Host an actual VOTE after an update to determine the rating

[abstract carbon]

can nuke whole map

no cd

wipes out enemies

lol

[river trellis]

Dude

I want more hellsing stuff for an Anderson unit SO fucking bad

but

I can't imagine a hellsing update actually going over that well

[glacial patio]

hellsling isnt popular enough

maybe as a .75 or .5

[river trellis]

It's not even about that

I'm sure a unit like Seras being designed "accurately" or our "politically distinct enemy group" would be great additions

[dim whale]

What we truly need is a whitebeard vanguard 😈

[vapid eagle]

True :C

Maybe they giving alucard an anderson skin at most, a whole upd would be too much

[river trellis]

Yknow what

An anderson skin would go hard for an AoT unit maybe

Depending on who we add

[stark geyser]

yh u can create the voting system in game aswell

like mailbox

was a thing

holy shit i might be cooking

frfr

[finite mango]

I agree with you but they don’t respect time, weekly updates actually fry me

[peak knoll]

ye voting in game would be so much better

[stark geyser]

and maybe make the level req to be lvl 20+

[nimble trail]

The grind respects your time, not the update schedule

Like if i put in 2 hours into getting a unit, I know imma get it in als

If i do the same for av, I aint getting shit

[finite mango]

same thing here IMO

[nimble trail]

Wdym?

[finite mango]

i feel like the grind in this game is not HORRIBLE

[nimble trail]

No, it is

The grind here is chance based

[finite mango]

yeah pity’s are high rates are low, but I don’t find grinding in this game extremely boring

[nimble trail]

Als has a pity for everything at a low number

If you grind in als, you receive in als

If you grind here, you MIGHT receive

[finite mango]

I mean cause with 3x speed game modes still take a long time

[nimble trail]

Not nearly as long as the 20 minute ant dungeon

[finite mango]

and als uses theoretical probability

[stark geyser]

yo chat did i cook??

[finite mango]

I mean grinding for vsjw in this game is grinding for a godly in als

[stark geyser]

gauranteed vangaurds> gacha vangaurds

[finite mango]

3x speed IMO saves the game, not me calling it bad tho

[nimble trail]

Yeah, and that’s one unit from this game that is an absolute

Its as simple as that, the grind in als is shorter and more rewarding

The grind here is longer, and less rewarding

[finite mango]

not every vanguard unit in this game should be a quest

if als were you drop a rollable godly better than all others would you be for it or against it?

[vapid eagle]

True

[vapid eagle]

Huh wdym its not rewarding

[wet sapphire]

cid quest

that shit was a nightmare

[nimble trail]

You can spend 2 hours to get lfelt and you MIGHT get her

[wet sapphire]

the same as gilgamesh

[vapid eagle]

Didnt they add a pity?

Or am I wrong

[nimble trail]

Not for portal units

Same goes to rimuru

You MAYBE will get them after spending hours on hours

[wet sapphire]

meh

[vapid eagle]

You talked about lfelt

[nimble trail]

There’s never a guarantee, shit aint rewarding

[vapid eagle]

Does she have a pity

[nimble trail]

Thats a portal unit

[wet sapphire]

frieren quest will be a nightmare for sure

[vapid eagle]

Ah the ingame portal

Unit

Completly forgot that buu and she has that

[flint elk]

im still waiting for jhonny

[vapid eagle]

Well you cant make everything easy obtainable icl

[wet sapphire]

the godly poll was a lie

[nimble trail]

And it seems you blur the line of “easy to get” and “bullshit odds”

[vapid eagle]

85 percent of the units ingame got a pity

[vapid eagle]

Well the game is still rewarding

In seasonal portals

We are getting 2 10 pulls

Compared to als

[nimble trail]

Harder units should be a grind-able quest, not a bullshit “maybe”

[vapid eagle]

Should vanguards also have a pity, for you?

[nimble trail]

Dont compare it to als, ar least if i play that i know imma get the shit i want with enough effort as a certainty

[river trellis]

She was supposed to, but they couldn't code it in with the way the portal secrets are handled

[vapid eagle]

Ah, understandable

[vapid eagle]

Well in als, you aint even actively play the game. I wouldnt Put the Word effort if you mention als

[nimble trail]

Everything should have a pity

Luck should never be a factor in whether someone is determined to get something or not

It should be a tool used to get something BEFORE others

[finite mango]

🙌 was finna say this

[nimble trail]

The same goes for av

[finite mango]

mb im sorry

[nimble trail]

In fact, id say more of av is botted and m@cr0’d than in als

[finite mango]

not everything should have a pity imo

[nimble trail]

Then you clearly do not know good game design

[finite mango]

more m@cr0 prob botted nah

[vapid eagle]

Thats how some games are. There is luck in almost every game. Take for example league of legends, there is also a sanctum giving excalted skins. You could be getting lucky and get it in your first 10 pull or waste 250 dollars

[vapid eagle]

I need dopamine

Did i spell it right

[nimble trail]

SKINS

Oh my god the optional stuff requires luck? Such a big deal

Now imagine if they did that with characters…you’d find that bullshit, wouldn’t you?

