End Game Content (How to Save the Game)

[cursive parcel]

Ok well what about my Monarch Rem and Ram and Emilia for something like the Cid raid

[sage rivet]

Not so much yamamoto as aizen and yhwach but he’s still solid for a unit that came out in MARCH

[cursive parcel]

They were good back when they came out but are mostly useless now

[sage rivet]

Obviously the hardest raid in the game can’t be beat by an event unit from almost 6 months ago..?

[sage rivet]

AV has the slowest powercreep in all of ATD games, you can’t make this argument for it

Just doesn’t work

[upper nexus]

me when awtd

[cursive parcel]

Weve lost the plot here

[sage rivet]

They are in fact trying to make an actual powercreep this upd because of how little the powercreep is

[upper nexus]

standard suggestion moment

[sage rivet]

Literally just facts btw, thats one of the main complaints of AV

People complain saying whats the use of new upd units when VSJW can solo everything new

[cursive parcel]

Game feels monarch reliant, devs try and fix by making units that are better without it

Making those units basically useless in future updates

[sage rivet]

Just not true

[cursive parcel]

Tell me who is gonna be using an Eren, Zeke, Ymir team

[dusk relic]

Exactly, in the end of the day we are just a minor part of the community, the majority of 9 yo want powercreep to reach out in 2 months or less

[sage rivet]

We can’t be expecting units from half a year ago to still be insanely useful

[cursive parcel]

For the rumbling you cant even use in normal 15 wave stages

[sage rivet]

That would make new units not even required to get

[cursive parcel]

Guess whos the most broken unit

Zeke Monarch

[sage rivet]

Best unit for 20 seconds

You aren’t serious

[cursive parcel]

Fair point

but still

Only other unit that feels decent are the Ackermans

But are so expensive to max

Yes these units will be good in endgame content

theoretically

But when we dont have any end game content

whats the point of them

ya know?

If they keep on the track they are going they will keep copy pasting things until the game dies

In all honesty I think the majority of the community would get distracted by content and not worry about if they game is bad or not if they were able to update the game more often

Thinking about how other games are

Give people too much to do

At this point you cant satisfy the community because everyone want something different

back to what we were talking about earlier

If the devs just polled more

[visual relic]

Explodes

[cursive parcel]

threw out ideas

I think they could actually fix a lot of issues

I think they kind of dug themselves into a hole making some raid units limited time

no endgame content nothing to grind for so why did they make 2 of the raids useless

replace the limited unit with another unit idk

[sage rivet]

At this point you have js lost the plot gng, first the issue was monarchs being busted, then it was the powercreep being too fast, and now its the games content

[cursive parcel]

suggestions chat

[sage rivet]

I know these are all issues you see with the game but atleast start and end a topic before starting another one

[cursive parcel]

im spitballing

[wind echo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1331265060089106482/1356387651711795360/togif-1-1.gif

[cursive parcel]

The whole point is to talk and pick apart issues

we disagree on Monarchs being balanced/broken

[sage rivet]

Yes I know, but you can't just randomly switch to another topic when you say something stupid and get proven wrong

😭

[cursive parcel]

Youre the issue

[sage rivet]

^

[cursive parcel]

children like you

this community is plagued by it

youre contributing

[sage rivet]

Just randomly said zekes the most broken unit, got proven wrong and then went onto another topic

[cursive parcel]

I said out of all the update units

[sage rivet]

Genuinely can't be a real person

[sage rivet]

^ all you said btw

no "out of all update units"

[cursive parcel]

Look at the context of what I was talking about

it doesnt take a genius to understand what I was referring to

[sage rivet]

You still have to clarify twin you can't just say hes the most broken in a game like this

[cursive parcel]

Youre out for blood for 0

Youre literally the one that was attacking me and when I decided to ignore it you take it as me not being a real person?

