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#Some stuff you devs can learn from Als (2 Week player)
molten obsidian
quick garden
if they aint adding auto upgrade on fucking console im on als fulltime
molten obsidian
yh fuck that shit nobody is doing that much effort to solo a stage
molten obsidian
if they aint adding auto upgrade on fucking console im on als fulltime
fair tbh
quick garden
well yeah been a good warm up for the morning for me imma go fuck around cya
molten obsidian
well yeah been a good warm up for the morning for me imma go fuck around cya
ait peace 🫡
dusk cedar
got the 200 rr from sitting in time chamber, didn't get a single mythic trait, only blitz twice....
havent played since
maybe a hot take but I think VSJW is unhealthy for the game
the main reason being it feels like you NEED him for nearly everything new. Ovb you don't but when he makes stuff 100% easier it really feels like you do.
molten obsidian
oh shit forgot abt afk chamber
molten obsidian
maybe a hot take but I think VSJW is unhealthy for the game
the main reason bein...
its not a fucking hot take its a fact
dusk cedar
oh shit forgot abt afk chamber
Yeah I got bored of portal grinding so I just sit in time chamber for currency
shy grove
its not a fucking hot take its a fact
kind of is a hot take since if you dont have monarch than he is just a meta unit
ruby karma
maybe a hot take but I think VSJW is unhealthy for the game
the main reason bein...
Sadly they went back on the idea of not balancing the game around monarch or vanguard units
I remember in their old qna they said that so the game didn't become like AA or something of the sort
upbeat oyster
They balanced a single stage around having a full party with end-game units that you could possibly do without monarchs?
placid torrent
They balanced a single stage around having a full party with end-game units that...
Well the new portals are kinda approaching that monarch only territory
molten obsidian
They balanced a single stage around having a full party with end-game units that...
i mean tbh my problem is the hp scaling obviously everyone is gonna do namek and nothing else
quick garden
i mean tbh my problem is the hp scaling obviously everyone is gonna do namek and...
same icl like why the fuck does the hp scale according to the maps
they is no reason someone would do a harder map then an easier one
molten obsidian
well yeah obv
quick garden
also why were u bothered to grind for christmas and not this one?
molten obsidian
cuz as a console player its not worth it its so monotonus
while mfs on pc basically got access to mecros / auto leech
what the fuck does console have?
storm rivet
also why were u bothered to grind for christmas and not this one?
have u seen post nerf gogeta🙁💔💔
molten obsidian
nothing no shit and what was the avr for kaguya again?
quick garden
like 3 mill currency
upbeat oyster
have u seen post nerf gogeta🙁💔💔
When did he get nerfed
quick garden
have u seen post nerf gogeta🙁💔💔
those were from some dumbasses
storm rivet
When did he get nerfed
i mean everytime i see someone use him, his dmg is always lower than before (monarch too)
quick garden
got downvoted asap
molten obsidian
like 3 mill currency
and how many time does a console player got to do that shit to get that amount?
storm rivet
and how many time does a console player got to do that shit to get that amount?
3000 tikes
upbeat oyster
i mean everytime i see someone use him, his dmg is always lower than before (mon...
He literally hasn’t been touched
quick garden
if u got 100% boost btw
molten obsidian
like 1000 times?
one avr takes like abt 8 mins right?
storm rivet
lets be generous and say 7
placid torrent
have u seen post nerf gogeta🙁💔💔
???
quick garden
one avr takes like abt 8 mins right?
yeah actually lets be generous and say 7 days
storm rivet
Theres no gogeta nerf
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
molten obsidian
yeah actually lets be generous and say 7 days
avr player is playing this game estimated 4 hours a day and its gonna take u about 4 days and 3 quaters to get kaguya
placid torrent
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
What is that supposed to mean even
storm rivet
What is that supposed to mean even
sigh
placid torrent
avr player is playing this game estimated 4 hours a day and its gonna take u abo...
Shes here for 3 months
storm rivet
child
placid torrent
Being older than me is not a flex youre a skeleton at this point
Ah avatar reference
I need to watch that at some point
storm rivet
sym
placid torrent
Tf
quick garden
avr player is playing this game estimated 4 hours a day and its gonna take u abo...
gonna be abt 28 days and 2 hours
placid torrent
placid torrent
gonna be abt 28 days and 2 hours
What is this "i made it the fuck up" math gang
molten obsidian
Shes here for 3 months
3 months? where was this said
placid torrent
Thats how long theyre supposed to last
Gogeta was there for too long
Its 2 minimum. I think 5 days of portals over 60 days is okay
storm rivet
what about life outside av
placid torrent
Just
Afk
Or you could just sit in afk chamber if you wanted the rates even half bad
quick garden
What is this "i made it the fuck up" math gang
4.75 × 24 = 114
114 ÷ 4 = 28.5
quick garden
Or you could just sit in afk chamber if you wanted the rates even half bad
well welcome to console life where they say fuck u to that solution
placid torrent
4.75 × 24 = 114
114 ÷ 4 = 28.5
Its 4.6 days without considering the chests
quick garden
yeah regardlessly its still gonna take u prob around that range
placid torrent
well welcome to console life where they say fuck u to that solution
Ive said this once already, this is not a location im staying at
These games scale to magnos
I would not play als if i couldnt just magno the 30 stages for pity
molten obsidian
4.75 × 24 = 114
114 ÷ 4 = 28.5
and when u see mfs on pc mecroing that shit frustating fr
placid torrent
Thats just never gonna change tho lol
quick garden
I would not play als if i couldnt just magno the 30 stages for pity
well yeah so wouldnt i buyt auto upr redeems it for me
placid torrent
Also idk why but people really dont like auto upgrade suggestions
quick garden
and when u see mfs on pc mecroing that shit frustating fr
obv what the fuck is that
placid torrent
Like they really hate those
quick garden
its this motherfuckers who are mecroing the game that says dont add "auto upgrade"
placid torrent
Its not even just the devs, the suggestions get ratiod
Nobody even uses auto upg or unit manager for magnos thats the funny part
molten obsidian
its this motherfuckers who are mecroing the game that says dont add "auto upgrad...
i mean yeah cuz they didnt even fuck grind for it manually what do they know about grinding the game?
quick garden
Nobody even uses auto upg or unit manager for magnos thats the funny part
exactly
placid torrent
Why would i do smth manually like 50 times when i could do it while sleeping
Thats just smth thats never gonna change
quick garden
and u also cant even trigger abillities within the ui
quick garden
i mean yeah cuz they didnt even fuck grind for it manually what do they know abo...
the thing im wondering is they are not the fucking target audience of this feature why interfere?
molten obsidian
well idfk but imma keep it a buck i aint grinding this shitty game till auto upr comes
molten obsidian
well yeah fuck those developers hopefully astd X has this shit
placid torrent
Astd x is NOT saving the atd society
quick garden
well yeah fuck those developers hopefully astd X has this shit
i dont think astd og even had auto upgrade
molten obsidian
i dont think astd og even had auto upgrade
well atleast 2x/3x speed or sum
quick garden
Astd x is NOT saving the atd society
i mean trust me ill prob grind that over what vanguards has to offer
molten obsidian
Its a 6 year or smth old game
well yh thats the grandfather of td games
placid torrent
2x/3x is just a bandaid fix to shit game design
quick garden
i mean the problem with 2x/3x for me is testing is js gonna be done in 2x/3x speed so it wont do much to affect the actual time
molten obsidian
i mean the problem with 2x/3x for me is testing is js gonna be done in 2x/3x spe...
well it does give the player the illusion of the grind is actually faster/easier idk how to explain it
quick garden
well yeah it kind of does
placid torrent
As i said
Its a bandaid rix
It wouldve been better to just make the stages faster
upbeat oyster
Auto upgrade is way less likely to come than 2x is
quick garden
i mean yh i do agree how tf do u even end up in the situation got past testing etc stages are taking 40 mins
languid yew
2x/3x is just a bandaid fix to shit game design
Literally this
molten obsidian
Auto upgrade is way less likely to come than 2x is
well not suprised this dumbasses dont even play their own game
placid torrent
Auto upgrade is way less likely to come than 2x is
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I lowkey dont understand that ima be real i dont think auto upg or unit manager ever gets used in afking
languid yew
I’d rather have all stages completed in 5-6 minutes
placid torrent
well not suprised this dumbasses dont even play their own game
Doesnt brandon have like 19 minutes of playtime
molten obsidian
i mean yh i do agree how tf do u even end up in the situation got past testing e...
i mean like i said it still give the player some sort of false sense of illusion
placid torrent
Idk if bray plays either
quick garden
Auto upgrade is way less likely to come than 2x is
What the fuck.Yup the upper echoleon of av are dumb as shit
upbeat oyster
well not suprised this dumbasses dont even play their own game
It’s not even just a dev decision though
placid torrent
Doesnt brandon have like 19 minutes of playtime
"As a fellow player i understand your concerns! 🤓 "
upbeat oyster
People in the team do play the game and will never want auto upgrade added
molten obsidian
Doesnt brandon have like 19 minutes of playtime
i mean brandon atleast adds some features that makes it look like he actually plays it
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"As a fellow player i understand your concerns! 🤓 "
wave 1 being harder than wave 15 is stupid
placid torrent
i mean brandon atleast adds some features that makes it look like he actually pl...
