Lower the monarch pity or make it global

[marble adder]

he doesnt need rare units to be better

[mental bluff]

Yhwach needs alot of support vsjw doesnt even if yhwack does 200k dps u cant use him with good units

[blazing palm]

he does

[marble adder]

no he doesnt

[blazing palm]

he very well does

[marble adder]

all u need is giselle and thats enough

[mental bluff]

How

[marble adder]

yhwachs costs efficiency is insane

he is 60k to max

i can solo act 4 ex with monarch yhwach and vsjw and i use yhwach to do most dmg and vsjw only for spamming summons on boss

[blazing palm]

this is the yhwach with NO units

just himself

[uneven loom]

lfelt not even top 3

[blazing palm]

see his dps

[mental bluff]

Who is then ?

[blazing palm]

is

[uneven loom]

baiken viable in way more modes

[uneven loom]

thats lfelt glaze

[marble adder]

wow lets not place units near the unit who needs units near him 🤯

[uneven loom]

baikens better

[marble adder]

no shit vsjw is better raw

[blazing palm]

if he doesn't use rares

he'll debuff them

[uneven loom]

its a miniscule debuff

[marble adder]

give yhwach some placements and he is miles ahead of vsjw

[mental bluff]

I mean this guy got a point

[marble adder]

yhwach is cheaper + full aoe + over x2 dps + mapwide range with supports

[mental bluff]

You can use some units that are debuffed better than rares that do nothing

[blazing palm]

-20% dmg what a small debuff

[mental bluff]

@marble adder you smart

[blazing palm]

also debuffs them by -10% range

[mental bluff]

@uneven loom and you are not

[uneven loom]

yeah thats pretty small

lmao

[mental bluff]

Better than rares

[marble adder]

for progressive modes yhwach is way better than vsjw cus cost efficiency for dps and range is wild

[blazing palm]

20% dmg is high when u start taking into account how much it removes

a unit with 100k dmg will have 80k dmg after the debuff

a unit with 1 million damage will have 800k

[uneven loom]

really not that bad

[blazing palm]

also -10% range

[blazing palm]

i'd say it's the other way around

[mental bluff]

Its better than a unit who deals 69 dps

[blazing palm]

vsjw can summon bears with 100k+ hp at upg 0

monarch

[mental bluff]

Ethereal 120k btw

[blazing palm]

What

[marble adder]

u can either max yhwach and place a bunch of units next to him for 60k dps and 60k cash or place vsjw and get him to lvl 8 or wtv and have way less dps and worse range and worse aoe

[mental bluff]

3 bears each is 40k

[blazing palm]

were talking about monarch vsjw vs monarch yhwach

[uneven loom]

why does that matter

[mental bluff]

Im just saying

That my vsjw clears

[blazing palm]

no need to upgrade yhwach

i mean

vsjw

[uneven loom]

it doesnt

[blazing palm]

he can summon bears with 100k dmg

u can just keep replacing him

[mental bluff]

I wont listen to a guy that says byeken better than lfelt

[marble adder]

wow ok thats so cool

[uneven loom]

cause she is

[weak sail]

You can't solo without a monarch

[uneven loom]

lmao

[mental bluff]

Yap yap

[weak sail]

I said you can beat it without a monarch

[mental bluff]

Im kidding man ik monarch better

[uneven loom]

i dont see lfelt being used in every gamemode

[marble adder]

100k hitting 1 enemy for each replacement vs 60k to max and having over 60k dps map wide full aoe

[mental bluff]

Byeken is support

[uneven loom]

yeah and a better unit than lfelt 😭

[marble adder]

its even on the wiki monarch yhwach > monarch vsjw 🤷‍♂️
i have both monarch and i think yhwach is better

[weak sail]

if you use cid

Vsjw

And few more units

[marble adder]

baiken best trait is ethereal gng

[weak sail]

No monarch

It's possible

[uneven loom]

i know

[mental bluff]

You got a point man

[uneven loom]

why are you telling me this

[uneven loom]

you cant even max half of those in the ex stage

[mental bluff]

@marble adder whos better byeken or lfelt ?

[blazing palm]

amount of dmg a bear has with upg 0 vsjw

[weak sail]

I can max aizen why can't I max cid

[uneven loom]

baiken is used in every gamemode

[blazing palm]

since you can summon 2 bears per vsjw placement

[marble adder]

monarch elphelt > ethereal baiken imo

[blazing palm]

that's roughly 270k dmg

[mental bluff]

Shush bro no one talked to you

[blazing palm]

from just bear

[uneven loom]

baikens a better unit

[marble adder]

but is it full aoe map wide?

ur hitting 1 unit

[mental bluff]

Agree

[blazing palm]

baiken's a support lmfao

what is this comparison

not a support but a crowd control unit i meant

[mental bluff]

Fr

[uneven loom]

yeah and shes a better unit?

