tbf, you can use that same logic on other units
#Rimuru rework
vital sundial
gogeta without monarch is kinda useless to most secrets with something like deadeye/ethereal
past timber
gogeta without monarch is kinda useless to most secrets with something like dead...
yes
and i do
vital sundial
it sucks that some units either become monarch reliant, or literally ass
without monarch
vital sundial
imo, kaguya is a prefect example of a unit
past timber
i don't like if a unit needs monarch to perform, and i don't like if a unit cannot use monarch to perform and is forced to use other traits
vital sundial
she isnt too monarch reliant
past timber
why not just be able to use all traits
past timber
imo, kaguya is a prefect example of a unit
na i think vsjw is a perfect example
vital sundial
na i think vsjw is a perfect example
vsjw imo is the worst verison of a unit
because the game with him quite literally is a cake walk
past timber
because the game with him quite literally is a cake walk
true
past timber
but i was mainly talking about like his trait options
thats all
but yes he clears everything
nothing so far has been a challenge if you have him on your team
even traitless
vital sundial
my wl grind was literally
Place VSJW > Auto click + AUto Shadow > Lied down on my bed
Rince and Repeat until im floor 80 and start going for lb
grim smelt
what if a f2p rolled monarch on accident 🤔
vital sundial
what if a f2p rolled monarch on accident 🤔
tough
past timber
what if a f2p rolled monarch on accident 🤔
gonna have to use it
or just get another rimuru and roll again
jolly cloud
bump
hollow comet
rimuru is very good why rework
Just checked his passives n shi
If you got a monarch just get over it
vital sundial
"very good"
tbf hes top meta in overall, most ppl look at that then traits
past timber
tbf hes top meta in overall, most ppl look at that then traits
that tl is traitless / "sub-optimal traits"
past timber
2 gamemodes in this game are traitless
vital sundial
jolly cloud
tbf hes top meta in overall, most ppl look at that then traits
the av wiki tier list always sucks anyway , this shouldn’t even be used as a guide imo
vital sundial
the av wiki tier list always sucks anyway , this shouldn’t even be used as a gui...
yea true ngl
i use it more as a reference then a guide\
hollow comet
"very good"
Comparing monarchs with ethereal
past timber
Comparing monarchs with ethereal
??
acting like its my fault they made his best trait ethereal
past timber
monarch units being better than rimuru doesn't mean he's bad
you realize its not about dps right
he out dpses most of them w monarch
its about how ass his kit is compared to other ones
like aizen has way less dps than him but his kit is so much better
so thats why he's higher
hollow comet
He is higher cuz
Monarch
More cost efficient + higher DPS overall
Comparing monarch aizen to ethereal rimuru is wild ASF
past timber
Comparing monarch aizen to ethereal rimuru is wild ASF
not really..
hollow comet
Yes really
past timber
More cost efficient + higher DPS overall
eth rimuru and monarch eizen are close in price
and rimuru has more dps
but again aizen has way better passives
hollow comet
eth rimuru and monarch eizen are close in price
20k dps on placement versus 1-2k on placement
Insane comparison
past timber
20k dps on placement versus 1-2k on placement
why would the first unit you place be aizen
as your start bro
hollow comet
so what
past timber
???
hollow comet
Save up
past timber
Alr dude
hollow comet
Doesn't work on all maps
But still better than rimuru?
dawg 4 rimuru's doesn't catch up to Aizen's DPS idk what you're on
Aizen has like 100k+ DPS you do realize that right
past timber
Aizen has like 100k+ DPS you do realize that right
for like 4 seconds
hollow comet
for like 4 seconds
4 seconds
past timber
and why is that
cs of his passives
https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-speed-ishowspeed-speed-laugh-ishowspeed-laugh-gif-3259526663984568833
past timber
so you're just agreeing with my point earlier
that hes higher cs of his passives/kit
hollow comet
I never said passives doesn't matter
jolly cloud
guys can we please stop looking at dps 💔
hollow comet
I said biggest factor is the monarch
jolly cloud
this is passive vanguards
past timber
whos gonna tell him
jolly cloud
We are talking about DPS with passives
yes and it’s pure dps 🥀
hollow comet
Also thanks
hollow comet
yes and it’s pure dps 🥀
They're both lowk pure dps
hollow comet
Costs are very close
past timber
dumbass
jolly cloud
They're both lowk pure dps
who
hollow comet
No he's not ass
jolly cloud
yes we know
hollow comet
Fr though rimuru is not ass
jolly cloud
anyone that’s not a FRESH player has NO reason to run rimuru
hollow comet
He's not ass bro wdym
past timber
don't call us gng
nobody here likes you bro
😭
NOBODY
AND I MEAN NOBDY
SAID HE WAS VIABLE
THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD
you might be the dumbest av player i have ever seen
in my life
its insane
you are a MORON
HOLY SHIT
thank God
braindead loser out
calm moon
Honestly I’m not even a slime fan and I kinda feel bad for rimuriu fans due to what they did with him, I see what the devs were doing and it’s actually pretty cool and effective it’s just kinda disappointing knowing the variety of things he could do, especially with his boring manual
Goku still better though so I’m not complaining
past timber
Goku still better though so I’m not complaining
calm moon
Hey man I gotta glaze him that’s my guy
past timber
Why are you including me
cs hes a dumbass
hollow comet
I mean even if it is 20k DPS for 70k is very usable
hollow comet
cs hes a dumbass
You are comparing monarch aizen with eth rimuru
ragna was a temp monarch for non monarch owners
Same with rimuru
jolly cloud
buff on placement solved the whole issue
jolly cloud
buffing buff monarch and traitless
past timber
You are comparing monarch aizen with eth rimuru
how is me comparing best trait with best trait not fair
like what do you want me to say bro
even with the best trait rimuru still out dpses him
hollow comet
how is me comparing best trait with best trait not fair
It's ok
past timber
idk how me bringing up his trait isnt fair
hollow comet
But you're telling me rimuru is bad
Just because it can't beat meta monarchs
He's trait independent
past timber
Just because it can't beat meta monarchs
????
hollow comet
Let it bem
hollow comet
He can't
hollow comet
Oh didn't see mb
past timber
He reduces his own cost?
