this (:) instead of this (;)
#A Super Simple Fate Suggestion -Revamped-
frail latch
I wanted it to be a wild card that MUST be considered when building a team or playing through the stage
cedar trench
this (:) is more like a descriptor or whatnot
frail latch
Where did i even do ; 😭
cedar trench
I wanted it to be a wild card that MUST be considered when building a team or pl...
how often would jester mutator pop up
cedar trench
Where did i even do ; 😭
not here
frail latch
how often would jester mutator pop up
2-3 would spawn in every wave
cedar trench
you used colon, which makes it look like the different effects are somehow describing each other
frail latch
Alrighty
cedar trench
use semicolon or comma
cedar trench
2-3 would spawn in every wave
huh
frail latch
For fixing my grammer and input
cedar trench
i guess it is a wild card
frail latch
i guess it is a wild card
If not dealt with the negative effects although random could spiral out of control
cedar trench
is immunity a normal enemy?
frail latch
is immunity a normal enemy?
Yes
cedar trench
so there's only 4 types of enemies?
frail latch
so there's only 4 types of enemies?
Yes
Is there usually more?
I thought besides peons there are usually 3-4 unique enemies in each stage
From namek and onwards
cedar trench
so these enemies are unstoppable fast enemies
with a wild card
fast spa works well
frail latch
fast spa works well
That too
Or just have boss killers that target the leader
And slow em down
cedar trench
immunity devalues cc
frail latch
Jester was also somewhat supposed to be a counter to kaguya
frail latch
I think I turned her into an extreme boss killer
Seems like it would be hard to balance
frail latch
Ah
cedar trench
like a nuke but for bosses
frail latch
I mean still tho its pretty much a hp scaling ability
Which is still hard to balance
cedar trench
I mean still tho its pretty much a hp scaling ability
yeah
frail latch
Weve had 2 and only 1 was balanced because it was hard to control what it hit
cedar trench
it's for every attack it's not like it's for every tick
cedar trench
Ill wait for the whole kit before critiquing the balancing
well I'm not posting any stats
frail latch
well I'm not posting any stats
Yeah i know
frail latch
Its just hard to gauge how broken a ability will be just from seeing it alone
restrictions can be put on via passives
cedar trench
so if she has the same spa, it'd be like 6 ticks
frail latch
Ticks?
cedar trench
6 attacks
5-6 attacks
in the active
I checked
30% hp taken away
- all of that HP being sent towards the enemy being attacked
most likely a boss
60%
hmm
alr
frail latch
Seems broken
cedar trench
that might be a bit broken
I'll maybe separate non-boss enemy from boss enemy
how about 1% HP taken from boss enemies?
sweet totem
i bet ill have to hit pity for my next monarch
cedar trench
10-12%
sweet totem
if i get it in under 1k ur getting the next bp
frail latch
Hp scaling on peon enemy can lowkey be as high as you want
cedar trench
Hp scaling on peon enemy can lowkey be as high as you want
10%
frail latch
But on bosses i wouldint say it should pass 10% of its max hp
cedar trench
10% hp taken every attack
frail latch
Like we have so many actives that just delete peons
frail latch
😔 🤞
cedar trench
lemme try 3%
frail latch
Just set a restriction so that when hitting boss enemies it deals a maximum of x amount of damage
cedar trench
so 15% - 18% taken from bosses
cedar trench
Just set a restriction so that when hitting boss enemies it deals a maximum of x...
rumbling didn't do that
frail latch
rumbling didn't do that
Yeah and rumbling is horribly balanced
cedar trench
35% max hp
frail latch
Do not know what they were rhinking
Only saving grace is that it takes 3 unit slots and 300K+ yen
cedar trench
Why not just current hp
ok i calculated it a bit
over 30% hp
from every hp taken and redirected back at them
nvm it's 50%
almost 50% of the enemy boss
didn't change really
well
it's not over 50%
20% now
cedar trench
i got rid of boss hp instead
im gonna do something like maybe per kill
like maybe every kill in that active, an atk buff
frail latch
like maybe every kill in that active, an atk buff
Yeah thats probably for the better
cedar trench
temporary one
cedar trench
Yeah thats probably for the better
what if there's no cap to it tho?
frail latch
To the hp attack thing?
frail latch
If its a temporary buff i dont think it should have a cap
Or atleast it should have a very large cap
cedar trench
like per kill in that active, and have an attack buff after the active but temporarily
frail latch
Yeah just have a very large cap
cedar trench
If its a temporary buff i dont think it should have a cap
the question is how long and how much
ooh
frail latch
Depends on cd
cedar trench
maybe i could do like
10% of the atk buff gets taken away every atk
so like no matter how big it is, it gets reduced to none after the 10th attack
frail latch
That works
cedar trench
That works
wait I need to specify it a bit more
actually lemme turn it 1%
idk how many kills happen in 30s
and idk how many can fit inside the active range
but I'm guessing either below +300% or just above it
+300% ATK is my target
small hornet
sweet totem
cedar trench
wait does that work with the same unit?
soft lotus
frail latch
wait does that work with the same unit?
Wdym
It just steals from nearby placements
If the familiar used on a unit with more placements it would simply just steals the buff from the other placement of the unit + 3 other units
frail latch
like it doesn't have to be a unique placement?
