Why AV is dying

[unique sand]

They're gonna be waiting a while

[humble fossil]

bro the game was averaging 70k a month and a half ago and now its down to 25k

[fallen timber]

Yea...

[hollow sparrow]

You could say it's declining because of ALS, however it's not dying

[viscid lynx]

wouldnt say declining because of ALS
i just feel like this update wasnt up to standard and everyone started just moving everywhere

[edgy lance]

it is not bc of als

this upd was just about a game.l that not too much the players here know about

and on top of it being paired with a pvp upd

in a atd game

not a good mix

although the models and other stuff are good

[hollow sparrow]

I say declining because the game's still getting updated at a consistent basis
A game begins to die when it stops getting updated often & when the playerbase leaves

[edgy lance]

it was also super buggy on release

theyve been just doing whatever they please

and thats starting to look eh

[hollow sparrow]

Same could be said about 5.0, however I get what you're talking about

[edgy lance]

yeah 5.0 was just a massive disservice and disappointment

[hollow sparrow]

5.0 started this games decline imo

[edgy lance]

yeah

they didnt know shit about db

[hollow sparrow]

imo 5.0 and 6.0 are equal to one another

[edgy lance]

since they didnt watch it

[hollow sparrow]

two average at best updates

[edgy lance]

and made bp units way stronger than the main upd units

nerfing the rr cap prob deterred some peeps as well

since they see
nerf and rr in the same sentence

their brain prob went overdrive

[hollow sparrow]

I believe if they start releasing stable updates, they'll be fine

[edgy lance]

yeah

this upd took a month

and it even delayed a day on the supposed release day

and it was still buggy as fuck

[hollow sparrow]

This is where I'd put every update on a tier list

I'd probably move 5.5 above 6.0 if I had to make any changes to it, I don't remember 5.5 being as buggy compared to 5.0/6.0

I’ll also move 6.0 accordingly depending on how 6.5 is

[viscid lynx]

i feel like 6.0 should be below the DBZ one (forgot which one it was i think it was 4.5?)

dante and vergil were heavy carries for that update

[wide rover]

sbr should be in worst and cid upd should be in bad

[viscid lynx]

and i would swap 0.5 with sbr since i personally found the sbr units more enjoyable wthen the DS units (even tho valentine is ass i still feel like he would of had a unique gimmick and diego was really cool)

[viscid lynx]

nah nothing can top dandandan

no other update should be in worst

[abstract kite]

Sbr was worse than ddd

Lowkey

[viscid lynx]

disagree tbh

[abstract kite]

The DDD stage wasnt as terrible as the sbr raid

[wide rover]

dandadan atleast had a decently fun stage and diavolo, sbr literally had nothing

[abstract kite]

Sturdy mechanic is the worst feature atd has ever seen

[hollow sparrow]

5.0 imo was worse because Odyssey was a garbage gamemode

[viscid lynx]

ye odyssey is pretty poop, but dante and vergil heavy carried that upd
i would put it in bad if it wasnt for them tbh

[abstract kite]

5.0 was a good update, good units, good new features, odyssey is good now but I guess sure it sucked back then.
challenges got a completely new coat of paint

[humble fossil]

it lost 75% of its playerbase in 2 months and its still going down, a week ago it was averaging 30k-32k now its 26k

[abstract kite]

One mainstream anime it goes back to like 60-65k

it wont matter

[primal flint]

Not the worst, and still a good amount of players

[hollow sparrow]

Not really, 4 weeks for six units

[humble fossil]

yes i agree and 25k platyers is still very good but considering how much its dropping its bad

[abstract kite]

Vergil and dante though, some of the most well recieved units we have gotten ever

good familiars too shame they were just overshadowed by 5.5

Like the other guy said though without vergil/dante it wouldnt be that good of an update

[hollow sparrow]

I agree, they were the only part of the update that was great imo. Everything else was either fine (DBZ content & Challenges) or was garbage (Odyssey)

[abstract kite]

True but odyssey is better now, had a rough start but the real bad in the update got rectified in one .5 update

5.0 has had an afterglow but on release yeah it was mediocre at best

[hollow sparrow]

that’s why 5.5 is better imo

[primal flint]

Didn't like them

[abstract kite]

Id rate 5.5 higher cause of birb and the familiar rolls

[humble fossil]

theyre just a unit wym u didnt like them

[abstract kite]

and ig the odyssey changes

[hollow sparrow]

I’ll adjust 6.0 depending on how 6.5 is

[abstract kite]

3 units 1 of them being total dogshit for anything but wl and odyssey (delta)

[hollow sparrow]

6.5 could completely overhaul PvP like 5.5 did with Odyssey

[abstract kite]

I think 6.5 will be a huge success

cause its going back to the tried and tested and not this notion that we need more modes and shit

[hollow sparrow]

I believe so as well

[abstract kite]

just standard portals with new units, no risks with a niche anime

[abstract kite]

Idk about this tbh

[wide rover]

mixed unit updates are the most consistent so probably

[abstract kite]

i feel like they wont have done enough for 6.5

maybe by 7.0 cause PVP needs a LOT and the devs dont seem to address the actual main flaw of pvp

[hollow sparrow]

It’s ranked or nothing

[abstract kite]

not being the gameplay, being how rewarding it is to play cause rn its like one of the worst modes you can play

in terms of farming stuff in game

[humble fossil]

fr and its boring asl

[abstract kite]

Yeah defense mode is cool but it doesnt even give out coins

[humble fossil]

and once u even reach a sort of high rank like diamond u cant evn find a game

[abstract kite]

frl cause nobody is playing it

[hollow sparrow]

PvP would benefit from <5 minute rounds

[abstract kite]

devs are scared of 🥭 ruining pvp but

nobody using that shit will win a match

just make it so you dont get coins if you lose and the problem is solved

[abstract kite]

Either this or 3x the coin rate

[humble fossil]

fr

[abstract kite]

15 from iron, and goes up by 5 every 2 ranks

[humble fossil]

u can play pvp for an hour winning every match and get 1 rr

[toxic scaffold]

20k is dying

[abstract kite]

You should be rewarded greatly for grinding to vanguard, making it easy to clear out the shop for familiar rrs and trait rrs weekly

[primal flint]

Just like that, the design/mechanic weren't my style + it was battle pass unit+ didnt know who they were. The vibes of the units of this update are really cool (for me), even if I don't know them, a good discovery. For me this up is much better then the one with Dante/Virgil

[toxic scaffold]

av was a dying game when fate updt came out n that had 20k players

[humble fossil]

😭 its a unit bro fym the design wasnt your style

[abstract kite]

People are also mad that they dont seem to really listen to the community as much anymore

I know als rarely listens to its community but

they are now doing biweekly updates and people are happy about it

[toxic scaffold]

they never did

it was just a rouse

[abstract kite]

I feel like they did when av had competition

[primal flint]

?? It's important

[hollow sparrow]

ALS is too busy shoving weekly slop out to their playerbase, no need to sneak

[toxic scaffold]

they didnt

[abstract kite]

But av devs dont seem to see als as competition

[toxic scaffold]

they followed the portals trend because it was popular not bc of the community

[abstract kite]

thats the thing lol they actually working to better that slop, hopefully it kicks av into gear to start working like they done during the aa comeback

[humble fossil]

the unit could be a back wall and it wouldnt matter to me anyway

[wide rover]

they do but they just mainly add qol and no actually important suggestions

[hollow sparrow]

It isn’t but it is

[toxic scaffold]

whats one qol theyve added from suggestions

[abstract kite]

True and all the shadow changes they have been making recently

I say shadow cause they use the excuse "It was intentional/planned just hadnt been added yet"

[primal flint]

