Upscale AV

[deep elk]

is this the dumbest statement ive ever seen

[ionic halo]

The Player count was at 5k and i truly think she gotta be the second rarest shiny ingame. No biased

[sleek solstice]

are you saying im wrong?

bro im not the one saying shiny subaru should be second or third

clearly you think that should be the case because ur excuse is it was 5k ccu during his time

[deep elk]

you just said subaru is still obtainable because of his portals

[timid magnet]

Yeah but the 5k who were playing mostly had macaroni so 🤷

Still prob right

[sleek solstice]

i'm confused

what does that have to do with him getting his spot at #2 ?

[sleek solstice]

or #3

[deep elk]

hes not obtainble bro 😭

[sleek solstice]

Werent known during those time

[timid magnet]

Real ones know jinmax

[deep elk]

and yes, ccu has a HUGE impact on a units exclusivity

[sleek solstice]

Okay, whatever but his portal never got deleted so if someone still has his portal then they can use it and obtain Subaru that way.

[midnight grotto]

Heh I got the Miku skin

Noobs

[deep elk]

if spring event ended right now, diavolo would still be much more rare than kaguya

[ionic halo]

Even tho i Do want to Put oil in the fire

[deep elk]

okay so that just means that every portal is a subaru?

[ionic halo]

Many ppl including me got his evo item duped

[sleek solstice]

That's true but when he is the first wl unit to have duped portals? There's no doubt that he won't receive the third position as the rarest shiny unit

[deep elk]

i dont understand how your point has any relevancy

[deep elk]

yeah ive got 3 of the tomes

[ionic halo]

And could just ask for one in supp server

[deep elk]

but not 3 subarus

[ionic halo]

Idk about shiny subaru tho

[timid magnet]

THIS DOESNT MATTER

WHO CARES

[deep elk]

esdeath had duped portals too

whats your point

[sleek solstice]

esdeath never had a portal

wdym

[deep elk]

ice portal?

[midnight grotto]

Hopefully Esdeath gets high value because she's actually fucking bustedddd with marked Elphelt

[ionic halo]

You could open a ticket if the support Server was still open

[sleek solstice]

am I correct on this??

[deep elk]

or whatever its name was

[midnight grotto]

She did

[deep elk]

no you arent bro

[sleek solstice]

oh then

ur still wrong anyways

no proof on her being duped

[deep elk]

oh makes sense

lol

[sleek solstice]

show me proof and ill admit that i'm wrong

[ionic halo]

One question why is esdeath included to be restored in the support server

[deep elk]

proof that she was duped?

[ionic halo]

I never got that

[midnight grotto]

During her TS she buffs Passion and Water right

[deep elk]

tf

[ionic halo]

Like

[midnight grotto]

I forgot

[sleek solstice]

u cant get esdeath anyways

tickets full

[ionic halo]

Why did they add her name with ragna and subaru

Nah like what issue did she have

[sleek solstice]

hmm

idk

dont see anything regarding isdeath's issues related to portals in #「📚」update-log

[ionic halo]

Cuz subaru and i think ragna got duped, their items i think and thats why they were included

Idk about ragna

But did esdeath also have that issue?

[deep elk]

i have multiple rapiers

[ionic halo]

This is a question btw cuz i have 0 clue

[midnight grotto]

She evo'd with Demon Chalice didn't she

Oh

[deep elk]

yeah

[midnight grotto]

Talking about ragna

[deep elk]

a cup thing

[ionic halo]

I had the subaru bug but i got esdeath shortly before she left

So she either had the same Problems subaru had or idk what

[midnight grotto]

Esdeath might have high value for having goated support

[ionic halo]

Fr?

[deep elk]

yeah

many people do

[ionic halo]

Then i really have no clue why they included esdeath besides ragna and subaru in the support server

Maybe she had also a dupe issue that i didnt know of

[midnight grotto]

Good timestop, love affection mark, buff, good freeze, synergy with a lot of characters

If Esdeath got a skin in this spring banner i'd run her with Rimuru

[deep elk]

top 2 rarest skins?

what are they chat

[midnight grotto]

Good question

[deep elk]

speedwagon no question is 1

[midnight grotto]

Common ones from DDD banner

Oh

We counting that?

[sleek solstice]

Isthar

[deep elk]

bundle ones will easily be higher

[sleek solstice]

$100 skin

[midnight grotto]

Ishtar

[deep elk]

salter dress skin is rareer

[ionic halo]

What would she be worth tho

[deep elk]

rarer

[sleek solstice]

how?

[midnight grotto]

100$

[sleek solstice]

alter was one of the most popular updates

[ionic halo]

Icl many ppl including ne bought that

[sleek solstice]

so she has more copies

yeah

[ionic halo]

[sleek solstice]

isthar was during fate update

right?

[charred mica]

100 dollars and looks cool

[deep elk]

werent they both 100

[midnight grotto]

More people care about saber than Ishtar

[charred mica]

wasint there only 1, 100 dollar skin?

[midnight grotto]

Considering she's ass

[ionic halo]

Ye

[sleek solstice]

No.

