PLEASE NERF ELPHELT

[sage compass]

woke up, lfelt nerfed to the ground, life is good

[narrow belfry]

maybe theres some strat in inf idk but

[frosty nest]

Not nerfed to the grind

She’s still top 1

[thick smelt]

grind

[unique crown]

When he was my best monarch

[sage compass]

[thick smelt]

why would you want her dead

[dire egret]

you just can't spam shotgun loop

[sage compass]

40k dps or sum g

[thick smelt]

like actually
let her be good ig

[narrow belfry]

???

[frosty nest]

It’s like 180k

[sage compass]

prove me

[unique crown]

Hell no

[thick smelt]

we should ask for gearboy buff

[frosty nest]

With shot gun loop yes

[sage compass]

mate

her abil

[dire egret]

I would've kept this to 25%

[frosty nest]

That’s 0.2 seconds

[sage compass]

has a spa OF 5

[narrow belfry]

sin is mostly for beginners thats why

[mighty tapir]

no point arguing with people like this

[frosty nest]

Bro

[sage compass]

g her abil has 5 sec cd

[narrow belfry]

if they really wanted to nerf to multipler i feel like 20-15 is fair

[mighty tapir]

the only reason they defend lphelt is because they depend on her entirely

and have no other good units

[sage compass]

only monarch ahh

[frosty nest]

Look up left monarch showcase from valk

[dire egret]

nah 25 is fine knowing you can only convert 20 enemies at once

[frosty nest]

She does hella dps

[narrow belfry]

fairs ig

[thick smelt]

he looks cool with that flag

[mighty tapir]

dps =/= damage every attack 🤦‍♂️

[split timber]

alright chat who wants calcs

[frosty nest]

The ability allows her to animation cancel dealing double dmg

[dire egret]

I can see Sin being good in PVP

[frosty nest]

Omg

💔

[unique crown]

Me smart boy

[narrow belfry]

they added his whole family as units but his father

his father ended up being a skin

tragic 💔

[sage compass]

that showcase was 4 days ago

[split timber]

i cant send the fcukass showcase ts pmo

is it in av vids

[mighty tapir]

smart people

or pmart smeople

[frosty nest]

She does like

[unique crown]

The moonson one?

[thick smelt]

both

[split timber]

fuck

[frosty nest]

260k dps

With shotgun loop

[sage compass]

even moonson said she fell
off hard now

[frosty nest]

You can easily look it up

[unique crown]

Not anymore brotato

[sage compass]

bro she got nerfed

[opaque bridge]

whats elphelts new dps?

[sage compass]

[mighty tapir]

250k dps fell off?

[frosty nest]

She other ability got nerfed

[split timber]

like 100k dps if you just spam her ability now, but if you use her as a nuker you can get like 7m+ damage in just esdeath timestop.

[mighty tapir]

this is the future generation of the av community 💔

[narrow belfry]

100k is still really good

[split timber]

you need to spam ability every 6.3 seconds now

with monarch

[frosty nest]

Y’all are fucking idiots

[sage compass]

both, look in upd log, her shotgun loops has 5 cd

[unique crown]

She doesnt do 250k dps

[split timber]

i think so yeah

[narrow belfry]

dunno where ppl r getting she fell off hard

so yhwach is officially top 1 then now

[split timber]

for a unit that isn't even expensive to max out

[split timber]

probs

[frosty nest]

She does like 100-150k dps with the nerf

[mighty tapir]

spamming sl with appropriate buffs gets her over 250k dps 😭

[split timber]

nerf yhwach now

[sage compass]

she got nerfed bro, it takes 2 clicks to see

[unique crown]

Always been lowkey

[frosty nest]

She’s still top 1

[thick smelt]

first impression after seeing the nerfs

[narrow belfry]

😭

[split timber]

no actually

[mighty tapir]

shes still insane... it takes one scroll to see

[dire egret]

Elphelt's still top 5

[split timber]

shes great

[sage compass]

how did they let u pass math classes

[unique crown]

When do you get link perms

[split timber]

but no longer top 1

[thick smelt]

people think a single nerf can kill a unit instantly

[narrow belfry]

hes like top 3-5 mayb

she*

still insanely busted

just a bit of overreacting from the community

now lets buff valentine please

[unique crown]

Shes third overall

[sage compass]

she ahh

[split timber]

actually within the realms of comprehension now

thankfully

would i say third?

hmmm

[narrow belfry]

valentine has so much potiental

[frosty nest]

Ragebait

💔

[dire egret]

I have a bigger problem with the devs nerfing a unit multiple times in a short time period

[narrow belfry]

i would lowkey push for 3rd

i think shes stable enough for 3rd

[mighty tapir]

respectfully you just want your only good unit to be buffed again

[frosty nest]

She needed the nerf

[split timber]

idk ima think about it

[thick smelt]

not everything is rage bait bro
stupid people exist

[narrow belfry]

Never buffing always nerfing

[sage compass]

till sunmoon drops her dps and we all gasp in shock to her ahh

[split timber]

cid just gets more valuable the more 20+ wave gamemdes come out

[unique crown]

I mean if she doesnt get butchered anymore shes top 2/3

[frosty nest]

What?

[narrow belfry]

i mean next upd is portals again so cid is gonna be insanely valuable

[split timber]

i personally think shes 4

[unique crown]

He did alr

[split timber]

in my humble opinion

[mighty tapir]

english is this guys 5th language 💔

[sage compass]

u can look at my profile on the game g, i dont need any of my units to be buffed

[dire egret]

yeah, idk who thought it was a good idea to make Love Shot that broken

40 range for fucks sake

[mighty tapir]

whats your best unit?