Not for me, I won't be able x). But it's more the vibes when I am talking design

[hollow sparrow]

yeah that’s a load of ass coming from them

[abstract kite]

How naive is anyone to believe that the cid raid was bugged for a month and never fixed if they really meant for it to be that way

[wide rover]

the "$x cost till upgrade" one, gold from infinite, theres a few more i just dont remember

[abstract kite]

Frl id rather complete honesty and have them say its to stop the 🥭 issue on act 2

[hollow sparrow]

That’s like if Relogic fixed hoiking because it was a bug

[toxic scaffold]

you’d think such a detrimental mechanic to the raid would be fixed instantly

[abstract kite]

Its their excuse av make to produce controversial changes and not accept responsibility

[toxic scaffold]

i can assure you those qol features were already in the works before anyone ever suggested it

[abstract kite]

Real, and communicated

[toxic scaffold]

they disguise it as listening to the community

but they’ve had it prepared for months and just wait for people to suggest it

[abstract kite]

Not to mention the whole rr cap debacle, while it was much needed, it was just a U-turn and was poorly implemented cause of how many bugs it caused

[toxic scaffold]

so they can get praise for listening

[abstract kite]

Im happy it got added but the launch and the lack of communication was bleak

[wide rover]

sometimes yes but not always, regardless the devs will usually take the easy way out and implement the easier/obvious suggestions and leave out the important ones

[hollow sparrow]

I’m convinced the AV devs don’t know what the meta is like

[toxic scaffold]

all of the things theyve afded

are the easier and obvious ones

[abstract kite]

Definitely not cause look at how lfelt was balanced

Pre nerf vergil too

(he done 360k dps before he was quickly changed lol)

[wide rover]

they called pre buff cid a top 3 unit so yeah they definitely dont know whats going on

[abstract kite]

"we wont do cid dirty"

makes him an inf only unit pretty much

[hollow sparrow]

Love Shot had 40 range, was able to hit unlimited enemies, and had unlimited uses

[wide rover]

not to mention making yhwach x3 better than every other fate or bleach unit

[hollow sparrow]

They made it so his follow up attack consistently targeted the enemy you wanted to target iirc

[abstract kite]

Bro i seen people using her with byeken to continuously clear waves by pulling enemies in while loveshot was on cd

[hollow sparrow]

I believe ‘ya

[abstract kite]

Im pretty sure at a point his dt was bugged it would actually follow up on any enemy that wasnt stunned

I read that somewhere

But yeah his follow ups used to be just random and would go crazy

[hollow sparrow]

Vergil’s actually a better boss killer now

[abstract kite]

Yeah hes the 2nd best dps in the game situationally

[wide rover]

he aint

[abstract kite]

overall best dps against a boss

and vergil is very very useful for odyssey

which is worth grinding

[hollow sparrow]

I’d say Yhwach, Vergil, and Sol are the best DPS units in the game

[abstract kite]

yhwach is top full aoe, vergil top dps and sol is good on longer modes

thats my take on it ig

[toxic scaffold]

game sux

[primal flint]

Why not vsjw

[abstract kite]

considering you need sol at max for his dps to be useful, he doesnt go well with other monarchs in a 15 wave mode with less money

[hollow sparrow]

VSJWs more of a boss killer than a DPS imo

[abstract kite]

vergil can dish out great dps at upg 5

[primal flint]

And for Gogeta?

[toxic scaffold]

he sucks

[abstract kite]

Gogeta is solid too just expensive

[toxic scaffold]

dont bother mentioning that bum

[hollow sparrow]

Nah Gogeta has better DPS than VSJW

[abstract kite]

Gogeta does NOT suck

My gogeta does more than the average sol

[toxic scaffold]

he mid

[abstract kite]

(120k)

avg sol dmg is 110k

dps

[toxic scaffold]

and he gets cleared by almost everyone 🥒

[abstract kite]

If you have a good birb gogeta can go to the moon

[toxic scaffold]

almost like every unit

[abstract kite]

we are forgetting hes super meta for progressives, inf, odyssey, literally any mode

[toxic scaffold]

😱

[hollow sparrow]

Elphelt could be top tier if her DPS wasn’t so wonky

[abstract kite]

can tp around the map with boundless damage in range

[humble fossil]

gogeta is goated

[toxic scaffold]

hes not meta for progressives

[abstract kite]

Anyone who says gogeta is bad just doesnt have him monarch lol

[humble fossil]

30k placement inf range

[abstract kite]

200k dmg by like upgrade 6-7 that can tp around the map and have 20% spa reduction that can crit with the right familiar

[abstract kite]

I thought she was top tier

[toxic scaffold]

he not even used in infs

[humble fossil]

yes he is

[abstract kite]

?????

DD inf??? shibuya inf???

He is required for those infinites

[hollow sparrow]

I’d say she’s high meta. Love shot has potential to wreck bosses

[toxic scaffold]

he not 🤣

[abstract kite]

Is the wiki tier list even accurate for optimal trait

im rolling on her bc i dont have anyone else to roll on tho

[hollow sparrow]

Wiki tier list was never accurate imo

[abstract kite]

the overall one was always buns

Idek how much dps elphelt does now i heard some say 99k

[hollow sparrow]

I don’t recommend anyone to use a tier list where Buu is put in meta

[abstract kite]

True tbh

Ill never understand the buu hype

Took one look at him in 5.0 and knew he was a pile of garbage

[hollow sparrow]

Buu fucking sucks outside of 30 wave gamemodes

[abstract kite]

Not to mention being the worst pvp unit

and i mean

the WORST

[willow vortex]

It be like that sometimes

[abstract kite]

Fr even with the familiar he needs

[hollow sparrow]

All because he can’t retain any candy stacks after transforming

[humble fossil]

hes one of the best inf units man

[willow vortex]

I will say, they have banned alot of bots, if they didnt i still feel like they would have 40k ish

[abstract kite]

Kazzy being below bridget too in the tier list

wtf

Id rank her #3 in the upd lol

behind baiken and elphelt

[hollow sparrow]

Bridget imo is low meta/high submeta

[abstract kite]

She doesnt seem that special

all dps, does nothing at all really besides her yo yo thing

[hollow sparrow]

Bridget’s pretty much DPS Katakuri

If you can commit to her, she can be a good boss killer

[willow vortex]

What does she do again?

[abstract kite]

I just think kazzy x vergil is an insane combo

[abstract kite]

Freeze, has rlly good damage for a freeze unit, inflicts bubbled (30% debuff)

[hollow sparrow]

Dizzy does alot of things well

[willow vortex]

Guess thats the point tho, u get monarch you have a movable nuker, idk if tier list takes into account crazy comboes

[abstract kite]

I think it does cause gogeta is as high as he is

But even then its all based on the modes

imo a tier list should be made for each mode

[hollow sparrow]

Freeze, Manual Cleanse, Bubbleds even an okay damage amp

[toxic scaffold]

isnt he multihit

[abstract kite]

like progressives, longer 20 wave raids, cid raid, dungeons etc

odyssey

[abstract kite]

Yeah but freeze

[willow vortex]

I see i see

[abstract kite]

also idk if judgement cut end is multi or single

[toxic scaffold]

theres better freeze

[abstract kite]

Who dont also function as debuffers and half decent dps units

[abstract kite]

Manual cleanse too

i forgot about that

its literally BROKEN as hell

[willow vortex]

I get why alot of ppl didn’t like the ggs update, i did cuz i know the characters and like i cant find them in any other td, but i can see why most ppl would have preferred it be a smaller update like a raid or smth

But to be fair, this isnt the first av drought

[hollow sparrow]

I feel like I’m part of the vocal minority who doesn’t care what the update is based on, as long as the gameplays good then we’re chilling

[willow vortex]

Man i still remember the 5k ccu arc

[abstract kite]

