#L felt actually a balanced idea of the ability instead of being op nor bad

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delicate hollow
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wiki is wrong

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they prob forgot to change it

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I literally checked it by myself

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but if you want to get a trustable source do it yourself

maiden quail
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Its local 1s cd now

distant blaze
delicate hollow
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Yup

main wedge
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now that is a twist

maiden quail
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this is the point where i say wydm its always said local 1s cd

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main wedge
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yeah its always said that what do you mean guys, no one changed it

neat ore
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how does this work with 1s cd

main wedge
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you still need a full meter to use it so

neat ore
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oh yeah

loud elbow
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I made a suggestion even

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And maybe to boss event shops as a one-time purchase

maiden quail
main wedge
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do it NOW g money

loud elbow
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Confirmed

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I’m telling everyone

delicate hollow
glacial garnet
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ur genuinely overexaggerating the ability being "bad"

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at the end of the day it still instakills non boss enemies and does decent damage to bosses

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and besides every other unit with a nuke doesnt have dps as high as lfelt anyway

delicate hollow
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dang bro yall making me repeat everything

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the ability rn is bad

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yeah it can instaa kill normal enemies

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but you are better by using any other unit

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its true that not any unit has as high as a dps like her with a nuke

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but in order to make her use the nuke she will need to lose some of that precious dps

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also 2 enemies used on boss its not a decent dmg

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literally you get more damage by bringing any dps that is not monarch but actually by being constant

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so if monarch her ability will become useless since she needs the tension to loop for the dps

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if not monarch

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only can be used for long gamemodes

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which in the end you are better by bringing any type of support of you want to get more time

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I can also include that she can only do it 3 times

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so neither short gamemodes or long gamemodes will ever find her ability useful

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so no im not overexaggerating

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its the truth

idle comet
delicate hollow
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crazy how a dude soloed legend stage ex without monarch vsjw nor l felt

idle comet
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monarch yawatch

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?

distant blaze
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Makes sense

distant blaze
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Your suggestion just promotes stall in inf and makes inf lb runs more miserable

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Which isnt good

lone gulch
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More likely it's going to remain untouched because for what it is, for where it is, it's in an alright spot

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It's not cracking the game in half like it used to

distant blaze
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The pvp aspect should remain untouched tbh

lone gulch
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And it's at least a little more usable on non-monarchs and still serves a purpose as an "oh crap" panic button if you have one in the pocket because you aren't micro-managing all 3 Lfelts

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Even in PvP

distant blaze
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I cant really suggest on what an ability revamp would look like because i dont know anything about guilty gear or what she does

lone gulch
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The argument of "oh, the easiest counter is just to space out your enemy sends" just doesn't make any sense because like... Shouldn't you be rewarded for figuring out how to counter your opponent's options? Especially their strongest ones?

delicate hollow
delicate hollow
idle comet
delicate hollow
delicate hollow
idle comet
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just showing how op love shot was

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🔥

delicate hollow
lone gulch
delicate hollow
lone gulch
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It kinda is

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I don't see why that's such a bad point against love shot

delicate hollow
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so you know the range of it right?

lone gulch
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Yes?

idle comet
delicate hollow
lone gulch
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A player spaces out their spawns and successfully counters someone banking on their panic button card

idle comet
lone gulch
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I fail to see why this is a bad thing

delicate hollow
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ohhhh i see what you saying now i understand now what is your point

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but its way too confusing

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since you were against the idea and argumented against it

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so you used my own example and put it against me

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ok so

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yeah if everyone knows how to counter her then how is she viable

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theres literally no reason to use her unless she is a monarch in pvp

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byaken is always banned so im not gonna suggest replacing it with her

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but astolfo dawg

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he doesnt even get banned on ranked that oftenly

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they prioritize monarchs

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even if it is traitless

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vsjw

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ywach

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byaken

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aizen

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literally every single good dps will get banned