[frosty nest]

All of the nerfs were needed

[split timber]

either 4 or 5, depending where you place byeken and cid

[mighty tapir]

raw dps wise

[thick smelt]

byeken need a nerf

[sage compass]

hard to say between mon yhwach and mon sjw

[dire egret]

Im convinced the devs don't care about the meta

[unique crown]

True it just pisses me off when you nerf units

[frosty nest]

Byeken is so mid

[unique crown]

And i didnt even roll on her

[mighty tapir]

ass

[thick smelt]

oh hell nah

[split timber]

0/10 ragebait

[frosty nest]

She’s only good with left

[narrow belfry]

i feel like she provides more value then cid tbh, but even on 15 wave modes cid mini nuke on swap is valuable

[thick smelt]

💀

[narrow belfry]

i personally think there =

[sage compass]

whats yours, and dw, i got more monarchs

[mighty tapir]

none of those are guarenteeing mvps

[unique crown]

If you have to nerf a unit youve already done something wrong as a balancer

[split timber]

thing is you kinda need autoclicker to get that dps

[boreal echo]

Real

[mighty tapir]

the premise of a "good unit" is to be able to compete with the units of other people

[boreal echo]

She got the nerf she’s fine now

[mighty tapir]

not just 3 nukes and big aoe

lol

[narrow belfry]

yea that is true tbh

[boreal echo]

Stop tryna push to nerf and buff every unit yall js don’t fuck with

[split timber]

also just like vergil a lot of that dps is happening in her attack 1 circle. its not as bad as vergil but its still not a full 210 cone

[frosty nest]

Tester said they had the changes day 1 and we’re just waiting to be published

[split timber]

id say shes fine now

[mighty tapir]

starsowhn is my user

you can search it up

[split timber]

99k dps isnt overwhelming

[thick smelt]

that is a excuse

[narrow belfry]

isnt her attack 1 a straight line

[split timber]

and the nuke potential is strong

[mighty tapir]

the 6 monarchs displayed arent even my best ones

[frosty nest]

What else would it be💔

[sage compass]

too lazy to do it, js tell me urs

[split timber]

i lowkey am forgetting

[mighty tapir]

you wouldnt believe meif i told you lol

[split timber]

but im just saying that most of her dps isnt in that giant aoe

[mighty tapir]

ill just take an ss

[sage compass]

ok

[split timber]

thats all

[thick smelt]

they just let the unit to be broken to abuse it

and then nerf it when they are done

[mighty tapir]

6/11

[narrow belfry]

ye, but if you put her on a long straight line she can get amazing value out of the follow ups

[unique crown]

Devs/testers dont even play the game

[mighty tapir]

also my profile has changed since

[frosty nest]

Tourney’s are getting reset anyway so it doesn’t matter

[sage compass]

i see 3 usable and 1 that is too expensive to be used in anything else than inf

[unique crown]

Rich give me one

[narrow belfry]

i personally rate her above cid for 3rd but i can see why cid would be 3rd for most ppl

[dire egret]

I'm confused by the last part

[mighty tapir]

i see 4 metas better than your fod 🤷‍♂️

keep up the seethe tho

[narrow belfry]

i would say there equal if i had to

[split timber]

ima have to think about ratings

100k is still pretty good

[frosty nest]

CID is number 1 imo

[split timber]

but there's units that do more than that now, so there's actually real competetion for once

[narrow belfry]

the exploding attack cannot attack the same enemy twice

[sage compass]

i also got mon aizen dw and dantes, gilga mon is ahh, gojo is ahh and yama is also ahh,

[mighty tapir]

ragebait 💔

[dire egret]

so multiple explosions can't effect one enemy?

[mighty tapir]

yama monarch is ass guys 😭

[thick smelt]

hell nah

[mighty tapir]

this dude is a 🤡

[thick smelt]

the rage bait is crazy

[sage compass]

what is he meta for

[thick smelt]

1970 next generations

[split timber]

ima be real yama monarch isnt as good as people think he is but hes not ass

[unique crown]

Lowkey is gng im sorry

[narrow belfry]

psure yes

[sage compass]

no tourna meta, no inf meta, nothing

[mighty tapir]

I will not be partaking in conversation with rage baiters

[sage compass]

js a filler unit

[split timber]

yama is quite overrated in the grand scale of things

[narrow belfry]

so the same explosion cannot attack the enemy, but a new explosion can iirc

[split timber]

people said hes as strong as yhwach or aizen

[mighty tapir]

this might by 1970's alt

[split timber]

but like

[sage compass]

he is not used for strats tourna, inf or anything else, USELESS 🤧

[split timber]

he really is not

[dire egret]

this is why these units should be available in Sandbox atleast a week after they drop

[mighty tapir]

🤡 alerrrrrt

[split timber]

that doesnt make him ass

[sage compass]

he is far from that wth

[split timber]

but uh

hes not as high as people like to think

simple as that

[sage compass]

ask any comp player, yama is ahh and overrated

[unique crown]

Yamamoto tech for infinite lb 🤫

[mighty tapir]

yama is not as good as yhwach but he is the easiest place and afk unit in the game

[narrow belfry]

i think the passive itself is just worded really wrongly

[split timber]

tbh comp is a whole different problem yama just fucking crashes the game at high waves

[unique crown]

1 trillion skeleton nuke

[mighty tapir]

nb ever even mentions yamamoto

[split timber]

his summons are laggy as shit

[thick smelt]

wait what

[dire egret]

you think?