No he doesnt
Be real
molten obsidian
People in the team do play the game and will never want auto upgrade added
cuz they are mecroing that shit 100%
placid torrent
He just does shit. The best features they add are stuff they copy
upbeat oyster
No lmao
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i mean brandon atleast adds some features that makes it look like he actually pl...
he just adds random bs other games added
upbeat oyster
Myself included, I think auto upgrade is a boring and stupid feature
placid torrent
Myself included, I think auto upgrade is a boring and stupid feature
Is upgrading farms not boring tho
quick garden
placid torrent
I dont even csre about it
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we need auto play
placid torrent
But auto upg is not used in afking
molten obsidian
No he doesnt
well what feature does als lack tbh
cuz for me the als devs actually feel like the play their game compared too here
placid torrent
Like at all
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But auto upg is not used in afking
they are used
placid torrent
well what feature does als lack tbh
cuz for me the als devs actually feel like t...
Thats a lie gang be real
upbeat oyster
Is upgrading farms not boring tho
Not really tbh
placid torrent
It took them 500 years to add smooth replay and smooth next
quick garden
Myself included, I think auto upgrade is a boring and stupid feature
do u even play this game manually?
upbeat oyster
Yes lmao
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well what feature does als lack tbh
cuz for me the als devs actually feel like t...
av add something
als add it but 100x worse
molten obsidian
Thats a lie gang be real
what does als lack
upbeat oyster
I have literally never once touched a mango
molten obsidian
in terms of qol
upbeat oyster
I have only ever played manually
placid torrent
what does als lack
They lacked smooth replay upto 4 days ago
quick garden
ts has to be unbelievable
placid torrent
They dont have an ability menu iirc
Not like it matters half the abilities bray comes up with are stupid as shit these days
quick garden
I have only ever played manually
so ur saying u play manually and think auto upgrade is a boring dumb feature?
placid torrent
The fucking "form 1 for 30 seconds, form 2 for 30 seconds" passives are so annoying
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The fucking "form 1 for 30 seconds, form 2 for 30 seconds" passives are so annoy...
makima passive is a crime against humanity
placid torrent
I was making fun of av for adding 50 meter units in 1 upd but holy als is dragging that shit
quick garden
yup u must be getting paid to play this game
placid torrent
Theyve given a meter to like fucking everything since the black clover upd
For no reason to
upbeat oyster
Dawg it has nothing to do with being a tester 
I just don’t like auto upgrade as a feature regardless
placid torrent
Now their bread and butter is these stupid ass -50% damage -60% spa yada yada bs
molten obsidian
They lacked smooth replay upto 4 days ago
well im tired as shit cba to argue so u win for now
quick garden
oh u gonna get fired if u dont play the ggame enough huh?
upbeat oyster
Idk why your conclusion jumped to “yeah ur getting paid to play and say that”
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auto upg only for farms atleast
quick garden
cuz the grind is boring as shit
quick garden
any mobile/console player i know is gonna say this shit need auto upgrade
placid torrent
But i cant say maxing farms is the most exhilarating gameplay
upbeat oyster
It’s a TD
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any mobile/console player i know is gonna say this shit need auto upgrade
more than that
upbeat oyster
There is no exhilarating gameplay
placid torrent
I guess
upbeat oyster
molten obsidian
any mobile/console player i know is gonna say this shit need auto upgrade
like how tf do ppl manage to actually play ts manually for 24 hours?
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like how tf do ppl manage to actually play ts manually for 24 hours?
mobile can't use 🥭
consoles can't use it aswell
pc players have a lot of benefits
quick garden
like how tf do ppl manage to actually play ts manually for 24 hours?
nobody deos except when it comes to grinding shit like 27 fucking days js for the avr needed for kaguya is crazy work
upbeat oyster
oh u gonna get fired if u dont play the ggame enough huh?
Also no, that’s literally not a thing. I could legitimately stop playing the main game entirely if I really wanted to
molten obsidian
mobile can't use 🥭
consoles can't use it aswell
pc players have a lot of benef...
Console absolutely fucking cant they dont even got an autoclicker?
quick garden
Also no, that’s literally not a thing. I could legitimately stop playing the mai...
and still have tester? crazy work
quick garden
Console absolutely fucking cant they dont even got an autoclicker?
oh yh that reminds me
placid torrent
and still have tester? crazy work
Testers have a seperate server to test on
quick garden
do u even use an autoclicker or its js manual?
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you can't scroll to see your enemy units in pvp on mobile
placid torrent
I really cant relate with mobile or console players ngl but it does not seem fun to play on those
quick garden
which ever fucking developer whos denying this shit needa pull up right right now could beat him rq
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I really cant relate with mobile or console players ngl but it does not seem fun...
we don't want to but we are forced
placid torrent
Not like id play roblox on either of those id just quit but if someone wants to it must be a pain
molten obsidian
which ever fucking developer whos denying this shit needa pull up right right no...
😢 its never that deep bro
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mobile and console experience is a nightmare
upbeat oyster
and still have tester? crazy work
Because it’s not about playing main game. If I find bugs in test and shit and report them, that’s part of the whole point of being tester
I don’t need to play main game, but it definitely helps at least
molten obsidian
at pc ur on easy mode and console/mobile turns that shit into nightmare difficulty
upbeat oyster
which ever fucking developer whos denying this shit needa pull up right right no...
Also gang it is NOT that serious 💀
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why the fuck rares,epic and legendary units show on pvp ban part
placid torrent
why the fuck rares,epic and legendary units show on pvp ban part
Well some epics and legendaries are semi useful ig
quick garden
😢 its never that deep bro
i mean it is that deep until we get Astd X and im dont play this crappy game for the enxt 6 months
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mobile can't scroll to see the other units so we can't see the actual good units from the enemy
placid torrent
Rares kinda help yhwach
Idrk if hes even used
Never played pvp past baiken quest
quick garden
Because it’s not about playing main game. If I find bugs in test and shit and re...
well that sounds like an easy ass job icl
placid torrent
Which was just 10 games of people leaving after they see the opponent has a good amount of monarchs
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Well some epics and legendaries are semi useful ig
is a stupid strat abused by people
mobile stand no chance against it
quick garden
Also gang it is NOT that serious 💀
yeah its not gonna be serious when astd X comes out bro trust me
languid yew
well that sounds like an easy ass job icl
It's harder than you think
quick garden
its probe easier then grinding this game
molten obsidian
cant debate that one
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yea
quick garden
like also why the fuck does cids stage have a 150 pity
quick garden
that shits gonn take like 12 mins each
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the pity should be for the birb
quick garden
That’s act 1
which prob majority of players are gonna do
upbeat oyster
Act 2 is 50 because it’s 3%
languid yew
can we agree that Birbs drop rate is too low
quick garden
at the cost its hard as shit
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50 pity for the most annoying stage in the game is crazy
molten obsidian
that shits gonn take like 12 mins each
nah lets be generous and say 10 mins
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upbeat oyster
It’s 1.5x average odds
quick garden
nah lets be generous and say 10 mins
abt 1500 mins close to vsjws 1690 mins and he aint even like that
quick garden
It’s 1.5x average odds
its about 1.5x odds like wdym hp multipler or sum?
languid yew
July 5th
quick garden
wait also when astd x releasing?
languid yew
honestly don't set your expectations high for ASTDx
molten obsidian
goddamn july 5th gonna be a day of fire works then
upbeat oyster
its about 1.5x odds like wdym hp multipler or sum?