[vapid eagle]

I dont think so

[finite mango]

exactly it’s part of the thrill and secret of grinding games like av, not knowing if your goi to get something or not and getting it builds hype

[vapid eagle]

Well keep one Thing in mind

[finite mango]

and dopamine like this guy said

[wet sapphire]

als really made people want everything easily

pity for it
pity for that

pity for familiars next

[vapid eagle]

We didnt had pity beforehand, we got it now. They are going in the right direction. You even saw a tester write that they wanted to give her also a pity but THE CODE didnt let them

[wet sapphire]

pity for vanguard

[vapid eagle]

So my friend

[nimble trail]

No, it didn’t, it gave us a taste of the developers respecting the fact we put time and effort into their game, so they reward us

[vapid eagle]

They did try it but it couldnt work

They kinda Do agree with you

But again

The code fucked them over

[finite mango]

for example vsjw and Kaguya, I wasn’t as excited getting vsjw compared to kaguya cause I KNEW I was going to get him, pulling kaguya is something I didn’t know would happen which led to me getting her faster than vsjw

[vapid eagle]

But if you want to hear my opinion. Idc if there are pitys or not, you shouldnt be able to have everything in a game

[finite mango]

it’s all about the thrill and how dedicated you are, this is why the games pity system is higher than others

[vapid eagle]

I still dont got her lol

[finite mango]

THISSSSSS

[nimble trail]

If you put the time and effort in, you should be guaranteed to get what you want

[vapid eagle]

I am unsure if i even gonna pull her

[vapid eagle]

Thats not how life works

I wanted the lb units back then, didnt got it even tho i tried

[stark geyser]

boo

[finite mango]

you could put time and effort into a job and still not get it/get promoted

that’s just not how it is

[wet sapphire]

2x speed, auto upgrade, pity for rare stuff, pity for everything
als just make sure you guys ignore how horrible is the game with making you feel your time is rewarded

[nimble trail]

Yet again, clearly good game design clearly is just too much for you to handle then

This is you guys now taking it to an extreme when it doesn’t have to be

[flint elk]

there is pity in everything in als cuz they dont need to survive by his economy

[wet sapphire]

als
the game that needs to justify their garbage ass balancing with making rerolls farmeable

[vapid eagle]

Well that Was my opinion. But dont ignore the stuff i stated above about lleft. The devs are kinda agreeing with your Statement because they tried to give her a pity

Welp

Code didnt want that

[nimble trail]

Yknow what’s funny? Ive never seen an als fan make fun of an av fan

You are the only community doing this shit in a one sided beef, they couldn’t even care about you and yet you yap and screech at their community

[finite mango]

this, the game covers is insane update schedule (weekly updates is insane) and poor mechanics/power creep with making things easier which leads players to come back

[vapid eagle]

In the end of the day i will let ppl play what they want. Even tho i also dont like als, its just not interactive

[marble sand]

fuck av fuck als

we all on AWTD

[vapid eagle]

I hate how slop is ruling roblox games nowdays

[marble sand]

🤞

[finite mango]

😭

[vapid eagle]

After they killed their first game. I am Done with it

[nimble trail]

Meh, the scaling looked horrid in that game, I dont like full aoe nuking simulators

[finite mango]

off topic but how does chrollo keep getting away with making slop games

[nimble trail]

Who?

[finite mango]

creator of basketball zero tennis zero and volleyball zero

[nimble trail]

Oh, never heard of those

[marble sand]

dont matter since its took PEAK!

[polar slate]

look guys

[marble sand]

got the best blessing out of any tds game too

🤤

[vapid eagle]

Children are dumb nowdays and most devs are scummy nowdays

Not counting my glorious av devs

[flint elk]

the same as battleground

[vapid eagle]

That surely give shiny saiko her crown in Her future

[finite mango]

BRING ANIME DEFENDERS BACK

[vapid eagle]

IT SHOULD HAD BEEN ME NOT HIM

[vapid eagle]

Deserved to die

[polar slate]

LOLOL

[vapid eagle]

Damn i May collect all the shiny Version of the units from the seasonal banner before i maybe collect kaguya :C.

[nimble trail]

Here you go

Av devs are shitty people as well

[vapid eagle]

Hopefully she finds me

[wet sapphire]

i didn't even make fun of you for playing als

[vapid eagle]

Well its a bit cussing whats wrong with that

[wet sapphire]

why would i
i hate als and you like it
i express why i dislike it

[vapid eagle]

You should had been in the voicechat when modern warfare released

[wet sapphire]

im not trying to make you hate als

[nimble trail]

Its the fact he insulted someone for being right, just because he was butthurt

You dont insult your playerbase

[vapid eagle]

Be honest that guy He answered got severe brain damage with that horrible take

[nimble trail]

No, it was a good take, this game does NOT require skill outside of leaderboards or tourneys

[vapid eagle]

What are you defining as skill

Hoping i typed that right

[nimble trail]

Literally anything but what this game offers

This game is mostly just place down meta units and win, maybe use a support unit here and there, maybe switch up the team slightly for different gamemodes

Anything outside of competitive gamemodes has no skill required, and im not gonna act like it does

[candid moth]

did you saw that "secre is the key"

[wet sapphire]

a game shouldn't force you to play only on weekends because outside of it is stupid
a game shouldn't force you to only go for 2 traits meanwhile the rest are useless (glitch is a mistake)
a game shouldn't have low as hell rates to justify pity

[finite mango]

bro it’s the same thing in als, place down units and win

[nimble trail]

I never said I hated that fact, but the guy psyeph insulted was RIGHT

[wet sapphire]

i won't even talk about enchants
biggest bs of als

[nimble trail]

What?

