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#More dps scaling
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sharp acorn
Units should not be doing the same damage that they did in like update 2 without relying on passives to make them "better" when most usually arent
example:
gilgamesh does 31k every 7.2 seconds base with a nuke that makes him do 4x damage for one attack
rudeus does 38k every 9 seconds base with a nuke that makes him do 5x damage for one attack
for a 4.5 update difference they should really make damage scale more as this makes units seem worse than they actually are and may drive players who do not understand passives away from getting new units
additionally with stages getting progressively harder and units staying at the same power level it makes monarchs more required also driving new players away from the game
at this point units should really be doing like 75-100k base without passives being active
copper frost
ong power creep is good in moderation
they need more balance between units with a lot of utility that u need to pay attention to and some with just raw high dps
and maybe u should be rewarded for ones that u need to spend more time on like k felt
lfelt
sacred orbit
In general powercreep is inevitable in almost every game
sharp acorn
Gilga is cone dmg and Rudeus is full aoe dmg+support 😭
just an example
i could get another one
units been doing like 30k every 6 seconds since update 2
with rare exceptions purely based off passives
boreal scaffold
Why dont you compare gilgamesh with invincible instead
lone stream
what
sharp acorn
Why dont you compare gilgamesh with invincible instead
alr 1 sec ill add him
how do i add attachements once ive made a post
dont get how people are downvoting its legit one of the only downsides of the game that theres no straight dps units without bogus passives
lone stream
isn't rudeus like full aoe
why are we comparing a nuker with a semi buffer
sharp acorn
isn't rudeus like full aoe
why are we comparing a nuker with a semi buffer
rudeus is a nuke with a buff that is only on after the nuke is used
theyre both nukes
lone stream
rudeus is a nuke with a buff that is only on after the nuke is used
he doesn't have a nuke?
he only buffs his damage
boreal scaffold
You just deleted it all breh
autumn dirge
he doesn't have a nuke?
he only buffs his damage
it is a nuke
are you saying 1.3m every 10s isnt a nuke?
LOL
sharp acorn
he doesn't have a nuke?
he only buffs his damage
so does gilgamesh
lone stream
so does gilgamesh
are you dumb or what
sharp acorn
are you dumb or what
gilgamesh boosts his damage by 450%
rudeus boosts his by 500%
theres literally no difference
autumn dirge
@sharp acorn i dont understand this suggestion?
are you saying they should have less power creep or what
like dude
can u fix ur wording
lone stream
gilgamesh can kill enemies under 10% hp
that is a nuke
not judt a massive damage increase
sharp acorn
are you saying they should have less power creep or what
more in straight dps
autumn dirge
"more dps scaling" makes NO sense at all
lone stream
💀
autumn dirge
more in straight dps
then why didnt u just say
"more raw dps unit"
instead of confusing
sharp acorn
i had a whole thing but i accidentally deleted it
lone stream
🥀
autumn dirge
more in straight dps
sol has 400k dps
and that's straight dps?
mark grayson 800k?
sharp acorn
sol has 400k dps
no????
Units should not be doing the same damage that they did in like update 2 without relying on passives to make them "better" when most usually arent
example:
gilgamesh does 31k every 7.2 seconds base with a nuke that makes him do 4x damage for one attack
rudeus does 38k every 9 seconds base with a nuke that makes him do 5x damage for one attack
for a 4.5 update difference they should really make damage scale more as this makes units seem worse than they actually are and may drive players who do not understand passives away from getting new units
additionally with stages getting progressively harder and units staying at the same power level it makes monarchs more required also driving new players away from the game
at this point units should really be doing like 75-100k base without passives being active
autumn dirge
fym 400k dps
this is with old supports
sharp acorn
sharp acorn
this is with old supports
400k damage
autumn dirge
now he gets buffed again from kaguya + hibana
sharp acorn
and thats monarch
vocal sentinel
😭
autumn dirge
can you read
and give me time
okay so kaguya buffs fire including him
then you have judar buffing his dot by 50%
then you have hibana
and then you have new supports
astoflro
autumn dirge
read his passives
his boss passive stacks for each boss in his range
Rudeus with monarch also does 1.3m dmg
sharp acorn
you shouldnt need a whole team and monarch for one unit btw
autumn dirge
PER 10s
autumn dirge
you shouldnt need a whole team and monarch for one unit btw
now ur switching up the story
ripe sand
mark doing 110k dps
autumn dirge
lmao
sharp acorn
38.81k x 5 x 4 should not be 1.3m
ripe sand
41.8k every 5.4
monarch + passives
sharp acorn
monarch baiken
ripe sand
basic math
autumn dirge
like
ripe sand
use calc
lone stream
levels doesnt mean anything?
