Release Trading

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[worthy schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-what-i-just-read-gif-20766315

[marsh otter]

what's wrong with it?

[worthy schooner]

Said only lv 70+ be able to access to trading is beyond horrible ngl

[marsh otter]

True tho, what would be a viable level to trade?

[worthy schooner]

And saying unit that mean for trading “should not be tradable” is wtf bro too

[worthy schooner]

I’d say around lv 50 where you alr able to unlock all your Slot

[cedar dock]

oh yeah make it so traits are reset when traded

[worthy schooner]

Trait SHOULD NOT be tradable

Or that shit will be crazy

[cedar dock]

learn to read

[worthy schooner]

wtf bro, I agree with you

[marsh otter]

oh yyeah, that too. All Traits and Stats reset upon trading.

[worthy schooner]

Idk about stat but ye, trade should not be tradable under any circumstances

[marsh otter]

yep, that's what I just said

[worthy schooner]

People have problem when I repeat what they just said or what bro

[stray star]

what?? noooooo i need this so i can trade my monarch gogeta on my secondary main and make everything really easy

[marsh otter]

AA used the same method by delaying limited units by one update, but it was not a really good move because people resorted to "waiting for the next update so the unit becomes tradeable" and gave up on playing the game.

AV should delay like 3-4 updates until a unit becomes tradeable and become non-meta. Still good but not the best Exclusive Units

[eternal jacinth]

Let’s not release trading ;) we ont need it

[cedar dock]

yeah so that i can trade my SHINY monarch gogeta fully godly to my alt so i can farm there..

[marsh otter]

Vanguards should not be tradeable

[cedar dock]

🤦‍♂️ God

pls learn to take a joke

[marsh otter]

i did, i decided not to :DDD

[cedar dock]

That was obviously sarcastic

[marsh otter]

oh no, i got caught!

[stray star]

alright but
that kinda makes you look stupid

[marsh otter]

free will

[eternal jacinth]

so

Uh

[cedar dock]

right surely u did that on purpose….

[eternal jacinth]

1 minute of silence

[stray star]

you get xp from typing in suggestions right?

[eternal jacinth]

Nope

[stray star]

well that sucks

[cedar dock]

can yall upvote my joseph and avdol suggestion please

[eternal jacinth]

Indeed it does 😔

[worthy schooner]

I understand the idea to make a unit that tradable but only for collection but if talking like you, Toji should never be tradable and same as Gilgamesh bro

What’s the meaning of trading if you lose like half the fun of it

[stray star]

my worm is bugged man

[worthy schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-konosuba-kazuma-sad-hand-on-shoulder-gif-2472116041386216360

[marsh otter]

that's what I meant by only making non-meta units tradeable to begin with.

[eternal jacinth]

Meh

[worthy schooner]

I disagree, unobtainable unit being tradable is all we need, like I see nothing wrong with some unit like Vergil being tradable atp, he’s strong but you alr have strong unit if you’re lv 50 anyway

[marsh otter]

but that's the same thing i said. Exclusives become unobtainable at some point and they in point become non-meta in the long run.

[pseudo temple]

vanguards and Worldlines unit as non tradable is wild work

[marsh otter]

Yeah cuz the Devs already said only Exlusives are tradeable. They said that a long time ago

[worthy schooner]

They said WL unit being Secret is a mistake too

[pseudo temple]

no im saying that the opinion you have that they shouldn't be tradable is certainly interesting...

[worthy schooner]

Ikr?

[eternal jacinth]

I wanna be able to trade my Gogeta ;)

[pseudo temple]

Reactions speak for themselves

[marsh otter]

I'm only aligning my opinion on what the Devs already stated. If they said WL units as secrets is a mistake, then they should become tradeable if their originally meant to be exclusive.

[pseudo temple]

???

[worthy schooner]

I agree

[worthy schooner]

Devs said Exclusive unit is the only rarity being Tradable I believe

And this claim was long ago

Like caveman era

[pseudo temple]

you can see if a unit is limited or not from the unit view mechanic

[marsh otter]

yeah, that too, it could change. Upd 0 era lol

[pseudo temple]

i don't know exactly if this was from 0.0 though

[worthy schooner]

You misunderstood what i mean tho

But yes, you can see that

[pseudo temple]

no i understood what you meant, Yes they branded Exclusive and Vanguard rarity as a tradable thing. I think you misunderstood what i said/was confused on though. I was confused on the replies wording for his sentence not questioning rarity and trading.