[ionic halo]

Wdym

Oh

Frick

I missread

[midnight grotto]

Hear me out now. How many people have the Gon skin equipped rn. Too few people, they sold it all

🤔

[ionic halo]

Nah no one Selling their skins even if its rare

I still got mine 🗣️

[midnight grotto]

I got mine on too

[ionic halo]

The jogoat skin has 1000 aura

[midnight grotto]

ONG

[ionic halo]

Calling ppl peasents

[midnight grotto]

Immaculate drip

His ice too shiny

They'll kill him

[deep elk]

i missed goku and virgil skins

only ones

[midnight grotto]

Haha

I still got the Goku and Vegeta skin

OH

Bundle

[midnight grotto]

Did you know

[deep elk]

mainly because i didnt feel like scripting for robux

[midnight grotto]

That if you use the low class skin on secret Goku

[deep elk]

cant be bothered to spend real money for cool pixels

[midnight grotto]

Vegeta and Vegito have the drip skin when you switch

Prob a bug

[deep elk]

no they just have it

[midnight grotto]

I swore they had it

Only Goku didn't

[deep elk]

my goku doesnt have the drip but vegeta and vegito do

2000 runs in no cid

pity is an illusion

[midnight grotto]

We went from raging discussion about upscaling and grind to economic trade value discussion

Peak ❤️

[deep elk]

but in the end what did we gain

not a spec of level xp 💔

[verbal trellis]

no update

[verbal trellis]

lmfao

[midnight grotto]

If suggestions gave XP i'd be going crazy on levels by now

[lament wren]

No way that’s true

And if it is send proof in bug report

[deep elk]

it is intentional

we are treated like engagement farming cattle

ruthless laws and cruel realities

[deep elk]

make that 2001 💔

[verbal trellis]

.

[dark vector]

Thats what im sayin bro and @charred mica i agree but i feel like it can be a balance of both where there are a couple hard ish to get units to compensate for long updates times but also more quest units to keep gameplay entertaining

[median thicket]

reason why game is dry is because theres literally no reason to grind and play for the new units if old units are better

[iron lion]

no?

there's literally no content

thats why the game is dead atm

what your having is a personal issue with the game

but thats not why the game is dead

[median thicket]

what im saying is true powercreep is needed for players to grind thats why als is succeeding now

same thing the bleach update in av

bunch of powercreep

[iron lion]

als
like i said and many others can agree

als updates every week

they HAVE content

every week

that is why als is "succeeding"

the power creep is just fine

we are only on update 6.5

the game not too long ago came back with good update

[orchid path]

You will keep using your monarch units regardless

[iron lion]

deadass

[median thicket]

there is no incentive to grind newer updates

i was gonna grind lfelt but she got nerfed

[iron lion]

like i said thats a personal issue your having i aint gonna lie

may i see your inv?

[iron lion]

bro di u even read the nerf or just saw nerf and cried like what?

she is still very good

[median thicket]

just monarch dante yhwach aizen & sjw

[iron lion]

so u have monarch's

and want a power creep to pass those monarch's?

i honestly dont get it

we on update 6.5

relax

enjoy ya monarch's

[median thicket]

no reason to grind for newer ones

[iron lion]

what new units ur talking abt cuz i can tell what is good or not even without monarch

[median thicket]

whats the excitement about that

[iron lion]

i did told u ur having an personal issue with the game

u want a power creep that is not needed

alot of units that came out last update were mad good

notgoodguy

kazzy

the yoyo girl

gear boy is eh hes ok

[midnight grotto]

baiken!!

[iron lion]

but the one that is rlly good is notgoodguy

[midnight grotto]

and dark mage!!!!!!

[iron lion]

OH YUH SHE IS BROKENNNN

[iron lion]

like this dude is so strong for no reason

he is just pure dps

[midnight grotto]

he also has full immunity in Dragon Install mode

[iron lion]

like bruh

i dont get it how ur saying power creep whne the creep is getting stronger by the update

and av is not dead cuz of "no power creep"

av is dead cuz there's no content

has a end game player all i do is tourney and rank

that's literally all

[midnight grotto]

you can lowkey get dark mage and 2 NGGs, Dark Mage applies the DoT buff, NGG#1 uses Dragon Install to cause major damage + burn, and the other NGG just uses his second ability to detonate all the burn, basically mini-nuking

[iron lion]

like wow

this game is not just abt dps its abt using your brain to appeal that dps

als aa and ad fucked yall shit up

[midnight grotto]

"but he has a meter" BLACK SPIRIT

Also you can use Dragon Install with any amount of meter iirc

[midnight grotto]

and Elphelt

And Astolfo

[iron lion]

yea

[near dew]

poitenal man

[iron lion]

i rlly dont get this suggestion at all

[near dew]

just sad that this guy also come with flaw

[near dew]

welp they want causual stage hard

that it

they dont like their vsjw solo everything

but also they dont like to step into tourney

or any hard content

if they think vsjw is still meta and dominate on every content

then they must be a very very casual player

[iron lion]

yea like vsjw is good but there's other hard content stuf

[near dew]

welp

just buff the boss rush

scalling

adding more mechanic

and it will be hard content

done

[iron lion]

add more EX modes

[iron lion]

thats rlly what they want 😭

not no power scale

[near dew]

power crept is exiting on every gacha game

but av handle it pretty good i think

[near dew]

some ex mode

some gimmick stage

or just disable trait and a pretty high scalling health but balance

[iron lion]

the only person that is breaking it rn is kaguya

[near dew]

casual stage turn into a straight up nightmare

and then there will be a suggestion that tell dev to nerf hard stage

the cycle never end

[iron lion]

can't make everyone happy

[near dew]

that why we have hard content and easy content

[near dew]

kaguya is fine tho im not joking

but kinda broken at the same time...