[sage compass]

he aint his summons aint doing shit against a 300 mil
health boss

[mighty tapir]

name one boss with over 30m hp

[dire egret]

if Yamamoto skeletons were able to be spawned anywhere he'd be meta

[sage compass]

he is useless, not meta for anything

[unique crown]

Yes it does yamamoto gains dmg by the second

[narrow belfry]

ye thats what it feels like tbh

[split timber]

i think vsjw existing kinda permanently snatches that role lol

[unique crown]

Hes talking infinite

[thick smelt]

10x multiplier sandbox boss

[sage compass]

inf ..? thats what i was talking abt lmao

[narrow belfry]

it makes sense when you read it but from when you see it at first, doesnt really

[split timber]

talking about lbs gang

[mighty tapir]

not really if its manual

[split timber]

what

[misty cliff]

The best place and afk unit is yhwach

The other have ass aoe on placement

[sage compass]

if he aint meta for any lbs, ion wanna see his ahh

[mighty tapir]

thats like saying gogeta is not good since u cant use him in 15 wave gamemodes

[thick smelt]

uryu victim

[mighty tapir]

LOL

[split timber]

ahk magnos can just spawn vsjw summons at perfect timings

[sage compass]

i said usable in inf abt him gng

[misty cliff]

Doesnt even kill enemies fast enough broski

[split timber]

unknown element is insanely helpful

[mighty tapir]

doesnt matter, the premise of your argument revolves around one gm

invalidating it

[barren comet]

I’m loving This

[thick smelt]

every unit with it will be always broken

[mighty tapir]

im dying this

[frosty nest]

That’s why cid is number 1

[sage compass]

ado

[misty cliff]

Sakura

[sage compass]

this yama glazer

[barren comet]

Who are u bro?

[narrow belfry]

nah i feel like yhwach can compete with cid purely cuz of the cosmic buff + being cheaper

[mighty tapir]

when did i ever glaze yama..?

[sage compass]

[mighty tapir]

is this the average av player now a days

[thick smelt]

she still have uses

[misty cliff]

Not for her element

[mighty tapir]

ignore this goof he is ragebaiting 💔

[barren comet]

idk I’m just reading bro

[misty cliff]

Her element literally does nothing for her

[unique crown]

Yhwach and uryu secret interaction

[dire egret]

Purple Sakura >>> Secret Sakura

[mighty tapir]

both todos dogs

[sage compass]

dont let me leak them chats brodie

[unique crown]

Todo and yuji tech

[barren comet]

Ngl i know him and he is such a ragebaiter sometimes

[sage compass]

yama is straight up dodo

😪

[mighty tapir]

ima guess he is an uneducated lvl 100

[sage compass]

g

no lds meta

=

dodo unit

filler

💔

[narrow belfry]

nerf tengen

🤞

[sage compass]

how does one even come to this statement

[mighty tapir]

by your logic, tengen>vegito

bros an idiot

[narrow belfry]

i feel like it

nerf tengen

[sage compass]

???

when did i say that

lmao

[frosty nest]

Why is tengen that high

[sage compass]

and

[narrow belfry]

nerf valentine too and nerf naruto 🤣 🤞

[sage compass]

WHO uses this tierlist

😭

[mighty tapir]

his passives and full aoe

[mighty tapir]

show me the tl youre using

[sage compass]

illusion's tierlist

done by sunmoon

and another guy

and even if u used that tierlist

vegito is a support for inf

and u dont rlly used anyone in z+

[thick smelt]

what is choso doing there

[dire egret]

ppl still consider Saber meta

[sage compass]

only dps u use is godly and the monarch tier

for inf

and then only support

no one uses units from z+

in inf

[mighty tapir]

this dude is taking ts to heart

calm down brochacho its av

[thick smelt]

meta for beginners

[sage compass]

??

[mighty tapir]

i mean if full aoe 100k hp summons is mid

ydy 🤷‍♂️

[dire egret]

I'd only get her for Salter tbh

[sage compass]

for inf

100%

lmao

[mighty tapir]

🤷‍♂️ ydy

[thick smelt]

it took me 450 runs for a single salter

[mighty tapir]

since infinite is everything in this game

[sage compass]

if u aint playing comp u aint playing av

[mighty tapir]

dude keeps talking abt inf like he has ever placed

[dire egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208121918855577700/1371014065027022961/giphy.gif

[thick smelt]

bro what

[mighty tapir]

inf is not all of comp 💔

[sage compass]

🔥

[sage compass]

where ur tourna title at 💔

[mighty tapir]

i dont have one for inf

[thick smelt]

what about pvp

[sage compass]

what about it

[limber spruce]

are you mad you dont have her monarch or something

[mighty tapir]

besides inf, there is 2 traited and traitless tourny

worldlines

[sage compass]

monarch lfelt owner

[mighty tapir]

new pvp

and before there was br

[sage compass]

yeah..? yhwach is the king of worldlines

[mighty tapir]

until you get infite tsukyomi

ragebait at its peak

[pulsar frost]

I didn't roll on anyone this upd

[thick smelt]

lancer is the king of wordlines

[sage compass]

and there u js pull out monarch dantes

🔥

[mighty tapir]

why are we voting no for ex stages bruh

they are legit soloable

[thick smelt]

that explain a lot

[pulsar frost]

?

[mighty tapir]

why cant hardcore players have anything 💔

[thick smelt]

im voting no until they fix their disgusting matchmaking

[mighty tapir]

its simple tho

[sage compass]

agreeing w this guy on this one

[narrow belfry]

it was so rewarding when you can solo ex stage

[mighty tapir]

if you cant beat it solo or with minimal teamates

[narrow belfry]

i use ex 4 to farm green essences stones 💔

[mighty tapir]

then its not for you

just lay off the stage until youre strong enough 🤷‍♂️

[narrow belfry]

avg like 9 per run is pretty crazy

[mighty tapir]

fr

[thick smelt]

idc if the content is hard or no
if im supposed to do with people then make your matchmaking work

[old furnace]

Ex stage suck

[narrow belfry]

my only issue with EX stage was how RNG the GGST one is

i hate having to restart for the prefect lane

then restarting for modifers

thats the only thing

[sage compass]

or js find some
people, better than doing w complete randoms

[mighty tapir]

just because a new unit comes out doesnt mean all the lvl 50s gotta get it

stick to getting saber r gojo 💔

[narrow belfry]

aleast this is fair

makes both sides happy

[sage compass]

fs

[limber spruce]

guy who didnt even roll on any units wants to complain about a monarch 0.1% chance on a 2% chance unit being strong

[mighty tapir]

sure ig

[thick smelt]

hell yea

[pulsar frost]

are u crying because u have monarch on her?

