Ideas For New Trait

[sacred wraith]

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[clear plover]

Yall can't accept new traits...
But game will add new traits in the future...

[copper eagle]

How do you know that

[tropic glade]

only reason i dislike it is because itll have no use

only good for early game players

[clear plover]

+100% ce is not good aight
Monarch spoiled yall

[tropic glade]

eth and deadeye will always be better so ppl would stick with those

[clear plover]

ce > dps

[tropic glade]

eth and deadeye would be so much more versatile

[clear plover]

Do you know what is ce

...

[tropic glade]

cost efficiency

but its not even worth it atp

ur losing out on so much

[clear plover]

ce is much more important anyways

[tropic glade]

not when it wont be useful

[clear plover]

because it cant be as good as monarch

[tropic glade]

the gamemodes that youll struggle with will be longer gamemodes where eth will be better

and other gamemodes dont require that much ce

its just not a good concept for a trait

[clear plover]

This trait is made for short 15-20 waves and difficult stages

[tropic glade]

eth worked perfectly fine rn

[clear plover]

No way

You crazy

[tropic glade]

no ur js bad

eth works perfectly fine

[clear plover]

I had eth goku still struggle in leg stagd

Lmao

[tropic glade]

this wouldnt be good for rifts or portals

[tropic glade]

which

[clear plover]

Act 3

[tropic glade]

"act 3" so useful

which act 3 smartass

[clear plover]

Lmao what you expectin
Im losing in sand village act 3?

[tropic glade]

with how ur actin yes

[clear plover]

Ofc new leg bro

[tropic glade]

eth goku is busted

[clear plover]

You dont have monarch?

[tropic glade]

new leg stage eth buu and some support is enough to solo

[tropic glade]

i have monarchs

[clear plover]

Bro dont have fs

Glazing eth

[tropic glade]

wrd?

hollup

ion have much but the ones i have r goated

[clear plover]

I don't get it
If yall dont like new traits
Then why would this "trait" system existed

Ofc itll have some extension soon

[tropic glade]

because this traits so unversatile, it has a single use and thats it

[clear plover]

So thats why opinions/ideas exists

So thats why suggestions exists

[tropic glade]

its not even an opinion, its js unversatiled

unversatile

[clear plover]

Being nonsense

[tropic glade]

how?

eth and deadeye work perfectly fine if u cant monarch

[clear plover]

Im clearly sharing my ideas/opinions

Not saying that this trait doesn't need to be 100% added to the game

Itll just work better on top of just eth and deadeye

[tropic glade]

i think 175% makes more sense

[clear plover]

That is almost as good as monarch

[tropic glade]

100 just isnt rewarding enough for 1 placement

[tropic glade]

monarch is 125% better

u lose out on dmg for this but its not so much dmg that it isnt worth the ce

100% loses out on so much dmg it isnt worth the ce

[clear plover]

It losts 100% dps (for 3 placements) and +100% ce

[tropic glade]

175 brings the trait actual use

[tropic glade]

but majority of the time the gamemodes that r to hard to do r long

like dungeons

cid raids

this trait js feels to limited imo

like its limited to only being useful for story

[polar jay]

you could use the trait for like early game then use your better unit late game

[clear plover]

Thats what i wanted the trait to be

A worse monarch that carries your early game

[tropic glade]

this is the only use i see for the trait

i js dont think its useful enough to be added

if it was addewd on release itll be good

but its not useful enough to be added later on

[clear plover]

How about new players

[tropic glade]

a good amount of the banner units can solo majority of the story

plus the new vegita quest carries the first few stages

[clear plover]

Then
+100% dmg
-5% spa
-20% placement/upgrade cost

[tropic glade]

-30%

and i think its fair

[clear plover]

20~30

40 is too much

Basically halves your unit cost

[tropic glade]

thats y i lowered it

but it cant be +100 percent dmg

cuz u keep all placements

so -30% cost
-5% spa
+20% dmg

[clear plover]

No its still 1 placement

[tropic glade]

ah

alre

ye that seems fair

[clear plover]

That is just worst eth with price reduction

[tropic glade]

eth is 40% dps increase this is 25%

[tropic glade]

but ye this seems fair, the ce makes up for the dps loss

[polar jay]

how about instead making it just a worse monarch why not make it like 2 placement +75% dmg -5% spa

[tropic glade]

cuz of kaguya

and gogeta

[polar jay]

why would want this trait when you could aim for monarch

[next haven]

So to combat monarch, we add a trait that just.... Makes your unit worse

Like I'd rather just run blitz and keep my placements than have just one placement with some more damage

[clear plover]

Because this game is becoming more trait-relevant.