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not the support

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but lets say in the case astolfo gets banned

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kazzy

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literally gives you more opportunities and also freezes if im not wrong

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dam bro following each step of how to get 937 kills on tournament is kinda hard

lone gulch
delicate hollow
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dam bro if not everyone knows how to counter thats insane, literally even my younger brother that he is not einstein could resolve that, but yk lets give you the case the people are like they live in fahrenheit 451 meaning that they need a youtuber to actually know how to counter it

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if this actually happens then how could they probably send out enemies

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like normal people see this once and they will already know how to counter her the next time

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which in the larger scale most of em will know how to counter her

lone gulch
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five minutes in questions sometimes and it's clear pepeLmao

delicate hollow
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im taking minutes because im doing some external things besides this, not my life goes around discord just so you know

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anyways

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the part of "then how are they viable" this specific case the unit will become useless, i would like you to give me some examples besides her

delicate hollow
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a kid could even catch onto it after maximum 3 times

lone gulch
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Vergil: Countered by sending immunity units because he loses out on like 80% of his dps
Yamamoto (and vsjw, to some extents): countered by sending a beefy absorption enemy

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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are we ong giving those examples

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if you can send high hp immunity enemies you could of have won a long time ago

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yamamoto, have you actually seen anyone use yamamoto on pvp? like being fr

manic wharf
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ye ppl use yamamoto

glacial garnet
delicate hollow
manic wharf
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immunity costs inf yen

maiden quail
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immunity so expensive when the modifier that makes follow ups deal 75% less dmg exists

manic wharf
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cant even say anything about pvp

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cuz gamemode isnt relevant enough to fix before 6.5

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unfortuntae

delicate hollow
# manic wharf ye ppl use yamamoto

ngl i believed if they used it was for the monarch, never seen anyone use it without monarch, which in most cases they will prioritize banning monarch

neat ore
delicate hollow
neat ore
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all it takes is 1 absorption modifier

maiden quail
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yea yama is a throw pick

delicate hollow
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of all the units picking yamamoto is insane

neat ore
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i lost against a yamamoto once in pvp

delicate hollow
neat ore
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that was when i was figuring out how to play pvp

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i didn't know about the modifiers

delicate hollow
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have you ever lost against yamamoto?

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after that

neat ore
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no

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actually it might not only be the yamamoto

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he had some pretty other good units

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P.S i banned 6 of his monarchs

delicate hollow
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literally visual proof that some people learn based on trial and error not by only critical think about something

neat ore
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he had more

delicate hollow
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trust me dawg

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i won against a yt that had literally all monarchs on the game

neat ore
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he had along his yamamoto Cid and Alucard and someone else i think

neat ore
delicate hollow
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and he banned all of my monarchs

neat ore
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i won against someone that had monarch goku and monarch buu

manic wharf
neat ore
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with ragna

delicate hollow
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crazy

neat ore
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and vergil

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no traits vergil

maiden quail
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it broke in such a weird way😭

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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i believe people with monarchs just rely on their units way too much

neat ore
delicate hollow
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and not actually using strats

neat ore
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vsjw gets countered so hard tbh

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just use mind control with absorption

delicate hollow
neat ore
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counters his whole kit

delicate hollow
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ong

maiden quail
manic wharf
delicate hollow
maiden quail
manic wharf
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30min games that u could 🥭 👍

maiden quail
neat ore
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guy with 4 monarchs looking at my 10000x hp Red ant slowly approach their base

delicate hollow
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if they could perhaps understand my reasoning behind it they will most likely agree with me

lone gulch
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Behind what?