[mighty tapir]

i just think people want to be able to 🥭 it

but its too hard for that

[limber spruce]

i rolled monarch in 200 rolls after dropping 2100 for monarch on cid so yeah

[sage compass]

it was js too strong, 260k dps was unhealthy, ofc she has to he strong but that was too much

[thick smelt]

isn't there already one

i bet i saw one video

[pulsar frost]

in what world was 260k dps on a secret rarity elphelt balanced, are u high

[mighty tapir]

if you can 🥭 it then youre still strong enough to complete it

but if its easier then anyone can do it

[limber spruce]

i could care less about love shot

[mighty tapir]

and since its an ex stage, you can legit tinytask

[narrow belfry]

should of added the goat happy chaos vanguard and make him do 500k dps 🤞

[mighty tapir]

aside from modifiers ofc

[limber spruce]

but taking the one part about her kit (micro managing shotgun and animation cancelling for max dps) and make it not micro managable anymore is not fun

[pulsar frost]

u can just autoclick her shotgun loop and not have to place anything else, what micro management

[sage compass]

since all the units are mediocre or old units still do the job as good or better we all js keeping for kaguya 🥀

[thick smelt]

which is what most people want

[limber spruce]

thank you for proving you know nothing about lfelt's kit and just wanted a reason to complain

[pulsar frost]

"oh gee guys, spam clicking loop is so tiring 260k dps is honestly nothing crazy"

[mighty tapir]

right but not everyone NEEDS it

[limber spruce]

its not as simple as setting a clicker on her ability

[narrow belfry]

can we nerf deidara

[mighty tapir]

if youre low level stick to easier-to-obtain units

[limber spruce]

lol

[pulsar frost]

if u scroll up near the top of this thread someone attached pics

[mighty tapir]

doesnt mean you NEED best units in the game

[sage compass]

WHAT can antigatecrasher possibly type for 5 minutes straight

[narrow belfry]

hes op in ABA so he needs a nerf in AV

it makes sense

[thick smelt]

a bible

[pulsar frost]

I'm not even typing anything 😔

[thick smelt]

tell that to them
my friend level 20 wanted me to carry him go get vsjw when he doesn't even have decent units or something else

[pulsar frost]

thank you for proving ur salty about the nerf hop off man

[thick smelt]

new players judt want to be op instantly

[sage compass]

chainsaw man update when 😪

[pulsar frost]

on my case for no reason holy

[limber spruce]

screenshots of what exactly

[narrow belfry]

copy als

[woeful snow]

you could solo rift with traitless elphelt

[narrow belfry]

fire

[limber spruce]

im searching but you didn't really give me an image category to look for

[pulsar frost]

search images from @enderian

I kinda forgot which one

[thick smelt]

now you just need vigor 1

[sage compass]

someone kept spamming it in stage chat and i was salty asf about it but i thinking abt it i realised that it really meets the av update criteria, characters have a lot of diff "passives" in the anime aswell which makes them perfect u like something like one piece or naruto

[dire egret]

fr I need my GOAT in the game 🔥

[sage compass]

the passives gonna go CRAZY on all the units

[thick smelt]

als amount of yapping in passives for just it to be a damage buff is crazy

[sage compass]

als worst td oat

[pulsar frost]

@split timber u see this bro

[dire egret]

average ALS unit passives/abilities

[green palm]

Lfelt was extremely overtuned beforehand I don’t know how people can argue against that

[sage compass]

what if we all unite to make sure we getting a csm update

[pulsar frost]

they're just salty

[split timber]

"micromanaging" was always just autoclicking

[thick smelt]

that amount of yapping is a crime against mobile players

[split timber]

let's be so for real

if you wanna micro manage start clicking every 6.3 seconds now

you still get 100k dps like that

[pulsar frost]

yeah idek what he was on about, talking like she is trash if u don't "micro manage" the way he says u have to

[sage compass]

its release to update 1 passives from av

[dire egret]

it's literally just a bunch of shit that doesn't compliment eachother

[green palm]

Like I have her monarch too, she’s still a goated ass unit 😭
She just literally doesn’t powercreep everyone else that existed ever

[sage compass]

Yhwach brutal mog

[thick smelt]

because people like seeing big numbers appear

[green palm]

Who doesn’t he

[sage compass]

i feel like the vid on "monarch lfelt vs ex stage" was the final straw for the devs

[thick smelt]

can we buff salter
she deserve to deal 1m damage 🙏🏼

[dire egret]

Like who even likes these unit mechanics

[sage compass]

he js the goat

[sage compass]

"Lets copy av and do passives" - "aight bet" - the passives - "oh YEAH add some more secret damage, make it 10% more range every 2 hits oh yeah, we are so smart"

als devs talking with balancers

[green palm]

Nah she just wasn’t calculated correctly

[split timber]

tbh als doesnt take itself too seriously for the most part

[split timber]

yhwach nerfs next

[dire egret]

then a bunch of the units have the same "swap between five different attacks that all inflict different status effects"

[thick smelt]

they known how horrible is their game but people like it so they don't care

[sage compass]

my boy so goated that everyone loves him

[dire egret]

yup ppl are moronic

[sage compass]

uhm, star wars update when

[tranquil cedar]

who even is thay

[thick smelt]

-made yhwach second hit only deal 25% of his original damage

• Reduced the buff % he gets from reducing other units stats
  -Made him able to be stunned

[tranquil cedar]

aang?

