Why AV is dying

[vast crescent]

4 updates yeah

[eager nova]

Mr 10+ monarchs are common is here 😱

[ancient rune]

twisting my words again

lol

[rustic dome]

hello

[empty flint]

what "things" even existed to grind?

I already had it all

[ancient rune]

av players try to debate without insulting challenge

[eager nova]

You said it word for word actually

[ancient rune]

forward it

[primal flint]

so dont complain about the up that is objectively not that bad, like the other one said

[ancient rune]

with the context

as well

pls

[vast crescent]

Anyway asking consumers to be "appreciative" about an update that the devs acknowledged was bad is fucking stupid and actually just sad

[ancient rune]

with the context

[vast crescent]

And your next reply being "go to another game" is even more laughable

[viral dome]

i mean you are talking in a thread titled "Why AV is dying" so ig its not surprising that people are critisizing the game more often

[ancient rune]

otherwise youre proving me right

[ancient rune]

if you dont enjoy an update then the solution is literally to go play sum else

or you can work for the devn team and make better updates yourself??

[empty flint]

I'll be honest

even the concept of that is as stupid as someone telling me "but Sinder apologized, you should forgive her"

[ancient rune]

idk bro i mean you kinda arent contributing at all

[vast crescent]

What a horrid take

[indigo fox]

That point makes zero sense

[viral dome]

🤨

[ancient rune]

what do you propose you do when a "bad" update drops

[vast crescent]

No idiot, as a consumer, i will complaint, and if the devs listen, then there will be improvement

[ancient rune]

insult and send the dev team death threats is the solution

definitely right

[primal flint]

yeah obvious a bit sad, they should give a proposal with their criticism, casue some of their point is just dumb and not logical. Like how it was a while ago

[eager nova]

The “context” js that it’s common in steel+ which 0.1% of the player base is in/ can get to/ will bother to get to

[empty flint]

Nobody was sending the dev team death threats

[indigo fox]

Who tf sent the dev team death threats

Are you high

[ancient rune]

in stage

lol

[empty flint]

Anyone caught in the stage isn't a real person

[vast crescent]

Schizophrenic argument nobody fucking said this is fine

[indigo fox]

Well whoever did that is fucking insane

[ancient rune]

arguing with a brick wall

[viral dome]

you mean give constructive critisim?

[ancient rune]

so tell me YOUR argument

i obviosuly never said this was fine??

[rustic dome]

[vast crescent]

Why are you even raising it as a point then lmao? Criticism of the update is the same as sending death threats?

[ancient rune]

yeah obviously people with higher ranks are going to have monarchs beyond the ban limit

smartass 💔

[empty flint]

you're trying to claim the people in the stage, watching, were even people to begin with

they actually set aside time to watch devs ramble about shit and give "maybe's" to questions while a yt complains about naruto again

they are not people who's words nor thoughts should be taken into consideration

[eager nova]

You still don’t understand the point do you..

[ancient rune]

no, not my point at all, im saying how have YOU contributed

[ancient rune]

explain then

loool

[ancient rune]

huh??

wyo about bro

[viral dome]

im lost again, chat gpt summerize the debate

[eager nova]

I did already you can go read it again

[ancient rune]

😭

[vast crescent]

Yo gang my apologies for yesterday this has made me realize that your argument was pretty fucking reasonable

[ancient rune]

this is uhhh, very convenient!

[eager nova]

Lmfao yeah np

[ancient rune]

we can switch to that argument then

if you want

[tender blade]

the new title

[ancient rune]

because you arent getting anywhere with your bs "critique"

[indigo fox]

Isn’t really true

[eager nova]

I thought you were rage baiting the whole time ngl

[ancient rune]

you have yet to tell me how you have contributed to the update

[tender blade]

the downfall of av 2.0

[vast crescent]

If our critique is not being listened to the yeah

[ancient rune]

what is it???

what do you propose gang

just dancing around my question

[vast crescent]

Ig i could see why it seemed so but it was mostly just my lack of faith in these guys to make a good guild system if they do it anytime soon

[vast crescent]

Okay ill repeat it again

Dont make updates about things nobody fucking knows

[ancient rune]

valk already adressed that

how is it critique

[vast crescent]

Instead of adding major features that dont work, ensure that the little features you do add work

[ancient rune]

if youre restating questions from the stage

LOL

[indigo fox]

Why did they do it in the first place

[viral dome]

kazi likes it or sum

[indigo fox]

What made them think making a update on gg would make sense

[ancient rune]

he said its because thats what came to mind first thing, and they were mainly inspired by a pvp-based anime

[vast crescent]

We know that updates like 4.0 can be made in 3 weeks, and we need to go back to those update times

[indigo fox]

50% of atd players don’t even watch anime

[viral dome]

what

[tender blade]

because it fits the update theme and they have more unique designs and attacks

[ancient rune]

nah its true

[tender blade]

which is bs

[viral dome]

seems hard to believe

[ancient rune]

somehow

[indigo fox]

Any other fighting game would’ve done better

[ancient rune]

they were mainly inspired by its new anime

not even the fighting game lol

it was just the premise and theme

[indigo fox]

There’s a anime?

[vast crescent]

In summary, do updates people want, fix update times, instead of adding major features like pvp and odyssey and them being garbage just add less complicated things like boss rush and atleast have them work.

[viral dome]

i mean sure they have pretty good designs but no were near other animes in terms ofunique attacks or what not.