I actually dont really care either

cause I havent seen alot of the animes that will ever get added lol

[upbeat tusk]

I stuck with the game out of complete cope 🗣️ 🔥

[willow vortex]

Oh nah i feel you, but unfortunately a-lot of pol have the mindset of “i only come back if i like the characyers”

[willow vortex]

Aa was treatin me bad av was spoiling me

[hollow sparrow]

idc for Bleach yet it has my favorite update in this game

[upbeat tusk]

Though I loved tournaments back when it was almost dead

[upbeat tusk]

Fr I have 12 monarchs f2p deadass

[willow vortex]

I shoulda done them when i had the chance

[abstract kite]

If a unit looks cool then I enjoy it

[willow vortex]

My luck aint as good, i have 3 accross 2 accs

[abstract kite]

Only upd they can really add to make me actually care about the units and want to get shiny and shit would be berserk

[willow vortex]

But i dont spend alot of money so it dont bother me too much

[abstract kite]

or tokyo ghoul

[hollow sparrow]

I’ve spent maybe $80 on this game

[willow vortex]

For me its tensura 🙏🏾 i jus wanna see av do rimuru justice with some sick ass passives

[abstract kite]

The one thing I do hate though is seeing the same shit done like every atd does

[willow vortex]

Ive bought… 4 bp…. And 2 akin bundles so about the same for me

[willow vortex]

Als core

[abstract kite]

Als pumps out enough slop to the point they will have every anime updated 2x over

[hollow sparrow]

That’s why I’ll forever believe AV is better than ALS

[willow vortex]

Like i played it a decent ammount and it just wore me out cuz i wanted to play fate but there gen was jus too much to do

So many evoes

So much to catch up on

[upbeat tusk]

Generally shocked they can still find characters to add each upd

[abstract kite]

Av got the quality so easy

[willow vortex]

I got 3x speed and i still dont have enough time 😭

[hollow sparrow]

ALS content to me is meaningless

[abstract kite]

Als only has quantity and dopamine maxxing with the trait rr system

giving out 50 rrs for logging in for the day

like what

[willow vortex]

Like dare i say i like how av at least tries to be unique

[upbeat tusk]

A true battle of quantity vs quality between the two

[abstract kite]

Fr i actually got decent units too to catch up

but i just cant be bothered

[toxic scaffold]

id rather have updates that deserve their update times in content vs av

[upbeat tusk]

I spelt vs wrong 4 times lmao

[willow vortex]

I got like 2 glitches but they aint even that good

[hollow sparrow]

AV tries to have some soul put into their game

[abstract kite]

thats why 6.0 was a failed launch, the quality was actually terrible on launch due to the bugs

fixed now but still not a good look

[toxic scaffold]

except it takes 3 weeks for 3 days of content

[willow vortex]

What I’m sayin

[abstract kite]

i played that shit when the boss just took over, i got like a legendary glitched

plague man

[hollow sparrow]

Better than the week it takes for ALS to make consistent garbage

[abstract kite]

and itachi glitched but i seen he got an extreme boost

[willow vortex]

I always tell my friend als feels like the “triple aaa” game where as av feels like a indie game that tries but can only do so much

[toxic scaffold]

i’d rather have something to do than wait 3 weeks for maybe 2 days of content

als quality isnt even that ass

[willow vortex]

You do have smth to do? Grind units duh and rerolls

[abstract kite]

6.5 wont be just 2 days of content

it will be a nice long grind for kaguya

[hollow sparrow]

Thankfully I got a backlog of Steam games to play

[abstract kite]

back to portals I cant fucking wait

Not even sarcastic

[toxic scaffold]

something new

to do

[abstract kite]

im sick and tired of playing bs like legend stages

[toxic scaffold]

what units are you grinding

[willow vortex]

Grind in anticipation and build up ur rerolls

[toxic scaffold]

there were like 5 units in this entire update

[upbeat tusk]

Perfect type to advertise my suggestion on portals go look it at 👀

[willow vortex]

5???

[toxic scaffold]

i said something new

[hollow sparrow]

9 but go on

[toxic scaffold]

farming rerolls isnt something new

[abstract kite]

Link me

[willow vortex]

Grind the new updates units? That dont take 3 days buddy unless u grind all dY

In that case you need to take a break

[abstract kite]

Spring shop boutta have 200 rrs life will be good in 6.5

[fleet kraken]

tbh this is why when AV added the cap for challenges, their players dropped by almost 15-20k in like a few weeks

[abstract kite]

The basics is a key for success

[toxic scaffold]

if it takes three weeks

for an update

i have enough gems

for all the units

[upbeat tusk]

Here

[toxic scaffold]

and enoufh evo materials

for all the units

[abstract kite]

Naw it was cause of how buggy the cap was more so than the cap itself

its still buggy

[willow vortex]

Good then you have enough time to complete the update so what are you complaining for?

[toxic scaffold]

it didnt even take three it took 4

[willow vortex]

In als you gotta rush so you can finish update by the next one

[hollow sparrow]

Yall can hate on me for this, but May from Guilty Gear belongs in a summer banner

[willow vortex]

Which happens in a week

[toxic scaffold]

no you dont lol

[willow vortex]

She belons in banner and ramlethal shoulda been another secret

[willow vortex]

Yes you do lol not everyone can spend all day grinding 😭

[toxic scaffold]

bro i spend like 2 hours playing manually

[abstract kite]

Why are we acting like als players are any different, they play the new map once and 🥭 the rest

[toxic scaffold]

you’re overestimating how long updates take to finish

[abstract kite]

thats all atd is

and thats fine

[willow vortex]

Ive lit played the game im speaking from experience

[abstract kite]

1k rrs a day on als

overnight

[willow vortex]

I grinded like 10 updayes tyna get units i wanted

It takes ages with 3x speed

[toxic scaffold]

it doesnt but igh

[hollow sparrow]

Once Borderlands 4 comes out imma be on this game less

[abstract kite]

thats gonna fire off some serious neurones to the opposite of like 50 a day if you really max it out on a 2x in av

[willow vortex]

Me when they drop p4revival in 10 years 🙏🏾

[primal flint]

Same

[vast crescent]

Dont think you can get that post inf nerf lol

[toxic scaffold]

1 day of content for like 1 or 2 weeks compared to 2.5 days of content for 3-4 weeks

[abstract kite]

Im not really in touch with als I just seen you could get 1k rrs a day at one point

[hollow sparrow]

AV gives me the same itch that games like Borderlands and Diablo do

[abstract kite]

Im sure its still very high in the hundreds

[vast crescent]

I dont think its a vocal minority its just a minority. Theres clearly a pretty obvious consensus about gg being the upd theme.

[willow vortex]

And i forgot to even mention you need overlord and above or u cant do shit

At least you can play av

[vast crescent]

Which is fully fair. The entire selling point of the game is being able to use characters you like. Take that away and you get ad or aa.

Doing an update around smth nobody knows is just stupid and wont go well, for obvious reasons.

[toxic scaffold]

reroll farms and 4x luck compared to av

[hollow sparrow]

AV (and all ATDs) should be balancing their gamemodes around traits that’re common (Vigor/Swift/Range)

[vast crescent]

4x is just needed when every unit needs avatar minimum lol

[toxic scaffold]

no shit im saying its not fair to
compare av and als

[willow vortex]

Of course but even with overlord hlf the units are still shit and cant beat most content it just sucks

[vast crescent]

Als doesnt need to, they can balance around avatar just fine

[vast crescent]

Avatar is not difficult to get gang

[hollow sparrow]

ALS would legit be fucked if they tried to change anything about their balancing/trait economy

[willow vortex]

I mean yeah thats true, but even so its just like when you get to a point where you need that it goes grow a td to a straight up simulator imo, feels like pet sim but it is owned by the boss so

[toxic scaffold]

all tds are simulators

[primal flint]

I think having a lot of content to do is really fun, I m actually playing it, the time av drop the next up. It reminds me astd

[willow vortex]

Gang 💔 i know you can get 1000 of rerolls a day but i jus think its insane how common tbose traits are

[upbeat tusk]

Is the power scaling that bad?

