A small solution to the VANGUARD PITY

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[ember cliff]

why

literally give 1 reason besides "i got lucky this one time so i want the unit to be worth more so i can sit on my ass all day trading on discord"

there literally was a reason given for why pity isnt 4.5m

1000 portals is insane

3m pity is already a big ask for most casuals

"make it 5m" is the dumbest idea ever.

[stray valley]

To protect the value of the vanguard because the what everyone is blabbing about
Also bots are insane yku never saw them in action in ad did you

[stray valley]

Maybe you but half of the community afk over joght 1000 portal is a 10 day grind

[ember cliff]

yeah okay so it is exactly what i said

good to know

[stray valley]

And we can't risk 1000 bots putting thier hand on it

[ember cliff]

yeah because pity favours the botters and not an average player

you right

[stray valley]

That why the requirement

BROCHACHO

It a vanguard

Not a secret

[ember cliff]

have you seen botters you idiot.

[edgy otter]

not event the bots want to grind for kaguya dude 🥀💔✌️

[stray valley]

Iscanor ibet

[stray valley]

Ngl if she had a ability to make her stop moving all along maybe but gogita is just way better

You ca control where he go

Not just go randomly like her

[stray valley]

And you clearly never traded

[ember cliff]

💀

[ember cliff]

yeah im not a loser who sits on discord scamming 13 year olds, and cries when the game is made more casual friendly because 'b-b-but the value!!!"

Hearing some fascinating opinions todayu

gogeta > kaguya 🥀

[stray valley]

You are just some low brain specimen ngl

[ember cliff]

projecting

but sure.

[late tapir]

I don't see how enderian is the low brain in this situation

[stray valley]

So your telling me trading takes 13 hours of yourmday

[late tapir]

People care too much for a currently non-existent economy in this game, people should be rewarded for the time they spent now

[stray valley]

His vue on trading is very wrong

[ember cliff]

mhm

no it's exactly what trading is lol

especially when people like you artificially wanna inflate unit values

because you got lucky

and now wanna hoard units

i have 3 kaguyas and i could not care less

[stray valley]

I don't have her brochach9

[late tapir]

You don't "lose out" on a vanguard simply because it has a pity now

[stray valley]

I never said lose out

[ember cliff]

it's just favourable for the 36% of people who could've gone 3m+ without kaguya

simple as that

[late tapir]

That was an exact quote from you

[stray valley]

It just a protection against the bots you never even bothered reading the other

[stray valley]

Bro

[ember cliff]

yeah man because a level requirement stops bots

[stray valley]

I said it like keep the pity

And add req

To stop bots

[dreamy sorrel]

get outta here dude 😭 🙏

[late tapir]

Level requirement/unit requirement would just fuck over the average player that hasn't reached those levels for a non-existant economy

As I said before

[stray valley]

Man it's a vanguard

Maybe lvl 80

But you just be wanting everyone to just have it even if they are low lvl

[late tapir]

I don't understand how it being a vanguard changes that sentiment

[ember cliff]

everyone to have it

[stray valley]

That just kills the need for any other unit

[ember cliff]

[stray valley]

Vanguards are end game units

[late tapir]

Its rarity is higher than a secret, oh now that means we should timegate it behind content!

[ember cliff]

yeah gang everyone goes to 3m currency spent you're so right

my god

[stray valley]

Isn't that exactly what vsjw is

[late tapir]

I meant by the fact that you're suggesting getting to level 80/x amount of units to even have the chance of obtaining this unit

[stray valley]

No the lvl is for pity

And you got it all wrong

[ember cliff]

levels dont indicate anything besides how much you afk the game

[stray valley]

Ofc you can still gamble

[late tapir]

So people below that should just be able to spend 10m and get jack shit?