[viral dome]

yeah its called dual rulers

[ancient rune]

so youre basically just restating questions from the stage and providing no real suggestion for the future

youre a clown bro

im sorry but i cant take you seriously

[tender blade]

we need a new boss rush

[vast crescent]

What a dumbfuck

[ancient rune]

If this is your idea of critique then you should work on it

[vast crescent]

Sure man, if thats the extent of your reading comprehension then that's fine

[ancient rune]

insulting and cursing constantly aint critique 🤷‍♂️

[vast crescent]

Yeah im not critiquing you im very obviously making fun of you

[tender blade]

🍿

[vast crescent]

I guess thats hard for you to realize

[primal flint]

not really but it's more like some point that were said are just some dumb shit, without solution, cause it's juts some DUMB points. if they give some soltuion/proposal/idea while saying why AV dying, first it will help them realizing that is was just dumb shit or we will see even more that he is someone that shouldn't be listened cause he's dumb with dumb critcritisim. Or it could help people undestand their point of view, so they could prove me that their ''Dumb opinion'' are not really dumb

[ancient rune]

keep farming engagment bro

[viral dome]

💔

[tender blade]

🥤

[vast crescent]

Projecting

[viral dome]

i don't have to mental capacity to understand

[whole meadow]

Are we serious 😂

[tender blade]

bro what

[ancient rune]

why is it that whenever i debate with someone in suggestions they cant give any real points

[tender blade]

lol

[ancient rune]

bros an exemplary demonstation

[vast crescent]

Fucking up the spelling whilst trying to claim the intellectual high ground is

Pretty sad

[viral dome]

what are considered real points in ur eyes

[vast crescent]

Ah well no point responding to you anymore

[ancient rune]

minor spelling error nooooo

you dumb !! 💔

[vast crescent]

Yeah cooked yourself with that one

[ancient rune]

constructive criticism towards said topic

[vast crescent]

And there is constructive criticism, some of which they acknowledged.

[ancient rune]

ts funny youre getting followed home

[viral dome]

i mean he gave constructive critisism no?

[ancient rune]

nah i dont remember doing so

[ancient rune]

you can reread my message uptop if you want

[vast crescent]

Did you go full schizo or what

[ancient rune]

dont feel like restating myself

[vast crescent]

What the fuck does "nah i dont remember doing so" mean here

[eager nova]

Nah fr But tbh, guilds don't even need to be insanely complex at launch. just the basic lb stuff with small rewards would be enough to start. They can always build on it later. What matters is making it a priority now, not dropping it outta nowhere in 2026 and expecting people to care lmao

[viral dome]

"they already adressed this in stage"

The critisim still holds up tho

[ancient rune]

if it was ALREADY adressed, then no, its not helping the dev team LOL

[vast crescent]

Yeah it would be unfair criticism if it was made after the changes were made.

[vast crescent]

I agree

Hopefully its not like guilds in other atds

Those arent very thrilling to say the least

Very bluntly speaking, adding pvp to the game at a point where the tournaments barely function properly

Was an interesting decision

Which clearly didnt pay off

[primal flint]

but yeah not on release,

[vast crescent]

In every game that has good guilds

The rewards from guild quests etc are insane

Which is why the guilds are considered worth playing

[primal flint]

bump

[ruby shell]

in hindsight, im pretty sure the only thing that kept aa alive for so long was community

guilds and friends just grinding together was peak

[eager nova]

Exactly

[hardy mural]

ong

Back then in AA you needed 4 people to reach wave 80 on Infinite mode

[true spruce]

av is dying because the updates aren’t hype and they continue to make life harder for mac cros. hype solo content (vsjw and bleach) is what brought the game back to 100k players, a lack of guilds is not what is killing this game, they’ve made secrets unmac croable, and added units that are more tedious but less hype, all while als is completely f2p friendly and easily mac croable, with consistent content.

[toxic scaffold]

this is like the only update ever to have a mode where you cant mac crow it

5.0 and 5.5 were easily mac crowable

[viscid lynx]

if guilds got added like 10% of ppl would care

[true spruce]

yeah bro cid and buu were fs mac croable for the 98% of the playerbase that don’t have an image based mac cro

[viscid lynx]

yall tryna bet on guilds to save the game

but it wont

[true spruce]

exactly

[viscid lynx]

and this is a lie 😭

[toxic scaffold]

an image based mac crow is free bro

[true spruce]

if u can’t read the sarcasm in that idk what to say

[true spruce]

doesn’t matter when the majority of players don’t even know it exists

[toxic scaffold]

the majority of players do know it exists lmao

[viscid lynx]

most the av people are literally dumb

[true spruce]

did u read what i said or nah “a lack of guilds is NOT what is killing the game”

[viscid lynx]

that was is on me tho

my fault

[toxic scaffold]

keyword farmers on youtube promote mac crows and theres 120k members in 2 mac crow servers

[true spruce]

the majority of players only have ttask

[toxic scaffold]

anf theres still other servers im p sure

[toxic scaffold]

120k members in 2 mac crow servers

[true spruce]

av only or are we talking a multi year old server with multiple games run on it

[toxic scaffold]

its like specifically ac

av

[true spruce]

what server is this

[toxic scaffold]

salmon and jolly

also ur acting like if someone did want to mac crow they wouldnt seek out a way to solve their problem

[true spruce]

eh idk i do feel like most players don’t have an image based mac cro, CCU and overall playerbase are worlds apart

making boring updates and units tedious to get is only gonna drive player count down imo

[brave beacon]

I refuse to believe thats the main reason

[blazing falcon]

damage farming is not fun

[blazing falcon]

this seems a dumb excuse

why attempt to fix something that isn't broken? just leave it as it is before you try to make it worse

[viscid lynx]

guilds isnt fun

guilds is literally "setup 🥭 on infinite and farm dmg"

[vast crescent]

Yeah aa guilds were ass lets be real

[viscid lynx]

i feel like even trading (something thats extremely simple to add) would be a easier way to bring up playercount then guilds

[vast crescent]

you're probably right but i think trading becoming the only thing endgame players have to do is

abhorrent

[eager nova]

Y’all acting like anyone here said guilds are gonna save the game on their own 💀 Nobody said ‘add guilds and AV hits 200k players tomorrow’, the point is that guilds are one of several long-term systems that actually give players a reason to come back consistently. Not everyone wants to just do solo game modes every update or forced raids with RANDOMS you’ll never play with again, guilds are one of the few systems that could give meaningful long-term goals, rewards, and social structure.