No
frail latch
Its supposed to be on hyper carries
So my Nero concept, Ywach, Ragna etc
So im assuming your kurumi concept is just big hyper carry
cedar trench
Its supposed to be on hyper carries
The active I talked about before
The buff per kill
Applies to all placements of the unit
frail latch
Applies to all placements of the unit
Of ghen it doesn’t work
Tamamo only steals buffs applied externally
Via buffers or stage buffs etc
bleak blade
lol
cedar trench
Yeahi only play limitless
bleak blade
how many floors are in normal?
cedar trench
Tamamo only steals buffs applied externally
Like yhwach can’t benefit from his own support?
cedar trench
how many floors are in normal?
Idk i only play limitless
I think it’s intensity limit more than floor limit
But idk
cedar trench
Tamamo only steals buffs applied externally
Oh yeah what about other placements? How would that work?
They’d all have the same familiar
frail latch
They’d all have the same familiar
They just steal from eachother, since it’s whenever the unit reaches max upgrade
frail latch
Like yhwach can’t benefit from his own support?
No
If the unit buffs itself then it would be counted as a internal buff
cedar trench
No
If the unit buffs itself then it would be counted as a internal buff
How about unit buffs that only buff a specific placement but not other placements?
Like for example rhe ackers unit
frail latch
Like for example rhe ackers unit
If the ackers buffed each other it would be considered a internal buff
cedar trench
Alr
frail latch
Since they are still categorized as a single unit
cedar trench
So the familiar is best for monarchs and low placement units
frail latch
So the familiar is best for monarchs and low placement units
Yes hypercarry units
cedar trench
With supports that have tons of placements
cedar trench
Yeah nvm kurumi doesn’t fit since she has a lot of placements
frail latch
Since shes just a big fat hypercarry
soft lotus
frail latch
have not been on this in a hot minute
boy whatdahell
those who know when shoko was the fucking goat
clever quiver
Peem
merry grove
Nero my beloved
small hornet
toxic matrix
Interesting
clever quiver
What 😭😭
frail latch
250 rrs per week btw
its only for these 7 days but im expecting alot more rewards on the actual ani update
clever quiver
Yeah probably way more on anni if we are being gifted 250 🙏🏾🙏🏾
dawn rune
100k gold
shadow flume
Thank you aandre
cosmic heart
its only for these 7 days but im expecting alot more rewards on the actual ani u...
FAAHH
soft lotus
frail latch
250 rr's is still 250 rr's 
cosmic heart
idk why i hoped for it to reset per week
dawn rune
they arent THAT generous
cosmic heart
250 rr's is still 250 rr's <:gudashrug:632192549779537930>
truth
dawn rune
why not 1k rr js like fgo did
because they still need to make money
frail latch
why not 1k rr js like fgo did
1k gems
cosmic heart
https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-gif-501081621266469291
download my 22 bytes
surreal anchor
small hornet
add draco as a secret
small hornet
fate vanguard fr
frail latch
dawn rune
well i mean
frail latch
small hornet
😂
frail latch
escanor
no shot
stage was designed so that if you want to maximize reward gain 1 placement, monarchs get "slim3d"
shadow flume
I think that that card should be an option at the start
frail latch
guh
how else are we going to put our units life on the lines
would be weird if it was a pre stage modifer
shadow flume
They alr on the line
frail latch
since the whole premise of the stage is that your trying to earn the audiences applause
shadow flume
Hm
dawn rune
I think that that card should be an option at the start
sets cards on wave 1 will be
awful manager
horrible actors
dumb director
bob
shadow flume
sets cards on wave 1 will be
awful manager
horrible actors
dumb director
bob
Tree costume
toxic matrix
-# Bland Week incoming
rigid coral
in the mean time upvote ts its gas
dawn rune
in the mean time upvote ts its gas
time to pull out my auto clicker
rigid coral
🔥
frail latch
how do you even make these in gdocs bruh😭😭
I don’t 
Its just a bunch of images man
Made in procreate
Didn’t want to make one super stretched file
cosmic heart
I don’t <:cyclopsblush:1351665650329981073>
frail latch
frail latch
aba chan stuns all enemies forever
Genius…
I broke up with aba since they added toji
For halloween upd just give me Oshino or Halloween devil
cosmic heart
wait actually yeah csm character can make for good halloween units
might add in some madoka magica chars too
frail latch
might add in some madoka magica chars too
Only thing i remember from madoka is the blonde chick and homura
I have her in battle cats and she did justice in angel stages
merry grove
alr now its time to formulate my buisness pitches for each unit
cook
WE ALL need miso's anime vanguards...
merry grove
might add in some madoka magica chars too
dandadan, csm, madoka, devilman crybaby, gachiakuta, soul eater all come to mind as far as halloween update shit goes
AND TOKYO GHOUL
katana man in particular would be tuff
or quanxi with all of her fiend girls included
i could see a fun gimmick being made out of them
merry grove
dandadan, csm, madoka, devilman crybaby, gachiakuta, soul eater all come to mind...
maybe eva too?? very few ATDs do eva (aside from fucking rangers 🪦) & eva is definitely horror-esque
end of evangelion fucked me up for a bit when i was younger
frail latch
WE ALL need miso's anime vanguards...
Quick
Feedback
Im thinking on scrapping a part of the stage
What do you think of these stage mechanics as a whole
frail latch
dandadan, csm, madoka, devilman crybaby, gachiakuta, soul eater all come to mind...
Would say Monogatari but apparently that show ain’t popular anymore
🥹
And it may or may not be controversial like MT
dawn rune
dandadan, csm, madoka, devilman crybaby, gachiakuta, soul eater all come to mind...
screw those
lets add megamind
cedar trench
how do you even make these in gdocs bruh😭😭
it's a gdoc?
anyway pixlr couldn't handle a fuck ton of giant 2048x2048 squares
frail latch
it's a gdoc?