No

Monarch-relevant

[next haven]

No?

[clear plover]

...

[next haven]

The EX stage was the only thing that was ever balanced around having traits

[clear plover]

I played since release
I was good with blitz
And now im losing with eth

[clear plover]

Not talking abt ex

Raid/dungeons

Leg stage

[next haven]

EX is literally the only thing

Everything else has been tested/balanced traitless or with blitz at the most

[clear plover]

Well, maybe i have skill issues
But monarch is still dominating the game anyways
Any other traits cant compared to it

Like the ce is insane

[next haven]

Well yeah, that's what happens when you get to shortcut one of the main mechanics of the game

And why it's terribly designed

Not much we can do about the old design choices like that at this point though

It's always going to dominate traited content

[polar jay]

is there possibility for new trait in the future?

[tropic glade]

Gogeta? Kaguya? They couldnt even make it on my team with eth

[clear plover]

this game is filled with alot of old bad designs from aa

[next haven]

Likely not

[next haven]

Gogeta definitely not. Kaguya definitely could though, she's got insane support capabilities from placement

[polar jay]

sad

[tropic glade]

Kaguya seems like it would make it on a mid game team with eth but no late late game player

[next haven]

I still disagree

Giving gogeta/cid a 90% damage buff every other dimension?

[tropic glade]

Wait it can do 90%?

I was only aware of like 30

[next haven]

sand > ice > sand

[tropic glade]

Alr ill test that out

[next haven]

buffs blast by 45% and buffs globally by 45%

[tropic glade]

Is there a way to excluse fire from auto dim?

[tropic glade]

Ahhhhh alr

[next haven]

No

If you want the cracked tech

you gotta manually do it

[tropic glade]

Aight ty

U js changed my opinion on kaguya completely

[next haven]

LOL

yeah she is very much a unit you dont HAVE to roll monarch on

obviously its her best trait but

unlike gogeta, she's usable without it

[jovial mango]

Why all the traits ideas is just make another monarch 😭

[limpid hare]

idk which one is worse
it one or the suggestion with duplication trait that nerfed your units by 50% for 1 extra placement

also deadeye would solo it like bro

[jovial mango]

That would be worse for all units except, chae?

[wide stag]

Another day

Another brain rot suggestion

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-silvers-old-man-tears-gif-19898148

[clear plover]

It shows that how dominant is monarch rn, and how a replacement for it is needed

[jovial mango]

Idk if fighting fire with fire is a good idea

Like, i get, monarch is really overused for everything

[polar jay]

we don’t need a replacement

[jovial mango]

But u cant win in a trait system

[clear plover]

Not replacement
But maybe a worse alternative

[clear plover]

Like the only downside of this game is traits
I dont like how traits work
Especially monarch being dominant.

I know devs are only keeping monarch for money and clickbaits on ytb

Just like what aa did

Its all about money i guess

[polar jay]

and your first idea to combat that is to make a worse monarch

[next haven]

There's not much we can do about what the old devs did

The hole is dug, trying to get out of it now would just cause SO much backlash

[clear plover]

🙏

[plush cedar]

holy

i was not aware of this 🙏

[jovial mango]

And now pair it with archer

Archer in the big june 💔

[north drum]

remove monarch reimburse rrs @ 20 per monarch

[solar quest]

no

[blissful tendon]

Isnt it 30 each

When you go from sand to ice or smth

Or the opposite

30 to everyone and 30 to blast allies

[finite light]

ngl i like this but knowing these av players

they nto gonan want this

some units do need that 30% cost redection

some of these need to be change like the % and the amount of dmg

[clear plover]

Its normal.