The points on trading and whatnot I’ve already talked about in my previous suggestion as well

[hollow sparrow]

If y’all think AV is dying, you don’t know what a dying game is

Game will do just fine as long as it keeps updating

[eager nova]

100k -> 30k

[hollow sparrow]

Cool it peaked at 100K in April

Anything above 5K is a healthy CCU

AWTD has like 2K CCU and it’s alive and well

[wide rover]

not exactly

[viscid lynx]

i think personally most of the AV players atm are early game

end game*

early game has enough content

[wide rover]

to know whether a game has died u gotta compare its peak ccu to its current ccu

[viscid lynx]

i wouldnt say AV is dying at all but it did tank severly

with 6.0

[vast crescent]

its a relative term dawg

obviously if the playercount has falled by more than 50%

something is wrong

[viscid lynx]

AV is a game i wouldnt say has a loyal fanbase

[vast crescent]

it'll fall by another 50 if things dont change

[viscid lynx]

something like AWTD most people wouldnt consider dead because AWTD has a extremely loyal fanbase

that will stick to the game

[fringe ravine]

I mean av is getting monthly updates

not exactly alot of content

[viscid lynx]

as of now for AV, the moment they drop a bad upd most of them are gonna ditch the game

[hollow sparrow]

To know whether a game has died, you also have to factor in “is this game updating anymore”

AVs gonna be fine in the long term as long as it keeps providing good updates

[wide rover]

maybe, doesnt change the fact that the game is currently dying

[hollow sparrow]

You’re way too focused on short term statistics

[pallid dune]

its not💔

the game once had 5k players and made a comeback, its not dead until they stop updating

[wide rover]

the entire discussion is short term, nobody said "av's future is doomed", all we said is "av is currently dying" which is true

[fringe ravine]

it had a couple good updates in a row

just depends how they do 6.5

but i dont really like the vanguard tbh

[pallid dune]

could have been a diff character, but ehh

[hollow sparrow]

Basing an entire discussion on short term statistics is flawed

[pallid dune]

ddd was popular at the time, the issue wasnt adding ddd but rather how they added it

[hollow sparrow]

1.5 was just a shit update, DDD had nothing to do with it being bad

[wide rover]

it would be flawed if the argument was "av's future", which it isnt. Ur bringing up something entirely different

[hoary geyser]

Half als playercount rn, If they mess up 6,5 or not generous, it’s gonna be 1/3

They’re doing one piece for summer

[hollow sparrow]

Cool, I don’t think the devs care about CCUs that much

[hoary geyser]

And we still haven’t have spring

[hoary geyser]

How do you think they make money lol

[hollow sparrow]

Not everything has to be about making money

[fringe ravine]

we got bleech then solo leveling then dbz what happened 🥀

[hoary geyser]

It’s a business first, game second

[hollow sparrow]

Still, not everything has to be about making money

Devs don’t seem to be as money hungry as ALS or AA

[true spruce]

are u talking about the new secret portals or what i don’t understand

[rocky nexus]

How is als money hungry 😭😭

And AA is dead

[keen stirrup]

als is prob the least money hungry td there is

never felt an urge to drop 0.1 cent

[fringe ravine]

als is the most f2p td game there is

if anything av is way more money hungry then them

[hollow sparrow]

Look at how they monetize their stuff, consider why they have a weekly update schedule

[hoary veldt]

Als, Awtd, are 100% most F2P friendly lol

There's prob a 3rd but I can't think of it

[rocky nexus]

????? At what point do they force you to spend money

[keen stirrup]

i mean tbh als everything is abundant in supply

if av im always challenging myself to buy bp or not

cuz rewards or so worth it and rrs arent as easy to farm

dont deal with that shit in als

[keen stirrup]

never played it but sounds cool

[hoary veldt]

Awtd is pretty good, only criticism I really have are its hard to get into, progressions is a little weird, and because of the small dev team updates take longer.

Nagblox just made a video on it and I think he said it's the best ATD out rn

[fallen timber]

i dont think adding guilds will do anything

[willow vortex]

yeah i tried to get into it and got a couple miracle evoes but it jus feels like als for me where even tho i have alla this its still kinda hard to get into

[hoary veldt]

For most players abs not
Look at ALS for example, they have it and it hasn't ever done anything lol

[fallen timber]

i didnt even know als had guilds lmao

[willow vortex]

nooo they did guild wars onceeee 🥹🥹🥹

[hoary veldt]

Yeah I get that tbh

[hoary veldt]

Oh you right

[willow vortex]

like the game was fun dont get me wrong, but i just.. cant get into them and i dont got nearly as much time as i used to have

[hoary veldt]

I just get so bored of this game recently
Grinds are tedious and long, PvP is just not fun imo, reroll grinding is the worst part of the game BY FAR

[willow vortex]

yeah in another av drought, pities will at least help let the grind feel less... unsubstantial

[hoary veldt]

I just play when I see stuff I want or like lol
Like I'll play a bit when a new update drops but if it doesn't intrigue me I don't play

[fallen timber]

fair

[willow vortex]

same, jus been more into av cuz i like td games a lil and i got 2 monarchs

[hoary veldt]

The pities are a bit too high imo
75 runs of boss rush is kinda crazy lol

[fallen timber]

yea that should be like 30

5 runs of boss rush is like an hour

[willow vortex]

yeah but its to "match" that statistical average considering the units arent limited and you have had months to get them

[fallen timber]

so you would have to spend

for pity

[willow vortex]

mabye they should be 50% since that makes sense

sorry 50 runs cuz the unit is 2%

[hoary veldt]

That's another reason I'm falling off
My trait luck is awful, lvl 98, no monarchs, no vanguards, just 20 units with deadeye

[willow vortex]

to properly match

[willow vortex]

i feel u, im replaying on the alt that got 2 monarchs, only way im rlly havin fun rn

cuz so many rrs on my main and i got nothin on vsjw

tried to get baiken and it jus wasnt a fun time

[hoary veldt]

Yeah I'd say 40-50 is decently fair. About what als does anyway

[fallen timber]

same bro

being forced to pvp

most people just leave before match starts

ex stages

[hoary veldt]

My deadeye Baiken bro....
I'm to lazy to do EX stage 10 times

[fallen timber]

are so hard that its pretty much a must to have someone with monarch

[willow vortex]

yeah and compared to als who updates every week, u have a decent ammount of time to gett he unit before they prolly get out scaled

[viscid lynx]

AWTD is my top 1 atd out rn its my main one to play
once u get into it theres no going back 😭

[willow vortex]

to each their own

[hoary veldt]

It really is the goat

[willow vortex]

like this exactly but people said its a skill issue that the ppl woth monarchs cant play the game properly

so tiring man

[viscid lynx]

im like lvl 1280 or so with mostly every unit obtained lol

[fallen timber]

they throw at you chaos with 2.5mln hp with that weird dmg reduction

[hoary veldt]