Yes i pasted all the images i created into a gdoc 😔 🤞
cedar trench
there were a dozen 2048x2048 squares
frail latch
anyway pixlr couldn't handle a fuck ton of giant 2048x2048 squares
Obviously
cedar trench
Yes i pasted all the images i created into a gdoc 😔 🤞
HUH?
merry grove
all of this sounds good except kind of performance
maybe enemies should slow down a bit once performance starts?
as if theyre more focused on watching the show than getting to the base
merry grove
maybe enemies should slow down a bit once performance starts?
not by a lot i dont think
cedar trench
THERE ARE LAYERS?
frail latch
THERE ARE LAYERS?
Yes…
cedar trench
this changes everything
frail latch
as if theyre more focused on watching the show than getting to the base
Ah good idea
My main concern was the multiplayer feature
With the orders and whatnot
cedar trench
Might aswell been using docs/canva if you aint using layers dawg
I did but it fucking sucks
stupid realignment
merry grove
i like the more unique method of getting mvp
frail latch
i like the more unique method of getting mvp
Alrighty
frail latch
stupid realignment
Just right click image, then click image options then set it to set position
Or just use photopea/ibis paint
cedar trench
Just right click image, then click image options then set it to set position
yeah, that's the problem
frail latch
Im more familiar with those
frail latch
nero has a thing for fire, doesnt she?
Mhm
merry grove
maybe there could be something with making enemies burn
as like a modifier or order
burn units get a buff or smthn
frail latch
maybe there could be something with making enemies burn
Seems pretty specific as i wouldn’t say 1/3 of the units in the game can inflict flames
merry grove
Seems pretty specific as i wouldn’t say 1/3 of the units in the game can inflict...
theres been a lot of burn units lately
frail latch
A thing that made the energy drain mechanic and blinded mods annoying was that there was not enough options in the roster to playaround the mechanic
- multiple other things but u get my point
merry grove
A thing that made the energy drain mechanic and blinded mods annoying was that t...
im not suggesting smthn like that
like an annoying enemy mechanic
frail latch
?
merry grove
maybe making enemies burn could occasionally reward more points?
make the stage slightly easier for appealing to nero's love for fire
frail latch
Hm
Mabye
In the “make it a spectacle” order you can get an additional +1 point by burning enemies
merry grove
thatd be fine
frail latch
Sticking with that then
Also
I need 1 more good incentive to play this stage
Other then obtaining Nero and Tamamo familiar
Do i stick another familiar as an obtainment
merry grove
nahh
merry grove
best thing i could think of would be including a unit's evo item other than nero's in the shop
not sure whom you could throw in there
merry grove
best thing i could think of would be including a unit's evo item other than nero...
kind of like how delta's evo item is in cid raid shop
merry grove
i was thinking tamamo
merry grove
alternatively maybe anoither roman servant..?
frail latch
Convince me otherwise
frail latch
alternatively maybe anoither roman servant..?
Lemme check
merry grove
https://tenor.com/view/tamamo-fate-extella-cute-kawaii-gif-14754530
her fit is impeccable
frail latch
Tough choice
dawn rune
I need 1 more good incentive to play this stage
.......
Okay I have an idea
frail latch
Whats thy idea
dawn rune
So we'll start off by a monarch token-
merry grove
thank you for the input alpha
frail latch
So we'll start off by a monarch token-
merry grove
youre so brilliant
frail latch
I don’t wanna do another unit suggestion cuz that would require me to think really hard for the next day
And im not about to salvage my old tamamo kit
merry grove
And im not about to salvage my old tamamo kit
what was the old tamamo kit?
never seen it
dawn rune
And im not about to salvage my old tamamo kit
Yeah cuz who would do that
frail latch
what was the old tamamo kit?
Part of my scrapped 11k word doc
Lemme go find the tamamo part
sweet totem
So we'll start off by a monarch token-
then a shiny potion, making your 10 rarest units in your inventory shiny
merry grove
im getting on fgo rn
ill spitball any ideas i have for tamamo
i do think
that she should inflict black flames
whatever that effect's called
dawn rune
then a shiny potion, making your 10 rarest units in your inventory shiny
We're so good at making completely fair and definitely not gonna piss off the community items
frail latch
ill spitball any ideas i have for tamamo
Please di
Wall of text incoming
And for context
The kit heavily played off the fact rhat she was a summonable servant from a vanguard unit called “chaldea” where you are the master
Passive 1: Curse Arts
When attacking a unit with a DOT or CC debuff, apply “Curse” for 20 seconds. If 5 “Curse” debuffs are apply an extra debuff “Curse ll” will be applied. (Curse can not be applied by another curse)
Additionally if Tamamo has a debuff applied remove it and apply 1 “Curse” to the closest enemy
New Debuff -Curse:
While enemies are inflicted with “Curse” they take 4% more damage from DOT and if a CC debuff is applied as well it will cause Curse to deal 10% of this units damage as DOT dmg. A max of 5 Curse debuffs can be applied on the same enemy, once 5 are applied an extra debuff “Curse ll” will be applied.
New Debuff Curse ll:
This debuff is permanent, increases damage from DOT by 5% and enemies will deal 10% of units max attack dmg every 3 seconds. This will count as both a CC/DOT Debuff only 1 “Curse ll” can be applied on an enemy.
Passive 2: Eightfold Blessing of Amaterasu
When a command seal is used or 20 enemies with “Curse” debuff are in range, she will cast “Suiten Nikkō Amaterasu Yano Shizu-Ishi” Applying the “Curse” Debuff 5 times to all enemies in her range. Additionally when casted cleanse all status ailments and debuffs in range.