[worthy schooner]

Oh ic ic

[pseudo temple]

because "I'm only aligning my opinion on what the Devs already stated. If they said WL units as secrets is a mistake, then they should become tradeable if their originally meant to be exclusive." seems to contradict the posters point in his suggestion

unless im not understanding something here

[worthy schooner]

As I understand, he not deny that WL unit should be tradable but he said he think they should not be tradable because of their rarity

According to devs

[marsh otter]

yeah, if they were meant to be exlusives, then they should be tradeable.

[pseudo temple]

they are "tradable" though?

[marsh otter]

yeah but currently, WL units have a rarity of Secret and not Exclusives

[stray star]

what if i like them being secrets

[pseudo temple]

then change the wording in ur original post man

you make it seem like you don;'t want worldlines units to be tradable

[worthy schooner]

I think it’s a good time for you to forget about that claim since we have Ishtar

[stray star]

also gizelle

[ebon scarab]

This idea is horrible? WTH? I’ve been a verified trade helper for several games for the past years and this trading requirement is absolutely horrendous?

[worthy schooner]

Almost forgot about him

[worthy schooner]

I agree lol

[ebon scarab]

I mean hell this don’t even make sense.

[stray star]

nah
peashooter not being tradable is a valid take

[pseudo temple]

it indeed does not lol

[marsh otter]

Well, idea scrapped then lol.

[worthy schooner]

Idk man, it kinda base on personal reference

[marsh otter]

yep, i have no experience in anything trading, but it was mostly because of economy concern

since that's what most are worried about

[ebon scarab]

Okay. Let me do a small education lesson on your reasoning.

“Vanguards should never tradable…”
Obviously VSJW shouldn’t be so let’s put him aside.
How exactly would they loose value?
There is a certain amount of vanguards people own. There is no way to increase that amount, only decrease whether it’s through deleting or people quit trading. Only limiting the supply of a LIMITED vanguard.

No, they cannot loose value. I don’t even know how you even got that idea

Yeah if a guy chose to trade away his vanguard Diavolo for overpay, yeah it would increase its value as it leads to overpay

How would trading affect a limited amount of vanguard units value?

[marsh otter]

when you put it like that, you're right.

but I saw one post about one account having like 20 or so gogitas on his inventory lol

[ebon scarab]

Infact if a vanguard is being traded, that means it would gain value cause it’s still usable and demanding. Diavolo for an example. His ability lets you dominate most tournaments thanks to his ability and insanely high damage. Only way he can loose value in trading is through gaslighting and market manipulating

Which I witnessed in AA, YBA, AUT, and I’m not listing out all the servers I worked as a trade helper or tierlist maker

[ebon scarab]

Gogeta value is down the drain since he was out for several months

[stray star]

idk if gogeta would gain some value

[ebon scarab]

Not because of trading

[opal sorrel]

i would love to have 10 gogetas for 1 cat familiar 🤑

nvm thats still overpaying

[ebon scarab]

Debunking Reasoning 3: You didn’t even provide a reason why.

Debunking number 4
“Trading should be for collection….”
Yeah if people choose to. People would also trade for their favorite unit even if it sucks. If they prefer a series over another then yeah they’ll probably overpay for it. Also why would it be cosmetic purposes? ATP just make it so we can only trade cosmetics and still keep the skin? I mean do you hear yourself?

Cosmetics???

What’s the purpose of cosmetics in a tower defense game

It’s suppose to boost a unit popularity

Not to mention trading helps newer players to catch up

There is a system at work here

Er… let me explain how the trading system works

[icy belfry]

they confirmed already

its vanguards and exclusives

limited vanguards*

[marsh otter]

damn unc, i get it 😭 this shi actually makes a lot of sense

[ebon scarab]

You get a unit that’s tradable. You look for higher value units. You trade for it-

[ebon scarab]

Okay then.