[sage rivet]

Oh yea also about your argument that this makes old units useless, please explain to me which units introduced a powercreep in this update that came

[cursive parcel]

Im not in here to prove anyone wrong broski

[sage rivet]

Need to understand your pov

[cursive parcel]

Im talking about the mechanics making old units useless

I guess I needed to clarify

GG update introduced meter

[upper nexus]

Thought that was update 5.0

With dmc units

[sage rivet]

ye it was lol

he has no idea what hes sayin

[dusk relic]

Again proved wrong

[sage rivet]

[dusk relic]

Danre and vergil did

Dante*

[cursive parcel]

6.0

[sage rivet]

5.0

are you good

[upper nexus]

5.0

?

[cursive parcel]

I just mean as a whole focus

Dante and Virgil were BP

[upper nexus]

I don’t even know what the argument is about

[dusk relic]

What abt goku

[wind echo]

Goku...

[upper nexus]

Goku

[cursive parcel]

1 Unit

[dusk relic]

[cursive parcel]

But yes it was introduced back then

Back to my point

the GG update was full on focus

[upper nexus]

Cuz i don’t want to read allat

[cursive parcel]

But also youre proving my point with the meter units

they introduced them

ok

doesnt matter when

a lot of people have goku monarch

New EX stage makes them useless does it not*

[dusk relic]

I dont

He buns

Way better as a support tbh

[cursive parcel]

Why are we spending all of this time grinding these units to have them be useless

[upper nexus]

Well you also have to consider the fact that the new ex stage is not mandatory

Iirc

[cursive parcel]

I brought that up

its not

[sage rivet]

on to nothing

[cursive parcel]

everyone acts liek the other stage doesnt have a 5% drop chance for eren

[upper nexus]

?

[sage rivet]

new EX stage was never mandatory

[cursive parcel]

I never said it was

[sage rivet]

Yo genuinely what are you even saying at this point

[upper nexus]

Ok yeah and what abt it?

I don’t quite follow

[cursive parcel]

xd

[upper nexus]

Unless im missing something

And being a dumbass

[cursive parcel]

thread is about End game content btw

Youre not

Klex keeps bringin up old shit

I change topics and im avoiding beiung wrong I guess

[upper nexus]

Chat gpt summerize both sides of the debate rn

[sage rivet]

I brought up the topics you talked abt minutes ago

[cursive parcel]

so now were back on a topic from 2 hours ago LOL

[sage rivet]

☠️

[cursive parcel]

All I was doing was spitballing issues/ideas

[primal storm]

yapping for 2 hours and my suggestion still at 12 stars

[cursive parcel]

we talked about how monarchs are an issue and need to be changed

[sage rivet]

bro Haydes you have just been saying a whole lot of nothing

everything you say is just proven wrong

[primal storm]

like it so psyeph sees this cause he pinged yfm

[upper nexus]

Cuz poopoo suggestion

[final crow]

More EX stages tbh

[sage rivet]

Its like im trying to understand your point but nothing you say makes any coherent sense

[primal storm]

suggestion is peak just could use some tweaks

[woven wigeon]

what did they just

post

[karmic elm]

get to tweaking

[woven wigeon]

oh my lordy

[cursive parcel]

Wow look at that

[woven wigeon]

no game mode

[upper nexus]

Oh did he just post that

Lemme read

[primal storm]

bro the devs can tweak it ion feel like rewriting 😭

[karmic elm]

guys they gna start looking at suggestion

act proffesional

[unborn wave]

Don't make anything too difficult it's not that complicated lol

[primal storm]

oh shoot everyone liking now that he pinged

[worthy relic]

type shit

[primal storm]

damn

PEAK SUGGESTION YFM

[cursive parcel]

Maybe my yapping was worth it

[hearty lance]

STOPP MAKING IT RNGGGG

I CANT PULL ANOTHER MONARCH I WONT PULL ANOTHER MONARCH I WONT PULL ANOTHER 0.02% VANGUARD IM GOING INSANE

H E L P MAKE QUESTLINES LIKE WITH VSJW

[jaunty hearth]

holy yappatron

[primal storm]

it was 🙏

[cursive parcel]

maybe someone can decipher what ive been trying to say

[karmic elm]