(This can only happen once per wave)
Tamamo (Aria) -Rider-
Passive 2 replacement: Liturgical Hymn of Sacred Song and Music
When a command seal or 2 allies are affected by a debuff in her range, Cast “Liturgical Hymn of Sacred Song and Music” cleansing all debuffs. Enemies in her range with the curse debuff will be slowed for 15% while this passive is active and in her range.
(25 second GCD)
The vanguard player could give units classes and whatnot changing fate units classes would change passives and attacks
You can easily see why its a scrapped idea now
frail latch
We're so good at making completely fair and definitely not gonna piss off the co...
Thanks!
Ill take the monarch token idea into consideration
Because i think its a great idea
frail latch
Nope
dawn rune
Yeah cuz were gonna get 6 or maybe even 7 monarch tokens
dawn rune
What
merry grove
boii this is cinema 🤣
dawn rune
What does 67 even mean
merry grove
who ufkcing knows
frail latch
What does 67 even mean
Idk dawg
merry grove
merry grove
i think she'd work well with black flame DOT
cedar trench
FUCK
frail latch
I also lowkey ran out of any unique mechanics for unit kits with my gohan/mob one
Soooooo yeah gonna need heavy help on this one
cedar trench
oh yeah
dawn rune
I also lowkey ran out of any unique mechanics for unit kits with my gohan/mob on...
What
Are you saying that
You peaked?
cedar trench
Soooooo yeah gonna need heavy help on this one
do you wanna review a concept?
frail latch
do you wanna review a concept?
Uh not the major problem at hand here
frail latch
You peaked?
Prehaps
cedar trench
Uh not the major problem at hand here
no I mean do you wanna review my concept?
frail latch
Id say gohan kit was like the last original/unique kit i could think of at the moment
merry grove
reading her wiki rn
cedar trench
Dawg i can you templates if you want 😭
I wanna do my own templates
frail latch
no I mean do you wanna review my concept?
Sure but not rn
cedar trench
but I'll use your passive breakdown template
frail latch
Yeah last unique mechanic i came up with was
Gohans passive 1 then i just built a kit around it
cedar trench
what was it
frail latch
Mobs, reigan and mikus kits were uninspired which is why they are never coming iut
Oshino shinobu never too cuz i don’t think shes ever gonna get added
frail latch
what was it
frail latch
nuu
Idk monogatari just aint that popular anymore unfortunately
And its pretty controversial
I would love a kaiki, Shinobu and ononoki unit
merry grove
And its pretty controversial
how so
dawn rune
Idk monogatari just aint that popular anymore unfortunately
Is monogatari a new gen?
I've never heard of it till now
frail latch
No
merry grove
Have you watched the show?
no...
cedar trench
Idk monogatari just aint that popular anymore unfortunately
skill issue
merry grove
ive heard of it
merry grove
https://tenor.com/view/cute-anime-monogatari-monogatari-series-happy-gif-1516759...
oh my friend loves monogatari
frail latch
Mc
merry grove
ive seen this character from gifs shes sent
dawn rune
https://i.imgur.com/R5cx9Rt.gif
I was a toddler during the 2010s 
cedar trench
I was a toddler during the 2010s <:catsweat:1287148440291119145>
skill issue
frail latch
How do i explain this without getting timedout for the second time
cedar trench
https://tenor.com/view/cute-anime-monogatari-monogatari-series-happy-gif-1516759...
I thought of her concept as a raid unit
when raid came out
frail latch
So thwres a guy names koyomi, and he loves touching snails inappropriately, even if said action had deeper meaning in the story its still pretty bad at face value
cedar trench
she got back at him
frail latch
dawn rune
So thwres a guy names koyomi, and he loves touching snails inappropriately, even...
What now
frail latch
Said snail
cedar trench
cedar trench
so there are these girls
frail latch
Ononoki on top
cedar trench
they're harassing aragi
merry grove
And its pretty controversial
i dont think that a series being controversial really matters much when taking them into consideration for AV
merry grove
i mean we just had a berserk update....
frail latch
i dont think that a series being controversial really matters much when taking t...
High school dxd and a mt update were rejected cuz of it
cedar trench
i dont think that a series being controversial really matters much when taking t...
they did a shigure ui unit as a bp so
cedar trench
High school dxd and a mt update were rejected cuz of it
rudeus was added
not an mt update but rudeus was added
merry grove
High school dxd and a mt update were rejected cuz of it
this is stupid
we have berserk
frail latch
And i really doubt the anime were the mc touches snails inappropriately is very fitting
merry grove
we have rudeus
merry grove
rudeus is probably arguably worse than the mc of monogatari
that guy has done some
vile things
🪦
frail latch
we have rudeus
Brooming vs S# of children
Theres also the whole problem with shinobu
And nadeko
And ononoki…
cedar trench
rudeus is probably arguably worse than the mc of monogatari
valentine
cedar trench
yeah
dawn rune
Okay that makes sense
cedar trench
I could search up more
units
but i dont wanna
because it might make them start being restrictive
the point is that you can
frail latch
rudeus is probably arguably worse than the mc of monogatari
List of apparitions the mc of monogatari has touched “inappropriately”
cedar trench
it's only controversial if you let it
frail latch
Think you can see the problem here
cedar trench
Think you can see the problem here
yeah ononoki only has one fucking attack
frail latch
Not only s# but also depicted in very revealing clothing or with none at all
Its prettyyy bad man
Good story but way to controversial
cedar trench
oh yeah griffith
merry grove
either way it seems like AV has double standards/hypocritical viewpoints on problematic/controversial media making their way into the game if they rejected high school dxd but allow berserk and rudeus into the game
frail latch
Idk what she did
dawn rune
I don't know her
cedar trench
you guys dont have to
dawn rune
Who is she
frail latch
Well now im curious
frail latch
😭
cedar trench
how about goblin slayer
frail latch
Its also paired with the fact that monogatari is just not popular in the atd community
My and beserk sure cuz they are insanely popular amd well known in this community
cedar trench
Its also paired with the fact that monogatari is just not popular in the atd com...