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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but her ability got nerfed around inf not pvp no?

lone gulch
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Love shot changes?

delicate hollow
lone gulch
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They already understand the reasoning behind it. And disagree with it. KEK

maiden quail
neat ore
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you can loveshot 3 times

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just place 3 lfelts

manic wharf
neat ore
manic wharf
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ppl forgeting somethings its so funny

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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lfelt is permaban anyway

lone gulch
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They don't have to say why

maiden quail
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yea her and medea make pvp unplayable

delicate hollow
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true

lone gulch
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Other than "she's balanced now."

neat ore
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u shouldn't ban monarch vsjw

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so you can mind control him and win

delicate hollow
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dps wise yeah she is balanced her ability in the other hand

manic wharf
lone gulch
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The ability's balanced too.

neat ore
lone gulch
neat ore
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so mind control sucks

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cuz u can always resell

manic wharf
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vsjw is just op anyway

neat ore
manic wharf
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atleast on trait

neat ore
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mind control puts their unit on ur side

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a.k.a

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he becomes on the track

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it should be how it works

manic wharf
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and hp scaling is trash on it

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doesnt matter

neat ore
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isn't it a bug

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how you can resell it

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it shouldn't let you do that

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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well u resell it to get yen

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not to delete the unit frm your track

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she is good for pvp

neat ore
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yeah if reselling a unit makes them disappear when mind controlled

lone gulch
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He breaks down the monarch part for Shotgun Loop

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that part had nothing to do with the ability

neat ore
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monarch vsjw should be higher than monarch yhwach on the tl

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ngl

delicate hollow
neat ore
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you can just resell him and keep spawning his bears for an easy 200k dmg

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at upgrade 1

maiden quail
lone gulch
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I can't anymore

neat ore
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i have yhwach

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monarch

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but vsjw is broken

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like actual broken

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200k hp summons at upg 0

delicate hollow
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dont givve up

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you can do it

neat ore
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spamming vsjw bear is the new meta

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for tournaments

delicate hollow
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real

neat ore
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for cid raid

delicate hollow
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im trying to get top 1 on traitless tournament

manic wharf
maiden quail
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its meta this tournament because enemies have resilient😭

delicate hollow
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with some youtuber strat but im struggling

neat ore
manic wharf
delicate hollow
neat ore
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cuz he is broken

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litteraly

manic wharf
maiden quail
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i think its in a fine spot
nothing insane, but a solid ability

manic wharf
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w/o bear spam he was still broken

neat ore
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bro

manic wharf
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still is

neat ore
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monarch vsjw

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200k+ dmg every bear at upg 0

manic wharf
delicate hollow
manic wharf
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and bear spam being better than full iron duo nuke in esdeath

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also isnt fair

manic wharf
neat ore
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serves as a good early

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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it was never fine

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but ppl just didnt use it

delicate hollow
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ah

manic wharf
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but it kinda doesnt matter

neat ore
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in cid raid

manic wharf
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oh for mobs

neat ore
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ofc

manic wharf
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ye but who cares about that

neat ore
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i mean

manic wharf
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he was always used like that for mobs

neat ore
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not always per-se

delicate hollow
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so uh

manic wharf
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time tournament was about

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spaming summons

delicate hollow
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can someone recommend me a team for trait tournament but without yhwach monarch

neat ore
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i litteraly can't advance in this tournament

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cuz i don't have monarch vjsw

delicate hollow
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do traitless

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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is a bit easier

neat ore
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they are the same difficulty

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same hp mobs

maiden quail
delicate hollow
# neat ore no

if you follow opx or however the youtuber is called you can get 937 kills

delicate hollow
maiden quail
neat ore
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hmm

manic wharf
delicate hollow
manic wharf
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it was just bad idea tho

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or like good idea but impossible to pull of with how the game works

maiden quail
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Even without vsjw time attack still would have sucked
Was kinda just a bad gamemode idea

manic wharf
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ye

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u would need to time abilities attacks etc

neat ore
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ngl putting the blame on another person is crazy

maiden quail
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It's a joke😭

neat ore
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bro

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he got actual dms

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people took it seriously

maiden quail
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Yea this community is not sane

neat ore
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anime tower defense genre