[ember cliff]

i guess so

[stray valley]

There are many ways to lvl up fast in this game did you see the new boss rush

It's only bots

[stray valley]

Man I just enjoy trading as a whole

And I wanted to suggest stuff

To protect the value

If you don't agree

It completely fine

[late tapir]

This is more just fucking over people who didn't play the game enough before the event dropped

[ember cliff]

Yeah it's just a fuck you to anyone who gets unlucky

the majority doesn't go over 3 million

[late tapir]

The ability to spend 5 million and get nothing, compared to someone that at least has the guarantee of that 3 million being timegated is just stupid

[stray valley]

Man I mean if yalla want av to tunr into ad

Sure

[ember cliff]

you're dumb as hell

[late tapir]

AD's trading system failed because they included gems and based everything aruond their trading

[stray valley]

I mean the increase pity is a suggestion

[late tapir]

Hell you're playing into what they did wrong

[stray valley]

And req is what it's all about

[ember cliff]

yeah lmfao

[late tapir]

They made units so incredibly annoying/hard to get that you were basically forced into trading for those units

Getting a shadow dragon without trading? Good luck

[stray valley]

Isn't that what a vanguard is?

[ember cliff]

artificially inflating unit rarity and value, that's the last like 10 ad updates

[ember cliff]

yeah, but now there's a clear end in sight. not a "oh you could go 15m without getting the unit"

there's a difference

[late tapir]

We don't even have an economy for trading, you can't infer based off something that doesn't exist
Also their units operated PURELY around a chance, there was no safety net

Gating that safety net behind levels plays into what they did horribly wrong

[stray valley]

I never said they should remove the pity I like it

[ember cliff]

yeah 5m is stupid

[late tapir]

One of the reasons everything got inflated

[ember cliff]

3m is already 100 hours

100 hours of portals btw

not everyone has ahk magnos

[late tapir]

If something is a 1/20k chance I don't think the pity should be higher than the average to get it

[ember cliff]

it's weeks on weeks if you're just using afk chamber

[stray valley]

Both the devs and the players are putting the trading in mind with the last poll

[late tapir]

You're basing the value of vanguard units based off getting previous bp units?

[stray valley]

Ngl monarch is way worst yet ppl don't complain its 1,5x
As much

[stray valley]

There isn't alot to work with since most secret are perm

So those are gonna be the back bon3 for long

[late tapir]

Probably because it was released from a higher number, people still complain about it plenty

[ember cliff]

that's a good thing.

the fact that units like al or luce are limited is already stupid.

why would we want more meta units to be rarer

what is the thought process

[stray valley]

They complain about the monarch making the gsme easy not the pity

[solar terrace]

bro what did i just read...

[late tapir]

Bp units being a backbone,

1. Isn't the worst thing I've ever heard
2. Probably won't be completely factual due to the fact that so many people get them from just naturally playing the game

[stray valley]

Shouldn't it be 1x

[late tapir]

No, they complain about the pity
Not once did I mention people complaining that they thought it made the game easier

[ember cliff]

yeah same lol

all i saw was "it should be 1k" or "1.5k still takes too long"

[stray valley]

Isn't that why nag made a whole vid and the devs ah to apologize

[ember cliff]

which is fair, if you dont run ahk 24x7 rrs are still not the most farmable

[stray valley]

And say old defs added monarch from aa

And now it thier problem

[late tapir]

How does Nag's vid about anything even closely resemble what I'm talking about

[stray valley]

Did you read the devs apology

[solar terrace]

it's funny how the devs did the appology just after nag dropped the video

[late tapir]

The new balancer after Aandre left always hated monarch, it can't be changed now

[ember cliff]

yeah it was quite impactful

i like the changes made so far

[stray valley]

Fr like it feels like they apologize for the back lash not the whole ass monarch system

[ember cliff]

i think to address the rr issue they should just take rrs from things like challenges and add it to boss rush instead

and the familiar system needs so many changes tbh but ah well

[stray valley]

I have monarch and my friends don't they did ass can't play without me in actually worth it modes

[late tapir]

Their main response was that units are becoming overcomplicated, becoming more annoying and inconvenient to use compared to older units without bearing extra value, that's what it revolved aroudn

[stray valley]

Bro the apologize was around hiw the old devs added monarch from unique in aa

And now it's thier problem

[late tapir]

That wasn't in the apology from Kazi, at all

Pyseph said monarch was a dumb thing to add they can't fix, that wasn't their apology

[stray valley]

And still got back lash cus ppl wanted them to take responsibility not blame the old devs