how did shadow of eminence become popular to atd
cedar trench
fuckin tiktok
frail latch
Flashy nuke moves in roblox games
cedar trench
Flashy nuke moves in roblox games
and why did they add it
frail latch
and why did they add it
Added to av because its popular
merry grove
either way it seems like AV has double standards/hypocritical viewpoints on prob...
i really hate how as the years have gone on people have grown to be much less tolerant of problematic/controversial media
just bc something controversial/problematic is depicted in a piece of media doesnt mean that whatever's being depicted is being glorified or encouraged, and good representations in media of controversial/problematic shit that brings said topics to light in a mature or well-written way should be praised rather than condemned along with any fans of said controversial media imo
kind of a ramble but i hope the point gets across (i have very strong opinions on stuff like this if you coulodnt tell)
frail latch
Whys its popular i have no fuckin clue
merry grove
anywayy
frail latch
i really hate how as the years have gone on people have grown to be *much* less ...
Yes bro yes
However back to my point monogatari is just not popular in the atd community cuz of 3 reasons
cedar trench
either way it seems like AV has double standards/hypocritical viewpoints on prob...
it's more like hdxd will probably catch attention from roblox
merry grove
it's more like hdxd will probably catch attention from roblox
AA had the MC of hdxd
im pretty sure ALS has quite a few characters from it too
cedar trench
Whys its popular i have no fuckin clue
someone started it, so why couldn't ppl just start again
dawn rune
it's more like hdxd will probably catch attention from roblox
Roblox actually caring? 
cedar trench
AA had the MC of hdxd
yeah and mha
cedar trench
Roblox actually caring? <:shock:1230429067870732319>
it's just safer man
they're trying to even blacklist stuff they did before for future upds cuz it could catch attention by the rights holders
or whatever
they
merry grove
AA was striked down due to their own complacency
merry grove
AA was striked down due to their own complacency
along with gamefam's own want to eliminate the competition
cedar trench
the problem with monogatari is the popularity
cedar trench
and that it's hard to make monogatari units
frail latch
If i get timed out one more time
frail latch
and that it's hard to make monogatari units
Not really
They have plenty enough material to make unit kits
merry grove
anywayy
i was reading the type moon wiki for shit that could be put in a tamamo kit & its said that she makes strong bonds & is unwaveringly loyal to any master she serves
maybe you could give her an esdeath-like ability of buffing a specific unit in her range along with doing something else with that unit..?
also aside from black flames, i think that purgatory flames could work for her
cedar trench
If i get timed out one more time
what the fuck triggered it
dawn rune
K1ds
cedar trench
They have plenty enough material to make unit kits
there's a lot of material but the balancing and preserving some characteristics
cedar trench
bet
frail latch
there's a lot of material but the balancing and preserving some characteristics
Even for a character like ononoki i can probably think up a unique enough kit
Thats balanced enough and reflects her abilities and characteristics
Each apparition to also has a really unique power too
Like Hachikuji would have a sick gimmick
cedar trench
no spoilers
frail latch
i was reading the type moon wiki for shit that could be put in a tamamo kit & it...
Eh
frail latch
no spoilers
Making enemies lost would be a great idea for a cc
cedar trench
i was reading the type moon wiki for shit that could be put in a tamamo kit & it...
esdeath's case is different i think
but I'm basing tamamo in a fangame
frail latch
Eh
I mean it could work hut i need more ideas
The esdeath mechanic itself is already kinda used in the nero kit and in esdeaths so Tamamo would have to do something unique to make up for it
cedar trench
Making enemies lost would be a great idea for a cc
i think that's just the confusion ability of diavolo
frail latch
i think that's just the confusion ability of diavolo
He has that?
dawn rune
Can't aizen do that aswell?
frail latch
I never used him
dawn rune
When he loses a stock
cedar trench
He has that?
he confuses enemies, basically making them switch directions often
i think
frail latch
I never used aizen either 😭
cedar trench
i dont have diavolo so im basing it on the showcases I remember
frail latch
Idk but hachikuji could have an ability to make enemies lost and never reach a certain destination
How is it gonna be balanced
cedar trench
Can't aizen do that aswell?
i think it's repulse?
frail latch
I don’t wanna think about it
dawn rune
i think it's repulse?
I remember it was called hypnosis
cedar trench
oh wait it makes the enemy walk backwards
dawn rune
How is it gonna be balanced
Like maybe enemies move faster?
cedar trench
I don’t wanna think about it
yeah I dont either
cedar trench
hachikuji feels more like a familiar
like hachikuji familiar could make it so your unit always does random priority
frail latch
Like maybe enemies move faster?
Probably could be something like this
Insert ability or passive name:
makes units walk off the track, sometimes fowards, sometimes backwards, but it will never reach a certain destination determined by x condition
And then you could have her other passives related to her later series abilities
dawn rune
Probably could be something like this
Insert ability or passive name:
makes un...
