How to Revive The Game (RE:)

[high moat]

After a long and hard thought process, I have decided to revise the suggestion
" #1393990658942828724 " and attempt to give new ideas, as well as reach a compromise with people who disagreed with portions on the last, while restating ideas people seemed to like

1. Scale back on quality, more quantity
   Explanation: As mentioned in the last one, we need a smoother update schedule, which means either hiring more developers or scaling back on the quality to produce more updates, remember, just because it looks pretty doesn't mean its fun, most turn off the effects and don't pay attention to the quality anyway

2. Upscale difficulty and make better units come out more often
   Explanation: Lets say you guy's manage to get down to a 2 week update schedule CONSISTENTLY, 2 weeks is long enough to wait before introducing new meta units, game's such as als have issues with power creep due to how fast updates come, with a 2 week schedule, you're perfectly fine to replace bits of the meta with each update, better units give more incentive to play each update to prepare for the next

3. Give us an option to play a shorter, harder, and more rewarding version of game modes
   Explanation: Look, we're just all gonna be honest here, the reason people 🥭 this game is because there's little incentive to play it for long because everything that is a GRIND is kind of easy, and nobody likes staring at their screen for hours with no challenge. To fix this issue I propose the idea of adding "blitz" versions of game modes such as portals with less waves, higher scaling, but more rewards, the lower count of waves gives less time to make money, while the higher scaling would make it a challenge, but it would keep the common causal more entertained and more engaged with the game as to make sure they don't lose

Explanation 2: The "Blitz" version of game modes idea is mostly an attempt to reach an agreement or a compromise with those against a speed multiplier feature.

Have a good day!

[crystal shale]

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[unreal briar]

The powercreep in this game is fine as is idk why people keep acting like it doesn't exist.

Units do get powercrept, but you're just on something if you want the permanent meta units to not be meta.

[high moat]

with each update we get maybe 2-3 units that actually work in the meta, the rest of them are fodder and don't add anything

like when have you ever used delta?

or gohan? Mr satan?

[unreal briar]

Very handy units

Besides mr satan

[high moat]

and yet almost never used by people because many other units are simply BETTER

they're all wasted potential for really good characters

[unreal briar]

..?

You think als doesnt do that?

[high moat]

I never said als doesn't

[unreal briar]

Ofc not 8/8 units are gonna be meta defining

But most units are impactful, without doubt.

[high moat]

Yes, but don't you see the issue when its the minority of units per update?

[unreal briar]

No?

[high moat]

look at for example the bleach update (4.0)
It was yhawch and aizen, with ichigo being submeta for game modes with unit boosts

[unreal briar]

Why would a banner unit need to powercreep to a higher extent

[high moat]

my issue is this

we wait anywhere between 3-4 weeks per update, and we get like 3 usable new units on average

[unreal briar]

Yhwach is self explanatory, aizen is still insanely strong, ichigo is extemely handy for progressives, gissele is a very impactful support, luce is a top 3 support, yama was very good but got replaced by vsjw, kisuke was always meant to be an alu replacement for those without alu.

The only actually irrelevant units were yoruichi and kenpachi and even those werent bad at all

4/9 units being very good is enough

Any more and the powercreep becomes obnoxious

[high moat]

alright, maybe I made a mistake on the powercreep one, ill admit that

it doesnt help im probably not in the right headspace due to being sick, but ill admit that much

[unreal briar]

Upscaling difficulty/Adding more modes where you need powerful units is needed though

[high moat]

yeah, currently someone with meta units doesnt have a single issue with the game difficulty and it becomes numbingly boring

[desert tapir]

Naaah man yoruichi is totally a meta spark and me getting monarch on her was totally a good investment

[high moat]

dude.....im so sorry

[strange shoal]

itll probably change after devs start to dip our toes into mmo-like raids or activities more

something "crazy" awaits us in the future

[desert tapir]

She pairs well with Vergil I swear

[unreal briar]

Boss rush could be made so cool and challenging at the same time

[high moat]

I pity you, heavily

[strange shoal]

i think they're leaning towards mechanical depth opposed to hp scaling or whatever

[unreal briar]

I think its just kinda impossible to make a stage thats challenging for everyone yet beatable f2p in trait gamemodes

[high moat]

honestly, my current issue with boss rushes are the sheer time length for each one for pitiful rewards, sure the token shop are the majority of the rewards, but the boss rush themselves almost never give anything at all, a low chance for a unit for two, and the other one being part of an evolution for a unit that's heavily outdated

[strange shoal]

how? mmo-like raids are exactly that, no?