[finite light]

the main thing that should catch your eyes when u run that trait is the 30% reduced and i dont think it should be limited to one placment thats stupid

[clear plover]

It was made for early game units

[finite light]

its not ur tryna make something replace monarch but thats not how it should be
other traits should make u think and this is a rlly good trait to have on sum units

[finite light]

yea no

thats stupid gang

no wonder u got this much reactions

the idea is good but the way ur saying it is so wrong

[clear plover]

for dps units they can get monarch
And for early defenses units this trait is good

[finite light]

stop saying early defense regardless wwhat trait u have on a unit it will still kill the enemies til wave 5

[clear plover]

Because this trait is meant to be
-cheap
-cost efficient
-carries you for early waves (1-10)

[finite light]

the frist 2 makes sense the last one dont

[clear plover]

How is the last one dont?

Monarch can literally get you to like wave 7-8 without upgrading

[finite light]

rmb i told u it should be 100% dmg?
it should be atleast 65/75 the main great thing abt that trait is the cost

30% less cost

that rlly good

ur mainly thinking abt early defense when that doesnt rlly matter when u get 3k wave 2 for sum modes

ur tryna replace monarch

thats why u have this much reactions

and that % is fucking insane

[clear plover]

Thats why av has been going p2w

As a player played since release

There's like 5 more bundles

[finite light]

u cant never change p2w unless ur als

and thatgame is slop

[clear plover]

All priced atleast 1k

[paper bobcat]

"new traits", ye pack it in bro

[clear plover]

They added the pity and actin like we can reach it

[finite light]

so are u complaining that ur unable to get those monarchs and other can through money?

[paper bobcat]

what made you think

we need more traits

[finite light]

...

[fallen helm]

nobody is forcing you to buy them

[clear plover]

We made you think
Trait is a good thing at first

[fallen helm]

its your choice to buy these bundles or not

[paper bobcat]

also monarch isnt even dominating the game

[fallen helm]

[paper bobcat]

hell deadeye is fucking busted atm

[clear plover]

Aa 19k bundle
Yeah no one force you to buy

[paper bobcat]

they made crit so good now

[fallen helm]

dude why bring aa into this topic that games good as dead

[mossy fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[clear plover]

back when how yall reach to aa's bundles
This is not yalls reaction

[paper bobcat]

you can legit argue that 90% of units benefit more from deadeye

then monarch

[clear plover]

Because its the same like aa
I played alot of av and aa
And i godam know

[paper bobcat]

the only 2 monarch reliant units int he game are kaguya and gogeta

[fallen helm]

there was literally a gif made to make fun of how ridiculous aa's bundles were

[clear plover]

Wait a sec

[paper bobcat]

i can agree on we probably need a bit more ways to farm rrs, something i could agree on
but new traits, we dont need new traits at all

😭

[clear plover]

"then just dont buy it"
I on get it really.
Sorry if im just being dumb or smth
Why aa is p2w and av is not for yall

[paper bobcat]

also, whats the point of adding sovereign trait

[paper bobcat]

AV isnt p2w because AV doesnt need Unique to play the game

AA was way more relaint on traits

then AV ever is rn

[fallen helm]

you dont need monarch to do all content

[clear plover]

Clearly starting to be monarch relevant

[mossy fulcrum]

it is rn

[clear plover]

As a player played since released

[fallen helm]

maybe only a few

[paper bobcat]

its starting to creep yes, but it is not how bad how AA was

[mossy fulcrum]

correct rn

[paper bobcat]

AA was literal hell

[fallen helm]

depends on which unit you decide to invest in

[paper bobcat]

the portal choices + scaling imo was dumb

from av*

[clear plover]

Av is starting to become aa
If yall just take ANY shit that devs does

[paper bobcat]

i hate these devs, but we dont need a new trait at all

[mossy fulcrum]

still better than your trait idea

[clear plover]

There's a reason why there's so much traits idea like this

[mossy fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[clear plover]

Game being p2w obviously

[fallen helm]

this does not justify the need of a new trait because the powercreep is slowly seeping in