[vapid eagle]

Because skill doesnt always mean HIGH SKILL where you need 823826372 amp to kill your enemy jggl while He is clearing blue buff because you are goated at jggl tracking. You could simply use the right units against specific weather mechanics or elemental reactions. And idk why you are discrediting tourney and lb, those 2 and maybe pvp gotta be the game modes where you need the highest skill

[finite mango]

??? Some content in als isn’t even beatable without glitches and avatars

[nimble trail]

I literally said multiple times OUTSIDE OF COMPETITIVE MODES

[vapid eagle]

"Anything outside of competitive gamemodes has no skill required, and im not gonna act like it does". Bro no shit anything outside of competitive gamemodes doent require as much skill

[candid moth]

in the same docs u read

[nimble trail]

Yet again, we are not talking about that, we are talking about the fact that a dev got butthurt because someone was right about a flaw in the game, so he resorted to insults instead of taking it into account

[vapid eagle]

Bro that guy in the picture you showed me said there is no skill

[vapid eagle]

You legit agreed with him right here

I told you that the game has skill

[finite mango]

soo what I said was right then als and the same issue

[vapid eagle]

We both agree that there is skill needed in this game

[nimble trail]

And i never said als didnt have the same issue

[vapid eagle]

You legit contradict yourself

[finite mango]

just av devs have PROVED almost everything but ex stages can be soloed without monarchs

[finite mango]

literally

[vapid eagle]

Alr solo for me the cosmic, holy Land of the god portal

[nimble trail]

Jesus fucking christ, I cant do this shit today, yall giving me a migraine

Im just gonna close discord and do something that will actually make me happy

[vapid eagle]

If you do that

I agree with you

[finite mango]

holy cosmic portals alone aren’t hard bring lancer but land of the gods….

bro MIGHT have gotten me there

[vapid eagle]

Yk why i know that, because i got abused in that Portal

I hate that map lmao

[vapid eagle]

Mb if i over reacted🐢🫂

Here some kittys

[flint elk]

[vapid eagle]

I dont get what you mean

Could you explain it as if i am slow

🐢

[river trellis]

Lancer doesn’t affect holy and cosmic prevents him from applying rupture anyways

[vapid eagle]

Vro i just evolved normal rudeus and not shiny rudeus

I am broke on essences NOOOO

[nimble trail]

Do you misunderstand the post?

The post is asking the devs hold a vote for the RATING of each update after it’s released

Not the CONTENT of the updates

[candid moth]

[river trellis]

The rating isn’t that deep 🥀

[nimble trail]

No, for me it is

The devs need to quit fueling their egos and accept that the past few updates have either been mid or utter shit

[vapid eagle]

They did agree that this upd Was sloppy

[muted prism]

It's his game

He don't care if one person leaves

[vapid eagle]

I wouldnt say that all the devs got immense ego. I May be glazing them too much, but i am playing roblox for a long time and somehow These devs are one of the few devs (including derelict devs) that are at least open and some how nice and at least talk to you from time to time

[river trellis]

They haven't accepted it?

I thought it was pretty common knowledge among the team that 6.0 was a flop because PvP was a buggy mess and that 6.5 was just a boring rewrite, but at least it works

[vapid eagle]

Ye thats what they also said on stage

I am 100 percent sure that pvp will shiny bright in the future

[stark geyser]

yo chat did i cook withmy idea of gviving the poll ingame?

[nimble trail]

this update being an 8/10?

really?

heavy bullshit

if we let them see this as a good update, it will become the norm

[river trellis]

I mean, that's what the community roughly said on stage.

A majority was in the 7-8 range.

It's not a bad update. Winter worked, there's nothing wrong with rehashing it for a little while while they gather things together and refocus efforts. It's a filler update, and for being a filler update, it does its job fairly well.

[copper cedar]

Definitely agree with this but the suggestion still holds merit, last update would have not gotten a 7.5 in rating if the entire community got to vote due to how harsh av’s player count declined

While I’m not too fond of the upd myself since I’m getting shafted with kaguya 8 is a solid rating

[river trellis]

I think the only thing that was really bad about 6.0 was just how much it still hasn't worked properly

I still wish Baiken wasn't locked behind PvP but

She's one of the strongest units in the game so ig I kinda understand it

[copper cedar]

Yeah there has to be some divide I definitely get that

[copper cedar]

I think it’s a a mix of waiting for the update, the long maintenance, and how the cid update was received

[nimble trail]

yet its a biased response

they need to realize that the people joining the stage are the mega glazers, some of them make time to join the stage, they take the time to listen to a group of devs yap

[river trellis]

Wasn't much that could be done about the long maintenance with how hard it was to get PvP to actually function on live servers

Also I don't think it's really fair to say that stage audience is "the mega glazers", because people will join just to listen in on things regardless. Yes, it's a small portion of the playerbase because stage gets like 2-3k audience members usually, but even still. There are plenty of people who rated updates poorly in there

[nimble trail]

"plenty" yet its still the minority, allow EVERYONE to make an actual rating, and the results will be much different

[eternal pasture]

I don’t think it’s that important

But I do agree that it should be something the whole community should vote on

Like something in the mailbox

That hasn’t been used since update 5.5

[nimble trail]

I believe it is
think about it, if they start to actually believe that slop like update 6 was a 6/10, and that this update is an 8/10, they're going to get sloppy

they're going to lose the drive to work harder, and they will produce nothing but slop

[river trellis]

Update 6 being a 6/10

[nimble trail]

thats just how humans are, let them be comfy, and make them believe that they can get away with mediocrity, and they will

[river trellis]

🥀

[eternal pasture]

Update 6 was a 6/10 if you don’t think about the bugs

[nimble trail]

No, it really wasn't

[river trellis]

I'd say maybe 6-7. Probably easily an 8 if i just kinda ignore PvP and baiken by extension.

[nimble trail]

PvP isn't fun at all, and was the main focus of the update

[eternal pasture]

6….7?