[unreal briar]

I disagree, if anything i find boss rushes to be the most chill weekly activity

You do 7 of em a week and youre mostly set

[high moat]

I likely should have included this, but I feel as if they ever introduced a "blitz" version for gamemode's Id appreciate them being traitless to level the playing field, making m@cro's impossible while ensuring they only need to balance it around one demographic rather than two separate ones

[unreal briar]

Unless you wanna go for stats which is just not really needed

Theres no making magnos impossible

[high moat]

its possible, they're just afraid of making stuff too hard because it could ward off normal players

[unreal briar]

If a player can do it, magnos can probably do it, unless its tourneys or smth lol

[unreal briar]

Only way to try and do it is making 4 player scaled modes

Which is stupid

And you can just magno with 3 other people

So

[unreal briar]

What im trying to say is a gamemode cant be beatable traitless and be challenging for people with monarchs simultaneously

[strange shoal]

i get it, thats exactly why i said mmo-like raids

you do mechanics which are not dependant on your units at all

you need to learn the mechanic and execute it properly, no matter how many monarchs you have

[unreal briar]

They can time it basically perfectly, magnos now can just find moving units like kaguya and upgrade them lol

You genuinely cannot do anything

[strange shoal]

which evens out the ground imo

[unreal briar]

I wouldnt mind that but i think a lot of people wouldnt be stoked about smth like that, though it is probably worth experimenting with

So long as its feasible solo idrc

[unreal briar]

But if youre tryna make a mode like that your focus cannot be making it unmagnoable

[high moat]

nah, im sure it'll be possible one day, someone will think of a solution one day

[strange shoal]

cid raid was a start, though what concerns me the most is that

it didnt work for like 2 days

how can they do more complex stages

[high moat]

it shouldn't be a primary focus, but a third or a fourth focus to keep as an afterthought

[strange shoal]

if they cant even code basic number gimmick properly

i digress

[unreal briar]

See this poll is just disingenuous. Do you think the results would be similar if the mechanic was specified to be handcuffs or the cid nuke

[unreal briar]

It shouldnt be a focus at all

[strange shoal]

that was after cid raid im pretty sure

[unreal briar]

It was

[strange shoal]

handcuffs is just an annoyance, its not the main mechanic

[unreal briar]

BUt the framing of the question is very one sided

[strange shoal]

they were talking about the number mechanic

[unreal briar]

Its not that people dont want unique mechanics, its that people dont want annoying mechanics

[high moat]

No, it should, as someone who uses them here and there, its fucking pathetic

[unreal briar]

The question is just "unique mechanic or magno"

[unreal briar]

Thats just a you problem man

If i can magno i will, you can try and stop it, they have, and theyve failed

Pyseph went and made random spawns to piss off non formal and he fixed his shit in 3 hours

😭 🙏

[high moat]

nah, I miss the actual grind of roblox games that used to exist, replacing it with a program to play the game for you proves you never have fun with the process to begin with, whats the point of playing it then?

[unreal briar]

If i can automate a tedious task, i will

Regardless of the game

And good on you if you enjoy doing 1k cid act 2 runs, i personally dont

So yeah

Maybe make the game less magno dependent and easy to manually play and people wont magno as much

[high moat]

I feel as if playing a videogame that is GOOD, shouldn't be tedious at all, yet the devs and the community both reject most suggestions that are meant to wire the game back together in a less tedious way

[unreal briar]

Just a hunch

Youre on roblox

Thats just a given tbh

The meta is making a game like gag

[high moat]

I was gonna respond to this but lost my train of thought halfway in and then just deleted the rest

[strange shoal]

they need to overhaul the system overall

[unreal briar]

Yeah probably

I personally like boss rushes because theyre the only thing i manually do

Because i can do like 10 of em and dip

Unlike most things in this game

[high moat]

Im indifferent to them, they give okay rewards, and dont have to do too many a week, but they get so damn boring quickly

[strange shoal]

i would even go as far as to say that i'd prefer time gated units from raids/legend stages

like some mmos

[high moat]

even with MVP leechers it felt tedious and I just wanted to quit asap

[strange shoal]

you do some runs every day

earn currency

[unreal briar]

I dont mind the boring part because its 7 runs spread between 7 days

[strange shoal]

5 runs a day for 3 days

[unreal briar]

Thats not that bad imo

[strange shoal]

guaranteed unit

[high moat]

my issue is that like

I shouldn't be bored dawg

and then people wanna say some shit like "Oh, ALS is bad because it dopamine farms"

Like no shot, a development team wants to make their playerbase....HAPPY?

[plucky jungle]

And guilds

[unreal briar]

Well its a roblox atd

Als also is very boring to me, i play it for dopamine

[strange shoal]

guilds were confirmed 2309482904823 times

[unreal briar]

And cuz i can magno on my old setuo

[strange shoal]

theres even a room for them

on the map

[high moat]

they confirmed guilds, they just said it wasnt coming soon

[strange shoal]

no reason to add ts into suggestion

[unreal briar]

Yeah thats the issue they were confirmed 5 months ago but we're yet to receive any communication about what they will look like or when we can expect them

[plucky jungle]

It should come soon then 🤯 🤯 🤯

[strange shoal]

well, there were reformations in their team

the way its headed towards changed alot im guessing

[plucky jungle]

What does your role mean

[unreal briar]

An entire update being focused on pvp will never fail to baffle me

[high moat]

see, my thing with als is that there's never stuff to NOT do, there's always something to grind and it never seems too boring because most stuff is quick and then before you know it you're moving onto the next part of a quest to grind

[strange shoal]

changed priorities and etc

[ember orbit]

They ARE hiring new programmers though!! So yayyy Dev team expansion

[strange shoal]

its just an artist but for other stuff besides drawing

[high moat]

they really thought we'd be interested in a competitive gamemode

[unreal briar]

There being stuff to do doesnt make the stuff not boring

[strange shoal]

vfx, music, modelling and etc.