No, the pity count
molten obsidian
honestly don't set your expectations high for ASTDx
after what av has served to me on a silver platter hell nah
im having my expectations high asf
upbeat oyster
Like a 1% drop is average one in a hundred runs. 1.5x that is 150 runs.
languid yew
im having my expectations high asf
get ready to be disappointed
quick garden
after what av has served to me on a silver platter hell nah
dawg lets be honest even from the trailer which chars were outstanding?
upbeat oyster
3% is 1 in 33, 1.5x that is about 50
quick garden
Like a 1% drop is average one in a hundred runs. 1.5x that is 150 runs.
oh so thats how yall decide pity
hmmmmm
upbeat oyster
Yeah, that’s kinda the point of a pity mechanic
molten obsidian
dawg lets be honest even from the trailer which chars were outstanding?
prob like gojo ichigo and fate dude
upbeat oyster
That’s also why they want to veer away from the 0.75% drops
quick garden
damn the av devs actually dont got a bad system\
molten obsidian
get ready to be disappointed
well nuh uh
no way u gonna be hating before the game even released
quick garden
prob like gojo ichigo and fate dude
i would also say mob kokoushibo and igris
rest were like avr asf
upbeat oyster
I mean tbh the trailer wasn’t much of anything super impressive
quick garden
also the maps
languid yew
ASTDx looks fine... I guess?
molten obsidian
except that destroyed one
like the one with the sign down those stuff?
quick garden
like the one with the sign down those stuff?
this one
molten obsidian
also which anime is that from?
molten obsidian
how many views did the trailer get?
quick garden
bout 350k ish
molten obsidian
then maybe 120k
it will most likely surpass avs playercount
but als i think thats pushing limits
molten obsidian
fair icl
quick garden
do u think av will ever surpass als?
molten obsidian
most likely not aslong if av doesent do much to change the "experience"
quick garden
wbt astd X?
languid yew
do u think av will ever surpass als?
If they can decrown AA, they can decrown ALS if they lock in
molten obsidian
wbt astd X?
overtime maybe but prob not
its js released so they wint have much content
quick garden
If they can decrown AA, they can decrown ALS if they lock in
yh they put some washed up devs back into retirement
if they used peak aa devs i wonder where av would be
molten obsidian
wdym peak aa devs?
languid yew
AA got too cocky
quick garden
the devs team changed like 2 upds before they stopped doing biweekly
and switched to tri weekly to monthly
molten obsidian
AA got too cocky
not suprised they dominated at an error where they was no competition in td
and they were prob not familiar with this "new environment"
pine solar
molten obsidian
the devs team changed like 2 upds before they stopped doing biweekly
wiat fr?
languid yew
and they were prob not familiar with this "new environment"
Didn't they put out a statement claiming they knew how the environment was like back in December?
molten obsidian
hmmm what a mysterious return
quick garden
Didn't they put out a statement claiming they knew how the environment was like ...
they were prob capping their asses off
cuz that christmas update didnt even feel like they were did t for an year
felt like the game a month before made it and released it
molten obsidian
nah istg it was the upd they was planning to drop before shut down
quick garden
it was
placid torrent
They didnt work on it for an year biggest lie ever
For their sake i pray it was a lie
More likely than not they just saw av making a lot of money and decide to make some too
quick garden
i mean yeah if they said in the announcements "um hey guys we went broke and instead of working on this upd for an year we came a month before to polish a few things before we re release" GG'S
molten obsidian
i mean yeah if they said in the announcements "um hey guys we went broke and ins...
well general will have to be locked fir maybe 3 weeks
languid yew
Just saw the description for ASTDx, apparently there's 60 characters on release
quick garden
im chill with that if it aint 50 rares
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Just saw the description for ASTDx, apparently there's 60 characters on release
45 rares,3 epic and 2 legendaries
🔥
molten obsidian
im chill with that if it aint 50 rares
im gonna crash the fuck out if that shit happens
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Just saw the description for ASTDx, apparently there's 60 characters on release
i can't be the only one who didn't got hyped at all with astd: x trailer
quick garden
fr
placid torrent
Yea i cant say i care much for the game
quick garden
i mean it depends on the experience they offer if they treating their players like shit like in av i wont bother
languid yew
it realistically gonna be 15 3 stars, 15 4 stars, and the rest being 5 stars
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wait
quick garden
we have stages 150 pity that takes 10 mins each no auto upgrade fuck u icl
languid yew
FUCK that could be a thing in ASTDx
upbeat oyster
Auto upgrade still isn’t happening 
molten obsidian
we have stages 150 pity that takes 10 mins each no auto upgrade fuck u icl
🗣️
quick garden
Auto upgrade still isn’t happening <:pepeLmao:684726305614594070>
nah bro i swear u tell a dev to pull up here ill make him change his mind in a min max
molten obsidian
bro ur not that guy
upbeat oyster
He's not going to lol
molten obsidian
dawg doesent even want auto upgrade himself
upbeat oyster
aw hell nah, blaze pullin up
quick garden
He's not going to lol
what a shame bro doesent want to catch some smoke 😤
who tf is blaze
molten obsidian
blaze imperium?
quick garden
yeah who tf is that
hardy sandal
als grind is more bearable due to features like auto upgrade 2x speed and pity
We are not adding 2x speed, and we're not adding auto upgrade. Why would we make features to make the game less innovative? You directly contradict yourself here:
. PC players have access to tools like AHK scripts and macros giving them a major advantage.
We have never, and will never make the game intended for afk / macro usage. We have progressively made it substantially harder to do so for that very reason.
molten obsidian
a dev i think
quick garden
YIPEE KAIYOUUU
upbeat oyster
Like I said, 2x is the only thing that I could see being added way in the future but
placid torrent
> als grind is more bearable due to features like auto upgrade 2x speed and pity...
You really havent made it harder to ahk is the thing, youve just made tinytask sorta irrelevant
languid yew
> als grind is more bearable due to features like auto upgrade 2x speed and pity...
"PC players have access to tools like AHK scripts and 🥭s giving them a major advantage."
typical console/mobile player behavior
placid torrent
The only stage impossible to ahk is like ex 4 probably
upbeat oyster
"PC players have access to tools like AHK scripts and 🥭s giving them a major ad...
Blaze was just quoting what the guy said
languid yew
Blaze was just quoting what the guy said <:Sob4k:1366752039912214558>
yeah ik
hardy sandal
It's not even a debate, "I can't macro but i can in ALS so add macroing back!!!" like what? we will never intentionally encourage brainless activity because then nothing we innovate or grind towards will be appreciated
languid yew
Why did Roblox have to be on console/mobile again
hardy sandal
and comparing player counts to another game also immediately invalidates this entire thread, it's not a competition and it never has been.
molten obsidian
> als grind is more bearable due to features like auto upgrade 2x speed and pity...
languid yew
and comparing player counts to another game also immediately invalidates this en...
That's all what brainrotted gen alpha players do, compare CCUs
quick garden
and comparing player counts to another game also immediately invalidates this en...
well the post is about why als does got more players and does some how give valid reasons which i cant say i agree with all
hardy sandal
als gets more players because its an entirely different community with entirely different preferences and almost no overlap
why do you think we dont drop players nor do they whenever theres updates
upper mortar
> als grind is more bearable due to features like auto upgrade 2x speed and pity...
off topic but is the tourney change getting reverted?
upbeat oyster
i was gonna say something but I really shouldn't be mean 
languid yew
why do you think we dont drop players nor do they whenever theres updates
Like the most y'all lost in CCU when ALS dropped their update was like... 6-7K players?
hardy sandal
"devs dont play the game" like get out of here rofl
placid torrent
I do think als playercounts are slightly inflated rn lol theres definitely botting going on. Last upd made sense, this upd had no right to go to 100k ccu. It was worse than their last in every wag possible and had less hype too.
quick garden
> als grind is more bearable due to features like auto upgrade 2x speed and pity...
the thing with auto upgrade when console players see mfs on pc who can mecro and turn like a 27 days grind it 5 days with mecros and console cant do shit abt that so atleast add sth to make it somewhat fair
upbeat oyster
(keep in mind that Blaze cannot spawn things in for himself)
molten obsidian
"devs dont play the game" like get out of here rofl
wtf u could have given that stuff to urself show the hours u played the game?
languid yew
I do think als playercounts are slightly inflated rn lol theres definitely botti...