it means how much time you wasted in it game
op just want units to do big damage without the need of passives 🥀
autumn dirge
i just debunked this entire argument and you're still pulling up excuses about how u don't need an entire team of supports just to make this unit achieve its peak dps
like make up ur mind
autumn dirge
op just want units to do big damage without the need of passives 🥀
well that's not what his suggestion is
all he had to say was just said av should start adding more pure raw DPS
sharp acorn
op just want units to do big damage without the need of passives 🥀
powercreep should actually make units seem better without having to do 500 things to activate passives
YES gilgamesh has more base dps than rudeus
and i can give other examples too
ripe sand
diavolo
sharp acorn
1 ascensions kazzy traitless = 31.82k every 9 seconds + cleanse
0 ascensions ishtar traitless =25.95 every 7 seconds + nuke + buff
update 2 vs update 6 btw
ripe sand
support vs worse support for fate units
sharp acorn
support vs worse support for fate units
both banner mythics
there really should be a substantial difference in 4.5 updates
ripe sand
both banner mythics
and what does this change
sharp acorn
and what does this change
theyre from the same method
sharp acorn
so not like a banner vanguard and a raid unit being compared
faint bronze
static cypress
Units should not be doing the same damage that they did in like update 2 without...
Gilgamesh is a DPS while Rudius is a Sup/DPS hybrid which makes this comparison not the greatest
Also, Gilga has a nuke every 120s and Rudi after 10. You're just glossing over the details to make Gilgamesh and Rudi more comparable when they really aren't
sharp acorn
Gilgamesh is a DPS while Rudius is a Sup/DPS hybrid which makes this comparison ...
Ill change it to be 2 dps units but my point still applies that damage really should have increased past 20-30k
By update 6 we should be atleaat at like 70-80k base
hazy garnet
Hey if you like big number powercreep, there's this game called "Anime Last Stand" it's pretty good should go check it out!
runic plinth
No this guy has a point
If you ignore what makes a unit strong
They end up being pretty weak
How dare we not powercreep and make a unit useless within 2 updates
odd girder
fuck my baka life bro
obsidian sentinel
What am i even reading
odd girder
gilgameshes nuke is 1 in god damn 2 minutes
obsidian sentinel
People dont like their units staying meta for longer?
odd girder
you can basically spam rudeuse's nuke im pretty sure
oh that sounds wrong
rudeus's?
obsidian sentinel
obsidian sentinel
you can basically spam rudeuse's nuke im pretty sure
Kinda not really
You can spam it at like
26%?
Every attack
odd girder
im pretty sure you can do more than one nuke in 2 minutes
odd girder
well yeah but i consider the nuke to be 100% mana
hazy garnet
He regens 5% per attack
5% missing per attack* so it regens even slower than you think.
obsidian sentinel
5% missing per attack* so it regens even slower than you think.
Ah
odd girder
5% missing per attack* so it regens even slower than you think.
huh? missing?
obsidian sentinel
Well it should be fine if hes at 0
obsidian sentinel
huh? missing?
5% of how much meter he doest have
hazy garnet
Yuh just keep his mana low and he regens a lot every attack
odd girder
oh i completely misunderstood the character
obsidian sentinel
I think you can probably maintain 100% buff uptime with him
obsidian sentinel
Yuh just keep his mana low and he regens a lot every attack
Valk is intense burn supposed to work with hibana reapply or nah
odd girder
well, doesn't matter anyways, I'd still say that there is power creep
obsidian sentinel
Might be a dumb question but might as well make sure
odd girder
its not a huge one but it does happeb
hazy garnet
Valk is intense burn supposed to work with hibana reapply or nah
Hell nah
odd girder
its not a huge one but it does happeb
like rimuru fucking mogs anyone in terms of value
hazy garnet
It's specifically just burn bc of how turbo op what hibana does is
odd girder
90k yen for all 4 maxed out placements
kazi is a great support that can do like what, 50-60k damage without any traits?
kazzy
obsidian sentinel
Most traitless units he does yea
odd girder
or whatever her name is
that one link girl literally soloed the hardest stage in game
obsidian sentinel
I think units like rimuru are definitely good to get, although i guess it's just that people wouldve rather have him be the meta monarch unit of the upd
odd girder
i don't think Gilgamesh can do allat
obsidian sentinel
that one link girl literally soloed the hardest stage in game
Nerfed since
odd girder
Nerfed since
another time?
obsidian sentinel
No unit other than yhwach or vsjw can solo ex4
odd girder
in pretty sure this was after the nerf
obsidian sentinel
Nah
odd girder
or was ther another one
obsidian sentinel
There were more to her follow up passive
Shit was needed
This is just a dumbass suggestion, idk what the thought process is.