[dark vector]

she would be super broken if she didnt tp, on multipath maps she is almost impossible to control, and if there is mutiple of her she gets stuck in sum random corner

[near dew]

and her dps is fucking unstable

random jumping from 50k-100k

[quaint plank]

fuck no

[iron lion]

tbh as long u have more units to defense she aint gonna tp as much

[quaint plank]

ex stages the worst shit ever

[near dew]

she still randomly tele though

[iron lion]

aye u cant even lie mfs were using their brains

[quaint plank]

good luck finding decent people

[midnight grotto]

isn't there literally strats to solo with monarch yhwach and Fate Sakura

[dark vector]

lowkey we were we had to craft up a plan jus unfortunate u needed monarchs for it rather then jus having alot of units and using their mechanics

[quaint plank]

im stuck with idiots

[iron lion]

yes thats rare asf

[near dew]

and vsjw spamming bear

[dark vector]

true

[deep elk]

i like the idea of making ex stages that are optional but give more rewards

that way both sides are satisfied

[midnight grotto]

omg hi star

[near dew]

ex stage for less farming time

or achivement sound good

[quaint plank]

too much effort and impossible to do on mobile or console

[iron lion]

i think u can just use sum non monarch units but its gonna be hard since there isn't alot of rlly good units to beat that stage

[midnight grotto]

you'll put just as much effort into finding good teammates

[quaint plank]

im not doing ex stage 10 times for a unit
mfs want me to commit hate crimes

[dark vector]

yh we had to use sjwv and kaguya nuke spam that was our amazing plan

monarch sjwv

[near dew]

as long as ex stage dont required for a specific op as hell unit like byken

then it will be good

just an optional thing that hard as hell for less farming time

[quaint plank]

yes but the strat need you to micro manage bear for the first bosses shit that is 100x harder on mobile and console compared to pc

[near dew]

and dont forget random lag kick in

[deep elk]

i mean if its for a meta unit this shit isnt even bad

all you need is 3 vsjws on a team

or yhwach+sakura slo

[dark vector]

ye but then with this idea it kinda makes ex stages bad cuz unit will be out dmg scaled by next updt

[deep elk]

solo

[quaint plank]

my teammates doesn't sell their vsjw when last wave start even if you tell them
also mfs bring unnevo units

i tried to do that shit 30 times and only won 3

[near dew]

this idea is just a casual guy want casual content become hard or power crept everything each update

[deep elk]

i just go o the channel and say "hosting ex act 4 dm units"

[quaint plank]

i will just wait for another sandbox bug

[deep elk]

and i pick from the most capable

[near dew]

bring unevo unit for a wordline tier stage is crazy work

[dark vector]

i managed to get it after a while with just a single sjwv but the monarch sjwv did carry

[deep elk]

wordlines is so easy bruh

cant compare that to ex

[near dew]

later wordline

[quaint plank]

the nukes help a lot

[near dew]

full of nightmare and despair

[quaint plank]

and tank is hard carry

[deep elk]

until floor 120 wl is easy as hell

[dark vector]

yeah the 4 kaguya nukes and the sjw nukes and the tank carried

[near dew]

welp 100 is just little number for a leadboard wordline player

that ex stage worth as

[deep elk]

not really

[near dew]

190-200 i think

[deep elk]

different mechanics and scaling

ic what youre saying tho

[quaint plank]

problem is that for some reason people post long ex stage grind and yet they leave after the first one

[near dew]

welp compare high wordline stage to a ex stage dont souund good ig

[deep elk]

i feel like once you have a good team you can easily do 4-5 of em

[near dew]

just need someone know how to do vsjw bear spam tech

[deep elk]

i got one good team of players and we finished 3 of them

[quaint plank]

i had it guy who only farmed for like 10 waves to max upgrade non monarch gogeta

[deep elk]

then disbanded and found other teams

[near dew]

non monarch gogeta

[dark vector]

i had a good team we did like 6

[deep elk]

thats why you gotta say "dm units"

[dark vector]

then i had to pray for the last 4

[tropic mason]

add strategist mode…

but make content harder

[quaint plank]

mf switched teams
he show a ss of monarch gogeta with a monarch yhwach

and only bring the monarch yhwach

AS A BUFFER

[deep elk]

yeah at that point its just bad luck

report them for scamming and bullying

[quaint plank]

@wicked grove it mf used duo vsjw nuke for normal enemies

[dark vector]

BRO I HAD A DUDE WITH MONARCH YWACH WHO DID NOT MAX HIM

[deep elk]

there was just a level 54 in my lobby with 6 monarchs

how do they do it

[quaint plank]

either rich or 🥭 a lot

[deep elk]

no rainbow nametag

mocro would make them above 54

theyre just lucky6 asf

[dark vector]

yeah cuz 10% xp increast

[vague nexus]

"Old ones are better" doesnt mean new one arent insanely strong and worth getting

The issue isnt the strength of units, its lack of content

Using als as an example is also just stupid, Gilgamesh has stayed the best unit in the game for months now. Its just more worth getting new units in als because of elements and resources being easier to farm.

[river marsh]

Jinwoo ruined the game

Dude rules every tournament and makes every stage fodder

And hes unknown just to make it worse lol

[vague nexus]

No he doesnt

[sleek solstice]

this is false

[quaint plank]

mf is literally always banned wdym

[sleek solstice]

hes no longer meta for tourneys

[river marsh]

He does except for the ones he’s banned on lol

[sleek solstice]

hes no longer meta for tourneyshes no longer meta for tourneys

hes no longer meta for tourneys

hes no longer meta for tourneyshes no longer meta for tourneys

he isnt the only person that can solo everything

yhwach can solo ex stage

vsjw cant do it

[river marsh]

Thanks man i didnt get it the first time

[quaint plank]

🔥

[sleek solstice]

yeah making sure bc ur rage baiting

continue to rage bait ill report u to the mods

[vague nexus]

No not really

[river marsh]

I’m not

[vague nexus]

Hes good for a lot of them

Really not most though

Yhwach is way more meta centralizing in tourneys

Even cid is used more

[river marsh]

Like yuha aint busted either

[sleek solstice]

lol

so why is he always used in traits?