[mossy fulcrum]

and you are making more p2w

[fallen helm]

powercreep is inevitable for anime tower defense games

[clear plover]

The rates are higher, better chance for mythic traits

[fallen helm]

i dont think 0.3 is relatively high

[paper bobcat]

0.3% isnt high

considering there would be no pity on it

i mean, its closer to deadeye

but deadeye is like way better then this trait tbh

this trait has no use at all

a worse verison of monarch, that is worse then an already existing trait

[clear plover]

Lemme calculate
0.5 + 0.375 + 0.125 + 0.1
And additional 0.3
So mythic traits rate went from 1.1 to 1.4

[fallen helm]

are we serious

[paper bobcat]

and this trait becomes a dounce, because it wont be viable at all

[mossy fulcrum]

deadeye could give you close to 100% dmg rn this suggestion is non sense

[paper bobcat]

while keeping your GDPS high

😭

this trait is so shit

[mossy fulcrum]

all they need rn is rework ethereal like make it increase DOT dmg or something like that

[clear plover]

Thats why i hate these sh
Traits being dominant while other really have NO use

[mossy fulcrum]

very unfair for ethereal

[paper bobcat]

ye eth needs a rework

deadass dont know a single unit who wants eth nowadays

[fallen helm]

id rather you just not make this trait considering how its not viable

[paper bobcat]

deadeye is just superior

[clear plover]

theres no way you can rework eth

[paper bobcat]

the dude literally said increase DOT dmg

that is fair

😭

[clear plover]

That does not make it good as a 0.125% trait at all

[paper bobcat]

make eth DOT based, then just let deadeye go crazy in dmg

[clear plover]

I will just feel robbed

[paper bobcat]

increase DOT is crazy?

so many units benefit off that

[clear plover]

What about on units without dot?

[paper bobcat]

and DOT dmg will always be superior to a raw dpser

[mossy fulcrum]

ethereal can pretend one time like emilia tho its fine

[paper bobcat]

you can say the same of getting monarch on certain units

[mossy fulcrum]

since deadeye is hella broken rn

[paper bobcat]

you thug it out

[clear plover]

But monarch overall still benefits more

[paper bobcat]

emilia increases her range on each crit tho

[clear plover]

The ce increase

[paper bobcat]

unless her range buff is worse

then eth

[clear plover]

And if eth is dot based
You will just cry on getting it on units without dot

[paper bobcat]

like i said

you can say the same for certain units

you just thug it out

"what if i get monarch on rimuru"

"what if i get monarch on ragna"

[mossy fulcrum]

we havent got a single fire meta anyways lmao

[clear plover]

Yeah they still benefits more
Than getting a dot trait on a non dot unit

[paper bobcat]

rimuru does NOT benefit from monarch

both those units beenfit nothing from monarch

they are straight ass with it

[clear plover]

Bro monarch is literally good on every unit
Yall just keep looking at the passives

[fallen helm]

?

[paper bobcat]

are you ragebaiting

or you geuinuely thick in the head

[clear plover]

The ce increase

[fallen helm]

how is monarch good on every unit when some of them requires multiple placements to be good

[paper bobcat]

oh my god you are dumb

[fallen helm]

cost efficiency means NOTHING if the passive of that characters needs YOU to place multiple of them

[clear plover]

Omg

[paper bobcat]

monarch is good on everyone, lemme roll monarch ragna rq

lemme roll monarch giselle

[mossy fulcrum]

ragna, baiken rimuru, yuuruichi, luce, dizzy, emilia,...