[hollow sparrow]

Apparently so, and I believe it

[willow vortex]

I get what you are sayin but i would jus rather play a diff game then jus goin from 1 td to another td, to each their own

[vast crescent]

Theres no issue with it tbh. Sure game is scaled around avatar but thats a 0.4 trait and you get thousands of rrs a week.

[hollow sparrow]

The only two gachashits I play are this and ZZZ casually

[vast crescent]

Av's rr economy works because the game isnt balanced with monarch in mind

[willow vortex]

Im not saying their is, it needs ro gove you 1000 of rerolls esp when theres a 0.03 trait thats basically manditory, im jus saying it astounds me like ill never get used to it

[vast crescent]

Glitched isnt really mandatory avatar works just fine

[toxic scaffold]

wouldnt say that

[hollow sparrow]

Is it me or are the ALS traits lame as fuck

[vast crescent]

Idk how traits can be lame

[willow vortex]

Dude im agreeing with your point that it needs to give you tons of rerolls

[vast crescent]

Thats the idea of it

Works for the most part. Ofc things like ex stage are exceptions.

[willow vortex]

I hate ex stages 🤬

[toxic scaffold]

that in it of itself is bad balancing tbh

[hollow sparrow]

in ALS it’s all just stat bonuses, and it’s more egregious when there’s like 3x more traits in that game than AV

[willow vortex]

Oh yeah i almost forgot about enchants

[primal flint]

The top meta units do more than ~250M DMG, with the best trait without adding enchantment ( a sub trait). Also without their passives/abilities/effects. And each up they do a little more. Updating every week btw

[vast crescent]

Traits are stat bonuses in every game though?

[willow vortex]

Honestly i think its a cool idea in its inception

For double traits

[toxic scaffold]

what other game does traits that are stat bonuses

talking to talk

[willow vortex]

Where games like av and als dont actually have double traits, havibg a slightly weaker niche subtrait sounds like a cool jdea

[hollow sparrow]

I know in Reborn they tried being different with traits

[vast crescent]

Av basically has double traits

[toxic scaffold]

no they didnt

[vast crescent]

The gamble fest of a familiar might as well be

[willow vortex]

Nah they basically unique have 4 diff sub variants

I think they were trying to make it like glitched where it works all rounr

But its rng so

[vast crescent]

It was like the same besides like 3 traits and nobody used heavenly or demon

[toxic scaffold]

that only game that did something similar to traits was anime defenders

[vast crescent]

The top 2 traits were identical

[hollow sparrow]

[vast crescent]

Awtd traits are kinda different

[primal flint]

Astd took more then 2 years to have that powercrip, als did it in 1 year

[toxic scaffold]

wow stat bonuses

😭

[vast crescent]

Yeah gang none of these are usable

Game's been scaling for paladin and above for months now

[hollow sparrow]

They’re more interesting than whatever the fuck ALS is doing

[willow vortex]

Smite me for tbis, but i kinda like the idea of this… just not their execution

[vast crescent]

Well games been dead for months too

[willow vortex]

Yeah

[vast crescent]

How can they be interesting when theyre fucking unusable 💀

[toxic scaffold]

the only game thats been atleast somewhat unique about the whole trait thing is anime defenders

and they have to be usable to count them

[vast crescent]

Their uniqueness was god awful

[toxic scaffold]

im talking about the spirits

[vast crescent]

Oh spirits

Yeah those were decent tbh

[toxic scaffold]

it wasnt just inherent stat bonuses

[willow vortex]

Spirits are kinda like familiars… in their own weird way

[hollow sparrow]

I hate how ALS does traits

[willow vortex]

Or like passives

[toxic scaffold]

every game does it

[vast crescent]

Av does the same

[toxic scaffold]

if anything als has the best balancing because av is god awful easy

[willow vortex]

Guys i dont rhink he meant it like that

[vast crescent]

Reborn does the same, heavenly giving 20% range indirectly doesnt make it unique

[willow vortex]

Wdym?

[vast crescent]

Okay were pushing it now lmao

[primal flint]

By what?

[hollow sparrow]

AV doesn’t have 20 traits to roll on like ALS does

[toxic scaffold]

am i lying?

[vast crescent]

Als is also a breeze so long as you have the most recent unit thats just how these games are

[willow vortex]

Av is jus balanced around most ppl not having amazing luck, but things like cid raid 2 and the god awful ex stage exist for ppl who do get lucky

[hollow sparrow]

Literally how the trait economy works in that game

[vast crescent]

What does that change when the number of traits that are usable is the same

[toxic scaffold]

yeah if 90% its not balanced around traits than the game is sleepily easy

[willow vortex]

Higher modifiers for things like dungeon or oddessy are things you can chose when you have monarchs

[vast crescent]

Sure, als has more fillers traits. The big traits in als are legit more common. What does this do at all.

[willow vortex]

Good i would rather be able to play the game easier then strugge when i dont get lucky

[primal flint]

Nah I like it, X4 luck on traits during update's release/weekend, can get trait in every thing u do at an anormal amount x)

[toxic scaffold]

then whats the point of traits

if 95% of the game you dotn need them

[willow vortex]

To enhance your game play and make it easier

[vast crescent]

Monarch is supposed to make things convinient

[willow vortex]

Also lb and tournaments

[hollow sparrow]

I guarantee you if you asked an ALS player what each trait did in their game, they couldn’t give an answer

[toxic scaffold]

it already is easy

[vast crescent]

And thats lowkey fine

[willow vortex]

Then it makes it easier

[toxic scaffold]

yeah a .1 trait making your game more convenient

fucking dumbass response

[willow vortex]

And again you make things like cid raid 2 more viable

[vast crescent]

What does this prove dawg. Sure, als has slightly more filler traits. What else

[willow vortex]

And ex stage

Which most people who dont get lucky cannot do

They have to grind for longer which you wont because you have monarch

[vast crescent]

Its just the fucking logic behind it?

Game doesnt scale to monarch

[hollow sparrow]

“slightly more filler traits” is a massive understatement

[toxic scaffold]

“yeah the thing you grinded for months makes the game slightly easier despite it being super easy”

[vast crescent]

Monarch makes the game easy to play

[toxic scaffold]

the game is already easy to play

[willow vortex]

Dont get whats so hard to understand lowkey

[toxic scaffold]

you can easily get carried in cid raids and ex stages

[willow vortex]

By people with… guess what… monarchs

[vast crescent]

And that should be prevented how? By making the modes monarch only lol?

[toxic scaffold]

yoy can do it traitless

[willow vortex]

How long will that take?

And no you cannot do ex stage traitless

[toxic scaffold]

wdym how long will that take its the same time as monarch

[willow vortex]

Literally will not but aight

[primal flint]

Nah not really, they does practically the same things

[vast crescent]

Who tf cares dawg 💀 sure, als has 6 more useless traits than av whilst still having better odds for the 2 top traits. Youre the first person ive seen complaint about this.

[toxic scaffold]

it will take about the same time

[vast crescent]

The fuck?

[toxic scaffold]

acting like having monarchs makes it so you skip waves faster

when ur placing in the middle half the time

[vast crescent]

Non monarch units are not clearing in the same time as monarch aizen buddy calm down

[hollow sparrow]

Pretty sure everyone who dislikes ALS would state just how awful the trait system is.
The state of gaming in 2025 istg

[toxic scaffold]

they wouldnt they’d say they dont like how grindy the game is

and how its hard to get into the game

[vast crescent]

The trait system in als is legit just more convenient and f2p than av's, idk what to tell you.