SAY ONG
Like i don't care bro 😭
Tf does reducing his own cost have to do with rimuru tempest
hollow comet
Atp I'm just blocking
past timber
Random ass passive 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭
hollow comet
Not worth arguing with vanguardians
past timber
How they look at rimuru in the anime and go "yea lets make this guy ranga v2 with lower cost each update"
past timber
Atp I'm just blocking
Please don't block me kitchen
past timber
Went from buff it to passive is too random
i always have said his passives are random
But ok
past timber
Went from buff it to passive is too random
https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-speed-ishowspeed-speed-laugh-ishowspeed-laugh-gif-3259526663984568833
hollow comet
"I was arguing about passives being random 4 days ago what are you talking about, so I went out of our argument baka!"
unreal fulcrum
I agree, his passives don’t make sense at all. Doesn’t match Rimuru
past timber
I agree, his passives don’t make sense at all. Doesn’t match Rimuru
tbh with you that's the main reason why i don't like av's rimuru
and i have high doubts he will get reworked anyway
unreal fulcrum
tbh with you that's the main reason why i don't like av's rimuru
I’m just not satisfied with them giving Rimuru the Subaru treatment
past timber
just hope for a 2nd evo maybe
unreal fulcrum
Subaru did not make sense at all with his passives
past timber
I’m just not satisfied with them giving Rimuru the Subaru treatment
yeah
unreal fulcrum
And neither does Rimuru
past timber
Subaru did not make sense at all with his passives
so random
past timber
And neither does Rimuru
i agree
hollow comet
Subaru did not make sense at all with his passives
It kinda makes sense
unreal fulcrum
It kinda makes sense
his return by death just gives Yen
hollow comet
Like he dies gets experience and shi and helps his companions
hollow comet
<:hmm:1290784504075784263> his return by death just gives Yen
Doesn't it also give buff
hollow comet
Yeah that part makes sense Imo
In the anime
He dies right
And helps others using his experience
I mean it doesn't make complete sense
unreal fulcrum
It should’ve been it resets back one wave with extra YEN or let units keep the upgrade
hollow comet
But it's alright
unreal fulcrum
But it's alright
it’s Subaru. Arguably the best isekai MC
they did him really
Really
Dirty
unreal fulcrum
Yeah he is a support and prob the best support
hollow comet
Maybe they could've given him the authority of greed
Like cleansing a unit and stunning itself
applying effects to itself
With a local cool down of 10-20 sec
unreal fulcrum
I just think they should’ve made his ability that if you loose, reset back a wave and keep the Yen or Upgrades
hollow comet
that's too op
unreal fulcrum
that's too op
It really isn’t
unreal fulcrum
All it does is reset back a wave.
unreal fulcrum
It's just a worldline unit
Yeah
hollow comet
All it does is reset back a wave.
If you lose ue
It would probably come with many bugs
unreal fulcrum
It would probably come with many bugs
hollow comet
out of every unit
They did valentine dirty
Hard obtainment n shi to be the worst unit
unreal fulcrum
They did valentine dirty
I feel like everybody agrees he should’ve been able to summon enemies
Like that’s his entire gimmick
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
Rimuru is fine
please leave the chat 🙏
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
@rare gale Suggestion:
**Reworked--Great Sage
When attaching enemy's gains 1% analyzation adding 1% dmg.Caps at 40%(Stays permanently when fully analyzed so you don't have to build it back up for that same enemy) Its not a clickable thing
Added passive--Status immunity
Cant be affected by ANY effects
same--Self Replication
For every currently placed copy of this unit that is placed, this unit gains +30% damage; Any buff applied to this unit is shared among all the placements, Does not count for any stage buffs such as weather or the like, or any full AoE buffs such as Haruka Rin.
same--Evolving Slime
Every upgrade this unit gains, reduce the cost of the next upgrades of other player-owned placements of this unit by 3%.
**
(side note from me , add buff on placement so monarch is useable but still worse than traitless 🙏 )
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
bump
wheat glacier
somber cipher
<@541105585496522752> Suggestion:
**Reworked--Great Sage
When attaching enemy's ...
It still keeps him as cheap-meta-slave tho...
I agree that Rimuru having this kit is weird. Like, essentially evolving somehow reduces cost? Analyzing enemy gives more damage is fine but no dodge chance or anything? And especially fun to see him having "clones" that just... Share buffs among all Rimuru
And all of that while Predator... Ahem... His main skill, other than Great Sage, just not existing in unit's kit. Point of giving him immunity with book is like saying that he cannot do it on his own (ahem, Predator's isolation of negative effects). But hey, we got Ragna-treatment that doesn't feel like Rimuru at all. And noone even need Ragna treatment to be good progressive unit. Prove me wrong, but if he had 3 placements but higher stats, would it make him Monarch-req unit? No. He'd still get higher DPS from Etherial, cost efficiency will be kept, and last passive will still work. But nah, he's 4 placement and Ragna treatment to make sure that if you got too lucky you basically took the L, which is not very player-friendly
And like come on, i am fine with Rimuru underperforming or having lower stats for as long as Rimuru feels like Rimuru. And what we got has basically any kit resemblance to him. Ngl, if you take off names of passives and name of skill in his kit, you can even just think that it's Lelouch, no?
echo quail
we should ask for nerf
that mf doesn't deserve to be good
somber cipher
Nuh, bro gone good path in story to be done good, unlike Kaguya
jolly cloud
rimuru buff
green bay
nah replace that garbage active with an active that lets you copy the element of another unit that’s been placed down
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
bump
hollow comet
<@541105585496522752> Suggestion:
**Reworked--Great Sage
When attaching enemy's ...