[river trellis]

PvP never appealed to me regardless

[nimble trail]

the units were meh

[river trellis]

Yeah

Like as a whole

[nimble trail]

it was the fate update with a bad gamemode

[river trellis]

The units were cool, they were designed well, their models are really well made/animated

[nimble trail]

I thought only specific units were cool, lfelt was okay imo

[copper cedar]

Cooked

[nimble trail]

but still, that update was an absolute tire fire

literal 2/10

[river trellis]

Nah

That's just delusional

[nimble trail]

you have to take into consideration how long we waited for it as well

by far it was one of the longer wait times for any update

[river trellis]

Big deal

[nimble trail]

and yet it still released half playable

[marble sand]

i dont think it was a 2/10, but defo was not a 8/10

[whole parcel]

why the fuck does this rating matter? mfs are gonna enjoy different upds regardless of the quality

[marble sand]

to be real the upd was like a 6/10

[river trellis]

Yeah

That's what I said too

[nimble trail]

Because we cant let the developers believe that mediocrity deserves an 8/10

[river trellis]

I said about an 8 just if I ignored PvP

[eternal pasture]

It’s a 2/10 if we include the bugs

[copper cedar]

Being fair that’s kinda ignoring the majority of the update, things like that you gotta include in ratings regardless of how bad it was. But yeah ignoring pvp the update was a solid 7

[nimble trail]

thats what I was doing
Im including the bugs, considering it took them nearly a whole month, there should be 0 bugs

[whole parcel]

i mean yeah but most mfs here dont actually look at what makes the upd good/bad they js vote whether its fun or not which is why it has a 8/10

[river trellis]

Oh, of course. I know you have to include it in an overall rating, but there's nothing wrong with separating the two

[chilly plinth]

Point is ignoring PVP shouldnt be done

since they hyped it up so much for a few updates

[tight needle]

its truly subjective tbh but if something has flaws it can be easily identified

[chilly plinth]

Didnt they say something among the lines that the cid raid update was bad because they were focusing on PVP?

[marble sand]

if i include pvp, the update is becoming 4/10

[copper cedar]

Yeah I get your point with the update not being as bad as ppl say it’s cool

[marble sand]

maybe 3/10

because pvp was not good

[nimble trail]

but it wasnt fun?
PvP was by far the worst gamemode ever added, less fun than the dandadan gamemode even
The first day of the update was nearly unplayable if I recall due to bugs
People got lucky and got the Lfelt portal, only for it to be bugged with no compensation

[river trellis]

Considering that test server doesn't even have new things for at least two weeks, that "whole month" doesn't really matter much. And considering that shit that works fine on test server doesn't always translate to working fine on live, it starts mattering even less.

[whole parcel]

the problem with this system its literally just a number like my anime list it can get a 7/10 and u will never know why its bad js based of the numbers

[river trellis]

I disagree, there's still some merit to being able to differentiate parts of the game and give them ratings, as long as you're still giving the game as a whole an overall rating.

[whole parcel]

thats for u some ppl had fun i do agree it also the worst game mode in av history but doesent exclude the fact ppl still had fun with it

[nimble trail]

almost NOBODY had fun with it, I dont know where you're looking, but to me, nobody enjoyed it, and even less people were thrilled to find out you need 10 ranked wins for a unit

and lets be honest, PvP? Its just ass, all of it is ass

banning 6 units? Ass

Looking at the units your opponent has?

ass

[peak knoll]

i had fun with it pre lfelt nerf when i won every game

but thats pre much it

[nimble trail]

Either remove the thing where you look at your opponents units, or lower the ban count to 3

[chilly plinth]

Key point you were using something insanely braindead to win every game

[glacial patio]

pvp was never gonna work in a game like this because its meant to be unbalanced

[peak knoll]

exactly

[river trellis]

Ah yes, let me just ban random fucking units my opponent may or may not even own

Brilliant idea

[chilly plinth]

After the nerf(and espcially higher ranks) the games start to get extremely long

[glacial patio]

better than, oh they have 3 monarchs? lets ban those, now i win!

[nimble trail]

that's literally how shit works in every other ranked game with a banlist

you ban shit not knowing whether or not your opponent mains it

[chilly plinth]

Its more of a "who survives the longest!" thing

[river trellis]

Take out any and all strategy involved with being able to ban units

[glacial patio]

THERE IS NO STRATEGY IN PVP

this game isnt balacned it doesnt work with pvp

[nimble trail]

there's already 0 strategy

[whole parcel]

i mean yeah almost nobody had fun with it doesent mean nobody had fun with it they are some ppl and thats why this rating system is close to pointless

[peak knoll]

point being its only fun when its easy so they should increase money gain further so it isnt as slow

[nimble trail]

its save money, spend it all 3x on a fast as fuck ant

[glacial patio]

ive said this before and the devs just said "dw we found a way" clearly they did NOT.

[chilly plinth]

If we went a little deeper than that

[river trellis]

You ban shit based on whether it's strong in the current meta or counters you as an individual player. Not as someone with a bunch of minions

[eternal pasture]

Yea unless they hard reset the game and rebalance every single unit with PvP in mind

PvP is not balanced

[nimble trail]

yet again, pvp never needed to exist

we didnt want it

we dont need it

[glacial patio]

^^

[river trellis]

Some people did

[glacial patio]

pvp doesnt work with gacha

[river trellis]

Some people enjoy pvp

[nimble trail]

some

[tight needle]

i mean yeah the whole rating system is pointless tbh ppl enjoy diff things at the end of the day

[nimble trail]

congrats to the 3 people you just mentioned

[glacial patio]

those people enjoy pvp when its balanced.