[river marsh]

Cuz he’s busted ?

What do you want me to say man

[sleek solstice]

"yuha aint busted either"

chat

we should report this guy to the mods

[river marsh]

I’m being sarcastic dude are you 5

Do i need tone indicators

[sleek solstice]

@tawdry gazelle

can u deal with him?

he think he can be funny with trying to spread misinformation at the same time

and hes going off topic

all breaking two rules

[quaint plank]

the suggestions situation can't be that serious

[vague nexus]

What

[river marsh]

100/10 rage bait mushy

[tawdry gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/rezero-subaru-stressed-gif-21234835

[vague nexus]

He said "like yhwach aint busted either"

Hes literally saying yhwach is busted

[sleek solstice]

poor wording LOOL

dude

[median basin]

W suggestion

[sleek solstice]

nobody say busted

[vague nexus]

???

[sleek solstice]

if they wish to say this unit is op

[vague nexus]

Are you stupid

[river marsh]

Ur just dumb bro

[sleek solstice]

we have other meanings for that

[tawdry gazelle]

Alright let's just

[sleek solstice]

busted isnt cutting it

[tawdry gazelle]

Move away from that word please

[fervent moon]

no more potty words guys

[brittle umbra]

Dirwd is AFK: sleeping - 30 minutes ago

[urban pier]

FUCK

[fervent moon]

HEY

oh moderators!!

[verbal trellis]

⬆️⬆️

[white ermine]

theres nothing really difficult about tournaments other than coming up with the strat but youtubers do that so you just gotta follow along. other than that i wouldnt consider tournaments a hard gamemode

[dark vector]

True YouTubers do make strats but if you wanna win you gotta minmax your units and come up with bits of your own cuz 9/10 the strats are a lil bit behind

[white ermine]

true with familiars and stuff, some tournaments require certain traits aswell i get that, but other than that tournaments isnt a hard gamemode. ive followed along to vids and copied exactly what the vid did and got a better score.

[white ermine]

only "hard" bit is the torture of sitting in odyssey

[dark vector]

Yeah not hard kinda just tedious/strategic but its not short and easy none the less, and damm you might jus be getting lucky with your brackets but i aint done tourney in quite a while due to kinda restarting av so

[white ermine]

agreed its not easy, as it requires you to have the units and the strat itself can be teadious, but watching the video and following along with it you can easily get the same score or higher if you have the same/better units. and when i outscore the vid i think it was bc i had monarch on saber alter and all tourney vids for that one used ethereal. but saying its a difficult gamemode is kinda untrue

[verbal trellis]

Yappers

[verbal trellis]

I've done and do tourney when I have the units for it?

Half off the time tournament is just following a yt strat for the best yhwach placement 🔥🔥

But if thats hard for you gng you do you

[white ermine]

hippocrite

[fervent moon]

Has midguards updated yet

[verbal trellis]

nope

we prolly wont get a update for like 2-4 weeks

[verbal trellis]

⬆️⬆️

[vague nexus]

4 week upd

[vague nexus]

💀

Its obviously not gonna be 7 weeks

🥀

[verbal trellis]

was i talking to you?

[vague nexus]

Do i need a permit of some sort to reply to a message you sent in an open thread

"Im gonna say stupid shit and then tell people I wasnt talking to them when they correct me"

🥀

[verbal trellis]

giving an estimate is stupid shit 💔

chronically online ahh

[vague nexus]

Yeah giving an estimate of 7 weeks is pretty fucking stupid

😭 🙏

[verbal trellis]

I said 2-4 weeks from now?????

[vague nexus]

And how much is 3+4

[hot pilot]

no need for upscale

[verbal trellis]

bro they ain on they're usual update schedule yk

[hot pilot]

we ona good pace

[verbal trellis]

they did go on a break

[verbal trellis]

⬆️

[verbal trellis]

!

[half stump]

this would work if rerolls were farmable so even the average joe can keep with the new units, because how are they going to add upscaling without balancing it around needing traits or the stage taking an absurd amount of time? I dont mind this idea, but in a game like vanguards it simply doesnt work. from what i've gathered your issue is that all of the current content just feels stale and that you can beat everything with vsjw, im sorry, but that feels like a problem of a very few people, if a person spends upwards of weeks playing a few hours a day towards obtaining vsjw and then going for the monarch, that unit SHOULD stay meta, considering that resources like trait rrls, allthough are in abundance, even if you're using a "system" to get them for you, that is still upwards of a month worth of time

Using me as an example, i got kaguya on the first of this month after a tedious portal grind since the release of the update, i had a bit under 1k rrls saved, and then had to "grind" rrls for 10 days, to get the monarch, the exact amount of rrls it took was 1554 rrls

[fervent moon]

Rerolls are very farmable

[fervent moon]

Skill issue

[half stump]

farmable sure, but the amount you get is not anything to gasp about, if you're getting arround 350 rrls a week, thats 7 weeks to go to pity, and thats if you're maximizing the rrls you can get per week