Pretty sure ppl gave a fuck more about Dante and Vergil being added over Tanjiro 
placid torrent
"devs dont play the game" like get out of here rofl
Monarch julias comp ash 🔥 🔥
molten obsidian
(keep in mind that Blaze cannot spawn things in for himself)
oh he cant?
upbeat oyster
No
molten obsidian
wbt modify chances?
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oh he cant?
we will never known
placid torrent
Pretty sure ppl gave a fuck more about Dante and Vergil being added over Tanjiro...
I wouldve liked this als upd but they fucking put nero's theme over dante in the trailer
upbeat oyster
You literally can't do that
wintry sage
"devs dont play the game" like get out of here rofl
Blud pulled out the monarch spread lmao
languid yew
I wouldve liked this als upd but they fucking put nero's theme over dante in the...
Wait there was a trailer?
upbeat oyster
There's also only a select few people that have the power to spawn stuff in game, being the actual owners iirc
hardy sandal
the only people with permissions in game are Kazi, Yuruzuu, Pyseph and Lonegladiator
placid torrent
Wait there was a trailer?
Yea shit sucked ass
Also they just called nero angelo "devil trigger"
upbeat oyster
Might be able to buy a lot of rrs, but the units have to be earned still
molten obsidian
the only people with permissions in game are Kazi, Yuruzuu, Pyseph and Lonegladi...
also pls tell me u do mecro the grind
languid yew
Also they just called nero angelo "devil trigger"
Not surprised
placid torrent
Yeah shit pissed me off cant lie
quick garden
Yea shit sucked ass
nah als trailer wasnt bad some stuff did stand out
quick garden
also pls tell me u do mecro the grind
he prob does where is the point in denying auto upgrade?
languid yew
biggest red flag was they used the "anime" designs over the DMC5 or DMC3 ones
placid torrent
That too
placid torrent
I didnt bother watching the dmc anime since i heard very mixed at best things about it
All i saw was dante getting beat up by fodder
molten obsidian
Because it's a boring and lazy feature
u talking about autoh hotekeys or mecroing?
placid torrent
upbeat oyster
No, auto upgrade
languid yew
it wasn't even an anime it was a western production iirc
upbeat oyster
I've only ever played manually and I dislike the idea of it
languid yew
Reborn had auto upgrade and look how that game turned out
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pc player for sure
mobile and console players need it
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Reborn had auto upgrade and look how that game turned out
auto upg didn't do shit
it was the ddd upd
quick garden
als gets more players because its an entirely different community with entirely ...
well yeah target audience does matter but they are obv stuff u can do to still get more players than als other than yeah
languid yew
it was the ddd upd
I thought it was the One Piece and Dragon Ball updates but go on
placid torrent
Reborn had auto upgrade and look how that game turned out
It was NOT because of auto upg it was because do big was working on the game ps
molten obsidian
No, auto upgrade
this is rage bait?
placid torrent
Plus everything past the black clover upd on reborn kinda sucked
languid yew
I find it hilarious just how many ppl were gassing up Reborn on release
upbeat oyster
this is rage bait?
No?
placid torrent
I find it hilarious just how many ppl were gassing up Reborn on release
It was decent on release
molten obsidian
well yeah target audience does matter but they are obv stuff u can do to still g...
well no point in trying to convince him
hes deluded himself into thiking auto upr is alr a bad feature
its like trynna convince a cop robbery is legal
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dandandan upd will always kill a game
placid torrent
Quality was solid, gameplay was fine. Auto upg was new qol and was cool to play around with
The dbs upd was chill
Everything after that sucked
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Quality was solid, gameplay was fine. Auto upg was new qol and was cool to play ...
until the bad updates attack
upbeat oyster
What the fuck are you on about now
quick garden
wont be suprised if he plays 10 mins a day then hos poff
upbeat oyster
Because I don't mind it?
languid yew
then how can u even bare grinding this boring ass shit?
bc ppl like playing tower defense games
upbeat oyster
I don't sell my soul to grinding
quick garden
well no point in trying to convince him
hes deluded himself into thiking auto u...
i mean fair
upbeat oyster
I decide how much I wanna do at once
molten obsidian
well yeah target audience does matter but they are obv stuff u can do to still g...
i just have a feeling are u trying to reference genshin and wuthering waves?
upbeat oyster
And actually upgrading the towers keeps me somewhat invested in the game instead of just placing things and then tabbing out and forgetting I'm even in a game because I didn't have to do shit
placid torrent
That is semi true
Als manual play is just "hold wave 1 and turn auto upg on"
Its less tedious but its not any better
upbeat oyster
I just do not enjoy the idea of auto upgrade
quick garden
And actually upgrading the towers keeps me somewhat invested in the game instead...
well doing it repetitvely gets boring asf and what if u need to go to the bathroom or do sth u basically cant otherwise ur prob cant lose u have to play it all the time
quick garden
Als manual play is just "hold wave 1 and turn auto upg on"
well prob a balance problem to me if the stage can js be beaten by auto upgrade
upbeat oyster
well doing it repetitvely gets boring asf and what if u need to go to the bathro...
So you either tell your teammates that you're going to brb or you just... Stop playing for a bit while you're in a rewards screen?
Like it's not that deep
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well prob a balance problem to me if the stage can js be beaten by auto upgrade
and that only wave 1 matters
after it is easy as hell
placid torrent
well prob a balance problem to me if the stage can js be beaten by auto upgrade
Thats kinda how als is
quick garden
So you either tell your teammates that you're going to brb or you just... Stop p...
what if u dont got teammates? dont forget console players cant join ps so getting teammates are not that easy and what if its a long ass game mode like dungeons and something urgent u need to do?.
Mobile and console can js get a fucking auto clicker and do wtv they want or js mecro
upbeat oyster
Again
placid torrent
If the element has a good starter every stage is mad easy
upbeat oyster
You can just pause for a bit when you finish a stage
quick garden
i just have a feeling are u trying to reference genshin and wuthering waves?
well yeah sharp eye how tf did u know?
upbeat oyster
The world will not come to an end because your grind had to pause for a little bit
quick garden
like i said what if its something urgent? and u would lose the stage some dude whos on pc/mobile js get an autoclicker and do what they need to do and come back wbt console?
hardy sandal
And actually upgrading the towers keeps me somewhat invested in the game instead...
Thats the point
molten obsidian
well yeah sharp eye how tf did u know?
well u got my spider senses tingling 🙂
hardy sandal
Adding auto upgrade removes any attention whatsoever you have to give the game
upbeat oyster
Okay, so you lose a stage because you had to get up for something urgent
Oh no
The absolute horror
quick garden
yeah thats wasted time ur not ever gonna get back but pc/mobile players can maximize their time wbt console?
languid yew
Thats the point
Unrelated, but are there plans to change Rem & Ram and Gilgamesh's spring cosmetics?
upbeat oyster
Again
quick garden
Adding auto upgrade removes any attention whatsoever you have to give the game
well how abt make it that u cant absolutely 100% solo the stage with auto upgrade?
upbeat oyster
it aint that deep
upbeat oyster
well how abt make it that u cant absolutely 100% solo the stage with auto upgrad...
That's not how that works
quick garden
well pretty is for someone who only got 4 hours a day to play lol
slate quail
well how abt make it that u cant absolutely 100% solo the stage with auto upgrad...