[dire egret]

ALS like percent

[thick smelt]

makima

[sage compass]

so we making him sub meta

alright

hell

thats unusable

🔥

[dire egret]

banger sneak

[sage compass]

lwk

next sneak is darth vader and gollum

🔥 🔥

[sinful tendon]

They rly adding homura

GG

[barren escarp]

amount of no's in polls is crazy

ngl i want hard but not impossible stages

like a stage that can't be macr*ed but has a higher drop chance

and at the same time is between hard and impossible yet doesn't require monarchs

maybe im asking for too much

[barren escarp]

nah he's the soul king

ppl act like yhwach is too op when he's only op situationally

other units like vsjw don't need a full team dedicated to them

[thick smelt]

bro what

the ts meta will be cooked for months

[sinful tendon]

idk what the sneak is but

sao, black lagoon or madoka

[barren escarp]

where u get this from

[sinful tendon]

rpg

[barren escarp]

?

[sinful tendon]

all 3 of them have a main character who uses weapons like a rocket launcher lol

the background too, the auras blue and orange are associated with madoka magica iirc

[barren escarp]

i see jason's mask for some reason

[sinful tendon]

tokyo ghoul 🙏

[split timber]

Hes uh

Very much broken

Useful for literally everything

Calling yhwach situational is insanity

[barren escarp]

situational as in

he needs rares

also his 2nd passive

needs another enemy on the map aside from the boss and there isn't always one that survives

[split timber]

He gets to 70k dps with just max passives and 4 units in range, alongside good birb or allotavisits

[gilded sleet]

One before the last looks like an astolfo skin

[split timber]

Always one in hard gamemodes

[barren escarp]

yeah but you gotta dedicate a team to him

[gilded sleet]

Cause of his instrument (idk how is it called)

[barren escarp]

otherwise you lose 30% from ur other units

dmg

[split timber]

Hes been meta for wl, tourneys, inf and literally everything progressive related since his inception

[barren escarp]

yeah ofc

[split timber]

Yhwach is THE unit

[barren escarp]

i mean

he's one of the best for tournaments

but my point is

he needs a team dedicated to him

unlike other monarchs who can work on other teams

wherever you equip them

[split timber]

As i said

70k dps

[barren escarp]

what about it

[split timber]

With just 30% passive and 4 units in range

Ie farms

And birb

In a massive full aoe

[barren escarp]

yes bro i know

im not saying he's bad

[split timber]

He needs a team to reach figures like 200k, sure

But he works fairly well with other monarchs so long as there are farms

[barren escarp]

im talking about having him as ur only dps

in a team

i guess ill just keep repeating myself

none of us will agree so lets leave it here

[split timber]

Yeah idk what we're arguing about

Im just saying hes phenomenal on basically every teamcomp

Maximizing him does need a certain one, yes

[reef ferry]

Will winter portals stay after 6.5 to get gift boxes?

[muted sigil]

I mean they'll stay in your inv

wont be able to do things with the presents

idk if the gift boxes will stay tho

[reef ferry]

Hmm okay I see

[naive parcel]

do love portals still give full rewards?

[reef ferry]

No idea, who do those 💀

[barren escarp]

probabl

like the gazelle evo material prob

[naive parcel]

yea i prob should ask for the rewards to be removed from winter portals when they disapear then

[barren escarp]

we won

the soul king has obtained his position

[primal beacon]

Yet doing better then av

[short bluff]

yall hated lfelt so hard the devs became delulu and nerfed her to hell

[barren escarp]

she wasn't nerfed

they forgot to add a cd to her passive

but now they added it

as for loveshot yeah it got nerfed to the ground

[pine musk]

Why yewach is #1 broken?

[barren escarp]

ion know

[naive parcel]

big dps full aoe

[north zephyr]

big dmg full aoe, self cleanse every 30 seconds, immune to stuns, can act as a buffer and almost always has 2x dmg

[mellow crown]

monarch elphelt or monarch baiken?

[primal beacon]

baiken

[naive parcel]

lfelt tbh

baiken has good dps but majority of kit works without monarch

[mellow crown]

is baiken good with aizen/vergil

[primal beacon]

yeah]

place baiken near aizen

and use the one move to grab everyone then use the wall

best in slot for aizen

thats just me tho

[primal beacon]

also lfelt with dead eye did more dmg then monarch for some reason with a 6sec auto clicker

[buoyant sorrel]

she still op tho

[sleek forge]

still doing 100k dps

and for some fucking reason people still crying

[buoyant sorrel]

i meant

they dont wanna work hard for good units

easy work for that good unit

[reef ferry]

Please keep the gift boxes

Need my 15% rr

[reef ferry]

Her DPS relies on getting taken down, monarch would helps so much more

Also her tethered, repulse, claw, get over here doesn’t stack so

Why have multiple

And there’s so much better slow units

[reef ferry]

Ppl invested rr for 250k dps, ofc some ppl get upset, ppl always complain

[buoyant sorrel]

ngl

i would nerf lfelt more

[reef ferry]

I think a couple ppl would like a word with you

[buoyant sorrel]

ehh i dont mind greenies

[reef ferry]

By ppl, I mean monarch elfelt users only

[sleek forge]

like

why she

doing more dps

than ywach

[reef ferry]

Yhwach is status immune, basically full immune cause he’s cosmic

And he only cost 60k to max

And his aoe is HUGE

Elfelt cost more, require constant micro management

[sleek forge]

i mean why she doing dps than ywach

we dont talk about how good of ywach

[reef ferry]

She’s the golden child of the devs

That’s why

[sleek forge]

ywach still the best unit in the end of the day

[reef ferry]

VSJW: you sure about that?