WHY ARE PORTALS WINNING

[cursive parcel]

Im just trying to throw ideas out

[karmic elm]

look at this dumbah poll

[candid rampart]

change pvp mode to a card game like yugioh trust

[cursive parcel]

How is it dumb

[upper nexus]

Well time to push out my suggestion as soon as possible ig

[cursive parcel]

get typing

[karmic elm]

cause portals are winning which are the most mind numbing

atleast pick cid or ant

[cursive parcel]

Ok but imagine if portals werent on that list, it still gives them what people enjoyed aside from portals

[karmic elm]

cid pre nerf was acc fun
u werent stuck with 1 time u could be fast or slow

[cursive parcel]

Cid raid was fun

And wasnt bad

[upper nexus]

Just that you had to do it millions if times

To get a fucking bird

[cursive parcel]

true

Im 50 in no bird or unit

so

[karmic elm]

bro before handcuffs and if atomic didnt nuke ur run but just healed the boss instead would be so goated

[karmic elm]

bruh

[upper nexus]

Thankfully i got a bjt lucky and got a bird at 30 runs

[tribal ivy]

Fr removing the handcuffs made it actually fun to grind icl

[cursive parcel]

Should probably go back to the main point of the thread instead of yapping

[primal storm]

portals 😭

[muted stirrup]

Ant dungeon was the most fun if it was like that but harder and more amazing rewards

[primal storm]

what are they doing

[karmic elm]

a lil fun only if u got harvest

or hella rewards

[unborn wave]

Tbh I haven't even played the last 2 AV update partly because I've had a broken pc and mostly because they've just been the same old grind for 7 years, get new units, pray for monarch updates what would get me back into the game would be if devs added a gamemode that gives a 100% drop rate of the unit but make it guaranteed to get after a long session of grinding instead of making it so that you can get the units if your lucky only because then it makes unlucky people discouraged to play.

[karmic elm]

escanor is cmg hes prob gna be a long grind typa jit

[muted stirrup]

yeah true i just like the lanes but they need to add air units like bruh it felt so good to be like who got air and i roll in with i got air boys dont worry

[unborn wave]

I just want something where not everything is based on luck but dedication towards the game

[karmic elm]

bro no

[karmic elm]

vsjw

[primal storm]

why are people liking 2-3x speed, It will literally kill the game

i play with fx on and 3x just gonna make everything fried

[muted stirrup]

so u like just ground units alr no wonder game dying bro

[cursive parcel]

There is nothing to 2x or 3x right now so it makes 0 sense

[primal storm]

unit spa wont even be accurate cutscnees will be pointless

[cursive parcel]

Hill units were fun

Made you have to pick and choose

[karmic elm]

imagine ur favourite unit is a groud then u cant use him💀

[unborn wave]

True but still some people got to get the item way faster than others because they got the 10% early on and got the glitch that let you skip the 50 ant king kills

[karmic elm]

so unnecesary

[cursive parcel]

Explain

[karmic elm]

air units

[muted stirrup]

alright bro what are u talking about there is still ground enemies with both air and ground

[karmic elm]

i went to pity also

[karmic elm]

wdym

[cursive parcel]

So yes hill units are pointless with the modifiers/mutators

[muted stirrup]

u can still use ground units

[unborn wave]

Would've been so much better if they just removed the 50 and king kills

[karmic elm]

lowered it but added another stage of the quest

or

[unborn wave]

Already hard enough especially for the people without igris

[cursive parcel]

But I think everyone at this point would like to just have flying units without all this annoying stuff theyve added in its place

[karmic elm]

ye but like why would i if hybrid is obv the best

[muted stirrup]

how is hybrid the best when u can make ground do more damage?