Does it exactly have to be a certain point?
frail latch
Only monogatari characters that i dont think can be fully made into fill fledged kits are like
The hunters
dawn rune
It can't just last for awhilr
cedar trench
Only monogatari characters that i dont think can be fully made into fill fledged...
oshino meme actually would be a fire unit
frail latch
Does it exactly have to be a certain point?
Don’t want to think about it to hard since im not gonna be making a concept on it
cedar trench
just lemme finish the series
cedar trench
thinking of meme as an exclusive unit
cedar trench
Where are you at rn
i dont remember
frail latch
He could work but you would have to stretch it a bit
cedar trench
but i think im about to start last season?
frail latch
i dont remember
Finished rhe main part of the series?
cedar trench
wait lemme check
frail latch
With ougi
cedar trench
Finished rhe main part of the series?
suruga
and her friend
i finished that i think
frail latch
Oh
Your all the way over there
Oh thank god i didn’t spoil hachikujis stuff then
cedar trench
nisemonogatari and nekomogatari black is so confusing
frail latch
nisemonogatari and nekomogatari black is so confusing
Yeah…
It will all make sense at the end
cedar trench
yeah koyomimonogatari
frail latch
idk if i finished nisemonogatari or nekomonogatari
Neko is the one in spring break right after kizumonogatari
Where he saves hanekawa kinda
cedar trench
but man i need to finish the series so i can watch off & monster season
frail latch
Nise is like mostly about the sisters
frail latch
but man i need to finish the series so i can watch off & monster season
Im telling you dawg
The first half if off and monster
So fucking peak
cedar trench
Nise is like mostly about the sisters
I rmemeber nise is has nekomonogatari part
frail latch
Its the end of nadekos arc and omg
I genuinely pulled off the “peak” pose irl when i finished it
cedar trench
The first half if off and monster
I watched the first
frail latch
I watched the first
Like the first episode?
cedar trench
the first story
frail latch
Oh good
Nadekos arc is right after
Something you have to witness in life bro
The entirety of nadekos arc
WAIT
Are you at the second nadeko arc yet
cedar trench
I remember her getting the first nadeko
with the paper
i forgot if I continued after
frail latch
Alr
Cuz im forgetting
If nadeko eats the paper in nise
Might be a bit later
Well you will see
cedar trench
If nadeko eats the paper in nise
what
cedar trench
oh you mean the talistman?
cedar trench
god arc
frail latch
I think it may ir may not be before hanamonogatari
But had to hit the
Pose irl for both
cedar trench
-has god powers
-gets ragebaited
-turns into slug
frail latch
-has god powers
-gets ragebaited
-turns into slug
Fucking peak right there
I don’t wanna rant about why its so good and the absolute brilliance of kaiki and nadeko rn
cedar trench
im at ep 5
frail latch
Cuz i was lowkey supposed to go to sleep 30 mons ago
cedar trench
in off season
frail latch
in off season
Why are you even watching it when your not finished the main story 😭
cedar trench
Why are you even watching it when your not finished the main story 😭
cuz i cant find the fucking main story
in this stupid site
frail latch
cuz i cant find the fucking main story
Oh 😭 😭 😭
cedar trench
I have to return to kissanime 😭
dawn rune
Just use anicrush
cedar trench
piracy is best when crunchyroll cant give me all of monogatari seasons
frail latch
Well if you have any more ideas for tamamo just ping them here and ill read em
Adios im going to sleep
cedar trench
i only tamamo from a fangame
cedar trench
Well if you have any more ideas for tamamo just ping them here and ill read em
when can you review my concept?
cedar trench
i only tamamo from a fangame
it's a really good fangame
dawn rune
Well if you have any more ideas for tamamo just ping them here and ill read em
You won't be seeing any other pings then 
frail latch
when can you review my concept?
Whenever i wake up and eat breakfast so like 8 hours
cedar trench
in newgrounds
frail latch
You won't be seeing any other pings then <:Sob4k:1366752039912214558>
Feed me ideas
merry grove
im cooking a general idea
dawn rune
Feed me ideas
Its impossible for me to cook up something I have zero knowledge of
frail latch
Its impossible for me to cook up something I have zero knowledge of
Was mostly referring to bray and knee guy
cedar trench
Its impossible for me to cook up something I have zero knowledge of
tap into the deepest secrets of the universe
dawn rune
Was mostly referring to bray and knee guy
I need to sleep now
cedar trench
and you will find
cedar trench
Was mostly referring to bray and knee guy
is tamamo a support?
frail latch
cedar trench
cuz in the fangame, she's kinda a support
frail latch
Ill be awake in 7-8 hours
merry grove
is tamamo a support?
yes
cedar trench
Ill be awake in 7-8 hours
you'll be scrolling on twitter the entire time
dawn rune
you'll be scrolling on twitter the entire time
Wow twitter?
merry grove
Tamamo-no-Mae Concept:
- purgatory flames DOT on attack for (blank)% of her damage
- marks a specific ally in range as her "master", when her and her "master" attack the same enemy, increase crit chance by (blank)% up to (blank)% crit chance.
- performs a counter-attack which inflicts black flames DOT on a short local CD whenever her "master" is inflicted with a debuff/status effect, buffs damage by (blank)% for the duration of the counter attack
- cleanses debuffs/status effect from herself and her "master" on a short local CD (only cleanses if her "master" is inflicted with a debuff/status ailment)
- per cleanse, can inflict curses onto the next enemies she attacks (cannot inflict the same curse twice in a row, also need to think up around 3? curses for her to use.. could go the route of said curses simply being just other status effects in the game such as slow or rupture, but imo that's kind of boring... it works, though. the entire "curse" gimmick could just be replaced with the "diseased" status effect, instead inflicting that onto the next enemies she attacks after a cleanse. i feel like that effect'd be a great substitute for her curses.)