Even if u try 95% of stage will be beat with auto upgrade
hardy sandal
well how abt make it that u cant absolutely 100% solo the stage with auto upgrad...
that is just a stupid misdirect from the key issue and wouldnt work at all
molten obsidian
well how abt make it that u cant absolutely 100% solo the stage with auto upgrad...
well how do u plan on doing that tbh
just asking lol
quick garden
hmmm didnt think that much tbh
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well how do u plan on doing that tbh
just asking lol
make it buggy and doesn't work half the time
quick garden
lemme actually think lol
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How about doesn't work all the time
av devs are expert on that department
quick garden
well how do u plan on doing that tbh
just asking lol
tbh best i could think of is limiting the amount of units u can auto upgrade?
molten obsidian
tbh best i could think of is limiting the amount of units u can auto upgrade?
i mean even tho someone could js stop auto upr at a point etc
but i do suggest u give up tbh
its there game they decide what shits coming what doesent
dont like the way they deal with stuff create ur own game so u dont gotta deal with that bs
quick garden
i mean yeah but the fact pc players got access tot his tools while mobile and console dont is fair? the fact mfs on pc have to break discord tos to make the grind bearable aint a problem? bs
slate quail
tbh best i could think of is limiting the amount of units u can auto upgrade?
Mid idea
molten obsidian
i mean yeah but the fact pc players got access tot his tools while mobile and co...
what tos?
languid yew
i mean yeah but the fact pc players got access tot his tools while mobile and co...
Yeah, thats called being on PC
quick garden
what tos?
u cant distribute mecro files on discord
they literally got the abillity to find work arounds to make the game grindable
while console u can throw that shit out of the window
molten obsidian
well again give up ...
well i dont agree with anythign this mfs are saying
but its there game
slate quail
while console u can throw that shit out of the window
0.0002% player are console player anyways
molten obsidian
i cant do shit if they dont fucking want it
languid yew
0.0002% player are console player anyways
pretty sure the majority plays on PC
slate quail
Yeah more than 95% for sure
quick garden
0.0002% player are console player anyways
so we should just throw the minority out because they couldnt afford a pc? sounds reasonable
quick garden
i cant do shit if they dont fucking want it
but what do they see bad in it?
molten obsidian
"Removes any attention" part blaze said or wtv
slate quail
Its roblox dawg , some game run on pc and cant run on console or phone , its a gacha game , when u play console u aint playing 10 hours straight on roblox same on mobile since 90% of mobile would burn on AV after 1 hours , just accept that if u play AV other than PC and that u dont use tool , it mean u wont just be an hardcord grinder
quick garden
but its there game
so we as players dont practically matter?
molten obsidian
so we as players dont practically matter?
i mean to a certain extent yes
cuz on paper doesent matter how good of an idea it is tbh
they dont fuck with it its not coming and thats how it is at the end of the day
languid yew
so we as players dont practically matter?
It's almost like mobile is inferior to PC
quick garden
Its roblox dawg , some game run on pc and cant run on console or phone , its a g...
well that doesent answer the question should we throw the minority out of the window yes or no?
quick garden
It's almost like mobile is inferior to PC
i mean yeah the devs have deluded themselves and dont want to even make an attempt abt it so cant do muchi
languid yew
Tower defense games are optimized to be played on PCs
slate quail
- AV is a more mature and engaging game than other TD game , its grindy but not grindy enough for mobile and console , if u want a more quick and accessible TD game because u find annoying that u cant use tools , just play another game that isnt as grindy
upbeat oyster
Ideas can be good and just not mesh with the game,
ideas can be awful and easily and quickly declined.
It's their game to decide which is which, though.
quick garden
Tower defense games are optimized to be played on PCs
obviously because they got workarounds to make the grind bareable
well wbt other platforms tho
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+ AV is a more mature and engaging game than other TD game , its grindy but not ...
av is more mature and engaging
slate quail
***av is more mature and engaging***
Its true ,just by looking at how the game look u understand it as soon as u see it
quick garden
+ AV is a more mature and engaging game than other TD game , its grindy but not ...
thats actually one of the most reasonable things someone has said in this server icl
languid yew
obviously because they got workarounds to make the grind bareable
Not even that, strategy games like tower defense games are inherently designed to be played on mouse + keyboard
slate quail
True
molten obsidian
well wbt other platforms tho
u've seen their intentions alr someone like blaze doesent want the idea so js chill out
quick garden
Not even that, strategy games like tower defense games are inherently designed t...
then well why provide other platforms fo them if u dont plan on atleast making it bareabale?
molten obsidian
then well why provide other platforms fo them if u dont plan on atleast making i...
money or to push to a wider audeinece?
lost token
It was inferior on dandan upd cuz the upd was poopy diapers
Also ALS players are too loyal
quick garden
money or to push to a wider audeinece?
well thats greedy asf they dont even plan to improve to even do the bare minimum
slate quail
Also ALS players are too loyal
Just because they can unplug their brains while playing
molten obsidian
well thats greedy asf they dont even plan to improve to even do the bare minimum
chill out bro
dont wanna keep repeating the same shit
ITS THEIR FUCKING GAME AT THE END OF THE DAY
dont like it? create ur own or play another
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Just because they can unplug their brains while playing
i don't blame them
the game is made to be done without trying
lost token
ITS THEIR FUCKING GAME AT THE END OF THE DAY
"chill out bro"
"Rages out"
😭🙏
molten obsidian
Also ALS players are too loyal
to give credit its the experience tbh
lost token
to give credit its the experience tbh
It's pure dopamine
molten obsidian
"chill out bro"
"*Rages out*"
😭🙏
well all this dumbass is doing right here is coping that they dont want to bring auto upgrade
if he wants it so bad go play fucking als
slate quail
i don't blame them
the game is made to be done without trying
True
molten obsidian
dont like als? create ur own goddamn game not that hard 2 simple soluitions
languid yew
i don't blame them
the game is made to be done without trying
One of many reasons why I don't like ALS
Half of me wants ASTDx to kill off ALS
quick garden
dont like als? create ur own goddamn game not that hard 2 simple soluitions
make it sound easy asf not gonna lie
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Half of me wants ASTDx to kill off ALS
fruit is still a owner
molten obsidian
make it sound easy asf not gonna lie
picking the solution is easy
molten obsidian
but doing what u want to do is a whole diff thing
languid yew
Realistically its gonna coexist with AV and ALS for some time
quick garden
astd:x will die
if als is still alive rn i fucking wonder\
agile osprey
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fruity trying to not lie to his community for the 1000th time
crude schooner
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One of many reasons why I don't like ALS
both als and av have problems
either you don't do anything or have to deal with the most annoying thing ever
molten obsidian
Long ass day icl @quick garden pls dont continue bitching around do sth with ur life fr
molten obsidian
ill be waiting i guess
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Astd X to me feels like the in between of als and av
imagine if is the same game with just better graphics
molten obsidian
then i cba
quick garden
ill be waiting i guess
yeah u just wait right there ill eventually deliver
molten obsidian
yeah u just wait right there ill eventually deliver
dont tell me u deadass planning to make a game 😭
quick garden
dont tell me u deadass planning to make a game 😭
everybody has a starting point dont they?
molten obsidian
but not a td game please for the love of god
quick garden
well if this mfs could delude themselves auto upgrade is a bad idea
im 100% sure i can delude myself to make a game
quick garden
but not a td game please for the love of god
yh ofc i aint that dumb
molten obsidian
if u actually succed ts is gonna be hillarious
Highlight "Some dumbass created a td game cuz a dev denied his idea of auto upgrade and now its number one on the platform"
queen turtle
Als advantage is the graph , gives more rewards , faster updates but the disadvantage is the game can d13 sooner or later
languid yew
if u actually succed ts is gonna be hillarious
Highlight "Some dumbass created a...
thats the title of some 6.0 anime on MAL
molten obsidian
Als advantage is the graph , gives more rewards , faster updates but the disadva...
wdym the graph? and tf is d13
quick garden
if u actually succed ts is gonna be hillarious
Highlight "Some dumbass created a...
yeah watch this shit happen
queen turtle
wdym the graph? and tf is d13
low graphs means many players can play it
languid yew
yeah watch this shit happen
Cook
queen turtle
like low dev
molten obsidian
yeah watch this shit happen
well dont waste ur time here on this discord get starting im right behind u supporting u
dm if u need a play test
not the best but i feel i can get the job done
languid yew
wdym the graph? and tf is d13
like ALS will die (it'll happen trust)
molten obsidian
low graphs means many players can play it
u mean low barriers of entry? cuz ts is what a graph looks like?