[karmic elm]

because hybrid hits both

like what

[muted stirrup]

theres a balance if u know that word

[karmic elm]

ur so geeked

[cursive parcel]

This aint a thread about hybrid and hill units

[primal storm]

Hills is meh

[karmic elm]

ye but idc if theres ground units that do more dmg if the hybrid ones are super conveniant

[cursive parcel]

Make a new suggestion thread for that

[primal storm]

needs to add new placements and hill placements always miod

you cant make threads

[unborn wave]

Pvp was probably the worst addition to the game in my opinion it just isn't very enjoyable

[cursive parcel]

Basically what I think everyone can agree on is that having hill/hybrid units is a lot less of a headache than all the mutators we have now

[muted stirrup]

pvp was a waste of development time that no one plays now

[karmic elm]

WE will play it when they speed it up and the tourny drops

[cursive parcel]

We would much rather deal with having flying units and have to pick and choose our team around that then having to deal with an enemy that reduces our damage or range

[muted stirrup]

nah

[karmic elm]

100% im playing if 500k robux r on the line

[tribal ivy]

Guys how do i go back to the top of this msg history

[karmic elm]

u play the game anyway might aswell get some moeny

[tribal ivy]

Of this thread

[muted stirrup]

calm down lil bro u cant get it

[unborn wave]

I dont think it's possible to save pvp unless they completely changed how it works

[dusk relic]

Why is portals winning, thisbis bs

This is *

[muted stirrup]

portals is lame

[dusk relic]

Legit do more things like cid but more rewarding

[west python]

WE already playing pvp

[primal storm]

WE sit in queue for hours 😭

[muted stirrup]

why cant they add a map and grind that involves more strats than actually just grind like zombie

[primal storm]

Ex stage

[west python]

cant find a single match in gold 🥀

[dusk relic]

Because such thing isnt possible with monarch teams

[primal storm]

Me too 😭

[muted stirrup]

nah u just get unit and then its over i played like 4 times and got it

its not grindy at all

[primal storm]

True

They should add ex portals

[muted stirrup]

theres no rewards involved

besides eren

[heady idol]

Get a j o b buddy

[sinful cargo]

dont be rude

[heady idol]

I don’t see me being rude

[sinful cargo]

rage baiting

[heady idol]

Maybe

[cursive parcel]

End game content! Odyssey doesnt really seem to have a purpose rn aside from familiar related stuff so why not make it something worth grinding!

[woven wigeon]

why did they put portals on the polls

[cursive parcel]

read what they said under the poll!

[woven wigeon]

it sounds condescending

that’s js me tho

[cursive parcel]

It was

[mint pilot]

his time will come

[woven wigeon]

then they’re gonna add some bullshit and say that it was our faults

[mint pilot]

2h cd tho

😭

[woven wigeon]

:soob

[cursive parcel]

I dont think because people are voting portals means thats all we will get

thats just stupid

[woven wigeon]

i voted cid raid

[cursive parcel]

As did I

[woven wigeon]

cause you have to stay focused

and be there

[cursive parcel]

heres the thing

Portals are for people that dont want to try

its an easy grind for a free unit and materials

end game content should be like the cid raid

its a perfect example

[muted stirrup]

ima be honest portals shouldnt be hard but dungeons can be end game content and raids

[cursive parcel]

You have to actually play the game

[muted stirrup]

everyone should be allowed to beat portals

[cursive parcel]

^

[plain iris]

Why would I do ts

[woven wigeon]

and the game is gonna be a shithole now

yay

[cursive parcel]

then dont do endgame content

I dont think end game content should be like the annoying EX stages

but it should require some sort of brains

like activating the pillars

[plain iris]

No brains

[cursive parcel]

I think if the devs just released stuff like the cid raid along with easier stuff like portals eveyrone can be kind of happy

just have to find that sweet spot with drops

[woven wigeon]

but here’s the thing

nobody wants the cid raid

even though it was the best thing

[cursive parcel]

ok well who said its mandatory

the devs have to settle on what endgame content is for their game

if people want the unit

they have to try for it

they cant have everything handed to them

Its not mandatory content

As long as its not the main focus of the update I think itd be fine

And as long as the devs dont make it annoying

I think thats the main reason people think the stages are too hard

[muted stirrup]

i liked the ant dungeon the most but it was a little to easy

[cursive parcel]