[unreal briar]

I dont think anyone finds doing 35 starkk raids not boring

Or 45 frieren boss rushes

[strange shoal]

its probably good for the future idk

[unreal briar]

Its a non functioning gamemode

Thats already basically dead

[strange shoal]

maybe in the long run itll help the game somewhat

[high moat]

No

Pvp will never be good for the future, it's boring, its not fun

[plucky jungle]

Team pvp would’ve been fun

[high moat]

it is by far the worst gamemode even without bugs

[high moat]

Id actually take the dandadan dungeon over that horrible shit

[steady knoll]

Astd x taught others that the only reasonable timelapse to release a pvp system in atd is in launch time

Every other window is gonna piss people off

[unreal briar]

I dont think most people care about pvp in astd x tho

[steady knoll]

And thats the point

It went pass by

Instead of beign demolished by community

[neon laurel]

Its fun till u realize that u can cheese it by turning off wave skip and fuck the other guy

[unreal briar]

Thats true

Well i hate astd x anyway cant bring myself to play it

[high moat]

Ive never found it fun, it just seems like the worst way to implement a PvP system because imo

PvP does not fucking work in a TD

[high moat]

its not even bad, I think it does a few things better than av, at least imo, at least challenges actually have a use there outside of rerolls and a few essence stones

[neon laurel]

Imo, feels better than av pvp

[unreal briar]

Hell no bro those challenges are god awful

Me when i lock every unit ascension behind like 15 fucking challenge runs

Nobody even tested half of these

[high moat]

I literally did like...6 and got my unit ascended, I don't know what you're talking about

[steady knoll]

They buffed ghosrs recently but i agree having them chance based is horrendous

[unreal briar]

You got fucking lucky then

Takes like 3/4 of a drop thats 30%

[neon laurel]

Well, if u think about, its just the essence stones

[unreal briar]

5 for akainu

[high moat]

wait were you not doing expert? doesnt expert buff it to like 50-60%

Am I tweaking? (I might be)

[unreal briar]

Yes

[neon laurel]

Plis the challenges arent hard unless they are ranfom units in the last 2 maps

[unreal briar]

Regular doesnt even drop t3 rainbows

[unreal briar]

Theyre tedious

[high moat]

meh, makes sense considering the expert challenges are barely difficult

[unreal briar]

Also the best thing i have to do in the game in try and get akainu dupes

Because getting 3 akainus is more realistic than getting 3 dupes of a banner unit

🥀

[neon laurel]

They take 5m average, 4 if u good

Daily gives 2 if u do it in the harder mode

[unreal briar]

Yeah 5m per gets boring once youve done it enough, but anyway, i just dont enjoy the game

Just feels like astd aafied

[neon laurel]

Fair

[unreal briar]

The coolest feature they added, ie the skill trees, are unfeasible to max in most cases

The best unit in the game might as well be impossible to get

The game looks worse than als did 6 months ago

Traits are less farmable than they are in av somehow

And most units are hella bland

We have 3 red hills now because yeah

2 of them being burn

[river kayak]

i disagree with the first one
i feel like the only reason why people like av over other games is because is the only one that care about quality over quantity but like you mention is something than most people doesn't care and only want content to do (we need individual units vfw)

2.Units get powercreep with every upd, just because is not a massive powercreep like other games doesn't mean the game lack of it and i feel like people will get annoyed when their spend too much resources for a unit that will get powercreep soon

3. Most stages last around 5-8 minutes so idk how would it even work if the main idea is making it faster

the issue with it game is just that the gamemodes are either really easy and worthless to do after a few tries or become the most annoying shit but you forced to do so for the rewards (cid raid and odyssey)

How to revive av:
Execute the person behind pvp gamemode and pvp only passives

[unreal sapphire]

But they're the one that makes units cool and balanced

[river kayak]

i will never forgive how dirty merlin was done

considering she had more vanguard potential than kaguya

[unreal sapphire]

Eh

I dunno if I really agree with that

[ember orbit]

I mean the units from update 6 are pretty strong compared to update 5...

[unreal sapphire]

I think Kaguya had way more potential to make a cool and flashy kit out of

Popularity had nothing to do with it

[plucky jungle]

Bro kaguya isn’t even a side character

[river kayak]

her whole passive and domain stuff kaguya have is something merlin could do
considering the fact that games are included for a unit design (kaguya nuke and merlin shiny model) she could have more

[plucky jungle]

She’s a side side character

[unreal sapphire]

[river kayak]

merlin have a full ass passive in 7ds grand cross related to elements

[unreal sapphire]

Kaguya's still cooler to do tbh

[ember orbit]

I still think Kaguya's cooler though...