Bro just added one passive and nerfed remiru's third passive
jolly cloud
Bro just added one passive and nerfed remiru's third passive
how is the third nerfed what 😹 ?
hollow comet
Oh mb I mixed it up with smth else
But yeah very creative literally changed nothing except 1 passive
This is what happens when you create a suggestion to cope with monarch rimuru and then decide to actually make a "rework"
jolly cloud
bump
past timber
This is what happens when you create a suggestion to cope with monarch rimuru an...
ehhhh i might have to agree with you on this one
the passives he made isn’t like a whole big of a change
but tldr the main thing wrong w rimuru imo is
- passives don’t match his character (and great sage doesn’t make sense to what it does in the anime)
- great sage is annoying to use
- not immune to status effects (like he is in the anime and manga)
- (a bit of a nitpick but, shiny model lore wise does not make any sense)
grim smelt
passives fine ability ass 😊
barren bolt
The only good point you made was that he has a lot of resistances in the show, therefore he should have some form of immunity, but let's not beat around the bush, you're not asking for a rimuru rework because he's underwhelming or feels weak, you're asking for a rimuru rework because it's not what you wanted with the unit. Rimuru as it stands, with 4 placements maxed out at a cost of around 104k for all 4 placements because of the cost reduction passive, with his best trait, ethereal and without the DMG boost of great sage, it's standing at 70k DPS, the unit is good, you're only complaining because it's not what you want. Instead of asking for a rework on this rimuru, which btw ISNT demon lord rimuru, but just the rimuru that founded Tempest, You SHOULD be asking, for a Tensura UPDATE, where as a separate unit, potentially another secret, we get demon lord rimuru, just how with the bleach update, we already had a rare ichigo, but got a mythic one regardless
And don't get me wrong
I am also
VERY disappointed
With how they've decided to do rimuru as of the moment
And my cope is that a Tensura update will come out eventually that introduces demon king rimuru
past timber
The only good point you made was that he has a lot of resistances in the show, t...
yessssssssssssss
this 100%
but we all know a tensura update is never happening
and we all know he isn't getting a 2nd evo, because rimuru is a limited unit
barren bolt
We can dream and cope
past timber
really is a waste of what could've been a really cool character
past timber
We can dream and cope
also i think you're right we really don't want a rework cs hes like unusable, he's not. he could've and should've just been a lot better
but oh well
bc he is not touching a buff or a change 😭 and we 100% are not getting a tensura update
barren bolt
also i think you're right we really don't want a rework cs hes like unusable, he...
Because that's how it is
People were hyped
Because of how cool Rimuru as a character is
And Instead of him being a cool unit
past timber
Because of how cool Rimuru as a character is
and how much he was asked for
2000 star suggestion for him/ a tensura update
thats the most stars i have seen in suggestions i think
barren bolt
They copped out by going for some niche uniqueness that makes him very good, but not what the community was expecting
past timber
They copped out by going for some niche uniqueness that makes him very good, but...
fair enough
i can hope that in the future somehow he gets a 2nd evo, or they make a whole new unit for him and drop him with all the other tensura characters in a whole update
barren bolt
I just hope for the future when they do units like Rimuru who has so much abilities, they take that into account when making the unit
past timber
I just hope for the future when they do units like Rimuru who has so much abilit...
100%
barren bolt
Rimuru easily could have been a unit
That is a very long grind
That is then rewarded
With a very good unit
Because the character has so much abilities
barren bolt
rimuru is a cooler character than kaguya 😭
This is facts
barren bolt
can't believe they chose her over rimuru as the vanguard
Kaguya was chosen for a multitude of reasons
N1 Lortomo begging for Naruto content
N2, she's technically like the god of nature
Because she created chakra as a whole
past timber
N2, she's technically like the god of nature
fair
barren bolt
Which chakra is just nature energy
barren bolt
fair
I don't think this event
Will last more then a month
Which honestly will be absurd
But my reasoning is
past timber
Will last more then a month
after this update it might be gone
not this update sorry
barren bolt
They said they want to do a summer
past timber
like the hxh one
past timber
They said they want to do a summer
yea
so they said "spring is gonna be shorter than usual"
barren bolt
like the hxh one
At most a month in a half
Yea
And honestly they should have buffed the currency from right now
But oh well
vital sundial
Shiny kaguya will be a unit with relatively high value
relatively high, ye,
wanted? mmm,
the community can agree shes not really a good shiny.
jolly cloud
bump
barren bolt
the community can agree shes not really a good shiny.
Most shinies aren't good
vital sundial
Most shinies aren't good
i would argue theres alot of good shinies
personally, we need more shinies with really good quality
i think the bleach upd i had the best shinies ngl, they should of kept that quality throughtout them all
instead of just colour swaps
jolly cloud
yup
jolly cloud
i think the bleach upd i had the best shinies ngl, they should of kept that qual...
bleach update was the best update anywya
barren bolt
i think the bleach upd i had the best shinies ngl, they should of kept that qual...
Ichigo lost the coat.
Yama is imo mid asf
Only yuha and Aizen
Imo are good shinies from bleach
wheat needle
Ichigo lost the coat.
Its from bbs its a pretty cool design imo
Yama is also decent
Its just aizen fight yama
barren bolt
Its from bbs its a pretty cool design imo
You don't get it. The shiny ichigo has NO coat
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
bump
strong heron
bump
flat wing
grim smelt
Ngl rimuru is fine
Literally only change it needs is the ability
And if u even TALK abt the passive go die im talking abt the actual ability
explain how its fine
Explain where it'd be useful ever
U cant say the ability is good without mentioning the passive 😭
not useful at all honestly
they couldve picked anything from rimurus arsenal
Pre demonlord rimuru already had a decent amount of stuff to go off of
night rapids
who plays PvP...?
grim smelt
His entire kit is a copy n paste of ragna and they js decided to add some useless fuckin ability
night rapids
im sorry to hear that
grim smelt
from what ive seen pvp is a battle to see how fast one can cheese/stall
night rapids
His entire kit is a copy n paste of ragna and they js decided to add some useles...