[peak knoll]

hate when ppl say this

[chilly plinth]

-Either people spam ants right at the start with shields(and since most people dont bring shield breakers they lose)
-People wait till mid game to send one high HP life drain and you instantly win the game
-If they bring something with immunity(most of them are full AOE) you just use resilient and you win

[peak knoll]

just cause a minority liked it doesnt change anything

[glacial patio]

whats the point of playing pvp when its just a RNG fest

[chilly plinth]

In all 3 cases its send one type of ant and you win

[glacial patio]

theres no strategy

[peak knoll]

its fine if they wanted to sneak it into an upd but they made it the whole selling point of one and thats wehre they went wrong

[glacial patio]

WL traitless has better pvp than pvp

[whole parcel]

i mean yeah its so subjective tbh

[river trellis]

Woah, building teams with counters to specific things in mind, who could've ever guessed that this would be a part of a TD

[glacial patio]

building teams to counter things works way better in WL traitless than real pvp, because real pvp is just banning every counter to 1 mechanic and spamming that mechanic

[tight needle]

well yeah dont give a shit we are humans after all tbh
mfs just gonna come and compare shit regardlessly all that matters is whether u had fun or not
and ik ppl js gonna ignore this shit so im moving on with my day

[chilly plinth]

Shiver me timbers my opponent sent a 600x HP resilient and life drain such strategy when my vergil(immune to life drain) doesnt do damage because of resilient and my other DPS (doesnt have immunity) gets destroyed

[river trellis]

At the end of the day, PvP is also an entirely optional thing that nobody is forcing you to play (outside of baiken, which I still don't like but it is what it is at this point)

[peak knoll]

this is why they need to lower the ban count but also amke ur bans apply to ur opponents

[chilly plinth]

The banning phase aint even about banning whats good anymore its about banning sparks and units with immunity

[river trellis]

Vergil basically counters resilient lmao

[whole parcel]

yeah tbh cya

[chilly plinth]

he does NOT

[river trellis]

like 80% of his DPS comes from his follow-up attacks

In a tiny ass aoe

[glacial patio]

this doesnt take away of how bad a gamemode is lol

[glacial patio]

and wyd when hes banned

[eternal pasture]

Leave

And pray my next match he isn’t banned

[peak knoll]

yet they still decided to spent time and ressources(something they complain abt constantly) on it
which could have been spent on something else

[river trellis]

You use other things? Lucy, Medea

[chilly plinth]

and if sending resilient doesnt work people can just send one ant with 4000x HP and immunity and it'll just push past through everything

[glacial patio]

wyd if those are banned

you have more than1 ban

[peak knoll]

u have 5

which is way too much

[nimble trail]

6

[peak knoll]

mb havent played in a min

[nimble trail]

So its worse than you thought

[river trellis]

If it's traited, you have a familiar to deal with it

[dim whale]

And guilty gear.

[glacial patio]

my problem is u just ban everything that counters braindead modifiers like resil or energy drain and u just spam that

[river trellis]

GG was not a bad part

[chilly plinth]

Only an idiot would play traited

Its a death wish especially with those whales spending money on the game

[glacial patio]

if its traited they just ban ur monarchs and outlast u lol

[river trellis]

If it's traitless, there's still units without full aoe that deal with resilient just fine

[glacial patio]

like ive been saying PVP wont work in an unbalanced agme like this

[dim whale]

It definitely was one of the biggest reasons the upd flopped

[peak knoll]

ye whoever has 7 monarchs wins basically

[glacial patio]

wyd if they have energy drain too

😂

[chilly plinth]

Problem is that most of them arent immune(and if they are people with more than 2 braincells ban them)

[glacial patio]

and they ban Al

[river trellis]

And if you're letting an opponent "send an ant with 4000x hp and immunity" then you're doing something wrong by letting them get to that point

[peak knoll]

it was btw

[eternal pasture]

Yea when the update first dropped the thumbnail was just some random girl I haven’t seen in my life

[glacial patio]

dont need 400x

[dim whale]

Yea lol

[chilly plinth]

My fault theres a limit to sending ant(300) that i accidentally reached because i clicked the button once too many time

Surely this was fixed yet.. oh wait it wasnt!!!!

[dim whale]

A unit being locked behind a dead gamemode is also just stupid

[eternal pasture]

Hopefully they don’t add another game mode that’s boring asf

[river trellis]

Supposedly it was fixed on test and I have no idea why the fuck it hasn't been pushed yet 🥀

[dim whale]

Soon enough itll become unfeasible to evo byeken

[river trellis]

Also yes, I agree with this

[peak knoll]

ong it made ppl not want to play the upd more since their first impressions were forced and unfun(and buggy)

[dim whale]

Because you wont even find 10 games

[peak knoll]

they said they arent gna add any for a while on stage dw

[chilly plinth]

Worst part is that they hyped it up so much with a 5mil robux tourny just for them to go radio silence when it was released

[glacial patio]

the most "PVP" this game has is leaderboards

[eternal pasture]

Yea

[chilly plinth]

Likely because they know PVP is too buggy to even do it

[eternal pasture]

There’s really no other game mode to add in a td game

[dim whale]

Byeken might become more limited than gogeta at this rate

[peak knoll]

they still doing that after the bug fixes i think
which will revive the gamemode a lil

[dim whale]

10 games of pvp?