[fallen helm]

and the damage you get from using their passives is ALWAYS greater than what cost efficiency can give you

[mossy fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[clear plover]

Yknow monarch destroys everything <30 waves

[paper bobcat]

ok lowkey monarch yoruichi is cracked tho

🔥

[fallen helm]

monarch lucy is such a wild pick

even tho all shes does is nullify

[clear plover]

If it deals decent dps
Then monarch will always be the top 2 trait

[fallen helm]

thats not how it works

[blissful tendon]

Its supposed to do that. Many decisions have changed alongside the previous dev team, but monarch staying the top trait isnt gonna change

[clear plover]

Yes because of the huge dmg increase

[mental vapor]

for mvp its either u got monarch or nothing

[paper bobcat]

deadeye aizen

[blissful tendon]

❌

[mental vapor]

monarch aizen is more cost effective

[fallen helm]

the tradeoff is just as bad as not reading passives

[clear plover]

Thats why this game going downhill yknow
Keeping wrong decisions made back from the start

[mossy fulcrum]

deadeye aizen deadeye elphelt love to see this

[paper bobcat]

ive seen alot of ppl saying deadeye aizen for mvp is better then monarch

i dont usually run w other ppl so

so prob my fault if its wrong

[mental vapor]

monarch aizen + monarch elfelt are more likely to get mvp

lmao

[clear plover]

For ragna
Itll be
Top1 eth
And top2 monarch/deadeye

[blissful tendon]

Traits arent why the game is going downhill lmao, a new stronger trait getting added isnt helping 💀

[mental vapor]

they cost 3x less

x3 dps cuz of being cheaper x3 in rift

[clear plover]

Im not talking abt new traits rh

[paper bobcat]

monarch is his worst trait

[fallen helm]

if you even consider using monarch on ragna then you've just lost your mind

[blissful tendon]

People use lfelt to mvp farm?

[clear plover]

???
Yall really think monarch ragna is unusable?

[paper bobcat]

yes

yes i do.

[mental vapor]

monarch are cost effective

[clear plover]

In order to reach his fully dmg potential it needs ALOT of waves

[mental vapor]

if a noob has monarch lfelt he would

[fallen helm]

why use monarch ragna when there are characters who just perform better

[blissful tendon]

I think ragna himself is unusable at this point lol, monarch only decreases his dps

[paper bobcat]

no he doesnt

[mental vapor]

whats his dps with monarch and max upgrade

[paper bobcat]

ragna is just niche atm,
but we stay on the ragna agenda

everytime a new buffer comes out

he will rise

just gotta wait for that one stupidly busted buffer to come

[mental vapor]

astolfo + haruka rin + subaru + hercules with foo familiars should give 100% and crit chance many times

[clear plover]

Imma say this rh
You can just place one monarch unit then its enough defenses.
While for other traits you clearly need to strategize more.
(for legs and stories)

[paper bobcat]

AV starts doing 100% Buffs like AA

ITS OVER.

[mental vapor]

instead

[fallen helm]

you literally just explained why this suggested trait is useless when you can just keep going and get monarch eventually

[mental vapor]

buff fortune trait

[blissful tendon]

Thats intentional?

[clear plover]

I literally just said monarch is too hard

[mental vapor]

to make it more cost effective

[paper bobcat]

no shit

thats how the trait works

[clear plover]

Then thats messed up yo

[paper bobcat]

tf u want monarch to do

😭

[fallen helm]

0.1 with pity and a 0.3 with no pity

[blissful tendon]

Only thing monarch does in this game is make life more convenient

[clear plover]

Then thats considered p2w

[mental vapor]

we need a mythical reducing cost of effect

[clear plover]

Maybe its actually p2w

[mental vapor]

like fortune

[fallen helm]

theres not much of a difference with one being slightly easier to obtain but perform worse

[blissful tendon]

[clear plover]

Yeah average av players

[blissful tendon]

Did you just realize this

[clear plover]

Im speechless

[paper bobcat]

A TDS Gacha... is.

p2w?

no..

impossible.

[clear plover]

Gacha = p2w anyways

[paper bobcat]

nno.

that...

that cant be true.

[blissful tendon]

This cannot be....

[paper bobcat]

gachas...

[blissful tendon]

Its over...

[clear plover]

If its about paying for rngs
P2w

[paper bobcat]

are..

p2w???

no....

[blissful tendon]

This is the end of the world..

[paper bobcat]

paying for rng is...

p2w?

no...

[fallen helm]

le game with rates below 1%.... is not free to play friendly...

no way

[mental vapor]

wouldnt it be better to have a cost effective trait tho hes right that we cant max units in many stages and without monarch we are cooked

[paper bobcat]

Real life is...

p2w....

no...

it cant be...

its roblox... nothing can be p2w.