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when was this genre ever sane

manic wharf
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who sane plays tournament early week

delicate hollow
# maiden quail You can use it for 1k yen, just place a lfelt and let her attack to build it Can...

ok so lets put multiple scenarios of which you will need to use her ability,
lets put pvp first, great for leaks of enemy summons, easy to counter you are better by using anything else, lets say to deal against bosses, its literally 200% normal mob hp which is only 2 enemies so no it cant chunk bosses, insta killing 20 enemies anywhere could be fine if you are talking about infinite but just a reminder any slow, stun, astolfo, byaken literally any support based unit can help you endure more which killing 20 enemies the most it will do will delay 5, but with supports it will delay it way more.

delicate hollow
neat ore
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i didn't evo byeken

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i don't wanna do 10 chaos broooo

delicate hollow
neat ore
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atleast not until i finish my exams

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im just taking a break rn

delicate hollow
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what top is the 1st one of your traitless lb

neat ore
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idk smwhere around 200

delicate hollow
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DAWG

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YOU DONT EVEN NEED BYAKEN

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go try it

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trust

neat ore
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my highscore is like 137

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i tried it

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im buns

lone gulch
neat ore
neat ore
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wasn't he top 1 anyways

lone gulch
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I dunno

neat ore
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reporting a bug then taking the blame for it

delicate hollow
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probably he got beaten out of 1st place

manic wharf
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it had to get reset

lone gulch
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But there was a pretty glaring bug where restarting removed the Strong modifier

manic wharf
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it happens for like 10th time anyway

lone gulch
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So you just go in, restart, and mobs had like half hp

neat ore
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DANGG

delicate hollow
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since he literally takes advantages of bugs to actually get to 1st place so probably if the bugs dont give him advantage to him but to others he will complain

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but lets hope not

neat ore
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oh naw

delicate hollow
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lets hope he just did it because he actually thought it was unfair for everyone

neat ore
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i don't even have medea

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im super cooked

delicate hollow
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its a gem banner character

neat ore
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i know

delicate hollow
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yeah nah bro you are soo cooked

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im top 11 in trait lb

lone gulch
delicate hollow
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im soo cooked

lone gulch
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So he could make an accurate video for people too

delicate hollow
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in the video he showed how he did the bug tho

lone gulch
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Because the LB wasn't getting reset at the time

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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true

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anyways

manic wharf
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been a while where u had to reset run to fight proper boss set

delicate hollow
delicate hollow
manic wharf
lone gulch
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I am open minded. However I still disagree with everything here and I can't be assed to continue debating it

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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diavolo doesnt delete 100 mobs

delicate hollow
delicate hollow
manic wharf
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she can

delicate hollow
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20 limit

manic wharf
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they also scale w enemy

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hp

delicate hollow
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only 3 uses

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60 insta kill

manic wharf
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o they added 20

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ye good

delicate hollow
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600% hp of the summons

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6 enemies

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so 66 enemies at most

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so where did you get 100 dawg

manic wharf
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well they nerfed her ig

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idc too much what they did

delicate hollow
delicate hollow
manic wharf
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why?

delicate hollow
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aw man

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i need to explain it again

delicate hollow
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to make it more simpler

manic wharf
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i gotta see what it does exactly after nerfs 😭

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i mean in pvp its good either way

delicate hollow
delicate hollow
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send enemies in different time lapses

manic wharf
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local cd?

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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oh thats even better then

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well how u wanna win vs some1 that does have her when u dont?

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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assuming u send unkillable ants

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he does the same after u

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he kills w eflelt u dont

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u just lose?

delicate hollow
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if you have l felt you have astolfo

manic wharf
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astolfo will slow for a bit only 😭 ?