[plucky jungle]

How to fix AV: faster updates + guilds🔥🔥🔥😍😍😍😍

[strange shoal]

what

most passives are fire

what are you on

[river kayak]

i mean pvp only passives

[strange shoal]

i see

[river kayak]

guild: just damage farming for 8 months

[strange shoal]

luckily we are getting something better than this

[plucky jungle]

😍😍😍

[neon laurel]

The light bills are getting higher with this one 🗣️ 🗣️

[gaunt wadi]

I like this

I think having short runs is cool

[vapid linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387156947874222141/1387407801529405450/togif.gif

live laugh hate pvp

wake up sleep don't play av because of pvp repeat

[spare trout]

2. is just some big cap

av barely do huge powercreep

if anythinf update 4 units are still meta

gg units are meta but rely heavily on supports

[rigid trail]

Turn the game into ALS

I love av bc they dont upscale that fast

I love it by its quality

Obivously, giving an easy game + thousands of rrs + infinite content will get many players fast

[high moat]

literally nobody was advocating for those first two parts

[rigid trail]

The thing is making a game like AA, in the Future the content will be so many that anyone who joins It wont need to worry only abt recent updates

[high moat]

in fact this suggestion quite literally advocates for the opposite of that first one

[rigid trail]

• The quality It ever has

[high moat]

this game will NOT have a future if it keeps up at the pace it's been going

[rigid trail]

The Pace isnt the problem

The thing is the recent slop updates

[high moat]

and you completely miss that I didnt mean that in a literal sense about the update schedule...

[rigid trail]

Bleach update got many players, with few content complexity

Basically only rift was a big thing

Not even that big

[high moat]

also I just want to quickly point out

the reason people have an issue with als powercreep is because it's weekly updates
when you factor in how long av takes to update, increasing the powercreep slightly is way less of a problem

[rigid trail]

AA also got a bad powercreep

Even with monthly updates

I couldnt even catch UP on the secret before the update come

[high moat]

we aint talking about AA because that's actually dead

lets not compare the game we want AV to be with AA at all

[rigid trail]

And the secret of the last update was already useless

[rigid trail]

Schedule, Events, Original Concept

all pretty similar

[high moat]

no wonder AV is in the spot it's in right now

[rigid trail]

Since av development is even before AA got out

[high moat]

jokes aside, they need to fix the update schedule, its fucking horrendous

like 90% of this game currently is grinding rerolls or flowers
we wait a month for an update and likely finish everything in 2-3 days

[rigid trail]

6.0 and 6.5 were slop updates, no one gaf abt PvP and GG and this event was just a reskin of Winter

Devs themself Said it

They said Summer would be different

[high moat]

No, but we're gonna consider the fact that this event also raised it back up to 80k ccu at times

its the update schedule being the reason this game is in the shitter right now

this game would overshadow als and astd x if they would just actually update the game

[crimson schooner]

Comp AV tourney

[high moat]

but watch, they're gonna cover up for it again by restating "we want a small playerbase for more freedom"

while huffing copium down left and right

[rigid trail]

UP to 80k but a reskin cant keep people many time on It

When people saw that was only another 0.001 unit with slop banner units they quit

I myself got Kaguya after 3m flowers and quit the event imediately

Im only grinding rrs and tournaments rn

[crimson schooner]

Limited events are incredibly grueling

[rigid trail]

Like update 6.5 doesnt even existed

Some people dont want to get Kaguya, to how hard and unrewarding It is

[crimson schooner]

I personally don’t like the Idea of limited 1/20K units being broken to be honest.

[high moat]

personally

the old devs did vanguard units better

imma fucking say it

[crimson schooner]

RS

[high moat]

original developers knew what the fuck they were doing

[spare trout]

"units being broken to be honest"

?

kaguya isnt that broken

[high moat]

limited 1/20k units should've stayed as trophy units that would not change meta, but would be a flex

[spare trout]

her best use is support

[high moat]

meta support

[spare trout]

not dps

[rigid trail]

These devs takes are disgusting actually, i agree with you

[crimson schooner]

I said meta

[spare trout]

but broken is the wrong word to say it?

[crimson schooner]

Not meta dps or anything of that

Yeah but I did exaggerate it

[spare trout]

no, you said broken

[high moat]

meta support with like 50-100k dps last I checked (we're counting monarch because thats the only way to use her)

[crimson schooner]

Kaguya is just a excellent support

[spare trout]

she only have 68k dps

[crimson schooner]

My apologies on that

[high moat]

A "support" shouldnt have more dps and a decent aoe than most units

[spare trout]

she dont have 100k dps

[rigid trail]

Limited vanguards as a trophy was the best Idea they had, also best Idea they scrap

[high moat]

"only" while being a "support"

[crimson schooner]

Andre save us ❤️‍🩹 🗣️

[high moat]

68k dps is more dps than most actual meta dps in the game (I think at least with base numbers)

and yet she's a "support"

[crimson schooner]

It’s only for like one attack no?