40% extra dmg isnt bad
good boss killer
digital spear
His entire kit is a copy n paste of ragna and they js decided to add some useles...
Correct me if im wrong but doesn’t it give a 40% dmg boost or something
grim smelt
40% extra dmg isnt bad
good boss killer
YOU CANT SAY THE ABILITY BEING GOOD WITHOUT MENTIONING THE PASSIVE
YOU CANYT
NOBODY CAN
THE MAIN ABILITY
SUCKS !!!
grim smelt
im confused now
explain how rimurus ability is good
without talking abt the passive
same with u @digital spear
digital spear
I just joined the thread, and i don’t play h the game so i was looking for clarification for Rimurus kit
night rapids
explain how rimurus ability is good
without talking abt the passive
does the ability not count as the 40%?
grim smelt
does the ability not count as the 40%?
bro
digital spear
Will do anything to hate LOL
night rapids
I havent played AV cuz I thought the update was kinda boring
digital spear
I didn’t even make that suggestion 💔
digital spear
Are we silly gang
grim smelt
give me a break brother its 12 am for me lol
wtv my point still standas
digital spear
explain how rimurus ability is good
without talking abt the passive
I don’t even know his passives man, i heard hes like ragna or sum
grim smelt
NOBODY in this thread has ever been able to convince me great sage ability is good without talking abt the passive
night rapids
idk like I got the 200 rr from shop, didnt even get a mythic trait
havent played since
grim smelt
I don’t even know his passives man, i heard hes like ragna or sum
its a ragna copy n paste
in a way
night rapids
NOBODY in this thread has ever been able to convince me great sage ability is go...
I mean either way its 40% dmg lol
its better than not having it at least
grim smelt
the fact that its purely info which anybody in this whole server can get with a google search or a skim through the av wiki is astounding
totally useless
night rapids
There is no downside to the ability no matter how bad you think it is, becasue the ability is DIRECTLY tied to the passive, there is no really seperating the two
grim smelt
also some other guy made a crazy point
rimurus main ability
couldve just been a qol
night rapids
it should work if you use the ability it unlocks the bestiary thing frfr
grim smelt
why should a single unit be needed to get info when one i can use index or two look them up in wiki
grim smelt
it should work if you use the ability it unlocks the bestiary thing frfr
a free what 100 rr 😭
night rapids
a free what 100 rr 😭
shhhhh
grim smelt
the only way the ability could be better without adding a completely new ability is by having the ability apply to every unit on the field but at a signifcantly weaker rate
like instead of 40% its 20%
or someone else can come up with a better idea bc thats like the only thing i can come up with rn
night rapids
Honestly I don't even feel like playing AV anymore lol
my trait luck is awful and using 250 rr and not getting a single mythic trait just annoyed me so bad its driving me away lmao
plus all these updates have okay units but annoying grinds, just no point tbh
grim smelt
its literally js a winter copy n paste soo
night rapids
i didnt like the winter update
or really the last like 4 updates tbh
grim smelt
Cant rly be surprised by the fact its boring for lots anyways
TDS falling off when AV hits its 10th upd
unless they perform some miracle that completely revives the game
night rapids
its getting to the point where I'm starting to think ALS is just more fun
grim smelt
thats a stretch
grim smelt
But i can see how being god in that game is fun to lots
night rapids
I havent played als in a month, just tried new update, still can actually solo everything
grim smelt
Get 1 glitched on a proper meta n ur lowkey set for the whole game 😭
grim smelt
mobile players in love with als since its so giving
night rapids
thats a good thing tbh
grim smelt
you dont HAVE to play every weekly update
trying to stay in meta is highkey impossible tho
night rapids
trying to stay in meta is highkey impossible tho
really?
grim smelt
i took a single break the game updated and everything was powercrept
night rapids
i hadnt played for a month and my stuff was stil fine
well yeah but you can still play the new content at least, it just might not be as easy as it would have
night rapids
idk I just think ALS is a better casual game than AV
grim smelt
Ive seen some ppl try debating that als is hard 😭
night rapids
cuz I have a job now, I cant be playing AV every day all day
night rapids
Ive seen some ppl try debating that als is hard 😭
nah and it doesnt really need to be
Plus theyve def gotten better recently from what ive seen
grim smelt
only debatable hard part from als is starting it
night rapids
i think they just fixed that tho with this update
night rapids
I think they made it so you start with like an overlord ticket, oshi, and some other stuff id remember
wheat glacier
you dont HAVE to play every weekly update
Well yeah because the units become outdated two weeks later so you can skip stuff and then just get the new units and be fine 
night rapids
did cid become a godly or secret
uhhhhhh, secret I think? idk
grim smelt
the addition of adding story skip had to be the best als feature ive ever seen from that game
Worst part of als was having to do 6 stories
When all u did was place a hybrid and wait like 3m
or 5
was js a total waste of time
night rapids
Well yeah because the units become outdated two weeks later so you can skip stuf...