We do get very strong units, just not in terms of sheer display dps.
hazy garnet
We do get very strong units, just not in terms of sheer display dps.
Powercreep is slow but it does exist, and occasionally there will be large jumps.
But for the most part it is very slow
obsidian sentinel
Powercreep is slow but it does exist, and occasionally there will be large jumps...
Is yhwach one such jump
hazy garnet
Yhwach was an oopsie
runic plinth
yhwach is immortal
hazy garnet
Yhwach was a bug turned into a feature
obsidian sentinel
Ive heard
hazy garnet
So he's a bit ahead of the game
obsidian sentinel
Tbh yhwach and pre nerf lfelt are the only really big jumps in power i can think of
Most other units are mostly fine and dont powercreep allat much
(Not including vanguards)
Even then its mostly just vsjw imo.
hazy garnet
Even then its mostly just vsjw imo.
Oh you havent looked into how goofy Kaguya gets then with proper domain rotation
obsidian sentinel
Oh you havent looked into how goofy Kaguya gets then with proper domain rotation
I tried
hazy garnet
Just wait until people figure out just how strong of a support she is
obsidian sentinel
Oh i know her supporting capabilities are strong
60% blast or smth?
Just her own dps isnt super meta centralizing, thats all
Which is good imo.
obtuse sleet
for dps scaling, lets have just 1 tourney in av history, just 1 tourney where ragna is legal
i want to see my inflated numbers with a 500% buff ragna
hazy garnet
60% blast or smth?
It's even higher
obsidian sentinel
90?
lone stream
nerf rimuru
obsidian sentinel
Do i hear gogeta upscale
obtuse sleet
Do i hear gogeta upscale
up.. upscale?
obsidian sentinel
hazy garnet
I wanted Kaguya to mess up the meta a good bit, and she does. So it'll be a bit before people figure it out
obsidian sentinel
Cid also
True
I think popping esdeath domain before nuke might still be better with all buffs though
obtuse sleet
im assuming the rotation with kaguya requires a bit of effort to do
hazy garnet
Yeah
obtuse sleet
honestly from what im seeing of kaguya im happy w how shes balanced
a 1 placement that really doesnt need monarch
and you can just slap on any team
good dps, amazing support
verstile compared to gogeta
obsidian sentinel
Yeah the support aspect is probably the best way to use her
Dps is solid but that circle is kinda unfortunate
Best support in the game, probably.
obtuse sleet
ye probably tbh
way more easier to use then astolfo too
tho, astolfo buffs overall dmg compared to kaguya buffing certain elements
hazy garnet
tho, astolfo buffs overall dmg compared to kaguya buffing certain elements
This is the meta shakeup
Notices it's mostly underused elements
hazy garnet
mostly
obsidian sentinel
Huh
hazy garnet
I designed her a long time ago
Kit wise
Because I saw how the meta game was progressing
obsidian sentinel
Make her circle bigger 🔥 🔥 🔥
hazy garnet
And wanted to try and change it
hazy garnet
Make her circle bigger 🔥 🔥 🔥
She does full map damage every 20 seconds
30*
I think she's good
obsidian sentinel
She does full map damage every 20 seconds
I mean that dps isnt too high but she does do that yeah
Its ight
hazy garnet
obsidian sentinel
Im trolling
Buffing capabilities make up for bad aoe probs
Thats what i see her being used as primarily anyway
hazy garnet
After people requesting for more powercreep, idk what is and isn't trolling anymore
People don't understand how close we are to hitting 1m dmg stats
obsidian sentinel
After people requesting for more powercreep, idk what is and isn't trolling anym...