[ebon scarab]

Nah cause only reason why I invested in AV is for the sole purpose of trading

[icy belfry]

people arent overpaying for their favorite unit if its dogshit

[marsh otter]

me too ngl, i was so into AA trading back then.

[ebon scarab]

Trust me they would. But by overpay I meant like they’ll give a C tier unit for a F tier unit

[icy belfry]

they wouldnt

[ebon scarab]

Cause a C tier unit to them is worthless

[ebon scarab]

They would. I’ve seen it trust me gng

[marsh otter]

people overpayed for Saiki back in AA and he was absolute dogshit

[icy belfry]

hes a rare item

[ebon scarab]

I treat trading like a stock market

[icy belfry]

thats entirely different

[ebon scarab]

I mean a unit value could plummet instantly

And you’re screwed

Or you get scammed by taking an L offer

Or you take an insanely W offer by some idiot

[marsh otter]

no, it was because he really liked the character, saw it on a video

[ebon scarab]

Or someone inflate a unit value

It’s the thrill of trading

[icy belfry]

hes a top 50 inf run from update 6

hes a very rare unit

and if its a yter thats a different case

[ebon scarab]

I could give you hundreds of example but idk if you know the games

YBA, AUT,

JJI

[marsh otter]

yeah it was a yter, he overpayed cuz he loved Saiki or something like that

[ebon scarab]

uh… let me think

AC

AY

What else…

Oh yeah Bloxfruit

[icy belfry]

you're just naming games thats not an example

lmao

[ebon scarab]

I am naming games I worked for as a trade helper or tierlist maker

Each game I witness someone overpay for something less worth because

1. the stuff they’re giving that’s overpay is worthless to them but worth a lot to the guy who is receiving it
2. They love that unit a lot

Let me ask you, have you ever heard one man’s trash is another man’s treasure?

[icy belfry]

unit trading is nowhere near the stock market bro

[ebon scarab]

It literally summarizes what it means

[marsh otter]

I miss trading on AA

I used to start with Poseidon and slowly worked to Skull Knight. Almost got Homura and then it got copyrighted.

[ebon scarab]

Are we serious

[icy belfry]

yes

[ebon scarab]

Did you not even listen to what I said

[icy belfry]

because its not

[ebon scarab]

I said I treat it like a stock market

[icy belfry]

why

theres nothing similar

[ebon scarab]

I didn’t say it was like or even close to being a stock market

[ebon scarab]

I literally stated why

Scroll up

[icy belfry]

they dont make sense

[ebon scarab]

Then you don’t know about the stock market?

Cause what I said made perfect sense how I treat it as a stock market.

[marsh otter]

it's similar but it's not the stock market.

Supply and Demand plays a mjaor part of it. Gossips change the value of the unit like how a stock would, any new units with a better ability than the previously high value unit would cause the value to drop - like stock markets would.

[ebon scarab]

A unit value could plummet in just 10 minutes

[icy belfry]

a unit's value does not plummet like how the stock market would

and their causes are not similar at all

[ebon scarab]

Okay wow you’re just dense no offense

I didn’t say they’re similar at all

I said I treat it like a stock market

Not say it was similar or even close

In the stock market if a stock is dropping you need to sell it if it’s going to keep dropping

[icy belfry]

i asked you why you treated it like it was the stock market and your reasoning makes no sense

[ebon scarab]

In trading you need to trade off a unit that’s value is plummeting but the fun part is if anyone would do your trade

[icy belfry]

that still doesnt explain how a stock market and trading is similar

unit values dont just plummet instantly

[ebon scarab]

Gang you are making 0 sense

[icy belfry]

why are you treating it like the stock market

if it has nothing similar

[ebon scarab]

You need to constantly pay attention to the unit value cause people could inflate or deflate a unit’s value

[icy belfry]

if someone prices a rare unit at 1 rupee that doesnt mean everyone else will do it

[ebon scarab]

Everybody else might do it too cause of inflating

[icy belfry]

no they wouldnt

[ebon scarab]

Right right don’t take my words of a guy who worked in four or five different servers as a trade helper or tierlist maker

[icy belfry]

doesnt matter at all and you could just be spouting lmao

[ebon scarab]

Right…

[icy belfry]

people wont purposefully underprice their own items

[ebon scarab]

I never said underprice

I said inflating

Do you know what inflating means

[icy belfry]

how

in hell

would a unit

unit's price be inflated

[ebon scarab]

???