I don't see how thats a bad thing lol
I tried that with AV, hell nah
my Gojo was not cutting any Fate / Bleach stuff
grim smelt
tbf gojo lasted like 4 updates
night rapids
I stopped playing after that DanDaDan update, got back in during DB
night rapids
plus not having monarch def makes me less motivated to play the game now
thats just me, cuz when i invest a lot of time into stuff and don't get anything it really brings my enthusiam down
grim smelt
art of gambling
jolly cloud
look at the shiny , there is no possibility of another rimuru so change this one
nobody plays ts
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
which is y rimuru needs a rework
no rework
why make the shiny any worse than it actually is when the cosmetic is already shit
no?
how so?
bro
true demon lord is current dhiny
why would u down grade??
ur making zero sense
blissful glade
i suggest rimuru vanguard💀
jolly cloud
there is no true demon lord rimur , i doubt theyll even add that to the game , so why would they make the shiny less "cool" that it already is when the unit is already shit
making it worse
u make no sense bro
which isnt gonna hppen
"we have plans on making a 2nd rimuru , so were gonna make it worse for u shiny rimuru owners and make it even worse"
just doesn't make any sense whatsoever
blissful glade
i think he will be a vanguard unit near future
jolly cloud
i think he will be a vanguard unit near future
just not happening
blissful glade
cuz it still not says "Demon Lord"
jolly cloud
nobody wants that
we want the fit
no one wants the fucking mask bro
i could bet 100
i could genuinely bet money people would want the fit over the mask
cid cosmetic but sure buddy 👍
blissful glade
petition for rimuru ( Demon Lord ) as a Vanguard unit
yes
i hope they do it like 1.0 upd gap give them enough time to create a quest to get it
neat pollen
bump
jolly cloud
nobody wants the mask gang
thorn oak
heres something cool that happened when i turned visuals off before the slime cubes break
at least i think thats what happened
jolly cloud
bump
jolly cloud
bump
floral basalt
I think
The idea of a unit easy to get + not reliant on monarch
Prob they are doing It every Seasonal update
jolly cloud
Prob they are doing It every Seasonal update
they need to announce ts so people don’t roll on it 🥀
floral basalt
self explanatory
the most logical way to roll on something is knowing what the unit do
jolly cloud
the most logical way to roll on something is knowing what the unit do
even then rimuru still buns
wheat glacier
they need to announce ts so people don’t roll on it 🥀
Maybe check the passives of a unit before you roll, like knowing whether they're a support or not
Surely it can't be that hard to think
wheat glacier
its not happening gang
unreal fulcrum
its not happening gang
yes it is
because remember when you say "So what Rimuru doesn't have Immunity? Just use Astolfo on them."
It only applies to ONE.
unreal fulcrum
@wheat glacier These two screenshots just refuted your entire argument "Just use Astolfo's ability on rimuru"
The immunity isnt even shared.
velvet wraith
Maybe check the passives of a unit before you roll, like knowing whether they're...
ur the reason why i have monarch ragna
even tho hes not so done tbh
wheat glacier
It only applies to ONE.
Yeah, I know. 
It's already been reported and fixed on test though
velvet wraith
Yeah, I know. <:FeelsBadMan:718162675141443717>
unreal fulcrum
Yeah, I know. <:FeelsBadMan:718162675141443717>
I almost reported it as bug report-
So it was a bug?
Cause I do not want to get bug report blacklisted
for something I assumed base on your implying its shared
unreal fulcrum
wheat glacier
I went and double checked last night
But it's already been fixed
Who knows when it gets pushed though 
unreal fulcrum
all things set aside, Rimuru needs a buff
Yes, they are "f2p" friendly or "monarch friendly", but comparing the base DPS of Rimuru with the others, they do not compete at all
wheat glacier
Nah
unreal fulcrum
hell Salter has more benefits than rimuru
unreal fulcrum
The unit has crazy cost efficiency
wheat glacier
And has a lot of potential for the future with that buff sharing thing
unreal fulcrum
Zhryko stop stalking the chat
random ibex
Salter is the best unit in this game
wheat glacier
Salter also requires you to run Sakura to make her a good deal better and relies on you being willing to sac your own other unit dps
unreal fulcrum
Salter has full AOE and has burn damage
wheat glacier
Burn on like, every fifth hit and loses full aoe on max
unreal fulcrum
_>
unreal fulcrum
Burn on like, every fifth hit and loses full aoe on max
yeah so you dont max it out
plus Salter can slow enemies
immune to any status effects
wheat glacier
She also doesn't reach a comparable total dps
unreal fulcrum
I have salter as my most used
wheat glacier
For the same cost
unreal fulcrum
wheat glacier
And Rimuru doesn't actively nerf your team
random ibex
I have monarch vsjw
unreal fulcrum
Salter also requires you to run Sakura to make her a good deal better and relies...
also arguably you need to sacrifice a slot for a single target buffer for Rimuru
so...
yeah
I have a 26% Crit Rate
and uh
24% Crit Damage Birb
second try to get it
0 corruption 
whats the max amount for birb
like perfect stats
30%?
no corrupt
weak bear
20 30 20 20
unreal fulcrum
really? huh
wheat glacier
also arguably you need to sacrifice a slot for a single target buffer for Rimuru
I mean, you don't? You can if you want, but there's nothing saying you have to. If anything, the same argument would apply more for salter with sakura
unreal fulcrum
I mean, you don't? You can if you want, but there's nothing saying you have to. ...
then by that logic Rimuru deals less DPS than Salter. Cause I've run multiple teams with Salter without Sokora.
I WAS JUST IN SANDBOX ZHRYKO
my point being is the newest limited secret portal unit
barely even competes for the meta
at least frickin uh
wheat glacier
He's a traitless meta unit, easily
random ibex
Ragna sucks
unreal fulcrum
When Ragna came out, he was somewhat meta
random ibex
I still haven’t done the secret portal
unreal fulcrum
Check the wiki. Rimuru is so dam low
THATS THE THING, RIMURU ISNT
I think you see my point
wheat glacier
🤨
wheat glacier
wheat glacier
So low
unreal fulcrum
hollow comet
Go ahead and press overall trait familiar
It's still extremely good for anyone who doesn't have a monarch and still good overall
safe marsh
YWACH IS NOT TOP TIERT
wheat glacier
That's an old screenshot then
hollow comet
One for with optimal trait and familiar one without
safe marsh
Take his ass off
unreal fulcrum
That's an old screenshot then
Oh. Well.
hollow comet
Take his ass off
He is
safe marsh
Lies
wheat glacier
Yhwach is insanely good lmao
wheat glacier
You get a monarch yhwach and you just kinda win
safe marsh
Cid >
hollow comet
800k DMG for 60k is pretty good Imo
wheat glacier
There's a reason his ass is banned basically every other tourney
unreal fulcrum
You should watch the guy who teaches how to beat tournament
He always uses Yehowatch
Yes
safe marsh
Cid is so meta
hollow comet
Cid is so meta
We all know
unreal fulcrum
Also does Cid rn have a bug?