I really liked that 2500 monarch pity that goes for every unit tbh. That way you can spin on multiple

[fallen timber]

and he is faster than average boss

[hoary veldt]

Yeah I think I'm around 1100, and I have nearly every unit

[fallen timber]

at wave 5

most people dont bother playing ex stage unless its champion modifier

[hoary veldt]

I just hope Astd X isn't that bad bro

That's all I want lol

[willow vortex]

I think my main prolem with av is they are TOO experimental

Like i appreciate the hen trying so hard

But they are trying a little too hard

[hoary veldt]

It's so funny watching youtbers hype up PvP. But I haven't seen any actually play it regularly lmao

[willow vortex]

Like i wont lie i kinda liked the cid raid once i figured out what to do

But then the weird unit reduction thibg ue just pisses me off

[willow vortex]

Gen shoulda just added guilds

[hoary veldt]

I wouldn't liked it if I had a monarch to make my life easier lol
13+ min long raid for a max 6% is live annoying

[hoary veldt]

Nah I don't think guilds would do much for the game tbh
They don't do much for any game

[willow vortex]

Nah im saying instead of pvp

[fallen timber]

meanwhile ant dungeon choy

[willow vortex]

Cuz pvp is genuinely useless

Is choy even good

Hes a burn so he probably jus gets outclassed by the bext

[fallen timber]

i didnt get him

[willow vortex]

Next

[fallen timber]

20 mins for a 1.5% chance was boogers

[hoary veldt]

I still like the Odyssey game mode tbh
Shame that the rewards are basically familiar exclusive

[fallen timber]

pretty sure you can get good amount of gems

but not like that matters much

[hoary veldt]

I have 100k gems lol

[fallen timber]

yea

[hoary veldt]

I don't need those I need a monarch

[eager nova]

❓

[fallen timber]

?

[eager nova]

Why won't it do anything?

[fallen timber]

because i dont feel anyone will be interested in them?

[eager nova]

Why not?

[fallen timber]

atleast most of the community wont be

[fallen timber]

what is the point of the guilds

you gather people

what's the point of guild when there is discord server

[eager nova]

You can go read the suggestion again

[fallen timber]

uh okay

either way i dont think it will change my mind

[eager nova]

You can learn how to read first then tell me your opinions

Ok !

[fallen timber]

so from what i am getting

you want them to focus on content that isnt like solo

and you are annoyed

[eager nova]

No no no

You still didn't read the previous one did you

[eager nova]

NO

NO

NO

I know you didn't read it that fast

read the FULL Thing

[fallen timber]

lol

[eager nova]

Also read ALL the replies

To that post

and this post

[fallen timber]

no.

[eager nova]

and all your questions will be answered

[fallen timber]

i am not going sit through all replies

your title was

"why AV is dying"

[eager nova]

Yes

[fallen timber]

you have screens of guild

coming soon

[eager nova]

I agree it was extra

I did it so more people would actually read it

[fallen timber]

fine i'll check previous suggestion and come back

[nova magnet]

i don't know what this post is about but av is a tds game so it's pretty much bound to die without constant updates

[eager nova]

Yes that's another issue as well for sure WHY IS THERE A COOLDOWN

[keen stirrup]

with what competition

[nova magnet]

uhhh als?

[eager nova]

Who added a cooldown bro

[keen stirrup]

they dont acknowledge als is a competitor cause avs demographic is ppl who want a high quality td game while als is avr so if no high quality td game is out av wont die even if its a month to update

[nova magnet]

there's alot of other tds games

[keen stirrup]

but can they compete with avs quality tho

[nova magnet]

they can't compete with av's bugs neither

[fallen timber]

ngl i remember hopping on ALS after AV became to dry ngl

[keen stirrup]

yh but idrc bugs only if it makes it unplayable

[ripe hawk]

[fallen timber]

i heard there was lfelt portal bug where players couldnt get their reward

[keen stirrup]

yo btw contact the higher ups to remove this shitty cd rq

[nova magnet]

suggestions and stage suggestions have a 30 sec cd bug reports and wiki don't

oh wow

it did get removed

[keen stirrup]

well didnt even bother playing this upd cuz i dont give shit abt guilty gear

[eager nova]

it was you wasn't it

[keen stirrup]

oh that was quick

[ripe hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850376368632889366/1382538023660687470/file.webp

[fallen timber]

fair

what biggest crime was tho

[nova magnet]

wtf is this

[fallen timber]

not adding potemkin and chaos aswell

[keen stirrup]

yh idk who tf they were but sounds like absolute hype

[fallen timber]

happy chaos

[nova magnet]

add shanks to the game

give him high dps and the best stun

[fallen timber]

ik guilty gear only from their music covers

[keen stirrup]

i didnt even know what guilty gear was

[fallen timber]

it doesnt have like huge audience

[nova magnet]

a gear that is guilty

[fallen timber]

its fair you didnt know

[keen stirrup]

what an enlighting description icl

[fallen timber]

for example i didnt see eminance of shadow till av dropped update

i decided to check it out

[fallow steeple]

its even based on an even more obsecure anime

[nova magnet]

why is the gear guilty

[fallow steeple]

this update should've taken out winter at least and not use guilty gear and maybe it wouldn't be as hated/ meh as it was

[nova magnet]

add cosmic garou

make him a rift unit

[keen stirrup]

yh i feel like gulity gear should have been a .5 or sum

[fallen timber]

yea

[fallow steeple]

av is known for taking great ips and making them small updates

[nova magnet]

the goat

[fallow steeple]

for example sbr and solo leveling

[fallen timber]

i gotta get him on als one day

[eager nova]

what are your thoughts on my post

[nova magnet]

his gamma ray burst releases 86 billion radiation rays 🤯

[fallen timber]

bro needs a buff

😭

[nova magnet]

his fist punches deal 240 or 260 rays of radiation

saitama is built different

[fallen timber]

ngl we need reworked jojo upd

[nova magnet]

yeah stop gatekeeping

add DIO

[fallen timber]

damn

actually if they added jojo upd

[nova magnet]

or pucci

[fallen timber]

then followed up with dio over heaven at .5

it would be peakest thing ever

[nova magnet]

made in heaven has so much potential

imagine the sun actually moving and swapping with the moon with made in heaven

[fallen timber]

i can imagine myself losing sight and gaining it back

it would be worse for wordlines

[nova magnet]

what abilities would it have

enemies grow 50 years in age

🤯

[fallen timber]

made in heaven would probably cause enemies to gain perm debuff

some sort of his own effect

[nova magnet]

maybe more susceptible to damage

like wounded effect

[fallen timber]

yea

[unique sand]

is potemkin in dual rulers genuine question

[fallen timber]

idk man i need potemkin

[nova magnet]

restarting the wave only wastes time tho

maybe a wave skip

[eager nova]

this chat literally proves why guilds are important, you wouldn't be having this convo in general with 40 ppl typing at the same time