[half stump]

lol okay buddy

[fervent moon]

Monarch is 1/1000

And no one said you need to get monarch on every unit to keep up

[half stump]

pitt us 2.5k buddy

[fervent moon]

I know

[half stump]

if the game starts to upscale its difficulty like the OP is suggesting, at a point you will need monarch to keep up, thats how ALS operates, if a unit doesnt have glitched/avatar and glorious as its enchant, its not worth using

[fervent moon]

Why’s that a bad thing? More of a reason to grind the game then

[half stump]

Why is it a bad thing that units that are a pain in the ass to grind for get out of meta after two updates and you've spent your resources on them so now you're out of resourcess and dont have a meta unit? HMMM, i wonder why thats a bad thing

rrls ARE farmable, but the amount you get is not enough for wha the OP is suggesting

the current scaling of the game is perfectly fine

[mild osprey]

Monarch will never become a necessity for standard content (with I guess the exception of GG EX? but tbf that was just a mistake in the way the drops were designed)

[fervent moon]

You won’t be out of resources though, the game updates every 2 months, and in the state that it is to right now there’s no need for you to get ANY of the new units, the previous units are all at the top of the meta still, why would I waste my time on getting new units when everything old is good enough to beat stages right now

[half stump]

Dont take this the wrong way, but is reading comprehension difficult for you? Like the OP wants the game to get harder because they find it boring a unit like vsjw who released in update 4.5 can solo content that has released in 6.5

[nimble mist]

Im assuming you have byeken?

[fervent moon]

No I don’t need him

And he’s annoying to get

[nimble mist]

Lmao you can’t even clear all the games content and you’re asking for an upscale

the game is to easy but you cant clear all the content with your old units

[fervent moon]

What can’t I clear?

[half stump]

that is actually clown activities right there

[half stump]

get baiken

[nimble mist]

LMAOOO

“Av is to easy bro”
“Get byeken no that’s too hard and annoying”

[fervent moon]

I didn’t say it’s hard

It’s a waste of time

Everything I have already is good enough

[nimble mist]

you cant clear the stage lol

you cant clear all the games content and you want it upscaled

[half stump]

"a waste of time"
a meta support
meta dps, and consistently in the broken tier on tierlist

Yea man

thats a waste of time

[fervent moon]

What stage

[nimble mist]

I can say anything’s a waste of time if I just avoid the hard content in the game

[fervent moon]

I’ll go beat it rn

[fervent moon]

Yes? And ?

[nimble mist]

legend stage 4 of the newest story

[half stump]

act 4 newest legend stage

beat it

then also complete the quest line

i heavily doubt you can do it

[half stump]

So you do struggle reading, got it

[fervent moon]

The ex stage ?

[nimble mist]

go on solo it

[fervent moon]

I alr beat it multiple times lmfao

My ywach solos that shit easy

[nimble mist]

show us a video of you soloing it with you’re outdated units

[fervent moon]

🤣

[nimble mist]

We will wait for your video

surely you wouldn’t dodge this

[fervent moon]

It’s not meant to be a solo game mode lmao ru special ed

[nimble mist]

you have the perfect opportunity to prove your point

unless you’re lying

lmaoooo

[fervent moon]

You’re saying I NEED the new units to solo it?

The old ones aren’t good enough

That’s what you’re saying?

[nimble mist]

Depends there’s multiple ways to solo it

you can clear it with new and old

[fervent moon]

Let’s do a duo game then and see who gets mvp

[nimble mist]

because this is a game where if you get monarch on the right units they don’t instantaneously fall off in 1 update

[fervent moon]

You and ur really good NEEDED units

Or my old outdated units

[nimble mist]

go get byeken first lil bro

[fervent moon]

Ion need him

[nimble mist]

lmao

[fervent moon]

I’ll still get mvp over you

Ion get what ur point is

🤣

[nimble mist]

so what are your units?

you’ll get mvp over me

[fervent moon]

Are you stupid or some shit? It’s been 4 months and no unit is better then sjw

[nimble mist]

for raw dps there’s many units better than vsjw

[fervent moon]

Like what

[midnight grotto]

Monarch Yuha comp maybe?

[nimble mist]

ywach Vergil aizen sol Dante Vergil byeken arc bleed burn invincible

[fervent moon]

I don’t think you even understand what the OP said in his suggestion lmfao u might be the one without reading comprehension

[nimble mist]

redues pre nerf

[nimble mist]

All out dps vsjw

vsjw is better because of his summons and nuke if you have monarch

For clearing difficult content

[fervent moon]

No gogeta?

[nimble mist]

forgot about him

he does as well

[fervent moon]

Ye exactly

And how old are these units

I have monarch gogeta aizen yhwach vergil

And deadeye Dante

Why would I bother getting anything from this new update

[nimble mist]

So you chased monarch on the best units in the game that won’t fall off for a while because of their intricate passives that save them from power creep from higher damage scaliness and now want to complain

I have an amazing idea

[fervent moon]

The only good units that replace any of these are kaguya and byken

[nimble mist]

stop using rerolls

I had the same problem all my monarchs are good enough I don’t need new units

so guess what I did

I stopped using rerolls

[fervent moon]

💀

[midnight grotto]

he just wanted an excuse to flex i'm sick

[fervent moon]

P2w?

[nimble mist]

and now I will wait for something worth rerolling on while complete every update traitless

[fervent moon]

I’m understanding what you’re talking about now ngl

[nimble mist]

no I just didn’t roll since dragon ball

I got monarch cid and buu for fun now I’m down to like 900

[fervent moon]

Show ur units

[nimble mist]

not on my pc

I have monarch buu saber ichigo vsjw cid Gogeta

[fervent moon]

Saber monarch?