[late tapir]

How the fuck are they meant to take responsiblity for something they barely had any choice in

The current balancer wasn't here when the game released

[stray valley]

The apologize came from him saying that the game was playable without monarch

[late tapir]

It's pinned on the old devs simply because it was their decision

[stray valley]

And it's not "needed"

[late tapir]

Kazi's apology came from the fact that people didn't care about using the new units

Why? Their overcomplicated and too polarizing for most people to care

[stray valley]

That just a part of it

[late tapir]

That is quite literally what the entire statement was about

[ember cliff]

pyseph's message is not an apology

it's literally pyseph doubling down

can you read

[late tapir]

"TL;DR We hear that units are becoming overly complicated, feel like they arent worth it, and that the enemy mechanics we use to keep the meta diverse is annoying, and we are looking into solving all those issues and keeping things simple while still keeping the identity of the game"

[stray valley]

The complaint came from alot of stuff but ppl couldn't care less

[late tapir]

That is the official apology from Kazi

[stray valley]

The monarch prob was the biggest

[stray valley]

There are many

[ember cliff]

how can one look at pyseph's message and think it's an apology

💀

[late tapir]

That is the ONLY apology there is

Pyseph's message was addressing the whole "monarch reliant" statement, it wasn't apologetic

[ember cliff]

yeah

[stray valley]

Saying yes we are wrong

[ember cliff]

about the unit balancing

[late tapir]

That, was Kazi about people's opinions on the new units

[stray valley]

And admiting it is in fact a apologize

[late tapir]

That wasn't Pyseph talking about monarch

The one where "we were wrong" was stated was completely unrelated from Pyseph talking about monarch

It was because seeing the past few updates of units, everything was getting overcomplicated

6.0 was the greatest showing of this

[stray valley]

They talked about many

[late tapir]

Having to micro-manage everything on your team wasn't appealing to the average player, so things are being kept more simple while still remaining unique

[stray valley]

But we clearly have diff opinions of what the apology really focused on

[late tapir]

That was Kazi's statement

[ember cliff]

in your head maybe

[stray valley]

Go read it right then come back

Instead of just talking smack man

[late tapir]

My opinion of the apology is

1. Literally what it says
2. What I also discussed myself with the balancer himself

[stray valley]

We are open minded here

And I see my suggestion

Had some wrong shitmin it

[ember cliff]

follow your own advise please.

[stray valley]

You can see the monarch part

In the middle

Before the tl:dr

I feel like the increase in pity is dumb now

But I still believe in the req

Just maybe I was too harsh

In it

[ember cliff]

dont see any mention of traits

[stray valley]

@ember cliff

The back lash came from this

As th3 devs refused to

[late tapir]

That is Pyseph's statement, the one we literally said was not the apology

[stray valley]

Admit the game is monarch reliance

[stray valley]

Ik

I said started

From this

[late tapir]

The apology was based off the units being annoying as fuck to use

It wasn't purely based off the monarch thing, hell it wasn't even because of it

[stray valley]

We’ve spent further time talking about the community’s feedback and criticism of the recent direction we’re going in, and have understood that were going in a bad direction. I apologize for my previous message here—I’m no balancer, and was misinformed on many of my views here. We’ve talked a lot internally on what to do going forward, and we’ll have something to share soon after we reach a consensus—I just wanted to write an apology until then, and let you guys know that your voices are heard. Thank you for being an amazing community, even when we get into some rough spots ❤️

[late tapir]

Why would I use the entire aot team if I've already got other units that fill the exact role?

[stray valley]

This is as well

[late tapir]

There isn't one, people didn't like that

[stray valley]

Read this

[late tapir]

So it resulted in the apology coming that they admitted their stance on units were wrong

[stray valley]

As it was part of the apology

[late tapir]

The "recent direction" was based off units as well

[stray valley]

But I think in the polls

@late tapir

This one was a follow up

To the monarch incident

ive spent 40 or so minutes responding to everyone in general chat, so please feel free to look through my message history if you have any questions.

i received a lot of good criticism, but one especially valid piece of feedback is that despite not needing monarch to beat the content, it makes it a lot easier and you can play relaxed/without needing to put in as much effort. we’ll look into how to address this going forward.
thank you everyone who talked with me on this!