Why is it during John Smith he is immune to debuff cause his passive doesn’t say he is, but Shadow gets stunned and etc even tho he has the words “immune to debuffs” in his passive
wheat glacier
Shoutouts to rimuru being part of the current traitless tourney strat
wheat glacier
Why is it during John Smith he is immune to debuff cause his passive doesn’t say...
Because smith is unknown
Unknown is immune to debuffs and status effects
unreal fulcrum
Because smith is unknown
Oooh so that’s what the element does
wheat glacier
Lord of Shadows loses unknown and only gets debuff immunity, not status immunity
unreal fulcrum
Weird. My shadow still gets stunned some of the time
weak bear
He’s supposed to get stunned
hollow comet
Weird. My shadow still gets stunned some of the time
He is immune to debuffs
hollow comet
Not status effects
unreal fulcrum
What debuffs exactly
unreal fulcrum
Not status effects
Oh so… immune to energy drain?
weak bear
Stats debuff
hollow comet
Oh so… immune to energy drain?
immune to any debuff
safe marsh
Wowzers
wheat glacier
Weird. My shadow still gets stunned some of the time
Yeah, that's a status effect
hollow comet
So confusing
I feel smart among the community
wheat glacier
Debuffs = stat changes
Status effects = everything else that affects the character
unreal fulcrum
I see
So immune to energy drain
Hmm, I see
Anyways back to topic: BUFF RIMURU
wheat glacier
He doesn't need one lmao
unreal fulcrum
THE ONE CHARACTER WHO PEOPLE ALWAYS DEBATE THEY CAN SOLO GOKU
unreal fulcrum
Yeah but in the anime Rimuru’s like… main special thing is cleansing
vital sundial
lets have 1 ragna tourney
unreal fulcrum
Yeah your name checks out
safe marsh
Uhh actually
unreal fulcrum
I’m confused do I refer Rimuru as they or he
vital sundial
I’m confused do I refer Rimuru as they or he
its a he
safe marsh
On the official scale thingie
vital sundial
rimuru sees himself as a he
safe marsh
It is used
unreal fulcrum
I see
wheat needle
YWACH IS NOT TOP TIERT
safe marsh
And only a select few charcters in fiction have the honor of the title
unreal fulcrum
And only a select few charcters in fiction have the honor of the title
Asriel Dreemurr
unreal fulcrum
😭
safe marsh
Yes maybe idk
Cid is conential
Though
Contenential
Yeah
He can destroy a whole ass continent
My goat
Not country
Yes
That means more
Yes
unreal fulcrum
Asriel Dreemurr is the combination of Reinhardt from Re: Zero, SJW, and uh… some other characters
His stats are infinite attack infinite defense
He manipulates reality and timelines
Summons unkillable souls
safe marsh
Anos Voldigoad
unreal fulcrum
Reinhard okay okay-
safe marsh
Anos
unreal fulcrum
Asriel Dreemurr also dodges any attack, even if it literally lands on him
No no I’m saying Asriel has his abilities
He dodges any attacks even if it lands
safe marsh
Anos can't die even if u kill him
wheat needle
unreal fulcrum
Anos can't die even if u kill him
Pretty sure if you erase the timeline he’s in, he dies. Cause he dies across all past present and future
So Asriel slams
Not biased at all
wheat needle
How are u supposed to fight back
Concept erasure, probably
unreal fulcrum
Ignore my pfp
wheat needle
Just outhax him
safe marsh
Pretty sure if you erase the timeline he’s in, he dies. Cause he dies across all...
"Did u really think erasing my timeline will kill me"
vital sundial
didnt anos break something that had like
99 layers of something
i think it was universes or dimensions
and his sword vensulsa or whatever
havent watched misfit so
unreal fulcrum
"Did u really think erasing my timeline will kill me"
He can’t exist outside of a timeline
safe marsh
HE CAN BECAUSE
unreal fulcrum
His infinite stats already makes him multiverses
unreal fulcrum
psure undertale is on the lower end of scaling
Bro def hasn’t played Undertale then 😭 Asriel only lost cause he felt bad
safe marsh
Let's see what an Asrial is
vital sundial
Bro def hasn’t played Undertale then 😭 Asriel only lost cause he felt bad
i have
its just undertale in terms of cosmology just
doesnt really scale much
unreal fulcrum
Bro it's a goat with clothing
Yeah who has uh… family issues
safe marsh
A goat with colours of the rainbow
unreal fulcrum
So he becomes a god after absorbing six human souls
vital sundial
like in terms of statements, ye undertale probably scales high but it lacks cosmology
safe marsh
X chara
unreal fulcrum
idk man
safe marsh
Like X CHARA from AUT
wheat needle
How tf did you guys end up powerscaling
vital sundial
Like X CHARA from AUT
yesss
unreal fulcrum
Like X CHARA from AUT
My main,.,
vital sundial
x chara from aut
unreal fulcrum
How tf did you guys end up powerscaling
Lighten up, it’s for funsies
Tbf absorbing the entire underground already makes up for the seven human soul
wheat needle
Lighten up, it’s for funsies
unreal fulcrum
Idk but Asriel slams
safe marsh
Oh
unreal fulcrum
Asriel can’t beat him but neither can he loose
safe marsh
The goat slams?