[sleek forge]

yeah

ofc

[reef ferry]

Whatever help you sleep at night

[sleek forge]

if you bring inf

then sjw is better

but for overall ywach>vsjw

[reef ferry]

Does Yhwach have 3 nukes?

4 if you count steel

[sleek forge]

no?

does vsjw have full aoe

with

150 range

[reef ferry]

Is he full status immunity all the time??

[sleek forge]

yes

[reef ferry]

And how many units slots do you have to use

[reef ferry]

No he’s affected by status debuff

[sleek forge]

3?

i mean

hold on

[reef ferry]

3 including yhwach or

[sleek forge]

nah my birb just make ywach get to that range

without make entire team to focus on him

[reef ferry]

3 slots for him to perform on VSJW level

[sleek forge]

you dont even need that much slot

ywach just uh

dont go well with monarch team

[sleek forge]

welp whatever i mean they kinda equal

one for burst dmg

one for reliable mob clear

[reef ferry]

He’s good for that

But don’t know if he’s better than Baiken when it come to crowd control

[sleek forge]

he just pure dmg dealer

baiken is the best option for crowd control

[reef ferry]

Now that we can agree

[sleek forge]

she just so damn good on stalling

i think with a cracked range bird

and markman

she can stall enimes forever

[reef ferry]

Especially on maps with loops

[sleek forge]

fr

[sleek forge]

yk the problem of her?

[reef ferry]

She can only do get over here once per enemy

[sleek forge]

nah

she will destroy everyone pc upon using that

[narrow belfry]

still up there on optimal because she is still busted w monarch

but ye non monarch elphelt is cooked

[sinful tendon]

Soul King 👑

[split timber]

we got what we wanted for once

[sinful tendon]

yamamoto on a resurgence in the meta wtf

Hes always been lowkey kinda nuts if you have the right familiar

[split timber]

kinda glaze tbh

but hes solid

[sinful tendon]

shit in inf but goated on progressives

[split timber]

hes a noob stomper

he's good in easy modes

[sinful tendon]

and hes goated for dungeons if they ever make another dungeon mode

[split timber]

but the second you place other units down

hes gone

[sinful tendon]

he can basically summon his whole hp in summons though if you got monarch and the bodobi +2

120%

[split timber]

judar is a bit too high imo considering his dps is only really super high in inf and rn he doesnt build bar at all if used with byeken

[split timber]

he needs to be getting kills

[sinful tendon]

90% of the kids with judar monarch dont even have good bleed or good burn monarchs

[split timber]

hes good if hes the only unit placed down

which wont work for super hard stages

[sinful tendon]

yeah he will be useful if they add another dungeon map

cause hes so good on ant raid

[split timber]

i think gogeta and yama should be swapped and judar and sol should be swapped

thats mostly it

[sinful tendon]

why sol

[split timber]

big damage

immune to everything in form

not expensive to max

[sinful tendon]

his dps calc isnt as high as ppl say

[split timber]

its 110k

[sinful tendon]

his spa is capped to 6s in dragon install

[split timber]

im aware

[sinful tendon]

yeah 110k dps relies on resources

gogeta is lowkey kinda better

[split timber]

its 110k average

and i do think gogeta is better

the only real justification i got for gogeta placement was "early game is a bigger factor"

so just view the tierlist with that thought

[sinful tendon]

the fact you need black spirit on sol kills him

[split timber]

you need black spirit on a lot of these units lol

[sinful tendon]

he cant buff his peak damage with a birb

[split timber]

2 of the first 5 needs blackspirit

vergil does too

[sinful tendon]

vergil actually does more with a rlly good birb

he only does like 20% more dmg if you have a 100% or over black spirit

[split timber]

yea still not worth it

he does 5% more, theoretically

blackspirit still has more uptime on the full aoe

[sinful tendon]

his follow ups are not in full aoe though thats his main dps

[split timber]

yeah but they're single target

i'd rather have my full aoe active at basically all times

than do 3% more dps with a very broken birb

lol

[sinful tendon]

still one of the highest dps in the game targetting high hp enemies

thats what i use him for if I want a full aoe dps ill bring yhwach

[split timber]

very different things

[sinful tendon]

i mean i still use black spirit cause I literally cant be bothered grinding cid but

[leaden zenith]

NotSoGoodGuy also outdpses Vergil

[split timber]

sacrificing full aoe uptime for 4% dps

doesn't exactly seem good to me

[split timber]

eh

[sinful tendon]

Normal vergil yes

his follow ups no

[split timber]

his follow ups are a 2 mm circle

lets not use those as his primary dps

[sinful tendon]

it doesnt matter what they are

hes a boss killer

[split timber]

it DEFINITELY matters what they are

[sinful tendon]

he has literally been a boss killer

since 5.5

he would be way too busted if he had full aoe follow ups

[split timber]

what does that prove

[sinful tendon]

that he has the highest dps in the game targetting single enemies

[leaden zenith]

I was talking about his follow ups, vergils dps was calculated at 131k, NotSoGoodGuy's dpses is calculated at 159k or smt around that

[sinful tendon]

same with aizen

[split timber]

not really

[sinful tendon]

159k is false

[split timber]

its 136k in form or smth

[split timber]

yeah

to everything else he does 43k

[sinful tendon]

he does 614k with dot and shit included

thats 102k dps

[split timber]

i'd rather ensure that he's constantly doing that 43k to everything atleast

[sinful tendon]

110k or so someone else said

[split timber]

varied from 106-110k in my tests

[sinful tendon]

Im not saying black spirit is shit lol

the difference comes down to use case

if you want someone to shred a boss you bring a birb on him

if you wanna use him as a full aoe crowd control you bring black spirit

[split timber]

dont think you're gonna bring him to inf lb now, will have to ask what wl is looking like

