one

tight quest
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You aren't letting me finish

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What I am saying is

quaint rose
tight quest
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If you only had to beat it 3-5 times

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You wouldn't want Monarch as bad

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That's the real issue with the game

gray quiver
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i had monarch to make it bearable

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everyone asked for monarch for this stage in specific

tight quest
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They want you to have strategy on something that you have to do 10+ times

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That's not strategy that's just pure torture

gray quiver
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ex stage gg is pure torture

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its rng fest

tight quest
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I'm aware that's why I skipped that GG update

gray quiver
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well i did grind it

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and i felt like bashing my face

tight quest
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Those weren't my Devs that made that update

gray quiver
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sorry for my outburst but this stage wasted 5 hours of my life

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i just hate it

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atleast pvp quest was skippable through the bug

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but forcing players to do that ex stage was so devilish from them

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just to get a good unit

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then nerf it

tight quest
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I feel bad for you I do but what I'm telling you is that you said traits are a problem due to convenience and I disagree because if they just designed the content different you wouldn't have the "convenience" boon that you say so much

gray quiver
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my bad ex stage is more about must have

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not convenience

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atleast that's what that gg ex felt to me

tight quest
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And that's due to the stage design, not the trait

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Like you said it was an RNG fest

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That's bad design no matter what game it is

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Even in Dokkan Battle

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They be dropped RNG events

gray quiver
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Dokkan Battle mentioned

tight quest
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NO ONE enjoyed them

gray quiver
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me when i had to reroll because i didnt get rotation i needed

tight quest
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Even if your units were 100% w/ LL 10

gray quiver
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tbh rn it kinda reminds me of vid that datruth had to reroll because omega shenrons kept getting together

tight quest
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Exactly, if you added same name linking PHY Omega would literally terrorize the game

gray quiver
tight quest
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Honestly every Villain team

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Fusion Zamasu got the worst of it

gray quiver
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tbh i kinda skipped part 1

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it was just not it for me

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no fusion

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and it felt like they were advertising it

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part 2 was goated comeback tho

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always love gt getting more stuff

proud narwhal
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bump

proud narwhal
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Ump

sweet pendant
proud narwhal
snow crystal
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500+ stars in two days

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actaully insane

left minnow
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rigged

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ban him

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hes botting stars!!!

proud narwhal
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botting stars

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fr

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totally didnt pull TWO all nighters to bump ts

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😭

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bum

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554

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can we hit 600 by tuesday

steel bloom
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Agreed like why is marksman optimal and not even solar, solar buff when

worthy mortar
steel bloom
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Like marksman is a leg bro why dont solar give a 35% range buff thts the whole point

proud narwhal
#

bump

proud narwhal
tacit flint
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Make it like how Eth is designed for consistency

steel bloom
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Yeah

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Jus a ranged eth amazing for supps gives them a lil range if they do dmg

snow crystal
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but i feel like the traits you have mentioned are really good

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and i like the idea

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like duplicate

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perfect for rimuru

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but with the monarch trait in the game its always most likely going to be superior

narrow ruin
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we need trait +1 placement trait and it shouldn't work on farm because if sm get's it on takeroda and thjen take it on pvp, economy would be broken prob

snow crystal
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this whole trait idea is just such a fucking ass feature ngl

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a trait that gives you 300% more dmg

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like be fr it just sounds unbalanced

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theres no turning back

steel bloom
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All we can do is blame aa and i mean the trade off is it limits you to once placement, i mean it could increase a units cost but, people would whine

narrow ruin
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i forgot about inf lb and tournament

snow crystal
narrow ruin
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but both are still trait releated, so if u want to progres in lb u have to have good traits

snow crystal
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i really think if av didnt put monarch in theyre game it would be so much better

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bcs

tacit flint