Thats harder than pulling kaguya nowadays

[peak knoll]

ik ur joking but ppl will just queue snipe

[dim whale]

5 bajillion years queues

[peak knoll]

lile their friends

since no one is plaing

[river trellis]

shiiiiit

[dim whale]

Yeah its gonna have to be that

[river trellis]

maybe thats what I shouldve tried doing for my buddy

[dim whale]

How else are you gonna find games

I did it first week and havent touched the mode since

I dont even use baiken besides tourneys

[peak knoll]

nah first few days i found a bunch of games

got the mount then stopped

[dim whale]

Maybe id try her in these ports since she does a lot of things by herself

If i didnt need to bring 4 fodder units

[polar slate]

✋

[river trellis]

Don’t say that, they’ll jump you for being contrarian

[eternal pasture]

I would love PvP if it didn’t have 6 bans in iron

[river trellis]

What

[eternal pasture]

Iron

[river trellis]

Oh

[polar slate]

[eternal pasture]

I forgot there’s no placement matches

[river trellis]

Okay I was gonna say

[polar slate]

oh

[river trellis]

There shouldn’t be bans in unranked games lol

[polar slate]

agreed hopefully those fixed comes soon cuz pvp is actually amazing

[eternal pasture]

All they need to do to fix it

Is buff rewards

Maybe placement matches

Idk

[river trellis]

I don’t know what happened to the send limit fix

[polar slate]

its lowkey a good way of farming gems too

[river trellis]

Also placement matches just wouldn’t really work

[eternal pasture]

Maybe rising ban numbers too

Like in iron you start with 3 bans

[dim whale]

Theyd need to buff rewards by orders of magnitude for it to change much ngl

THe overall attitude about the mode is too negative now

For simple reward buffs to do much

Plus in my experience its really not fun

Atleast traits isnt

Its just "oh you have more monarchs than me" and then they leave

[eternal pasture]

That’s like in every comp game mode with traits

Traits shouldn’t have been added tbh

[dim whale]

Not nearly as bad

In wl, shre

Inf? Not even.

[dim whale]

Too bad this is roblox ig

[river trellis]

tbh I found traitless a lot more fun anyways

I do with any of the modes, really

[sage pine]

i dont think that matters much

theres prob just traits bc it gives devs more money

[river trellis]

It does

Because it means there's a certain audience to appeal to

[dim whale]

It matters

[sage pine]

they chose to appeal to that specific audience tho

[dim whale]

The game was supposed to be aa's successor

Yeah they did

But that choice was made like an year ago

[vapid eagle]

Damn this shit still on going

[dim whale]

Or longer

[sage pine]

yea

[dim whale]

Plus isnt even astdx adding traits

Dont think theres gonna be a single atd now without traits

[sage pine]

found it funny when they started shitting on aa cause this game was supposed to be aas successor 😭

[golden drum]

traits are like a strat to keep ppl grinding ngl and it works way too well

[dim whale]

Ofc they did lmfao aa rerelease was dogshit

[sage pine]

not really sure as to why they did that

[dim whale]

Plus av did rebrand

[dim whale]

Gamba gamba

[river trellis]

i miss when awtd didnt

it was so much more fun

[marble sand]

awtd didnt like have much of a choice tho

[dim whale]

Arent awtd rrs farm able atleast

[marble sand]

very farmable

[river trellis]

fuck if i know

[marble sand]

afk hub is extremely good

and 🥭 is obvs good, barely anyone actually does in the game

theres like only 1 AHK in the game which isnt even good

[vapid eagle]

Icl them adding 6 Star and 7 Star bs, Was a major plotpoint for their downfall

[queen oriole]

Cmon man censor that

[sage pine]

wrd

[sage pine]

i quit when the first 6 star was added so i csnt rllly say much about it

[eternal pasture]

6 stars were cool

[queen oriole]

Indeed

[eternal pasture]

7 stars outdated them instantly tho

[worn oar]

8/10 is crazy 😭

[dim whale]

It wouldnt be lower than 7 cl

Even in a non biased poll

[worn oar]

For me its a 5

Worse than winter in any way

[dim whale]

Well good on you but i dont think thats the majority opinion

[worn oar]

Invincible hard carried

[dim whale]

I dont love it either but this is just a conventional upd in this genre

Its just portals, hard to mess that up

[worn oar]

Well, thats the thing

[river trellis]

Kaguya is just better than gogeta tbh

[worn oar]

3rd porta upd

[river trellis]

And rimuru is better than ragna

[dim whale]

Well yea shes better overall

[river trellis]

Valentines event didn’t exist, it was exclusively a shop

[vapid eagle]

These assets made it a 23/7 icl

[river trellis]

But saying it’s worse than winter in any way

[vapid eagle]

Wait i still didnt get kaguya

Lets make it a 7/23

[river trellis]

Spring I mean

[vapid eagle]

Until i get her

[dim whale]

Rimuru is okay i cant be asked him care about him personally but i can see why others might

[vapid eagle]

I am glad they added hibani

[worn oar]

Obviously hes good

[dim whale]

Hey man i didnt need to bring 4 fodder units in winter ports

[worn oar]

And obviously most of the units are better than what we had

[vapid eagle]

More fire units that will make rengoku somehow useable

[dim whale]

Rengoku is cooked

The donut shall never be meta 👿

[vapid eagle]

Trust bro

[river trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[vapid eagle]

There will somehow be a fire unit that makes him broken

[worn oar]

But being forced to bring 5 units that wont help much is kinda crazy

[vapid eagle]

Ik it will happen

Wait is saiko a burn unit?