I thought you were into AA trading

Literally Dio OH value is inflated

[icy belfry]

oh you mean in that way

[ebon scarab]

Gang

Are we deaduzz

[icy belfry]

i mixed them up

[ebon scarab]

Inflating, deflating, value, demand, market manipulating, sharking

[icy belfry]

anyways

still

[ebon scarab]

These are all terms you should be familiar with

[icy belfry]

those types of units

think of it like diamonds

[ebon scarab]

Okay…?

[icy belfry]

theyre only inflated because 1 company owns them

[ebon scarab]

Right…?

Actually no not really. They simply just control the demand and production of diamonds

One major huge corporation that is in charge of diamonds can also sell them for very cheap.

Competition if you know what that means. A small diamond store would open and start selling. These corporation diamond companies would see these stores as a threat and would then price their diamonds really low, causing these small diamond stores to go bankrupt due to unable to sell any diamonds

[icy belfry]

diamond mining companies hold back some of their inventory so the price goes up due to manipulated rarity

[ebon scarab]

This is what makes corporation so screwed up.

[ebon scarab]

Okay yeah you are aware then

[icy belfry]

they wouldnt view small diamond stores as a threat because their prices arent sustainable

lmao

and well thats also illegal

[ebon scarab]

Eh what I meant was a diamond store could be selling their diamonds are a slightly cheaper price

[ebon scarab]

yeah, it is illegal yet it’s still done everyday

Monopoly

Was it the word called monopoly?

I forgot the English word for this scheme

[icy belfry]

anyways how this ties back to something like dio oh is how there actually is a limited stock

so the owners of the items get to price them however they want

[ebon scarab]

Yeah

I mean this also ties back to AV how inflating a unit would work

And as you are aware, when inflating one unit, another unit would start deflating

[icy belfry]

not really

[ebon scarab]

Reasons? Because if the community see a unit being inflated, they would start trading their units that is clearly higher value for the inflated unit

^

You’ve seen how stupid majority AV players are

[icy belfry]

i dont understand what this means at all

[ebon scarab]

They would definitely start panicking and downgrade

[ebon scarab]

Uh… let me make it more simple

[icy belfry]

like its worded weirdly

[ebon scarab]

When a unit starts to grow in demand

You know what demand is right?

[icy belfry]

just explain it bro i know what ur talking abt u just worded it weird

[ebon scarab]

When a unit starts gaining more people’s interests, and people could clearly see it’s being “inflated” or gaining value even though it shouldn’t, they would tend to trade for said unit as it’s value is growing. However this also would most of the time cause people to overpay for the unit that’s growing even though it shouldn’t. So if unit 1 worth 10, and the unit 2 growing in value but is currently worth 8.5, people that own unit 1 would usually just trade their units 1 for unit 2 + another unit that’s worth 0.5. Meaning they traded their unit that’s worth 10 for two units that totals to 9.

[icy belfry]

if a unit gains people's interests why wouldnt the value inflate

[ebon scarab]

And then the trading starts crumbling. People would see unit 2 is getting better offers that it shouldn’t be getting, and start to demand more. People that own unit 2 would demand more than it should be getting cause they seen what it gets

[ebon scarab]

it does inflate

But it shouldn’t

You understand?

[icy belfry]

exactly why shouldnt it

?

[ebon scarab]

Okay let me make it more simpler

The unit is being inflated way more than it should be

Yes, it was suppose to inflate, but because people panic, it inflates more than it should have

Hence the word panic trading

Wow this was honestly fun dumping all my knowledge on trading

[opal sorrel]

knowledge on trading on roblox game

[icy belfry]

if people are inflating it more than the status quo then people just wont buy it

[flat orbit]

these twists are the most stupid thing ever
limited secrets and vanguards should be tradeable
and what about gamepasses or rerolls you buy with robux

[ebon scarab]

Tbf this knowledge is base off business class

Which you would know if you took it

[ebon scarab]

Yeah except once again, you and I both can admit AV players are sorta dumb.