molten obsidian
like ALS will die (it'll happen trust)
yeah 100%
-# never gonna happen lol
queen turtle
ALS is a friendly game and like a grow a garden that u can afk
languid yew
yeah 100%
-# never gonna happen lol
-# I take it back, there'll be idiots playing it
molten obsidian
-# I take it back, there'll be idiots playing it
-# i mean if grow a garden can get players 100%
molten obsidian
ALS is a friendly game and like a grow a garden that u can afk
i dont think u know how to phrase ur words but yeah i do agree its easy to afk and friendlier then av
languid yew
same idiots who play Grow a Garden play games like AFK Journey
slate quail
same idiots who play Grow a Garden play games like AFK Journey
Whats wrong with afk journey
languid yew
Whats wrong with afk journey
its an AFK game
queen turtle
AV is a game for players that want to enjoy the game , but its not enjoyable for now because theres no pity or hope for us players
to get the reward or traits we want and grind for
rotund plume
If they can decrown AA, they can decrown ALS if they lock in
aa was doomed to die regardless so thats not the best comparison
slate quail
its an AFK game
I played it for like a month and afk is a little part of the game , its just some ressources u get while ure not doing anything
Afk is like 5% of the game
languid yew
I played it for like a month and afk is a little part of the game , its just som...
Maybe I just wanna actually play a video game, who knows
slate quail
Afk is like 5% of the game
.
queen turtle
I started AV when they released it , my first expression is " THIS GAME HAS A LOT POTENTIAL"
languid yew
I started AV when they released it , my first expression is " THIS GAME HAS A LO...
legit what everyones reaction was
queen turtle
I hope they add pity so many players can enjoy it
languid yew
what kind of pity?
slate quail
I hope they add pity so many players can enjoy it
What pity
queen turtle
pity ex.
guaranteed monarch trait in 500rrs
guaranteed secret unit in 500 match
upbeat oyster
Did
Did you miss the part of the update log where they added unit drop pity to stages
Why would EX need a pity, it's a 50/50
And 500 rrs is WAY too low for monarch, it's a 0.1%
slate quail
pity ex.
guaranteed monarch trait in 500rrs
guaranteed secret unit in 500 matc...
Wym secret, pity exist for some of the secret , and 500 is too low for monarch thats not even the rate , it exist at 2500
queen turtle
guys ex. means example
subtle epoch
dusk cedar
make it 25 frfr
languid yew
Can we ALL agree Birbs drop rate needs to be increased
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Can we ALL agree Birbs drop rate needs to be increased
make the pity work for the birb
nobody cares about cid
languid yew
make the pity work for the birb
nobody cares about cid
or increase its drop rate to 3%/9%
upbeat oyster
Can we ALL agree Birbs drop rate needs to be increased
Fuck no, it was already enough of a mistake
lavish saddle
tbh the main reason is that av lacks content
languid yew
Fuck no, it was already enough of a mistake
How would you fix it?
Powercreep imo would be the next best solution
rotund plume
Powercreep imo would be the next best solution
powercreeping birb shouldnt happen since its already so broken
upbeat oyster
Honestly at this point there really isn't much fix
Outside of just waiting for new familiars to come through
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powercreeping birb shouldnt happen since its already so broken
you can't powercreep the powercreep itself
upbeat oyster
strange cat kinda already does in terms of just raw damage potential
A god roll birb will always be better, but those things are SO rare
The main problem rn is that there's no competition in the crit department for familiars
languid yew
strange cat kinda already does in terms of just raw damage potential
If only it wasn’t a limited time familiar…
upbeat oyster
Eh, they aren't nearly that hard to get though
And the base stats of the familiar are pretty irrelevant
They're just a sink for corruption shards
languid yew
Eh, they aren't nearly that hard to get though
Still it should’ve been permanently obtainable
I like to think they balanced birb that way so they can dismiss criticism about how familiars should be enabled in traitless modes
upbeat oyster
lol
Nah, birb had nothing to do with that
It was solely designed as an amusing sort of version of Ventor's Gamble
slate quail
strange cat kinda already does in terms of just raw damage potential
Its kinda underwhelming tbh
upbeat oyster
Potentially up to 60% damage for 5 elements?
Assuming god rolls of course but
Underwhelming
slate quail
Yeah god roll , but its the same point 7% 5 times aint happening
Birb god and cat god are almost as rare and still birb way more effective
While it came likr 2 months ago if im right ?
upbeat oyster
Well no shit, birb is a LOT harder to actually get, set up, and gamble on
It's the only secret familiar
slate quail
Yeah but god roll is still a god roll for both , and even an average birb is better than a god cat
Maybe if he was a lil better to be usuable and not as a second choice yeah cuz u dont have birb
upbeat oyster
Calling it "underwhelming" is still a wild take
slate quail
I see but for all endgame gamemode even average birb is better than a god cat, moslty in infinite lb where pet have way more value , well here its birb , and even as a second choice i dont see cat getting used
Its a good concept , but just if even an average one was a little better it wouldve been better
slate quail
Ig yeah in that sense its a good thing , but still not " accesible "cuz that shit need a lot of shard
upbeat oyster
Which are not hard to come by at all
And the familiar itself is not hard to get because chests are a 30% drop now
slate quail
And end game/late player moslty have one or some birb , and by accessible ig then for newer player or mid game , which is kinda a struggle to get shard
upbeat oyster
No, not really
slate quail
And the familiar itself is not hard to get because chests are a 30% drop now
Yeah ofc ure right , but the big problem i see i just shard for lower player , otherwise i totally agree sith u
slate quail
No, not really
Its kinda boring and annoying to farm so idk
upbeat oyster
So don't go high in intensity?
It's always been more efficient to just go to 1k intensity and then cash out
slate quail
I swear that first time i got 1k and saw 500 boss without knowing while having monarch i couldnt even beat that
And lower player could just think damn that shh impossible, imma stop that
knotty ridge
And the familiar itself is not hard to get because chests are a 30% drop now
60% mvp right
I hate how most of the gameplay is 1 player plays and the other 3 leech
I miss cooperation but the gameplay is not changing until the devs change
slate quail
I miss occult tbf
Maybe stop portal for the next vanguard in banner and make smth where 3/4 ppl are needed
Or even get reward based on how much dammage u get
knotty ridge
I miss occult tbf
I had some decent fun with friends and even if the event could be 🥭 the devs at least tried to add mechs to avoid it
slate quail
So people cant leech
slate quail
I had some decent fun with friends and even if the event could be 🥭 the devs at...
Yeah fr
knotty ridge
Just gives you 2 at once
True i forgor
lavish saddle
a god cat is gonna go crazy on aizen
placid torrent
I miss occult tbf
you're alone in this one man
ngl
atleast i hope so
the fucking 30 minute gamemode is not smth i miss
cinder oasis
Mfs complain when the game is too grindy, but also complains when the game is too easy
Wtf do people want
placid torrent
Mfs complain when the game is too grindy, but also complains when the game is to...
different groups of people want different thing ig
some people are fine with grinds you can just magno
rotund plume
Mfs complain when the game is too grindy, but also complains when the game is to...
tedious grind and actual difficulty aint the same
cinder oasis
Byeken unit requires you to win PvP and people complain
Chaos EX was hard and people complain
placid torrent
only way to make a grind difficult is either making it lengthy or making shit like ex act 4
rotund plume
in these type of games
if the devs take the easy route sure
cinder oasis
But then they complain when they completed the update in one day
placid torrent
if the devs take the easy route sure
the more likely to be recieved well route
placid torrent
But then they complain when they completed the update in one day
yeah i never really get that tbh
cinder oasis
Didn’t people complain about ant dungeon when it first released too
rotund plume
Byeken unit requires you to win PvP and people complain
which is reasonable, pvp should not be required for anything in a pve related game
but i dont think nearly as many people complained about baiken compared to vsjw quest
placid torrent
ig people want them to artificially inflate how long it takes to complete a quest
placid torrent
which is reasonable, pvp should not be required for anything in a pve related ga...
they did
they absolutely did
rotund plume
i dont think so
placid torrent
people did not like ex stage
cinder oasis
which is reasonable, pvp should not be required for anything in a pve related ga...