wheat needle
Novel characters are always giga glazed like crazy
wheat needle
Asriel can’t beat him but neither can he loose
He can
wheat needle
Undertale cosmology is fodder compared to dc
unreal fulcrum
asriel is not touching wally
I just said Asriel can’t beat him 😭
But he can’t loose either
vital sundial
he looses
wheat needle
Yes he can
vital sundial
misreable
unreal fulcrum
He cannot take any damage
vital sundial
undertale lacks cosmology, so many verses scale above it
wheat needle
Theres different types of resistances and immunity
unreal fulcrum
His whole shenanigan is all damage done to him is automatically considered a miss
safe marsh
I refuse to believe anos loses to this guy
vital sundial
I refuse to believe anos loses to this guy
he dont
wheat needle
Dont think anyone in undertale can do shit against conceptual erasure
unreal fulcrum
Dont think anyone in undertale can do shit against conceptual erasure
Actually erasure can’t effect Chara
wheat needle
Barry outscales a fundamental phenomena in a verse like dc
vital sundial
wally clears the underground less then a nano second
vital sundial
no one is touching bro
wheat needle
Theres different types of erasure lol
safe marsh
What the fuck is ORV
unreal fulcrum
wally clears the underground less then a nano second
Well duh, except for Asriel who becomes a god
vital sundial
Well duh, except for Asriel who becomes a god
asriel is included in that
unreal fulcrum
Same thing applies for Chara
unreal fulcrum
asriel is included in that
How is Wally even gonna damage him
I thought that chair only gives knowledge
Only way to beat Asriel is by talk no jutsu
vital sundial
no
unreal fulcrum
Naruto is the only guy beating Asriel
vital sundial
the chair gives what the user desires iirc
wheat needle
Gang undertale scales to fucking nothing unless you glaze it like crazy
safe marsh
Ok now I gotta see who this Monika person is
wheat needle
Game scaling is bad but undertale scaling is actually abysmal
vital sundial
Gang undertale scales to fucking nothing unless you glaze it like crazy
you can only scale UT with statements if ur on about canon 😭
vital sundial
it lacks so much cosmology and 90% of the verse is wall level in durability
wheat needle
you can only scale UT with statements if ur on about canon 😭
Only way to get it past like 8-c is glaze that makes minecraft steve glaze look like nothing
vital sundial
Only way to get it past like 8-c is glaze that makes minecraft steve glaze look ...
if you take the statements about UT literal by aleast 5x
yea it scales somewhere
unreal fulcrum
Asriel Dreemurr: GOH
- All attacks dealt to him is automatically considered a Miss
- All attacks done to him is set to 0
- Infinite Attack and Defense
- Summons anybody from the Underground and use their ability
- Timeline Manipulation and Erasing
- Ability to Create A Seperate Dimension Where He Reigns Control
- Has a guarantee hit attack that bypasses all defense and leaves you at 0.0001 HP
safe marsh
BRO?!?!
wheat needle
if you take the statements about UT literal by aleast 5x
No you need so mu h more
unreal fulcrum
How is Wally Beating that
safe marsh
😭
unreal fulcrum
Nah Monika is genuinely insane. Also you never heard of this game before?
Weird
Doki Doki Literature Club, you NEVER heard of it?
safe marsh
She looks just like a human
wheat needle
**Asriel Dreemurr: GOH**
- All attacks dealt to him is automatically considered ...
High 1-A with the Entire Speed Force
wheat needle
How is ts even an argument
unreal fulcrum
High 1-A with the Entire Speed Force
So… how can Asriel loose
vital sundial
**Asriel Dreemurr: GOH**
- All attacks dealt to him is automatically considered ...
UT is like 2D-3D at best
most other verses scale to 5D
higher dimesionality would see undertale as fiction
wheat needle
Wally scales to high hyper
vital sundial
so asriel stats wouldnt matter
vital sundial
UT loses because of dimensionality and cosmology
unreal fulcrum
UT is like 2D-3D at best
most other verses scale to 5D
higher dimesionality woul...
That doesn’t make sense, when it a death battle Verse Equilization exists.
safe marsh
😭
wheat needle
Yeah stats are irrelevant when the other being exists 7 dimensions above you
unreal fulcrum
That’s like saying your character is only on paper
wheat needle
Verse equalization doesnt affect cosmology 💀
vital sundial
also im psure wally has bypasses resistances like that
vital sundial
Verse equalization doesnt affect cosmology 💀
and this
unreal fulcrum
also im psure wally has bypasses resistances like that
How-
Asriel can’t even be damaged
wheat needle
Asriel can’t even be damaged
In his own verse
unreal fulcrum
purely via his connections with the speedforce
So does he what, absorb him?
unreal fulcrum
In his own verse
No that’s his ability
Yeah but his infinite health doesn’t go down
wheat needle
No that’s his ability
That has no counters in his own verse
vital sundial
even vs battle wiki realise how bad of a verse UT is like, and the site is known for over glazing everyone
wheat needle
Wally is stronger than a fundamental force that exists beyond all of reality
This is like a collapsing multiverse vs singular atom level fight
safe marsh
What power lvl is this guy
unreal fulcrum
even vs battle wiki realise how bad of a verse UT is like, and the site is known...
Wrong one, that’s with only one soul absorbed. Click GOH- God of Hyperdeath
safe marsh
wheat needle
Likely High 8-C | At least 7-C, likely far higher | High 8-C, higher with LV | Low 2-C, possibly higher
This is all you need to know
To come to the conclusion that a character isnt worth scaling
unreal fulcrum
@vital sundial you done checking
vital sundial
yea even tho this is over glazed like crazy, wally is still beating this
by a landslide
💔
wheat needle
Scaling game characters is so ass
unreal fulcrum
yea even tho this is over glazed like crazy, wally is still beating this
Like can you explain how 😭 By punching or what?
unreal fulcrum
But
wheat needle
Like can you explain how 😭 By punching or what?