Ur js weird icl

[nimble mist]

20 rerolls

[fervent moon]

🥀

[nimble mist]

was trying to get blitz during bleach update

[fervent moon]

Freak player saving 3k rrs for some reason

🤣

[nimble mist]

you’re the one saying you don’t need to get new units

so why not save rerolls and get a guaranteed monarch when you want it

[fervent moon]

You should be agreeing with me then

[nimble mist]

I play the game traitless half the time

ichigo was going to be on my blitz team but then I rolled monarch on him in 8

saber was also going to be in it

Here’s the thing

if you want your upscale that forces you to get new units

the game will have to be so powercrept that all your monarchs are dogshit

and then you’ll have to get lucky and get new ones or play the game monarchless

if you want the game to be harder play it traitless and save rrs

[fervent moon]

If the game had a proper update and content schedule then the power creep would’ve already happened by now that’s the thing

They just update so fucking slow that this had to be made a suggestion in the first place

[nimble mist]

The power creep has already happened

who uses bleach units other than aizen and ywach

all of the other bleach units fell off

the only reason people use aizen and ywach is because they have MONARCH on them

[fervent moon]

Yeah but those units are 4 months old

[nimble mist]

if you want this powercrept to happen stop getting monarchs

[fervent moon]

It’s not power creep right now

[nimble mist]

Monarch adds +300% damage to units, you want normal units with no traits to somehow powercreep that?

go play anime last stand

[fervent moon]

Huh?

When did I say that lmao

[nimble mist]

.

[nimble mist]

.

stop being a moron

[fervent moon]

You’re saying like extreme power creep

I never said without traits and shit

You’re making that up

Dumbass

[nimble mist]

✌️

[nimble mist]

You have monarch on units ofc they aren’t getting powercrept as much as you want

Stop using traits

then you’ll see

[fervent moon]

No I’m not a freak nerd I’m good

[nimble mist]

then stop being a moron

[fervent moon]

Do you still play the game?

[midnight grotto]

the bait

[fervent moon]

^ ?

@nimble mist

[nimble mist]

yeah why

[fervent moon]

Yeah that explains it

[nimble mist]

I get rerolls

[fervent moon]

No life glazer will argue against any logic

[nimble mist]

You want Als level powercreep

[fervent moon]

I’m done here ✌️

[fervent moon]

Never said what level power creep I wanted

[fervent moon]

You’re bringing up specifics I never said anything about

[sleek solstice]

Chronik1x has a point

Theres no reason for update 4 units to still be meta and we're at update 6.5,

Aizen is from update 4 and is currently being used for lb runs,

[nimble mist]

The average player isn’t still using aizen

unless they have monarch

[sleek solstice]

well he's required if u want go get 1k waves

so he is a must need

[nimble mist]

Can you read

[sleek solstice]

can you?

[nimble mist]

“The average player”

[sleek solstice]

like what does the average player have to do with this?

why would they go for gg units when they dont serve a purpose?

and their evo is a lot more harder to grind for

compared to bleach's reqs

[nimble mist]

Room temp iq

You’re right bro the average player isn’t important

.i agree with you in fact

[sleek solstice]

never said that

just a bad example

[nimble mist]

as I’m typing this I’m agreeing with you

[sleek solstice]

dont know why would they not go for aizen..?

what are they going go for?

gg units?

a lot more harder to evo and dont have a purpose

[nimble mist]

aizen traitless for the amount of yen he costs compared to another units makes him not worth using without monarch in progressive game modes

you will clear content easier while using better cost efficiency units

[sleek solstice]

so now yen is a problem..?

i mean to be fair aizen is used in like 5 gamemodes??

compared to gg units? none

[nimble mist]

Yeah you’re a genius bro

I agree with you

[sleek solstice]

cid raid? you use him
odyssey? you use him
lb runs? you use him
tourney? you use him
challenges? you use him

[nimble mist]

yeah without monarch

100%

You’re right I’m so dumb

[sleek solstice]

deadeye was used for act 2 cid

same goes for the previous tourney in traitless

and traits

and he wasnt even the buffed unit

[nimble mist]

There’s 0 new units worth using over the glorious aizen with no monarch when it comes to clearing content and not going for a high damage number in a tournament

100%

You are the smartest av player

I aspire to be like you

[sleek solstice]

uh, what?

can you rephrase it

[waxen rover]

Honestly

[sleek solstice]

ngl i'm getting lost rn lol

[waxen rover]

Pretty good

Upvote

[sleek solstice]

atp what are you trying to say?

[waxen rover]

Theyre saying using the same build to complete an update is boring

[sleek solstice]

nah not about the suggestion

[waxen rover]

Oh

[sleek solstice]

this

i mean

i didnt even talk about monarch aizen

or that he's a better option over new units

[waxen rover]

He js glazing aizen thinking its the best unit

[sleek solstice]

ig he's rage baiting

[nimble mist]

When I mentioned aizen traitless is irrelevant you said yen wasn’t a problem

[nimble mist]

Sarcasm

[nimble mist]

.

[nimble mist]

.

you then said the gg units are irrelevant

[sleek solstice]

Okay, that's true but uh you're switching up the topic?