[hollow sparrow]

That and if you ask them about traits, they’d say they hate it

[willow vortex]

🙏🏾

[primal flint]

If u don't kill all the enemies remaining, then it doesn't skip the wave faster

[toxic scaffold]

if you place in the middle it will be the same

[toxic scaffold]

thank you for not being stupid

[willow vortex]

Okay sure buddy

[toxic scaffold]

good lord

[vast crescent]

Will a regular unit clear mobs as fast as a fucking monarch vsjw

[willow vortex]

Its about killin the boss 😭

[vast crescent]

💀

[willow vortex]

The monarchs will do more damage 😭🙏🏾

[toxic scaffold]

do your steels not kill the boss??

[hollow sparrow]

Well yeah, everything’s more F2P if you give the player tons of a currency

[willow vortex]

The… cid… boss bro are we on the same topic???

[vast crescent]

How the fuck would steels kill cid

[toxic scaffold]

we’re talking about the ex stage bro

[willow vortex]

Bro i was talking about cid 😭

I thought that was painfully clear why else would i be talking about the boss

[vast crescent]

Oh hell nah who's doing ex stage with no monarchs.

[primal flint]

Ur stacking in the middle, so there will always be the same amount of enemies left so it dosnt skip faster the wave

[toxic scaffold]

i tried it with my friends

[willow vortex]

For real even with monarchs id u dont have a brain you aint winning

[vast crescent]

Not even trying to flex but i legit dont know how that goes me and 3 people just kinda all spammed monarch yhwach and he hits the whole map so yeah

[willow vortex]

Leared that the hard way tryna play with randoms, somehow i can play with ppl intelligent enough to get the bottle, yet i cant even find those ppl again

[toxic scaffold]

all you gotta do is have the ppl ur doing it with to place their vsjw steels down b4 they get taken away

[willow vortex]

Yeah i tell them but they dont listen, or they just dont place anything and we die by the time the first happy chaos spawns

Tough times out here 💔

[vast crescent]

That strategy clearly seems to be working out for them tbh, more than pvp or an update themed about a fighting game atleast.

[primal flint]

One time taking vsjw as an argument now yhwach. Be general. And apparently it wasn't for the ex stage but for cid

[vast crescent]

Obviously i was talking about cid raid initially gang

[toxic scaffold]

sad that sukuna wont be added

[willow vortex]

Lit was thats why we were saying it completes faster since its scaled on how fast u kill john and cid

[toxic scaffold]

it has to be cease and desist

[vast crescent]

Even then monarch vsjw will always be more consistent and faster than smth like de just because of cost efficiency.

[hollow sparrow]

Yeah because people with no respect for themselves keep playing their game 💔

[willow vortex]

Yeah i feel bad for all the monarch sukuna havers

But you know whats even worse

The rug pull i felt when they said chae in would get a second evo 💔

[vast crescent]

And what makes you any better dawg 💀

[toxic scaffold]

REALLY??

[upbeat tusk]

Monarch Mimi and okrarun

[hollow sparrow]

Because I spend my time playing actual good games outside AV, not Anime Slop Stand

[toxic scaffold]

thats subjective

[willow vortex]

Yeah bro i thought my “monarch” will finally be good… 💔💔💔

[vast crescent]

Why is av not slop

[primal flint]

Ur a bit too harsh

[hollow sparrow]

Nah it’s objective that ALS is not good

[vast crescent]

Because the unit animations you have turned off most of the time and the map you look at once every full moon look better?

[willow vortex]

Hate to say it but yeah options on als are subjective, i personally hate it but others are gonna like its consistency

[hollow sparrow]

Because it tries to do things different, something that ALS doesn’t do

[toxic scaffold]

like?

[vast crescent]

Different clearly isnt good in that case

Fucking pvp

[toxic scaffold]

the quality isnt as bad as people make it out to be

it seriously isnt bad

compared to av yes its worse but its not bad quality

[vast crescent]

Yeah, focus an entire update on a piece of media 300 people know and a gamemode 300 people are gonna play, great idea. Very unique.

[hollow sparrow]

PVP and Odyssey, ALS will never attempt to make those types of gamemodes because they’re too safe with their updates

[toxic scaffold]

its like the people that think they’re special because theyre niche

[fleet kraken]

People act like it’s still old ALS imma cry

[vast crescent]

The sfx and vfx are horrid but unit models and maps are ight

[fleet kraken]

Old ALS was my favorite buggy slop

[vast crescent]

The av community sure loved these gamemodes right!

[toxic scaffold]

they seriously overhauled the game

im surprised

they reworked it

[toxic scaffold]

obviously those gamemodes didnt work

[vast crescent]

Yeah guis and stuff look clean af

[hollow sparrow]

Still more respectable than whatever ALS does

[willow vortex]

Never said it was.. i just said i personally dont like it, thats my opinion ive played the game, i have a godly and mutiple glitched and avataes j could play if i wanted to i just dont like it and feel like i cant catch up with the time i have now

[toxic scaffold]

no fucking wonder they dont attempt it

because they didnt fucking like it

learn from other people’s mistakes

[vast crescent]

No not really

[primal flint]

Actually yeah, but there's something that's telling u it's a bad game even though he's a fine game like an 2.0 astd

[vast crescent]

Id rather get another legend stage over a mode that doesnt work

Or a mode which only serves 1 purpose

[willow vortex]

I still remember when old yuta was an amazing limited unit

[vast crescent]

Or a mode where you need to play 3 games for 1 rr

[toxic scaffold]

id rather have my community like the stuff i put out than hate it but be unique

[hollow sparrow]

I wonder why the ATD community gets looked down upon by the Roblox community

[vast crescent]

Exactly

[primal flint]

Wich one?

[vast crescent]

Odyssey

[toxic scaffold]

because anime?

[willow vortex]

Yall lets go play a REAL mans tower defence gMe

[vast crescent]

"Its supposed to be for familiar minmaxing"

[toxic scaffold]

and the way ALL atds are structured

[willow vortex]

Blooms td 6 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[toxic scaffold]

theyre all gachas

[hollow sparrow]

because it’s all cookie cutter gachaslop

[toxic scaffold]

what other anime gachas are there

oh!

genshin zzz and hsr and ww!

hiw are those communities doing?

[vast crescent]

The most popular games on this platform are all slop lol, who's looking down on who. Its all slop

Gag, blr, blox fruits?

[willow vortex]

Honestly as a hsrian we are doin pretty good (help the power creep is getting worse)

[fleet kraken]

He was pretty eh until they lowered his cost from 3k to 601

Then he was amazing

[toxic scaffold]

ive played some of them and goodness

[hollow sparrow]

Pretty sure the Blox Fruits community looks down upon the ATD community

[toxic scaffold]

SCISSOR me timbers

but still

fanservice..