[clear plover]

Paying for rngs
Makes you have better chance for monarch
Which makes you BETTER ADVANTAGE at getting monarch

[paper bobcat]

[blissful tendon]

We know we are cooked, the devs do too. Thats intentional gang

[paper bobcat]

NO.

[fallen helm]

technically there is a way to be f2p irl (its called stealing)

[paper bobcat]

your wrong....

[paper bobcat]

ye but then the devs arrest you

[clear plover]

Normal av players reaction to av being p2w when it clearly is

[paper bobcat]

and youg et banned from the earth server

[mossy fulcrum]

just play traitless contents gang whats the problem

[fallen helm]

we get free food and free living space called prison

[paper bobcat]

so techinally

the f2p in real life is actaully.

[mental vapor]

money 😭

[paper bobcat]

exploiting

[clear plover]

Every td is p2w at this moment

[paper bobcat]

[fallen helm]

and you get a free workout in prison

[clear plover]

Following aa's foot step

[blissful tendon]

Everyone knows this game is p2w we're appalled it took you this long to figure this shit out

[paper bobcat]

not my glorious game AWTD

🤣 🤞

AWTD GLAZEEE IS REALL

[clear plover]

Ok mb

[mental vapor]

honestly

[fallen helm]

✌️ wrap it up bru

[clear plover]

But every td that has traits
Fs p2w

[mental vapor]

they shouldve restocked rift shop

why didnt they restock it

[blissful tendon]

It took you 8 months to realize that av is p2w?

[mental vapor]

after fixing the bug

[paper bobcat]

just saying this wouldnt have been a discussion

if type soul released

because we would ALL be on type soul

🤞

[mental vapor]

50 damn trait rr

[clear plover]

Yes

🙏

[blissful tendon]

Jeez

[fallen helm]

did they even fix it

[blissful tendon]

Everyone knew since day 1

[clear plover]

I was glazing av too much

[mental vapor]

yes but they didnt restock rift shop

[clear plover]

But then i was wrong

[blissful tendon]

Traits make life way easier, thats intentional. Devs like money

[fallen helm]

2 more days and you'll know

[blissful tendon]

Only saving grace is that traits arent required for most content

[mental vapor]

im getting yuhababa at 4 pm today , its almost 1 pm rn

[clear plover]

No difference
If there's traits then why not using them

[paper bobcat]

lets switch that and then bring back pre nerf challenges

[blissful tendon]

Not happening

[mental vapor]

for rerolls do tournaments traitless , do infinite leaderboard

[paper bobcat]

they gonna add the new rotittes blessing before then

sigh...

[clear plover]

Youll feel unfair after spending almost 1.4k rrs and not getting a monarch

[paper bobcat]

we love av devs

[clear plover]

Which is me

[fallen helm]

now lets make it so every gamemodes require you to have 2 monarchs as minimum requirement

[modest creek]

it’s a gacha game monarch is hard to get cuz that’s how gacha games work lol, and let’s be real if they were to ever add a new trait a suggestion wouldn’t be why so it’s useless to waste ur time on this topic

[blissful tendon]

Units like rimuru becoming more prevelant is a better fix ig

[mental vapor]

leaderboard inf , you just need deadeye units

[mental vapor]

hes good in tournament rn

[paper bobcat]

rimuru lowkey just comp in general tbh

[blissful tendon]

Nobody likes inf lb even if that is true.

[blissful tendon]

Hes ight for the less lucky

[clear plover]

I just want to complain that how the entire "trait" thing is so rng based and p2w (kinda)

And some people got really mad.