With her domains

[spare trout]

so baiken is allowed to have 130k dps while being meta support and shes only a secret rarity I think?

[rigid trail]

No

[spare trout]

but kaguya IS NOT ALLOWED?

WHAT ARE WE THINKING

[rigid trail]

68k with monarch

It can Go UP to 100k+

With domains

[high moat]

literally where does baiken have 130k dps (i didnt bother to get her)

(cuz pvp is ass)

[spare trout]

yo

this guy does NOT know how

baiken work LOL

[high moat]

dont have her cuz pvp is ass

[rigid trail]

You ARE high rn i supose @spare trout

[spare trout]

im not wrong

[rigid trail]

Baiken isnt doing a shot against strong enemies

I got your point

[spare trout]

nor is kaguya

her dimensions are pretty awful

[rigid trail]

But baiken is extremely overrated by her 15 wave capacity

[rigid trail]

Lol

Did u see the repulse?

The map wide freeze?

The damage buff to ALL Units?

[high moat]

legit kaguya's issue is that shes fucking limited while being meta support with insanely good dps

[spare trout]

for 2s

That's not enough

[high moat]

oh and she's also a bitch to obtain, AND she's not even a cool character

[spare trout]

and repulse is only for 1s?

[rigid trail]

Saddest thing is that If someone got her and cant get monarch she is basically useless

I got her and Monarched her in the same minute

[high moat]

thats another thing dawg

like really? I need to get this 0 melanin having bitch AND I gotta roll monarch? fucking bullshit

[rigid trail]

Not using a 1 placement without monarch

🙏

[high moat]

sometimes the av developers give me motivation, not because they're doing really good

but because they're giving me a demonstration in real time of what NOT to do when I begin development on my own game

[rigid trail]

10 studs back dawg

It like the best repulse ingame

It repulse even bosses

Only Aizen when loses a life stock do it

[rigid trail]

Eren will be another must have monarch

Just watch

Pyseph said he is the most broken unit next update prob

[high moat]

legit when that happens I may just quit and go all in on development myself because atp roblox would need some kind of a win

unless its a quest vanguard

[crimson schooner]

Just waiting for UTD atp

Make Vanguards pure cosmetic and give them the most beautiful cosmetics ❤️‍🩹

[high moat]

real shit

we love grind based progression instead of rng based progression

[rigid trail]

Diavolo situation

[crimson schooner]

But the currency obtainment was brutal

Blehh.

[rigid trail]

Only the ability can still save him for lb runs

[crimson schooner]

Is it a one time use on enemies

Like If they were rewinded once they can’t be affected by the ability again.

[rigid trail]

Bro will cook

But always the guys with the best ideas

Got the shittiest ideas hidden

So they can ruin their own game

[spare trout]

so uw ill play the game if eren is the new vanguard but u obtain him the same way u did for vsjw?

[unreal sapphire]

Then people bitch and complain about the rare vanguards being paperweights.

[rigid trail]

Only enemies in range ARE affected

Already saw people using him marksman

Instead of monarch

Bc his dps is useless on a inf run

Any other dps unit that isnt Vsjw, Choy or Cid is useless on runs atm

[crimson schooner]

😿

[rigid trail]

people will always complain

[unreal sapphire]

Exactly

[whole pelican]

Different people

Can't please them all

[rigid trail]

but i think

idk

maybe the best thing is making Limited Vanguards as trophies

and grindy ones as meta

but It would be like 2 different rarities

[steady knoll]

I would prefer to not have limited vanguards at all if they re just trophies tbh

Only a very minor percentage of the community would bother getting them otherwise

[unreal sapphire]

That was literally what happened with DDD

On top of the event itself just being awful

[tame kettle]

diavolo? are we deadass

[kind obsidian]

they lowkey needa copy als formula

[tame kettle]

no

[kind obsidian]

als is doing well rn

and an update is near

[limpid onyx]

Tds astdx als the big 3 now

[tame kettle]

rather than keep the game high quality overall than do slop updates

[kind obsidian]

whats tds

[tame kettle]

n av takinf steps towards new mechs

[limpid onyx]

Tower defense simulator

[kind obsidian]

oh

thats not anime tho

[limpid onyx]

Tru

[kind obsidian]

lower players rn too

I forced my self to play als

and I had alot of negatives but the positives I found surprised me

like the kits in the game are actually interesting

[limpid onyx]

Wait till Wednesday its beating als

[kind obsidian]

no crap

but als is dry too

ish

theres a summer event rn

also what the hell is wrong with av devs

they always name things the wrong way

like why would they work on a spring event

who celebrates spring

and they dropped it in like peak summer

[forest prism]

if u get both deadeye go hand can reach 100% crit combed with him

[forest prism]

diavlo

[neon flicker]

The first two ideas are horrendous, but the last one is almost great.