[sinful tendon]

everyone has both anyways

nah

wasnt inf lb always vsjw, monarch cid, choy

idk who else they bring

[split timber]

wasnt choy last season

[sinful tendon]

baiken now definitely

[split timber]

couldn't be

game would die

[sinful tendon]

choy is like the most important inf dps

[split timber]

doesnt matter if he crashes the game lol

[sinful tendon]

cause of his nuke

[split timber]

cause of inf already lagging like shit at higher waves

swaps make it laggier but cid is a must

[sinful tendon]

thats why u need players with a good pc

to last the longest

[split timber]

its not even a pc issue lol the server straight up died

[sinful tendon]

but yeah 3x deadeye choy 1x monarch choy

is usually used

[split timber]

ping went to 10000

wasnt used last patch

might be this patch

depending on what kaguya does

[sinful tendon]

do u run lbs on inf im just going off of what I thought I knew

i would have assumed judar would be good for inf lb

[split timber]

i was supposed to

just didn't

[sinful tendon]

and that intense burn would scale with judar

[split timber]

not in his current state

he doesn't build up bar at all if he attacks tethered enemies

[sinful tendon]

is that intentional or a bug

[split timber]

wouldn't know

[sinful tendon]

seems like a bug but i think if judar is used choy might be worth trying

[split timber]

if kaguya isn't way better, yes

choy is already awkward to use because of how you need to place him

[sinful tendon]

idk what kaguya even does in the anime will she be a dot unit or

idfk anything about no naruto

[split timber]

if gogeta had a slightly better aoe he'd be used instead of choy

[split timber]

well her main ability is

swapping dimensions?

kinda?

[sinful tendon]

hmm

[split timber]

why run lbs at all before kaguya anyway

[sinful tendon]

i mean i didnt even know

she existed

[sinful tendon]

not everyone is going to get her in 6.5 though

it may take a while

[split timber]

if she's meta

[sinful tendon]

yeah people will get lucky or just grind their ass off but

[split timber]

then people who don't get her wont be able to run

[sinful tendon]

luck is still a real thing u can get super unlucky

thats just the way the game is tho

[split timber]

t12 requires luck

what's new

[sinful tendon]

its portals though so

half the game will be afking them

[barren escarp]

67.5k, fully reliant on debuffing his team/how many placements are on his team just to get his own full potential

vsjw doesn't need rares taking up other slots just to buff him

yes yhwach is full aoe with massive range and damage but still situational

[dire egret]

he'll be better for harder content

[ancient nymph]

Summon cap doesnt matter or wht?

Best inf summon prob vsjw and boo icl

Lfelt idk

[limpid helm]

everyone saying she is balanced got monarch on her in like 5 rrs

[unreal sapphire]

already got nerfed twice

[split timber]

this was made before tbh

[brisk hill]

i agree bcs i dont have her and will prob never get her with my luck so

if i cant be happy no one can

[limber spruce]

but thats how losers think

[barren escarp]

-says the guy with monarch lfelt

[limber spruce]

you see lfelt on release and think ....
a) i want to get her monarch
b) wow im too lazy to grind the game so i have no hopes of getting her monarch. i think i will ask for her to get gutted so i feel less bad about my laziness of not trying to get her monarch

which one are you

[barren escarp]

3rd option

i randomly got her

while doing story

and forgot to evolve her

[limber spruce]

which leads to .... ?

[barren escarp]

?

[limber spruce]

sounds like you're too lazy to grind for rrs to get her monarch?

[barren escarp]

no bro i just told you

i didn't even care to evolve her

let alone get monarch

[limber spruce]

because she got nerfed and you dont see a reason to

[barren escarp]

no

i got her on release

on accident

[glad panther]

💀
-# My shiny Lfelt is NEVER getting evolved lol

[short bluff]

i got monarch on her and she got nerfed to hell like the devs knew it and wanted to upset me

[ivory tartan]

didn't the nerf only change her ability? or am i missing something

monarch is still goated for her and she's still really strong

congrats too

[short bluff]

thats the point

[short bluff]

the abilitx was so freaking broken

[naive parcel]

well also her follow up passive got a 5 second cd
so no more spamming ability and never losing meter

[ivory tartan]

ohhh

[ivory tartan]

true but the nerf doesnt make her unviable or smt right?
and her dps is still absolutely crazy

and monarch just makes it better

but the passive cd might change the dps ig

[short bluff]

she has more dmg output with shotgun loop then vsjw

she is pure dmg

OBLY

ONLY

[unreal sapphire]

gminey

[short bluff]

monarch and a black spirit like mine with 120%

[unreal sapphire]

is she still worth to monarch

[short bluff]

lfelt?

[naive parcel]

yea

still 3rd on optimal tl

[unreal sapphire]

k thanks

[short bluff]

3rd??

whats the other too

[naive parcel]

yhawch and vsjw

[short bluff]

oh yea
i forgor

[sinful tendon]

if yall dont like elphelt then just save ur damn rrs

Kaguya boutta be some ass though

im manifesting that

[thin nova]

going to surpass vsjw and yhwach

just watch

[sinful tendon]

is she even powerful in naruto gang

she looks like shes just gonna have an op ability

[thin nova]

Stronger than Madara

[smoky zealot]

She is stronger than six paths madara so yeah not stronger than yhwach tho

[sinful tendon]

does she have potential to be DOT

if so could be extremely meta with the new judar unit

[thin nova]

she most likely has repulse burn and freeze

[sinful tendon]

ig we will see if she ends up being another gogeta/diavolo type vanguard or not

[ivory tartan]

isnt that crazy dps 🙏

[sharp mural]

yeah she was nerfed just enough to just make you save rrs for the new vangusrd

[ivory tartan]

isnt high dps a solid tradeoff for losing support capabilities
like choi

[ivory tartan]

LMAO

[half onyx]

Bro she was absolutely butchered, literally went from 240k dps to 99k dps, and y'all STILL complaining?? And that's with monarch, without monarch she's literally worse than the new mythics

And that dps comes in bursts, because you need to cycle her ability to get it. Meaning she's normally doing a lot less than that 😭

[sharp mural]

how does she regen tension

[half onyx]

Attacking?