Y’all want a GRINDY update
cinder oasis
I also hate the PvP quest
placid torrent
which is absolutely fair
cinder oasis
But I understand why they do that
rotund plume
people did not like the pvp quest or the ex 4 stages
they had reason to hate the pvp quest
ex stages is true i guess
placid torrent
pvp is a shit gamemode and ex 4 is also just annoying
nothing else
i can solo the stage
and i still find it just annoying
its an aa-like stage
dusk cedar
Half the new stages they make recently are just annoying. Cid raid, EX, portals, today absorption units can never be seen again for all I care
placid torrent
Half the new stages they make recently are just annoying. Cid raid, EX, portals,...
Portals are okay
Cid raid is mostly fine but cuffs fucking ruin it
Ex wouldve been fine but they had to make them mandatory
dusk cedar
Idk if anything feels like AA it's def the portals
placid torrent
Nowhere near as bad though lmao
dusk cedar
Nah it's pretty bad
placid torrent
Half of the ports in aa didnt have tiers and you just had to farm inf and then do the portals
dusk cedar
Yeah but that's not saying much lol
upbeat oyster
We just need an element reaction rework
placid torrent
We just need an element reaction rework <:Sob4k:1366752039912214558>
Definitely
I dont think theres an issue with portals themselves tho
If elements werent so stupid itd be chill
upbeat oyster
They’re not even that difficult tbh
placid torrent
They’re not even that difficult tbh
Some of them are
dusk cedar
I just hate portals cuz they have all these different things, which while cool, can be VERY annoying when you will do 100+ of them to even attempt for Kaguya
placid torrent
Especially since yk
You can only use 1 dps unit
Idk whats up with the skin selection this time around
upbeat oyster
Yeah I dunno either
placid torrent
Why gilgamesh and rom
Legit unobtainaele units😭
Yoruichi is still obtainable atleast
dusk cedar
People use afk stuff because either they are lazy, or it's almost nerded
I think they need to stop doing limited vanguards
That's 3 of the 4 vanguards that arr limited
placid torrent
I agree but i dont think thats happening
placid torrent
I think we should just bring limited and grindable vanguards to 50 50
Its the best in this genre i may as well continue
dusk cedar
Being the best doesn't mean it's good
Cuz what's their competition? Als? That is a whole different game
upbeat oyster
I do know there is plans for more grindable vanguards in the future. I’m not gonna spoil them, but vsjw was not a one time thing at least.
placid torrent
I do know there is plans for more grindable vanguards in the future. I’m not gon...
I hope the next vanguard is grindable atleast
upbeat oyster
I hope so too
dusk cedar
One more thing I really don't like is actually vsjw lol
I think he was very unhealthy for the game
upbeat oyster
Because I think I know who it is and the kit’s silly
placid torrent
One more thing I really don't like is actually vsjw lol
I think he was very unhe...
I think he was needed lol
languid yew
One more thing I really don't like is actually vsjw lol
I think he was very unhe...
I have this same mentality for Gogeta and Kaguya
dusk cedar
Feels like vsjw is almost needed for 90% of new content lol
placid torrent
Maybe not the bear spam
upbeat oyster
I think vsjw was fine tbh. He’s a vanguard tier unit that was feasible for everyone to get with no RNG involved beyond getting Igris or the mythic sacrifices
I mean, I haven’t touched using vsjw in SO long
dusk cedar
I have this same mentality for Gogeta and Kaguya
Tbh I don't like any of the vanguards they've made, which is why I've made no attempt to get any of them, I just don't have the time anymore
upbeat oyster
I used him for like, a little bit of worldlines for inf tsuku because I was lazy but
placid torrent
I have this same mentality for Gogeta and Kaguya
Why lol
Vsjw is significantly more meta centralizing than either of those
upbeat oyster
I think it’s because they’re limited and they’re one placements
Which makes monarch absurd on them
dusk cedar
Basically monarch needed
placid torrent
I mean you could make them 3 placement and nothing would change
upbeat oyster
But that’s why they also tend to fall short in traitless content
That’s kinda why they’re 1 placement
languid yew
I'd make it so one placement units can't get Monarch, but nah this game needs to make money
dusk cedar
That's another problem for me, trying to do anything without monarch isn't hard, just very annoying
upbeat oyster
Traited LBs are a Wild West of shit, but traitless doesn’t necessarily demand limited vanguards
upbeat oyster
I'd make it so one placement units can't get Monarch, but nah this game needs to...
That’d be a terrible idea
placid torrent
Yeah having exceptions to a global system is not a fix
languid yew
Traited LBs are a Wild West of shit, but traitless doesn’t necessarily demand li...
ppl actually play traited leaderboards 
dusk cedar
I've used probably a little over 3k rerolls, I have 12 deadeyes, and 6 ethereals. 0 monarch. And it really demotivates me to play lol
But it's a roblox td so
It's not changing
upbeat oyster
They’re designed to be 1 placement and balanced appropriately, so yes, monarch is really strong, but that’s also so they aren’t prevalent in traitless LBs where people are supposed to be on more equal footing
languid yew
lowk this game would benefit from traitless infinite leaderboards
dusk cedar
Also, I really hated PvP... I played around 20 ish games of it
Really was not a fan
placid torrent
lowk this game would benefit from traitless infinite leaderboards
No
dusk cedar
lowk this game would benefit from traitless infinite leaderboards
Astd X is actually gonna have those
placid torrent
Inf is already a niche mode
No point inflating the rewards
Plus the inf meta is legit just de units lol
dusk cedar
Somehow als has done a lot of what I like to see, returning content, reworks for old units,
And I use to be a very big als hater lol
languid yew
Somehow als has done a lot of what I like to see, returning content, reworks for...
I saw they did that for their summer units from last year, AV should do something like that for the Dandadan content
maybe not bring back Diavolo but rebalance Okarun, Momo, and Shrimpy & put them in a legacy banner
placid torrent
Somehow als has done a lot of what I like to see, returning content, reworks for...
Yeah but thats also a stupid ass solution
Why even make units limited
Just stop doing those
Instead of advertising the unit as "limited" and then just bringing it back when you feel like it
upbeat oyster
If they want to have a trading system in the future involving those units, they have to keep them limited anyways
Otherwise players just get mad that their limited unit they just paid a lot for is suddenly just available in the banner again
placid torrent
Yeah
dusk cedar
Yeah but thats also a stupid ass solution
Yeah I didn't say av should do that, I just like that als does it
slate quail
I've used probably a little over 3k rerolls, I have 12 deadeyes, and 6 ethereals...
Sad
normal schooner
I've used probably a little over 3k rerolls, I have 12 deadeyes, and 6 ethereals...
put 2500 on one unit
gg
dusk cedar
put 2500 on one unit
It's too late now lol
dusk cedar
I barely even play anymore
slate quail
why play when you can mancro
Whats the point of playing the game then
normal schooner
you could play 24/7 if you mancroed
normal schooner
Whats the point of playing the game then
Baby's first slot machine
dusk cedar
290 rerolls and I didn't get anything on arc
normal schooner
av is not a hard game at all
slate quail
av is not a hard game at all
Its rly grindy
normal schooner
it's artificial difficulty
you get monarch you win
there's barely any strategy if you don't consider lb stuff
slate quail
Lb is end game so ofc u need brain , but yeah youre right
normal schooner
Lb is end game so ofc u need brain , but yeah youre right
ideally in a tower defense game you should need a brain for everything
not just place three units and win
(vsjw)
slate quail
What u saying is only for mid game bro
normal schooner
What u saying is only for mid game bro
okay
slate quail
Any end or late game shh u cant do that
normal schooner
not just place three units and win
dusk cedar
Genuinely vsjw is both one of the best and worst things they could've ever added
normal schooner
(three monarchs)
normal schooner
Try 3 monarch in lb traitless
that's lb
slate quail
Try 3 monarch in act 4 ex
normal schooner
nobody plays lb
dusk cedar
Never even touched it
slate quail
They just need to make more REAL diffucult shit
normal schooner
okay but on a serious note
slate quail
nobody plays lb
Everyone play LB
slate quail
I aint missing those 100 rr a week
dusk cedar
They just need to make more REAL diffucult shit
All the stuff that's "difficult" is just monarch reliant
normal schooner
if someone makes an actual good tower defense game nobody's gonna play it
a solid 90% of roblox players are under the age of sixteen
slate quail
All the stuff that's "difficult" is just monarch reliant
I mean monarch is considered end game so ig , and even if u get 1 u wont be able to solo anything
normal schooner
roblox just isn't a good platform to do anything creative
slate quail
They just need to make real difficult shit , with actual mechanics in game
upbeat oyster
ideally in a tower defense game you should need a brain for everything
Unfortunately this is a roblox game at the end of the day, so we still have audiences to appeal towards
normal schooner
Unfortunately this is a roblox game at the end of the day, so we still have audi...