^

Cool idea

[steep stone]

anything related to pvp is not a good idea because its really hard to implement into TD, and generally there will not be so much people playing it anyways so it takes time that coulve been used to make other content

[cursive parcel]

Just make it more difficult

Tbh the thing that made it easy was the card that made you do more damage based on the tunnels open

If that wasnt there I guarantee people would have said it was too hard

I would love to see them revamp the old raids and maybe add new units

or just delete them if they arent gonna do anything with them

[primal storm]

pvp right now is good

just takes too long and not enough rewards

[muted stirrup]

ima be honest not everyone likes pvp especially in a td game

[primal storm]

true, but some do and I feel that some is bigger in av than any other td

[dusk relic]

9 yo mindset is not wanting to sweat

Which is just the greater part of td comm

[muted stirrup]

nice very thorough what u just said will save the game bro good job

[cursive parcel]

Ill say it again, they should have introduced pvp as a fun mode

No elo/ranked

[dusk relic]

Never said i liked pvp

[cursive parcel]

each player has the same random team

[cursive parcel]

They have to know what units do and how to use them

rather than attack/defend modes

[dusk relic]

Wont work neither

[muted stirrup]

if you want to sweat bro just go outside when the suns out

[dusk relic]

Fun modes in a td r always dead

[cursive parcel]

You have a better idea?

go ahead

[dusk relic]

No

[cursive parcel]

were listening

[dusk relic]

Dont waste time on pvp

[cursive parcel]

ok then leave the thread

youre providing nothing

goodbye

[dusk relic]

Can you stop baiting please

[primal storm]

thats what I have in my br mode

[dusk relic]

It aint working

[primal storm]

but It's more focused on attacking and defending

[cursive parcel]

Instead of BR you could just improve the PVP with those ideas

its smart

[primal storm]

yea

[cursive parcel]

realistically I dont think wed get a BR mode

[primal storm]

but I lowk like the pvp

[cursive parcel]

I think the pvp would benefit from something like you said

[primal storm]

they could instead of the br just do a diff type of ranked pvp thats like the final round of what I have

[cursive parcel]

rather than use our own units

Not everyone has all godly stats

if the best of the best went head to head and did the same exact thing as one another

one guy could win from a .5% better speed stat

It doesnt make sense

[primal storm]

yea

I agree

[cursive parcel]

if they are gonna have such a big tournament they have to have an even playing field

the only thing is gamesense

and understanding of mechanics

To have traits enabled and disabled options is stupid

[woven wigeon]

finally

found this suggestion after 20 minutes

[cursive parcel]

Listen ive been trying

We got there eventually

[cursive parcel]

Just results in people that spend ungodly amounts of money getting godly and monarch winning 100% of the time

theres no underdogs

[primal storm]

lol

[muted stirrup]

end game content should def be hard dungeons and raids that require more than 4 people and have really good rewards and unique familiars maybe a crate to roll familiars and add some new mechanics like orbs or something cool idk

[primal storm]

nah well the traitless is good for the actual tourney they gonna have

but traits is just an easier way to get to the pool

but they get a disadvantage in the end cause they too used to traits

[cursive parcel]

Stats still factor in though

[primal storm]

ex portals

there should eb a new dungeon

daily dungeon

with a solo mvp selection

[north pollen]

not gonna read allat but it seems you put a lot of time into it so imma ⭐ ts hopefully devs see this suggestion tho as ngl there is literally nothing to do endgame except rr farming for weeks until the next update which is just boring

[cursive parcel]

Im gonna keep vouching for Odyssey to have some sort of purpose in the game, add odyssey coins or something for a shop that has like an exclusive unit and other stuff in it

[muted stirrup]

im tired of portals why everything has to be in portal form lol

[cursive parcel]

4 player odyssey with a final boss

[primal storm]

me too, ex portals would make grind better

[primal storm]

ty 🙏

[primal storm]

yea that is dumb tbh, everythign should default mid z+ like i said

me when haydes stops yappin 💔

[cursive parcel]