[mental bluff]

@weak sail if you can solo no monarch show me a ss

Dont just yap abt it

[blazing palm]

ngl healer summon should cost only 20 mana

[mental bluff]

Who summons healers

[marble adder]

i like healer to heal up my steel after he nukes ex boss

[weak sail]

I said multiple times that's not possible and I said with a 4 ppl team

[mental bluff]

Show me a ss then

[weak sail]

Jeez

I said it is possible

[mental bluff]

Its not

Either you have monarch in solo or a team to clear

Otherwise you cant

[marble adder]

honestly healer should get reworked so he gives summons overshield if he heals while they at max hp

[weak sail]

Yeah why not

[weak sail]

Good idea

[marble adder]

might be too op in inf lb though

[weak sail]

You should suggest that

[weak sail]

Nah you just put a limit

[marble adder]

pretty sure its been suggested before

[weak sail]

and make it so it can't heal the arise ones

Only elite summons

[mental bluff]

Did anyone suggest the ethereal buff ?

[marble adder]

that would fix it

ethereal doesnt need buff, deadeye needs nerf

[weak sail]

why do we need ethereal buff in the first place

[weak sail]

Not rlly

He's the same as before

Why nerf now

[marble adder]

yes really

[mental bluff]

Cause deadeye is better

Thats why

[weak sail]

For certain units only

[marble adder]

bc units without any mention of crit in there passive are better with deadeye that ethereal

[mental bluff]

With birb its better with every unit

[uneven loom]

thats 5m damage for 60k of yen investment

[marble adder]

deadeye shouldnt work with summons or passives like aizen aura

[mental bluff]

Or cid nuke

It can crits btw

Everything in the game crits

And they added a busted familiar for deadeye too

[marble adder]

yeah but that is single target while for 60k u can get full aoe 60k dps map wide range yhwach 😭

[marble adder]

cid better with ethereal cus he can swap faster and better with black spirit chs he swaps faster

[weak sail]

No

[marble adder]

bro elphelt deadeye > ethereal

[mental bluff]

You get the point that everything can crits in the game

Lfelt better with deadeye

Vsjw better with deadeye

Yhwach better with deadeye

[weak sail]

you need birb for most

[marble adder]

no

units without crit mentioned in their passives are better with deadeye though

which should not be the case

[mental bluff]

Birb + deadeye better than ethereal with any familiar

[weak sail]

ehh what's the birb buffs again

[mental bluff]

20% crit rate and 30% crit dmg

If max stats

[weak sail]

Is it possible to get that

[mental bluff]

Ye

Easy

[marble adder]

its on wiki

[mental bluff]

I got that

[weak sail]

Without insane luck

[mental bluff]

You can with corruption

[weak sail]

Technically

[mental bluff]

Just get a good one and corrupt it

[marble adder]

and then u can corrupt to get even higher

[mental bluff]

I got a 33% crit dmg and 19% crit rate

In my birb

Without trying

[marble adder]

u can get shit like this

[mental bluff]

Thats busted but the critical chance is meh

[mental bluff]

Is that yours btw ?

[marble adder]

nah

[marble adder]

my best is

[mental bluff]

I got 100% crit rate dante without deadeye

[mental bluff]

Corrupt him

[marble adder]

its already corrupted gng

[mental bluff]

And btw goku better with black spirit

[marble adder]

ik

[mental bluff]

Dis u get 3 ?

[marble adder]

old old ss

[marble adder]

it says bro

[mental bluff]

Then this must be ass before corrupting right v

[night storm]

Skill issue, legend stage channel is there for a reason

[mental bluff]

Bro sybau

[mental bluff]

No one takes you in the team if you dont have monarch

[marble adder]

its an old ss i have better familiars now i js had this and i put it on goku cus he is only good water in this game

[night storm]

This is mine

On dante

[marble adder]

good for dante

[mental bluff]

Nice

[night storm]

Yeah

I want a high roll corrupt 3 one

To put on my yhwach

[mental bluff]

Btw guys is the 4% chance of lfelt is in any legend stage or it needs to be ex stage ?

[marble adder]

4% elphelt is ex stage 2% from legend stage 1-3/story

[mental bluff]

No need for nightmare ?

U sure its 1-3 story only ?

[marble adder]

1-3 legend stage

and story 1-6

[mental bluff]

And story ?

Story is easiest way right ?

[marble adder]

idk i js afked legend stage and got shiny elphelt that way

[night storm]

I want that baddie

Gime