[paper bobcat]

hes a avg unit that does the job tbh, even me as p2w dont mind using him

hes pretty fun to use

[blissful tendon]

Plus cid technically wants eth in inf

[clear plover]

Just a system 1:1 ripped from aa

[clear plover]

Which is bad at all

[mental vapor]

top 1-12

[clear plover]

How am i gonna reach lb without good traits

[blissful tendon]

I cant see myself using him over any of my monarchs

[clear plover]

Tourney doesn't give this much

[mental vapor]

for each stages btw

[mental vapor]

u dont need monarches

deadeyes/ethereals

cid and vsjw

[clear plover]

I cant even get deadeye
I keep getting eth

[mental vapor]

and good players with u

[clear plover]

Eth sucks

[mental vapor]

just stall a lot

[clear plover]

I did...

[mental vapor]

u need a good team bro not good units

lb is better with more ppl imo

[blissful tendon]

Yeah its not a solo mode lol

I need to test lag at 200+ this season

Was nigh unplayable last lb

[mental vapor]

u need repulse , freeze , slow , stun , nukes

[paper bobcat]

i mean im the same, wl lbs and just harder content like rifts im not gonna use him

but for just easy content, i dont mind using him

hes pretty cool to use

[mental vapor]

stall like crazy and then nuke when losing

[clear plover]

I once did lb with my friends
Full team eths
But somehow it doesn't work as good as monarch cuz of nuke dmg scaling on base dmg

So monarch nuke way better than eth nuke

[modest creek]

that’s how gacha games work 😭 ofc it’s rng based, but it also has a pity which is wild for and ATD, monarch should feel rare and special and if it feels p2w don’t forget those people work hard for the money they spend so not much to complain on there

[paper bobcat]

tbf, they choose to spend it on the game

[mental vapor]

cid ethereal black spirit is better cuz u can rotate

[clear plover]

Td games should not be rng based

[paper bobcat]

i dont really think they should feel special

[blissful tendon]

Cid swap counters are individual

[paper bobcat]

ngl

[clear plover]

At all

[mental vapor]

vsjw deadeye with alucard does pretty good dmg to shadows

[blissful tendon]

You can bring 1 mon rest eth too sometimes but yea

[clear plover]

For some global cd nukes, eth is worse

[modest creek]

their money those choices doesn’t take away they worked for their money

[blissful tendon]

Alucard was unusable last season lets see how it is this time lol

[modest creek]

sorry to tell u but that’s how it is, u probably shouldn’t keep playing if that’s how u feel

[mental vapor]

also is it me or edge of heaven enemies are immune to cc lmao is nullify needed

[clear plover]

I realized this when a lvl 30 is better than me (lvl 100) which he has almost full team of monarch

[blissful tendon]

Dont really know havent tested that map yet

[paper bobcat]

honestly i do agree with this
feel like having to grind for traits , not like als when i can go into inf and get 500 rr in 3hrs, would be preferred

[clear plover]

Unfair treatment

[paper bobcat]

but at the end of the day

[mental vapor]

they legit dont get stunned or slowed by katakuri so they def are immune to cc

[paper bobcat]

av follows the same forumla as every other popular tds game

you cant really do anything bout it

[mental vapor]

i reached wave 120 while carrying a noob

i shouldve soloed

[blissful tendon]

Whatever pays the bills ig

[modest creek]

nope it’s not a treatment thing it’s rng you’re just unlucky and that can’t be helped

[paper bobcat]

ye ig, even tho they probably make more off premium payouts

[blissful tendon]

Even als added pearls tbh, theyre not gonna let free money go

[clear plover]

The "formula" is bad
Aa (p2w alert) made it

[blissful tendon]

Theres a reason brandon forces weekly updates despite everyone wanting biweekly

[paper bobcat]

pre nerf challenges was just pretty good to the F2P, too bad we aint getting that shit bacj

[paper bobcat]

he swapped to bi weekly now

[blissful tendon]

🤑

[paper bobcat]

i mean

it did take buying arx

[blissful tendon]

When is the swap actually happening tho

[paper bobcat]

and anime saga

[paper bobcat]

iirc on his podcast i think its after his ARX update

could be wrong

[blissful tendon]

Hm

[paper bobcat]

idk if he said that, just what ive heard

[clear plover]

Buying 2 hit games (was once) back 2 back is crazy

[paper bobcat]

honestly, as some point in time av is gonna add some sort of ways to consistently get rrs

its gonna happen as the meta game progresses

[blissful tendon]