[worn oar]

Nah, rengoku is just a complement, nothing will make it broken

[vapid eagle]

Lemme check that

[worn oar]

Ye

[river trellis]

Rengoku on his way to take a college loan to turn a 30% burn into a 36% burn

[vapid eagle]

Damn she is a even worse raid and fire unit than rengoku

[worn oar]

Is just a normal burn unit, nothing special

[vapid eagle]

I May gonna

Crash out

[dim whale]

The 4 units to get 100% buff, and the skin choices are worse than winter tho cant lie

[vapid eagle]

Idk why i thought she was bleed

Maybe cuz of the unbound element

[dim whale]

Winter had a skin for saber who was a top tier unit back then, and gojo, who was considered pretty good back then

All the units who got skins this upd are fucking buns

Gilgamesh had no business getting ts

Bros been unobtainable for months

[vapid eagle]

I am all in if they give unob units a skin, at least 1 skin for an unob (at most 2)

[dim whale]

Gilgamesh already had like 3 skins

[worn oar]

I do like the orihime skin, shes pretty useful if u are running one unit and paired it with foo

[vapid eagle]

I would had love a skin for any other unit than gil

[dim whale]

Shes such a mid buff tho

Never using her outside of ports

[vapid eagle]

What chance is higher

Me getting kaguya

Or a ddd unit to get a seasonal skin

[dim whale]

Me getting another kaguya dupe is the most likely outcome

[vapid eagle]

If you get another kaguya

I am gonna find you ingame and rob all your monarchs

And vanguards

[dim whale]

🤫

I probably will at some point

[vapid eagle]

Are you magrcoring

🐢

[dim whale]

✅

Gotta stock up on the stupid bum cats and you get a decent about of rolls too

[vapid eagle]

Oh alr alr

[nimble trail]

bump

[humble kraken]

6.5 was fine, I'd give it a 7/10

[eternal pasture]

Since you said that this update is ass

[edgy ether]

An in-game voting. Yeah sure 1,10 voting and calculate the average after next update drops. and maybe some requirements like at least evolving 1 unit from the upd or so

[nimble trail]

this would be the ideal situation

since it would allow all players to vote, rather than just the discord members

[humble kraken]

?

[edgy ether]

just like how it is on playstore except that is botted sometimes but Yeah, you get the idea

[humble kraken]

I've... never said this update was ass?

[golden drum]

imo this upd was like a solid 7/10, it was a breath of fresh air from all of these omg new mechanic omg new new new new stuff every new upd

[muted prism]

saying that bc u didnt get a monarch

[vapid eagle]

1970 jr, i know those tricks

[queen oriole]

I can get 200 rr from the shop , it’s a automatic 10/10

[golden drum]

??? what's that supposed to do w/ anything

i'm not biased about monarchs at all

[nimble trail]

bump

[copper cedar]

After 6 nights of farming afk with vip 💔

[wet vigil]

What about trolls

[long coral]

ong

this update is like 7/10 for me

portal mechanic is reused

i mean it's only the 3rd time and better than the valentine imo and it's not that boring

but it's nothing much

there're new vanguard and there's [TITLE CARD]

but nothing too much

8/10 is a bit too much

oh wait yeah right

i just remember the multipliers

most of the time you can only get 75% since most of them arent enough to clear so you need to bring 1 carry

100% and you either lose a carry or a farm which both are very annoying

[sly lichen]

5/10

tbh

[bold vortex]

you dont need double farm, drop takaroda for gizelle, since he's 9 placement

[nimble trail]

bump

[dim whale]

Relative to WHAT is my question lol

If there is no update ever that would go to 8 or 9 on the scale, then the scale is pointless.

[sly lichen]

relative to my opinion

[wet sapphire]

we all known the upd is a 6/10

[humble kraken]

Highest id rate an update for this game is the bleach update

imo that was an 8/10 update

[sly lichen]

why r ppl shocked people dont like the update if its just the winter event

that was in the game for like 7 months

[humble kraken]

I wonder how people would grade ALS updates

[sly lichen]

atleast they get updates

[wet sapphire]

9/100000

[sly lichen]

😭

[wet sapphire]

next update will have godly frieren
av is not beating that

[sly lichen]

atp i think they just purposefully ignore any good suggestions

[sly lichen]

wait actually

ugh i love frieren

[wet sapphire]

yea

[sly lichen]

i wish i played als

ugh i love frieren

[humble kraken]

hoping ALS actually gives out good updates since they’re taking two weeks on updates now

weekly ain’t it

[sly lichen]

if only av did that 🥺

[wet sapphire]

mr the boss have to take care of 2 games
mf is collecting games

[sly lichen]

av takes 3 weeks for basically the same amount of content 🥹

[wet sapphire]

with 300 game breaking bugs

[sly lichen]

and 20 hour maintenances

[wet sapphire]

they still didn't fix pvp coin bug

[sly lichen]

good riddance

pvp maps

wow

people really care

i called pvp would be ass n people said i was crazy and stupid

[humble kraken]

Things can only get better for PVP I suppose

[sage pine]

idk about that bro

didnt they use to do bi weekly updates

[sage pine]

when are they fixing pvp bro

im gold i think and still getting 5 coins per win 💔

[wet sapphire]

people who had faith on pvp rn: 🪦

did the shop even got restocked

[sly lichen]

nope

[sage pine]

no

[sly lichen]

dont think they fixed that

[humble kraken]

They used to, however it was still ass

[wet sapphire]

whole upd based on pvp and they forgot about it instantly 🥀

[sly lichen]

av when they include that they can do 2 week updates in the stage knowing they won’t do it

[humble kraken]

funny thing is, they have proven they can do biweekly updates

[marble sand]

ALS adding 2B bro

AV gotta lock in

😭

[sly lichen]

when

[wet sapphire]

2b

?

[marble sand]

yea

[humble kraken]

During 1.5, 1.75, and 2.0

[marble sand]

2b

[sly lichen]

they were all 3 weeks no?

[wet sapphire]

oh the girl of nier

[humble kraken]

They all came out within 2 weeks

[marble sand]

lock in av

[humble kraken]

0.5 + 3.5 also came out in 2 weeks

[humble kraken]

Did the modeler finally learn how to make folds on clothing?