[willow vortex]

Yeah carried all of my games

[fleet kraken]

I had me and an alt sitting in the discord waiting for someone to post secret portal

[vast crescent]

Blox fruits is like a few hundred times worse than als

[willow vortex]

Playes genshin since irs creation after playin hi3, hi3 werent too bad but i watched as my genshin 5 stars just got power crept… and power crept… and power crept

[toxic scaffold]

no it isnt

dont make fun of my FAVORITE game

[vast crescent]

Als isnt hyper focused on making the game unplayable if you dont shell out money last i checked

[willow vortex]

I remember i got carried thru it so hard

[toxic scaffold]

you foolish fox

[vast crescent]

Yeah mb its a few 1000 times worse

[toxic scaffold]

dont ever disrespect blox fruits

[hollow sparrow]

Yeah it just chooses to make the sloppiest content imaginable

[toxic scaffold]

ignorant iguana

[fleet kraken]

Well you see, ALS fuels my gambling addiction with easy 1k rrs a day while AV nerfs my precious challenges

[vast crescent]

When did you last play als again

[fleet kraken]

[vast crescent]

Because the gameplay is legit just the same as avs

[fleet kraken]

It’s getting there and I’m rlly impressed

[toxic scaffold]

with less quality but less update time 🔥 🔥

[vast crescent]

You keep calling it slop but the only thing av has over it are sfx and vfx and those may as well be non factors

[hollow sparrow]

Like a few weeks ago, and it’s still just as shit as it was back in September

[toxic scaffold]

id rather have updates close to av with a little less content/quality but way lower update time

[vast crescent]

I cant help but call that just a delusional take lol

[vast crescent]

Same really

[viscid lynx]

honestly i dont like als since its just a bit too easy for ur avg atd ngl

[vast crescent]

3/4 week update times for dogshit gamemodes

[toxic scaffold]

av:

[vast crescent]

Like hell nah bruh

[fleet kraken]

Bro someone make a history or timeline of ALS

It has much richer history than Av

[toxic scaffold]

av gotta be the easiest atd ever

[hollow sparrow]

That the game has always been shit? Any rational person can look at ALS and call it shit

[vast crescent]

And av isnt?

Yeah okay

[hollow sparrow]

Accept it, ALS is shit

[viscid lynx]

i dont know how to put it but with als i feel like i can just get boosted really easy
i mean im not even enjoying av as of recent because these updates just feel like the death of me, even tryna do WL LB got me sleeping

[primal flint]

U guys complaining about a new source of getting rrs while they didn't change/remove the old/remaining ones. If someone starts giving gifts to people who had nothing before, they will thank him and be grateful, but when he stops or lowers the quality they will get mad.

[viscid lynx]

ive just been banging out AWTD

[vast crescent]

Av is better than als because they make gamemodes that everyone in the community hates

[viscid lynx]

love that game to death bro

[vast crescent]

True sign of superiority

Piss off the community

[hollow sparrow]

AV is better because they actually try to be different

[fleet kraken]

what he thinks ALS is like now

[viscid lynx]

tbh even if als basically reuse their updates, they got a hella loyal community

[vast crescent]

Dogshit time to reward ratio, id get more rrs than pvp doing limitless odyssey

So yeah, it may as well not be a new method

[hollow sparrow]

God why do I even try arguing with cultists

[viscid lynx]

honeslty i wouldnt even mind this mode lol

[vast crescent]

So different indeed, make modes nobody likes

[willow vortex]

Have you ever BLOX FRUITS… with your life on the line… whilst having a bunch of 🥭 in your mouth 😼

[toxic scaffold]

it might as well not be a source

[fleet kraken]

cause als the goat

they didn’t nerf my gambling methods

[vast crescent]

Their "uniqueness" and "trying to be different" has been them making horrid gamemodes for the past 4 updates

[viscid lynx]

tbh if you wanna be unique and have people actually enjoy the game, your whole game needs to be recongized for being unique and actually be enjoyable

as it stands, AV isnt in a enjoyable state atm

andi wouldnt say its reconigzed for being unique

[toxic scaffold]

wow i gave a homeless guy one fucking cent im sure hes real grateful

shut ur ass up

[vast crescent]

Absolutely

I have nothing to do besides farm rrs

[primal flint]

Yeah but the point is, they add more rr while removed nothing why would guys complain so much about that

[willow vortex]

I mean sometimes its gonna be like thar tho, they just gotta figure out what works, you aint gonna like every food are u?

[vast crescent]

Same as als

But in als id make more rrs

[toxic scaffold]

because its not worth fucking doing

[vast crescent]

Only reason i stick with av is because i can magno both games

[vast crescent]

Was legit anyone shocked at people not liking gg?

[willow vortex]

I dont think any anime towerd defence on roblox is every recognised for being unique after what aa has done to their rep

[willow vortex]

No but i liked it so im happy they added it

[vast crescent]

Good on you ig

[willow vortex]

God forbid people get out there and learn

[viscid lynx]

AWTD is literally known for uniqueness

[willow vortex]

I learned bout bsd, madoka and a couple of animes cuz of aa

[polar bobcat]

Av is dying because als does it best😂😂✌🏾

[viscid lynx]

its probably the most unique out of any ATD game

[vast crescent]

Though objectively speaking it took the game to under 40k for the first time in months

[willow vortex]

Fairs but… its hangin on by a thread

[vast crescent]

Av is dying because they are hellbent on doing things the community will dislike

[viscid lynx]

its alive and kicking, its got an extremely loyal fanbase

something most games dont have

[willow vortex]

*bot bans we forgetting bout bots guys 💔

[primal flint]

"Yeah but the POINT IS, they add MORE rr (even though not really gainful) while REMOVED NOTHING"

[viscid lynx]

and it updates a bit

[toxic scaffold]

can you blame people for wanting updates they like

[willow vortex]

Tell that to the 5 k ccu av had 😭 during ddd update

[toxic scaffold]

this update was barely enjoyable

[vast crescent]

No bot ban took place during the 6.0 maintainence btw

[toxic scaffold]

the past 3 updts were barely enjoyable

[willow vortex]

Of course not but sometimes you gotta try smth new, gang dw i don’t like pvp but i mean unit wise

[toxic scaffold]

idk how i pressed 5 there

[vast crescent]

So they didnt make the game worse? Holy shit, congratulations dev team

[willow vortex]

Why do you even play the game atp

[viscid lynx]

the difference is AV had avg like 60k-100k players then and it lost about 80% of its CCU
AWTD had 5k and only really drops to 2k-1l

big difference

[toxic scaffold]

bro its a game why would they want to try new stuff

they just want dopamine

[willow vortex]

Aight idk why im even bothering any more im jus gonna sleep for work

[vast crescent]

Dawg its not difficult to tell why people dont want a unit that needs to be clicked every 4 seconds in an atd

[toxic scaffold]

i dont i was just waiting for the nee vanguard

so i could have something to grind

[primal flint]

Did I say it makes it worse nah and don't change the topic pls

[toxic scaffold]

thats why i think astolfo is ass

because no ones seriously gonna use his actives that often

[hollow sparrow]

His first ability is niche af

[vast crescent]

Your entire fucking point is "why are you mad they didnt remove any rr method". Well mb for not being grateful for them not making the game bad.

[toxic scaffold]

our point is that

whether or not they addef a new rr method doesnt matter

because if you remove it from the game it wont change anything

[vast crescent]

Every unit in this update besides the bp units and sol is a pain in the ass to use

[toxic scaffold]

because no one does it

you have to give people a reason to do it if you want to add it

[vast crescent]

Exactly

[primal flint]

Ok

[vast crescent]

Pvp is unrewarding, bug filled, not enjoyable

Why would anyone play that

[toxic scaffold]

it’d be enjoyable if it wasnt just the exact same meta

[vast crescent]

You dont need trial and error to figure out why this wont work

[toxic scaffold]

regen overshield n fast

[vast crescent]

Mhm

[toxic scaffold]

“yeah the meta will be super unique”

no it wont

[hollow sparrow]

I’d say the only unit in this update that’s a pain in the ass to use is Bridget

[viscid lynx]

"pvp is like chess"

😭

[vast crescent]

Lets also make it impossible to figure out whether the unit is evolved or not during the banphase

[primal flint]

They should add a random element buff each game with some elements having a nerf at the same time

[toxic scaffold]

LOL

I LOVED THIS FEATURE

BECAUSE I NEVER HAD A EVOLVED YEHOWACH SINCE I ROLLED ON THE UNEVO

[vast crescent]

I sure did love pulling a rainbow king for my chess party man, really helped a lot.