[unique sand]

but it was based on the dual rulers anime

I want potemkin too tho

[nova magnet]

or something like regenerating life stocks

with made in heaven

[fallen timber]

i think evolved pucchi could just turn his ws to cmoon

then made in heaven

[nova magnet]

yeah

made in heaven should be a double evo

[fallen timber]

meh

it could be fill bar

to progress

i would want to have all in one

[nova magnet]

it deserves it's own vanguard though

[unique sand]

extra wave income

[fallen timber]

once progressed

cant be unprogressed

[nova magnet]

ah

maybe

how would that work in pvp though

yeah but

both sides have the same waves

i don't think they'll let you reset or skip waves with it though

[fallen timber]

by resetting you mean like

removing all units?

[nova magnet]

that would be op

especially in tournaments

[fallen timber]

ngl that would be subaru more like ability

instead of just reseting the track

[nova magnet]

only idea i have right now is life stocks

[fallen timber]

we are counting in something in jojo called fate

by resetting wave the enemies on track for one turn

are determinated to be hit

so you double dps

that turn

could be to broken tho

but by using mih ability people were bound to do something

they knew their fate yet they were forced to do it

[nova magnet]

i just think the sun and moon swapping mid-ability is fire

maybe uhh

for the duration of the ability

mih has 1 spa

yeah

[fallen timber]

uh

[nova magnet]

could add something else to it

other than 1 spa

[fallen timber]

what else you want to add to time accel

perhaps it could affect other units

buff them some sort?

[nova magnet]

maybe all enemies and units are stunned except for mih

[fallen timber]

i mean yea

[fallen timber]

time accel isnt time stopping

you speed up your time

[nova magnet]

i know

they are like

shocked

cuz age up

[fallen timber]

pucchi regardless can get tired

[nova magnet]

lore accurate

[fallen timber]

goofy

ahh

lmao

[unique sand]

getting pucci enables 2x gamespeed

[fallen timber]

omg yes

[nova magnet]

locked behind a 1199 robux gamepass

[unique sand]

pucci would be 5x

[nova magnet]

give him like -80% spa

time accel affects him and the world

not nearly

[fallen timber]

isnt resetting universe affecting the world?

[nova magnet]

screw this

add golden experience requiem

[fallen timber]

if time accel affected everyone

then everyone would be super fast

ehh i am confused myself

[nova magnet]

not affects everyone

but they do age up

[whole valley]

pvp should have 4 bans max

[nova magnet]

it doesn't affect them in speed

[fallen timber]

agreed

anyone with less units basically is screwed

[nova magnet]

wb the people with 10 monarchs

[fallen timber]

hop on traitless

🔥

[nova magnet]

traitless doesn't need less bans

6 bans is good

if ur playing pvp ur expected to have alot of meta units

[whole valley]

ranked feels weird rn it still needs work

[nova magnet]

as for mih it affects the world itself and the only one who can actually use the speed and not age up is the MIH user

[fallen timber]

but if it speeds up your body functions

then we can assume

it should speed up everyone

i feel like resetting universe

[nova magnet]

no

[fallen timber]

and time accel

[nova magnet]

the time itself moves really quickly

that people age up

but they don't catch up

[fallen timber]

the greatest death ahh stand

[nova magnet]

you see day and night pass when time accel is activated

people don't catch up to what's happening

but their bodies get affected

[fallen timber]

maybe

pucchi can get tired

[nova magnet]

it doesn't slow them nor speed them

it just makes time move faster

not really

when time accel gets activated

you see the sun and moon swapping

it's basically 300x speed

they don't catch up to what happens

cuz their speed is still the same

yes but their bodies are affected

thus they age up

it might very well be more than 300x speed

i would say maybe 50000x speed

since you don't age up in a days worth

[fallen timber]

but is pucchi affected by aging

it speeds up for everyone

[nova magnet]

cuz it's kind of a slur

you do know what it means

right

well it has 2 meanings

[nova magnet]

no

it's the opposite for pucci

instead of him aging quickly he's moving quickly

but the opposite for the others

[fallen timber]

but didnt pucchi die to pure oxygen?

[nova magnet]

no

did you see his speed

[blazing falcon]

let me guess you prefer madara as the vanguard knowing he's the bad option?

[nova magnet]

he is NOT moving at a normal speed

maybe

since he's the stand user he can perceive what's happening

mih is busted tbh

[fallen timber]

well

ger is stronger

perhaps universe resetting wasnt a threat to it

[blazing falcon]

isnt it wonder of u?

[nova magnet]

all of them are strong stands

comparing them would be nearly impossible

you don't know if mih or ger or wou would win cuz they are all unstoppable stands

[fallen timber]

actually i feel wou could win against mih

[nova magnet]

you could say the same for jotaro

but mih could move in a time stop right

as far as i remember

[fallen timber]

yea

[nova magnet]

wasn't everyone time stopped at the time

if so why wouldn't everyone break out of it

[whole valley]

the sbr update shouldve been done when sbr got animated

[fallen timber]

C moon could move in time stop i think

idk about mih

[whole valley]

the one with trash jojo units

[fallen timber]

i remember jotaro time stopping

to check where pucchi is

[whole valley]

it does rn

[verbal flicker]

Mih shortened the duration and c moon gained timestop awareness due to gravity being equal to time

[fallen timber]

actually

that's on point

[whole valley]

the worst yba buff oat , they gave time stop resist to mih

that game always has trash updates

[fallen timber]

i didnt know people still play yba

[whole valley]

mih rn is unpunishable , i dont know why i played that game

[fallen timber]

i forgot about it

[nova magnet]

it's basically both

he can act in time stopped time by fast forwarding it to end faster

[fallen timber]

didnt jotaro time stop get nerfed due to him being in coma

[nova magnet]

yeah it was more against duo

[whole valley]

rn top 5 yba is kcr , twoh , scr , wr , ger

[nova magnet]

dio*

[verbal flicker]

Kinda? It’s mainly to age but the same thing would have happened to him in his prime abiet a moment slower

[whole valley]

c moon is super solid too id give top 6

[nova magnet]

im pretty sure all stands that can affect gravity are immune to time stop

a.k.a C moon, Mih, Tusk act 4

[hardy mural]

If the time is not running how can you fast forward It (its STOPPED)

[fallen timber]

can mih affect gravity?