This game does NOT need to be bi-weekly, thats genuinely absurd to expect from them.

I could see them going bi-weekly but having 2 0.33 updates between major ones, but thats realistically the only way we'd ever see AV getting on a "decent" bi-weekly schedule

And scaling back the quality is such a goofy idea, thats like the only thing AV has over ALS and ASTDX, if we take that away it'd actually kill the game more since we know this game'll never get to a weekly update schedule like those two.

But like I said in the first message, an (unmacroable) blitz mode with no cap on rewards would be great, a much nicer way for later game players to be able to get stuff and without adding faster speeds.

[ember orbit]

Heyyyy they're hiring new programmers so like... Updates, units, bug fixes, pretty much everything else will be quicker now, no?? 🤔

[neon flicker]

bro who celebrates any season...

are you over here celebrating seasons every year or something?

[kind obsidian]

Fr

[ember orbit]

It's actually crazy how SBR was our only .75 update so far

[neon flicker]

they are SEASONAL updates is why they work on them to answer your question

they are supposed to last for 3 months each

winter overextended

which is why spring got released so late and will end early

my guess would be their goal is to release the winter seasonal event in mid-late november or very early december and have it last until late jan - early/mid feb

[ember orbit]

Maybe it'd be cool to like have a like some units and a map already made from a certain anime to drop as a .75 once in a while...

[neon flicker]

sbr?

[ember orbit]

Idk just maybe

[ember orbit]

Steel Ball Run update

[round hazel]

sbr part 2 confirmed by me

[neon flicker]

i'd consider that content so old its nolonger reliable information on the game tbh

[ember orbit]

So real it's coming tomorrow

[neon laurel]

The roaring vanguard

[ember orbit]

Yknow that could be cool maybe once we get more RK content

[neon laurel]

Igris skin 🙏

[ember orbit]

ONG

[neon laurel]

Or kris and the knight as vsjw

[ember orbit]

Theoretically speaking he kind of is a roaring Knight

He's a knight (duh) and he roars in his boss fight

And he also has cool sword attacks and shit

[ember orbit]

But then we gotta put the summons in question

Healer could lowkey be Ralsei...?

[neon laurel]

Horse ralsei as the bear 🤔

[ember orbit]

🤔

Beru could possibly be.....

Uhhhh

[neon laurel]

Susie

[ember orbit]

I was thinking the same thing

[neon laurel]

Oh wait, the bear could be asgore with his truck

[ember orbit]

SO TUFF

[neon laurel]

Ong

[ember orbit]

The Bergentruck...

[neon laurel]

This is the way to revive the game

[ember orbit]

Ong

The VSJW summons are Bear, Healer, Steel, and Beru right?

[neon laurel]

Yep

[brisk narwhal]

my sjw from 4 months ago is still the best unit in the game and he can solo everything in the game by himself

[round hazel]

gachiakuta update will save av

ts so incredibly peak

[brisk narwhal]

atp getting new units is just for collection

[ember orbit]

Tenna would be cool as Steel maybe... He's big, and he's tanky, and his Tie (the item) gives a lot of defense doesn't it

[neon laurel]

The other i can think of is the checker that roulxs summons, checker king? Cant remember lol

[ember orbit]

That could work!!

[high moat]

Gachiakuta is absolute peak

I can just tell it’s gonna be a contender for anime of the year

[forest prism]

one could argue sukuna update

[round hazel]

i wish every day was sunday bro

theres gonna be 22 more ep

thats 22 more weeks until peak

[somber furnace]

Make the quest harder dawg

Ts game so easy

[steady knoll]

Which will most likely not happen until end of the year if we reach that point

[unreal briar]

"The once in 3 months, hardest to grind unit, whose rarity implies being permanently meta, is permanently meta!"

If you dont think units like dante, vergil, cid, baiken, lfelt, kaguya and mark are extremely strong then idk what to tell you

I dont even know what to say when the game yall use to try and show what powercreep is had the same unit be top 1 for like 3 months

And he still arguably is

[gaunt wadi]

Yh

[high moat]

sukuna was a 1.1

[forest prism]

still in between a .0 and .5 update

[kind obsidian]

lowkey think auto upgrade should be a thing

people claim its lazy

but you cant use it for every mode

its like auto skip wave

like u gotta turn it off and focus sometimes

and the rest u can chill

I dont like spending time in an easy mode being focused on upgrading farms & waiting for money

[unreal sapphire]

Absolutely not

[kind obsidian]

explain

[unreal sapphire]

Because it's just an overly boring and lazy feature and they've already decided that it's never getting added.

[kind obsidian]

So reductive

And no new points

[unreal sapphire]

It doesn't need more than that.