[wet sapphire]

aot is their chance to proof they can cook

[sly lichen]

i think its because there wasnt that much content

in .75 atleast

ok maybe they just got lazy

[marble sand]

probably not

[humble kraken]

AV can only prove themselves they’re capable moving forward

[wet sapphire]

we only hope the map doesn't end like last jjk map

[sly lichen]

i think thats just it

[marble sand]

they REALLY need to cook with AOT

considering AOT already is boring in pratice

[humble kraken]

I’m more than glad to drop this game once Borderlands 4 comes out

[marble sand]

i trust they kept there words, and the units ARE unique

but if they arent

ouuu, this might be another flop on the .0 updates

[wet sapphire]

sleeping on erwin meta summoner and support 🗣️

[sly lichen]

updates gonna take 4 weeks

dont bother

[marble sand]

imo

[sly lichen]

i can sense the disturbance

[marble sand]

i think the game kinda like

tries way to hard

[humble kraken]

If they aren’t releasing a new gamemode I have higher hopes on it being good

[sly lichen]

they try too hard to be unique

then fail and blame it on the bugs

[wet sapphire]

cid raid

[sly lichen]

and then give out a biased review of the updt

[wet sapphire]

cid raid is the proof that unique is not always good

[humble kraken]

Like people were forgiving about the bugs when 4.0 dropped because it was a solid update

[sly lichen]

dude

the past 3 updates

have been proof

odyssey failed

pvp failed

cid raid ass

[wet sapphire]

cid raid is a whole new level of ass

[sly lichen]

yeah cuz they wont remvoe the handcuffs

cuz theyre dumbasses

[humble kraken]

Cid raid was somehow the best raid map they made

[wet sapphire]

dandandan level of Bad update

[marble sand]

valk add that persona update

we know u want to 🤞

[slow torrent]

fr bro, this is how the stage rated the gg update, like come on

[sly lichen]

and then this update just fucking is terrible

[wet sapphire]

persona 2 update

🙏🏼

[sly lichen]

now we have another 4 months of just the same grind

[slow torrent]

nah I love this update, got 2 insane shiny

[marble sand]

delulu

[sly lichen]

they went from unique but ass to unoriginal and ass

they really thought giving us a copy of the same update when people were already grinding it for the past 6 months

would help the game

[marble sand]

we need a persona update like this

🤞 🤞 🤞 🤞

17.99 septrillion dmg dealt

👅

[wet sapphire]

gilgamesh victim

[humble kraken]

okay now you’re just being disingenuous

[sacred vault]

no

[river trellis]

LOL

[river trellis]

I mean, it kinda did. It gave people something to actually grind for and bring the ccu up for a little while. The ccu isn't that important, but winter very clearly worked. So remaking it to buy a little bit of time works.

[marble sand]

thats it

you aint getting joker

[sacred vault]

I alr got him

MAx dupe

😎

[marble sand]

ive spent 10hrs rerolling him during the early mornings, like 3am

i only have him A3

[sacred vault]

I just whaled

💀

Well actually only whaled for like initial copy

and 2 dupes

rest is from me grinding the game

[marble sand]

the game is crazy F2P so im saving money for when makoto is on banner

[sacred vault]

Yuh

[marble sand]

thats like a year wait

[sacred vault]

I've almost 100%'d the game

then I can chill on it

[marble sand]

nice

[visual plank]

Horrible take 😭

AV by just an overall game design viewpoint is much better

[nimble trail]

No, we're not going to get into this
only thing better in av is game quality

[visual plank]

ALS has tons of content I’ll give it that, but most of their “QOL” is just ripped from other games

Zero creativity

[nimble trail]

als is less polished, thats all

[sly lichen]

a little while

[visual plank]

Just not true, units have better design, better balancing between updates, less meta spikes

[nimble trail]

Av has very little creativity either, remember that a feature that was ripped out of aa literally saved the game back in 3.0?

[visual plank]

Gamemodes are also higher quality and somewhat innovative

ALS releases the same content with different units every single update

[sly lichen]

45k people after a week bro

it didnt hell

[visual plank]

“Very little creativity” they have literally created/popularized unit passives, one of the main things ATD games now use 😭

ALS straight up RIPS passives from AV

[visual plank]

Not wrong

[nimble trail]

alright, well we're not getting into this, its clear neither side will reach an agreement or accept either perspective into our mindsets, so that makes arguing pointless

[visual plank]

Before the upd they had like 20-30k didnt they?

[sly lichen]

im p sure it was 40k

[visual plank]

This upd literally got AV to higher numbers than ALS, albeit it was on update

[sly lichen]

it was 20-30k

[visual plank]

Alright

[sly lichen]

that was after 2 weeks tho

2-3 ion remember

[sacred vault]

I'm just glad we popularized DMC for ATDS

now if only they could actually copy the cool ones

and not the nasty anime DT forms

[river trellis]

The game is still doing better purely off ccu now than 6.0 ever did after like, the first day of the update or so

[visual plank]

😭

[abstract carbon]

we all know sbr upd better than this 🔥

[humble kraken]

1/10 ragebait

[vapid eagle]

Cant wait to See actual good suggestions being posted in #1315875683603447969 . #1255566253683380348 and #1315875683603447969 are just like night and day. One is absolutly horse shit 99 percent of the time and the other is absolute cinema

[abstract carbon]

I was obviously sarcastic

[dim whale]

Then the scale is worthless, as i said.

If nothing could ever be rated an 8 even, then there is no point to that scale.

[sly lichen]

shut ur nerdy ass up

i said its a 5/10 imo lol

[stone oar]

Next portal event will need more features ngl, the grind only got worse from winter to spring with no great additions

Actually no additions at all

[sly lichen]

its just a worse grind somehow

[dreamy pawn]

Yes

[alpine raft]

oh theres 2 suggestions like this

[nimble trail]

Bump