[nova magnet]

mih is built different

[fallen timber]

i am so confused

[whole valley]

old yba is gone , uzukee never cared and made us wait half a year just to not nerf whats too op

[nova magnet]

mih accelerates time by affecting gravity

[fallen timber]

oh yea

mb

[whole valley]

yba is full of russians rn idk why

[nova magnet]

time stop is also in relation with gravity

[hardy mural]

Made in heaven on part 6 doesnt affected Jotaro Time stop at all, but It was apparently adapting to it

since Pucci could move his eyes

[whole valley]

like 80% of the players are russian 💀

3k i think

[nova magnet]

he did move though

[hardy mural]

ye i dont remember precisely

[whole valley]

6k actually

[nova magnet]

i forgot how he did but i think he appeared behind jotaro

in the timestop

[fallen timber]

as far i remember only him moving

[nova magnet]

not sure

[fallen timber]

in his time stop

with c moon

[whole valley]

it had 100k people and the devs just never listened , they couldnt go far

the client should be king always

[fallen timber]

sadly that isnt the case

[whole valley]

🤷🏻

[hardy mural]

AV Jojo update when

[fallen timber]

man i wish

[whole valley]

we legit should have gotten a part 6 update instead of part 7 xd

i hate how weak the jojo units are

[fallen timber]

eh doesnt matter it would been mid

because at that time

diff devs mostly

etc

[hardy mural]

Part 6 could be a x.5 easily

[whole valley]

yeah ur right

[hardy mural]

with Pucci as main unit

[fallen timber]

steel ball run will probably be reworked when anime drops

[nova magnet]

c moon affects gravity too

[fallen timber]

i mean part

[nova magnet]

in a more open way

[hardy mural]

all parts since part 3 could get their own x.0 update i believe

enough interesting characters

[whole valley]

and uncanon characters based on an anime also are a great idea imo

[hardy mural]

KC Requiem was the coldest take this game ever got

its a lame Diavolo is done kinda dirty by the old Dev team

[fallen timber]

yea but they should get kc requiem cooler model

[hardy mural]

Gogeta Ssj4 was cool too

[fallen timber]

i seen some crazy stuff design

with kc requiem

that looked so good

but that's just my opinion

[fallen timber]

yup

[hardy mural]

yba Old KCR

[nova magnet]

i just watched mih vs jotaro again

mih didn't move in jotaro's timestop

[fallen timber]

yea

[nova magnet]

jotaro only started barraging him once his timestop ended

[fallen timber]

mih doesnt have resistance to timestop

[nova magnet]

which mih was quick to dodge

[hardy mural]

I mean Kaguya isnt a bum character, but isnt hype as the First 2 Vanguards (even if DDD update was straight bums)

[nova magnet]

although he's really quick

[fallen timber]

if it was madara

[nova magnet]

his shadow was still there

when the barrages started

[fallen timber]

i am happy for any naruto character tho

[nova magnet]

yet he didn't take dmg

[fallen timber]

expected from pucchi

[nova magnet]

yeah

he moved so quick his shadow stayed there

[hardy mural]

jotaro was basically hitting an After image?

[whole valley]

imagine av adds Made In Hell instead of Made In Heaven

[nova magnet]

precisely

[fallen timber]

we need made in china

[whole valley]

Made in China would be fire

[nova magnet]

actually wait

[hardy mural]

i need to rewatch part 6, i think i missed some details

[nova magnet]

he was hitting him in the time stop i think

cuz only after jotaro's barrage finished the knifes moved

mih is one hell of a complicated stand

[fallen timber]

meanwhile me trying to understand d4c

[nova magnet]

i think MIH had multiple after images inside of jotaro's timestop

that's the only reasonable answer

[fallen timber]

i lowkey feel mad how mid valentine is in av

[hardy mural]

Quick question, would u guys preffer Emporio or Puccis brother as Weathers report user in game? his brother got more action but i really wanna ser Emporio on a TD game

[fallen timber]

pucchi brother

you could have emporio

as shiny

[hardy mural]

ita kinda funny bc he was called by his stand name 80% of the anime

[fallen timber]

i think amount of aura farming emporio did when outsmarting pucchi

was so peak

[hardy mural]

Emporio was Peak since start tbh

[fallen timber]

idk i didnt pay attention to him much

but damn it was earned

from pucchi brother getting his disk

jolyne giving it to emporio

and finally

[hardy mural]

the universe reset was a crazy final to the main universe

[fallen timber]

well author wanted fresh start

[hardy mural]

Bizarre in the name

[fallen timber]

jonathan was way better executed in part 7

i aint bad talking part 1 jonathan tho

[fallen timber]

bizzare

pucchi wanted to give people freedom to know their fate

in a most bizzare way possible

[hardy mural]

Dio's plan wasnt that merciful

do this word exist

[nova magnet]

bro he was litteraly racist

he could feel where joestars were

[fallen timber]

i am not saying he is good

villains can have their own twisted worldview

[nova magnet]

so anything that can manipulate gravity counters time stop

[fallen timber]

i wouldnt say exactly counter it

regardless pucchi treated jotaro like a biggest threat right next to jolyne

[nova magnet]

i mean

i did find an example in google

"time near black holes is slowed due to them being extremely massive"

[fallen timber]

pretty sure abilities that could counter time stop

return to zero

its just busted

infinity spin probably

aka tusk act 4

not sure about wou

mih can win

[nova magnet]

tusk act 4 manipulates gravity

he counters timestop aswell

think of "time" as a straight line

[fallen timber]

the bullets wouldnt stop

[nova magnet]

like this -------------------------

[fallen timber]

with time stopping

[nova magnet]

gravity can manipulate that line by making it shorter or longer

[fallen timber]

but if user is stopped from shooting those bullets

[fallen timber]

i mean yea

[lean axle]

Yooo a jojo update would be sick

[nova magnet]

this is proven once more with Mass from planets, or blackholes which have an extreme amount of mass, and mass is in relation with gravity which affects time

supermassive blackholes for example

[primal flint]

It got one already

A .5

[unique sand]

That one isn’t real

It never happened

[fallen timber]

exactly

i have no idea

what he is talking about

[unique sand]

The only jojo units we have are Joseph and Johnathan

[toxic scaffold]

they have like 5 players

[toxic scaffold]

.25 lol

[primal flint]

?