[round hazel]

holy shit als has ads

watchable ads

brandon is a tycoon mastermind

[high moat]

see, personally

[round hazel]

hes got a bounty on his head for dmca

[high moat]

I lowkey respect him on a business standpoint, dudes out here making money

and like

he IS making them optional but offering free rewards to watch the ads

[round hazel]

making them required is not an option

[high moat]

which, he got the idea down perfectly, doesnt ward off players, brings in ad revenue

[round hazel]

no one would play the game

[high moat]

exactly

[kind obsidian]

not new

[high moat]

from the last time I played it was

[round hazel]

im not an als fanboy bruhta

[kind obsidian]

also my ads are nothing

[round hazel]

first time back on the game in months to evo my mystical cglitch guts

[high moat]

Nice, I havent been on in a while really

still gotta get cid

[kind obsidian]

let me know if guts is meta

[round hazel]

3m on placement with overlord

must be mta

meta

i saw a ss

[high moat]

doesnt mean automatic meta

wait no

with overlord

eh might be

[round hazel]

either way every update is extreme power creep

[kind obsidian]

deploy cost

what abilies

[round hazel]

9 times outta ten he is meta

[high moat]

doesnt mean shit

[kind obsidian]

important to me tbh

[round hazel]

bro do you understand the farming system in this game

[high moat]

highest deployment cost is 5k so far and it hasnt bothered anyone

[round hazel]

you can afford any unit after w1

[high moat]

depends on the abilities and passives now, damage could also be really low at max upgrade

[kind obsidian]

breh

[round hazel]

more laziness

how could someone look at this shit and think "av needs this"

[high moat]

the auto upgrading absolutely not

but like

[kind obsidian]

its nice tho

[high moat]

I kinda like the new UI for the upgrading over AV's

[kind obsidian]

like als is deadass harder than av

[round hazel]

the ui is great

[high moat]

No

wrong

objectively wrong

[kind obsidian]

it is

[high moat]

higher Hp numbers doesnt mean harder

[round hazel]

also outsourced by foreign designers getting paid horribly

[round hazel]

???

brandon has this dude by the throat

[kind obsidian]

I can make a 🥭 comfortably in av than I can in als

like u need to be meta or you flop

this is my view as a new als player

[round hazel]

yo youre smart

[kind obsidian]

I have no bias

[round hazel]

my guy

acting like vsjw doesnt exist

acting like yhwach doesnt exist

[kind obsidian]

ofc he does

but als has like 10 vsjws and they are hard as shit to grind for

[round hazel]

bro

ima pretend like

i didnt see your message

[kind obsidian]

ok

[round hazel]

you still have time to delete ts and reflect

[clever pivot]

goku is right and wrong

[high moat]

I play both and have 0 bias either

literally all of the new content of als I can just place a unit, set to auto upgrade and go afk for 5 minutes

[kind obsidian]

cuz ur meta

[high moat]

at least AV sometimes has me realizing imma bout to mess up if I dont quickly focus the fuck up

[kind obsidian]

as a new player in als I felt like I had to climb fast or else I couldn't do shit

in av its chiller

you are scaled better due to low power creep

[round hazel]

do you not understand how easy it is to grind for new units

that are mainly second/third/fourth evos

[kind obsidian]

av just started doing quest units like vsjw

idk why u think av is harder

[round hazel]

no?

put this into perspective

how many als players can solo every single gamemode

[kind obsidian]

maybe ur offended you might've thought I meant "skill"

[round hazel]

objectively av is harder than als

its just factual

[kind obsidian]

hell no

[round hazel]

ok answer me then

[round hazel]

.

just a generalization

[kind obsidian]

like none with glitched metas

every is a stretch

breaches are hard to do without nukes

[round hazel]

what are you on about

[kind obsidian]

portals too

[round hazel]

just give me a percentage

estimated

[kind obsidian]

buddy thinks I'm a researcher

[round hazel]

.

why are you dodging

answer my question so i can make my point clear

🤐

[kind obsidian]

for every right

every mode

maybe 30% - 20%

[round hazel]

every mode

okay lets meet in the middle

25

tell me how many av players can solo ex stage

[high moat]

dude

just quit wasting your time

[round hazel]

you right

[high moat]

neither side will agree, which makes the argument pointless

neither side will gain a new perspective, making it a waste of time on both parties

[round hazel]

this is true for almost all discord arguments gang

but i know what you mean

wont waste my time on smb who just denies but cant provide

[high moat]

Nah, you can have an ACTUAL intellectual argument, had a few before through discord, just gotta be in the right server talking to the right people

[kind obsidian]

dude idk what ur saying

im not a researcher

so I wouldnt know

[round hazel]

dont need to be a researcher to know that 99 percent of av players cant solo ex

im done tho

[kind obsidian]

what

no crap

you just compared, als, every mode and stage. (how many can solo) to av, ex stage (how many can solo) and clapped ur hands

ex stage is optional too

[high moat]

dawg just quit the arguing, not only is it off topic from the suggestion, but the other side has already stopped arguing

[kind obsidian]

whatever man

[delicate niche]

ain't no way 2 out of three of your suggestions are reduce the quality of the game and increase powercreep

[high moat]

mf im tired of waiting 4-5 weeks per update while the game slowly dies

meanwhile weekly updates keep a game afloat with like 3-4x ccu that's arguably worse

[unreal briar]

This als update dogshit ngl

[unreal briar]

Half of that is bots tbh

[high moat]

nah its decent

gave my boy kirito an ex

[unreal briar]

Its ass

[high moat]

kirito deserve more love in TD's

[unreal briar]

Yeah bro why fucking kirito he didnt need ts

[high moat]

because he was BAD before???