[viscid lynx]

or just, remove pvp.

its a unenjoyable mode

all together

[toxic scaffold]

i mean

[vast crescent]

Lfelt is right there

[toxic scaffold]

its already in the game

[viscid lynx]

well ye

its already in the game

but its gonna end up like odyssey

barely used

[toxic scaffold]

there IS a reason for ppl to play

[vast crescent]

"Click exactly every 6.3 seconds to animation skip 🤖 "

[hollow sparrow]

Can throw shotgun loop on auto last time I checked

[primal flint]

Pvp haters so

[hollow sparrow]

I wouldn’t even use Elphelt for Shotgun Loop tbh

[vast crescent]

And do 25k dps after you run out of bar?

Okay ig

[viscid lynx]

i mean, im gonna hate a mode that is unenjoyable

i dont even know any pros about pvp

everything is literally cons

[vast crescent]

With monarch ofc because otherwise the unit is unusable lmao good luck managing 3 lfelts at once

And getting actually decent dps out of em

[vast crescent]

"Endgame content"

They really added pvp when tournaments are barely functional

[viscid lynx]

the only real time i even on hop AV is to get on WL LBs, i cant even bring myself to farm rrs actively

[hollow sparrow]

Game could use some ingame tutorials, YouTube tutorials don’t do shit

[vast crescent]

Hes not talking about strategies

What does the gamemode have to offer that makes me wanna do it

[viscid lynx]

pvp really doesnt even have strategies ibsr 😭

[primal flint]

Great idea

[viscid lynx]

im not doing coordinated play in pvp

[toxic scaffold]

rerolls i guess

[viscid lynx]

im just sending out every problematic status and pretty much winning

[hollow sparrow]

A leaderboard that’s akin to Worldlines/Infinite

[viscid lynx]

i love doing 80 matches

[viscid lynx]

im not getting top 1 in pvp just to get the happy chaos skin ibsr

[toxic scaffold]

the forced byeken quest

[viscid lynx]

good thing i skipped that shit

[hollow sparrow]

idk what’s with the devs and not putting in-game tutorials for their game

[vast crescent]

Probably would bug out and result in 50 dupe glitches

[primal flint]

Idk, also one for the odyssey would be good

[vast crescent]

Half the people i know just did it when it was bugged lmfao

[viscid lynx]

whos sitting thru 10 ranked wins man 😭

[vast crescent]

Ong

[viscid lynx]

like AV uniqueness is just poor unenjoyment

[toxic scaffold]

didd they feel the need to give byeken the chest the size of her literal head

[viscid lynx]

like AV, i get you did something unique with the Cid Raid, but why the fuck i am punished for playing solo mode

[vast crescent]

Locking a unit obtainment behind pvp is just dumb idk how this got the green light

[hollow sparrow]

The only thing that’ll kill this game imo is if they keep releasing bug-ridden updates

[toxic scaffold]

they have @unique sand as one of the testers

[vast crescent]

1 more upd about a series 3 people know will also do it

[vast crescent]

💀

[unique sand]

what did I do

[toxic scaffold]

lmao idk

[blazing falcon]

you glaze them

[vast crescent]

I didnt say anything thats just him

[hollow sparrow]

Eh, not as much as what I said, but go on

[unique sand]

I hate that it was locked behind pvp wins too

[viscid lynx]

its sad since i feel like non anime upd has so much potiential

[blazing falcon]

idk why ur defending the devs shitty actions lol

[unique sand]

I just wanted it to be matches played

[vast crescent]

Does valk just do random shit then like tf is the issue

[unique sand]

But "it would've just meant that people went into PvP matches and afk'd instead"

[hollow sparrow]

the devs need to get their shit together

[unique sand]

I'm just a tester dawg, i aint got that much pull

[viscid lynx]

i mean, i dont understand why they couldnt of just made the obtainment... normal?

like i get you wanna advertise your new mode you added

[vast crescent]

Thats fair

[blazing falcon]

so why are you defending them?

when theyre in the wrong

[unique sand]

[viscid lynx]

but i would of preferred like a long ass grind session like VSJW

[vast crescent]

Can we get andre back

[viscid lynx]

then being forced to play a mode i know i wont enjoy

[hollow sparrow]

I’d rather not have the person who did Valentine dirty come back

[vast crescent]

Nah but genuinely though wtf happened between 5.5 snd 6.0 like

[verbal flicker]

Let’s not get to rash here…

[viscid lynx]

VSJW wasnt even that bad

it was just long

[toxic scaffold]

its true

[vast crescent]

50 questionable decisions

[hollow sparrow]

5.0 as well

[viscid lynx]

i would 100% have that for baiken then doing pvp

[toxic scaffold]

its genuinely true

[unique sand]

I mean, there's some thing I defend because I genuinely don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be sometimes but I ain't afraid to say when I disagree with things

[toxic scaffold]

long grind quest lines work

[vast crescent]

Atleast 5.0 had units i knew

[toxic scaffold]

units were too easy to get

[hollow sparrow]

Cool, still doesn’t change just how disappointing the update was

[vast crescent]

It was ight tbh i dont mind that

[primal flint]

[viscid lynx]

even as a GG fan they scrapped 2 important units that alot of people even outside of the game would of reconigzed

😭

[verbal flicker]

Id die if id have to touch another shining castle legend stage im sorry

[toxic scaffold]

only person i knew this update was briddget

why did they not add the key girl

[viscid lynx]

ramelethal and unika were meant to be added

and they just were

scrapped

[verbal flicker]

Yeah aba she looked cool

[hollow sparrow]

I believe they implied they’ll add them later as raid content

[toxic scaffold]

like thatll happen

[unique sand]

was aba part of dual rulers

[toxic scaffold]

in the next year

[viscid lynx]

psure valk said on QNA they were just scrapped but Unika would of been added if they knew

[primal flint]

Cid raid? Nah a lot worse

[viscid lynx]

I feel like alot of people would of known about Ramlethal if they added her considering i would she one of the faces in GG

alongside bridget and happy chaos

[toxic scaffold]

no one knows who happy chaos is

bro

im sorry

[vast crescent]

Hopefully not anytime soon

[verbal flicker]

…not ringing a bell ngl…

[vast crescent]

These guys also just have a chronic habit of forgetting that 1 gamemode exists

[blazing falcon]

dont act like they arent in the wrong either

[toxic scaffold]

soon and av

💔

[viscid lynx]

nah ive seen alot of people outside of GG actually reconigze happy chaos

[verbal flicker]

Only because of that one anime fighting game on Roblox

[vast crescent]

First they forgot about raids fir like 7 months, and now its been 5/6 without a boss rush?