[eager nova]

B

[eager nova]

still surprising how there's no update on the coming soon and not coming soon thing

[unique sand]

It’s planned for the future, that’s all I know

Soon could be 7.0, could be 10.0

I know a little about what they’re planned to be for and what they’re aiming to release with, but it’s gonna take a while to code in

[willow vortex]

Man i jus want them to update 2-3 weeks

[nova magnet]

Soon could also be the gif that you post

10 years

[agile thunder]

Upd soon, right? 🥀

[willow vortex]

how far back was ggs update

[agile thunder]

14 days

13*

[willow vortex]

okay so we all pray for update by sunday right guys 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[agile thunder]

Trailer in 5 min

Or next week

[willow vortex]

5mins trus trus

[whole valley]

would be nice

if

u could control the path of the shadows

in places like legend EX

or ant raid

cuz the shadows kinda useless

they legit are rng 💀

[blazing falcon]

steel is trash?

woah

steel is used 99% of the time in ex

[whole valley]

for example

when theres two paths , the boss can be coming from the left and ur shadows are going to the right thats really annoying

i also noticed they always go to the right

thats a weird mechanic but yeah

[willow vortex]

Prolly jus cuz the right path is always path 1

[humble fossil]

exactly, they need to fix pvp and add 2v2s, 3v3s etc and the game is goated again

[fallen timber]

Steel is so goated

[eager nova]

Yeah but sadly they don’t read suggestions so these things won’t come soon

[fallen timber]

Pvp feels like it was rushed

Only 1v1s

Not to mention rewards are mid

I got like 5 coins

Per match

Why are they such cheapstakes in term of giving us stuff recently

[eager nova]

Yeah like how boring is that

[fallen timber]

Yea

Not to mention people can leave mid loading

And you lose elo for leaving due to that

So peak

[unique sand]

I mean, you're supposed to get more coins the higher rank you go, but the fixes are coming with 6.5

Also yeah only 1v1s, it's PvP

It'd be actually cancer if you could have more people for either more bans or more counter units

[eager nova]

What..?

[unique sand]

Exactly what I said? What's the confusing part

[neon drum]

hope to god they drop those fixes soon

ranked is fucking unbearable doing these matches for 5 whole coins

[fallow grove]

Goated

The issue with unique maps and mechanics for worldlines is that they are practically impossible when first added to worldlines

[blazing falcon]

They do read suggestions

No reason for them to respond to a suggestion on about if they approve of it in the first place because that'll make the community think that this will be coming next update

Another reason why the tags got removed... because of what would happen in those situations

[verbal flicker]

Then why not make an indicator that the reaction is considered?

[hoary veldt]

I'm gonna be real I just don't think guilds would solve why AV is dying lol

[vast crescent]

Would probably help

More than pvp did atleast

Ofc the easiest solution is making updates people want

Instead of "random bullshit go"

[hoary veldt]

Like it's fine to want guilds don't get me wrong, but thinking it'll save the game is just high hopes lol

[hoary veldt]

Idk I just always see guilds as something that just rewards the P2W or something that rewards no one

[vast crescent]

Thats not how its meant to be

[hoary veldt]

Yeah but it's a roblox game, that's how it will be lol

[vast crescent]

The simplest implementation would legit just be weekly quests and co op play

And just have a guild shop

The lbs can be p2w

[hoary veldt]

Idk I guess I'll have to wait and see, but I've personally never cared for guilds

[vast crescent]

The reason people like guilds in other games is because theyre extremely rewarding

Ofc if the devs wanna be bums and make the guild rewards like 20 rrs a week then nobody would care

[hoary veldt]

Always seemed like so much work for not many rewards, and I don't like multi-player content anyway, I like solo stuff

[vast crescent]

But if the rewards are good people will play em

Theres no good implementation of guilds in this genre yet, and its not smth thats hard to implement

I would take those over fucking pvp anyday 💀

[hoary veldt]

Like I said wellx just have to wait and see

[vast crescent]

Yeah i have full faith in the devs to fuck guilds up tbh

[hoary veldt]

I get wanting guild I don't have anything against that, but to say it'll save the game is just cope lol

[vast crescent]

Make them so buggy on release that most people never give them a second chance

[hoary veldt]

They need a nice streamline way to actually grind rr, because doing 5 different game modes all for multiple hours each is SO ANNOYING

[willow vortex]

what do you suggest (Jus askin cuz i agree its annoying to go allll over the place)... imo i thought oddesy was gonna be like that

im suprised oddesy dosent like spawn chests that have a chance to give you rewards in stage

when its supposed to be like a dungeon craler ish game mode

[brave beacon]

Definetely not gonna happen

[vast crescent]

Yep

They hate magnos with a burning passion but magnos are realistically the only way you can play at an efficient rate

[eager nova]

Never said it will

[indigo fox]

We ALL will be playing anime run kingdom once av dies

[indigo fox]

It’s peak bro trust

[hoary veldt]

I think if they reworked stuff like half hourly challenges and took the random rr you get from stuff like Odyssey they could just put that into the other game modes,

Or imo, just get rid of the half hourly wait for rr challenges, that's the main nuisance when it comes to fully grinding rr (Ovb you still get a decent amount for doing the other main stuff but you get what I mean.)

[solid urchin]

-# I wonder how guilds will work in this game….