[unreal briar]

Casca watching from the side

[high moat]

fuck Casca

Id say it louder but Griffith already did that

[unreal briar]

He was NOT bad

[high moat]

dawg I have him with overlord, 2nd evo rn

like

not even 200M damage

10 second cooldown

ASS

fucking guts was better (before this upd)

[unreal briar]

I have him glitched glorious like 4 other light units and he didnt need ts

[magic flume]

He was one of the better early game units

[unreal briar]

Yeah lmao

1k placement, has very strong passives

Instantly does 33% more dps in dark stages

[high moat]

and yet nobody was using him and people were upset when he got a rare ass skin

[unreal briar]

Their fault gang

[high moat]

its not their fault

its because he was bad, its because there were way better options

[unreal briar]

Do we not see the tierlist or

[high moat]

being good early game doesnt mean shit

placement cost barely means shit

after the 2nd wave you can afford anything

[unreal briar]

List 4 light units better overall

[unreal briar]

??😭

[high moat]

if im placing gilgamesh on wave 3 each game the placement cost doesnt matter for hell

[copper pine]

uh ichigo giglamesh yuta and luffy

[unreal briar]

Triple godly team

🔥 🔥

[copper pine]

you said list 3 units

4

[magic flume]

Luffy💔

[copper pine]

luffy is better💔

[unreal briar]

Luffy is immediately made irrelevant by the fact that gil and ichigo exist

[high moat]

not in this context

[unreal briar]

Got bro glitched glorious and i never use him lol

[magic flume]

Idk if he's better
But remembering luffy exists is just depressing
They did him so dirty with the rework

[unreal briar]

My god, the context is "4 units better overall", no luffy isnt better overall when you literally cannot bring him

[copper pine]

Yes he is

[unreal briar]

Unless youre stupid

[copper pine]

He is better

[high moat]

you never said they HAD to be on the same team

[unreal briar]

Yeah man replace gilgamesh or ichigo with luffy good one

[copper pine]

You don’t have too

[unreal briar]

Genuine strawman argument

[copper pine]

You just said list 4 better units

[unreal briar]

😭 🙏

[copper pine]

Never said they had to be on the same team

[unreal briar]

A unit isnt better if its not possible to bring it 👍

[copper pine]

It is possible to bring

I don’t see your point

[high moat]

your whole argument was "name 4 light units better than kirito"
he did
he fucking did
just because the answer didn't allign with a set of rules you never said doesnt mean its wrong

[unreal briar]

If you wanna argue based on the sole technicality of "oh you just said better overall " the go on

And even then id personally say the 2.2m to max unit isnt better

💀

[high moat]

well regardless, he got the ex

so womp fucking womp

kirito's cool

[unreal briar]

I dont give a fuck i have him glitched glorious 😭

[high moat]

now my 0.1% skin is actually fucking useful

or whatever the low ass number was

his pirate capsule skin

[unreal briar]

Theres units from berserk that couldve used the boost way more, and would objectively make more sense.

If you dont understand that then good on you

[copper pine]

They boosted two good units

Idk wdym

[high moat]

So? Most people care about guts and Griffith, thats it

unless they've either read the manga or watched the dogshit adaptation from the 2010's or smth

[steady knoll]

is that really made in 2010

seemed like early 2000

[high moat]

I forget the exact year

but the one with the really bad animation

that one

[high moat]

it was 2012, looked it up

[strange shoal]

hey, can i dm you something? my suggestion got blocked 3rd time, idk what is getting flagged, i would like to hear what you think, its not too long

i jsut want some opinions ive been trying to post ts for a couple of days atp

genuinely dont know what is getting flagged

[unreal sapphire]

What's the suggestion about?

[strange shoal]

raids and overall things (gamemodes, engagement and etc.)

[thick jackal]

Yea thats kinda true gojo is a upd 1 unit and he is still usable and actully submeta

[steady knoll]

Which is a problem every td has, not just this one

Theres a flaw that doesnt let every added unit to make it into the meta

So you have to rely on making them usable on specific situations

[kind obsidian]

clown

[deft fractal]

💀 didn’t expect this

[nocturne marlin]

he tryna ragebait u

[rigid trail]

uhhh

update content is basically trading

bc most of people already finished all the update content in 1 day

[unreal sapphire]

he's doing a pretty bad job with it tbh

[sonic furnace]

Why is this suggestion still open..?

[fresh kindle]

This sounds exactly like ALS bro

[nocturne marlin]

why the person that made this got ban

[sage jay]

My goat averagexfire got banned?

How depressing

[tame kettle]

how is this still up