[nimble mist]

No I was explaining to you why I mentioned aizen traitless in the message you can’t wrap your head around

because it’s so complicated for you

you’re either a moron or you’re rage baiting

OP has a shit ton of monarchs on the best characters in the game

[sleek solstice]

Like uhh, how did we go from aizen to monarch aizen and to the fact that there are other better options than aizen? i never spoke about monarch aizen or that aizen should be a mandatory over the newst units?

[nimble mist]

so he can’t replace his team because he needs new monarchs

[sleek solstice]

there you go

[nimble mist]

the average player doesn’t have this issue

[sleek solstice]

back to switching a different story

[nimble mist]

.

so you’re saying that aizen traitless is a must have

[sleek solstice]

oh well, ill just dip out since you can't stick out to the original story

[nimble mist]

For all of this

Smartest av player

I got proven wrong so I need to make up bullshit and leave

[orchid path]

wise words ngl, the current state of reroll farming is fine if units can keep up for this long. i feel like if that were to change then the reroll abundance would have to aswell

[vague nexus]

aizen traitless has always been sub par, he's a very trait reliant unit.

i think this suggestion doesn't really make sense. Is there a lack of content and motivation for endgame players? Absolutely. Is crazy powercreep gonna fix anything? Hell no.

also let's not act like there's no powercreep at all

cid is an insane unit, 6.0 initially had the most broken unit oat and still has very heavy hitters and an insane support in the form on baiken, and 6.5 had kaguya and mark.

[white ermine]

The OP doesn't feel the need to obtain the newer units bc sjw sits up top in the overall tier list. Getting the new units is just for collection purposes since a unit that came out 4 months ago is better overall then the newer ones coming out.

[vague nexus]

that's true for the game he's referencing too lol

gilgamesh has been at the top of als for months

who would've thought, units of vanguard/godly rarity who's entire point is to remain meta throughout the game's lifetime, remain meta

[white ermine]

Do yk how long Gilgamesh has been in the game for?

Like roughly

[vague nexus]

2.5 months

keep in mind als updates 3.5x as often

[nimble mist]

gojo and kirito have also been meta for 3 months

I don’t see Als players complaining

[white ermine]

I will say tho als has a different structure to it. Als has type advantage and disadvantage. Meaning that teams change depending on the stage. Where as in av the team stays the same

[white ermine]

Yea ik

[white ermine]

Isn't gojo back in meta bc of the boost?

[vague nexus]

that is true

[nimble mist]

This is because he has monarch on all of the best units in the game

[vague nexus]

but you also need to consider that als provides way more resources

[nimble mist]

the average player doesn’t have monarch on every single top tier meta unit

he literally can’t improve his team without rolling monarch

OP has an obscure problem of being too lucky and rolling monarch on too many good units

Then wants to complain and say he can’t improve his team

[white ermine]

This is true. I feel if av does the type advantage/disadvantage system it would be a good start. Aswell as changing the unknown element bc complete immunity to everything is broken

[nimble mist]

If they add type advantage disadvantage I’ll just go to Als

I can’t get monarch on every unit with type advantage it’s too much

And unknown element doesn’t have immunity to everything

still gets mind controlled

[white ermine]

Yea that's true

[white ermine]

The Babadi thing

Is that what ur referencing

[nimble mist]

The balancing of the game is fine they are just competing with other games that update 2-3x times more often

And they don’t add many grind heavy things because people complain

And then our community makes shit decisions like making the modelers have to make shinies for unit nobody will even use or like

The community wants all of the quality of av with half the update time

then when we get an option to slightly reduce the quality and make shinies more special for fan favorites people say no

[white ermine]

no mater what they need more heavy grind things

[nimble mist]

they probably will

I think they’ll do a repeat and leave the current vanguard on banner and add a quest like vsjw

For the next vanguard specifically

[white ermine]

i understand this. they cant just copy it exactly since als is more friendly and giving with rerolls, but idrk how it works too well in als so correct me if im wrong
ALS - you need to bring the type advantage team or else you will lose the stage.
if that is the case AV can implement it where its possible to beat it w/o bringing fire to nature stage. but itll be alot more helpful to do

[nimble mist]

Then you are back to square one

if it’s clearable with units with no type advantage why would I even do type advantage

I’d just run units with immunity

Unknown units cosmic etc

Then I can universally clear everything

no need to switch teams

[warped pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-a-perfect-person-cat-side-eye-distress-looking-gif-16639804187763803346

[white ermine]

true actually. damn nvm

[nimble mist]

Also had 100k players nearly a week ago

they are at 50k

[white ermine]

plus als stage scaling is set for glitched right? where av scaling isnt set to monarch so its really hard to compare them to each other

[nimble mist]

It’s set to be clearable with struggle with overlord, somewhat comfortable with avatar, and a breeze with glitched

for most solo content

not all

and some things are impossible to solo

extreme breach hard mode you need to do 10 nukes on the boss just to be allowed to damage it

Als is a hype train kind of game

[white ermine]

yea ok, Av is set to traitless scaling so to find the same difficultly level youd have to play Av traitless, which if i remember correctly you said you did that

[nimble mist]

No I said OP isn’t experiencing powercreep because he’d have to get monarchs on newer units for them to be comparable to his older monarchs

if he played the game traitless he’d experience the power creep as all of his units would be on an even playing field

[white ermine]

oh, i mightve confused you with someone else then, someone said they play it traitless

[nimble mist]

No I told him to play it traitless but not because the game is meant to be

that was me

AV is dying because people are becoming fatigued of mechanics that other games in competition no longer have

for example in Als you place down your farm on the first wave then you can instantly place a unit and start killing enemies

the farms level significantly faster

[white ermine]

that game isnt meant to be i know that. i just mean that the stage scaling is set to monarch scaling like how als is like this

[nimble mist]

?