- has an ability inspired by her noble phantasm in which she can inflict curses (or diseased, if we go that route) on every attack and can perform follow-up attacks that deal black flame DOT rather than purgatory flames once her "master" attacks for (blank)% of her damage for (blank) amount of time. follow-ups & counter-attacks cannot curse enemies (or inflict diseased, if we go that route).
stat/misc shit:
holy element
low-mid damage (though makes up for it with variety of unit gimmicks such as her black flames follow-up while her ability's active and the black flames counter-attack)
low spa
mid-high range
4 placement
Shiny: sable mage fit from Extella
@frail latch im usually pretty ass at cooking up ideas in my head without outside guidance or conversation, but i feel really good about this, being my first attempt at an AV unit kit. ofc if you dont like certain parts or shit needs tweaking (probably will need tweaking since im not a balance guy), those could always be altered or changed but i feel like this is an exceptionally good kit to start off with
merry grove
Tamamo-no-Mae Concept:
1. purgatory flames DOT on attack for (blank)% of her dam...
@sweet totem you
give critique
sweet totem
Tamamo-no-Mae Concept:
1. purgatory flames DOT on attack for (blank)% of her dam...
sounds good to me
cedar trench
OH IT'S KANOKON BECAUSE SHE'S A FOX
merry grove
Tamamo-no-Mae Concept:
1. purgatory flames DOT on attack for (blank)% of her dam...
ive been self-glazing over this concept since i made it oh my hgod
everything meshes together so well
merry grove
Tamamo-no-Mae Concept:
1. purgatory flames DOT on attack for (blank)% of her dam...
Maybe purgatory flames DOT could be changed from on-placement to a later upgrade..? Played FGO & she has plenty of magical attacks that aren’t necessarily fire-based. wouldn’t be a half-bad change, if only for balancing reasons tbh. perhaps earlier upgrades could just be standard attacks? (note that I have her max ascended so her attack animations are different from other forms, though I’m assuming this tamamo would be her earlier forms rather than max ascension so this little concern may or may not matter at all. upon watching YouTube videos, the vast majority of her attacks in earlier forms are flame/energy-based..)
i really like the idea of including underutilized status effects in unit concepts if you couldn’t tell based on 2 (or 3, if cursing is replaced with diseased) & imo all of the status effects included fit perfectly for tamamo
sweet totem
It’s the Alucard incident all over again
soft lotus
yes uncle.
sweet totem
NOOOO
soft lotus
old bones
sweet totem
soft lotus
fossil
sweet totem
unc is gilles
soft lotus
soft lotus
soft lotus
ARE YOU SAYING IM LYING????
sweet totem
is that rim*ru <:AichanAngery:596444282777239582>
why are you censoring my glorious lords name.
soft lotus
clever quiver
ai-chan 
soft lotus
hi3 is peak
merry grove
Tamamo-no-Mae Concept:
1. purgatory flames DOT on attack for (blank)% of her dam...
amendments that i can’t make in the original post because im at the discord character limit on it:
- unlike Esdeath’s affection, the passive that marks an allied unit in range as her master does NOT mark other copies of tamamo
- gains purgatory flames at a later upgrade rather than having it on-placement, probably an upgrade on the latter half of her upgrade chain (though I don’t think tamamo would be the most expensive unit to max in the world, around the late 70k-early 90k range). ALSO, FOR CLARIFICATION, she does NOT apply purgatory flames on her follow-up attacks nor counter attacks, just black flames
- gains curse element on the same upgrade in which she gains purgatory flames
@frail latch
frail latch
amendments that i can’t make in the original post because im at the discord char...
Ok just woke up
Lemme just do some stuff then ill review it
merry grove
hope you fw it
so far I’ve gotten approval from 3 people
Only concern so far is maybe the 4 placement but that could honestly go if needed
personally I’d prefer her to stay 4 placement just because I feel like AV severely underutilizes units with 4 or more placements (cha is still the only mythic+ unit in the game with 5 placements btw). feel like a lot of units that had potential to be meta couldve prospered if they were 4 placement rather than 3 (such as Yoruichi, Delta, etc)
frail latch
Only concern so far is *maybe* the 4 placement but that could honestly go if nee...
I like the cleansing master and applying black flames and curse
Something i either don’t know about or think may be redundant is Purgatory flames, and the np ability
Purgatory flames seems like it functions exactly the same as regular flames unless im missing something here and doesn’t seem to contribute all that much to the entire kit as a whole
Same can be said for the NP(not contributing to the entire kit) as it could be intergrated into the a passive alongside the counter attack
Ill start writing a kit with the master mechanic in mind in like a hour
Lemme just finish breakfast and call my college
merry grove
I like the cleansing master and applying black flames and curse
Something i eit...
Purgatory flames increases the damage of other burn types by 20% (iirc only burn & intense burn)
Really good effect unfortunately gatekept to an unobtainable update 0.5 unit 💀
frail latch
Hm
So she would be a
Cleanse support, Crit support, Dot Buffer, and mabye diseased/curse
Need to streamline the idea
merry grove
Purgatory flames increases the damage of other burn types by 20% (iirc only burn...