yeah that's what i'm saying
slate quail
a solid 90% of roblox players are under the age of sixteen
And people just dont wanna bother actually playing
normal schooner
there can't really be creative development on roblox because it'd just flop
dusk cedar
They just need to make real difficult shit , with actual mechanics in game
But that's the thing, everything devs consider difficult just means you need monarch lol
normal schooner
instead of actual good games on the front page you have grow a garden with three million ccu
dusk cedar
While I wish they made traitless versions of stuff they won't
normal schooner
steal a brainrot with six hundred thousand
slate quail
No but i mean some creative shit , like where u actually need to play the units u place , and try to do something
dusk cedar
I just hope astd x is decent
But it's fruit so well see ig
normal schooner
No but i mean some creative shit , like where u actually need to play the units ...
that game would flop
wdym play the units
what
slate quail
Not a game , a gamemode
normal schooner
if it needs actual strategy it's flopping
slate quail
Like u place goku and u actually need to attack to deal 10 times dammage
dusk cedar
Half the game modes av has made have flopped hard
slate quail
Like takr the control of it
normal schooner
it's a bit straightforward but if it needs strategy the game will not work
slate quail
it's a bit straightforward but if it needs strategy the game will not work
I guess but it will be more fun
Look pvp its so boring
dusk cedar
Pvp is awful is what it is
normal schooner
Its because the strategy is mid
it's because the game itself had no strategy to begin with
the very point of a game like this is to make money via gambling
upbeat oyster
Sometimes you look into questions and then you realize why any mechanically demanding stage concept would flop
slate quail
Farming 5 minuts then spawning shit is mid
normal schooner
Sometimes you look into questions and then you realize why any mechanically dema...
the majority of roblox players are children after all
dusk cedar
Atd games CANNOT have a good pvp
upbeat oyster
Farming 5 minuts then spawning shit is mid
Why wouldn’t you be spawning basic enemies throughout to build eco
dusk cedar
Like it won't happen
upbeat oyster
That is your farming
slate quail
Why wouldn’t you be spawning basic enemies throughout to build eco
Because they have 100 health and that even a rare units could kill them
upbeat oyster
Or you spam shielded ants to harass your enemy a bit if they have single hit units or just not a lot down
upbeat oyster
Because they have 100 health and that even a rare units could kill them
The point isn’t to win with basic ants, they’re supposed to die. You build eco by sending them
normal schooner
creative games just don't make it
slate quail
Yeah but how to know ur ennemies have single hit units + what upgrade he is to know if the attack is multi hit or not , 99% of the player wont even think of that
dusk cedar
I just don't see the appeal with pvp
It takes forever and the rewards are not that good
normal schooner
Yeah but how to know ur ennemies have single hit units + what upgrade he is to k...
you turn on fx
slate quail
The point isn’t to win with basic ants, they’re supposed to die. You build eco b...
Yeah but litteraly all.my game were 30minuts + because of that
dusk cedar
I personally don't find it fun either
upbeat oyster
that’s why pvp is a knowledge check gamemode and why it was never destined to be something everyone played
dusk cedar
you turn on fx
Tbf if I did that I thin my laptop would explode lol
slate quail
you turn on fx
Even on some units its not really intuitive to know
normal schooner
Even on some units its not really intuitive to know
you
upbeat oyster
If your matches are consistently 30 minutes, something’s wrong
normal schooner
go off memory
slate quail
Something that 99% of player wont do
dusk cedar
If your matches are consistently 30 minutes, something’s wrong
Mine were around 15-20
normal schooner
Something that 99% of player wont do
then 99% of players won't play pvp
it needs you to actually know the game
dusk cedar
I just don't see a reason to play it
normal schooner
a solid 90% of the players who have ever played av logged in once placed a luffy and left
dusk cedar
It's not fun, there are little to no rewards, and it takes consistently 15+ minutes
normal schooner
what keeps people playing is either fun multiplayer gamemodes or friends
av kinda got the fun multiplayer gamemode with the cid raid
dusk cedar
I'd agree if it wasn't for the cuffs
normal schooner
multiplayer
not singleplayer
i feel like the cid raid was designed around having four people
slate quail
then 99% of players won't play pvp
Make a mode , code a whole game arround pvp , so 1% of player play it ? Im sure that the goal of pvp was to give a good thing for player to do when they feel bored or have nothing to do
normal schooner
Make a mode , code a whole game arround pvp , so 1% of player play it ? Im sure ...
when did they code the whole game around pvp
slate quail
Maybe if it was more fast id see the potential
normal schooner
pvp was released in update 6 not update 0
slate quail
when did they code the whole game around pvp
They said they had to re-write the whole game
dusk cedar
They did say they had to recode lots of gamemodes
normal schooner
They said they had to re-write the whole game
rewrite the whole game to make pvp work
dusk cedar
Just to fit in with pvp
slate quail
Yup
normal schooner
doesn't mean they actually changed the game in any meaningful way for the player
dusk cedar
But they still took lots of time and resources to do it
slate quail
All that time for 1% of player only playing?
dusk cedar
Idk I'm done with av for now I'm not gonna try and get Kaguya, I got Deadeye Rimuru. That'll be good enough
normal schooner
All that time for 1% of player only playing?
guess so
slate quail
And im sure its not even 1%
normal schooner
the point of av is to make money
it's a sad truth but
hey
that's what it's made for
i forgot what i was gonna say so
give me a minute
nope i lost it
slate quail
Then instead of loosing all this time on pvp
Making something better would have clearly been a better idea
Cuz i think pvp is dead for now
Only tryhard play it
normal schooner
oh well
devs made a mistake
still has 60k ccu though
pvp was not a good idea though
it's a cool concept but to have pvp in a game where the main difficulty comes from just scaling the enemies' hp
it just doesn't work
upbeat oyster
PvP is one of those modes where “yeah it’s nice to have for the people that like it” but not something a majority of the playerbase is gonna do
Which they knew
placid torrent
Which they knew
yo off context question but is the bug of kaguya tping to the middle of fucking nowhere on dd known
placid torrent
this mf is past unemployment status
its called magnoing little buddy
plus levels are irrelevant anyway
i couldve been 1100 if i really wanted but what's the point
upbeat oyster
yo off context question but is the bug of kaguya tping to the middle of fucking ...
what the fuck
Oh my god, is she maybe trying to target the gimmick for the laser attacks
placid torrent
Oh my god, is she maybe trying to target the gimmick for the laser attacks
think so
its probably from the "attacks first enemy on dimension spawn"
upbeat oyster
Yeah
placid torrent
when theres nothing else on the map
upbeat oyster
That's what I was thinking
upbeat oyster
Yeah
It's not like the unit's softlocked but
It's probably just how the mechanic was initially coded
placid torrent
its a funny bug
upbeat oyster
Because Vegito can counter it too
placid torrent
not too bad
upbeat oyster
And kill it
placid torrent
slate quail
i couldve been 1100 if i really wanted but what's the point
Wym 1100
slate quail
its probably from the "attacks first enemy on dimension spawn"
Its bc statues is a mob
placid torrent
Wym 1100
he doesnt know...
aizen inf freeze glitch
i decided not to do inf lb that season because it was mind numbingly ass
slate quail
Damn thats how
placid torrent
that's how people got that high of levels yeah
slate quail
Last season wasnt bugged at all
placid torrent
Last season wasnt bugged at all
might as well have been
slate quail
Everyone was just doing cid spam
placid torrent
laggy as fuck
placid torrent
Yeah its infinite
it was NEVER that bad
like it was actually horrid
the server straight up could crash at any point lol