[hoary veldt]

But idk they said they won't rework Odyssey rewards, and aren't planning on new gamemodes anymore.
While I personally think they should make Odyssey a bit more of a nice farming gamemode for everything, the devs want it to be more for Familiars which is fine

[solid urchin]

THEY NEED TO REWORK FUCKING ELEMENTAL REACTIONS FOR THE LOVE OF GODDDDD
-# pwettty pwease

[hoary veldt]

Idk, but if it's anything like other games it won't be worth the wait for the people who want it, and the people who didn't care still won't

[hoary veldt]

Yeah only gamemode that has it is portals rn that's probably why they havent yet lol

[willow vortex]

imo bounties could be a very reroll centric mode, without having to rework alot of stuff, having smth like a bounty board

[willow vortex]

also im p sure elemental reactions are gonna be removed cuz NO ONE likes them

[hoary veldt]

Yeah I saw that post, bounties desperately needs a rework lol

[hoary veldt]

No one liked them cuz half of them forced you to just not use like 70% of your units lol

[willow vortex]

yeah i liked it alot, a bounty board with increasing difficulty and rewads sounds so sick

[willow vortex]

yeah and back hen sokura was the ONLY unkinown so

[solid urchin]

😭 the original suggestion of it looks better

[hoary veldt]

I still like the Odyssey game mode
But they won't do nothing else with it lol

[unique sand]

I begged for better shard rates too

I had a whole thing of extra features for it, but it's not worth the effort of implementing into odyssey at this point

[willow vortex]

it does cuz it honestly jus focuses on elements BUFFING the units through reactions

but av tried to change it up and buff and debuff units with the ractions

but its horrible

[hoary veldt]

Just get rid of downsides and keep upsides with reactions

That'll fix most of the problems people had

[willow vortex]

yeah

[unique sand]

I think the downsides are fine

[willow vortex]

its fine to have some but all of them are too much

[unique sand]

I just think the system could use a little more balancing between upside vs downside

[willow vortex]

not everything neds to react

[unique sand]

True

Honestly

[hoary veldt]

Like yeah bringing a water unit to a fire thing could merit some downside

[willow vortex]

like i liekd the idea in concept, but the execution was abyssmal

[hoary veldt]

But holy in fire? Should just be positive or no reaction

[willow vortex]

you know what that reminds me of

the weather

[gentle citrus]

idk I like portals better if they were like 100% more nature or shi cause I never swap units for elemental reactions cause vsjw is too strong

[unique sand]

I think the chart should more be about (x) + (y) element, and not based on what's attacking vs what's defending

[willow vortex]

yeah

[hoary veldt]

They need more weather 🙏 it's getting stale rn

[willow vortex]

but problem is that elements dont apply like statuses like in genshin

thats why they did it the way they did it

[hoary veldt]

Idk for now I'm not really even playing roblox games lol, most of them are just the exact same as 60 other games

[solid urchin]

Holy & Blast
Regen and Revitalize portal💔

[willow vortex]

it be like that

[solid urchin]

CAT

[willow vortex]

its just cause and effect, ppl see and easy way to make a quick buck

make the game

update it like 5 times and abandon it after they make their money

[hoary veldt]

Like I got Baiken and Lfelt, but since I can't get Monarch I just don't feel a need to grind them out when they are generally worse than my other units

Like why would I use them generally when I have deadeye Aizen, or ethereal Ichigo, or my deadeye Dante and vergil

[vast crescent]

Yeah shouldve just been a pokemon type system with +50% and -33% damage or smth

The current one is just insanely convoluted and the only reactions that matter are holy

[willow vortex]

like are they unevo cuz if so i get it, lfet is cracked tho

[gentle citrus]

Type shi I never use any other units unless they are monarch cause I got 11 of them so unless they are support or monarch they’re useless suffering from success type shi

[solid urchin]

I freaking hate the holy reaction

It’s suffering

[gentle citrus]

100%. More. Healing.

[rain vale]

Why is suggestion always off topic bro

😭

[hoary veldt]

Yeah they both unevo

[gentle citrus]

Cause we talk about it for a hour get bored and start talkin about

other stuf

[willow vortex]

then yeah i dont see a point in evo them

[gentle citrus]

In my opinion

They should add type souls combat to av

make it so the bosses can fight back

[hoary veldt]

💀

[gentle citrus]

So u have to parry them

if they’re hakuda u gotta use ur hyperarmor moves

if they pop Bankai u should call in ur teammates to gank him

[hoary veldt]

Like that old Astd Halloween event lol

[solid urchin]

😭 Then you got that damn Blast reaction with Curse that stuns you like crazy

[gentle citrus]

ASTD referenced ❤️🙏🙏

[vast crescent]

Tbh at this point unless the portals are something stupid

With the bosses have 10m hp in namek or smth

Vsjw just clears

So shouldnt be too bad

[hoary veldt]

Day 1 player bro
That SSJ 3 goku meta

[gentle citrus]

tsss was my first taste of a TD game

anime td*

First one was tower battles

[hoary veldt]

I played like Tower heroes

[gentle citrus]

Watchu knows bout the golden minigunner

[gentle citrus]

real ones know tower blitz

[hoary veldt]

I dont remember...

Not a real one ig

[gentle citrus]

Packgod humble ts fool

[hoary veldt]

I just be playing awtd nowadays
The goat of atd's frfr

Only come back to av when I see stuff I like or want lol

[verbal flicker]

It’s so much for me to get into 😭 I really want to play the persona update but honestly not interested in progressing in the game

[viscid lynx]

the game progression isnt linear, its not like ur normal TDS game
story mode is only used to unlock raids, which you dont need to do since you can craft mostly every material using the alchemy

[mighty forge]

bring andree back

[vast crescent]

Or someone explain to valk that units that require more attention than a newborn dont work in these games

[ripe hawk]

ban you

[remote echo]

User Banned

✅ @mighty forge has been successfully banned.

[mighty forge]

thank you

saved me with brain eating suggestions

[hoary veldt]

Fair enough not for everyone

[summer veldt]

🚲

[summer veldt]

5k ccu isnt healthy rhetoric for every game

[summer veldt]

Astd….

[summer veldt]

Devs fixing sandbox error
Faster than the update errors which are more important to playerbase…

[willow vortex]

took me ages to get makoto before i jus got someone to carry me

[willow vortex]

*alot of bots dont forget guys

lit had to ban tons of bots time nd time again

[summer veldt]

100x faster😭

Fr

[fallen timber]

Meanwhile people waiting for auto on new units