Tf?

5% per attack normally

Delete ts suggestion or you'll give these idiot devs a new idea

[sinful tendon]

100k dps?

💔

[sinful tendon]

Where can i see the math for this cause it sounds worse than i thought

[little helm]

there

[half onyx]

Saw it in a yt video, trustworthy source but I don’t have the link or channel

[half onyx]

Yeah that’s the docs

[sinful tendon]

Appreciate it

[pulsar frost]

"nerfed to hell" her dps is still literally the highest in game im pretty sure

especially with how cheap she is compared to someone like gogeta

[half onyx]

Not even close to highest

It is only “highest in the game” for like 5 seconds IF you use esdeath’s ability. She’s unobtainable…

[buoyant sorrel]

660k dps huh (990k with easdeath)?
getting nerfed

[pulsar frost]

@half onyx read

[pulsar frost]

gogeta literally does like 150k at max upgrade with a good birb, what are u even on about 🙏

esdeaths ability just increases it a lot more, it doesnt mean shes ass without it

[half onyx]

It’s 660k with esdeath and lasts 5 seconds bro if there is another nerf half the player base is quitting

[half onyx]

What are you trying to say?

[pulsar frost]

half the playerbase doesnt even have lfelt, forget monarch

[pulsar frost]

🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[half onyx]

Trust

[half onyx]

?

[buoyant sorrel]

6m6 nuke gng

[pulsar frost]

did u even read the same image from which u got 660k

[half onyx]

Bro not everyone has esdeath

[half onyx]

I did

[buoyant sorrel]

true
i dont too
only shiny easdeath

[half onyx]

Can you just clearly state your point?

[half onyx]

😭 😭 😭

[half onyx]

Are you really ignoring the “lasts 6-7 attacks”?

[pulsar frost]

are u really ignoring the

if AUTO?

[half onyx]

………..

[pulsar frost]

..........

[fresh jolt]

She needs to be buffed

[half onyx]

She does 99k dps with monarch no auto

[half onyx]

I wouldn’t say that, but if it happens you would not catch me complaining

[fresh jolt]

240k dps too low

[pulsar frost]

wow so less am i right

[half onyx]

Quite a few units do more than that

[fresh jolt]

Vsjw regnaw ichgoat and yhwacahacwa can do more

Snd gogeta

[half onyx]

And without monarch she does alot less

[fresh jolt]

And*

[half onyx]

Sol does 180k

(Notgoodguy)

[pulsar frost]

only during dragon install

[half onyx]

Vergil and dante both do more too

[pulsar frost]

u need a freeze with vergil

[half onyx]

With a good black spirit you can spam it

I have him monarch

[pulsar frost]

that isn't called spam

[half onyx]

And you need to cycle elfelts ability 🤦🏻‍♂️

[pulsar frost]

he doesn't even gain meter during dragon install

[half onyx]

You won’t get it

Alot of people would consider having to micro manage a unit more tedious than bringing a freeze, which mostly you would bring anyways

[pulsar frost]

how about u get straight to the point

[half onyx]

The point is

[pulsar frost]

u don't understand

it's not about it being tedious

ur using 2 slots for one

and 1 slot for the other

it's just that simple

[half onyx]

Elfelt is not the “wow she’s sooo broken please nerf her” type unit you think she is

[pulsar frost]

she used to be

u see me asking for a nerf rn?

I dont

[half onyx]

Then what are we doing?

[little helm]

no it 660k with esdeath😭

[buoyant sorrel]

peak

[half onyx]

Guess we’re done here

[half onyx]

Bro if I see another nerf because of you 🤬🤬🤬

[pulsar frost]

FYI this post was created before the nerfs

[half onyx]

Cool

[sinful tendon]

99k dps is beaten easy

especially if its peak and not average

vergil gogeta aizen yhwach sol badguy all victimise

maybe even dante

[green palm]

99k is not peak that’s the average

[sinful tendon]

so pretty much top 3 against multiple enemies top 5 against single enemies like bosses

still a good dps

perfectly balanced

[green palm]

Her main thing is nuking now, which she does exceptionally

[barren escarp]

Vergil's follow up is a small circle that attacks one enemy

Not even grateful for 99k dps holy this player base is cooked

[half onyx]

I’m talking strictly about dps

[half onyx]

Honestly it pmo that you need esdeath to nuke with her, coz I don’t have her

[barren escarp]

vergil's dps come's from his follow ups

if it's centered towards one enemy it's not the best dps

[half onyx]

I know, but I’m not talking about aoe, just single enemy dps

[barren escarp]

maybe a boss killer

[half onyx]

Well yeah

[barren escarp]

other characters are not single enemy dps

idk how to tell you this

[jaunty depot]

yall should check my suggestion for balancing l felt ability ong

[pulsar frost]

exactly bro

pre nerf i thought i was playing als for a second

[half onyx]

I get it

It’s like adps in als

[half onyx]

Making her a monarch merchant pmo sm 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[pulsar frost]

fr

honestly game needs more units who monarch isnt the best trait on

i think ragna is basically the only dps like that

and hes sub meta now

[half onyx]

Yeah

[half onyx]

Imagine nerfing rr farming and only releasing units who want monarch

[pulsar frost]

lol

i mean i get they want more people to buy rrs but im ngl the prices kinda crazy considering u need to spend 1k on average for monarch 😬

[half onyx]

F2P 😭

I mean there’s a lot of ways to get rerolls and it’s waaay better than AA for example but still pmo