[sleek solstice]

they need to copy it

[nimble mist]

the stage scaling is set to monarch like how Als is?

[sleek solstice]

they have NO choice but to do it

[nimble mist]

in what universe is av scaled to monarch

[white ermine]

meant isnt

[sleek solstice]

its the fact av developers think they could bribe us with these high quality models but that aint saving the game

[white ermine]

didnt type it out correctly, i mean isnt

[sleek solstice]

and av stole ideas from aa

[nimble mist]

They need to copy a couple things

[sleek solstice]

so why cant they steal some from als?

[nimble mist]

Adding auto upgrade for farms would be amazing

they could just make it a familiar that boosts money and upgrades them

Since they don’t wanna actually add auto upgrade

[sleek solstice]

we already have one

padoru?

[nimble mist]

The game would be so much less fatiguing if they added that people would actually do their bounties

[nimble mist]

Has a small chance of giving 100 yen isn’t much

you’d need insane rng for it to ever give a single upgrade

[sleek solstice]

so corrupt 3 it then

for a huge %

[white ermine]

yea i realised that

[nimble mist]

It’s still rng

she has a chance to give money

a chance

If they steal some qol from other games the game won’t be as fatiguing people will actually clear the content daily that gives them rerolls and they won’t complain out the lack of rerolls either

I’d bet half the players don’t do their bounties

They could also reset some shops somewhat often

[white ermine]

fr, they used to do that every upd

[nimble mist]

they shouldn’t do that because then it basically forces you to do it or you miss out

I think they should occasionally reset a raid shop or something

[white ermine]

they stopped after jjba

[white ermine]

it was raid shops, both spider forest and jjba got reset when they updated

[nimble mist]

Steel ball run is a favorite isn’t it?

doesn’t it do well

They could copy Als and buff older obscure units that took a lot of grinding for

if in the next update or a future update if they ever go back on steel ball run they could buff valentine and reset the stage rrs

[white ermine]

i think the only buffs older units will get is double evo into a vanguard.

[nimble mist]

They should should just steal extreme boost from Als

[white ermine]

yea alot of people like sbr, but only jojos unit that is good is the vanguard

and it wasnt even from jjba upd, it was from dandadan

[white ermine]

thats a good idea

[nimble mist]

They need to just throw shit at the community constantly similar to Als they drop sneaks constantly and it retains some hype

where as av its like oh boy a new sneak surely that update will drop this weekend

I get they want to keep everything balanced and level headed but the community they have is basically no better than Als

[thorn idol]

Bump

Ts needs to be implemented 4sure

[midnight grotto]

Eurghhhh we need a suggestion to make bounties more enjoyable because istg they're so boring

[verbal trellis]

bro literally

some people don't even understand powercreep

aslong as the unit they spent time getting 4 months ago is still completely soloing the game

its fine

[verbal trellis]

they said that they want their game to be more 'manual' based

[orchid path]

Ong

They think als way of powercreep is really the best way to do this

[nimble mist]

they need to give up on that kinda

because they decided to do portals instead of unit drops they already lose a ton of ccu from people no longer tinytasking stuff overnight

Same with newer raids

[verbal trellis]

Bro didn't even read my suggestion 🙏🙏

[nimble mist]

and with less ccu there’s less hype and they get less premium payouts

and you kinda need money for development because it’s expensive

[verbal trellis]

Most off they're pkayer base ma$ros anyways

[nimble mist]

You’d be surprised how little there actually is

[silver sinew]

Mihawk upscale

[nimble mist]

Back when Pyseph was doing the trait caps from challenges the stats showed less than 1% of the player base ever hit the cap

less than 1% afk farm challenges enough to hit the cap

[silver sinew]

#bring back global cd

[nimble mist]

in my opinion they should revert it so it’s able to be done with tinytask because realistically the average player doesn’t wanna have to download a M

it used to be you pick a map like namek go into the challenge and it would let you replay and sit on the same stage

also it really doesn’t help that astd x released

Astd x zapped 20k+ ccu from Als and they aren’t very happy about it

[orchid path]

Probably should have been a better solution

[uneven lantern]

Guys screw this suggestion and go look at mine!!!

[nimble mist]

They should there’s nothing wrong with making a living

[orchid path]

Back in the day a portion of us wanted a cap because it seemed unfair for advanced mangro users to have an unlimited source of rerolls

Funny enough none of us though in this solution back then

Which both sides could agree on

[nimble mist]

But then you could argue it’s unfair to those on console and mobile

in my opinion the only way to fix it completely would to just be adding a storage system like a battery icon or something and you generate clears every 30 minutes and you could clear all of them out then go to bed

[coarse glade]

Someone said upscale ?

[fervent moon]

They better have reworked pvp and oddesy and allat this upd

Cuz how is it taking this fucking long

[vague nexus]

Vacation 🔥 🔥

Its gonna be a 4 week upd and its still gonna have triple digit bugs watch

[fervent moon]

av devs taking a much needed vacation after working 4 minutes a day on the game

[verbal trellis]

.

[white ermine]

sybau

[verbal trellis]

bump

[heady linden]

We need another sjw type quest

The thing that make als more fun is the godly grind

Doing different quest is more enjoyable than spamming some portals for rng unit

[verbal trellis]

Real

I just want endgame content tbh

Some new stuff instead off the same easy ahh stages

[verbal trellis]

bump