Not only does the effect imo fit Tamamo’s character, but synchronizes well with the whole theme of her initial kit
merry grove
Cleanse support, Crit support, Dot Buffer, and mabye diseased/curse
Scratch crit support
She’s only buffing her own crit chance
Not her master’s
merry grove
Shrine maiden = luck
Also meshes well with her follow-ups and counter-attacks
I think that deadeye would look really good on her too….
frail latch
😭
Yeah i get shrine maiden for luck but i dont think he fits the kit very well
Unless its supposed to be a jack if all trades unit but master of none
merry grove
I was thinking smthn like that yeah
Her primary focus is support but under the right conditions she can pump out some incredible DPS
Reminder that DOTs can crit too since they follow the damage output rather than damage stat iirc
merry grove
Ability may be able to be repurposed into smthn else but imo the ability’s kind of necessary for not only unlocking her DPS potential w/ the follow up attacks (she’s not losing the capability to counter-attack while her ability’s active either so you can imagine how that’d be pretty busted) but really bringing out her full support capability, the diseased application on attack is something that no other unit in the game currently has (dark mage only applies diseased in a full AOE once he fills his meter, so a more consistent application of the effect would be quite nice). Without it, I feel like if you morphed it into a passive that was always active in some way, it wouldn’t be the most balanced thing ever considering the DPS she’d be doing in her ability.. Particularly the follow-up attacks.
@frail latch
also the effects are tuff
Perhaps we could add something else (not anything too big) to the ability to make it mesh more with the rest of her kit?
frail latch
what themed updates would tamamo be able to fit in
merry grove
Anniversary, spring
sweet totem
castoria and morgan are in the same banner…
merry grove
Anniversary, spring
I could see her being a very nice spring banner exclusive, but iirc you were gonna make her evo item come from the Nero dungeon shop
frail latch
I could see her being a *very* nice spring banner exclusive, but iirc you were g...
probably not gonna do that
just gonna stick with Nero, Lil Tamamo and Dungeon shop as incentives
sweet totem
my goat Bear Bear!s morgan legit carrying me
merry grove
Yeah I was thinking that 😭
sweet totem
more work for unc
frail latch
merry grove
Ability *may* be able to be repurposed into smthn else but imo the ability’s kin...
wyt?
frail latch
ill just move the castoria special evo thing to her own seciton
and include a tamamo section right there
merry grove
Good idea
frail latch
wyt?
lemme just write down the other stuff we discussed into the doc rq in passive format
sweet totem
lemme just write down the other stuff we discussed into the doc rq in passive fo...
vers important question
158 sq
will i get morgan or castoria
merry grove
neither :clearly:
merry grove
no way!
sweet totem
frail latch
what we got so far
@merry grove
i tweaked a small portion of it
but we pretty much have a whole passive and a half to work with
passive 1 name refrence
cuz i have it in my playlist
merry grove
The original condition for cleansing was that her master had to be inflicted with a status effect or debuff rather than herself or anyone else in her range, she just has the added bonus of cleansing herself once she cleanses her master
Wasn’t too sure I worded it all too well in the original idea tbh
Maybe there could be more nuance to cleansing
But rn I’ve got nothing
frail latch
should think of a different conditon
to cleanse
instead of if theya re just inflcited
should be something you have to build a specfic team/build to achieve since its gonna be bonus dmg and support
frail latch
it could be related to if master does x condition, store up a cleanse and tamamo will follow up attack
so that it opens a more direct route for synergy
merry grove
That works
merry grove
Could be takedown related(?)
frail latch
meh
merry grove
That seems kinda boring though yeah
frail latch
the idea behind the passive is uhh
Tamamo and her relationship with the master
Tamamo having great loyalty
idk mabye that sparks inspiration
merry grove
What about if master attacks before tamamo does?
frail latch
hm
something that can be controlled would be a greater condition
idk if you can control that
merry grove
She’d be one to want to defend her master above all else, but if her master goes out on the offensive before her, she could cleanse & follow up
It’d make cleanses a bit less common to get too
Since she’s fast
merry grove
The more I think about the attack CD idea the more I fw it
She has so much synergy
Going with that would make multi-hit units & other follow-up/counterattack units work amazingly with her
frail latch
yep
for t he second passive we can cram in the rest of the other unit niches
since she is a jack of all trades
merry grove
Also
Do you think we’re going with diseased or curses?
One would require a lot more thought process than the other
frail latch
i lowkey don't know what diseased does
dark mage has it right
ahhhhh
50% dot boost
what would curse do
merry grove
what would curse do
Unique debuffs/status effects exclusive to tamamo
One I have in mind is decreasing the max HP of an enemy by (blank)%
frail latch
sounds to strong
merry grove
Or halting regen past a certain point, like rupture but watered down
merry grove
sounds to strong
If it were a value anywhere from 1-5% im not sure it would be
merry grove
Unique debuffs/status effects exclusive to tamamo
Could also go the route of curses simply being random status effects/debuffs applied into enemies
But imo that’s kind of boring….
frail latch
it could be a mix of CC and DOT support to compliment her being a jack of all trades unit
it just would need to have a unique effect
merry grove
Perhaps
But so far I’m leaning towards diseased as a substitute for her curses for the sake of simplicity
Don’t wanna make her kit too convoluted
frail latch
yeah tha works to
merry grove
But so far I’m leaning towards diseased as a substitute for her curses for the s...
Diseased + purgatory flames is gonna be so disgusting 😭
Actually a really evil combo
frail latch
applies on follow up attack on enemies with flame
to emphasize the synergy in passive 1
merry grove
Actually a really evil combo
Tamamo’ll be a must-have in burn teams