What is hard to understand about a character that scales above forces that exist beyond reality, beating someone whos 7 tiers below him even with turbo glaze
And like 40 tiers below if you dont do bullshit game scaling
spiral acorn
why do people want rimuru reworked
unreal fulcrum
What is hard to understand about a character that scales above forces that exist...
dude I’m not asking much, just explain how. By punching or absorbing or what
unreal fulcrum
why do people want rimuru reworked
Ssshh, we ain’t talking about Rimuru
spiral acorn
Ssshh, we ain’t talking about Rimuru
kisnt that the point of the thread
unreal fulcrum
kisnt that the point of the thread
It is the topic of this conversation
spiral acorn
wtf are yall talking about then
unreal fulcrum
wtf are yall talking about then
Uh… character scaling lmao
unreal fulcrum
We going back on topic?
NO
wheat needle
dude I’m not asking much, just explain how. By punching or absorbing or what
Speed Force Dump: After touching his opponent, he can send them into the Speed Force.
Speed Steal: By touching (or just being near) an opponent, he can steal all of their kinetic energy and momentum, adding them to his own. In addition to slowing the targets down, it also immobilizes them indefinitely, making them frozen like statues.
safe marsh
I prefer to never know
unreal fulcrum
Speed Force Dump: After touching his opponent, he can send them into the Speed F...
but how will he “kill” Asriel? To end the fight
unreal fulcrum
He can’t die
safe marsh
😭
unreal fulcrum
Assuming this is a death battle
spiral acorn
Uh… character scaling lmao
ew
vital sundial
dude I’m not asking much, just explain how. By punching or absorbing or what
wally is faster then the speed force
The speed force is probably one of the fastest things in DC, probably beyond immearsuable speed
asriel is not surviving getting hit with the force that is faster then the speed force
immearusable > infinite
unreal fulcrum
Asriel is immune to erasure, and he has control over the timeline of his life so going back to the past to kill him wouldnt work
spiral acorn
ewwwww its some powerscalerss
unreal fulcrum
asriel is not surviving getting hit with the force that is faster then the speed...
That’s the thing, his ability turns all attack into a Miss
Hmm
But tje player can’t even erase the file when fighting Asriel
Canonically
vital sundial
That’s the thing, his ability turns all attack into a Miss
his ability not is beyond immearusable+ speeds
wheat needle
I cant find a single type of resistance or immunity to existence erasure for asriel
unreal fulcrum
his ability not is beyond immearusable+ speeds
Does that suppose to just bypass his ability to turn all attacks into a miss
LMAO
vital sundial
Does that suppose to just bypass his ability to turn all attacks into a miss
if your faster, most of your abilites arent gonna work
its like infinity with gojo
unreal fulcrum
I cant find a single type of resistance or immunity to existence erasure for asr...
He can’t be erased through the file, which also means immunity to higher dimension erasure
wheat needle
He can’t be erased through the file, which also means immunity to higher dimensi...
No it doesnt
That is just turbo fucking glaze
unreal fulcrum
No it is but it’s funny to thing one would go that far 😭
wheat needle
This is more glaze than steve or robloxian have recieved combined
unreal fulcrum
No it doesnt
That’s literally what happened in the game
unreal fulcrum
You tried erasing the file of Omega Flowey to “reset” but he prevents it
wheat needle
That is NOT immunity to all kinds of existence erasure 💀
unreal fulcrum
That is NOT immunity to all kinds of existence erasure 💀
I never said immunity to all kinds, I just said he can’t be erased througu Haki or whatever speed force you said
True,
unreal fulcrum
Haki and speed force??
No no I was saying examples of erasure abilities
OH HAKAI
bwahahaa
vital sundial
i mean
unreal fulcrum
Murphy law wins
vital sundial
💔
unreal fulcrum
I mean his ability will guarantee injure the person affected by it
Same said to Wonder Of U
Well yeah I don’t think anyone is beating that
Other than Frisk?
Eh I thought Frisk was immune
vital sundial
Other than Frisk?
wheat needle
An outerversal character could legit just delete the concept of "determination" or "immunity" or "resistance"
unreal fulcrum
Sans, Asriel is aware of narrative manipulation but isn’t immune
unreal fulcrum
An outerversal character could legit just delete the concept of "determination" ...
What’s the max?
Like what’s the highest versal
wheat needle
Boundless ig
unreal fulcrum
Hm
Yeah no character in mind I have goes to boundless
WAIT
ANNOYING DOG
no, he’s bounded by creator limitations. Dude walked off screen
Well actually no
Annoying Dog appeared as Toby Fox for multiple podcasts and interviews
So he can exist outside of the game
wheat needle
Existing outside the game isnt boundless
unreal fulcrum
Existing outside the game isnt boundless
What about existing IRL
vital sundial
existing outside the game is just a fourth wall feat no
wheat needle
existing outside the game is just a fourth wall feat no
Yeah
unreal fulcrum
Yeah true…
wheat needle
That scales you 1 tier higher than your cosmology
If you wanna take it at face value
wheat needle
Thats also still not boundless
unreal fulcrum
Anyone of y'all wanna play this
wheat needle
Thats also still not boundless
unreal fulcrum
I admit defeat in the debate lmao
wheat needle
A creator being would scale to the same tier or slightly higher than the cosmology of their creation
thick elbow
Shoutouts to rimuru being part of the current traitless tourney strat
I need a kaguya man
😓
wheat glacier
mid unit, take him out of your strat
thick elbow
Lemme run your acc traitless I have something I wanna try ngl
wheat needle
Surely shell be worth more than 2 rolls
wheat glacier
Surely shell be worth more than 2 rolls
2 half eaten gogetas
wheat needle
Lemme run your acc traitless I have something I wanna try ngl
I havent run tourneys since the heian era
weak bear
Shoutouts to rimuru being part of the current traitless tourney strat
There’s a Strat better than rimuru 😉