[opal sorrel]

sorry bro i dropped out since first grade

[flat orbit]

bro wants trading to be the most useless feature ever or what

[ebon scarab]

Dam… sending prayers

[opal sorrel]

av players or roblox in general

[ebon scarab]

Eh Roblox in general but speaking about AV players rn

Cause majority AV players are stupid

They would panic so easily

[opal sorrel]

and majority av players are ____ players?

[ebon scarab]

What?

[eternal jacinth]

-# yea I’m one of those dumb ones

[icy belfry]

average av player is like 13-14

[ebon scarab]

[icy belfry]

they know higher price= bad lower price= good

[ebon scarab]

Really? I’ve been in Question channel and I’ve seen stupid questions being asked everyday

[icy belfry]

if ur the odd man out selling things at like 15 compared to everyone else's 10 no ones buying

[ebon scarab]

Such as “how much crit damage is 50% crit damage”

[opal sorrel]

roblox

[ebon scarab]

No… that’s not what I meant at all gng

[opal sorrel]

it is literally what it is

you can use the same concept of trading in almost every roblox game that has a trading system

[ebon scarab]

Well tbh it depends once trading does release. But from my experience, they always be foolish in trading

[opal sorrel]

🤷‍♂️

[ebon scarab]

I know

[opal sorrel]

which mean majority "av players" isn't stupid roblox is

[ebon scarab]

Oh so that’s what you meant

[limber sierra]

ppl get rugpulled like 😭 ?

what is all that writing for even

[ebon scarab]

A lot. YBA, AUT, A LOT OF INCIDENTS IN BLOXFRUIT that makes me laugh,

[ebon scarab]

Talking about trading and how it would most likely end up happening

[opal sorrel]

isn't it kinda weird how you talk about the concept of trading and how "people" are really stupid on av yet it all applies to every roblox game..

[ebon scarab]

Right… except I didn’t mention how high value units that deserves that spot rarely drops because the people who owns it are smart enough to not stupidly downgrade

I was mostly speaking for units that aren’t worth insanely a lot

Like a decent amount

Cause if you’re invested in trading and manage to trade for a really good unit, by then most people who do own that unit are smart enough to not do anything foolish to trade it down

[flat orbit]

it kinda depends of the person looking for the item

[opal sorrel]

literally the same shit to every other game

[ebon scarab]

You can’t assume people would also have this experience

[flat orbit]

av should copy aa trading system 🙏🏼

[ebon scarab]

There aren’t a lot of games with trading

I only know like at max 10 games that has trading and is popular

[opal sorrel]

you telling me you don't have the same experience playing the others roblox games that have a trading system?

[ebon scarab]

Well I mostly play Roblox for the thrill of trading

Others enjoy casual playing

[limber sierra]

every popular td has trading?

[ebon scarab]

So yeah it’s normal they wouldn’t have the same amount of experience that I know of

[opal sorrel]

what is this sblack panther ass answer

[ebon scarab]

AA, ASTD, ALS,

Uh… yeah that’s all I can think of

[ebon scarab]

??? What does that suppose to mean

[limber sierra]

ye thats all of them 😭

[ebon scarab]

That sounded really racist lmao

[opal sorrel]

can you explain what are the EXPERIENCE that you know of

[opal sorrel]

it means the 1 question supposed to be answer in 1 sentence somehow becomes unneccessary answers

[ebon scarab]

You’re asking me all these unnecessary questions about trading even though I explained it to you several times?

You base your answer on the assumption everybody is aware how trading works

Yet people still fall for scams all the time

[opal sorrel]

what

i never said this

[ebon scarab]

“Multiple Roblox experiences”

[opal sorrel]

im saying all of your experience in trading is literally the same as the other games

[ebon scarab]

Or whatsoever

[limber sierra]

trading value list is enough

or should be nothing else can be do ne

[opal sorrel]

av isn't unique in trading and never will

[limber sierra]

ppl will get scamed no matter what

av will add trading and 100 bugs as well

[ebon scarab]

Anyways Imm sorta tired now. it was fun talking to the other guy who wasn’t tweaking out

[opal sorrel]

there were 0 explanation

❤️

[eternal jacinth]

I fucking hate AUT vro

[formal shoal]

we not trading units anymore, we trading bug reports 🔥