Also valk is it intetional for mark to do +100% damage for every boss he hits
hazy garnet
Also valk is it intetional for mark to do +100% damage for every boss he hits
No, but it doesn't really hurt anything so we left it in
obsidian sentinel
People don't understand how close we are to hitting 1m dmg stats
Yhwach probably hits it
obsidian sentinel
No, but it doesn't really hurt anything so we left it in
Good to know
hazy garnet
How often are you actually hitting multiple bosses
obsidian sentinel
Not often
hazy garnet
Yeah
obsidian sentinel
But it does double dps even with just 1 boss
hazy garnet
And even then the dmg isn't to the bosses themselves
obsidian sentinel
Yeah that is true
hazy garnet
So he just stays to his niche as a mob nuker
obsidian sentinel
So he just stays to his niche as a mob nuker
Can gogeta get auto tp now please 
Isnt he the only vanguard who cant auto his ability now
obsidian sentinel
hazy garnet
Yes cosmic the most lacking category, that contains yhwach
obtuse sleet
Yes cosmic the most lacking category, that contains yhwach
exactlyyy
moreee yhwach buffs = new tier for yhwach in the meta
autumn dirge
Oh you havent looked into how goofy Kaguya gets then with proper domain rotation
You sure?
autumn dirge
https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gi...
Fire only last for 8 seconds with 15k tick
So 22 seconds waste
Frostburg only last for 2 sec
28 seconds wasted
elder hatch
I love how nobody realises gogeta breaks 200k dps with kaguya
Even though I keep saying it hes literally broken out of his mind now
You put a good 20+ birb on him with crit gg you have a dps unit with virtually infinite range paired with kaguya who also has infinite range
tired ivy
Units should not be doing the same damage that they did in like update 2 without...
Too early for a power creep gang
elder hatch
With ethereal vergil its even more broken vs bosses
elder hatch
Most definitely
tired ivy
So prob u will get your raw 100k update 7 or .5
elder hatch
Wait until shrine makes a vid on kaguya
tired ivy
Honestly
elder hatch
People cant read they need to be spoonfed the dimensions and stuff
tired ivy
He breaks it down so well
elder hatch
Blast is literally the most crazy element in the game rn (besides unknown obviously)
tired ivy
People cant read they need to be spoonfed the dimensions and stuff
Als and anime defenders rlly cooked their shit
Yea
elder hatch
Als and anime defenders rlly cooked their shit
Yea they care only about dps and cost
Nobody has even got on the new familiar yet LOL
i havent tested it but if corruption 4 buffs stack (you can get multiple elements corruption 4 on the new familiar) then it can go nuts on kaguya
tired ivy
Yea that familiar is fucking good as shit
elder hatch
Fr i got a 15% passion and holy buff
tired ivy
Holy
elder hatch
idk what element kaguya has though like all ehr starting elements
wait nvm
Yea i have no good holy units at ALL
tired ivy
Her base element is blossom
elder hatch
Nature?
tired ivy
Yea i have no good holy units at ALL
Only good holy unit I have is Gil that’s because he has monarch
elder hatch
Only good holy unit I have is Gil that’s because he has monarch
the holy element is actually debatably the worst rn for the reason being that arc and vegito are the only holy units that are currently like top tier
gilgamesh still good but yea u need monarch
and vegito u obviously dont get him holy until you fuse
elder hatch
The lil flower
wiki says nature
tired ivy
Yea nvm she is nature
tired ivy
and vegito u obviously dont get him holy until you fuse
Yea
elder hatch
Ts why next update is gonna be berserk trust griffith/femto swap unit that is holy unknown
Large cope
tired ivy
It’s hxh
elder hatch
Still unconfirmed the cipher hasnt been solved yet
obsidian sentinel
You put a good 20+ birb on him with crit gg you have a dps unit with virtually i...
Eh
elder hatch
Hxh is a strong possibility though
tired ivy
Some ppl have solved it one of the writing says gon
Pretty sure there’s a video out
But I want berserk
Am getting that mf monarch
Idc
elder hatch
Some ppl have solved it one of the writing says gon
Thats not it solved
obsidian sentinel
It says smth like annihilate agony and 1 more word
elder hatch
But I want berserk
Me too its a possibility but we wont know until the codes been cracked
elder hatch
Gogeta's core issue has never been dps
I need to test kaguya out on other dps units rn but idk if anyone will get 200k+ raw dps with kaguya
raw as in no follow ups
obsidian sentinel
I need to test kaguya out on other dps units rn but idk if anyone will get 200k+...