[hollow sparrow]

I’m just going off of the notes that were made, don’t care for podcasts

[viscid lynx]

fair

may should of been considered for the upd too ngl

the character choices were so off this upd

[blazing falcon]

we couldve gotten samurai guy

[hollow sparrow]

I’d say they were too safe as a GG fan

[blazing falcon]

and more popular characters

[hollow sparrow]

Nagoriyuki, Jack O, ABA, Venom. All amazing picks

[verbal flicker]

Oh dolphin girl? I’m surprised they didn’t add her, she was face of the update worthy

[vast crescent]

It shouldnt have been gg in the first place ima be real. If they really wanted to do gg it shouldve been bp characters or through a 0.5 update

Not a 4 week .0 update

[viscid lynx]

i feel like they were too risky tbh

i still stand to this day that bridget should of not been added, brings nothing to the table

[primal flint]

Yeah but Most of the time it's just guys complaining about dumb things as usual, typical reactions s

[viscid lynx]

ky being a skin is diabolical, same with johnny

feel like ppl would of loved those 2 as units

[toxic scaffold]

ww

bro

[viscid lynx]

ye her, idk why she wasnt considered

[toxic scaffold]

why is bridget even in the game

she literally just has a fucking yoyo

thats all ive seen from her

deadass

[vast crescent]

Valk bias probably

[viscid lynx]

pyseph bias*

[hollow sparrow]

Bedman being a Mount was also diabolical, would’ve made for a really cool unit

[verbal flicker]

Gg would have been fine if they got a better roster ngl, may, Bridget, baiken, giorno, aba, ect

[vast crescent]

I was deadass laughing at how happy valk was about making a unit that did 260k dps for some reason and how adamant he was about it being fair

[viscid lynx]

not too fond of bedman, but would of been insteresting

slayer would of also been good for a unit

[unique sand]

Because she wasn't supposed to do 260k lmao

[vast crescent]

Not even trying to hate but like nobody knows about gg in this community

[viscid lynx]

even then, both sides of the community didnt really fw the update

[hollow sparrow]

I find it fucking hilarious how Sin, whose whole gimmick is about follow up attacks, doesn’t have follow up attacks.

[vast crescent]

I shouldnt blurt this out but i was legit talking to ccs who were telling valk that she did in fact do that and he just said "micromanagement"

[viscid lynx]

non gg fans didnt know the character, and gg fans dont like how the units are protrayed/choices

[viscid lynx]

doesnt sin just reset his attacks

😭

in av*

[vast crescent]

Guess so

[toxic scaffold]

they shouldve done a one piece update because luffy attacks the grand navy!

and thats pvp!

sorry

[hollow sparrow]

Yup he has Roman Cancels, a mechanic every guilty gear character has

[verbal flicker]

Me neither honestly I just played the game like once or twice with friends and fought with ppl who looked cool

Unironically mostly any other anime game would have been a better pick

[viscid lynx]

im just disappoint how ky was handled

[unique sand]

Likely because he thought that 260k was for a grand total of maybe 10 seconds because her P3 was always supposed to have a CD and that's how he was testing it

[hollow sparrow]

Despite how disappointing the update is, I prefer it over 5.0

[toxic scaffold]

wouldnt that make her underpowered??

[unique sand]

No?

[hollow sparrow]

You can’t convince me the dev team knows what their doing balancing these characters 💀

[unique sand]

It's a burst of damage

[vast crescent]

Thats what she is now

[viscid lynx]

update was just avg for me, only happy i got ethereal shiny dizzy and a monarch elphelt
now i cant be asked to farm the game

[toxic scaffold]

thats 26k dps

[vast crescent]

No, thats 260k dps for 10 seconds

[toxic scaffold]

OH

[vast crescent]

Initially that was just her constant dps because

Idk

[unique sand]

By just dumping all your meter into shotgun loop

[hollow sparrow]

Literally it was average

[unique sand]

But now that she can't just alternate between shotgun loop and okizeme because oki has a cooldown like it was supposed to

[toxic scaffold]

3 disappointments in a row man

i called it

[vast crescent]

I found 5.0 to be decent ima be real

[toxic scaffold]

called that pvp would be a flop

[hollow sparrow]

imo most ppl wouldn’t mind Guilty Gear as long as the content itself was stable and good

[toxic scaffold]

[vast crescent]

And again the major factor was legit 2 of my most liked characters and just characters most people like being in the update, even if the content of the update itself was lacking

[hollow sparrow]

I don’t care for Bleach yet 4.0 was my favorite update

AV made the full-AOE units in that update actually interesting

[vast crescent]

No, they would

[unique sand]

[vast crescent]

Thats just how it is. Goku and sung jinwoo will pull more numbers than gg characters

[hollow sparrow]

You’d be surprised

[unique sand]

tbf GG was picked knowing full well that people wouldn't really know it

[blazing falcon]

so the community is not allowed to complain about things that were done wrong?? you could say the same for the protests happening in the world right now

[hollow sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[unique sand]

But they wanted a fighting game, and out of the "big ones", GG has some of the more unique anime style designs

[vast crescent]

Not about that, no.

[viscid lynx]

could of used melty blood as an excuse to drop Fate Part 3 + Tsukihime

[vast crescent]

Its just obvious gang, hype matters a lot in this genre

[viscid lynx]

just sayingg!

[vast crescent]

Even early reactions to the sneaks were lukewarm at best

[blazing falcon]

24k is super low

[hollow sparrow]

I think if they wanted to do a mainstream fighting game that wasn’t Guilty Gear, Tekken or Street Fighter should be picked

[vast crescent]

Lowest in 5 months

[unique sand]

okay and

[viscid lynx]

Tekken has unique designs tbh

Kazuya would of been cool

[hollow sparrow]

There’s people who wanted Mortal Kombat characters

[unique sand]

Either way, GG had the more fitting designs. Interesting designs. You look at MC designs without any knowledge of the game, and Ryu/Jin don't look like anything special compared to someone like Sol

[hollow sparrow]

True

[viscid lynx]

i mean if ppl say this of jin, they would of much prefered tekken imo

then again

sols dragon install does look cooler..

[blazing falcon]

Mk wouldve been nice?

A lot of people actually knows about mk..

[hollow sparrow]

Yoshimitsu looks dope

[blazing falcon]

since its old gen stuff + mk1 (known for mk9)

[hollow sparrow]

meh it’s a western property last time I checked

It’s like wanting RWBY in Vanguards

[verbal flicker]

Like…4 chars max is the average persons knowledge on mk

[unique sand]

It was known that GG wouldn't be very known and popular, but it also didn't help that PvP was a very niche addition and is still riddled with bugs that make it unplayable at times, especially at higher elo and a lack of reward incentive, and the update itself didn't really have anything long term to grind for otherwise

[toxic scaffold]

we shouldve got pokemon obviously

[verbal flicker]

Nintendo would have a field day

[upbeat tusk]

Would’ve taken a hour for av to get wiped off the face of the earth

[toxic scaffold]

every update so far has just been

“save rr until the best unit comes put”

[sullen blade]

Blud said guilds

[hollow sparrow]

PvP just needs to be expanded on and it’ll be good

AV should stick to expanding on its existing gamemodes

[unique sand]

true

[viral dome]

Not really the reason tags got removed but ok

[vast crescent]

that's just the core of the game lol

that's never gonna change

[brave beacon]

Me really

I just farm units that im never gonna really use

Due to the fact that my previous monarchs still do better

[solid urchin]

-# uh huh

[blazing falcon]

Yes it is

[abstract kite]

23k ccu is depressing lol

[unique sand]

That’s what happens when updates take longer and longer to come out and they still come with bugs

[abstract kite]

True and also laziness/not taking competition (als) seriously

I remember on the 5.0 or 5.5 stage one of the owners said they dont really see als as competition cause its "a different style"

als doing biweekly updates full of content might be lower quality slop but it hits all the major bases for 95% of what the atd community craves lol

[unique sand]

They haven’t even been doing biweekly

Most of als has been like weekly

[abstract kite]

They are moving towards biweekly now

boss listened to the community from what ive been told

[unique sand]

Which is good

[abstract kite]

I just dont want to see this game die

[unique sand]

Weekly updates aren’t healthy

[abstract kite]

True true i think av should try put out more triweekly updates though

waiting 4 weeks for an upd full of bugs upset everyone

[unique sand]

Yes

There’s too much crunching going on too close to projected release

Biweekly should be the goal

[rancid ore]

is persona in the line of updates

[abstract kite]

I agree but triweekly is more than enough but if biweekly can be achieved without sacrificing quality then idk

[vast crescent]

Huh

Like 4 days ago brandon was talking about how biweekly would drop playercount so they wouldnt do it

Hopefully he did change his mind

Idk tho