I made dinner im sorry

My brain power has been expended

[signal haven]

lol battle royale

[north pollen]

everyone laughed at gpo back when they did it but when it dropped it was peak and enjoyed by the community

[abstract loom]

You can just refer to AA’s trading, it worked and wasn’t as busted of an economy as alt defenders was. Especially since AV is basically a born copy of AA trading could be in that direction too

[primal storm]

lmao

[primal storm]

fr

[primal storm]

my way >

[primal storm]

Bump

[errant sapphire]

Where is guilds

😡

[errant sapphire]

Until homura

[sage rivet]

We do not need guilds rn

[supple dove]

Lowkey i agree with all besides trading since imo they should limit tradings to strictly ONLY exclusive rarity units

[errant sapphire]

Says who

Clear lack of object permanence

[primal storm]

Tbh my suggestion is more about the traits/stats factor. Limited vs non limiteds isn’t as big to me but I think all units would be better

[sage rivet]

Alr bro you saw that phrase once and now u ran with it😭

[sage rivet]

Says me, this game needs to currently focus on revamping the stage difficulty, possibly the trait system, bugs, and really just the core concept of the game

This was their main goal once they said they would stop adding new gamemodes

And especially now when AV is declining, is a good time to focus on fixing their core mechanics instead of just new systems

[errant sapphire]

whats the problem with the trait system

[unreal radish]

why do they need to rework traits system?

why fix something that isnt broken

[errant sapphire]

fr idk why ppl are complaining so much about traits rn

[sage rivet]

“Possibly”

Monarch is an unfair trait as is, thats just a fact tbh, im somewhat fine with it but its one of the main complaints the community have, and something that even the owner has acknowledged to be a problem.

Because of this games insanely limited money farming, maxing out your 3-4 placement units that aren’t incredibly cheap in most content is close to impossible, its honestly hard to change this now as its already how the entire game is so I really don’t know what they could do rn

[errant sapphire]

true lmao

i couldnt imagine playing w/o monarch

but it at least gives ppl an incentive to grind and compete ig

before i dont think it was that much of a requirment

now with this ex stage stuff 100% it is

[sage rivet]

Thats true ig

[mint pilot]

bump

[abstract loom]

I think it’s rlly interesting that we’re seeing a complete 180 with the same community that loved AA for the unfair unique trait, and then act 5 of jojo raid or stain raid being extremely difficult for non unique players to deal with, as they have to communicate with 4-5 other non-unique randoms

Yeah ofc it’s possible to beat those difficult raids (and ex stage here) without unique/monarch, but it’s extremely difficult and unreasonable to ask an average player to communicate well with a bunch of randoms

[pearl rivet]

in other words “now all i do is play the game “ ✌️

people be forgetting their playing a fucking tower defence game

not blox fruits , or fucking elden ring

[primal storm]

lmao

my point exactly is its a boring ahh game once u progress

like if I was a new player

why tf would I play it

to get the new units and do what with them

for me itd be pvp or lb but the necesary changes need to be applied

[unkempt dock]

This made me imagined that they have a rip-off game called "Steal A Monarch" and "Raise a Monarch" so just the game is not boring

[primal storm]

HUH

[unkempt dock]

Steal a Brainrot and Raise a Floppa reference respectively

[primal storm]

Bump

[primal storm]

nump

[primal storm]

bump

[primal storm]

buump

[dry lantern]

russian nature

we don't get tired of arguing

[primal storm]

Bump

[primal storm]

Bump

[plain iris]

Bump

[tribal ivy]

Bump

[primal storm]

Bump

[primal storm]

Bump

[primal storm]

Thank you great devs for listening to my other suggestion and opening the roof in the lobby 🙏

[primal storm]

Bump

[queen wyvern]

I’m dead I remember when everyone was clowning that suggestion 😭😭

Good looks I suppose

[primal storm]

lol

[primal storm]

Bump

[primal storm]

Buump

[primal storm]

Bump