Not wirh kaguya
elder hatch
or aizen aura bs
obsidian sentinel
Yhwach does it though
elder hatch
What units gazelle sakura joe tech?
obsidian sentinel
Though its simply unfair to compare yhwach with any other unit
obsidian sentinel
Maybe 200k needs a good familiar
Gazzele and familiar should make up the difference
elder hatch
Yhwach is the goat but he is not as good with kaguya cause 1 placement lowkey
elder hatch
Double dungeon inf and shibuya rely on him
elder hatch
For killing god statue you need gogeta
obsidian sentinel
I dont do dd
elder hatch
But yh choi is insane now
elder hatch
Vergil can be good too on inf with ethereal and kaguya besides the new map tbh
elder hatch
He is the best choice if your runs being ended by a boss and not mobs
elder hatch
It kinda does only in the new map though cause of how fast dizzy is
atleast from what ive seen
But hes terrible there cause the armored knight guys immune to cc
elder hatch
No but can still buff spark by 60% iirc
obsidian sentinel
I think she buffs fire too
elder hatch
as for any element that isnt water blast or fire
kaguya buffs blast by 90
idk about the other two
obsidian sentinel
Its probably still better to use cid nuke with esdeath domain though ngl lol
Especially with fuu
1.5x multiplicative buff is just way too strong
elder hatch
True but u can also use both IF kaguyas domain applies to others units and not just your own
someone can be doing kaguya domains and cid monarchs bring esdeath
obsidian sentinel
someone can be doing kaguya domains and cid monarchs bring esdeath
Yeah in inf youll bring both
However it will get awkward to use kaguya
Since domains cant be up at once
elder hatch
Yeah people will need to figure out how to use her properly first
obsidian sentinel
Its probably just gonna be as much fire uptime as possible since you wanna hyperbuff choy
Gogeta upscale is good to see ig
elder hatch
i think u can use foo too on kaguya
obsidian sentinel
The aoe is just unfortunate really
elder hatch
True but aoe aside his raw dps is crazy good
obsidian sentinel
i think u can use foo too on kaguya
20 second buff yeah
elder hatch
if you place cone aoe smart you can get the best value
obsidian sentinel
You'll never really get better value than choy
Dark mage is unfortunate ngl
He couldve been so good
obsidian sentinel
Depends on lag
elder hatch
Dark mage is unfortunate ngl
Watch when they drop the berserk upd 🔥 🔥
guts deep bleed dark mage #1 unit
I can only hope 💔
But fr I want a dot meta so bad
autumn dirge
I love how nobody realises gogeta breaks 200k dps with kaguya
That's not uh enough
Sol doing 400k
Redueu doing 200k or so every 10s
Mark doing 100%+ dmg per boss
elder hatch
Sol doing 400k
Redueu doing 200k or so every 10s
Idk how ur getting 400k dps for sol
From 110k avg without kaguya lol
Can maybe get sol to like 200-210k in dragon install mode sure
obsidian sentinel
Can maybe get sol to like 200-210k in dragon install mode sure
Nah
Its 110k average no buffs, all buffs would be like 200k probs.
Hibana is pretty massive for him
obsidian sentinel
Mark doing 100%+ dmg per boss
Yeah but how often do you hit more than 1 boss at once
Mark is still good but thats unrealistic
elder hatch
Its 110k average no buffs, all buffs would be like 200k probs.
Yeah 400k is absurd only aizen aura can reach 400k and beyond
obsidian sentinel
Yeah 400k is absurd only aizen aura can reach 400k and beyond
Eh its possible these days probably
I reckon gogeta can reach 350 with all supports and a good enough birb
Choy does but hes weird
elder hatch
Eh its possible these days probably
If kaguya gives 60% to other elements then its possible for 440k
with the birb i have and shit
Cuz his dmg stat + dabo 81
obsidian sentinel
With dabo you could technically just get like anything
elder hatch
Dabo + baiken
obsidian sentinel
Byeken is weird to use in inf lb ngl
You do want her for her ability
But you dont really want tethered
obsidian sentinel
Lag?
Cant stack slow on top of it
Dont know if you can stack salter slow but you cant stack regular slow
elder hatch
Oh that sucks lol but still using the ability might provide more value anyways
obsidian sentinel
And slow is more important
elder hatch
If you have your gojo and other cc etc
obsidian sentinel
Oh that sucks lol but still using the ability might provide more value anyways
Yeah the ability is good stall
Which is why you still do probably bring her
elder hatch
Plus the 0.1 dmg thing
obsidian sentinel
But you need to place her weirdly
elder hatch
on tethered enemies
obsidian sentinel
Nah slow is more important than that imo
elder hatch
yh but if you are using her anyways its an added bonus
only one person prob needs her though
i wanna run lbs but no eth/monarch cid or kaguya yet
autumn dirge
Idk how ur getting 400k dps for sol
with old supports