Probs

[paper bobcat]

the game is already moving fast pace imo

[blissful tendon]

We'll be back to 700 weekly if you do everything at some point more likely than not

[modest creek]

i played AA for 3 years and they had the worse trait system i ever played now that i’ve played other ATDs, atleast av has 2x challenge, weekly shops, no shards, trait pity, 5 rr when u unshiny, the tournys give so much, event shops give so much, and world lines give u 50 every reset, like come on aa basically didn’t have a grind at all when it came for RR but atleast av does and it’s manageable especially when there a trait pity for every trait😭

[blissful tendon]

Hopefully they fix rifts soon

[paper bobcat]

i mean ye, the dmg aint increasing, but with what these units are doing

we are reaching those crazy ass points

[blissful tendon]

Hm?

[paper bobcat]

talking in terms of how passives are currently operating, specifclly targetting this towards kaguya with how much shit she has going on

[clear plover]

There is already some decent ways to get rr
But when you spend that 8h grinding for 50rr
And someone just straight up bought 100rr
😭

[paper bobcat]

not saying its a bad thing

but just shows how the game is aheading

[blissful tendon]

Ima be real

[clear plover]

It feels like im wasting time

[blissful tendon]

People think that new units are always way stronger than theg are

Kaguya's strong because of the buffs yeah

But shes legit worse than past vanguards in several aspects

If av has anything going for it, its decent powercreep

[paper bobcat]

kaguya is getting overrated since ppl r showing her dmg in the portals

its like when ragna dropped

[blissful tendon]

Yeah people are pulling her dps calcs out their ass

[paper bobcat]

shes good but for me PERSONALLY

i dont think shes a must have

lowkey just tryna get the arcueid monarch

and be done w the upd

[blissful tendon]

I got mark monarch ima keep grinding for her tho

Meta buffer

🔥

[paper bobcat]

ye ima too

i might get mark w monarch

but im just focused on arceuid rn

[fallen helm]

tryna get her shiny but theres no cosmetic for her rn

[paper bobcat]

heard mark has some of the highest raw dps atm

[blissful tendon]

Its solid

[modest creek]

no she’s not💀 she has domains and a 1000% nuke off placement, she can be any element, she teleports and reaches 92k dps at full potential without any familiars and outside buffs from her own💀

[paper bobcat]

only con i have with mark is how they just made him another stock unit

personally

i would of preferred like raising atk or storing dmg

[blissful tendon]

I guess

I dont mind it

Since he thankfully can still be used with yhwach sokora if need be

[modest creek]

sorry to tell u but she’s this games best unit

[eager rain]

That could be me but this rng playing

[blissful tendon]

140k to max, the actual average dps is 68k in a circle and 5k mapwide

[modest creek]

welcome to gacha games

[blissful tendon]

The aoe is horrendous

[paper bobcat]

kaguya has a small circle tbh

[blissful tendon]

And elements are weird and you dont get buffed off her passive in tournegs

So yeah idk what youre on about

[modest creek]

ppl said this about sjw yet before kaguya they still considered him the best unit in the game 🤔

aoe isn’t everything and the circle is still big

[blissful tendon]

Sjwv's entire utility comes from summons

[modest creek]

she even does full map burn for 30% of her dmg and can repulse bosses back

[blissful tendon]

5k full map dps

[modest creek]

which are usually useless besides arise and bear

[paper bobcat]

wouldnt say tank or beru r useless

healer probably is ngl

[blissful tendon]

Yeah the infinitely scaling summons, the strongest early game defense and the best tool to kill bosses are pretty handy.

[modest creek]

i was on last seasons top 12 leaderboard and almost never had any use for those 2 and beru is only used RARELY in tournaments now

world line^

just putting in perspective

if it’s not even worth using at the games highest level then that says something

[blissful tendon]

It says its not the most optimal strat for wl, yeah. Bear spam is stronger.

[modest creek]

kaguya has this too besides the summons lol and buffs ur team while she’s at it and doing crowd control at the same time😭

[blissful tendon]

Yeah the once every 30 seconds crowd control