@late tapir

Not all upds gonna be perfect

And if it flops

Another will follow

But the monarch is here to stay

[late tapir]

Did you just hit me with some random ass quote

What in the hell am I even

"The monarch is here to stay" Sung Jinwoo is that you?

[stray valley]

Ahh

I mean monarch is a core component

Of the game

All td games adds kne bad upd

[late tapir]

Well yeah, it's a shitty one but that's quite literally unchangable now

[cosmic ibex]

i think instead of higher pity can we add a captcha every 5 portals as a wake up call and to remove the already nonexistent botters

[late tapir]

Because people spent money on it already

[stray valley]

Ok thst cool

[cosmic ibex]

no sybau

[stray valley]

Yea but we can work around it

[cosmic ibex]

WAIT I CAN SAY SYBAU INN HERE?

[cosmic ibex]

sybau sybau sybau

[stray valley]

Hell yea

[cosmic ibex]

sybau sybau

[late tapir]

Why the hell cna you say it here

Or is it legal now

Wtf

[stray valley]

Idk maybe the thread

[cosmic ibex]

idk but in general 2 dyno pisses me off

[stray valley]

Don't do it much

[late tapir]

I thought suggestions would've been added to the blacklist

[stray valley]

So you don't get warned

[late tapir]

Huh

Cool I suppose

[cosmic ibex]

good thing it isnt

[stray valley]

Btw

[late tapir]

If you ever want to tell someone to sybau just ping them in a suggestion

[stray valley]

@cosmic ibex

We can't change monarch

But we can work around it

[cosmic ibex]

it lets us funnel our anger at these poorly made suggestions

[stray valley]

There are 2 problems

So e units being monarch relianct

And the cash being too low

[cosmic ibex]

@viscid hamlet u can say the funny word here

[half viper]

OP神-Atomic ||VOTE HAWKS 7DS is AFK: @crimson agate really loves 🫵 - 17 hours ago

[stray valley]

So I think we can add a good farm units

The non monarch can have enough to max out

And monarch user can

[cosmic ibex]

i think u should sybauuu

[stray valley]

Just keep the money

Till the matchend

[stray valley]

Aigh chill

You might get warned

Delete them fr

And for units

[cosmic ibex]

we dont need new farms or higher vanguard pity

[stray valley]

They should make a unit with double passives that both functions with and without monarch

Like if they fix eren passive

To make it re placebel

With monarch

And not without it

Instead of just making a unit

That either work it monarch

[cosmic ibex]

if he is replaceable with monarch is he really monarch

[stray valley]

Or just straight up won't

[cosmic ibex]

also eren is good with monarch

[stray valley]

No like if you do rumbling

You lose him completely

Can't be placed again

[cosmic ibex]

well u dont need to place a monarch eren after using the rumbling to wipe out the entire game

[stray valley]

@late tapir
So?

[late tapir]

What

[cosmic ibex]

hes telling you to sybau

[late tapir]

I exited this discussion a while ago because I disagree with it

Don't drag me back into this

[stray valley]

I made some suggestions lol

[cosmic ibex]

[stray valley]

No another ones

[cosmic ibex]

not good ones

[stray valley]

@late tapir

Cus am deleting this

[late tapir]

Can you

Stop pinging me

[stray valley]

Ahh sure

[late tapir]

I stopped talking here on purpose

[cosmic ibex]

stop saying sybau

[stray valley]

Well ty both for hearing ig

Am delete this

[viscid hamlet]

Sybau

Wow no ways

And suggestions are open again

I'll review ts tmrow

?afk @crimson agate loves 🫵

[half viper]

@viscid hamlet I set your AFK: @crimson agate loves 🫵

[half quartz]

they have purged bots on multiple occasions 3mill presents is already absurd when the max you can get from straight 24 hour portal grind is 500k 🥹

[stray valley]

Fr

Qnd I thought I clos3d this ahh thread

The pity increase was dumb

[crimson agate]

i was really wondering why i got pinged here