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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idk if aoe size got nerfed but u gotta do quite big gaps between ants

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and some abilities help to align them anyway

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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either way pvp is terrible

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wait for fix

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legit cant do anything

delicate hollow
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true

lone gulch
manic wharf
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think about anything

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etc

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cuz game is fully different than it should be

lone gulch
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aoe size was fixed day 1

manic wharf
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it wasnt tho ?

lone gulch
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it's about the same size as oathbreaker iirc

manic wharf
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atleast in pvp

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oh

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it was bigger?

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wtf

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ig i never used unnerfed aoe

delicate hollow
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i explained a couple of hours ago in a more detailed way how in pvp she is like not good

manic wharf
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well i countered

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her

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but

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ppl just trolled so

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as i said current meta

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makes it impossible to judge anything

delicate hollow
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true

maiden quail
delicate hollow
manic wharf
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mby if possible they could buff ants scaling

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so they get to high hp faster so games arent 30min if its small change thats double before update

lone gulch
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That's the point of the hp multiplier

manic wharf
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i somehow killed 15m hp ants

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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i have killed 20m without monarchs and without l felt

manic wharf
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and it scales to slow atm

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but biggest issue is still mind control

maiden quail
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for traitless at least you can send unkillables by wave 20

manic wharf
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thats not true

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😭

maiden quail
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it is

manic wharf
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every single game i played near diamond looks 1 to 1 same

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its really not

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ur not sending 15m ants by wave 20

maiden quail
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you dont need to
modifiers exist

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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like which ones

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you are not getting enough money to give 5 multipliers to a high hp mob

maiden quail
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if they run full aoes resilient + overshield makes the full aoes no longer deal dmg
you can add a bunch of fast so they have less time to deal dmg
you can add honest if they have nukes

maiden quail
delicate hollow
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so basically by not upgrading

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just send not that big of a threat to the enemy so they will need to waste money

manic wharf
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reislent is easy to counter

maiden quail
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yea
you dont really need to place units unless they do pushes

lone gulch
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You get so much economy 😭

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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thats true

maiden quail
lone gulch
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And the basic enemies are nearly irrelevant

lone gulch
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but then you play ranked traitless

maiden quail
lone gulch
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where neither are available

manic wharf
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atm its like this

  1. go in send ants for econ
  2. max all 6 of your units
  3. send 15m full fast units w countering modfieirs
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0 coutnerplay

lone gulch
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and traitless is just more fun anyways

maiden quail
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if you dont ban lucy you are just asking for games to go forever

manic wharf
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if some1 sends ants u just kill them

lone gulch
manic wharf
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i tried to end games earlier

delicate hollow
manic wharf
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full def just wins

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cuz u get too much econ

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and ants dont scale fast enough

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but thats bcs mind control doesnt work anyway

manic wharf
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it was fine before

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just good econ change made bad by bug

lone gulch
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I think the idea of traitless is just far more enjoyable and interesting

manic wharf
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im playing traitless

lone gulch
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even outside of PvP

manic wharf
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my trait is too high

delicate hollow
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traitless is like fun but to be honest traits its way easier

manic wharf
delicate hollow
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people only rely on monarchs

manic wharf
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i mean i think there is some way to end game earlier but not really

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100% sure u can counter those ways

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easly

delicate hollow
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im gonna try do the 937 kills again brb

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did a good run

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not 937 but a good run

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im first by 12 kills

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im getting passed tmr 100%

steep granite
# neat ore he got actual dms

Ye shi was crazy but tbh I liked the DMS

Alot of them made me laugh - just thinking how serious ppl take a Roblox game just made it even funnier

steep granite
delicate hollow
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why is bro here 😭

lone gulch
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"pls pyseph just a single tourney reset...." ahh

delicate hollow
steep granite
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I'll wait to find you in my bracket

lone gulch
steep granite
lone gulch
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man half the time I'm too lazy to do tourney

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unless they stick a baller af skin in there

steep granite
lone gulch
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LMAO

loud elbow
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Nerf esdeath

delicate hollow
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Buff l felt ability

manic wharf
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buff frieren

gilded mirage
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nerf obito

loud elbow